DISQUS

Jack and Jill Politics: “Country First”? Hardly, John McCain

  • whiterosebuddy · 1 year ago
    McCain definitely thumbed his nose at the nation with his pick of Palin. That is consistent with his frat boy temperment. McCain is laughing about his pick and the complete and utter disregard for the office of VP as the 'backup' to the President. How many times is it repeated that the only criteria for a VP is whether they can step in and assume the office of President duties?

    McCain has been thumbing his nose at authorities, rules, regulations and respect for tradition since he was at the naval academy. At the academy he holds the record for braking the most regulations ever. He is still rebelling against authority. We saw this same behavior in Dubya when he picked Condi Rice for his National Security advisor, she was out of her league. Dubya also had the incompetent 'nice job Brownie' running FEMA if you recall, and who could forget his appointing Harriet Miers to the Supreme court. Both McCain and Bush are children who never had to earn individual achievement or merit nor meet the rigorous standards to get plum assignments, so they have no regard for those standards. They laugh at them.

    Has anyone forgotten how Jenna's old boyfriend was admitted to Harvard's MBA program because Bush recommended him and the boy only had community college credentials, not even a 4 year bachelors!!!

    I hope America sees this pick for what it is. We are seeing just how McCain lacks the judgment to lead and will not have any more regard for the Constitution or the institution of the Presidency than Bush did.

    To them this is just a toy that they get to play with and they laugh all the time knowing how incompetent they are for the job and that others more deserving with far better credentials lost out to them.

    It is sickening and frightening.
  • bigassbelle · 1 year ago
    You said it far better than I. This pick says far more ~ and none of it good ~ about McCain than it does about Palin. And it is frightening. What a scary, dangerous, reckless fool. God help us.
  • heartsandflowers · 1 year ago
    You know we can all analyze Palin's record, ethics, and electability to the cows come home. WE are not her target demographic. But she looks attractive to a lot of people: some PUMAs, evangelicals, pro-lifers. People who may not have been voting for Obama and may have stayed home now have someone to vote for. McCain may be LAME but he certainly knows how to play the GAME. He is not giving up without a fight. Besides a lot of people do NOT think! Nor do they think logically or critically. I know a Black woman in her 50's who is voting for McCain due to her stance against abortion. Look at all the people who voted for Bush....many now have no job or home. But they'd probably do it again. I also spoke with a Latino couple while in Denver who claimed to be Democrats but are just not sold on Obama. And the wife said she didn't like Michelle to boot! They had no real policy issue it was all surface. I could've just dismissed them as prejudiced but we spoke for a bit. They say they're voting for McCain despite Hillary's 'support' of Obama. Just like with his choice of Biden was to shore up targeted voters, Obama will need to address this. And everyone else needs to see it from a different perspective and not attempt to diminish its significance to them. People vote against their interests all of the time. Now is not the time to assume reason will prevail. There's a LOT of work that has to be done.
  • jdickenslaw · 1 year ago
    You make an excellent point that people vote against their interests all of the time. But people who vote against their own interest do so, because they would rather Obama lose than benefit from his Presidency. I understand them, because had Hillary stolen the nomination, I would have voted for McCain. The only way to appeal to them is to make them hate McCain more than Obama, and that's not the kind of campaign Obama is going to run. Let them go. Remember, the key to our victory is not with the same electorate, but on registering millions of new voters who vote for Obama. That's the strategy, and I think its working pretty good so far.

    My family went out on the primary election day in downtown to try to encourage people to go vote. The polling place was in walking distrance of their homes, and most people refused to go and vote. Thery were walking around with alcohol and cigaretts in their hand, living in dilapidated housing, and most of them had no jobs, and they still refused to vote. Interestingly enough, these are the very people everyone is concerned about helping!! If they hate Obama that bad, there is nothing he or we can do to change their minds. Let them vote for McCain, and if he wins, let them suffer.
  • KSinMA · 1 year ago
    You're right, Palin is a lightweight. Smart move by McSame in terms of window dressing, but irresponsible in terms of qualifications to lead the country. I'm betting she can learn her lines well enough to pretend she's well-informed on the issues, and that will be enough to fool some people-- most likely the same people who were fooled by W. But, from what's known about her positions, especially pro-illegal abortion and creationism, I have to think she will only appeal to people who would have voted for McSame to begin with.
  • whiterosebuddy · 1 year ago
    We need to have some respect for Palin. This is a woman who has great people skills because she was a little pageant queen. That venue teaches women how to be charming, vivacious and energetic. All things which make a great first impression. Palin, has the expertise to put folks at ease quickly, some might call that disarming charm. It is a staple of the pageant contestants.

    Palin also is a PTA person ..that means she knows how to speak simply and we all know that the evangelical group is not comprised predominately of the sharpest knives in the drawer type intellect. Neither is mainstream America for that matter given they are used to sound bites. Between her pageant skills and 'simple truth' stating skills this woman may be a huge hit. She is obviously a political animal given again her being on the pageant circuit, which is very subjective and 99.9% political in terms of who wins.

    I pray that she will not make Biden look professorial or like Lloyd Bentsen in the debates. Bentsen definitely had the gravitas but alas, that was a losing ticket for the Dems. So was the McCluskie candidacy. In short, Dems track record of having the heavy experience in the VP slot has lost more times than the GOP having the lightweight in the VP spot...i.e. Agnew and Quayle both were elected VP.

    I think that Palin will galvanize the evangelical base and she could pick up other votes just on the basis of her being a 'working mom' with a downs syndrome baby along with her only other son being shipped off to Iraq at 19.

    This race has gotten a lot trickier.

    I think Obama has the skills to out charm this 'mom turned VP pro-lifer'
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    whiterosebuddy: And there's not that much difference between the "political wave" and the "pageant wave". So that skill could be picked up rather quickly!!! :>) :>)

    I'm just sayin' . . . . .

    GOOD POST!!!!! :>) :>)
  • whiterosebuddy · 1 year ago
    lol lol...yes it is a cryin shame, ain't it?

    We can't help but see the humor in it...but still...you can never underestimate your foe...
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    whiterosebuddy: One eye on the HUMOR. :>) :>) The other on the ISSUE!!!:>) :>)

    That's the way I roll!! :>) :>) :>)
  • buckeye yonsei · 1 year ago
    Thank you, this post is so on point! You're right, we have to focus on McCain - it's such a cynical choice, too - assuming that PUMA types (however many there really are, and whether or not they ever would've voted for a Democrat if it hadn't been for Hillary) won't scratch below the surface to see beyond Palin's sex. I hope they're smarter than he gives them credit for.

    And we have to avoid this trap he's laying, that if we come after Palin, they'll haul out the tired old trope of "Obama attacks White woman" etc. ad nauseum. Let's stay on track!
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    buckeye yonsei: WELL SAID!!!! Co-signing on all points!! :>) :>)
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    Anovelista:. . hardly a slam dunk. . . "

    More like an "AIR BALL"!! :>) :>) :>)

    Good/thorough post!!! :>) :>) Thank you! :>)
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    Country first? Really, how about family first. where is the McCain's adoptive daughter? She is not in the picture with the McCains and the Palins. I guess she didn't past the "look" test to make it in the picture.

    And, on another note, the Republicans wanna brag about her keeping a baby with downs syndrome, I bet she has health insurance and a family income that will support the medical expenses they face.
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    msmartin: Your point about his adoptive daughter: Ill bet he would get "ULTRA-PRICKLY" if a reporter asked about this. Sooo, I'm going to try to see if I can contact some reporter on the cable stations ta do this. :>) :>)
  • whiterosebuddy · 1 year ago
    Please DO!! It is a shame how that child has been kept hidden from the public. We all know why.

    But someone needs to ask that Toni from Family Research Council why there are no photos of all the McCain children especially both of their daughters.
    Only Meghan was standing up there to day with her new Palin 'sisters'
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Are you talking about the picture with the Palins and McCain's? You're right, it's weird they would exclude her from a family photo...she's only 16. They took her to church, but she can't be in the family picture that's going down in history? What kind of mother would agree to exclude her daughter from a family photo?

    The pundits are not asking about this. I don't know if we can send in questions for the debate....if so, I'm going to send that in.
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    Yes, I'm talking about the Palin and McCain family photo that features ALL the Palin children, even the baby with downs syndrome, and John, Cindy and Megan McCain, but someone is missing from the McCain family - Bridget.

    It's a really white picture and McCain looks like he may be the grandfather of the group.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Yes!.....I saw it and thought...nobody looks happy in that picture!
  • Lilytiger · 1 year ago
    What kind of mother? The same kind of sister.

    Cindy has a history of erasing family members.
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    Nor are they asking McCain if his 2nd marriage has been totally monogamous.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    Sarah Palin is a distraction. The less we talk about her the better.

    That said, you are on point.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Heeeey Craig!!!!

    You're back and haven't missed a beat! You're right about that. Carville and Begala jumped out the gate today and started mocking Palin and Alaska. The Repubs hit back back by putting Obama on her level. By the end of the evening Carville and Begala had learned, and Begala especially, was coming up with better points against her.

    He said that the McCain's wouldn't write a will and put their child in the care of someone they'd met only once; yet, McCain was putting America in the hands of someone he'd met only once. .....It was a good retort. It broached the subject without personally insulting her.

    Palin is beside the point...she's a woman who got an offer she couldn't refuse.

    She hit the McBush lottery.

    If they start verbally opposing her...all they'll talk about for the next 8 weeks is the budget of that small town that she left in shambles, and stuff about her firing somebody. What they won't be talking about is the ECONOMY!

    Palin is red meat for the media. They're scrambling for gossip about her and by the time their curiousity is fed, it'll be too late to talk about substantive issues. I hope the debate moderators keep it to the issues.

    Palin is the response to the scathing criticism of the Convention. McCain is taking cover....behind another woman.
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    "McCain is taking cover....behind another woman." Quote of the week!
  • Anovelista · 1 year ago
    I see your point Craig, but I think it's important for people to be informed about Palin and her positions so they know what they're talking about. The info should be out there but the political hammering should stay on McCain and his "judgment".
  • Town · 1 year ago
    The thing is this:

    ANYONE with a Y chromosome CANNOT attack Sarah Palin. Period. That's why the GOP is jumping for joy.

    You can't attack her on anything because anything you say about her WILL be turned around on Obama.

    NOBODY with a XY chromosome from the Obama camp should attack her. None of the XY surrogates should attack her. That's what the GOP wants, they want the Obama camp to attack her.

    DON'T.

    The only people who can attack her are people with XX chromosomes. Ignore her like we ignore Alaska 99% of the time and keep the attacks on McCAIN.

    Attack McCAIN's judgement. Attack McCain's temperament. Attack McCain's motives.

    DO NOT ATTACK Sarah Palin. She will just put on the White Woman's Tears and then everyone will feel sorry for her (like Hillary in NH). I mean no harm to any white women reading this blog, but it's just common knowledge that when a white woman feels attacked, all she has to do is put on the tears and the sad face and people will back off.
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    Town: Why don't you just TELL THE TRUTH!! :>) :>)
    ". . . common knowledge . . . YES!!! [with NO disrespect - just truth]! :>)

    Again, thanks for articulating the FOCUS ["McAncient's" judgment (or lack thereof), temperament (despite the meds) and motives (albeit EVIL) ] :>) :>)
  • kenyaw · 1 year ago
    Town,
    That was the entire point of the nomination, to get Biden or someone close enough to Sen Obama to say something remotely condensending about that nice white woman. If and when it happens, you will habe white woman and some silly black women out protesting.
    The cable news will twist the comment just like they did Wes Clark and typical white person-gate.
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    I agree. Palin isn't the major problem, McCain is. The mere fact that he would pick a vice president based on her sex and the medical condition of her new born baby as a tool to pick up the Hillary Clinton voters is a strike against judgment, but also his character. He no more knows this woman than he knows me and I suspect that will backfire on him.
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    Also, I can't wait to see how Cindy responds to all this kissing up to Palin.
  • whiterosebuddy · 1 year ago
    Cindy has too much cash to care.
    All the houses are in HER name, too!!
    McCain is a kept man. He is living off the hard earned income of another man, cause he married the daughter.
    For all we know Cindy wanted Palin cause she is tired of old wrinkled McCain pawing her.
    Cindy and Palin probably have loads to chat about given they are both pageant people.

    We need to demand family photos from this social conservative crowd.

    If Palin can carry her infant son around then surely we can see the other McCain daughter on stage too!!
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    I bet she cares. Palin is getting the attention that she has yearned for all these years. Remember the addiction was in part supposedly due to the amount of time he spent away and she had to raise the "children" who now appears to be a child (Megan) on her own.

    Also Cindy is aging and Palin (who makes her look even older) is a fresh new paegant type that her husband is fawning all over.

    You must not know women. Especially entitled women.
  • JJai · 1 year ago
    cosign! Especially women who tied their beauty queen and man strealing success to their looks.
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    msmartin: Not to worry!! They BOTH belong to the "PCS - Pageant Contestant Sisterhood!" :>) :>)

    Once a contestant - always a contestant!! :>)

    They have a "secret wave" 2. The "pageant wave"! :>)

    Whew! LAWD HA'Mercy Deep Breaths!!!


    On a serious note: Cindy has a MA in Special Education from USC[Univ. Southern CA]
  • Anovelista · 1 year ago
    a strike against judgment, but also his character.

    YES.
  • jelana · 1 year ago
    It is also a strike against her judgment as well. She should have turned the nomination down. Even she KNOWS she is not qualified to run this country!
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    Anovelista: ". . . political hammering should stay on McCain and his "judgment" . . .

    What could these 2 possibly talk about at a "HIGH" political level???

    There's NOT enough gray matter between the both of them to make a whole brain!! He forgets; she never knew!

    THE COUNTRY SUFFERS!!!!

    And I'm NOT seeing where REpug leaders are willing to advise!!

    PITIFUL!!! Deep Breaths!!! :>)
  • Anovelista · 1 year ago
    That's what I keep asking! Where is Bridget? She wasn't in school during the summer and she's 16 or 17. They use her all the time (her nationality, they don't even say her name)

    Megan McCain has a blog chock full of pictures from the McCains on the trail and behind the scenes. No Bridget

    http://mccainblogette.com/index.shtml
  • Anovelista · 1 year ago
    I wonder if McCain's got a Guiliani situation on his hands with her. Remember, his kids hated him and his daughter was for Obama!

    Check out Megan's website. Is she an "only child" like her mother even though she has siblings?

    http://mccainblogette.com/index.shtml
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    I don't know how we always think the same things at the same time....Bridget is conspicuously absent from most family photos. They have her in the closet. I think she is 18 now. I finally found a photo of her, but none with her so-called family members. It's sad and ugly, but not surprising. I went to Megan McCain's site and it made me want to hurl. It was just as plastic as they portray themselves to be. I don't see how you all can look at that crap.

    Where are the 527's when you need them the most? Like O said, its not about him, its about us. To me, it is a disservice to not expose the truth.

    See pictures here. http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=1636
  • RST · 1 year ago
    McCain had Bridget on the road with him when he ran for President in 2000. The press was horrid to her. They made up stories about her being McCain's illegitimate child. They described her as 'ugly' in the press. He said he wouldn't do that to her again.

    She's 16 now and she is in school. She has spent most of her time in Arizona in school and joining the family when they are there or when she has a break to be on the road.

    The McCains have other children who aren't in all the pictures out of their choice. Meghan is the oldest and it was her choice to participate in the campaign. The others chose not to.

    I admire the McCains for not letting the media degrade their daughter again the way they did when she was just a pre-teen in 2000.

    Maybe you should try to get some facts before you condemn someone. Maybe they actually have the best interest of their daughter in heart rather than using her as a prop.
  • JunePearl · 1 year ago
    It was not the press...according to McCain's own campaign aides, it was the Bush 2000 campaign. That's the bad thing about the "Kitchen Sink" strategy, people remember it, it's easy to trace.

    I know it is easy to blame everyone else for problems that come up, but like our future president has stated "It won't work this time". People are too upset, too informed, and far too aware for the trademark "twisting of the truth" to work again.
  • Town · 1 year ago
    Maybe McCain shouldn't have degraded Bill and Hillary's daughter and called her ugly. Karma comes back around, ya know?
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    Being on the campaign trail is far different from posing for a family picture. BULLSHIT!
  • MotorCityBadBoy · 1 year ago
    McCain and Palin new Photo. This is Great!
    http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/MontcoPA...
  • Lilytiger · 1 year ago
    Classic! We need this to go viral people.
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    MCBB: LOL X10! :>) :>) :>)
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    Amen.

    I'm home safely.

    The Greatest Show on Earth
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    craig: Saw the pic!!!! Inspiring!!! Thank you very much!!! :>) :>)
  • Lilytiger · 1 year ago
    Blogger hates my computer or I would leave a message at your site.

    I feel as if I knew someone there. I am so pleased you were there and I know it will reside in a special part of your soul. Thanks for representing us.
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    Glad you're back!
  • Anovelista · 1 year ago
    Also on Palin's "experience" over Obama. An interesting scenario from Andrew Sullivan answering one of his readers:

    A reader writes:

    I don't see how you can rationally say that picking Palin is unserious but picking Obama is serious. Neither one has a ton of experience. But Palin’s experience is mostly executive, and Obama’s experience is all legislative. That cuts in her favor. Moreover, Palin is running for the #2 slot and Obama is running for the #1 slot. That is fundamental.


    Sullivan: It occurs to me that some on the right actually think that Obama is as inexperienced and as trivial a figure as Palin. So ask yourself: could Sarah Palin have run a national election campaign against, say, a machine as powerful as the Bush family, and won? Does she have the skill set to construct a campaign that would actually have brought her to the nomination herself? I find the comparison with Obama ludicrous. But it will be made. Palin looks to me like a lovely person and a good local politician, with some inevitable rough spots. I'd be delighted if she took a leadership role in the GOP in the future. But in the same league as Obama? Do Republicans really think that little of him?

    I guess they do. We are looking at a different person.

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    rikyrah: GREAT THREAD!!!! Thank you!!!! :>)
  • Anovelista · 1 year ago
    As usual Craig, you are correct. I think it's another Harriet Miers moment too. The innernets already have a nickname for Palin - Harriet Quayle. Haha

    As many have pointed out, his choice was about politics not governing. Most Republicans who don't have their fingers shoved in their ears shouting "lalalala!" know that.
  • Town · 1 year ago
    She seems more like Sarah Hasselbeck, just a'chirping away Repub talking points. Let's not let this lady become Danielle Quayle.
  • bigassbelle · 1 year ago
    I've been with my father all day and only got home a while ago to see what was up with this veep pick.

    I just have to say that I am astounded. I am stunned by his lack of judgment, by his impulsiveness, by the very idea that the republicans would consider this woman ready to be second to a 72 year old man whose health is kind of dicey.

    I'm not a big national security freak, because I think we're far more likely to destroy ourselves from the inside out. But this woman scares the shit out of me. To imagine her in the White House ~ as ill informed, uneducated and ignorant as she appears to be thus far ~ is frightening.

    I can only hope that those clear thinking rethugs who are all about our being the biggest bully on the block will shrink at the thought of this woman with her finger anywhere near the red button. Or phone. Whatever the hell it was in those cold war years.

    And on another note, the very idea that this woman would be the one who might become our first president? As a woman who has long wished for a woman in the White House, I find it insulting and demeaning. Wouldn't that just be the thing? Elect the first woman to the White House and she turns out to be some ill informed silly ninny from the hinterlands. Great.
  • bigassbelle · 1 year ago
    On the other hand, the neocon hawks who brought us Iraq are probably popping chubbies at the idea of an easily manipulated newbie at the helm. Kind of a repeat of that jackass from Texas.
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    Well, it's possible she may have been promoted by the Oil interests. It's all about the oil. She would sell out ANWR in a NY minute and you know they are crouching at the door waiting for the slighest crack. Her husband is in the oil industry and she has been on some national oil committee.

    I agree with what Hearts & flowers said above. There are people who will claim to be unenthused about it but will vote for McCain anyway because of his alleged experience. The media promotes McCain in a favorable light 24/7. They have the media in their pocket and they have started the meme that any criticism of Palin is the sexism that is typical of the Obama campaign. I've heard it 4 times and she hasn't even been the pick for 24 hours. O has got to deploy the female surrogates as soon as possible. They are dog whistling the disaffected female demoghaphic. This is truly war.
  • Town · 1 year ago
    The Sara Palin choice is an insult to women, and Americans in general.

    This is a "beauty queen" pick. If Sarah Pain had the exact same views but looked like Barbara Bush she would not have been chosen.

    And then for the McCain camp (and Palin) to say "hey vote for her, she's a woman, she's a MOM, she's JUST. LIKE. YOU." insult the intelligence of the average woman.

    I'm interested to see the pro-Hillary crowd now and see what they do. They claimed Obama BET.NOT. choose another woman to be his VP because "women weren't interchangeable." Are they going to vote McCain/Palin jus cuz she's a woman and they want to see a woman up there that badly?

    ANYONE who cosigns Pat "A Brief for Whitey" Buchanan is on my automatic X list.

    McCain chooses somebody he's only met twice, apparently never seriously vetting her, all so he can create some buzz about his dying campaign?

    And this foolio claims "Country First?" Maybe that should be "Cuntry First?"

    The spinning heads are all on TV chattering about "Palin has more executive experience than Obama." By that logic, she's more experienced than McCain as well, and nobody would argue that she's more experienced than McCain.

    They claim she has foreign policy experience because Alaska is next door to Russia.

    The chattering heads are all spinning about how questioning Palin = sexism. The "Challenging Hillary = Sexism" meme is just being transferred to Palin.


    If I were a Republican official, I'd be PISSED that McCain is playing games with a beauty queen and bypassing plenty of qualified, competent officials in favor of this person.

    This is going to be Mondale / Ferraro 2008, just on the Republican side. McCain just signed his ticket.

    But lastly, this choice is an insult to Sarah Palin, because McCain regards her as a pretty placeholder, NOT as a competent official ready to take over at a moment's notice.

    McCain is playing games, but he has the nerve to claim Obama will do anything to win an election? Bitch, please.
  • Anovelista · 1 year ago
    Rikyrah, did you see this?

    I hate to keep linking Sullivan but this is another good one on McPain

    Putting. Country. Last. http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    I saw that. I think I'm going to collect stuff from around the net and put it in a McPain post.
  • Jibreel Riley · 1 year ago
    This pick wasnt about Hillary... it was about the Republican Party. You have to be one of us to get it!
  • JunePearl · 1 year ago
    After reading the NYT article I think I get it a little more. Especially what you are saying about bolstering your party. The conservative base, in particular the religious conservative base, of the party was not gung-ho on McCain. In choosing Palin, McCain was trying to assuage their fears.

    Here's why I think it was an incredulous choice:

    As close as the election is going to be it is the Independents and the non-committed that will be the sought after deal breakers. I do not see choosing Palin as reaching out to these people.

    It seems to only reach out to the people within your party...who, in the wider scheme of things, can be considered already committed to McCain in spite of their (previous) lack of enthusiasm for him.
  • TariqNelson · 1 year ago
    You have to give McCain credit for his brilliant timing on this. After Obama’s great speech, he took all of the spotlight off of Obama and put it back onto his campaign going into the Republican Convention. Had he picked Romney or Pawlenty it would have drawn yawns, but he picked a Tina Fey look a like and it brought a lot of buzz to his campaign. Even we are talking about him and not Obama's brilliant pseech

    Secondly, I read somewhere that the McCain strategy appears to be to play to “us” vs “them”. “US” = married couples with children, workers, home owners. “Them” = kooky leftists, singles, elites, homosexuals, other folks that are NOT us. I tend to agree with that. The problem is that the “us” is becoming a minority.

    The Palin choice sends a message that yes there are still (relatively) younger people that believe in having family and I will reward those people
  • andyfrombrooklyn · 1 year ago
    yeah he is a piece of shit alright!
  • Daniel · 1 year ago
    Remember the electoral college though. It's wonderful that as you say, "kooky leftists, singles (I am, I don't see how that makes me a 'them'), elites, homosexuals," are becoming more active or growing, but it doesn't matter as much if these groups are already in states that McCain has basically conceded on. If you have another million or some odd young people who are energized for Obama in California or Massachusetts (my State), you still only get so many electoral votes, and nothing else. It's not popular vote which people still seem to think it is for whatever strange reason. Barack still needs a lot of work in the rust belt and mid-West, because there, it's very much is still "US" vs. "Them" as you liked to put it, but "US" is still the majority in swing states.

    ~ One of "US" I guess.
  • RobM · 1 year ago
    We get it. a complete desire to destroy the country by deliberately employing ideologues in positions where competency is required(Harriet Miers, Brownie, Rumsfield).
  • parker404 · 1 year ago
    Don't forget Monica Goodling, the Pat Robertson law school-educated attorney hired to illegally fire U.S. Attorneys who were not conservative do-boys.
  • Sepia · 1 year ago
    Did ya'll see McCain checking out Palin's booty while she was giving her speech in Dayton yesterday?

    Viagra is the devil!
  • Miranda · 1 year ago
    Cindy's gonna be pi-issed!
  • Double Harvard Grad · 1 year ago
    You are an idiot. I thought this blog was for political discourse and not personal insults
  • Lamont · 1 year ago
    "What should or would we expect from a cocky fighter-pilot who missed target?"
  • pjamma · 1 year ago
    Could the Republican Party overturn his pick at the convention and nominate another VP?
  • Town · 1 year ago
    They could but they're not going to.

    The Sarah Palin pick shows that McCain campaign is on its' deathbed. Many of the VP shortlisters may be furious, but better to let Sarah Palin go down with the ship than them. This VP pick is a win/win for Palin regardless of if they win or not:

    She raises her exposure with her base (the extreme conservative right);

    She raises her exposure nationally;

    She makes history on the Republican side;

    If they win, she'd be the first female VP in US history.


    No matter what happens, Sarah Palin wins. If the Pubs intervene next week, it would be to throw both of them out, not just Palin. And they're not going to do that because that's sure disaster for them.

    The majority of the time, McCain is polling around 42%. The latest Gallup poll shows him back at 41% to Obama's 49%. The ONLY way McCain will win in Nov. is if people just can't pull that lever for a black guy. Hopefully the Sarah Palin pick will ENERGIZE Democratic voters to get their asses to the polls to prevent this joke of a presidential ticket from assuming office.
  • pjamma · 1 year ago
    I had a party today with some of my girlfriends and we started talking politics. Most were white suburban moms and they were happy that McCain picked a woman. Once it was explained what her politics were they all oh, hell no. Grated most of them were Obama Mamas to begin with but thought as women they should consider SP. I'm wondering how many more women out there won't pay attention to her politics and think they should go for the woman. This is going to be an interesting polling week.
  • Miranda · 1 year ago
    I can see why they are initially excited...they haven't heard her speak yet. As the weeks go by and the more they listen, they'll be like "WTF?!?!?"
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    pjamma: I'm going with - A FAIR NUMBER!! :>) :>)

    But, I'm waiting for the polls [somewhat]. They are questionable 2! :>)
  • Liberals Blow · 1 year ago
    Nothing I cant stand more than a flaming liberal!!!!!!!!!!! Hope you are the first to get bombed when Obama Bin Laden gets elected.
  • Karmi · 1 year ago
    Funny...very funny. She has more executive experience than Obama (does he have any?), and he's running for President! McCain's selection of Palin probably destroys Obama’s chances, for the next 12-16 years. Palin is change that we can actually believe in, and not change that amounts to all talk. She actually has a record of success, and not the failures or no record at all that Obama represents.
  • checkbookcc · 1 year ago
    Are you kidding me. Please don't play on my intelligence. Palin is a Gimmick PERIOD. If the Dems put someone up there with her experience - the media would have made them a laughing stock. By the way, when will she have time to spend with her Downs Syndrom babie?
  • whiterosebuddy · 1 year ago
    Who knows when she will have time to spend with the baby she had and went back to work 3 days later. On the other hand she seems to be a real trooper of a person, as she flew back 11 hours on the plane from AZ (wherever) after her water broke so her baby could be 'Alaskan born'

    Lets Recall the Dems had Ferraro on the ticket and she didn't have a whole lot of experience either. But she too was a 'historic first'
  • checkbookcc · 1 year ago
    Do you think I care about her flying back to have a baby? No, I care about what are her issues concerning health care, food prices, etc. I know she is in the tank for big oil and school vouchers. I want to know about what this lady's policies are. If she had her child in Timbuktoo I could give a rat's arse. SHE IS A GIMMICK and I am not falling for this not one iota!!
  • parker404 · 1 year ago
    Returning to work 3 days after giving birth and spending 11 hours on a plane after your water breaks (rather than giving birth immediately) both reek of poor judgment.
  • JJai · 1 year ago
    I think that is disgusting, too.
  • MotorCityBadBoy · 1 year ago
    You're a comedian... Not worth a response.
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    MotorCityBadBoy: I am sooo CO-SIGNING!!!! :>) :>)
  • Anovelista · 1 year ago
    I'm sure he'd be saying the same exact thing if Sarah Palin had thrown her hat in the ring in early 2007 along with McCain, Romney, Guiliani, Thompson and the rest.
  • Anovelista · 1 year ago
    More experience than Obama? Most conservatives don't have their heads in the sand like you:

    David Frum, National Review: http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2VhOWE0...

    The longer I think about it, the less well this selection sits with me. And I increasingly doubt that it will prove good politics. The Palin choice looks cynical. The wires are showing.

    Cold Water on Palin [Ramesh Ponnuru]
    http://tinyurl.com/557crm

    Inexperience. Palin has been governor for about two minutes. Thanks to McCain’s decision, Palin could be commander-in-chief next year. That may strike people as a reckless choice; it strikes me that way. And McCain's age raised the stakes on this issue.

    As a political matter, it undercuts the case against Obama. Conservatives are pointing out that it is tricky for the Obama campaign to raise the issue of her inexperience given his own, and note that the presidency matters more than the vice-presidency. But that gets things backward. To the extent the experience, qualifications, and national-security arguments are taken off the table, Obama wins.

    And it’s not just foreign policy. Palin has no experience dealing with national domestic issues, either. (On the other hand, as Kate O’Beirne just told me, we know that Palin will be ready for that 3 a.m. phone call: She’ll already be up with her baby.)

    Tokenism. Can anyone say with a straight face that Palin would have gotten picked if she were a man?

    Compatibility. It doesn’t seem as though McCain knows Palin well. Do we have much reason to think they would work well together?

    Debates. Maybe, as Jonah said the other day, Biden will look like a bully going up against her—and maybe she’ll shine. But I can think of a lot of other picks who would have been lower-risk.


    *Sarah Palin has been governor for as long as Obama has been running for president and McCain had only met her once prior to last week.

    * Barack Obama also has a degree in Political science specializing in International Relations.

    * Obama was a Civil Rights lawyer for 10 years.

    * Obama served 11 years in the Illinois State Senate.

    * Obama has written over 800 pieces of legislation and co-sponsored even more.

    * Palin praised for Obama's energy plan 18 days ago and posted on her website.
    They removed it on August 28th.

    * Palin told Alaska Business Monthly "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq. I heard on the news about the new deployments, and while I support our president, Condoleezza Rice and the administration, I want to know that we have an exit plan in place"

    * Pat Buchanon said Palin was a "brigader" for him in 1996. http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ybh92

    That should go over really well with Jewish voters and Independents.

    As Rikyrah pointed out in another thread, McCain could have chose a GOP women with far more experience than Palin (Olympia Snowe, Carly Fiorina, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Christine Todd Whitman, Meg Whitmans) but they would probably be too much of a threat for him. That will sting for HRC supporters who supported her for reasons other than being a woman.

    Face it - she is hardly a slam dunk for McCain.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    This is the most cynical political choice I've seen since Clarence Thomas was appointed to the Supreme Court.

    John McCain is dangerous.

    John McCain is UNFIT to be POTUS.

    This proves it beyond any reasonable doubt.

    Where are the trolls?

    They know what's up.

    Palin is a nobody.. Charlotte, North Carolina is as big as Alaska. And it's easy to provide "tax cuts" when you don't need the taxes. Alaska is a state because of its oil. And it receives revenue automatically from the oil industry.

    John McCain is a fool.

    Keep the focus not John McCain, not Palin.

    The Dangerous One is a Fool.
  • Anovelista · 1 year ago
    Keep the focus not John McCain, not Palin.

    Exactly.
  • whiterosebuddy · 1 year ago
    "To the extent the experience, qualifications, and national-security arguments are taken off the table, Obama wins."

    This does not ring true and historically it has not shown to be true. Palin's pick highlights Obama's weakness, it validates inexperience as being a reason NOT to vote for Obama. Because in the end, if you vote for McCain you DO get loads of experience. So, if experience is the issue you pick McCain. This was an extremely shrewd move by McCain.

    Listen to how folks are ranting about the inexperience factor and Obama;s name is always thrown in the mix, with the GOP pundits always ending with but Palin is not the top of our ticket!!

    Men worried about experience will vote for McCain...that is the take away message.

    Palin reinforces, affirms and validates that McCain is the EXPERIENCED candidate.

    Look no further to Nixon/Agnew and Bush/Quayle winning tickets.
    At the end of the day folks vote for the top of the ticket.

    I pray that this is the year that political wisdom does not hold true.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    There isn't a white man in America shored up by this pick who wasn't already going to vote for John McCain anyway.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    Craig, I'm not a White male, but do they really find reassurance in this pick? Is their White male-ness that important to them, that they'd pick a man who disrespected this country by picking that lightweight? (I know you're not a White male either, but I can't see logical White men saying, 'wtg McCain'. )
  • parker404 · 1 year ago
    Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part, but I think sexism will trump racism on this one. I just can't imagine many white males comfortable with the idea of Palin as Commander in Chief. My father has always told me that the woman is the ni--a of the world.
  • MotorCityBadBoy · 1 year ago
    I agree Parker. Men are probably less likely to vote for mcCain now, and sad to say but even women are more liable to vote against another woman... especially a young "babe" woman with no experience... If it's one thing that those older white women hate more than a minority man, it's a young inexperienced babe who comes along and gets the promotion without putting in the work. Kay Bailey Hutchinson and Carly Fiorina cannot be happy.
  • Karmi · 1 year ago
    As usual...you are wrong again. Palin is a *REAL* Woman, and men like that fact. I was going to vote against the Dem Ticket; however, now I am voting FOR the Rep Ticket. Men like Palin a lot...simple as that.
  • Anovelista · 1 year ago
    How has "political wisdom" worked out so far in this election cycle? A biracial black man named Barack Hussein Obama was NOT expected to topple the Clinton machine and become the first African American nominee for president in a major party. Nobody saw that coming.

    "Political wisdom" gets thrown out the window everyday in this election.
  • checkbookcc · 1 year ago
    I heard this experience argument when Shrub was running and look at how that turned out . Shrub supposedly picked Cheney because of his experience. McCain has BAD judgment and is not in control of his own campaign. He was told to pick Palin and if he is elected he will be no better than Shrub. A PUPPET!!!!! He met her ONCE.
  • whiterosebuddy · 1 year ago
    I agree with all that you are saying. My point is that Dubya won.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Palin reinforces, affirms and validates that McCain is the EXPERIENCED candidate.

    It also reinforces that McCain is the OLD candidate...and all the implications of that.
  • RobM · 1 year ago
    Word
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    I don't know if you Repubs are getting scrambled messages from the mother ship orbiting just outside earth's atmosphere. Maybe Gustav is interfering with the transmissions. You have to be stark, raving crazy to think that a 72 year old McCain is responsible to choose Palin as running mate.

    This is evidence that the right wing has no credibility whatsoever. All the talk of national security and family values is all bluster. You people believe in nothing at all. This is John McCain's "Fuck You" to America.
  • Karmi · 1 year ago
    Too many replies, so I'll just do a 4'er + in this one. Palin's resume is like 5 pages whilst Obama's isn't even a page. Obama talks about 'change', while Palin has actually implemented it! Obama has snuggled up to corruption and the “Chicago Machine.” Palin has thrown the law at it. Obama has historically chosen friends who were racists, anti-Americans, and terrorists. Obama has lied over and over again, e.g. his relationship with Ayers and Rezko. He has funneled money to his corrupt friends and members of his own staff, e.g. Valerie Jarrett, Rezko, and Ayers.

    Last but not least...Obama has less executive experience than Palin, and he is running for President!?!
  • Town · 1 year ago
    "Last but not least...Obama has less executive experience than Palin, and he is running for President!?!"


    So is Palin more experienced than John McCain?
  • Karmi · 1 year ago
    She has more executive experience than Obama and Biden - combined.

    "Because Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama has relatively little experience in national affairs, the bar has been lowered this year for national candidates. This helps Mrs. Palin. As a governor, she has more executive experience than Mr. Obama."

    McCain has some, though I don't yet know if he has more or less than Palin. She has a record of integrity that few - if any - elected officials can match. "She'€™s an expert on one of this year's biggest issues - energy."

    Anyway, here is a link that I just found: TIME's interview with Sarah Palin.
  • Miranda · 1 year ago
    So the 30 year term mayor of Greenville, AL has more executive experience than all combined and therefore is more qualified to be President of the United States??
  • Karmi · 1 year ago
    Obama and Biden have no executive experience, i.e. none - nada - zip.
  • Miranda · 1 year ago
    So you believe the mayor of Greenville, AL is qualified for POTUS? And you believe quite a few former presidents were never qualified as well? Okie-dokie.
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    Miranda: Let US keep this conversation at a HIGH
    RATIONAL LEVEL!! :>) :>)

    HE IS QUALIFIED!!! ENOUGH!!!!! :>) :>)

    Whew! Neurons on fire Deep Breaths!!!! :>) :>)
  • Karmi · 1 year ago
    Besides City Council and Mayor, Palin has been Alaska's Governor since 2006, in case you didn't know.