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I think voters will see for what it is... which is true bashing of a candidate. The media is getting a heart attack over the fact that Obama is able to weather these storms, be it "Wright" gate or "bitter" gate. I hope the O-Man pulls this off. Looking over the comments on "www.abcnews.com" - regarding the story about the debate, they seem 90% pro Obama. Let's hope there's a huge backlash against Hillary, who I no longer have any respect for. I'm appalled that she would use right-wing talking points against a fellow Democrat.
Obama 08!
You were so pissed you had to write up one tonight. I'm feeling you.
It was patently absurd. The entire farce.
The ABC Boards are hilarious. They've shut them down, they're so hostile.
Send relevant emails with solid points (and attribution) have civil conversations and be prepared to explain various issues in a civil manner.
I remember reading someone recently that Bill Clinton once depended on the intelligence of the American public to get him out of the Lewinsky mess, but now he (and Hillary) are depending on the ignorance of the American public.
Just like Obama eventually pulled it out in Texas (you'd barely know it by the press coverage) and stunned the "experts" by pulling out South Carolina with a 28-point edge that no one predicted, let's hope that he can stun everyone again and win Pennsylvania after all of this mess.
And I hope we can get a campaign commercial about Barack and Michelle's "elite" upbringing. They should do an ad where they state plainly - with pictures! - that Michelle was raised on the South Side of Chicago by a stay at home mom and a dad who has MS and yet provided for his family by working at a plant. They should remind folks that Barack's mother was, as Michelle says in her stump speech, "an 18 year old white woman raising a black kid in the 1960s".
And they should definitely reiterate in this ad that they just paid their student loans off 3 YEARS AGO!!
Those ads need to air PRONTO!
http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3271346&cat;=ABC%20News%20Specials
We deserve the President we get. Read it again, don't get dismayed...get bi-polar...angry and hopeful...its a good mix.
Boycott, email campaigns...I'm down for whatever. (Chill FISA hoes, its all legal LOL)
Barack is gonna win Pennsylvania, I'm claiming it in the mighty name of Jesus...
Good gawd; ABC's actions were horrible. As I predicted, they led off with questions on issues that they (the media) felt were most important: the issues that they themselves manufactured. Then followed up with another 20 minutes on Jeremiah Wright; capping it off with the "are you patriotic enough" silliness. After 45 or 50 minutes of this crap, I changed the channel. It was obvious that ABC wasn't going to moderate a serious debate on the pertinent issues of the day.
Barack should be pissed off with today's media right about now. Question is, what can he do about it?
I'm sorry--if you don't support Barack Obama, that's fine, but if you can't acknowledge that this debate was a farce and that it offended decency on so many levels, I don't even want to know you.
I want some kind of action to be taken. Certainly if David Schuster can be suspended from MSNBC for one comment, Stephanopolous and Charlie Gibson out to receive some punishment for this 50 minute sustained hit on Barack Obama AND for, in colluding with Fox News, perpetuating a media monopoly.
There must be something more that can be done.
[Mr./Ms. Moderator] I've provided enough answers to these distracting and trivial types of questions, that you could write volumes on the subjects for the rest of your career. Now, to the extent that you're going to continue to ask questions that bear no pertinence to the most pressing issues of the day for the vast majority of Americans, I'm going to pass the question to Senator Clinton. And if you all see fit to occupy the American people's precious time discussing my church or how I accessorize my clothing, then proceed at your own peril.
When you're prepared to discuss the economy, education, environment, war and the pursuit of peace, by all means let me (and the American people) know.
I'd get crucified by the media in the short-term, but it'd be well worth it in the long run.
I missed the debatem so I don't know if it was a farce or not.
Ronnie,
That's hilarious. And, yeah, you'd take a hit for that one.
Their entire race has come down to competence, personal narratives, and identity politics. The Democrats have had over a dozen of these nationally-televised debates, and the policy differences have mostly disappeared between the two candidates.
When all one has is personal narrative, expecting the nation’s support on the basis of a personal story arc rather than any relative experience at governing — a description that fits both candidates — they shouldn’t act shocked when that narrative comes into question.
Sen. Obama, does Rev. Jeremiah Wright love America as much as you do?
What the hell kind of debate question is that! Only a BLACK man named Barack Hussein Obama would get such an asinine question.
If Obama had bungled 2 hours of poicy, we'd all be talking about how Obama didn't do well on policy.
I do not exaggerate, nor does anyone else exaggerate, when I say that the ENTIRE FIRST HOUR of a TWO HOUR DEBATE, was nothing but a LYNCHING of Obama.
I mean that, in no uncertain terms.
People are right. Imagine Fox News, scratch that. Fox News would have at least pretended that they were ' fair and balanced', but putting in a few decent questions, as to not be so obvious.
The audience BOOOED Gibson and Stephanopoulos...that's how wretched it was.
I couldnt help but think about how they(ABC) cut loose DL Hughley, Damon Wayans, and Isiah Washington. (i know its off topic..im just sayin)
Of course though, the real issue is the fact that at no point in the 45 minutes of mud slinging did they go into the Columbia Free Trade Agreement and how Bill is all in for it, and his wife isnt. If youre plannin on slingin mud, I get it, but atleast be fair with the mud slinging. Sad Sad day for Mickey and Co....
One More thing, I equate George Steph going onto Sean Hannity to dig out questions, to Tavis Smiley going to Tom Joyner to get questions. Tavis however, was not a former aide to one of the candidates.....
And that is said with as much sarcasm as I can possibly muster this morning.
I'm actually glad I missed it. I'm all for coming out swinging at the candidates.....but swing with an issue. To ask questions along the lines of "who's more patriotic?" (which, honestly, is as far as I got before I just couldn't take it) is just stupid.
You know that Obama threatens them, when they do something like this. I don't know if it's race of if it's his ideas, but the Village is scared. They've been trying so hard to provoke the Angry Black Man in these debates and as we've gone along, the debate questions towards Obama have gotten downright ignorant.
First, most american outside of us political junkies didn't view the debate and those that did saw it for what it was...a hatchet job.
Second, outside of FAKE NEWS, most of the networks will be covering the Popes visit in it's entirety. Pennsilvania has a large catholic population and I suspect that they will be following the church events of this week.
I'm so glad I decided to skip the debate. As it was I felt my blood pressure going up just watching KO's post-show.
Having said that, I'm feeling a little better today seeing all the bitterness being directed at ABC (no pun intended). I think people are finally waking up to what a joke the US media is.
"The dumbest debate in America?
US elections 08: The hosts on last night's ABC Democratic debate were shameful: don't they realise America is sick of their junk food?
Niall Stanage
All Niall Stanage articles
About Webfeeds April 17, 2008 11:00 AM
What is it about Philadelphia? The city last month hosted one of the most impressive moments of the presidential campaign to date: Barack Obama's forthright speech on race. But last night, the very same venue - the National Constitution Centre - witnessed one of the worst events: the dismal ABC News debate between the Democratic candidates.
The contrast could hardly have been starker. Obama's March 18 speech was sophisticated, honest and, above all, respectful of the intelligence of his audience. Last night's debate - or, more specifically, the performance of its moderators, Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos - was by turns superficial and disingenuous........."
And these folks just made their switch this past week!! You guys, our little local office has at least two people come in every day, who just need to "fellowship" and mourn the fact that they just HAD to switch from Clinton to this man they so admire now, Obama. And they're relieved and scared and tired of the ugliness.
I keep telling my folks on my list that ~
it is IMPOSSIBLE for her to win enough delegates at this point unless she makes it a complete and total blowout.
That no matter what stumbles he's made in this campaign, he has never eaten his words, has kept to his message of personal responsibility for our actions and holding our leaders to the same standard.
That while she is indeed a very experienced fighter, that it means nothing to be the best fighter in a dirty game. For our country, we need to change the GAME.
One voter at a time, we're getting there and so PLEASE, any of you who can spare even one hour, go to Obama site and sign up and get your online phonebank list and work it. People are HUNGRY to hear that it's okay to vote for him.
Over, I'm exhausted, I'm not discouraged, even he "loses" this state by ten, she cannot win this.
Peace and strength
She said that Obama CAN WIN. HE CAN BEAT MCCAIN.
At first she did her usual weasel but when pinned down, she had to say it.
He CAN and WILL win the general, you all just keep that in the front of your minds.
Keep on pushing, keep on pushing.
-----signed
THE GOP
We've seen it in the last few months, and we'll continue to see it all the way through November.
1)The Candidates were given a "lightening round" at the end with one minute to answer questions like gas prices etc. with no rebuttal or follow up questions. They were deliberately made to look bad and prevented from showcasing any positive Democratic policy. It was designed to make them both look bad, but with a focus on Obama.
2)Gibson was personally argumentative with Obama...pressing the issue of Capital Gains in a debate aimed at an economically devastated region. This question seemed personally important to Gibson.
3)And, finally the audience was restrained from applauding in order to create an impression of disagreement.
This whole thing was detrimental to them both, but Obama was the focus as he is expected to win the nomination. It was designed to damage Obama for the Republicans. Hillary was beside the point because they know they can beat her but they FEAR him!
If Clinton was a person of integrity, when she and Obama realized they had been set up, they could have come together and agreed not to answer any more inappropriate questions. They could have walked out together showing Democratic unity. But, it showed Clinton is willing to sacrifice anything to win. It is even possible she had something to do with the setup.
As for the Superdelegates, they should be moving rapidly in the next few days to endorse their candidate (Obama) after witnessing this. Democrats are being made a fool of by Republicans yet again. The danger signs are there and this thing should make Dems furious.
The debate last night was embarrassing. It wasn’t even a debate, it was a Clinton controlled questioning session where Clinton was given alot of slack and Obama was interrupted when he had his turn at least over 5 -6 times. Last night, it was obvious that Disney owned, ABC, was not interested in showing an intelligent debate where the social issues that affect all Americans are discussed - - - poor public education system, housing crisis, economy, gas prices and food prices.
There are real problems that plague us right now! However, the first hour of this debate was spent on "controversies" that have been commented on by both candidates over the weeks ad nauseum. I haven’t watched ABC for years, it’s the only network I rank beneath FAUX NEWS and I will never watch it again!!
Below are the email addresses I obtained from the HUFFPO in case anyone wants to write ABC a scathing letter. I just did. <
Natalie.J.Raabe@abc.com">/br>
Natalie.J.Raabe@abc.com, aberke@constitutioncenter.org, feedback@abcnews.go.com, newsradio@abc.com, cristi.d.landes@abc.com, wayne.fisk@abc.com, jeffrey.t.fitzgerald@abc.com, heidi.b.oringer@abc.com, jonathan.m.newman@abc.com, joyce.a.alcantara@abc.com, james.f.kane@abc.com, andrew.l.kalb@abc.com, robert.garcia@abc.com, peter.salinger@abc.com, steve.jones@abc.com
OR CALL ABC NOW: dial 212-456-7777 or 818-460-7477 press 2 then 6 then 639
"To this observer, ABC's coverage seemed slanted against Obama. The director cut several times to reaction shots of such Clinton supporters as her daughter, Chelsea, who sat in the audience at the Kimmel Theater in Philly's National Constitution Center. Obama supporters did not get equal screen time, giving the impression that there weren't any in the hall. The director also clumsily chose to pan the audience at the very start of the debate, when the candidates made their opening statements, so Obama and Clinton were barely seen before the first commercial break."
Truthseeker,
Personally, I didn't mind the taxation questions. Barack needs to see a few fastball pitches from time to time, in order to maintain his reflexes. He is going to be the President, and he should have a command of all of the issues that important to all of the people. Better that he addresses those issues in an open forum; it says that his policy position is strong enough to debate in ANY forum.
That said, ABC didn't have that in mind. It was a hit job.
That wasn't news, that was an ambush. Hillary Clinton is deplorable. Obama showed that he is presidential material because he always takes the high ground. They let Hillary off and didn't mention any of her controversies except that stupid sniper fire thing. That debate was disgusting! I was in disbelief about what was going on.
You're not getting me...the question was based on a statement by John McCain. Raising taxes is a hot button Republican talking point. A Democratic debate is a competition between the policy positions of the Democratic candidates only.
The footage of the debeate and the "lightening round" where the candidates were forced to talk fast and their answers cut off mid-sentence, will be used by Republicans in the general against Democrats as "gotcha" material. Why do you think they asked them to make pledges? It was a Republican set up, and many Democrats are still too naive to recognize it.
I see what your saying, now.
Sounds like Fox News got their debate after all...
He should quit trying to parse his words to the point that he sometimes seems unwilling or unknowing in the response he wants to convey. His tortured answers intended to try and not offend the "others" is truly disappointing. Spit it out, just say it. Tell George S. he is full of shit for asking him about someone who committed crimes 40 years ago for which he was not convicted, who now is a leader in the Chicago area regarding efforts to make others lives better. For all the Republicans who often speak of redemption when referring to the little shit in the White House shouldn't others been allowed their redemption and even with that did Obama bombed these buildings when he was 8 years old? Once again the guilt by association is going to be the stick by which the Republicans will try to defeat Obama, they have nothing else.
Obama staying true to his commitment to try and keep above the fray, could have come at Hillary even when she was trying her best to knee cap him, but he did not. He had so many opportunities to do so, but chose not, and Hillary knows this. Here she was looking at what is a decent man that she had to try her best to gorge in order to win a nomination she will not get. She has lost all class and dignity.
Where was her flag pin?
Why was Obama asked to go into Reverend Wright's head and answer the most outrageous question of the night about his patriotism. A man who served in both the Marines and Navy and was the valedictorian of his class. He left college to join the Marines in 1961 to support this country when it didn't support him, and you ask about his patriotism? The little shit!
The curtain has been pulled back, the corporations that have taken over these news operations are now standing naked before you, and now you who depend on them for information, know that you have been manipulated. Hopefully, this will open the eyes of many to the disgraceful and unethical standards of the so-called "liberal media."
ABC,Disney,Time-Warner,CNN, NBC and Fox.....ALL in bed together.......Not so bad that they're against Obama....but they're against America ! They think we're all moronic sheep, swayable by whatever garbage they feed us. Time to prove them wrong starting with ABC/Disney. IT'S BOYCOTT TIME !!!!!! NO ABC....NO DISNEY !!!!!!!!! Time to hit the pockets !
Google 'Hillary's Religion The Family'...(aka Christian Mafia)This secret cult is a group of all of the biggest money people in America wh secretly meet and plan exactly how they are going to control the entire world. CEO's of these networks are members of the cult....the secret mission......CHECK FOR YOURSELVES....ANSWERS A LOT OF QUESTIONS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Visit: Blacks4Barack.org
PLEASE, if you can go online to the Obama site and sign up to phone bank, even ONE hour. I can NOT get over how HUNGRY people are to be convinced. The fear, the hope, "do you really think he can win?" "but .... she's got so much experience" "Can he fight as hard as her?"
They WANT to be told "yes" and hear real human beings tell our reasons for being behind this campaign. I hear it over and over and over AGAIN, how people have decided, based on US and OUR beliefs and reasons, to switch and go with their heart in this.
Okay, I'm back out but seriously, ONE hour of phone time would be so wonderful.
If Hillary is still contesting the nomination in August, she will most likely be asking them to overturn the will of the primary voters and make her the nominee. They will only take such a risk if they are totally convinced that Obama can't win in Novemeber.
How many times have we heard Clinton and Obama argue endlessly over what amounts to a very minor difference in their health-care plans?
More importantly, McCain is not likely to challenge either Clinton or Obama on issues like the environment, interrogation, and health care in the general election. He will challenge them on issues like gun control, foreign policy, and taxes — the issues ABC covered — while outside groups will ensure that their personal controversies are in the public eye as November draws near.
It concludes, "This was a debate for their (superdelegates) benefit, and ABC did the right thing by testing the candidates on the issues that are bound to take center stage in the fall. On these issues, Obama might have stumbled. But he did not commit the kind of catastrophic blunder Clinton needs if she’s to have any hope of winning the nomination."
This sounds about right to me, and will help to prepare Obama for the general election issues to come.
You'll realize that not much has changed.
S~
I respectfully disagree. A gazillion people can't be wrong when they say that ABC's moderation of the debate was an abomination.
Moreover, any suggestion that the ABC debate was some kind of tempering process for "center stage" issues like flag pins and inflammatory pastors, should be treated with a great deal of suspicion and skepticism.
To put it plainly, it's an effort to lull Obama into a muddy cesspool and fight the contest from there ...
rather than on the real issues of the day, where McCain is clearly the weakest.
If you replaced Clinton with McCain, and the questions were on Revs. Wright and Haggee, not wearing flag pins and not cosponsoring veterans' bills, the Weather Underground and (for sake of argument, cause they're equally controversial) Free Republic...would that have made the debate "fair?
I don't know that people are taking exception with the debates being "unfair". I think people are outraged at the trivial nature of the questions that occupied the first half of it.
That said, an Obama v. McCain debate on the issues of Iraq troop withdrawal, taxes, appropriations, education and health care, would have been "fair" -- and appropriate.
nuff said.
"Who's your Daddy boy?"?
It was obvious as one would watch the 'coverage' of the war that all of the cable news networks were working for the Bush Regime. The ONLY place we as Americans could attempt to gather some truth was through C-Span, Huff and a few other sites which would show all of the networks to be actually misleading America. Now, with as simple a tool as Google, Americans can find out information that the networks won't give. Hillary's secret religion (cult) known as 'The Family' is a D.C. based group of the richest folks in America who 'pray to Jesus for the elite to rule the world' . The fact that there has been absolutely no mention of her cult leads one to believe that the higher-ups at the networks (and other big corporations) are a part of 'The Family'.....and the plan to rule the world. I know.... it sounds far fetched. You can find a great list of links regarding 'The Family' at www.Blacks4Barack.org. Truthtellers like Huffington, The Nation, Mother Jones and others have all done recent stories about 'The Family'....but where's CNN, MSNBC, Fox or the gang. They all know that there's an internet rumbling going on right now about this cult. But....no mention. Do the research yourselves....check into 'The Family'....once you do....you'll see that it is not only scary....BUT IT MUST BE STOPPED !!!!!!!!!!!!!! LEARN/SHARE !!!!!
Visit: www.Blacks4Barack.org
(A Multi-Racial Organization Dedicated to Truth)
You're a wuss! A pathetic jealous ignorant trashy wuss!