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About this ‘Electability’ Memo….

Started by baratunde aka jack turner · 10 months ago

Hat tip: reader here at JJP
One very interesting poll came out yesterday. The new Rasmussen Poll.

Here is the eye-popper:

Among African-American voters, Obama dominates but Clinton attracts just 59% support

59%.

59%.

A Democrat, who, 6 months out, garners 59% of the most loyal base of the Democratic Party.<br ... Continue reading »

26 comments

  • N. Mahana

    1 year ago

    I co-sign this and I pledge to NOT vote for Hillary Clinton if she steals the Democratic nomination.
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  • Anonymous

    1 year ago

    I will NOT vote for Hillary, nor my friends and family. That is a given. Hell, we have survived 7 years of bush another 4 will not make that much of a difference. The Supreme Court is already fu@##@ek up. I am willing to wait this puppy out!!!
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  • Cameron

    1 year ago

    Make no mistake, Illinois and many other "safe" blue states will turn red without a doubt if she is the nominee. I can handle 4 years of McCain.
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  • Kitty

    1 year ago

    I never voted for Bill (even back in the day I knew he was full of crap), and Lucifer himself will be lacing up his skates for the NHL before I cast a vote for Hillary.
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  • heartsandflowers

    1 year ago

    Is that percentage calculation accurate? 59% seems a little high to me! Unfortunately just as some Black people have not bothered to vote this primary season despite the history of violence and suppression SOME people will vote for her regardless. Hopefully that number will be few and far between. Hopefully those in the Black blogsphere will organize. We need to have a strategic contingency plan in place. If Obama is torpedoed what are people planning? We cannot sit out this election cycle.
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  • Jack Turner

    1 year ago

    here here rikyrah.
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  • Jonzee

    1 year ago

    Rikyrah,


    I am not voting for her. Neither are any of the people I know.



    By time you subtract out the AA voters who refuse to vote for her and the voters of other hues--she would be in a world of trouble.



    The question is how can we be more active? At this point I feel like we are singing to the choir and we need to start shouting louder than the Repugnicans.
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  • N. Mahana

    1 year ago

    heartsandflowers yes!


    Somebody is finally talking about what needs to be done. I think the black blogosphere (at least those who support Barack's candidacy) needs to be a voice of solidarity, writing, doing podcast's and ect informing the public of the following:



    What is happening during this primary season but also that if the DNC allows the rules to be changed in order to ensure a hand over of the nomination to Clinton, that we are urging all Black Americans who planned on supporting the Democratic nominee to go and vote on election day, but to write in Obama's name or an independent candidate. Under no circumstances cast your vote for Hillary Clinton or John McCain.



    That is not enough however, we need to investigate what corporations Hillary and McCain are being funded by. I can guarantee there are some corporate fa tcats providing some financial contributions.



    They need to feel the power of the Black consumer. This includes advertisers for television networks like Fox, MSNBC, CNN and

    other forms of media like these talk radio shows as well as print media.



    The dollar holds the power and we need to take advantage. No longer does being outraged and marching in the street works.



    Start also stating in solidarity that we will not support Democratic or Republicans looking to retain or gain seats in Congress.



    Just like a lot of citizens donated to Senator Obama's campaign, so can we do with Independent candidates. Let some people with new visions get into congress. People that are first beholden to us not corporate crooks.



    Seems a bit naive to some but change starts with one person and one small action then snowballs.



    We can do it!
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  • Ronnie B

    1 year ago

    I'll not vote for Hillary Clinton, nor any Democrat that endorses her, sanctions or supports her efforts, or otherwise benefits if she should somehow be given the nomination.


    In fact, if that's the way the party treats it's most loyal constituency, I'd probably never support a Democrat again.
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  • Maureen

    1 year ago

    I will NEVER vote for HRC and I am a 60 year old female-I will sit this one out because I could not vote republican. OBAMA 08
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  • Ms.Martin

    1 year ago

    Like I told the DNC a month ago, I will start a campaign to make sure she's not elected to office.


    I also hope if she doesn't get the nomination, that black voters in NY will remind her of what she did to them the first change they get.



    That's how serious it is for me!
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  • Nedsdag

    1 year ago

    I'm not voting for her either. I will leave the presidential slot of the ballot blank if that woman wins the nomination. She disgusts me. Any right minded African American office holder who supports her also supports her race baiting tactics as well.


    She is a she-devil of the worst kind. It makes me hope she does get the nomination and watch McCain hand her fat, pantsuited ass to her. It couldn't have happened to a nicer person.



    Hillary, karma's a bitch and so are you!
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  • Admiral Komack

    1 year ago

    "IF I voted for her AFTER SHE STEALS IT, then I, and every other Black voter who votes for her, would be saying that Black folk belong PERMANENTLY IN THE BACK OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BUS."


    -If I may, a slight change:



    "IF I voted for her AFTER SHE STEALS IT, then I, and every other Black voter who votes for her, would be saying that Black folk belong PERMANENTLY UNDER THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BUS."



    I will not vote for Hillary Clinton, and don't start the "ohh, what about the Supreme Court justices, ohhh, I'm getting the vapors!"



    Hillary would co-sign with the Republicans to get what "she" wants, and I believe she would throw pro-choice nominees under the bus in order to accomplish that.
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  • Gina

    1 year ago

    The dismissive "Oh, they'll be back" sentiment is exactly what Billary is counting on to bolster her should she come out as the nominee after next month. Sadly, they have a point: stuck between a rock and a hard place, many of us will hold our noses and vote anyway.


    But as for me and my family, we've said it since the SC Primary: I'll vote republican for the first time in my life than vote for Billary. Their true colors have shown, and anything less than outright protest will be taken as acquiesence.



    I'm so glad I'm not the only one thinking this way.
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  • Anonymous

    1 year ago

    AMEN!


    Against Race Politics
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  • ac

    1 year ago

    Preach Rikyrah, preach! Papa C said some time ago he would vote for McCain in the "unlikely event". I've tried to persuad him to write Sen. Obama in.


    I cannot support Hillary for exactly the reasons you have so eloquently stated and I am not down with 10, 100 or 1000 years in Iraq, or any other of that ish Republicans get all heated about that are completely opposite of everything I stand for.



    "They'll be back, where else do they have to go?" so freaking dismissive - it's just one more damn insult to my intelligence and to my humanity isn't it?
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  • Cameron

    1 year ago

    The sad part is that there WILL be some black voters who will vote for her just for that reason. It's up to the people on this blog and elsewhere to convince them otherwise.
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  • Craig Hickman

    1 year ago

    What's funny is that people are asking why it took Obama so long to sever ties with Wright.


    Well, look how long it has taken for Black folk to see the light about the Clintons.



    We are a forgiving people and it takes a lot for us to cut the cord.



    I saw the Clintons coming a mile away. I didn't vote for them before and I surely wouldn't start now.
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  • haale

    1 year ago

    Count me in! If she steals the nomination, I'm writing in Obama and then switching my party affiliation to Independent!
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  • kimbers

    1 year ago

    I'm a 53 year old white woman in Minnesota and you can count on me to not vote for Clinton. Not now,not in 2012,not in 2016, not ever.


    On election day, if Obama is not on the ballot,I will be writing in his name. If I were to go against everything I believe and stand for in my life and cast a vote for either Clinton or McCain, I might as well be hit myself in the head with a brick. I want to be able to stand tall and look myself in the mirror and know I didn't settle.
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  • Anonymous

    1 year ago

    Remember, it's 59% now, just wait until after she steals the nomination. It will be much lower than that. Much, much lower. They are going to have to go around and pay Black people to vote for her, if they do at all.


    I live in DC and there is nothing important on the ballot in November except for the Presidential fight, I will just stay home and I will encourage all of my friends to do likewise.
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  • Kim

    1 year ago

    Right on Rikyrah! Great post! I will not vote for Missy Hillary in Nov. either. I'm down with haale, I will switch to independent and write in Obama.
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  • K. Thomas

    1 year ago

    Hillary, McCain, or any other politician not named OBAMA will get my vote.... PERIOD.
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  • K. Thomas

    1 year ago

    WILL NOT!!! Get my vote.
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  • Anonymous

    1 year ago

    As a white middle class Obama supporter I would be very hard pressed to vote for HRC. She is no different than the Karl Rove replubicans who have polluted the political landscape.


    Whereas I use to have a moderate respect for her, I no long have any. I also voted for Bill twice.



    I mourn the election of John McCain as nothing better than the jerk we have now. It is another sad day for America
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  • jdickenslaw

    1 year ago

    I have an idea. If they give HRC the nomination, we should go to McCain as a group, ask him to support two or three of Obama's principal issues, and vote for McCain as a major voting block. He is not going to promise to pull the troops out of Iraq, but he might be persuaded to lower the cost of healthcare for everyone on the front end with subsidies instead of on the back end with tax credits. He might also be willing to giving more federal assistance to schools or actually fully funding and amending the No Child Left Behind Act. Essentially, we would ask him to adopt two or three of Obama's issues in exchange for our votes. If enough of us stick together, we could almost certainly gurantee him a victory in November, and it would show the Dem. Party that we have some negotiating power.


    I'd rather McCain win it than HRC, but too many people sacrificed for us to have the right and privilege to vote for us to just stay home. Let's try to get something for our votes in addition to some payback!
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