Jack and Jill Politics - Latest Comments in Afternoon Open Thread

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rikyrah — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:17:05 -0000

If it's the same exhibit I saw awhile ago at our local Mexican Museum, it's fabulous.

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caribgirl — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:25:28 -0000

They seem to believe that if you swapped out Obama for Kucinich he would be able to get single payer or a robust public option through congress. How, I don't know. They could only get 220 votes for a weak PO in the house.

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aleth — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:12:16 -0000

Agreed 10000000%%%%

They have all found their black slave they want to control. I tell folks at the end of the day Obama will be fine, last i remember Carter was doing well and Bush etc...

What the fuck is a progressive? I almost feel their actions are based on how they feel at a particular moment.

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aleth — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:09:11 -0000

I just have a question which i stated at DKos based on a new york time article, Hillary Clinton is for the escalation of the war.

So I am looking for an explanation of how progressive she was/is? From Iraq vote, to protecting NAFTA, i just need an explanation.

I think I saw alot of revolt on Kuccinch on the site.

I have to ask another question:

What is a progressive?
What is a liberal?
What is a democrat?
It seems like 3 separate identities.

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miss_opinion — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:37:27 -0000

http://www.huffingtonpost.c...

Loud Dobbs out of CNN?

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signspeaker: AI is the Reaper — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:24:22 -0000

"Why communism doesn't make people happy"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...

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Rey — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:19:08 -0000

Post praises African Presence in Mexico exhibit at the Smithsonian:
http://www.washingtonpost.c...

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soothsayer — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:07:58 -0000

I think it's a reply to EKnight upthread.

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soothsayer — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:00:35 -0000

They expect the Black man to clean up after all the white presidents.

Clinton created this mess and Obama is supposed to snap his fingers and make it all better. Overnight.

They can kiss my Black ass and go jump in FireDogLake.

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rikyrah — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:59:10 -0000

I'm going to find that clip, Craig. Thanks.

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rikyrah — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:58:12 -0000

I know Ronnie - that just made me stop cold when I saw it.

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rikyrah — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:57:48 -0000

is this a reply to an article, Town?

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rikyrah — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:57:19 -0000

My Pet Goat, Inc.

HILARIOUS

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rikyrah — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:56:30 -0000

Snob is back, and now, he's just amusing. nobody takes him seriously. everytime he opens his mouth, i just sigh at the stupidity

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rikyrah — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:54:21 -0000

not a dog lover, but this is good

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rikyrah — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:53:49 -0000

this is good news, and force the Congress to go on the record- make them take a stand.

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MonieTalks — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:26:04 -0000

so you mean to tell me Kucinich's records stands at what you have just described and the progressives have not stoned him verbally, disowned him, and threatened to boycott him, yet they elevated him to presidential candidate status for 2012, while the first year of this administration is not even complete.

Say it ain't so.

Democrats/progressives/liberals will always be their own worst enemy...always.

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caribgirl — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:46:37 -0000

The reason they both sound alike is that they are each in their echo chamber. The country is not progressive as progressives think nor as conservative as conservatives think.

I thought Obama was President for 4 years. If in 2012 they are not satisfied with what he has done, they could look for someone else to vote for or stay home whichever suits them better. I've seen on dailykos, numerous diaries calling for Kucinich in 2012. The ironic thing is that Kucinich voted against the stimulus, cap & trade, SCHIP, hate crimes, the budget, and health care. But apparently he is a "good" progressive.

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MonieTalks — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:31:10 -0000

Something is truly amiss.

Funny thing is, last month Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), who is a one of the main sponsors for the proposed Respect for Marriage Act had a press release PRAISING former President Bill Clinton and of all people, former Congressman Bob Barr, who introduced DOMA in the first place.

Here's what Bill Clinton had to say

Today, President Clinton said: “I want to thank Congressman Nadler for his leadership on this issue, and Reps. Baldwin, Polis, Conyers, Lewis, Velazquez and Lee, for introducing the Respect for Marriage Act in the House of Representatives. Throughout my life I have opposed discrimination of any kind. When the Defense of Marriage Act was passed, gay couples could not marry anywhere in the United States or the world for that matter. Thirteen years later, the fabric of our country has changed, and so should this policy.”

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ny08_nadle...

I wonder did the progressives, who are now on a boycotting mission, erupt in anger when they read Clinton words...call him the same names they bestow on the President day in, day out. The same man who signed INTO LAW DOMA, DADT, and ENDA.

Double standards know no political realm.

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Admiral_Komack — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:16:49 -0000

Rice And Hadley Look Set To Launch Consulting Firm

Two top Bush administration officials whose reputations for strategic acumen were badly damaged by the disasters of the Bush years may be about to market their expertise to private-sector clients.

In September, the RiceHadley Group LLC was registered as a business in California, under a San Francisco address. According to a source, the venture is to be a "strategic consulting" firm, headed by former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and former National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley, and will be launched imminently.

Neither Rice nor Hadley responded to TPMmuckraker's requests for comment.

A website at the URL "ricehadley.com" is said to be "under construction." According to internet records, the site was registered October 2. A woman with an Alexandria, Virginia mailing address -- who also did not respond to our attempts to contact her -- is listed as the administrative contact for the domain name.

Asked whether the Hoover Institution, where Rice is currently a senior fellow, was aware of plans for the firm, a spokeswoman replied that it was.

She added that Rice has not indicated she has any plans to leave Hoover, and that it's not unusual for fellows to have outside positions.

Rice and Hadley worked closely together during President Bush's first term, when Hadley served as Rice's deputy, while Rice was National Security Advisor.

Hadley is currently a senior advisor at the United States Institute for Peace.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/...

-My Pet Goat, Inc.

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miss_opinion — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:58:16 -0000

This is what happens when people let their emotions get the better of them. I never found anyone in that crowd appealing and I can see why. I'm not a overly passionate person. I can express anger but I think this crowd lets emotions get the better of them. I'd love to know what knight in progressive shinning armour do they think is out there that can get them every last thing they want?

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soothsayer — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:51:22 -0000

I can't believe it took so long. Funny thing, though, that the last democratic president gave us DADT and DOMA and Clinton loyalists, so many of them GLBT, voted him back into office for another term anyway.

This democratic president isn't through a year and they're turning their backs.

What's the biggest difference between Bill and President Obama?

Yeah. That one.

Chris Matthews tore into David Plouffe last night. I was mildly surprised. He treated him as though he was a right wing nutcase. Plouffe choked on his disgust and endured the interview anyway, refusing to let Tweety put words in his mouth. It was quite the exchange. Afterwards, Tweety was so self conscious, he wondered why David was upset with him. All I kept saying was "watch the tape you fucking moron!"

The Clintons are being elevated right now. Their peeps are showing up on all the networks all the time.

Something is amiss.

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Town — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:36:20 -0000

Well remember most of the DKos crew wanted Hillary or John Edwards. They wanted Obama to sit in the back of the bus.

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ronnieb — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:31:55 -0000

The picture of the grieving lady, clutching that photo illustrates how extremely sad that whole tragedy is.

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EKnight — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:21:54 -0000

YIKES!

FDL, Dkos, AmericaBlog and other Netroots blogs, have joined together to boycott the DNC, OFA and the Obama Campaign.

http://fdlaction.firedoglak...

The main issue appears to be DADT, ENDA & DOMA. However, if you continue on to the comments section, many of Hamsher's supporters are extending the boycott to include the Stupak Amendment, Obama's alleged "selling out" of healthcare and Obama's supposed "mishandling" of the economy. One of the most outrageous comments began, "This administration is a massive clusterf@ck."

What's most fascinating to me is how much Conservatives and Progressives are beginning to sound alike.