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Guns3000 — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:54:52 -0000

What is your sister's panties doing in your dresser drawer?

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SouthernGirl2 — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:48:48 -0000

Maybe for the next one TP he can borrow one out of your closet?

Maybe TP can borrow anyone of the pretty ones in yours?

No big deal though, right?

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Admiral_Komack — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:55:22 -0000

I love my iPhone!

I love the apps!

SWEET!

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Admiral_Komack — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:40:33 -0000

Hello, MsMartin (waves)!

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Admiral_Komack — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:38:49 -0000

I've watched one "Madea" movie halfway through...but I enjoyed it.

I've bought "Madea" movies as gifts...and they were appreciated and the persons who received them were not "ignorant buffoons".

I watched the 60 Minutes Tyler Perry interview and was impressed with the man.

Maybe Spike Lee is jealous.

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Webb — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:15:08 -0000

Micheaux was the first...but he didn't change the game. There's a reason it's called Show-Business.
Van Peebles CHANGED the Game, forever and ever, Amen.

The Poll-of-the-Moment: Spike Lee vs. Tyler Perry - Where do YOU stand?

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Webb — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:12:42 -0000

True that...props to Gordon Parks but were you aware...

According to Melvin Van Peebles, the original production of SHAFT was of a white detective story, but after the success of Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song (1971), the original script was scrapped in favor of an adaptation of Ernest Tidyman's 1970 novel Shaft, which focused on an African-American detective.[1]

If we really wanted to get deep about it, we could go back to Oscar Micheaux, but i've got to give credit where credit is due.

MELVIN VAN PEEBLES WAS AND IS THE SHYT.

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rikyrah — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:11:08 -0000

Oscar Micheaux has them all beat, and did it in times that were unimaginable - what he was able to do.

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rikyrah — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:10:01 -0000

hi msmartin,

I hope you are doing well.

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Webb — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:04:41 -0000

Kneegro please, did you not say, "without Spike Lee making it happen for decades," as if Spike Lee innovated this shyt?

Then further down the thread, you obsess about Spike Lee's jock strap..."Tyler Perry couldn't hold Spike's jock strap." LMAO, forget about Tyler, YOU'RE THE ONE RIDING SPIKE'S SPIKE TONIGHT, You're all "On-that-Jock" Gunns___, lmao.

Introducing jock straps and "dresses in the closet" into the thread--you sure you want to go there with WEBB? I just checked my closet. Sorry, no dresses...but I found your girlfriend's ****** in my dresser drawer.

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itgurl_29 — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:25:28 -0000

Exactly. One character I find even more offensive than Madea is Mr. Brown. Here he is:

http://static.reelmovienews...

Now, he is a bubbling fool. Can't speak English properly and his speech and mannerisms are right out of minstrel shows. These same people on here calling me a highfalutin negro would be calling for protests and writing letters boycotting products if Brett Ratner or Ron Howard or any other white director created and directed this character. You can't tell me different.

People on here are giving Tyler a pass for this coonery bullshit simply because he's black.

Spike is right, period.

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rikyrah — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:03:17 -0000

EVENING OPEN THREAD IS UP

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rikyrah — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:30:17 -0000

I'm with you, Town. There's NO REASON why Perry should be alone. But, guess what, Perry was willing to put HIS MONEY WHERE HIS MOUTH IS. The rest of them aren't willing to roll their money and take a risk.

House of Payne started slow and has built itself pretty well. I used to tape it for me no-cable having sister, so I watched a great deal of it.

I have never seen his plays in person, and only seen part of a play on DVD - I don't think I'll ever go see his plays.

I think Spike is attacking him for the content, and who Tyler Perry is. I think there's sort of a intellectual snobbishness going on here. Spike is a serious guy who actually went to school. He thinks of film as craft; art almost. Spike is a 3rd generation Morehouse man, and went one of the top film schools in the country. And here comes a play guy thinking he's a filmmaker.

I remember Spike being harsh on the young man who did The Inkwell; told him that maybe he needed to go to school and actually LEARN filmmaking before he attempted another film. So, yes, I think it's the art part of it; the filmmaking part of it.

there is no doubt that Tyler Perry's audience was not being served, if they were, there would have been another Tyler Perry before Tyler Perry.

that said, I'm scared to death of Perry getting ' for Colored Girls'..I'll say it - I don't think he has the talent to do it justice, and for him to bastardize it and coon it would be unforgiveable.

I don't dislike Perry because he put his OWN money where his mouth is. I never ever would have thought the Black person to fund and build their own studio would be a Christian Play Producer from the 'Chitlin' Circuit'. I believe there are others, who could have pooled their money, if they had been serious about controlling the product. But, that takes entrpreneurial risk. They didn't need to start with their own material; they could have done it small, straight to videos, or coupled with a cable channel. Why hasn't anyone Black hooked up with BET or TVOne to produce 'Lifetime'ish movies based on the novels of successful Black writers? Start on the small screen and build it up. But, they haven't done it, so why blame Perry for making the risk -WITH HIS OWN MONEY?

Most of the fiction I read is by Black authors about Black people, with dimensions. these authors have a built in base. how come BET or TVOne haven't done a deal with Beverly Jenkins the same way that Lifetime has with Nora Roberts? Nobody is stopping them.

WHY is a show like LINCOLN HEIGHTS on ABC FAMILY? are you going to tell me that IT has a bigger audience than BET or TVOne.

look at all these smaller cable channels that have been producing ORIGINAL PROGRAMMING for forever and a day - how come BET or TVOne don't do the same?

the Nigerians have a THRIVING film industry, and nobody Black here has found a way to hook up with them?

Telemundo and Univision can run those telenovelas, -originally produced and advertised right here in the US ofA, and BET/TVOne can't do the same?

all I hear is excuses.

Perry PUT HIS MONEY WHERE HIS MOUTH IS. now, dislike him or not, his critics need to PONY UP.

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Town — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:29:29 -0000

Devante's breath looks like it could knock your heels off.

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Guns3000 — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:26:59 -0000

EXACTAMUNDO, we will degrade ourselves ALL DAY but let a white man do it and there is hell to pay. You have educated negroes on this board saying TPs movies are good and we are overrreacting. If Madea was made by a white man there would be petitions everywhere in the black blogosphere. And then some peeps on this board are screaming about racism and stereotypes every chance they get. They should be ashamed of themselves.

If a Jewish director made a movie perpetuating Jewish stereotypes he would shunned
If a Hispanic director made a movIe perpetuating Hispanic stereotypes he would shunned.
If a Black director makes a movie perpetuating black stereotypes not only is he not shunned he is APPLAUDED by black people. SMH

And I'm supposed to support TP because "he used his own money" and it's a "black business." Nonsense, that's the same logic black rappers use to call black women BITCHES AND HOES on records. "You are stopping a black man from getting paid" BULLSHIT. PAID AT WHAT COST?

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Mothsmoke — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:21:27 -0000

I'd hope that the President would work to get some of this rolled back, but that was certainly wishful thinking. Presidents are loathe to rollback executive power.

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carolinagirl — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:20:27 -0000

Hey msmartin! Good to see you!

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carolinagirl — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:18:53 -0000

Have y'all seen this foolishness?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Jodeci and H-Town need to hang it up! SMH. Devonte's all cracked out w/ meth-head teeth. Sad...

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Guns3000 — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:17:52 -0000

Webb, is that all you got? "If you knew your history" I never called Spike the father of anything. Reading is fundamental. I'm sure the illiteracy rates among Tyler Perry fans are a lot higher since they find humor in black in folks shucking and bucking so much.

Thanks for the Melvin Van Peebles background. I'm sure Melvin busted his ass so TP could come along and make these soul-planish type of movies. If you are trying to dismiss a 20 year career making classics(Jungle Fever, Malcolm X, When the Levees Broke, etc) to some in the closet director who makes a handful of movies WITH THE SAME DAMN CHARACTER and the same buffonish slapstick shtick there really is no point having this debate. No big deal though right. HE'S GETTIN PAID NIGGA. CHA CHING. You know what they say in Hollywood. If blackman needs a hit you know what does? Put on a dress. Maybe for the next one TP he can borrow one out of your closet?

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rikyrah — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:08:08 -0000

not yet.

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msmartin — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:06:30 -0000

Have you ever seen a Tyler Perry "movie"?

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msmartin — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:03:38 -0000

"By the way, somebody should tell Spike Lee that real coonery is running to the media to hate on another black man who is just trying to do their own thing. Seriously."

I could not have said it better myself.

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Guest — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:02:21 -0000

say it again!

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Webb — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:55:22 -0000

This has nothing to do with "Disagreeing with another black person." This has everything to do with when, where and how you disagree with another black person...in public or private.

Anytime a black person puts on a show for the sake of Massa (or the MSM), it's a shucking/jiving Coon Show.

What happens when Spike goes on Morning Joe again? You think that THIS shyt is NOT going to come up? Will he shy away from it, or will he retailate and call Tyler a coon in front of a grinning Joe and Mika? How will he react? Remains to be seen.

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CPL — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:42:09 -0000

Don't forget Gordon Parks - he was more than just an Award winning photographer. While he's known for his connection to "Shaft", he also made that wonderful movie, "The Learning Tree", which was a semi autobiography of Parks' own growing up in the segregated Midwest.

As you rightfully put it, Melvin Van Peebles, along with Gordon Parks, paved the way for the Spike Lees and Tyler Perrys, so they both owe a debt of gratitude to Van Peebles and Parks.