DISQUS

Jack and Jill Politics: AYFKM Hillary? !@!# Yes We Will????

  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    Oh trust me, I totally understand the Hillary hate. She is just vile on ten different levels. I have gone from being able to grudingly vote for her if she won the nomination, to now...NO.


    I'll write Obama's name in. I'll vote for some obscure third party candidate. I'll vote for McCain if I have to, but no way does a Democrat get to act like Karl Rove and get rewarded with my vote.



    I think that is her strategy, by the way. She feels she can backhand a good majority of the electorate now, and we will come back to her in November because we feel she is the "only choice".



    NOT. ME.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    Well, I see the strategy behind it:


    "Yes, we can" speaks to someone having the ABILITY to do something, but it doesn't say that they can actually do it.



    "Yes, we will" says that there's no question that a goal will be reached, or a mission accomplished.



    It's dumb to steal the slogan, but I kinda see why she did.
  • Ms. Ki · 1 year ago
    I am losing respect by leaps and bounds for the Clinton machine. I don't understand how a candidate can become everything she states she despises in an effort to win. I too have made the decision that come November, if Obama did not secure the nomination, I will write in his name, vote Green, or cast a ballot for the crypt keeper.
  • Webb · 1 year ago
    This has been my reaction too, "AYFSB!" It's amazing...I can be all calm and placid one moment, then when I concentrate on all of the Clinton's BS fear tactics - "false hopes and fairy tales," my response is the same...I'm LIVID.
  • Rhonda M. Smith · 1 year ago
    Lol...that was funny.


    Hillary has stolen lines from various people...she's the greatest hyprocrite of all time. And its funny how she always talks about outsourcing jobs when it was her own husband who did it. Whether she supported it or not, much of what she is running on is her husbands legacy and that is a part of her husband's legacy.



    She is truly desperate at this point. This is just another act of desperation. We should all play it no mind. Its just another way to distract us from her sinking ship.



    P.S. Everytime I see a Clinton rally, there is somebody with their sign upside down, it keeps happening. It isn't a serious issue but it bothers me. It happens all of the time.
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    Don't vote for McCain he's no better.
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    ms. ki said...


    "I don't understand how a candidate can become everything she states she despises in an effort to win."



    ::



    It's called being corrupted by power. It's called the means justify the ends. It's called self-absorption.



    Shall I go on?
  • Ms. Ki · 1 year ago
    @craig hickman - keep going...I guess I don't understand how she doesn't expect us to notice.
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    I generally post on the 'net as PTCruiser but I'm posting anonymously here because I'm traveling. I am glad to read the reactions of folks here and elsewhere to the Clinton campaign's most recent effort to discredit Barack Obama.


    One of the object lessons that we should draw from this incident is that so-called liberals like Hillary and Bill Clinton have use for black people only insofar as we can serve to assist them in fulfilling their own goals. As far as they are concerned, African Americans can have no independent organizations, movements or thinking that is not tied to promoting their needs. Their desires and wishes are paramount and our collective task is to continually place ourselves at their disposal.



    We are, in their view, simply a "fertile field for exploitation", as Ralph Ellison wrote. Although Obama is not running for the president of Black America, it is important that we recognize that his candidacy represents a rare opportunity to create a new political consensus within the black electorate. Obama's campaign has shown, for example, that young blacks who are thinking about running for office do not need to kowtow to the usual coterie of gatekeepers both within and outside of our community.
  • DanielleClarke · 1 year ago
    Never would i vote for Hillary. She has lied and mis-charachterized Barack Obama to such a degree she looks stupid. She wants to steal pledged delegates and coerce super delegates and change rules in Florida and Michigan and she just has no decency or respect.
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    ms. ki, Hillary is too self-absorbed (read: stupid) to realize what she's doing. She claims he's not going to be able to stand up to the Republican attacks so we should vote for her.


    Maybe he won't.



    But if he prevails in spite of her own campaign's flatout nastiness, then she will have set to stage for him to prove that he can.



    She's too blinded to see it.



    I wasn't ever going to vote for her presidential campaign.



    Not ever.
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    This YouTube clip is most interesting to me because nobody laughed when she did the fainting voter shtick.


    She's too blinded to even know that her audience didn't come to see her perform theatrical satire about Obama's rallies, they came to see her.



    Desperate people do stupid things.
  • Big Man · 1 year ago
    Yo, this is one shady woman. Seriously, she is banking on black people's compulsion to vote Democrat. She has to be. Otherwise, she wouldn't be doing all this crazy stuff.


    Not me. I won't vote for her. I touched on it over at my blog.



    http://ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com/2008/02/dirty-tricks.html
  • ac · 1 year ago
    I don't know why I am dumbfounded with each new low to which the Clinton machine sinks. Am I the only one who, however briefly, wonders if there isn't some other plausible rational explaination.


    On seeing this I was schoked then livid and then I wondered, is she self-sabotaging? Does she see some way of saving face in being able to claim later that her strategy failed her, her staff was ineffective...rather than acknowledging that she was beaten fair and square?



    But then I come to my senses and the cold realization that this is Hakim's (sp?) razor in action: the simpliest explaination tends to be the correct one. So yes Virginia, these people really DO think we are all that damn stupid. Damn.
  • justice58 · 1 year ago
    "Yes we will see through your bullshit.
    Yes we will turn the page on your race-baiting politics of division.

    Yes we will vote against your lazy, unoriginal, hypocritical, shameless, tired ass".

    -----------------------------------

    ahahahahahahaha



    Say it! You're so right. Her lazy thieving @ss can't even come up with her own d%mn campaign slogan & have the audacity to slam Obama when she's doing the same thing. How sorry is that!



    Drop out of the race Hillary! You can't even manage your own campaign, you loser. You f'd up all that money!
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    "And its funny how she always talks about outsourcing jobs when it was her own husband who did it. Whether she supported it or not, much of what she is running on is her husbands legacy and that is a part of her husband's legacy."


    Well, according to the following article she did support it:



    Unions Press Clinton on Outsourcing Of U.S. Jobs

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/07/AR2007090702780.html



    Why hasn't Obama called her out on this???
  • CM · 1 year ago
    "Clinton noted that Obama and Patrick share a strategist, David Axelrod, "who is apparently putting words in both of their mouths." She added: "I think that's a serious concern."" http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/02/clint..., that's really offensive. Obama better put this to rest. I know it's politics, but she's making me sick.
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    Obama didn't invent "Yes, We Can." It is just a bastardization of the United Farm Worker's Union rally of "Si, Se Puede" which he has been coopting too. He's so unoriginal that he steals the English and Spanish version and you people think he's original.
  • Webb · 1 year ago
    @anon, Congrats!


    You caught Obama using the words of another close friend, The United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW) who HAVE ENDORSED BARACK OBAMA...just like he has shared ideas with Deval Patrick WHO HAS ENDORSED BARACK OBAMA...



    So anon, you won't have to worry about any copyright infringement suits from either of these friendly parties...U can just chill...till the next episode.



    Stump speeches are not dissertations where every source must be cited parenthetically...stump speeches are stump speeches.
  • justice58 · 1 year ago
    5:47


    But yet the people keep voting for him! Imagine that!



    To the White House, Barack & Family goes!
  • justice58 · 1 year ago
    Barack Obama Wins Wisconsin!


    Woo Hoo!
  • Nita · 1 year ago
    Clintons ain't gonna drop out. Clintons are going to make hell for the Obamas -- watch. And I hate to say it, but I can totally see the Edwards giving them an assist.


    If Obama gets the nomination, the Clintons will sabotage him right up through the actual election. Mark it down. If they can't have the nomination and presidency, nobody will -- party be damned.
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    >> MAMMY GOES TO WASHINGTON?
    >> BY MELISSA HARRIS-LACEWELL | TheRoot.com

    >>

    >> Feb. 8, 2008-There's been a lot of talk about women and

    >> their choices since Super Tuesday, when African American

    >> women overwhelmingly voted for Sen. Barack Obama, while

    >> white women picked Sen. Hillary Clinton. Some pundits

    >> automatically concluded that "race trumped gender" among

    >> black women. I hate this analysis because it relegates black

    >> women to junior-partner status in political struggles. It is

    >> not that simple. A lot of people have tried to gently

    >> explain the divide, so I'm just going to put this out there:



    >> Sister voters have a beef with white women like Clinton that

    >> is both racial and gendered. It is not about choosing race;

    >> it is about rejecting Hillary's Scarlett O'Hara act.

    >>

    >> Black women voters are rejecting Hillary Clinton because her

    >> ascendance is not a liberating symbol. Her tears are not

    >> moving. Her voice does not resonate. Throughout history,

    >> privileged white women, attached at the hip to their

    >> husband's power and influence, have been complicit in black

    >> women's oppression. Many African American women are simply

    >> refusing to play Mammy to Hillary.

    >>

    >> The loyal Mammy figure, who toiled in the homes of white

    >> people, nursing their babies and cleaning and cooking their

    >> food, is the most enduring and dishonest representation of

    >> black women. She is a uniquely American icon who first

    >> emerged as our young country was trying to put itself back

    >> together after the Civil War. The romanticism about this

    >> period is a bizarre historical anomaly that underscores

    >> America's deep racism: The defeated traitors of the

    >> Confederacy have been allowed to reinterpret the war's

    >> battles, fly the flag of secession over state houses, and

    >> raise monuments to those who fought to tear down the

    >> country. Southern white secessionists were given the power

    >> to rewrite history even as America's newest citizens were

    >> relegated to forced agricultural peonage, grinding urban

    >> poverty and new forms segregation and racial terror. Mammy

    >> was a central figure in this mythmaking and she was perfect

    >> for the role. The Mammy myth allowed Americans in the North

    >> and South to ignore the brutality of slavery by claiming

    >> that black women were tied to white families through genuine

    >> bonds of affection. Mammy justified past enslavement and

    >> continuing oppression.

    >>

    >> Privileged, Southern white women were central in creating

    >> and propagating the Mammy myth. In 1923, the United

    >> Daughters of the Confederacy were nearly successful in

    >> lobbying Congress to erect a statue on federal land to

    >> honor "the memory of the faithful colored mammies of the

    >> South." The desire to memorialize Mammy reveals how Southern

    >> white women reveled in the subordinate role of their darker

    >> peers. These black women were vulnerable to the sexual and

    >> labor exploitation of slaveholders and household employers.

    >> These women masked their true thoughts and personalities in

    >> order to gain a modicum of security for themselves and their

    >> families.

    >>

    >> The Mammy monument was meant to display black women as the

    >> faithful, feisty, loyal servants of white domesticity. In

    >> the face of the Mammy myth, real black women spoke for

    >> themselves against the monument. It was substantial,

    >> sustained, opposition from organized African American women

    >> and the black press that killed the Mammy monument proposal.

    >>

    >> Media have cast the choice in the current election as a

    >> simple binary between race and gender. But those who claim

    >> that black women are ignoring gender issues by voting for

    >> Barack just don't get it. Hillary cannot have black women's

    >> allegiance for free. Black women will not be relegated to

    >> the status of supportive Mammy, easing the way for

    >> privileged white women to enter the halls of power.Black

    >> feminist politics is not simple identity politics. It is not

    >> about letting brothers handle the race stuff or about

    >> letting white women dominate the gender stuff.The black

    >> women's fight is on all fronts.

    >>

    >> Sisters resist the ways that black male leaders try to

    >> silence women's issues and squash women's leadership. At the

    >> same time, black women challenge white women who want to

    >> claim black women's allegiance without acknowledging the

    >> realities of racism. They will not be drawn into any simple

    >> allegiance that refuses to account their full humanity and

    >> citizenship.Black women want out of the war.Black women need

    >> health insurance. Black women need decent schools for their

    >> children. Black women need a strong economy that creates

    >> jobs. Black women need help caring for their aging parents.

    >> Black women want a Democratic win in the fall. Sisters chose

    >> Barack on Tuesday because they believe he can deliver these

    >> things and that is much more empowering than just having a

    >> woman in the White House.

    >>

    >> "Comfort is the enemy of achievement" - Farrah Gray

    >>
  • brownsugaQT86 · 1 year ago
    Thank You Melissa Harris-Lacewell, I couldn't say it any better. I often speak on those issues and many dont seem to get it. The media has completely managed to distort the complex identities and experiences of black women in this country. The political pundits that they bring to discuss the issue are oblivious. Its not either or with us, its a complex interplay of both. Both of which have defined our experiences and identities. We cannot seperate ourselves into two halves as the media has tried to portray it. When white women where able to get social mobility, it was the sisters who took care of their children so that they could go into the workplace. Gloria Steneim claims that the evil of sexism is greater than that of race yet conveniently leaves out in her analysis, the actualities of our nations history and also the plight of black women. White women are very protected and they sit on the comfortable bed of white privelege. Their husbands, fathers, brothers, uncles, grandfathers and sons are the ones with the power. They like Hillary Clinton ride the coattails of their husband benefits. They have a seat at the table while many are locked out. Meanwhile the sisters who have a different experience and existence must some how identify with them. I dont think so.


    Hillary Clinton may break the class ceiling for herself but she will not be breaking it for us.
  • Rhonda · 1 year ago
    By the way did anyone catch Deval Patrick on Good Morning America (I beleive it was) with Diane Sawyer?


    Its a no issue. It was pretty entertaining. It was obvious that he was not taking her seriously with the whole plagarism thing. I actually think that it was pretty embarassing for the Clinton campaign.
  • Rhonda · 1 year ago
    There is also some good footage of Hillary stealing lines from John Edwards without giving him credit!!
  • jstele · 1 year ago
    Deval Patrick said, "I asked Obama to use my words."


    http://youtube.com/watch?v=qEQxQUkhkVI