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Re: Beware of Clinton Opportunists!

msmartin — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:23:51 -0000

I hope they don't think the base is that stupid.... well, maybe some of them are.

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GreenLadyHere — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:41:08 -0000

Karmi: Yep!

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GreenLadyHere — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:32:20 -0000

Shazza: I made a similar observation 1 day ago! Will NEVER TRUST "that woman-Billary"!!

Re: Beware of Clinton Opportunists!

Michelle — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:51:47 -0000

I don't feel the need to donate to his campaign anymore.

oooh the drama of the public blog declaration of "I am no longer contributing to Senator Obama's campaign"! It is so moving.

*shrug*

Every time I read that someone publicly declaring on a blog they are pulling their donations from Senator Obama's campaign, I am glad for my decision, based on these exact kinds of public declarations, to donate monthly now, whatever amount I can, instead of every so often (not every month by any stretch) like I did before.

I'm sure, from what I have seen and heard, that I am not the only one who has decided to respond to this over the top FISA-drama with increased support to try to balance out the people who are making these public declarations.

Plus which, my take is that people who are doing what I am doing aren't as into making dramatic public declarations on blogs about it and are probably more into just doing it -- I could be wrong, but there seems to be some value in the public donation-pullers of Teh Public Blog Declaration! as part of the generation of self-righteously rich drama.

So I haven't said anything on blogs about my decision until now, and I likely won't say anything again. But this is getting on my nerves, the smug self-righteous "look at me! look at meeee! I'm pulling my moneeee" public blog declaration ritual that IMO has little to no actual strategic value in relation to having an actual impact on the direction of Senator Obama's campaign.

I don't have a lot of money to give, so maybe the ones publicly blog-declaring they are pulling donations are richer than me. I don't know, some certainly seem to be pretty well-off to me, talking all about $100 at a time when most of the time I can only do around $10-$20 at a time. But still. I hope somehow it all balances out.

Also, I want to say this: If ever I get to the point where I have decided for sure that will no longer financially support Senator Obama, I will just -- do it. If ever I get to the point where I have decided for sure that I will not vote for him, I will just -- do it.

If such a situation happens for me, I will communicate my decisions directly to the campaign itself as feedback. However, I will not use blog comments to communicate on those kinds of decisions.

There is too much room on blogs for the creation of false drama and bullshit, and also too much structural support for the creation of personas and thus use of psy-op type tactics.

Re: Beware of Clinton Opportunists!

lh — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:34:36 -0000

Here's a new take:

Maybe by voting against the FISA bill, Obama is opening the door for a Clinton vice-presidency by making it "easier" for his netroots supporters to support Clinton on the ticket more.

Re: Beware of Clinton Opportunists!

Karmi — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:25:56 -0000

Hillary did a "submarine" move on Obama yesterday with her FISA vote.

Originally, both Hillary and Obama voted for cloture. However, Hillary changed her vote before the tally closed, opposing cloture and supporting a filibuster. A little later, she voted against the FISA reform — only one of 28 votes against — while Obama voted for its passage.

Hillary is playing to the Dem base...

Re: Beware of Clinton Opportunists!

Sepia — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:34:35 -0000

I believe that was totally planned.

It's really sickening how HRC is doing. In the past, people have told me how dirty the Clintons were but I didn't believe them. I do now.

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Sepia — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:24:11 -0000

AMEN!!

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Shazza — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:19:13 -0000

Yes, I noticed that her 'internet liason' took the time to post Hillary's explanation of her FISA vote on Daily Kos and Two Quarters. Most of the posters commended her and expressed buyer's remorse over Obama. There were quite a few expressing hope that this will come up at the convention and make HER the nominee. Considering her diary was posted on a few netroots places, some wondered if this wasn't a way to swing things her way and encourage the PUMA way of thinking. Someone even said she'd hired a lawyer for her campaign. I'd like to say I'm surprised but I'm not.

Re: Beware of Clinton Opportunists!

CPL — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:23:02 -0000

And Chris Dodd. That man never got the coverage he deserved during the campaign; neither did Dennis Kucinich or John Edwards for that matter.

The MSM gave us the candidates we got. And I haven't forgiven Hillary for her race-baiting, and if Obama ponies up payola for the buckshot she took aim at him with during the primary - much worse, if he puts her on the ticket as VP (cause that has to be the reason the Hillary camp is starting to rise up again) - that, plus his FISA vote and his flipping on Iraq, may well be enough to tank his campaign and allow McCain to win a race he should lose in a landslide.

The Democratic Party is the only political party I know that can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Somehow, when the analysis is done, you're going to find out that the DLC operatives forced their way right back into this campaign to continue their losing ways and record of having Bill Clinton as the only candidate they ever got elected. Gore and Kerry started listening to the DLC when they should have told them to go to hell. Neither one got the White House, and Obama's hiring ex-Clinton staffers is signaling he's going the same route and hoping for a different outcome.

That's called INSANITY, by the way.

Re: Beware of Clinton Opportunists!

DerVandernderyid — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:41:30 -0000

I'm so glad that Obama voted for the FISA bill.

Now that he took a big fat deuce on the 4th Amendment, I don't feel the need to donate to his campaign anymore. More money for me. Less money for bald-faced liars.

But ya, Hillary doesn't care about FISA. It's just a chance for her to score some cheap points. The only person in the Senate that actually cares a damn about civil liberties is Russ Feingold.

Re: Beware of Clinton Opportunists!

micheline — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:12:07 -0000

This is about getting back at Obama. Her donors feel that Obama was responsible for HRC's situation.

Re: Beware of Clinton Opportunists!

Francis L. Holland — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:28:52 -0000

I can't believe we've got Clinton supporters in the newspapers saying that Barack Obama should pay off her campaign debt! What for? She spent six months taking potshots at him and now she think he should pay for the birdshot? I repeat, what for?

If Clinton had so many wealthy donors that they could threaten Nancy Pelosi to cut off funds for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the surely she can find a way to launder that same money to pay off her debts from her anti-Obama campaign!

I gave $25.00 to Clinton eighteen months ago. If she wants any more, she's gonna have to . . . oh well, this is a family blog!

Re: Beware of Clinton Opportunists!

Teacher — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:53:57 -0000

Over on Huffpo they are talking about this too. There is one of her groups, PUMA or, Party Unity My Ass, saying that only 175 delegates stand between her and the nomination. If she can get some of the uncommitted and a few of his to swing for her, she can take it. I'm sure phone calls are being made to see if she can get the support. I also think that this is part of the reason she is having a hard time retiring her debt. Everyone knows that her campaign is only suspended, and can be unsuspended at the drop of a hat (at the convention). Let's see if she is going to bet the farm. The drama continues....

Re: Beware of Clinton Opportunists!

msmartin — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:42:50 -0000

I wish they would design some Obama summer tanks - I would buy three.

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CraigHickman — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:36:41 -0000

b-serious, that HuffPo writer is off her rocker.

Anybody who has some spare change who supports Barack needs to put up.

Re: Beware of Clinton Opportunists!

CraigHickman — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:35:11 -0000

You can say that again.

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GreenLadyHere — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:31:41 -0000

I am so agreeing!!! :>)

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GreenLadyHere — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:30:03 -0000

Msmartin: Co-signing BIG TIME. I just made a post [somewhere :>)] that billary's vote was a ploy to set herself up for the DNC Convention. She can then say that she voted the Party li(n)e, so "Pick me! "Pick me"! A snake is a snake is a billary!!!

Re: Beware of Clinton Opportunists!

msmartin — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:03:41 -0000

OKAY!!!!!!!

Why didn't MSM bring up this point while they rammed her 18 million supporters down the country's throat? Seems so clear to me.

Re: Beware of Clinton Opportunists!

Plantsmantx — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:00:37 -0000

Exactly, taritac. Not only that, but not even two months ago, a lot of these same Clinton dead-enders were carping at Obama for supposedly being too far to the left.

Re: Beware of Clinton Opportunists!

Town — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:00:14 -0000

Why can't the 18 million hard working white Americans donate a dollar each to her campaign? She'd have that debt retired in no time!

Re: Beware of Clinton Opportunists!

taritac — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:50:50 -0000

It's so strange to me. If she has such a strong base of support, why aren't her supporters paying off her debt? Can't even 1 million of the 17 million who voted for her scrape together $10 each?

Re: Beware of Clinton Opportunists!

Sombody_took_my_username — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:49:09 -0000

Obama originally said he didn't expect people donating 25 dollars to retire Hillary's debt. I don't blame contributors for being resentful. Barack needs to focus on the fight of his life, not on the past, and Hillary's self-inflicted debt. And, I know she and her surrogates are still working the angles behind the scenes.

Re: Beware of Clinton Opportunists!

taritac — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:47:54 -0000

Any notion that Clinton is somehow a progressive candidate is pure fantasy. The whole primary season she was pandering to the right side of the Democratic party.

Yes, lots of misguided Clinton supporters will be pushing for a coup, but the FISA issue is not even a little bit the issue to get superdelegates to switch. The FISA bill didn't pass itself. It had plenty of help from the superdelegates themselves.