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I could not have said it better, but I think you are preaching to the choir among your regulars, here.
I am frustrated when I read people saying that they'll hold their nose and vote for Clinton anyway despite everything.
You know the parallels are funny and one day last year I realized it. The DNC and the democratic establishment uses the same "fear" tactics as the Republicans.
Instead of saying terrorists are coming to kill us, they say that if we don't vote for Democrats, Republicans will still our freedoms...and send us to wars (basically killing us) *lol*
I know it's not funny but just thinking about how both parties in many ways are one in the same is...well I don't know what to say...it's just fucked up!
All I can say to anybody out there is to please heed Jack's and other's words. Do not give in to the disrespect and neglect the Democratic party has been showing their black constituents for a long , long time.
No it's not enough to say you smoked weed (but didn't inhale), play the saxophone, kiss a black baby and cheat on your wife then let nearly 1 million African's DIE!
To pass all sorts of law's that fly in the face of the people you claim to also be representing in this country.
Guess what...the jig is up King and Queen Clinton.
Do not let the DNC and Clinton's steal our souls along with our votes!
-Noelani
That was really bugging me!
We've been like the trees that nobody heard falling until now.
I think the other point that should be made is that we are not the only group that has been outraged by this process - there are many people of all races who have said they will not vote for Hillary after her vicious, unethical campaign.
I still think that the DNC let this thing go way too far. The seed has been planted and Obama will struggle to regain his composure. Undoubtedly, there will still be some disgruntled Hillary supporters who will not support Obama if he is given the nomination and I just can't see how Hillary and Bill would support Obama. It was way to personal for them. So much so, that they were willing to alienate large groups of voters.
I hope they don't try an Obama ticket with Hillary as Veep. I won't vote for that ticket either. I will not vote for her under any circumstances.
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Yes and blacks will fall in line, always do. No one is seriously worried about that. Joyner is already starting to get blacks in line to not only vote for Clinton on a ticket but to vote for her at the top of the ticket. He is starting to get you all in line on his blog and his show. Roland will get in the game eventually too. They will fall in line and get the rest of you to fall in line. All of the bluster doesn't mean anything when we know you will always fall in line, you always have and you always will. Thanks!
Most probably will; however a LOT of us Absolutely will NOT! The young
voters and the independents also will
NOT!
One thing I've noticed in various states across the country with significant Black populations, are younger 35 and 40-something men and women who have gotten up the gumption to contest some of the "fixture" elected officials within the Congressional Black Caucus. A young(er) man here in Atlanta named Markel Hutchins is going to be challenging John Lewis; a young(er) man in New York--I think Powell is his name--is going to be challenging Charlie Rangel, I think. And there are others in various states where the younger generation has determined that Black political capital has lost its interest, influence and respect.
New leaders like Corey Booker, Duval Patrick, Harold Ford, Jr., Jesse Jackson, Jr. and many others, are now seeking to replace those older "leaders" so accustomed to leading with their heads down and their hands out. These new leaders appear to be willing to remind the Black gentry that they're powerful; don't need the blessings of certain white people; and can and should demand more.
When these new leaders are recognized as being at the forefront, we won't have to be as frustrated and angry with a political party that treats us as they do. Or a national media that goes along with it.
I think they are waiting to see how much damage has been inflicted on Obama's candidacy because of 'Bittergate' and Rev. Wright. Will another issue emerge? Another shoe drop? It truly will not be known until all of the primaries are over.
Like it or not, white blue collar voters and white men in general, will be the key voting demographic for the general election. How Obama performs with this group will be key to capturing the nomination.
Right now, this is all being weighed and analyzed by the DNC and Dem leadership.
Is the DNC raising the question now as a trial balloon? To see how black voters react? To see just how black voters will voice their disappointment if Obama does not get the nomination?
There definitely is a generational power struggle going on inside the party.
The question is, how will Obama seek to include and unite the 'old guard' both black and white, within the party?
The biggest 'change' he is proposing is the change within the party itself.
This is all 'behind the scenes' now. Superdelegates, like it or not will select the nominee, not the voters. The voters are being used to 'make the case' for electability to the superdelegates.
Obama case has been hurt. Will he make a comeback?
Great post!
I was struck by this line as well:
"Democratic National Committee officials acknowledge that there could be some falloff of African-American voters if Obama isn't the nominee. Still, Karen Finney, a DNC spokeswoman, said the party expects African Americans -- frustrated by the war in Iraq, the sagging economy and high gasoline prices -- to go to the polls in their usual numbers when they compare whomever the Democratic nominee is with McCain."
Might I remind Ms. Finney that this same option also applies to all of those working class white voters everyone keeps talking about. Yet no one's telling them to just suck it up and fall in line.
Ms. Finney's reasoning is EXACTLY why I never registered as a Democrat. I've been an Independent since I was 18 and comments like hers tell me I'll be an Independent for much longer.
Also, props to Jack for saying, "This is a test, my people. It's one of those moments where we get to ask ourselves just what are we worth."
So true. . . so true!
Blacks don't even have to stay home en masse for Hillary to lose in November. The past few elections have been extremely polarizing and have been decided by razor thin margins in a single swing state. All that needs to happen is black turnout is down by a few points in the major city of that state and McCain will win it. It's just that simple. We don't have to stay home in large numbers---we just have to depress our turnout a few percentage points in Philly or Cleveland and she is toast.
So superdelegates had best step correct. If the DNC doesn't think what I've outlined is a completely plausible and realistic possibility then they really have lost their natural minds.
Both posts appear to be Clintonian support cleverly disguised as objective questions.
Barack isn't making a "comeback" because there's nothing or no where to come "back" from.
As far as super delegates not "uniting" behind him ... again, more spin for the uninitiated. The reality is that super delegates are leaving Clinton and joining in favor of Obama. See Letter from Joe Andrew
Finally, these white voters who supposedly can't be "won" by Barack, don't matter. Yes. I said it. These "under-no-circumstance" white bigots don't deserve to be appealed to; they don't deserved to be reached out to; they don't deserve to be woo'ed. They only deserve the sorry, bitter and unfulfilled lives that they've made for themselves. They aren't worth the trouble.
You know I love you. You know my stance on this. Black folk on the ground are WAYYY out of in front of this issue and the so-called elite just better jump on board or get run over.
The thing is, Obama's WHITE supporters? There is no conflict for them. NONE. It's not even in their minds to pull the lever for her.
Black folk better wake up.
I have been mulling this as the months go on and even up to a few weeks ago I wasn't able to bring myself to the ultimate "hell no" decision. I kept thinking on the whole Supreme Court and no McCain arguments and putting off my growing fury and disgust.
I've said in the past how the Dems only wake up and actively courts its minority base at election time and the rest it's all "who? oh yes, wait in line" but these past weeks have finally tipped the scales for me.
I'm not sitting out the general, no. My vote will be counted. What I will do, if it comes to that, is write in Obama. Having served as Minority Captain at my precinct I know all too well that even if your dumbass writes in "Yosemite Sam" we have to write it down and count and record it.
If she steals this nomination, I want the Machine to count and record every vote lost by her her and not get to wave it off or just speculate that we wouldn't have voted anyway. Hell no. I want a record of just how many of us would have voted for him.
So that's my plan, I hope that I don't have to do it but if I do, I hope I'm far from alone.
"a young(er) man in New York--I think Powell is his name--is going to be challenging Charlie Rangel, I think."
Yea, its Kevin Powell who is actually running for a seat in Brooklyn. Ed Towns's seat (a Clinton Supporter).
"The thing is, Obama's WHITE supporters? There is no conflict for them. NONE. It's not even in their minds to pull the lever for her."
Yep. I'm not doing it. I'm not a Democrat, so these people who would unite around a jello mold if it had a "D" after its name hold no sway with me.
-John Edwards, where are you?
If Hillary should recieve the nomination [BECAUSE SHE HASN'T WON IT] the democratic party would be making it crystal clear through this whole primary process that they like republicans don't respect the peoples vote. But more importantly they don't respect my veiws or my vote.
SO TO HELL WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!
I agree. And it's why I stopped registering as a Dem. I got fed up with a party that needed Black folks for our vote, but didn't need us for our leadership.
And when someone like Barack comes along; and the party "leaders" screw him over in favor of placating a few ignorant white voters and white media; then I can vote against that party with a clear conscience.
Now, I believe that Barack is poised to win this thing. At the same time, I and millions of other Black voters are serving notice that we will not be accepting any -- ANY -- rationales, excuses or reasons for stealing the nomination.
I posted on this today too: http://www.glamour.com/news/blogs/glamocracy/20...>
Today progressive's may have found a voice inside the democratic party, but when the party know longer reflects the views of those who call themselve's progressive's...or excepts the will of those it represents then it's time to change party affilliation.
I made up my mind to do that a long time ago!!
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EXACTLY!
Right there. Just exactly.
Thank you.
Yes and blacks will fall in line, always do. No one is seriously worried about that. Joyner is already starting to get blacks in line to not only vote for Clinton on a ticket but to vote for her at the top of the ticket. He is starting to get you all in line on his blog and his show. Roland will get in the game eventually too. They will fall in line and get the rest of you to fall in line. All of the bluster doesn't mean anything when we know you will always fall in line, you always have and you always will. Thanks!
Speak for yourself. As I have mentioned in previous posts, I am an Independent that hasn't voted for a Democratic candidate for president since 1988. If Obama is left off the ticket becuase of shenanigans, the streak will then continue. Can't put it any simpler than that.
I'm looking forward to voting FOR someone in November, finally.