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Re: Big Media Finally Writes About What Black Folk Will Do If Clinton Steals The Nomination

jrcjr — Sat, 03 May 2008 00:28:00 -0000

white southerner here, and, just so you know, black folk won't be alone in staying home if clinton steals it. as painful as it would be not to vote against mccain, I just don't think the country will be well served by 4 years of hillary. better to have a real leader in the wh 4 years from now than a pretender for ONLY the next 4.

I'm looking forward to voting FOR someone in November, finally.

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heartsandflowers — Fri, 02 May 2008 23:37:00 -0000

We can vote Green Party.

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Kitty — Fri, 02 May 2008 19:16:00 -0000

Anonymous Fri May 02, 04:28:00 AM 2008

Yes and blacks will fall in line, always do. No one is seriously worried about that. Joyner is already starting to get blacks in line to not only vote for Clinton on a ticket but to vote for her at the top of the ticket. He is starting to get you all in line on his blog and his show. Roland will get in the game eventually too. They will fall in line and get the rest of you to fall in line. All of the bluster doesn't mean anything when we know you will always fall in line, you always have and you always will. Thanks!

Speak for yourself. As I have mentioned in previous posts, I am an Independent that hasn't voted for a Democratic candidate for president since 1988. If Obama is left off the ticket becuase of shenanigans, the streak will then continue. Can't put it any simpler than that.

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andyfrombrooklyn — Fri, 02 May 2008 19:11:00 -0000

dear jack and jill, this latte sippin white elitist will not vote if hillary somehow becomes the nominee. i know many people of my irregular person demo who are of like minds. it is not just blacks. i am really curious about why the polls are not picking this up. we will see. the mainstream media has little time for my demo and our elitist reasoning. but we exist and i think there are a lot of us in swing states. remember nader 2000?

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Michelle — Fri, 02 May 2008 17:18:00 -0000

@ B-Serious Might I remind Ms. Finney that this same option also applies to all of those working class white voters everyone keeps talking about. Yet no one's telling them to just suck it up and fall in line.

EXACTLY!

Right there. Just exactly.

Thank you.

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Anonymous — Fri, 02 May 2008 16:36:00 -0000

lolo,

I made up my mind to do that a long time ago!!

Against Race Politics

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francis — Fri, 02 May 2008 16:29:00 -0000

People need to understand that PROGRESSIVE does not mean DEMOCRAT. Teddy Rosevelt was a progressive within the republican party. [And left his party to form his own...]

Today progressive's may have found a voice inside the democratic party, but when the party know longer reflects the views of those who call themselve's progressive's...or excepts the will of those it represents then it's time to change party affilliation.

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Anonymous — Fri, 02 May 2008 15:37:00 -0000

Thank you, Baratunde. Well done as always.

I posted on this today too: http://www.glamour.com/news/blogs/glamocracy/20...>

Re: Big Media Finally Writes About What Black Folk Will Do If Clinton Steals The Nomination

Craig Hickman — Fri, 02 May 2008 12:24:00 -0000

If Hillary Rodham Nixon and her "white nigger" hating cohorts steal this nomination and every single Black person who supports Barack Obama doesn't go to the polls to WRITE IN HIS NAME on the November ballot, they will prove beyond all reasonable doubt that they remain slaves.

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Craig Hickman — Fri, 02 May 2008 12:12:00 -0000

Standing up and applauding furiously.

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Ronnie B — Fri, 02 May 2008 11:58:00 -0000

Yep. I'm not doing it. I'm not a Democrat, so these people who would unite around a jello mold if it had a "D" after its name hold no sway with me.

I agree. And it's why I stopped registering as a Dem. I got fed up with a party that needed Black folks for our vote, but didn't need us for our leadership.

And when someone like Barack comes along; and the party "leaders" screw him over in favor of placating a few ignorant white voters and white media; then I can vote against that party with a clear conscience.

Now, I believe that Barack is poised to win this thing. At the same time, I and millions of other Black voters are serving notice that we will not be accepting any -- ANY -- rationales, excuses or reasons for stealing the nomination.

Re: Big Media Finally Writes About What Black Folk Will Do If Clinton Steals The Nomination

francis — Fri, 02 May 2008 11:54:00 -0000

I'm voting republican if Hillary Clinton is given the nomination, and I incourage all black people in this country to do the same.
If Hillary should recieve the nomination [BECAUSE SHE HASN'T WON IT] the democratic party would be making it crystal clear through this whole primary process that they like republicans don't respect the peoples vote. But more importantly they don't respect my veiws or my vote.

SO TO HELL WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

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Admiral Komack — Fri, 02 May 2008 11:42:00 -0000

"I'm losing my patience with any undecided superdelegates or those who still support Clinton."

-John Edwards, where are you?

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carolinagirl — Fri, 02 May 2008 11:35:00 -0000

I find it funny now, that since this story is coming into the forefront, a lot of Senator Clinton supporters want to let cooler heads prevail. Where was this "concern" about cooler heads prevailing when the story was out about 20% or more of Clinton supporters not supporting Obama in November????????? Yeah, I thought so..... Ugh.

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Kat — Fri, 02 May 2008 11:29:00 -0000

rikyrah,

"The thing is, Obama's WHITE supporters? There is no conflict for them. NONE. It's not even in their minds to pull the lever for her."

Yep. I'm not doing it. I'm not a Democrat, so these people who would unite around a jello mold if it had a "D" after its name hold no sway with me.

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RhondaCoca — Fri, 02 May 2008 11:21:00 -0000

Ronnie B-

"a young(er) man in New York--I think Powell is his name--is going to be challenging Charlie Rangel, I think."

Yea, its Kevin Powell who is actually running for a seat in Brooklyn. Ed Towns's seat (a Clinton Supporter).

Re: Big Media Finally Writes About What Black Folk Will Do If Clinton Steals The Nomination

Lolo — Fri, 02 May 2008 11:01:00 -0000

Jack, Rikyrah, everyone else,

I have been mulling this as the months go on and even up to a few weeks ago I wasn't able to bring myself to the ultimate "hell no" decision. I kept thinking on the whole Supreme Court and no McCain arguments and putting off my growing fury and disgust.

I've said in the past how the Dems only wake up and actively courts its minority base at election time and the rest it's all "who? oh yes, wait in line" but these past weeks have finally tipped the scales for me.

I'm not sitting out the general, no. My vote will be counted. What I will do, if it comes to that, is write in Obama. Having served as Minority Captain at my precinct I know all too well that even if your dumbass writes in "Yosemite Sam" we have to write it down and count and record it.

If she steals this nomination, I want the Machine to count and record every vote lost by her her and not get to wave it off or just speculate that we wouldn't have voted anyway. Hell no. I want a record of just how many of us would have voted for him.

So that's my plan, I hope that I don't have to do it but if I do, I hope I'm far from alone.

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rikyrah — Fri, 02 May 2008 10:27:00 -0000

Jack,

You know I love you. You know my stance on this. Black folk on the ground are WAYYY out of in front of this issue and the so-called elite just better jump on board or get run over.

The thing is, Obama's WHITE supporters? There is no conflict for them. NONE. It's not even in their minds to pull the lever for her.

Black folk better wake up.

Re: Big Media Finally Writes About What Black Folk Will Do If Clinton Steals The Nomination

Ronnie B — Fri, 02 May 2008 10:08:00 -0000

anonymous and s,

Both posts appear to be Clintonian support cleverly disguised as objective questions.

Barack isn't making a "comeback" because there's nothing or no where to come "back" from.

As far as super delegates not "uniting" behind him ... again, more spin for the uninitiated. The reality is that super delegates are leaving Clinton and joining in favor of Obama. See Letter from Joe Andrew

Finally, these white voters who supposedly can't be "won" by Barack, don't matter. Yes. I said it. These "under-no-circumstance" white bigots don't deserve to be appealed to; they don't deserved to be reached out to; they don't deserve to be woo'ed. They only deserve the sorry, bitter and unfulfilled lives that they've made for themselves. They aren't worth the trouble.

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Webb — Fri, 02 May 2008 10:07:00 -0000

Finally.

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Anonymous — Fri, 02 May 2008 10:03:00 -0000

An excellent post! I will only add one thing...

Blacks don't even have to stay home en masse for Hillary to lose in November. The past few elections have been extremely polarizing and have been decided by razor thin margins in a single swing state. All that needs to happen is black turnout is down by a few points in the major city of that state and McCain will win it. It's just that simple. We don't have to stay home in large numbers---we just have to depress our turnout a few percentage points in Philly or Cleveland and she is toast.

So superdelegates had best step correct. If the DNC doesn't think what I've outlined is a completely plausible and realistic possibility then they really have lost their natural minds.

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B-Serious — Fri, 02 May 2008 09:43:00 -0000

Hey Jack,

Great post!

I was struck by this line as well:

"Democratic National Committee officials acknowledge that there could be some falloff of African-American voters if Obama isn't the nominee. Still, Karen Finney, a DNC spokeswoman, said the party expects African Americans -- frustrated by the war in Iraq, the sagging economy and high gasoline prices -- to go to the polls in their usual numbers when they compare whomever the Democratic nominee is with McCain."

Might I remind Ms. Finney that this same option also applies to all of those working class white voters everyone keeps talking about. Yet no one's telling them to just suck it up and fall in line.

Ms. Finney's reasoning is EXACTLY why I never registered as a Democrat. I've been an Independent since I was 18 and comments like hers tell me I'll be an Independent for much longer.

Also, props to Jack for saying, "This is a test, my people. It's one of those moments where we get to ask ourselves just what are we worth."

So true. . . so true!

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Anonymous — Fri, 02 May 2008 09:11:00 -0000

ronnie b,

There definitely is a generational power struggle going on inside the party.

The question is, how will Obama seek to include and unite the 'old guard' both black and white, within the party?

The biggest 'change' he is proposing is the change within the party itself.

This is all 'behind the scenes' now. Superdelegates, like it or not will select the nominee, not the voters. The voters are being used to 'make the case' for electability to the superdelegates.

Obama case has been hurt. Will he make a comeback?

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Fri, 02 May 2008 08:56:00 -0000

Why won't Democratic Party officials acknowledge that Obama's in the lead and unite around him?

I think they are waiting to see how much damage has been inflicted on Obama's candidacy because of 'Bittergate' and Rev. Wright. Will another issue emerge? Another shoe drop? It truly will not be known until all of the primaries are over.

Like it or not, white blue collar voters and white men in general, will be the key voting demographic for the general election. How Obama performs with this group will be key to capturing the nomination.

Right now, this is all being weighed and analyzed by the DNC and Dem leadership.

Is the DNC raising the question now as a trial balloon? To see how black voters react? To see just how black voters will voice their disappointment if Obama does not get the nomination?

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Ronnie B — Fri, 02 May 2008 08:51:00 -0000

Well written, Jack -- as always.

One thing I've noticed in various states across the country with significant Black populations, are younger 35 and 40-something men and women who have gotten up the gumption to contest some of the "fixture" elected officials within the Congressional Black Caucus. A young(er) man here in Atlanta named Markel Hutchins is going to be challenging John Lewis; a young(er) man in New York--I think Powell is his name--is going to be challenging Charlie Rangel, I think. And there are others in various states where the younger generation has determined that Black political capital has lost its interest, influence and respect.

New leaders like Corey Booker, Duval Patrick, Harold Ford, Jr., Jesse Jackson, Jr. and many others, are now seeking to replace those older "leaders" so accustomed to leading with their heads down and their hands out. These new leaders appear to be willing to remind the Black gentry that they're powerful; don't need the blessings of certain white people; and can and should demand more.

When these new leaders are recognized as being at the forefront, we won't have to be as frustrated and angry with a political party that treats us as they do. Or a national media that goes along with it.