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This is what responsible journalism should be about! Kudos to JJP!
"Next thing you know he's going to ask for you to vote for him because he doesn't steal cars."
That one still makes me mad. They all do, but that one cut right through it for me. Made me realize that Bill was truly out of his mind.
Bill Clinton is a narcissistic lying egomaniac. I saw his shenanigans coming a mile away.
He's a bitter, he's angry, he's unbearable.
You know, I'll admit that I was a big fan of WJC before this primary season, and before some of my more conservative friends tried to make me "see the light" so to speak. I don't know if WJC is a racist. What I do know is that he made several comments that made me uncomfortable and his failure to realize that fact, bother me. I'm still grasping for the connection between Jesse Jackson's and Obama's win in South Carolina other than on matters of race... But what really pushed me over the edge is in the last couple of weeks of HRC's campaign, he shouted to the rooftops that he wasn't a racist because Sen. Rangle told him he wasn't and his office was in Harlem. That's bullshit.
I've been there. I have said some racially insensitive things around a biracial friend and she called me out on it. I heard other Black people rationalize it by saying, oh, that's not offensive, we always say that. This type of rationalization is equally as offensive as what you originally said, so why not just acknowledge that you may have crossed the line and if you did so you are truly sorry.
The fact that WJC couldn't do this leads me to believe that he was playing racial politics. And maybe it is our fault too...some Black people sure thought it was funny that WJC was deemed the first Black president until this election season. Now we have some White people coming at us left and right about what it means to be Black and how Obama is "talking" and "acting" White. I can barely watch this coverage. Its disgusting.
Barack is about the most touchy-feely politician I've ever seen. He's so open with his physicality, he has no trouble hugging people.
These people have lost their damn minds.
Screw 'em.
These media shills are reaching.
He's too fit.
He gives purty speeches.
He's uppity.
What's next, he doesn't use French's mustard; he uses Grey Poupon?
Whew!! Shakin' her head Deep Breaths! :>)
I wish Bill would disappear from view and stay gone for a good long while.
Bill was always a megalomaniac, now you can add deranged. OMG....as for the Joe "dead intern" Skankboro and that despicable crew of his...headed by Pat "Southern Strategy" Nixon apologist Buchannan...they can.........well you know!
Take a bow. gotta run I am sure my boss is traking my web usage.
Just doesn't serve a 21st century world.
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Candidates' responses to CDC study reveal vastly different levels of commitment
Presidential candidates Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. John McCain both responded to this weekend's news that the U.S. AIDS epidemic is 40 percent larger than previously believed with statements vowing to take action against the epidemic. The Black AIDS Institute is heartened to know that both candidates are at least paying attention to this spiraling epidemic-a far cry from previous elections.
However, these statements again make clear that Sen. McCain has a long way to go to earn the votes of those who care about HIV/AIDS in America. While Sen. Obama repeated his pledge to draft and implement America's first national HIV/AIDS strategy, Sen. McCain again offered no specific commitments or proposals for how he will deal with the epidemic. He merely vows to "work closely" with all stakeholders.
Sadly, this seeming disinterest in the epidemic is not new for Sen. McCain. His record on AIDS vacillates between total disengagement and reactionary cant.
In fall 2007, the Black AIDS Institute joined a handful of AIDS watchdogs in reviewing all candidates' records and statements on AIDS. Sen. McCain's campaign has not to date offered a detailed AIDS platform. During his decades in the Senate, he has not meaningfully participated in AIDS policy formation other than to support poorly thought out bills that stigmatize people living with HIV.
Voters considering supporting Sen. McCain must demand that he take this epidemic more seriously and articulate meaningful proposals and specific commitments for dealing with it.
Sen. Obama, on the other hand, has vowed in his AIDS platform and in subsequent statements like yesterday's to draft a national strategy for dealing with the domestic epidemic. America wisely requires countries seeking foreign aid for their AIDS programs to first have a national plan of action, yet we have never had one of our own.
Sen. Obama's pledge is a welcome commitment. And should he become president we must all hold him accountable for following through on that commitment.
TEXT OF OBAMA AND MCCAIN STATEMENTS
Sen. Obama's statement:
"We have now learned that 56,300 new HIV infections occurred in the United States in 2006, not 40,000 that had been previously cited. These new figures should bring new focus to our efforts to address AIDS and HIV here at home.
"As president, I am committed to developing a National AIDS Strategy to decrease new HIV infections and improve health outcomes for Americans living with HIV/AIDS. Across the nation, we also need to prevent the spread of HIV and get people into treatment by expanding access to testing and comprehensive education programs. This report also demonstrates the need for more timely data about HIV transmission so that we can effectively evaluate prevention efforts.
"Combating HIV/AIDS also demands closing the gaps in opportunity that exist in our society so that we can strengthen our public health. We must also overcome the stigma that surrounds HIV/AIDS - a stigma that is too often tied to homophobia. We need to encourage folks to get tested and accelerate HIV/AIDS research toward an effective cure because we have a moral obligation to join together to meet this challenge, and to do so with the urgency this epidemic demands."
Sen. McCain's statement:
"The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) yesterday announced that in 2006 there were 56,300 new HIV infections in United States -- significantly higher than the previous estimate of 40,000 cases. More than a million Americans live with this devastating disease. As President, I will work closely with non-profit, government, and private sector stakeholders to continue the fight against HIV/AIDS. By focusing efforts on reducing drug costs through greater market competition, promoting prevention efforts, encouraging testing, targeting communities with high infection rates, strengthening research and reducing disparities through effective public outreach, we as a nation can make great progress in fighting HIV/AIDS."
The Black AIDS Institute is a 501(c)3 non- profit organization with a mission to end the AIDS pandemic in Black communities. The Institute interprets public and private sector HIV policies, conducts trainings, offers technical assistance, disseminates information and provides advocacy.
In the Black community, HIV/AIDS is the third leading cause of death amongst children, women and men aged 25-35; and the leading cause of death amongst women aged 24-34. As HIV/AIDS continues to devastate Black populations across our country, Heroes in the Struggle, our portrait exhibit and annual gala, gives us the opportunity to showcase examples of heroism from within our communities.
For opportunities to join us and support our Fundraising or Special Events, please visit our website at www.BlackAIDS.org or contact Jasmine Burnett at 213-353-3610 extension 116.
I think Barack is going to choose Bayh or Sebelius at this point. Both of them are do-no-harm and have cache in some swing states.
I hope he picks someone who's been on his side all along, which takes Bayh out of the equation. But I remember when that Indiana former DNC chair under Clinton endorsed Barack he suggested that Bayh be his VP back then, so we'll see...
But will he want to deal with the "how dare he snub Hillary!!!" backlash?
Who knows.
I'm afraid he's going to choose a white man. Out of left field.
I think Obama's military choosing of a VP died with Sen. Webb.
GEN Zinni I do respect.
So now the whole school is talking about how Billy hates Barry and that situation, while Johnny is sneaking into everyone's lunchbags stealing their sandwiches.
Bill Clinton is not going to ever get it as to how Billary Inc. was being racist in this campaign because both Bill and Hillary are incapable of admitting they are wrong. If Bill had just admitted he got a little something something from Monica underneath the Oval Office desk, he wouldn't have been impeached. Instead he wagged his finger at America and angrily informed us that he hadn't. had. sex. with that woman...Miss Lewinsky. It wasn't until he couldn't lie anymore that he told the truth but he took us through all those changes to get there.
I'd actually like to know exactly what went down between Clinton and Clyburn because he seems angrier at Clyburn than he is at Obama.
What disturbs me is how the black and brown delegates and what nots who defected were treated much more nastily than the white delegates who defected. I guess Billary Inc. really did think they were the overseers. LOL
LOL
That's why I'm bracing for the convention in three weeks.
The roll call vote with Clinton's name in nomination makes me nervous.
Even with the full knowledge that Billary sees the Democratic Party as a means to their ends, I have just absolutely had it with these two. The cult-like behavior from their Stans--which they've stoked--is beyond belief, and more than a little disturbing.
Bill put his oar the only local race in 2000... and it was against Obama, which he lost badly to Rush. (I have seen any write up about why Bill did it). Obama managed to get Bill back where he can never forgive or forget. Bill's grand apology for Hillary got laid to waste. That will probably fester with him forever.
With all due respect to Jesse, this is the real power game of the alpha male. O'bama shows he knows how the play the game, but more importantly he is not afraid to play the game! This man has definitely read "The Prince".
Now Rep. John Lewis?? Oh.....the day he got the tongue-lashing from every caller as he sat on V103 (ATL) trying to state why he was supporting Hillary was something to behold. It was even sadder when he finally said he was supporting Obama instead.....it was too little too late. He won his primary last week...but it wasnt pretty.
That "wait his turn crowd" turned my stomach.
You are correct, sir
Especially when the media gets their grubby paws on it.
"Gee, I guess Obama doesn't have confidence in the military; why else is Gen. Zinni his VP?
Maybe Robert Byrd wasn't a "racist" color-aroused individual back when he was a Klan leader. Maybe he was just a Klan leader because it was politically expedient at the time, as a way to jump start his political career. I'm not knocking Robert Byrd now, but I'm saying that if he told America, when he was a Klan leader, that he was not a "racist", that wouldn't have meant very much to many of us.
Why should I spend my time trying to psyche out what someone "is" when it is so much easier and more objective to document, as we have what someone has DONE, as in the case of the Clinton/Obama wiki and the color-aroused campaigning that ended in Clinton losing virtually every Black vote in the country.
Thank you so much for saying exactly this immediately after that nasty ugly I-have-no-words-for-it quote.
And for this entire post. Thank you.
It is so amazing how everywhere we turn when looking at MSM that there is ALWAYS this perpetual illusion that is floated globally that everyone in the Black community is ignorant with no independent thought process and begging to be accepted by white folk at whatever cost!
True enough there are those in the Black community who assimilate to what white American society has labeled to be "black people behavior" in order to succeed...but they are the exception NOT the rule and at their core even they know when they need to give white folk a reality check of what won't be tolerated.
Bill needs to get over his delusions of grandeur and accept the fact that the majority of the black community will NEVER FORGET him resorting to race baiting in order to win because it showed his true character and forever added him to the evergrowing list of other white folk who have done the same!
Whats Obama to do? If he defends Clinton's accusers his hopes of uniting his party, and subsequently winning the election, are dashed. If he attacks them he ends up "admitting" that Clinton's accusers, and by extension himself since he benefitted, are Sharptonesque. Both are losing cards.
The Clinton's are powerful. There's a huge swath of the democratic party that's simply not willing to admit that they played a southern strategy. They're ideologically bound to the notion that that is resricted to the Republicans, to Nixon and Reagan. Even those who have written extensively on southern strategies, like Paul Krugman, cannot bring themselves to make this admission, despite all the evidence, lest they end up admitting that much of what the VRWC said about the Clintons was right all along. Such an admission would undermine almost 2 decades of work. Its unthinkable.
The Clinton's know this and its in their best interest to keep the party divided. Obama must lose the general in order for them to reclaim the party and power. Thus, Clinton bought up racism all by himself, knowing it would hurt Obama. Howard Wolfson, Clinton old campaign manager, is on Foxnews now making Obama out to be a racial McCarthyist. Expect Gerry Ferraro to make a reappearance in the coming months.
This is precisely why party insiders wanted Clinton to quit the race when it became obvious she couldn't win. The Clintons scorched earth policy gives McCain cover to launch all sorts of attacks on Obama, and not be blamed for it--or even have dems defend him when he does it--b/c they originated from the Clintons. Obama as race baiter, as not fit to be commander in chief, as sexist, as out of touch with hard working white Americans, and finally as election steeler who lost the popular vote.
All these charges are false and incendiary. But still very dangerous territory for Obama.
But I'll disagree with you on the party insiders wanted her to quit the race because if they truly did (or had a backbone) they would have shut her ass down with the quickness a long time ago. Everyone was licking their finger and putting it up in the air to see which way the wind blew to save themselves. We all know that if Obama had persisted past the Potomac Primaries (or Beltway Beatdown as I've seen on other boards, lol) Pelosi, Dean, etc would have strongarmed Obama into getting out.
If this is true, the reaction to these ads on the part of the Clintonians and mainstream Democrats will be interesting to watch since by their own volition or silence they aided and abetted these kinds of attacks on a fellow Democrat. Maybe, the ads will persuade Barack that he really is in a knife fight and he needs to bring an equalizer.
Ha! you quoted my comment....totally cool. Now I'm embarrassed.
And then there's his capacity for denial. He's been successful at getting away saying one thing in one venue and not having at reach national attention until it was too late (if at all) for a long time. As have other politicians. What's changed, of course, is that with the internet and the 24/7 cable news cycle, politicians can't get away with that anymore. No doubt Clinton was chagrined to discover that but, rather than acknowledge he'd been caught, he lashed out at the media and the Obama campaign. And what's more, he still blames them!
So anyway, I don't know who his audience is with this. Maybe it's whites, maybe it's whites and blacks, maybe it's anyone who'll listen. But I do know it's not just blacks who aren't taken in by him. I might one day still be inclined to listen to him speak on some subject of interest to me -- but my opinion of him as a person is shot for good.
Seems to me a lot of playground smack being thrown at him.....and whatever your feelings on this issue - it is dividing the party....so how to bring the coalition back in? You have to be able to reach out to someone who might not know how much their words had unintended consequences....where is the understanding and forgiveness we have spent so many years perfecting in the harshest circumstances?