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Re: Bill Clinton Says He’s ‘Not A Racist’…..hmmmmm

ftroit — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:21:43 -0000

I think it's unfair to describe Bill as a racist. Other than the events in the political primary sport, there's nothing else in Bill's life or past (at least that we all know) that indicates that he's racist. Let's face it, Bill was trying to diminish Obama's South Carolina victory when he compared his victory to Jesse's. There's nothing wrong about demeaning an opponent's victory. Bill was on this thing for his wife. While that particular comment had racial connotations and implications, it (coupled with a few other misjudged remarks by Bill) do not necessary amount to him being racist. He used race to try to score political points no doubt. But that doesn't mean his racist. Darn, even Mr. Obama uses the race card. We all know what he means when he says : "they'll make you think i don't look like the other presidents on the dollar bill". Now, that statement right there, is as good a race card as you can get, politically and we all know it. Is his and Mr. Clinton's statements true? possibly. But neither of them is racist. All they're both guilty of is using the race card!

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gregoryTX — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:47:05 -0000

I think maybe everyone is jumping on him a little too much - I agree what he said sounded off....but I have to look at what he did for the community, and for this country, during his service in public life.

Seems to me a lot of playground smack being thrown at him.....and whatever your feelings on this issue - it is dividing the party....so how to bring the coalition back in? You have to be able to reach out to someone who might not know how much their words had unintended consequences....where is the understanding and forgiveness we have spent so many years perfecting in the harshest circumstances?

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CraigHickman — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:00:11 -0000

I think the strategy will backfire on McCain, no matter what the Democrats say or do about it.

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Lily — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:59:04 -0000

Oh Miranda, I can hear his accent while I read.

LOL

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CraigHickman — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:58:29 -0000

There you go right there.

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CraigHickman — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:54:36 -0000

I'm agreement with this entire threadline.

That's why I'm bracing for the convention in three weeks.

The roll call vote with Clinton's name in nomination makes me nervous.

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CraigHickman — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:52:23 -0000

LOL. Bayh is working hard to get the nod, that's for sure. He practically kissed Barack today after introducing him.

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CraigHickman — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:51:00 -0000

I want him to pick a woman, too. McCaskill is my first choice, but I know that's a pipe dream. Napolitano is my second choice. But she's unmarried and butch, so she might be a magnet for attacks. Which leaves Sebelius.

But will he want to deal with the "how dare he snub Hillary!!!" backlash?

Who knows.

I'm afraid he's going to choose a white man. Out of left field.

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LynnDee — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:43:23 -0000

I don't know if Bill Clinton, in whatever's left of his heart, is racist or not. I'm not sure that it matters given his willingness to race bait; the effect's the same. He might as well be racist if he's willing to fan the fire of racism for political advantage.

And then there's his capacity for denial. He's been successful at getting away saying one thing in one venue and not having at reach national attention until it was too late (if at all) for a long time. As have other politicians. What's changed, of course, is that with the internet and the 24/7 cable news cycle, politicians can't get away with that anymore. No doubt Clinton was chagrined to discover that but, rather than acknowledge he'd been caught, he lashed out at the media and the Obama campaign. And what's more, he still blames them!

So anyway, I don't know who his audience is with this. Maybe it's whites, maybe it's whites and blacks, maybe it's anyone who'll listen. But I do know it's not just blacks who aren't taken in by him. I might one day still be inclined to listen to him speak on some subject of interest to me -- but my opinion of him as a person is shot for good.

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Niccolo — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:06:13 -0000

Mea Culpa to Lowery ... Thanks for the info.

That "wait his turn crowd" turned my stomach.

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Peggy McGilligan — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:47:15 -0000

Again (Bill), methinks thou doest protest too much: http://theseedsof9-11.com

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GreenLadyHere — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:33:53 -0000

Admiral: But he LOVES MUSTARD GREENS!! :>) :>) Oops! Another RACE bait/card! :>)
Whew!! Shakin' her head Deep Breaths! :>)

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GreenLadyHere — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:30:42 -0000

Maurice: CO-SIGNING BIG TIME!!! :>) :>)

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Lily — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:50:14 -0000

Even then, I really don't want them invited.

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Lily — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:48:49 -0000

Yeah! Even if it pisses off the puma vote. Because it doesn't matter, they will not vote for Obama anyway. I would love Sebelius over McCaskill because McCaskill could still be a regular on the newsshows and slice and dice with a smile!

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MODI — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:07:21 -0000

Damn, i loved this post.

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Nina — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:48:27 -0000

I for one am sick and tired of Bill Clinton’s fascination with all things HIM. Once again his answer to any question is “me, me, me”. Neither Obama nor Clyburn cast him as a racist. Clyburn basically told him to check himself. You are absolutely correct. The Black and Brown former supporters of the Clintons were subjected to name calling and disrespectful slurs by the Clintons and their surrogates and we are supposed to believe they don’t have a racist bone in their body. How about their propensity to use their white privilege? Bill Clinton’s own undisciplined comments cast doubts about his real feelings about African Americans in general and Obama specifically. It is insulting for him to assume that the African American people only took umbrage to his comments because the Obama campaign or Clyburn told us to. I heard what he said; I analyzed his comments and found them to be dismissive of Obama. At 57 years old, I don’t need anyone to tell me what to think. Because of his Sister Souljah comments I didn’t vote for him during his first run for the Presidency. Race baiting, mud slinging politics as usual is really getting on my last nerve.

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Sombody_took_my_username — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:25:29 -0000

Hey rikyrah,

Ha! you quoted my comment....totally cool. Now I'm embarrassed.

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PTCruiser — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:22:23 -0000

"It is my understanding the GOP is getting ready to release the first in a series of Hillary Clinton ads against Obama. The first ad features her "Shame on You!" lecture."

If this is true, the reaction to these ads on the part of the Clintonians and mainstream Democrats will be interesting to watch since by their own volition or silence they aided and abetted these kinds of attacks on a fellow Democrat. Maybe, the ads will persuade Barack that he really is in a knife fight and he needs to bring an equalizer.

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Maurice Stewart — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:57:22 -0000

I feel so much at home since discovering JJP as well! I note that Obama gets hell here when he screws up or take African-Americans for granted but he is also supported here when the racists with their code words- presumtious, arrogant, acting presidential (uppity), inexperienced etc. is directed towards him.
This is what responsible journalism should be about! Kudos to JJP!

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Town — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:14:27 -0000

It is my understanding the GOP is getting ready to release the first in a series of Hillary Clinton ads against Obama. The first ad features her "Shame on You!" lecture.

But I'll disagree with you on the party insiders wanted her to quit the race because if they truly did (or had a backbone) they would have shut her ass down with the quickness a long time ago. Everyone was licking their finger and putting it up in the air to see which way the wind blew to save themselves. We all know that if Obama had persisted past the Potomac Primaries (or Beltway Beatdown as I've seen on other boards, lol) Pelosi, Dean, etc would have strongarmed Obama into getting out.

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Dick Nixon — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:49:24 -0000

I am not a crook!

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Manju — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:45:10 -0000

McCain linking Clinton to the race-baiting charge was a brilliant tactical move, allowing him to exploit diviisons within the democratic party while putting Obama between a rock and a hard place.

Whats Obama to do? If he defends Clinton's accusers his hopes of uniting his party, and subsequently winning the election, are dashed. If he attacks them he ends up "admitting" that Clinton's accusers, and by extension himself since he benefitted, are Sharptonesque. Both are losing cards.

The Clinton's are powerful. There's a huge swath of the democratic party that's simply not willing to admit that they played a southern strategy. They're ideologically bound to the notion that that is resricted to the Republicans, to Nixon and Reagan. Even those who have written extensively on southern strategies, like Paul Krugman, cannot bring themselves to make this admission, despite all the evidence, lest they end up admitting that much of what the VRWC said about the Clintons was right all along. Such an admission would undermine almost 2 decades of work. Its unthinkable.

The Clinton's know this and its in their best interest to keep the party divided. Obama must lose the general in order for them to reclaim the party and power. Thus, Clinton bought up racism all by himself, knowing it would hurt Obama. Howard Wolfson, Clinton old campaign manager, is on Foxnews now making Obama out to be a racial McCarthyist. Expect Gerry Ferraro to make a reappearance in the coming months.

This is precisely why party insiders wanted Clinton to quit the race when it became obvious she couldn't win. The Clintons scorched earth policy gives McCain cover to launch all sorts of attacks on Obama, and not be blamed for it--or even have dems defend him when he does it--b/c they originated from the Clintons. Obama as race baiter, as not fit to be commander in chief, as sexist, as out of touch with hard working white Americans, and finally as election steeler who lost the popular vote.

All these charges are false and incendiary. But still very dangerous territory for Obama.

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pcmadison — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:02:43 -0000

EXCELLENT post Rikyrah!

It is so amazing how everywhere we turn when looking at MSM that there is ALWAYS this perpetual illusion that is floated globally that everyone in the Black community is ignorant with no independent thought process and begging to be accepted by white folk at whatever cost!

True enough there are those in the Black community who assimilate to what white American society has labeled to be "black people behavior" in order to succeed...but they are the exception NOT the rule and at their core even they know when they need to give white folk a reality check of what won't be tolerated.

Bill needs to get over his delusions of grandeur and accept the fact that the majority of the black community will NEVER FORGET him resorting to race baiting in order to win because it showed his true character and forever added him to the evergrowing list of other white folk who have done the same!

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Michelle — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:58:13 -0000

I’m going to let White folks in on a Black truth -Black folk could care less if YOU believe that you ‘ aren’t a racist’.

Thank you so much for saying exactly this immediately after that nasty ugly I-have-no-words-for-it quote.

And for this entire post. Thank you.