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Jack and Jill Politics: Black and BLACKER: The RACIAL Politics of the Obama Marriage? WTF? Here we go again

  • Donna · 1 year ago
    I read the full article and came away with a sense that the author, Vanessa Grigoriadis, was pretty catty and somewhat insecure in her own identity as a Greek woman.

    Barack, for the most part, got a pass by Grigoriadis.

    However, Grigoriadis seems convinced that Michelle Obama is not quite what she seems and is up to something. Grigoriadis studied every eye flicker, head turn, smile, laugh, breath, and piece of clothing of Michelle’s to get the “real story” of what made this Black, Black, Black, Blaaaaaaack woman tick.

    But why?

    It comes down to a phenomena that is not new. Someone who is an ethnic (say Irish, Italian, or GREEK) immigrant or the daughter of ethnic immigrants, arrives to North American. Immediately, to deflect attention away from their own ethnicity, they quickly “other” African Americans, in order to solidify their own ethnic identity with White identity. You Black People sure are strange to All Us White People!

    Vanessa Griogaridis, she of the recently arrived to North America Greek heritage, has gone extremely far out of her way to “other” Michelle Obama, she whose ancestors have likely been North American since there was a North America. Griogaridis wants her readers to understand that Obama is a foreign, strange, Black creature who’s every movement and nuance has to be explained to terrified, helpless, clueless White America.

    Fortunately, the latest Essence is out and reading that gave me an understanding of why Michelle Obama remains serene and upbeat despite reporting that would have driven another woman indoors.

    Apparently, Michelle’s mother has a philosophy that just because someone calls you a dog, that doesn’t mean you don’t get down on all fours and start barking. No. You keep going and doing what you were doing before the idiot stepped to you.

    So, truthfully, I’ve come to the conclusion that the article Grigoriadis wrote tells us MUCH more about Grigoriadis and her insecurity with her own identity, as a Greek and perhaps as a woman outdone when faced with a more powerful woman.

    I think the reporting on Michelle will become more shrill, catty, and resentful as the convention draws near. It will take a woman pretty confident in herself to report on Michelle Obama... Grigoriadis is not that woman.
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    Rikyrah, Craig

    I told yall that NewYorker cover was about Michelle. Imagine this story and that cover together.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    you were on the money. I admit it. this 'article' IS the companion to that cover
  • Kelleyrabbit · 1 year ago
    Hello all!

    It is the middle of the night here in Indy and I have been reading everyone's comments and find that we all share the same frustrations. I must however interject for the first time and say this... Why are we so upset?

    When you see an pig and you smell a pig, do you expect chicken instead? This is what we all knew would become the pattern of MSM behavior. I however am especially proud of the authors reaction. Before you all bash me, hear me out. When the lady on the elevator moves her purse, I laugh. When the salesclerk in the store watches me, I laugh. When a white man tries to bait me, I laugh. Why... becuase I find their situation hysterical. They are afraid of me!!!!

    I am the hard-working mother, descendant of slaves, mother of future black women and men voters, female yang to my man's yin. I am powerful and I frighten the living shyt out of all of them.

    We have always understood the power of the black woman in a man's life. They seem to think that power should come from someone white. Truth is, Barack knew that Michelle was his equal, if not his better, in every way and he did his parents and grandparents proud in choosing such a mate as her.

    In their words they say that the worst thing for the presidency is him, but in their mind they know that the worst thing for their way of life is her. The longer that I have watched the two of them together I see the real strength in the relationship; It is Michelle.

    They may have their misgivings about Barack, but the true fear is of that "angry black women". The same woman that they covet and hate at the same time. Which is why they have allowed us to work alongside their men, while they silently cast aside ours. However, when they discover how intelligent and independent and strong black women really are, they panic. Many black men have been defeated by their system, but the vast number of smart, strong black women are still here fighting for their families, homes, jobs, and independence, while remaining faithful allies to our men.

    I acknowledge the historical significance of the first african-american president but I desperately await the power of the first african-american FIRST LADY from the south side of Chicago who grew up fifteen minutes from me and truly understands me on that elevator and in that store, and I hope she's laughing at them right now,
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    Kelligirl

    I'm glad you can laugh, but the reality of the situation is too painful for me to laugh. Obama should be should be just another candidate running for president and Michelle should be just another candidate's wife, but portions of white america stopped laughing at his desire to be president now that he is a serious contender and now nobody's laughing us - this is for real.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    I posted this in the wrong thread earlier

    ::

    I sent this post to a friend of mine. Black woman. Clinton Democrat. Didn't follow the primaries closely enough to have ingested all the race baiting.

    Likes Barack. Doesn't think he has enough experience. Feels he was "sent" to derail Miss HIllary. But she recognizes his talent nonetheless. This is what she said via email:

    ::

    I told you before that there is more to being President than having the best ideas about how the country should be runn - that there are criteria that have to be met. When you get a chance read up on the Masonic influence in American politics.

    But there is more. Every first lady has to be traced in some shape form or fashion to a Mayflower Family. She must be able to join the DAR - Daughters of the American Revolution. It's quite obvious that Mrs. Obama's descendants , while stepping off of a boat, did not step off of the Mayflower. The person writing the article's family didn't either but that is besides the point.

    The First Lady sets the tone for the women of this country in many ways. She is the fashion leader, the perfect example of a political wife, and the face of the standard of the proper female overseas. That Michelle Obama, an obvious descendant of slaves, is poised to become the social leader of this country has probably given the WASP establishment the vapors. It makes no difference what she has accomplished in the world. She is too obviously African and too many see her as someone who should be in the kitchen cooking or cleaning their homes. Or wearing door knocker ear rings and smacking gum.

    Ironically it was Michelle that first made me notice Obama. I asked myself why so many successful black men seem to find the lightest, brightest and damn near whitest women to be their mates if they don't jump the fence totally and how this biracial man fell in love with and married a woman who looked like Michelle.

    This is another way Barack reminds me of Bill Clinton. Clinton said he did not want the prettiest he wanted the smartest. Barack has done the same thing in his choice of mate in picking someone who is his match in brains and ambition.

    Him they can swallow because of his mother. And don't forget his father was never enslaved so they can overlook that. It's her they're going to go after.

    ::

    The first time she told me about the Daughters of the Revolution and the First Ladies, I did some research. Turns out that Hillary Clinton is the only First Lady I could find who wasn't a descendant of a DAR.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    The First Lady sets the tone for the women of this country in many ways. She is the fashion leader, the perfect example of a political wife, and the face of the standard of the proper female overseas. That Michelle Obama, an obvious descendant of slaves, is poised to become the social leader of this country has probably given the WASP establishment the vapors. It makes no difference what she has accomplished in the world. She is too obviously African and too many see her as someone who should be in the kitchen cooking or cleaning their homes. Or wearing door knocker ear rings and smacking gum.

    This entire email was illuminating, craig. Loved it where you first posted it, and loved reading it here.

    When I read this, I go back to Yogo's observation from over a year ago:

    IF Obama wins, it really will turn White Supremacy on its head.
    NOT because a Black man won.
    But, because a Black woman will be in the White House...
    and she didn't have to sneak in the back entrance to do it.
  • taritac · 1 year ago
    Wow, didn't know that.

    Actually, considering the history of interracial sex in the US, there is probably no way to tell if Michelle is a descendant or not. I found out at a family reunion a few years ago that I am a very distant relative of one of the pre-Revolution governors of Virginia. I think it would be a hoot if they found out that Michelle has a revered great-great-great-great-great-great granddaddy.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    I'm a descendant of William Penn.

    Go figure.
  • Lilytiger · 1 year ago
    Laura is related? Good god, I always wondered what possessed him to marry the librarian.

    Hillary isn't dainty either.
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    They compared Michelle Obama to a drag queen, but would never refer to Elizabeth Edwards as a hag, even without the cancer diagnosis or say her clothes look like they come from Walmart, even though they do (as do mine, so I know them when I see them). They would never tell Hillary that she has no reason to be angry about sexism because she is a senator and a national leader and almost won the democratic nomination. Why are your drawers in a bunch Hillary, and how dare you play the sexism card? Why no comparison of Cindy McCain pretending to be Miss Buffalo Chip or knowing anything about a Harley, but in fact being an heiress and former junkie. Oh I forgot. Cindy doesn't talk. But she runs a multimillion $ beer distributorship as well as an international NGO on the one hand, yet is frail and must wear a sling if her hand is shaken too vigorously (I can't believe that SS let someone injur her). And even though her husband has referred to her as a cunt in public-Do all white husbands call their wives cunts and strumpets?-he thinks she has the best breasts money can buy. that definitely makes him presidential. What a guy!

    Well, if I have to be a one woman campaign, I am going to be. They are about to catch hell from DUH-DUH-DUH (scary music) Teacher.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    That young woman is experiencing an unfamiliar emotion: envy....toward a black woman.

    Serenity, now..........***Ommmmm..***
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    Why do you even believe she injured herself with a handshake?

    John probably twisted her arm when she said something he didn't wanna hear.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    Go figure...I thought she injured herself so that she could get the prescriptions legally.
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    This is more than a notion as well. She always looks like shes' blazin saddles. But to be honest, if I were married to the cryptkeeper, I'd stay high too. The thought of him putting his withered, old hand on me would make me want to kill myself. Ewwwwwww. She is probably doing one of her employees. Who could blame her. He doesn't act like he loves her or even likes her. He doesn't seem to really respect her. It seems like he is using her. She probably still feels guilty for coming into his marriage and contributing to it's break up.
  • Miranda · 1 year ago
    I do wonder why the MSM, which is so quick to jump on all things trivial, didn't get a quote from the sorrowful supporter who caused the second Mrs. McCain to have to wear a sling for 4 to 6 weeks. Makes you think there IS no sorrowful supporter at all.
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    You've been reading my mind again. This is the 1st thing I thought when I saw her with the sling. I wonder what he has on her that prevents her from leaving him? It either has something to do with her illegally obtaining drugs or misappropriating $ from her NGO.
  • heartsandflowers · 1 year ago
    You know we have a right to be angry about these types of articles but seriously does anyone think these publications will actually print anything close to the truth? They are out to make money. Castigating Black women makes companies a lot of money. It's how this country operates. I expect more to come. We do need to call people out on it but I'm not going to be 'outraged' anymore. It's their game plan. It's why they never talk about McCain with any grain of truth either by perpetuating the lies and false image. That's what we need to be talking about as well. The lies of the white-owned media and why it's financially viable for them to do so. I don't want to keep reacting to these attacks - esp when you know they're coming from a mile away. I want to develop strategies for combating this to make it more difficult for them to benefit from it. We all have roles to play in this.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    Barack said lay off my wife. This author is baiting Barack. Pure and simple.

    She's baiting us too.

    Beware.

    I'd like to be a fly on the wall when these editors sit in their offices and decide to run with this shit. Does glee color their faces when they decide the slickest way to try to tear these beautiful human beings down just because they can't get over their sick, sick fantasies?

    And that's what this is all about. The fantasies these terrible human beings have about the beautiful Black people they claim they don't know . Sometimes those fantasies are all about sex. Sometimes they are about violence. Often, they are about both.

    "I don't know if I want to fuck them or kill them."

    That is the conflict these terrible human beings face every time they look at a beautiful, intelligent, sophisticated, responsible, self-actualized Black person. Make no mistake. They believe their fantasies so deeply, so THOROUGHLY, these terrible people are left with but two highly charged reactions.

    Fuck or kill.

    Since most of these terrible people will never get a chance to do either, they substitute venom like this to allow them the chance to feel the rush.

    These terrible people are diseased. Mentally, emotionally, spiritually diseased.

    We might consider removing the word "racist" from our lexicon. Even though true, it's too loaded. Gives people an excuse to dismiss the complaints of the complainer.

    These people are diseased. And they need help.
  • jelana · 1 year ago
    I love your comment!
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    Thank you, jelana
  • GoldenAh · 1 year ago
    You got it! She's diseased. The author, Vanessa Grigoriadis, is Bi-Polar.

    The goal is to bait us. They want us to be very angry. The article is typical passive aggressive nastiness.

    I have a very low opinion of reporters. Frankly, I expected worse by this time. I suppose they're all holding back until late September / early October.

    If (and I hope when) he becomes President, Obama is not getting a honeymoon with the media. They will criticize (and denigrate) before he's even sworn in.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    Fuck or kill.



    too deep.

    too deep.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    This is so damned true!
  • pmof2 · 1 year ago
    Rikyrah, while I am so glad you brought this piece to everyone's attention, I've been shaking since I read it a few days ago. I am completely through. I can't form a coherent response.

    I need this election to be over, for Barack to be elected in a landslide, and for all these idiots to just get over it.

    I seem to be in a state of blinding rage ALL. THE. TIME. These morons are afraid of Michelle---but they really should be terrified of me.

    And, Anovelista, I am such a huge Diana Sands fan--then, now, and forever. Thanks for giving her some props.

    I am as disappointed with the National Association of Black Journalists as I am with that motley crew at the CBC.
  • Miranda · 1 year ago
    You are not alone. I made the comment over on the WAOD blogsite that I really can't read stuff like this anymore because I'm real close to going off on the dumb folks where I work (just on principle alone) and I really need my two nickels on the 1st and the 15th. I'm just losing the patience, that I was so proud of, to deal with dumb white people. I am an expert at completely blocking out their sheer stupidity when it comes to racial matters where I work, but that is really starting to slip away with this election.
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    Has this election cycle affected the way they treat you? I'm feeling the anxiety of a few.
  • Miranda · 1 year ago
    Yes, most definitely. They are getting, as my grandmama would say, "beside themselves".
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA

    'beside themselves'.
  • Anovelista · 1 year ago
    Absolutely. I am a huge Diana Sands fan as well:)
  • glory · 1 year ago
    Actually what got me is the "too big, too masculine, too much like a drag queen." That one hurt. Reminds me of this time I went to hear Maya Angelou speak and she talked about how she overheard some white girl who'd come to see her say similar things about her. Yes, she's tall and her eyebrows arch and she has unflattering angles that get published more often than her flattering angles. But damn. She's a good looking woman and not one bit masculine. She has a sparkle. Some people just want their first lady small, quiet, boring, and hardly noticeable - thank goodness Michelle isn't like that.

    I have to add though that some of the quoted lines didn't strike me the way they struck you. I read certain lines, such as, "what does she have to be angry about" to be sarcastically rhetorical, not earnest. I think that the author was confused. On the one hand I thought she meant, at times, to illustrate the absurdity of castigating Michelle for being "too black," but she was terrible at expressing this illustration effectively, making her look just as racist as the people she thought she was poking at... much like the oval office New Yorker cover illustration, which was supposed to be satire but failed. Or that art exhibit in New York that called the weeMichelles nappy headed hos in one room and had a huge black penis on the wall in another room. The author made too many assumptions and was too sloppy, resulting in a big crash and burn. Like when she talked about acting black and acting white - I think she meant to call those terms into question, but because she didn't know what the hell she was doing, her afterthought, "whatever that adjective means nowadays" was completely ineffective and exposed stupidity instead of critical thinking.

    Of course it didn't help that many of her statements could not have even been reasonably mistaken for sarcasm, irony, or any other literary device - they were just stupid, and made the author look even more stupid. For example the "n-word, just to make a point," foolishness. This leaves me wondering what was going on with her editor, too.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Er,... her eyebrows are over-tweezed. The person who waxed her brows, overdid it.
  • Marvy · 1 year ago
    This article is outrageous, and I am so tired of these reporters acting like Michelle is some kind of closet militant just because she's intelligent and outspoken. And that whole bit about her having White friends is really ridiculous. Are they honestly surprised by that?
  • Texas_Girl_in_LA · 1 year ago
    OT: Obama has created a new webpage Republicans for Obama

    It has a list and profile of Republicans who have endorsed him and voters and their stories. It's like a site within a site.

    Actually, I think they have re-vamped the whole site.

    D....I think he's trying to send you a couple of hints. That's ok. You still have a little time.
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    Yeah, D. Use the Force and you can leave the Dark Side! Besides, s is going to get the knives and you aren't.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    Phelps wins the 100 butterfly by 0.01 seconds!!!!

    I've never seen anything like it.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    Another OT.

    Found this link at Politicalinaction.com

    Now It’s The Post Covering Up John McCain’s Mob Connections

    http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/linkframe.php?...
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Pretty amazing. Is that number 7?

    I was watching the Jamaican sprinters.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    I was terrific.

    His mother's reaction got me. She couldn't believe it either!

    I was like, YEAH!!!

    One more to go!!!
  • Sepia · 1 year ago
    This has created confusion for some people, who seem desperate to find a negative quality in her: She’s too big, too masculine, too much like a drag queen.

    Obviously, the author has not seen Barbara Bush.
  • CPL · 1 year ago
    Sepia, she (Barbara Bush) looks like the Quaker Oats guy and no one is saying shyt about how she's the drag queen personified.

    Explains why Bush, Sr. cheated on her ass, too.
  • blksista · 1 year ago
    41 didn't need a reason to cheat on Barbara Bush. He was always hunting up nooky.

    He still is.
  • Miranda · 1 year ago
    The Quaker Oats guy?
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    Yes, or George Washington from the dollar bill.
  • CPL · 1 year ago
    They still refuse to learn their lesson.

    WE MUST "SCHOOL" THEM.
  • MsKitty · 1 year ago
    I'm so pissed off right now I can barely post a coherent sentence. Thanks rikyrah for actually reading this steaming pile of crap and being so on point with your take on it.

    Fucking unbelievable.
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    Ditto. I am traumatized, amazed by this person's level of cavalier hatred & racism, speechless.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    Economic sanctions. Boycott the advertisers.
  • pjamma · 1 year ago
    I have a friend that does ad sales for New York Magazine. I will be putting a buzz in her ear that this article is insulting and that she should be aware people will be contacting their advertisers. Word spreads internally real quick when someone's commission check might be affected.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    True that.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    It's a call to kill.
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    This is such a deeply offensive & insulting article. It warrants and equal response.

    WHAT CAN WE DO TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WE ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT GOING TO TOLERATE THIS LEVEL OF INSULT?

    To me, this warrants some sort of emergency action. I feel like calling Oprah to ask her to put a show together. I feel like picketing outside of the HQ of the New Yorker or marching on washington. I feel like circulating a petition calling for the termination of the person who wrote the article. Are we just going to roll with it?

    Lets brainstorm on some actions that can be taken! Please!
  • Miranda · 1 year ago
    I'm with Teacher, there has to be something more we can do. This is above and beyond mere offensive words.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    The point is to elicit such a reaction to make it appear as though a race riot is on its way.

    It's bait.
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    Perhaps a race riot does need to be on it's way. There is no way they would get away with an article this offensive & incendiary in the Jewish community. They would be driven out of business. Like Soledad Obrien said, no one is coming to save us. If we keep putting up with it, and they don't have any consequences, nothing is going to change. I'm not ok with that option.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    Time and place for everything.
  • pjamma · 1 year ago
    I haven't even made it through the first paragraph and I'm shocked at the sentence: "The dress fits snugly, with a bit of blue-and-orange-beaded flair sewn near her chest bone, sparkling like a costume necklace from a flea market."

    Flea Market? Really? Uggghhhh!

    Updating with this quote: "Her voice is pitched in the range of Tila Tequila."

    They are comparing her to a much criticized bi-sexual reality show host and internet "model". Why would Tila Tequila even come to mind when describing Michelle?
  • Miranda · 1 year ago
    Because there is just no way in their reality that Michelle could be a classy, fierce, above reproach black woman, there is just no conceivable way in THEIR reality that this could possibly be.
  • glory · 1 year ago
    I had the same reaction. The author was trying to be clever/snarky. But it's offensive.
  • RonnieB · 1 year ago
    As if the New Yorker wasn't bad enough.

    I'm looking at this latest fish wrapper, and I'm getting a Huey Newton/Angela Davis vibe.

    These people just ... won't ... quit. Where is the National Association of Black Journalists?
  • CPL · 1 year ago
    "Where is the National Association of Black Journalists?"

    Now there's the million-dollar question. Except for Bob Herbert and Roland Martin, all I'm hearing is crickets chirping...meaning those guys have to dance to the tune of their employers or get fired. Very few Field Negroes in that bunch...
  • RonnieB · 1 year ago
    Now that I think of it, I've written to them twice within the last year and have never received even a an automated reply.

    Who comprises the NABJ anyway? Can bloggers be members?
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    http://www.nabj.org/index.php

    This is their website. I'm going to email them and ask for their support when I get back from work.
  • CPL · 1 year ago
    Ronnie, haven't you heard? Bloggers aren't considered real journalists, according to that bunch.

    And then they get pissed because we bloggers are doing the heavy lifting of reporting REAL news, and scooping their asses, thereby making them look foolish.

    That's why you're not getting any replies, but they're the first to play the race card regarding their media assignments.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    They blackened the flag.
  • Anovelista · 1 year ago
    Exactly! Where are the Black women journalists who are married women and mothers like Michelle Obama? There was a Washington Post op-ed Black.Female.Accomplished.Attacked. but I want to see more!

    I know women like Michelle Obama - single and married. In fact, most professional married Black women I know had a relative take care of their child even when they had the means to have a nanny.

    I don't care what ANYONE says but the REAL problem with Michelle Obama for people who REFUSE to see her as a person, an individual, a human being, a woman, is that she is not a "Halle Berry" type. NO offense at all to Halle Berry (who turned 42 yesterday and I love, love, love because she was the very first person that I ever interviewed). It is not the fault of lighter-skinned women that that is the perception, but it is there.

    I want to close with two quotes that apply to Michelle Obama and most Black women from one of my favorite actresses, the late great Diana Sands.

    Race is not the only problem I have. I have all the problems of a woman, of a person, of a citizen. I know certain things about life that have nothing to do with color. Things that I want to express.

    Also, Sands told the New York Times in 1967:

    "The Negro female has been categorized as a neuter, a mammy, an exotic. Why isn't she a mother, a wife, a woman, a desirable object, a woman desired and feminine, someone who embodies all the characteristics of American womanhood? "
  • APeach · 1 year ago
    You know, that's what frustrates me. Michelle is beautiful; she is regal and elegant and has no interest in looking like Barbie or Lara Croft. She is no botoxed-automon: she is smart and confident. She walks with her head held high: she doesn't hunch over nor does she shuffle aside. WTH is so wrong with that?!?! Why must she be some mousy creature afraid of her own damned shadow?

    I'll tell you what's wrong--that's the racists' and sexists' worst nightmare. They can't stand that she's an embodiment of the American dream they can NEVER emulate. Those stereotypes that swaddle their limp egos have been yanked, and they are laid bare. They don't have the stones; they can only find some to throw at her. And hey--she is BETTER than they. As is her husband.

    They all know it, too. And they can't stand it.
  • Anovelista · 1 year ago
    Ha! I was going to repeat my comment from Michelle Obama Watch until I saw that you linked it here.

    Isn't it interesting how all of these "objective" articles mention in passing that Michelle allegedly said "whitey" in a speech, yet NEVER clarify that she did not?

    Remember, that lie was already proven wrong even though it barely got any play:

    Why Does the Michelle Obama Rumor Tape Match a 2006 Novel?
  • bajanlady · 1 year ago
    Cosign MsKitty. Rikyrah I don't know how you do it. I just can't wade hip deep in all this crap on a daily basis without losing my ish. When I lose my ish I'm not nearly as articulate or on point as you are. Thank you for doing such a dirty job.
  • CPL · 1 year ago
    But, somehow, his marriage to Michelle shows the ‘mistake’ his mother and grandparents made.

    What is meant by that statement; does it imply he corrected his "blackness" by marrying a Black Woman?

    I want to give up on this foolishness, but I know I'm required to be ever vigilant now. It is not going to let up, even after Obama's inauguration and the Obamas are installed in the White House. These racial numbnuts must really fear that electing a Black Man to the Highest Office in the Land will spell the end of the bigoted life as they now know it.

    Who comes up with ideas like this fish wrapper cover and think we won't get pissed off by it? They need to quit asking the House Negroes for advice, since the House Negroes have no insight into Black America because they're too busy running away from it.

    If that's the case, Harold Ford should have smooth sailing, now that he's married to Snowflake ((rolls eyes and spits)).
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    No CPL,
    If his granparents and mama had raised him ' right, then, OF COURSE, he'd be married to Snowflake.
  • Admiral_Komack · 1 year ago
    ...and they'd STILL criticize him.
    "Why didn't he marry a sistah?"
    "I guess he think he WHITE."
  • CPL · 1 year ago
    So that's what they'er implying; Barack's people didn't raise him right because he married a sista.

    Now if that isn't some sick shyt, I don't know what is.

    Sometimes...the best thing you can do for rabid dogs...is PUT THEM OUT OF THEIR MISERY.
  • Kat · 1 year ago
    I don't know how the Obama's do it, I really don't. If I was Barack, I would have called a press conference, taken Michelle by the hand, stood up and said:

    "Screw the election. I'm going to tell all of you what I think of you. Since I'm going alphabetically, first up: Bill Clinton. Right after him, Cokie Roberts".

    They have a strength that humbles me.
  • jdickenslaw · 1 year ago
    Can't we do it for him? We should all come together and sign a response to this garbage and have it printed everywhere we can!
  • Big Man · 1 year ago
    YOu need to explore that idea about Obama's marriage to Michelle being a sign of failure for his white grandparents. That is an interesting concept. I've found that people love to bring up his white grandparents when they want to complain about Obama being called "black" but other then that, the grandparents are ignored.

    Anyway, I would love to here you flesh out that idea about the grandparents as soon as possible. I would do it myself, but since I never though of the issue in those terms until I read it here, I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.
  • PTCruiser · 1 year ago
    I wish that we could kick back, sip on a summer cocktail and just enjoy white America going through another O.J. moment. It is fascinating!

    Since we know these folks much better than they will ever know us we should try predicting the stories and angles they will come up with next about the Obamas.

    Again, fascinating.
  • AnthonyMason · 1 year ago
    Nothing has been more productive in BO's historic race to the white house than watching white folks (from NY to Cali, Florida and the deep south) going crazy at the prospects of a black family in their white house. This has been the greatest teaching lesson regarding race relations one could ask for in America. There's a problem though: The stakes are wayyyyyyyyyyy too high for America to elect McCain. It'd be fascinating to watch if so much wasnt involved. However, the future of this country, ours and our children, hangs on the balance waiting to see who'll get elected.
  • MsKitty · 1 year ago
    Yep. I'm just waiting to see some nonsense article about how Malia and Sasha are being trained to be little militants because they wear cornrows.
  • Bronze Trinity · 1 year ago
    Arghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! I am so sick of this crap! Good post but I am sick of these magazine articles and new stories about race just because the Obamas are black!!! What the f***!? "And anger will not do. Besides, what does she have to be angry about, with her Ivy education and Hyde Park mansion? Isn’t she herself an example of the fact that racism is over in America?" GOD!!!!! I hate this so much!!!! This is the typical crap the mainstream keeps on pushing that as long as you are a middle class educated Black person then race doesn't affect you and that racism is dead! Who the hell wrote this crap! Done!
  • taritac · 1 year ago
    Other than the title (why are they digging into their marriage??) this article didn't piss me off quite as much off the bat as it did you-- I think it embodies a lot of the anxiety white people have about the Obamas without necessarily buying into them-- UNTIL I got to this passage:
    Obama is particularly comfortable in front of black audiences, who inspire him to be passionate and energetic. Watching him, I wondered if in this context he would use the N-word, if only to make a point. (Although Michelle would give him hell for it: “I don’t tolerate the use of that or any other disrespectful or denigrating term,” she tells me.)

    I hate bullshit like this. Really? Is that how you think Black people largely refer to each other in a formal setting?

    I hate getting slapped in the face continually by people who THINK THEY KNOW US, but constantly show that they don't. They are content to opine about us out of sheer IGNORANCE, and never question their assumptions or beliefs about who we are or how we act.

    Where is the expose on the McCain marriage? The edgy angle could be, "The Politics of Marriages Formed Through Adultery."
  • Admiral_Komack · 1 year ago
    Or, "How To F**k Your Way Into Big Money"
  • Sepia · 1 year ago
    Besides, what does she have to be angry about, with her Ivy education and Hyde Park mansion? Isn’t she herself an example of the fact that racism is over in America?

    If the author of this crap believes that racism is over in America, then WTH did they write this article, about race, in the first place??

    You would think a GOP, conservative leaning magazine would publish something like this, but this is a LIBERAL MAGAZINE!
  • jdickenslaw · 1 year ago
    I propose that we write a response to this article or several responses and get them published in newspaper editorials across the country and anywhere else that we can get them published. All of these responses would be signed by all of us. I'm just brainstorming, so I haven't thought out all of the details. But, with all of the people on this site, we could generate a pretty powerful response.
  • taritac · 1 year ago
    Please at least post a response in the article's comment section.
  • No1KState · 1 year ago
    Hey, rikyrah. Got nothing snappy to say. Just wanted to thank you for saving me the time of reading the piece myself.

    No1KState
    herecomethatgirl.blogspot.com
    ;-)
  • Lilytiger · 1 year ago
    I have spent all day not knowing how or if I should respond to this article.

    All I can say is, this is such a passively aggressive piece of wrapping on a pile of sh*t. There is no way an article about a Jewish couple or the McCains or the Huckabees could be written with such contempt and snobbery. Hell ....racism.
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    Lily, now that I have done a little research, I'm also reticent about responding. For one, the author, Vanessa Grigoriadis, is bipolar. I was ready to blast her with both barrels until I read that. She has a mental illness. This hasn't stopped others from blasting her. She has been referred to as being hairy and having a moustache. Her writing was referred to as vapid. She is descended from people who have unibrows (Greeks).

    I read the article in it's entirety. It is highly subjective and full of inconsistencies. She is a typical, narcissistic , racist white person who doesn't know that she doesn't know. I couldn't find any campaign contributions in her name, but she has written articles for Cannabis News, so that also explains some things. She has definitely had her share of insults from her peers. Here's one that doesn't attack her looks:

    Best Vanessa Grigoriadis Retread
    Tie: "Girls Gone Wild" and "Hey, There’s a Yoga Craze!"
    This just in! Sex parties all the rage. It’s easy to have a crush on Vanessa Grigoriadis. We certainly did for a while. She’s mysterious and sexy, and she writes breathlessly about sexy subjects. In 1998, when she was just 25, her first major New York magazine piece was a flashy cover story about New York publicists. It read like a movie, so it was no surprise that the film rights Sony quickly bought for a reported $400,000. Wow, we thought, here was a young writer with verve to spare who cashed in right away.
    Then we started to hate Grigoriadis because all of her magazine features sounded like movie scripts. Whether she was reporting on nightlife or Silicon Alley creative types, every story was a chance to update St. Elmo’s Fire or Less Than Zero. We couldn’t imagine that anyone would want to buy a story about New York bouncers or the founders of stupid shit like Feed, so we didn’t imagine she’d ever sell anything else to Hollywood. Maybe, we thought, she’d become just another one-trick magazine writer.
    We worry that she’s tired of even being that. In 1999, Grigoriadis wrote about the growing popularity of yoga for New York, and followed it with a post-Sept. 11 story about yoga’s new importance. Then, when she essentially replaced Alex Kuczynski at the Times’ Sunday Styles section this year, she quickly settled in and wrote a piece about…yoga.
    Despite spending so much time doing yoga and writing about yoga, Grigoriadis also turned out saucier pieces, like the features about Girls Gone Wild founder Joseph Francis that ran in both Rolling Stone and Radar.
    The not-so-young-anymore Grigoriadis may simply be an opportunistic writer with a rare talent for reselling her work, but what if she’s just plain run out of ideas? Or what if she doesn’t want to write anymore? The New York Post reported in January that she was attending Harvard Divinity School. What if she takes her skills and becomes, oh please help us, a religious leader? Who’s going to be there when we want to read about feuds in the Hamptons or about club promoters doing cocaine or about a bunch of models who live in the same house and compete for the same jobs and men?
    We don’t know, but we’re not worried. If she ever leaves, um, journalism, for something else, she’ll always know how to find a good publicist.
  • Lilytiger · 1 year ago
    Yes she sounds as if she needs help, but what about her editor?

    I don't know how to say that I admire the strength and dignity that I have read here, seen in the Obamas and beyond during this time. I don't know if I would be half as restrained. I have a lot of respect and a lot of sadness that we have to live the way we do.
  • Francis L. Holland · 1 year ago
    As soon as I see the title, "Black & Blacker", I know it's ridicule. The New York Magazine is NOT the New Yorker. It's not an urbane magazine for liberals; it's a color-aroused hate-house.

    I'm sorry. I can't read this article. I've read your excerpts from it, and your commentary, and that's quite enough for me.
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    Is anything in that magazine going to make a difference to you when you enter the voting booth?

    No.

    So why address it?
  • DC · 1 year ago
    This article is deeply problematic, but the idea that it questions Obama's marriage choice is a totally baseless reading of it -- one that reflects poorly, it hardly needs be said, on the author of this post. Indeed, this may well me the most off reading of anything I've ever read.
  • chris chambers · 1 year ago
    Your reaction to the whole issue was knee-jerk to say the least. You all are sounding like the knee-jerk rightwingers on the other side, who, like Pavlov's dogs, salivate when anyone examines anything about Bush-Cheney, now McCain. Come on. New York should be commended for developing the stories while everyone else is spinning their wheels about Michael Phelps or Caylee in Florida or McCain's hemorrhoids. If you are dedicated to report and analyze and blend in different points of view , then blogs are going to be true news outlets rather than opinions, rants, propaganda, entertainment fluff, etc.

    And FYI, there are journalists who are bloggers, but bloggers can be journalists only if they are developing leads, researching, interviewing, writing ledes and good copy, editing, fact checking. That means we've narrowed the field quite a bit. So CPL get off NABJ's ass. They're part of the solution, not the damn problem.