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Re: Black-Latino Tension Is A Figment Of White People’s Imagination (or Desire?)

tutor1 — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:03:02 -0000

Studying isn't easy but if you keep at it you will reap the reward. Everyone should keep learning and not stop.

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tutor1 — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 01:41:05 -0000

Don't stop learning people. Just keep at it and you'll get it eventually.

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melanctha — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:59:31 -0000

Miami's Cuban population is largely descendant from those members of the Battista oligarchy and their lackeys who were forced to flee Cuba with the ascendence of Castro and the revolution. They came from a regime/economy that was largely based on the oppression and discrimination of blacks. (Although, interestingly enough, Battista is considered to have been black. ) They merely continued behaving in the manner to which they were accustomed. They not only look down on blacks but most other hispanics.

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GreenLadyHere — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:33:25 -0000

"And the Beat Goes On" [Sunny & Cher]
Timothy Pratt - Las Vegas Sun: Black-Hispanic Rivalry May Be A Myth [ya think ? :>) :>)

www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jul/28/black-hisp...

Doing this in between projects! Whew! :>) :>) Ya know, I haven't had my "DISS THE DUDE" moments today! It's ruff! :>) :>) :>) Whew. Deep breaths! :>) :>) :>)

Re: Black-Latino Tension Is A Figment Of White People’s Imagination (or Desire?)

Yoyogibear — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:12:04 -0000

Re-posting... I'm a newbie and accidentally posted my reply at the bottom of the page...

I agree with you that white people aren't thinking that hard. As I'm sure everyone here knows, racism isn't really on the average white person's radar on a daily basis.

I think some whites like to focus on a 'divide' between blacks and hispanics (or any other non-white ethnic group) because it validates their own racism. big Media outlets know that one of the products they need to sell to their viewers is a feeling of validation so they cover these bogus stories. I think whites - and I say this as a white person myself - watch/read these stories and figure 'blacks are racist against Mexicans so they're no better than I am!' I know it sounds crazy - not to mention utterly retarded - but I believe it to be true and have heard this sort of rubbish more than once in my life.

I'd like to think there is a more nefarious reason for the coverage (creating division between groups, for example), but I think for the vast majority of the white population that actually make a big deal about this so-called divide, it just makes them feel less bad about their own racism.

Apologies if someone further downthread posted the same thing.

Re: Black-Latino Tension Is A Figment Of White People’s Imagination (or Desire?)

Yoyogibear — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:07:27 -0000

Your points (at least in the first 4 paragraphs) are reasonable. Miami might be an extreme case though. I'm not sure it's representative of America as a whole.

regarding people who have never worked in this country being entitled to social services while older African Americans aren't is a bit more questionable to me. I'm not sure how, say, illegal immigrants could get such services while others, who were born in America, can't get the same services. If there is actual evidence of that happening, I'd be interested in seeing it. I tend to hear it from my right-wing relatives, but don't see much evidence of it myself...

Regarding language issues, put yourself in their shoes. It's possible they don't know the language. If you've ever been overseas, you may have noticed that many Americans (and other foreigners) who live in another country never manage to pick up the language of their host country, either. It's especially difficult for adults who didn't have sufficient exposure to English when they were younger. That might account for the non-English-speaking stores in Miami (though, if they have lived in the US for any period of time, I imagine they can struggle to express themselves at least in very basic English). People with no English skills in America are also often forced, thru necessity, to work in their own communities. Why would boeing, for example, hire someone in the US who speaks *only* Korean? The fact of the matter is, such people have little choice but to start their own business or work in an ethnic supermarket or some other place where they can get by largely thru their own language.

Similarly, Americans aren't the only people who have to learn the 'right' language. I live in Japan and work as a staff recruiter. Many of the jobs I get are at non-Japanese companies and require English skills that the vast majority of Japanese people don't have. As a result, for those Japanese people who weren't fortunate enough to live in America, for example, when they were young and when their parents (father) were working in the US, they either have to learn English on their own time or build a career/life in an area where it's not required.

The tension with regards to language seems completely unnecessary to me. It is what it is. I'm sure language issues have existed since the beginning of human migration. FWIW, if you walk into a store where the employees don't speak English but are talking amongst themselves, I suspect they're engaged in a mundane conversation, just like English speakers are when they work together. Americans seem particularly inclined to think that they're being talked about negatively when they are around others who aren't speaking English. In reality, I think it's seldom that exciting.

Re: Black-Latino Tension Is A Figment Of White People’s Imagination (or Desire?)

Yoyogibear — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:11:21 -0000

I agree with you that white people aren't thinking that hard. As I'm sure everyone here knows, racism isn't really on the average white person's radar on a daily basis.

I think some whites like to focus on a 'divide' between blacks and hispanics (or any other non-white ethnic group) because it validates their own racism. big Media outlets know that one of the products they need to sell to their viewers is a feeling of validation so they cover these bogus stories. I think whites - and I say this as a white person myself - watch/read these stories and figure 'blacks are racist against Mexicans so they're no better than I am!' I know it sounds crazy - not to mention utterly retarded - but I believe it to be true and have heard this sort of rubbish more than once in my life.

I'd like to think there is a more nefarious reason for the coverage (creating division between groups, for example), but I think for the vast majority of the white population that actually make a big deal about this so-called divide, it just makes them feel less bad about their own racism.

Apologies if someone further downthread posted the same thing.

Re: Black-Latino Tension Is A Figment Of White People’s Imagination (or Desire?)

Sombody_took_my_username — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:10:52 -0000

Thanks for the link. He was great here...he seemed so much more relaxed than pre trip. I think he's relieved it went well and he kind of got that hurdle out of the way. Now he has some armour against John McCain on security and foreign policy.

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eclecticbrotha — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:30:38 -0000

Here's Malveaux trying to throw the "Audacity" of him acting like he was "running for president of the world" in his face, allowing Obama to Barack that ass with his answer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCprJK9RC3Y

Re: Black-Latino Tension Is A Figment Of White People’s Imagination (or Desire?)

GreenLadyHere — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:42:43 -0000

eclecta: Tru dat! :>)

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GreenLadyHere — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:38:43 -0000

smoothie: I'm trying to figure out what happened in California. I didn't hear the discussion when Ward came through here. I feel badly for not being involved. I'm just sayin'

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GreenLadyHere — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:35:16 -0000

TruthSeeker: Amen! "Stomp The Devil Out!" [church song :>) :>)

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GreenLadyHere — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:43:36 -0000

msmartin: Band-aid, please! :>) :>)

Re: Black-Latino Tension Is A Figment Of White People’s Imagination (or Desire?)

Squarepeg — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:16:13 -0000

Racial tensions in Miami, Florida are an everyday reality for Black Americans in this city.

With the desire to disenfranchise Black folks for the struggle they waged to obtain civil rights, the powers-that-be in this city, embraced the incoming Cuban migration at the expense of the community, with civil rights legislation used to benefit those folks who had not lifted a finger in the cause of civil rights.

For more than 40 years, the Black community has been subjected to the use of a foreign language as a weapon in order to deny jobs, educational opportunities and other resources. Black politicians to their own detriment have sold out their communities for the proverbial 30 pieces of silver, only to be kicked to the curb by both Hispanics and Whites when they were no longer needed.

At the present time in Miami, the irony is that the white population is less than 20 percent and most middle class Blacks are moving out in droves. It seems that in less than 40 years, civil rights that were designed to balance discrepancies in treatment of Blacks have been turned on their ear to benefit another group that did not lift one finger in support of the legislation they are now taking full advantage of.

People from other countries who have never worked a day in their lives in this country in many cases are entitled to social services, including Social Security Supplemental, that many of our grandparents are denied until they can prove they are US citizens. People affecting the outcomes of elections who have voter registration cards that shouldn't have as they are not US citizens.

The answer to your question for this town if you were to get a Black person to candidly tell the truth would be that yes, there is more than tension between Blacks and Hispanics, there is bitterness that this group of people are benefitting from a struggle they did not suffer from, but many have the audacity to state publicly, proudly, and arrogantly, that Black folks have too much power in this country.

Yes, there is tension and it is not a preception but reality in this place.

Let's be real. When you can't get a job because you don't speak the
"right" language, or you enter a store and no one speaks English, the tension is only exacerbated.

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CraigHickman — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:42:29 -0000

I fell you, TRW.

Barack is pushing back hard, though.

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TRW — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:24:00 -0000

I saw that surge comment. It really angers me that there is no objective viewpoint, or a lack of actual knowledge about what is happening overseas. There are legitimate arguments about the success of the surge, but I guess since John foreign policy expert McCain says that it cured all the evils in Iraq, journalists are too lazy to actually research and find other viewpoints. These people make me sick. This is the same kind of foolishness that had everybody sitting on their hands in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq. Its funny how Obama predicted, to a T, what would happen once we invaded, but instead of acknowledging that, every idiot with a mike wants him to change his view on the "surge." Nobody is brow beating McCain about saying we would be greeted as liberators, the war would be paid for with Iraqi oil, and the hostilities should only last about six months.

I swear smoke is coming out of my ears right now.

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TRW — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:19:22 -0000

WTF. Sometimes Black people embarass the sh** out of themselves for being so openly foolish in public.

Are these people journalists? Where are the standards? Please tell me this wasn't an actual journalist that asked this?

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baratunde — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:30:09 -0000

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eclecticbrotha — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:45:30 -0000

Ouch.

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Sepia — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:37:43 -0000

Finally! I REAL journalist who's willing to tell the truth!

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msmartin — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:17:58 -0000

I heard a Repblican pundit say "they need to know he shares their values". I opine that he likely not only shares their values, but has more.

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msmartin — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:08:05 -0000

Hey Truth, I am and hope you are as well!

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GreenLadyHere — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:07:28 -0000

Lily: SEEEEEE! You go for the "songs" too!! And "old school" is my favorita!! :>) :>)

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GreenLadyHere — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:03:30 -0000

co-signing, ms martin: I don't know how long the mantra that "we don't that much about Mr. Obama" is going to keep up! What more do "they" have ta know?? I know!! [she said dropping her voice in disgust :>)] So at least "they" can keep up the "Black" thing - as you have pointed out!!!
Whew!! (Deep breaths! ) :>) :>)

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Lily — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:59:22 -0000

Thanks to you both. As a great man once sang.

I am everyday people