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Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

webber — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:53:00 -0000

I agree. Huckabee is a smooth operator.

Romney is attacking Huckabee on immigration and commuting 1,038 sentences while governor of AR.

Essentially, Romney is attacking Huckabee for being "merciful," for being a "True Christian" in contrast to everyone else in the Republican field.

I don't how many of you read the article by Lawrence O'Donnell entitled "Romney & Me" on HuffPo...apparently Mormons do believe that Jesus Christ and Satan are brothers. Romney has not denied it.

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

rikyrah — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:58:00 -0000

Democrats can sleep on Huckabee all they want, but they are about to get a hell of a wake up call if he gets the nomination. Of course, he's not going to peel off enough Black votes to have any significant impact in traditional "blue" states, but he can peel off enough Jesus LOVIN' Black folks in OH and FL to win soundly.

NMP,

the thing is, Huckabee doesn't have to win HUGE swaths of Black voters. Only swaths of voters in certain states.

If Hillary is the nominee..

and, she doesn't choose Barack..

And, The Huckster finds his way to the top....

And, he chooses someone solid like Watts or Steele.....

There will be lot of ' Uppity Negroes', whose seething process began with the Sheehan ' Was he a drug dealer?' bullshit. That's a long ass time to be nursing the simmering fury.

And, the truth of the matter is..Not only is The Huckster likeable...but, all his people have to do is get out the word:

As a Southern Republican, he won nearly FIFTY PERCENT of the Black vote

Now, Black folk won't really even need to know what his policy positions are. They really won't care.

Nearly FIFTY PERCENT?

We'll go ' hmmmmmmm', and give him another look. Plus, add in his likeability factor, and he seems like he doesn't hate us...after the disrespecting and Southern Strategizing of The Borg Queen, and Black folk will be ' well, why NOT Huckabee?'

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

ronnie b. — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:48:00 -0000

... personally, I'd want JC Watts, if only for him to be able to just have the air of ' kiss my Black ass' to those who dogged him in the House and did him wrong.

Co-sign. The House ReThugs treated JC like he had a tail. I wouldn't blame him if he wanted nothing to do with any of 'em. That said, I'd love to see him on a Huckabee ticket.

Wouldn't all those enlightened GOP "big tent'ers" just love that.

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

rikyrah — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:55:00 -0000

NMP,

My comments:

1. What about that Black/Brown alliance?

Uh huh.

2. They aren't citizens. And don't vote.

But, I understand what you mean.

3. You're right about Steele, but personally, I'd want JC Watts, if only for him to be able to just have the air of ' kiss my Black ass' to those who dogged him in the House and did him wrong.

Plus, I just like JC better.

But better either of them than Mr. Voter Suppression from Ohio.

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

The Bag of Health and Politics — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:41:00 -0000

Also, Bill's best friend Ron Burkle just bought the Enquirer. On successive weeks it runs covers that bash Obama and Edwards. Coincidence? I think now. I can hear Hillary in the general election now. "What's important is to look at the support I have. I have tabloid support."

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

The Bag of Health and Politics — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:36:00 -0000

I've been thinking they'd go with JC Watts. But I could see Michael Steele too. I think they would lean towards JC Watts because he has more experience than Steele (who only served as Maryland's Lt. Gov., the Lt. Gov. only has one duty here: sit in an office in Annapolis and wait for the Governor to get a new job or die. But Ehrlich did use him as a top adviser and gave him a few issues to head up).

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

NMP — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:55:00 -0000

Rikyrah,

You have to read: http://www.tnr.com/politics...

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

NMP — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:48:00 -0000

Rikyrah,

Michael Steele! Michael Steele! Michael Steele!

I've been saying for months that Michael Steele will get the VP slot for whomever is the Republican nominee.

Democrats can sleep on Huckabee all they want, but they are about to get a hell of a wake up call if he gets the nomination. Of course, he's not going to peel off enough Black votes to have any significant impact in traditional "blue" states, but he can peel off enough Jesus LOVIN' Black folks in OH and FL to win soundly. They are soon going to find out Bill Clinton does not have a lock-hold on charming Black folks. What the hell is Hillary going to do...stay at home and let Bill be the surrogate nominee?

The elitist and "progressive" arm of the Democratic Party still doesn't seem to understand the importance of likeability. Hillary Clinton can do as many Madonna like "reinvention" tours she likes, but she's NEVER going to be liked outside of the Democratic Party. Huckabee and Obama (and Edwards too to a certain degree) are liked by friend and foe alike.

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

NMP — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:36:00 -0000

Hey, Y'all

I sent Ben Smith of the Politico an email yesterday criticizing the lack of coverage and critical commentary from White journalists on the recent racist and bigoted attacks on Senator Obama by Clinton Surrogates. I mentioned that Jack and Jill and other Black blogs were frequently cited when waxing about "is he Black enough?," but on this subject it's been a virtual 'black out'. He responded to my email, and I see today he gives a shout out to Jack and Jill...

http://www.politico.com/blo...

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

D. — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:24:00 -0000

Here I am thinking Clinton/Obama might be a just about unbeatable ticket.....

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

ronnie b. — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:21:00 -0000

Speaking of Clinton sycophants, the National Enquirer (owned by Robert Altman, a Clinton backer and possible choice for Treasury Secretary) is now running stories about John Edwards and some baby-mama drama. Who knows who credible or non-credible the stuff is, but the tabloid shyt's already being thrown.

Look for Barack to suddenly be a former drug-dealin' / closet Moozlum / Disciple gangsta very soon. Cuz since that's all they've got, they're damn well going to use it.

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

Zeke — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:03:00 -0000

Hillary and Bill are fake, evil liars.

The Clinton administration happened, people. It was not your immagination. There really was a continuous string of scandals, wronged women, corrupt officials, bribery, associates on trial, people lying to investigators, people fleeing the country, and finally a disgusting list of pardons of low level crooks (a bunch of Arkansas used car dealers who were convicted of resetting odometers) and rich campaign contributors.

Nothing Hillary could and will do to win power should be a surprise.

I hope Obama's skin is flame-proof as well as black because that whole evil machine is going to be pointed at him soon. The lies, the private eyes, the synophants using code words. All of it is going to be used to try to bring him down.

I consider myself a conservative but see little reason to vote for another Republican after the disgusting behaviour of Bush and the Republican Congress on so many issues.

I pray for Obama every night because he looks like the only real hope to achieve some level of basic goodness and sanity in our politics.

If the Dems are foolish enough to nominate Hillary I will certainly vote for whoever the R's nominate. Evil can not be allowed to win, and Hillary is evil.

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

webber — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:21:00 -0000

RikyRah,

Love the logic here...but if thru sum freak-of-nature, she gets the nom, she's goin with Wesley Clark for VP. More power to them...IF THEY GET IT, which I DO NOT think they will.

If she offered VP to *O*, i sincerely hope that he would decline it...he need only look at John Edwards and appreciate that Democrats don't like "also-rans."

Barack would be damaged goods by tying his boat to the Clintons...I'd rather that he maintain his chaste, political purity than be sullied by Bill Clinton's semen-stained blue dresses...like Al Gore was sullied...thus (supposedly) forcing Gore to choose Joe Lieberman as his running mate to renounce Clinton's actions.

...speaking of Lieberman...I no longer know who is the greater political punk: Joe Lieberman or Larry Craig???

Maybe I'm old-school, but loyalty still matters to me.

...I have to concur with the other posts/comments on Huckabee...I genuinely like that dude.

Tho we may disagree on Evolution and a woman's-right-to-choose, i'd feel infinitely more comfortable with someone like Huckabee in the White House...compared to Bush...or...another Clinton.

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

The Bag of Health and Politics — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:16:00 -0000

It won't work in Iowa. That's what is so funny about this whole situation. It's designed to get people to not vote for a candidate because of his race. And in the privacy of the voting booth, that could still work (though I think Maryland's election for US Senate last year proved that is no longer the case.

But in Iowa, that just isn't going to fly. People go to vote with 100 of their neighbors. If they said they were for Obama in the parking lot, but vote for Clinton inside, then the entire town will know they flip flopped and it'd be tantamount to going to the City Council meeting and outing yourself on an embarrassing personal prejudice that you have. In short, it isn't going to happen in a caucus. It's an open, not a secret, ballot that is done by a show of hands.

Once Obama wins one state, the freight train will take off. It'll prove that he can win, get white votes, etc. It'll erase doubts about him...It's why the Clintons are fighting so hard at the moment.

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

rikyrah — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:48:00 -0000

Rikyrah,

Tavis Smiley said last week that if Huckabee is the nominee, Democrats are in for a rude awakening. He reminded/informed that Huckabee consistantly got half of the Black vote in AR. You yourself said that you found him inexplicably appealing after the first Republican debate. And you were not alone. I can not tell you the number of Black folks who said the same thing.

NMP,

Get.out.of.my.head.

I think that too many 'Progressives' just easily dismiss Huckabee. Truth is, and the MSM GOP doesn't want to admit it, but...

He's their best chance of keeping the White House.

Period.

I saw the latest polls in OHIO and PENNSYLVANIA - Hillary wins NEITHER

TODAY.

NEITHER.

I keep on going back to this...

George Bush ' won' in 2004 because of Ohio.

He 'won' Ohio because he got 16% of the Black vote.

The ONLY GOP candidate that could go back into those churchs and get that 16% is HUCKABEE.

And, don't let Huckabee get truly smart, and understand that the GOP is probably going to write off the Hispanic Vote this time.

Follow me, NMP.

SHE wins the nomination.

SHE does NOT pick Barack as her running mate.

Because it is HER, the GOP is unified...but, being unified is not enough...they need an 'ace' (pun intended) in the hole.

Take a selection from the shallow Black GOP Bench as VP choice. Whatever their 'natural inclinations', they despise HER, so it won't keep them home, and they will say to themselves that they'll get Huckabee to throw the Black VP over in four years.

I truly shudder to think about it.

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

ronnie b. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:20:00 -0000

I know conventional wisdom says these [suggestive racial] tactics will backfire, but I can't help but think it's dirty but quite effective in two of the 'whitest' states in the country whose citizens' "familiarity" with Black folks is limited media images of exagerrated Black male criminality.

One reason you're right, is because we won't see such tactics in the South Carolina primary. But unfortunately, in Iowa and New Hampshire it's still quite believeable that NO Black person can be that good. Even Obama.

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

NMP — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:15:00 -0000

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

NMP — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:08:00 -0000

Love it! Jill, you'll have to expound on your "soft spot" for the Clintons. I'm one of the few who just don't get the infatuation.

I know conventional wisdom says these tactics will backfire, but I can't help but think it's dirty but quite effective in two of the 'whitest' states in the country whose citizens' "familiarity" with Black folks is limited media images of exagerrated Black male criminality. Polls released today show her bouncing back. What accounts for this sudden change? The White "liberal" media will attribute it to concerns of "electability" or some other bull shit like she's proving her "likeability". These 'pat themselves on the back' White liberals will never broach the subject of racism within the Democratic party. As far as they are concerned, it's non-existant. Hell, Pat Buchanan was allowed to say twice in the last week on MSNBC that the allegations of drug dealing must be true; otherwise, Shaheen would not have brought them up, and not one of the other ALL WHITE panelists objected. Chris Matthews was unsuccessful at getting anyone on his ALL WHITE panel to say it was dirty. Chris Cillizza of WaPo shrugged it off as politics as usual. Forgive me if I thought the era of the Dixicrats was over and that such racist attacks were no longer politics as usual.

You know the old joke, "What do you call a Black man with a PhD? A Nigger." In this case, "What do you call a Black Harvard Law grad, US Senator and devoted husband and father? a drug dealing muslim."

Unfortunately, the joke is on all of us.

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

nyc/caribbean ragazza — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:17:00 -0000

Another poster brought up a good point.

Given all the love our people have for the "first black President", why it that Bush appointed more blacks to senior position in his administration?

The strategy Billary is using againt Obama is backfiring. People I know who were on the fence are now going to vote against her. Please.

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

dnA — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:00:00 -0000

There is no such thing as a "nigger," not as far as human beings are concerned. There is only the idea of a nigger, used to invoke fear of black people and culture.

That's why Jill's use of the word here is so appropriate: Kerrey is attempting to manipulate you into fearing something that doesn't really exist.

And it'll work, because it's worked before.

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

ronnie b. — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:17:00 -0000

Personally, I think equating "underperforming black youth" with "niggers" is a lot extreme, and has a hint of elitism to it (i.e., making the assumption that those who "underperform" are automatically "niggers").

That's fair; "niggers" may be a bit too strong. At the same time, it's proper to conclude that there's something implicit in Kerrey's statements. And those implications are age-old and very real.

Ask yourself why White-dominated media, pundits, etc. aren't opining about and analyzing John Edwards' or Hillary Clinton's "whiteness". Yet they can't help reminding the country that Barack is "African American"--even when they purport to be doing so in a good way.

It's these constant reminders of "Blackness" that has heightened my (and many others') concerns.

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

D. — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:49:00 -0000

"He SAID some things that are assumed to be loaded with fear and distrust of a Black person who might ascend to a position of great power and influence."

Key word being "assumed," right?

I don't care who's involved, and what their end goal is. What I care about is how the words of others can be twisted to prove whatever point that needs to be made. Personally, I think equating "underperforming black youth" with "niggers" is a lot extreme, and has a hint of elitism to it (i.e., making the assumption that those who "underperform" are automatically "niggers").

For all that, I have a high regard for Obama...does that make me racist?

Personally, I don't disagree that Obama's having spent time around Muslims (now that the background has been cleared up a bit) is a good thing. He's got some insight into their thought process, so may or may not be useful. I have no problem, however, with equating Obama's election to failure in the War on Terror.

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

Nedsdag — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:54:00 -0000

Let me get this straight: First he's "Baby Genius," then he's "American Gangster," finally, he's Farrakhan, oooh, that Obama's really scary!

Remember boys and girls, this is the same man who took time out from the campaign to put a black brain damaged inmate to death to show that he was "tough on crime."

Enough of "Plantation Politics." The Clintons don't owe us anything. They just want your vote.

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

ronnie b. — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:52:00 -0000

Well ... yes. He SAID some things that are assumed to be loaded with fear and distrust of a Black person who might ascend to a position of great power and influence.

And as bad as it sounds, it's an issue that Hillary may well be indirectly or benignly involved.

Re: Bob Kerrey on Barack Obama — A Modest Translation

D. — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:05:00 -0000

My concern is this: did Bob Kerrey actually SAY anything that it's assumed here is being said?

Can we have an argument based on the issues and where a candidate stands, rather than one that's based on assumptions and interpretations?