DISQUS

Jack and Jill Politics: Booman Tribune Lays Out Why Clinton On Wright Is So Wrong

  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.


    Now this is genuinely disturbing.
  • Ms.Martin · 1 year ago
    Wow - many of the same words I used in my email to Donna Brazile are used in this story: hurt, piling on, divisive.


    I went further to say that she added to misinformation regarding the African American church and community, a community that the Clinton's claim to support and understand.



    And, by proxy, sponsored white Americans to hate and act on hate that stems from a misunderstanding of culture in some cases and a hate for what is different in others.



    I am sick and want this to end.
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    Dear Speaker Pelosi,


    FIRST OF ALL, thank you for standing strong in this Democratic nomination campaign-cum-farce.



    That you would be "threatened" by the big wallets in the Democratic party to edit your public statements about this farce has compelled me to write this email.



    I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes in national politics.



    Scratch that. Yes I do. And none of them are good.



    I got an undergraduate degree in government in 1990 with the intention of becoming a lawyer and entering politics but turned to the arts instead after experiencing a moment of clarity. I'm so glad I did.



    National politics has left me disillusioned. I'm 40-years-old and I have never voted for a president in my lifetime. Partly because in every eligible election for which I've been alive, the name Bush or Clinton has been on the ballot. And even though I lived in Massachusetts in 1988 where I was an undergraduate at Harvard, I could never bring myself to take Govenor Dukakis seriously as a presidential candidate.



    I didn't then nor do I now see much difference between the Bush and Clinton families. Both families crave power for power's sake and they'll do anything to get it and keep it. I suppose many politicians do, but I've never seen ambition so dangerously raw in any politicians since Richard Nixon. And for all of President Clinton's "charisma", I've never trusted anything out of his mouth.



    Never.



    Senator Clinton is worse than all of them. And I mean that. I have compassion for her as a human being, but as a politician she is entirely unacceptable. I've never seen someone pander so much and if she doesn't get what she wants from the group she's pandering to, she turns nasty. I've never seen this in such sharp relief till yesterday when she kicked the Black electorate in the gut by taking a cheap swipe at Reverend Wright and the Black Church. What did it matter? After all, the Black electorate is voting en masse for Senator Obama. How she thinks a majority of African Americans will vote for her again, and believe me, she does, exhibits a paternalism (and that's putting it diplomatically) that has soured my stomach.



    But her blatant mission to ruin the Democratic party's chance to grow its base at this crucial juncture in American history is unconscionable.



    It goes beyond entitlement.



    I don't know what deals have been made between the Clintons and other powerful and wealthy people like those who "threatened" you today, like the foreign leaders who contribute to the Clintons coffers (where are those tax returns and donor lists, by the way?), but the Senator from Illinois is threatening to make all of them moot.



    What's the master plan, Speaker Pelosi? There has to be one because otherwise, no Democratic leader in his or her right mind would be allowing the Clintons' vicious destruction of Barack Obama. Unless there's a master plan. There's got to be one. Can it be derailed? Please tell me it can. Because what the Clintons are doing is no good for the party and is certainly no good for America.



    Barack Obama is waking us up. He's inspiring the disillusioned to follow national politics with an enthusiasm I've never seen in my lifetime. He's more Bobby than Jack and that's alright with me.



    We must stop the madness. We simply must.



    And we must stop in now, not in June, not in August, but now.



    What can you do? What will you do?



    Sincerely,



    Craig Hickman

    Winthrop, ME
  • Texas Girl in L.A. · 1 year ago
    The (progressive blogs) Blue Majority sites, Daily Kos, Swing State Project and Open Left have officially endorsed Obama.


    Read the reasons why.



    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/26/125659/086



    They have added Obama to their ActBlue fundraising page.
  • andy · 1 year ago
    dear jack and jill, booman tribune makes it clear for the reader. the democratic party risks losing the black vote in this and maybe more elections. the clintons appear to be eliciting and exacerbating the white bigot within the party. they are driving this bus over the ledge. that is psycho. everyday they say or do something new that is really off. somedays there are multiple anecdotes. yesterday senator clinton launched back into her plan to subvert the pledge delegate system as well as bringing up rev. wright. she is psycho. one of the newspaper interviews she gave looked like a police tape. she looked awful. the former prez is also psycho. he seems totally unhinged. who is dressing him? his tie knot seems to big. his hands are strangely delicate as he points and jabs. he looks a little like w.c. fields. lets try to see the humor in their psychoness and trust it will work out. what else can we do? i suggest the doctored video of bombs going off around her in tusla. it is a hoot.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    I'm still confused here: what gives anyone the right to step in and ask the DNC leadership to call the race?


    Granted, I don't like Clinton either, but if neither candidate can win outright, she's more than entitled to keep going until someone wins the nomination.



    Don't like her, don't vote for her. But you can't make her quit.
  • Ronnie B · 1 year ago
    D sez:


    I'm still confused here...



    Obviously our therapy sessions with you need to be more aggressive. ;-)
  • Ronnie B · 1 year ago
    dear jack and jill, booman tribune makes it clear for the reader. the democratic party risks losing the black vote in this and maybe more elections. the clintons appear to be eliciting and exacerbating the white bigot within the party. they are driving this bus over the ledge. that is psycho.--Andy


    That's right, Andy. It's becoming clear to me that the Clintons are on an "ethnic cleansing" mission of the Democratic Party -- at least as far as Blacks are concerned.



    They knew full well that they would lose our vote when they started the race-baiting. They've since calculated that if they can poison the minds of White Democrats, then a mass Black defection wouldn't mean a whole lot. In fact, with Blacks gone from the Democratic Party, it might bring back some of the white "Reagan Democrats" who left the party decades ago.



    What needs to happen is for good people of all races and ethnicities to recognize this for what it is, and speak out against it.
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    It was Clinton who was ASKED what she thought of Wright by a reporter.


    She's not the one who brought it up.



    Her response was simple, short and completely sensible: The guy wouldn't have been my pastor. Period.



    And from that, we once again get the complete freak-out and melee of race-baiting out of the Obama Compound and its cultists that we've all grown accustomed to, ever since the knee-jerk shrieks of "racism!" occurred after Bill Clinton called Obama a "kid".

    F'ing laughable.
  • The Christian Progressive Libe · 1 year ago
    Two things:


    (1)Booman Tribune nailed it. You don't take potshots at the Black Church. If they were good enough for Hillary and Bill to be shilling in when he was running for POTUS, she needs to STHU.



    (2)She's got her donors threatening Pelosi - Rikyrah has the link. Threatening people who don't agree with you - hmmmm, sounds like a current, sitting POTUS who stole his way into office, TWICE.



    Toxic is exactly right. She's poisoning the Democractic Party, and the only reason I can think of why Howard Dean hasn't pulled the trigger on her is that the Democrats don't want Obama as the nominee; but they also know they risk evisceration of the entire Democratic Party if they pull the superdelegate mess.



    One more thing - the silence of the Congressional Black Caucus is loud to the point of being deafening - and it's also a call to action for us to recruit, develop, train and field candidates to give all of them, save for Jesse Jackson, Jr., and the other half who hasn't endorsed anyone, primary challenges in 2010.



    Stephanie Tubbs-Jones - needs a primary challenger.



    Sheila Jackson-Lee - needs a primary challenger.



    John Lewis - has a primary challenger.



    Maxine Waters - hiccup or bump in the road of usual good deeds?



    Al Wynn - defeated and replaced in the primary by Donna Edwards. Tried to save himself by endorsing Obama in the end.



    Emmanuel Cleaver - needs a primary challenger.



    The rest need primary challengers because they could band together as a caucus and help put an end of Hillary's scorching of the Party by demanding she stand down, and that Bill will no longer be welcomed in Black Communities if she keeps this up.



    The CBC needs a house-cleaning through primary challengers. Either they will straighten up and fly right, or get swept out with the trash. It's their call, but our call to action is to force it.
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    Doesn't Obama get it? Every time he contextualizes Wright, he loses. Every time Obama impugns the motives of those who worried over the relationship, he loses. Every time Obama suggests that Wright was a healer whose words were misused by those suspect to inflame ("[it] spoke to some of the racial divisions we have") he loses.
  • justice58 · 1 year ago
    anon 6:31,


    No, Barack doesn't lose! Just take a look at the recent polls! Get over your hate! Time to move the country forward! It's time for that lying Hillary with imagined sniper fire to get the hell outta the race!
  • SquarePeg · 1 year ago
    Anon 6:30,


    You say Clinton only responded after being asked the question, but the better point would be, why would she have an editorial conference with a paper owned by a m/billionaire, Scaife, whose mission in life has been to excoriate both Hillary and Bill Clinton whenever he had the chance.



    Scaife funded numerous investigations into proving that Vince Foster was killed by the Clintons, advocated for the impeachment of Bill and sponsored the swiftboating of John Kerry.



    The paper where she was asked that question is a known conservative paper that usually attacks progressive points of views and Hillary knew that when she accepted their invitation for a sit down meeting.



    Now knowing that, and better yet Hillary knowing this is a conservative paper, you would think that one of the first questions she would be asked would be about the Reverend Wright so-called controversy. Hillary knew exactly what she was doing, and they gave her the perfect platform to spew what she wanted to say knowing that they would ask that question.



    The people on this blogs are not the ones who will run when you throw out those misdirection bones. We know what day to go and vote, and we know as well when someone is trying to justify the unjustifiable.



    Go back to trollville.
  • SquarePeg · 1 year ago
    One more thing - the silence of the Congressional Black Caucus is loud to the point of being deafening - and it's also a call to action for us to recruit, develop, train and field candidates to give all of them, save for Jesse Jackson, Jr., and the other half who hasn't endorsed anyone, primary challenges in 2010.
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    As many on this blog have said in previous posts regarding the CBC, the silence is truly deafening and only confirms what many have already realize: a bunch of rag-head, self-interested sell-outs.



    They truly didn't think Obama had a chance.



    I wonder what all these handkerchief-heads are saying to Ms. Hillary now that she has kicked the Black community in the gut. Her "true colors" are showing, now will they show theirs?
  • D. · 1 year ago
    Justice,
    What Anon 6:30 is saying is that every time Obama tries to explain away the relationship, he just digs a deeper hole. It's got nothing to do with polls. Like I said before: if you want the issue to go away, stop giving it airtime.



    Peg,

    Why are the CBC now sellouts? Because they're staying out of the election or because they're backing Clinton?



    If it's the former, the anger is justified. If it's the latter, it's misplaced.
  • justice58 · 1 year ago
    d,


    "What Anon 6:30 is saying is that every time Obama tries to explain away the relationship, he just digs a deeper hole".

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    According to who? You & anon ghost!



    d, you're really seeing something that is not there! There is NO there...there!
  • D. · 1 year ago
    Justice,
    According to the fact that most of America took him at his word-both before and after his speech-and that those who didn't are just going to keep attacking him over it.



    Let them talk, write them off, and move on. There's more important stuff in the world.
  • justice58 · 1 year ago
    d,


    The ones that are attacking Barack isn't going to vote for him anyway & their main objective is to stop white voters from voting for him!



    These are the haters! The mean, spiteful haters to anything and all that is good!
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    D,


    I think you are right and I am a BO supporter. They are and will continue to be ALL over his comments re:Wright. In fact, it gives Fox all the more reason to play the clips every time Wright is mentioned by anyone! In fact, all day long yesterday Fox had "BREAKING" news about Wright..he changed locations...he canceled an appearance. Seriously guys, it was "BREAKING NEW"!! Even MSNBC made fun of it!
  • D. · 1 year ago
    Justice,
    So let them hate. If you stop discussing them, you push them more and more to the fringes.



    If you know they're not going to vote for him anyway, why give them airtime? The more you push back, the more angry you look to those same white voters, and by default, you drag the campaign down.



    I don't think anyone cares about the actual issue anymore, but believe that the more you attack Obama's attackers, the more unifed you're going to make some whites against Obama.
  • craig · 1 year ago
    The Nixons are spreading some newsletter from TUCC in which Wright criticizes Israel's role in Palestine.


    So now he's anti-Israel and pro-Palestine and that means that Obama is lying about his pro-Israel stances and he will lose Jewish voters.



    That's what the talking heads are suggesting anyway.



    Will voters see this is desperate smear tactic or will they believe it?
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    The only Obama attackers I'm attacking are Bill and Hillary Rodham Nixon.
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    This article got lost in this post, but it's linked in the entire article posted above.


    Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics



    Read it. It's an eye opener to be sure.
  • justice58 · 1 year ago
    "The only Obama attackers I'm attacking are Bill and Hillary Rodham Nixon.


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    ahahahhahahahaha! I'm with you!
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    Her response was simple, short and completely sensible: The guy wouldn't have been my pastor. Period.


    And from that, we once again get the complete freak-out and melee of race-baiting out of the Obama Compound and its cultists that we've all grown accustomed to, ever since the knee-jerk shrieks of "racism!" occurred after Bill Clinton called Obama a "kid".

    F'ing laughable



    And, the further comparisons of Wright to:

    a) Don Imus

    b) DAVID DUKE



    Oh, I guess those were innocent too.
  • SquarePeg · 1 year ago
    d,


    Thats not what Anon 6:30 said, he was trying desperately to misdirect this discussion by arguing that she was ASKED the question. Had she not gone to that rag, how was she going to get her talking point for day out? It was all calculated since she is now so desperate that she doesn't care about the Black vote at all at this point, assuming that since most of us would not vote for McCain, we would eventually return to the Democratic fold and vote for her. Ain't going to happen. She has truly gone over the line.



    Also, the CBC has been sell-outs long before the Obama/Clinton campaigns began. These people are interested in only one thing: themselves and maintaining their perceived entitled life time positions. It's time for them to retire.



    At this point, they are running scared, because they were waiting for Obama to collapse so they could bring their sorry asses out of the closet and openly support Hillary. They have waited to long and have painted themselves in a corner, they they now have to live with.



    Hopefully, the people who have supported these posers will vote them out ASAP!
  • justice58 · 1 year ago
    " It was all calculated since she is now so desperate that she doesn't care about the Black vote at all at this point, assuming that since most of us would not vote for McCain, we would eventually return to the Democratic fold and vote for her. Ain't going to happen.
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    Damn straight! Ain't gonna happen!



    Squarepeg,



    That's exactly what the Handkerchief Heads thought! They were looking for Barack to collaspe because he is running against a Clinton! They got tricked- The m-fers!



    Their @sses will be voted--O.U.T.!



    One thing that disgusts me is an Uncle Tom Handkerchief Head M-Fer!



    Hey, I get emotional!
  • justice58 · 1 year ago
    Looks Like Pelosi Ain't Taking No Sh%t! Go Nancy---Go Nancy!


    http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0308/Pelosis_office_responds_to_Clinton_supporters.html#comments





    Pelosi's office responds to Clinton supporters





    Brendan Daly, a spokesman for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), responded late Wednesday night to a letter by supporters of New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton urging his boss to stop making comments about the superdelegates respecting the will of Democratic primary voters and caucus-goers:



    “Speaker Pelosi is confident that superdelegates will choose between Sens. Clinton or Obama — our two strong candidates — before the convention in August," Daly said. "That choice will be based on many considerations, including respecting the decisions of millions of Americans who have voted in primaries and participated in caucuses. The speaker believes it would do great harm to the Democratic Party if superdelegates are perceived to overturn the will of the voters. This has been her position throughout this primary season, regardless of who was ahead at any particular point in delegates or votes.”



    The Clinton supporters had asked Pelosi, who remains neutral in the presidential contest, to refrain from making comments that could influence undecided superdelegates to back the candidate with the most votes — who, at this point, happens to be the New York senator's rival, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama. But Daly's comments suggest the speaker will not be backing off her stance anytime soon.
  • justice58 · 1 year ago
    Nancy Pelosi can wear a skirt and still have a pair!


    Go Nancy ---Go Nancy!
  • Ronnie B · 1 year ago
    d sez:
    Justice,

    So let them hate. If you stop discussing them, you push them more and more to the fringes.



    Evil (and hate) prevail where good people do nothing.



    D prefers that his political opponents do nothing so that the hatefulness of Clintonism and (some) Republicanism may prevail.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    Fine. Keep pushing the issue, keep pissing people off, and I'll see you at President McCain's inauguration.


    It's not about doing nothing; it's about knowing what battles to fight and which ones not to. Like I said earlier, most of America already thinks this (Wright) isn't an issue. Why continue to give it creedence? Aren't there more important things to discuss?



    What will ultimately happen is the the Obama campaign (and its supporters) will get stuck in defense. Let's face it: Obama is going to get attacked from ALL sides. Unless the resources exist to fend of every single attack (which I already know they don't), there's going to be some stuff you have to let ride.



    But if 55% of the country is satisfied with the explantion of Wright, guess what: you've made your point. Let the pundits talk; that's their job. But don't plant your flag here.



    Make this your line in the sand, and you lose.
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    D,


    I agree. You have to pick and chose your battles and sometimes it can be hard but you have to take the high ground! I for one, don't think I can take the continuous dicussion of Wright. They are anxiously waiting to start running thouse sound bite "religiously" again! As an Obama supporter who knows they took it out of context it's hard for me to listen to!!!! Not to mention that I don't agree with everything he says particulary the "angry" sounding tone. BO does NOT need to be seen as the angry black man! Bill already said they are "picking on the girl". Come on! That's exactly what racists/racially senstive/racially challenged etc need to completely go mad! The angry Black man cheating the women out of her "rightful" place in history. Many women relate to this- no matter the ethnicity. As they told Oprah - we are woman first! You see how Oprah backed off. Woman (mostly white) are her bread and butter - not that she needs any more!! :-) At any rate, the last thing a woman needs, particulary a white woman is to think an angry Black man is "cheating" Hillary out of what she deserves!

    n
  • Ronnie B · 1 year ago
    It's not about doing nothing; it's about knowing what battles to fight and which ones not to. Like I said earlier, most of America already thinks this (Wright) isn't an issue. Why continue to give it creedence?


    We didn't introduce Rev. Wright in the first place, so I think you're misplaced in suggesting that we retire the issue. It's Sean Hannity; it's Rush Limbaugh; it's Neil Boortz; it's Michael Savage; it's FOX News; it's all of your favorite conservative pundits who are working feverishly to keep the issue alive.



    Now, if there's one thing that I preach is to never surrender the power of self-definition. So it is in this situation--where a non-Black news media is essentially mis-defining a vital element American and Black culture, that somebody has to hold forth and not allow this to happen.



    And if you Black conservatives who value the opinions of the folks who seek to mis-define the Black church and Black culture won't speak up, then others will.



    You see, this isn't about Obama as much as it's about maintaining our power of self-definition.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    Disagree in part. Like a lot of things of late, the black community as a whole hasn't really cared about their definition (watch BET lately?) until now.


    But back to the point: you think that anyone in the group you just named is seriously going to vote for Obama? Of course not. If you cover the chink in the armor, people will stop trying to hit it.



    Obama's stuck in this one spot. If he stays here, he'll miss his chance to offer his stance on the REAL issues in our country.
  • Angela · 1 year ago
    I just had a good laugh. I can't remember the blog but someone titled their cartoon or video of Hillary as "Full Metal Pant Suit!"
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    Obama's crazy old Uncle Rev. Wright will do him in against McCain. This stuff may be said every day in the Black Church but for the rest of America (84%) it is very offensive. God Bless America works better with a country at war. Many families have kin fighting overseas and will take Rev. Wright's comments as hateful and disrespectful. I know I do. Obama should put Rev. Wright behind him now.
  • justice58 · 1 year ago
    anon 7:23,


    Ain't gonna happen! Is your understanding warped? Barack will not disown Rev Wright! You can bring it up til the cows come home but Barack ain't backing down for you or any of your Rethug buddies!

    Capeesh!



    Move or get out the f-ing way!