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The powers that be aren't going to let a black man be president. They'll let him build up the machinery to get Clinton a win though. That's why the super delegates aren't controlling her. They want her to so damage Obama that they'll say he can't beat McCain and give Hillary the nomination. Then they'll turn around and ask the grassroots machine that he built to come out and support her with money and boots on the ground. They are stupid stupid people. Mean conniving people usually are stupid and shortsighted and this campaign is proving it.
I'm ill.
"Where were you when the Canadian government said it was not my campaign but YOUR campaign that reassured them that the anti-NAFTA talk was all politics? Where was the outrage when Bob Johnson said I was a naive 'Guess Who's Coming to Dinner' black man? Where was your call for a resignation when your staffers planted race-baiting into the Nevada caucuses? Your calls for actions are hollow, your outrage false and your campaign theme of "Ready to Lead on Day One" is laughable. You either cannot lead an ethical campaign or you don't want to; no matter which you don't deserve the presidency, you won't get the nomination and you should, if you really care about the country should just step down and help us beat John McCain."
There is reason to be very concerned and as some one who wants to see him lead this party and nation for years to come, I hope he can pull it altogther!
He had better get in gear and stop falling for her tricks and demands, lies and double standards.
Man up Obama, she is playing you like a cheap fiddle now, and, you had better listen to your wife in how to take on this evil, two bit HRC. take her own for all her dirty workers, like the ones who had the gall to comapre you to Ken Starr, who was just doing his job and showed the corruption, and lies that the tag teaming Clintons are best known for.
I think that folks need take a deep, deep breath.
Barack can handle the pressure, the heat, the flack, and the mess. Yes, the Clinton campaign is controlling the media spin at the moment. But it's important that he stands for what he stands for and demonstrates that he stands for what he says.
In the meantime, Hillary Clinton is demonstrating more of the same. Same as it ever was. As Malcolm stated, "chickens come home to roost."
Also, WY has a caucus and the media spin will be quite different in 24 hours.
AYFKM!
It may indeed be time for him to shake up his own campaign people. It's hard to run against racism, which if you look at the exit polls, is what Hillary won on, but he's gotten too far to just give up the fight. We all have, and the day after he lost Ohio, I went right to his site and donated again, and more than the last time. We can't let her have the contest, but he can't either.
White Democrats will be happy with Clinton or Obama. Even happier with a Clinton/Obama ticket. They will say, well, he just isn't ready. Be the VP, get some experience and you can have it in 2016. Just ask your friend at Daily Kos. Obama was their 3rd choice.
Any thoughts?
On one hand I think that his advisers are highly intelligent and educated people. They are smart enough to understand that they are targets in a political campaign. Given that they are targets, they should be smart enough to exercise some self control and keep their personal opinions to themselves. I think it would be wise policy for them to stick to the issues in a professional way and just resist the urge to give their citizen/voter opinions.
On the other hand, the advisers are unpaid and un-elected. They are not only advisers but citizens and therefore entitled to their opinions. Maybe the campaign should have said that Samantha was not acting on the campaigns behalf in that interview and is a citizen and voter entitled to her own opinion and cannot be "fired" because she has not been hired.
Barack is in a very bad position with regard to public perception. He has allowed Hillary to call the shots by demanding firing of an unpaid adviser even though Hillary is behind in the Primaries. It is part of her campaign to emasculate him - make him seem like a boy who takes orders from her: "shame on you.." etc. She is trying to make him look spineless and weak.
Obama needs to do a better job of following up and being specific in his valid criticisms of Hillary. In debates where he has the upper hand, he fails to follow through with detail...he backs off too early. He really needs to be more focused and drill down to land an effective hit.
HRC hints about a joint ticket wherever & whenever it suits her, and there is no serious in-your-face fire from the Obama camp...no strong response that would put that BS proposal to rest. She promotes McCain & touts their 'experience' while denigrating Obama, and there is no biting response from the Obama camp.
HRC has no worthwhile experience or qualifications to talk about. She is no Feinstein, Boxer or E. Dole...all women who have blazed their own political trails & who would be more than qualified to run for the POTUS.
This whole thing is getting tiring. The downside for BO is that it has the potential to alienate supporters who believe in him, but who may be tiring of his placid/safe responses. I understand he doesn't want to be pigeon-holed as the angry black man but he has to do something..
Deliver the KO punch and be done already! Dang!!!
The GOP and McCain are just loving this.
www.warrentoons.com/WT%20Political%20Cartoons%20Page/
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and i remember this
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and this
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and even this
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aren't they like just out of monster inc?
in the next weeks, let's all wear t-shirts like this one
ex-it.com.ar/novedades/?p=702
with "hrc for prez" written on it.
or maybe a cookie monster button, or...
well, maybe someone can come up with a really cute design. not nasty. let's just make fun of the affair.
Why did she have to say anything?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_I5pFuHoxg
she never apologised.
and watch
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwsWSWmpcx8
hillarious!
or do your own search for hillary and monster on youtube. enjoy.
YES. yes yes yes this is true.
So, now telling the truth can get you canned?
Apparently ... and this is a bad sign for the Obama campaign IMO, that he would not stand behind her and let her speak truth. I am all for dignity and the high road, but truth is truth. Hillary Clinton in fact IS a monster. Corrupt, lying, vicious, monstrous. This is truth. It is plain to see in her actions. Samantha Powers spoke it.
I felt very hopeful initially re Sen Obama's campaign and the vision/possibility of him as the US president. Something initially seemed right to me about what he was doing and how he was doing it.
But I feel he has been giving ground steadily *all along* when it comes to standing solidly grounded in truth (as his source of real dignity), which is a strength he had, and IMO could have retained.
That's the thing -- I didn't see the pattern until now but -- Hillary Clinton and co are skilled manipulators and liars in the very strong tradition of the lies this country is built on to start with. It has never been kitchen sink tactics for them. Their naming it that was was another lie.
It has instead been a steady strategic chess-game-like push to erode whatever real power Sen Obama had to start with in relation to voters.
So for example: the NAFTA-Canada thing. Clinton got away with blatant lies in a sort of jaw-droppingly monstrous way. But look at the context. Why was NAFTA such a huge point of apparent conflict in the first place when in truth Obama and Clinton hold similar policy positions at this point?
Well, I reflected on it and talked about it with another Obama supporter. This is what we think -- Obama has for some time now been dancing to Clinton's tune, making distinctions on HER terms and not based on truth.
His campaign has been trying to find differences between Clinton and Obama based on how HER campaign defines policy and substance rather than coming from a place where truth is truth. He went overboard with raising NAFTA like he did, and that made him vulnerable to Clinton's lies re: Canada.
What would a rock-bottom truth-based Obama campaign have looked like?
How I see it is: He initially raised hope and spirit among voters in a big way. I believe that this was a real thing he was doing and that it was not reflective of "words" versus action (as was spun by Clinton and seemed to be accepted even by Obama's campaign).
But I think his initial strength was reflective of the real and most fundamental difference between Obama and Clinton: their approaches to leadership itself.
Obama has a background in community organizing. I am not the world's biggest fan of CO (or at least Alinsky-style and derivatives) but even so I feel like it is a momentous thing for a presidential candidate to have that kind of experience.
Senator Obama knows how to listen as well as speak. Senator Obama has a "we" approach to things. As much as is possible, Senator Obama has the possibility of a more ground-up approach to leadership as the US president.
In contrast, Senator Clinton only knows how to speak, she does not listen. She wants power, she is all top-down, she is the Great White Mommy who consistently insults voters' intelligence, disrespects us, and gets away with it because she promotes herself as an expert who will take care of us when we hand her the power to be in charge.
From the start, the change versus experience theme was a little off. Truth was that it was not change versus experience. It was change related to what kinds of experience matter for leadership. It was change related to how we in this country understand political leadership in the first place. I think there are very valid issues in this approach, and that Senator Obama is someone who would have been able to raise them very well.
I also feel that looking at what kinds of experience make a good leader would have brought out the obvious but under-scrutinized problems in Clinton's approach to experience overall. So much of what she is talking about as her own experience is experience based on her being the spouse of someone who was elected rather than being elected herself. I think there was a lot of good scrutiny based on truth and the real difference between the candidates that could have happened out of this approach.
Instead, Clinton's campaign called the tune all along.
First, they worked to de-legitimize Obama's actual power by framing it to their advantage. It was a fairy tale. It was a cult. It was words in contrast with action. They framed it. It was a lie, a huge ugly distortion -- but it worked because lies are effective and expected in the political realm.
Clinton's fairy tale/cult framing increasingly led Sen Obama's campaign toward the defensive and toward enagaging on her terms -- for example, to focusing on Clinton's narrow and misleading definitions of "substance" and trying to make distinctions on that level rather than the actual solid true and substantial distinctions between them regarding approach to leadership and kinds of experience.
But Obama's campaign began working to prove his worth on her terms ... played on her field to her advantage ... when really, the true difference between the two candidates is Just Not Visible on her terms (see how that works?).
So Obama was already a bit away from standing on solid ground when he started to hammer on NAFTA as a stand-alone point of difference between him and Clinton. And that made him particularly vulnerable to her lies because he wasn't standing on 100% solid ground to begin with in his focus on it as space to attack her from.
And this is just one example.
I am heartbroken at possibilities lost right now. Freaking heartbroken.
Is there any way for the Obama campaign to get back into standing on truly solid ground? Because the way I see it, him throwing punches/trying to fight back when he is on HER ground, on her terms, just won't work IMO.
"So there are some people who like Obama, but are worried that he is unwilling or too noble to throw punches like the clintons.
Well, my friends, this is the Obama version of the Bob Johnson hit and it contrasts how Hillary is a carpet bomber, while Obama is smart precision bomber.
In SC, HIllary picked a black man to get out the message that Obama was once a drug user and that he was a "not black enough" Sidney Pottier type of black man. But the attack lacked any subtlely whatsoever and Hillary was dumb enough to be on stage with him when it happened. She bought into his initial denials and the whole thing was too cute by half and ended up helping Obama.
Here, Obama picked a white woman to get out the message that Hillary is a ruthless, dirty campaigner who will stoop to anything to get the presidency. But look at all the ways that Power's did this...it really shows the tactical brilliance of the Obama campaign.
1) Send out a white woman who is little known and is not viewed as a partisan. Why is this great?
a) She is is a woman so the clinton people can't charge sexism.
b) It sends a message to women voters, "look, this accomplished liberal woman not only supports Obama, but dislikes hillary too"
2) Make it look like a mistake - she thought it was off the record...yeah, right!
3) Increase the plausible deniability by saying bad stuff about the Obama campaign ...how they F'd up in Ohio. Why is this great?
a) But saying this, it really looks like she went off the reservation and that Obama did not ask her to do this....much more subtle than Hillary standing on the stage with Bob Johnson
b) It minimizes the loss in Ohio...basically calling it a screw up, not representative of anything other than what it was.
4) Making the comments to overseas media - this increases the plausible deniability aspect of this not being a pre-meditated hit on Hillary.
5) Using an insult that is laughable....monster. it's accurate, but its not offensive...it's just a bit childish...but calling someone a monster is much more venial sin than cardinal sin. Elmo is a monster. So is Cookie Monster. Obama should be apologizing to sesame street! As much as the clinton people try to feign outrage, nobody is going to be offended. But...a lot of people will be talking ariound the water cooler today, "you know, Hillary is kind of a monster...I don't know why that woman had to apologize)
Bravo, Obama campaign, Bravo.
To all of you who worry that Obama will not stoop to the level required to win, study the brillinace of this hit on Hillary.
When Hillary attacks, she is like a suicide bomber who ends up missing her intensed target and only blows up herself.
When Obama attacks, he is like a Ninja assassin, making a surgical cut that leaves little evidence of his involvement.
This is why Obama is better equipped to beat the Right wing attack machine than Hillary. He understands that it is more important to be smart about how you fight, than the amount of clumsy brute stregnth you bring to a fight.
Now, I know clinton partisans and apologists will say that Obama is being hypocritical with his politics, blah, blah, bah.
Deal with it. All politicians are a little hypocritical and sometimes need to bend the rules a little. God knows the clintons deserved this nice little surgical conversation-changing hit on Hillary. This is 1% as bad as the bile emanating from camp clinton, yet it ultimately maybe 100 times stronger than their clumsy attacks.
Now that she has resigned, the Clintons have nothing to complain about, but we are all going to be talking about Hillary as monster. Furthermore, people can make the comparison that people who do such things in Obama's campaign are gone right away, wheras Hillary's hit people only go if forced after a few days....and some like Wolfson and Penn get to stay.
Obama has changed the conversation from his loss to Hillary's Monstrosity and looks like someone who is running a clean campaign, accepting the resignation of someone who went off the reservation.
Bravo, Bravo again!!!
Samantha Powers should be thanked by Obama supporters evertwhere for falling on the sword for Obama to help perform this little hit on HIllary. I am sure she'll be back in the general and she can give him advice over the phone...it's not like she is really needed on the stump or anything.
Great Job, Samantha!"
Posted by RKA | March 7, 2008 12:10 PM
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"RKA - Look for Samantha to show up on all the talk shows this weekend and Charlie Rose tonight. Then look for her to nail the Clintons on Rwanda, Osama, Iraq.
She is now free to talk about them non-stop and suddenly people will want to listen- Why? Because viewers will be tuning in to see who this fuss was all about - hoping for a cat fight - getting a very sober education about the Clinton foreign policy legacy. Whoops!
Maybe they shouldn't have asked for her head - it looks like she's going to give them a piece of her mind."
Posted by C.B. Todd | March 7, 2008 12:40 PM
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"CB Todd,
Great point...I didn' think of that.
What is great about this is that now Samantha Powers is the victim, not Hillary.
Me thinks the Clinton people got played by calling for her head....her resignation was probably part of the original plan.
It's like the Hillary campaign loses by winning the argument for her head.
Suddenly Samantha Powers goes from obscurity to really interesting accomplished female critic of HIllary on her commander-in-chief readiness spiel.
Oh, this whole episode is a thing of beauty.
I have been impressed with the Obama operation, but I had no idea they were this clever.
Very good sign going into the general election..."
Posted by RKA | March 7, 2008 12:54 PM
Seconly, he needs to shut down this "dream ticket" crap once and for all. He needs to give brand new grand stump speech about the soul of the Democratic party and America, and he needs to make it clear, that voters have to stand up and make a choice. Hillary or Barack, period. He needs to stop speaking so generally about changing the tone of politics. He needs to let the voters know who is responsible for the nastiness in politics, The Clintons and Bush! He needs to just come out and say it. And he can do it. As a black man, he won't ever be able to pull a "Shame on you, Hilly Clinton!". But he can be angry the way MLK was angry. Righteous anger is what he must display. He must show that socially conscious community organizer spirit that he has.
He will get nowhere treating her as if she's done nothing wrong. That bitch needs to be cast as the devil to his angel, because that's exactly what she is. Quit all of this "I respect Sen. Clinton" bullcrap. She's not a respectable person and he knows that, so he needs to quit saying it because she'll never return the compliment.
Obama needs to get his surrogates out there pounding her and Bill on all of their dirt. There's so much of it that they don't even have to get around to the sex part.
And everytime she pulls her usual crap, Obama and his surrogates need to call her out, and not with a smile on their faces, but in disappointment. He should be out there slamming her for endorsing Sen. McCain. He should be out there saying "This is typical Clintonian politics. It's not about the party, it's about their quest for power." Just call them out and quit letting them get away with this crap.
I honestly think this lack of response to these gutter tactics is a smart one. Let her hang herself with her own negativity.
Wow that is some interesting serious food for thought! yeow.
>>>thinking>>>
(one problem is, it seems to be demoralizing some of his supporters anyway ... ???)
But still, still that is serious food for thought right there that you offered.
>>>thinking>>>
>>>thinking>>>
Especially since Missy Hillary can demand someone from the Obama camp resign from their jobs, while her incompetent staff gets free passes as she continues her scorched earth campaign.
I'm writing in a candidate, especially if this cow steals the nomination and despite the fact she puts Obama on her ticket.
Someone on this very blog said that if Obama takes the second chair as VP, the Clinton camp will have succeeded in defanging him, and derailing what's left of his political career; not to mention eviscerating any and all respect we have for him, period.
Now I'm not a true blue (green?) progressive but I know she was one.
So the message is slowly coming out that Hillary is the most vile, evil, disgusting politician in recent memory.
However, Barack has to SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THIS or his chances against McCain are through.
You have a point, but I really hope that's not the case. Should anyone of the black leadership seek the role of 'reconciler' between the 2 camps, they need to be drawn and quartered. Why are we the ones who must always give ground to everyone, esp when we've played by the rules?
If he had to yield and wait his turn to someone who was eminently qualified, had shown good leadership & judgment, ran on her OWN merit & ran a decent campaign, that would be one thing. But to yield to an unqualified hot mess like HC, and to think that the black leadership may have a hand in causing that to happen is just beyond comprehension for me at the moment.
Now we'll get to watch her play the victim card... again. Maybe she'll cry again.
At this point I'm so tired of not only Clinton but the Democratic party basically not standing up to Clinton's bullshit that I'm thinking of leaving the party no matter what happens.
I'm not proud of being a Democrat anymore.
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The problem is that almost exactly 1/2 of the Democrat Party thinks she is the best candidate!
So, 2 competing factions with 2 candidates who really vary only slightly, are ripping the party apart when the way to reconcile this nightmare is to give a nod to Hillary with the promise of the nomination to Obama in 2016.
The superdelegates will decide the nominee and it will be Clinton/Obama '08.
So many people argue this and I can't help but think the reason is because as a black man he's supposed to "wait his turn" as if that is something that should be dictated to him.
Obama would be stupid to be Clinton's VP anyway.
He gains absolutely nothing by doing so.
And their supporters are vastly different in some ways. Mainly that most of Clinton's support is in the last years of their life and do not represent the future of the party.
I'm not saying older folks shouldn't be listened to but I think Obama has a distinct advantage because his supporters represent a future governing coalition for the party.
Race aside, he is younger, only 47. 7 in 1968. All the 60's liberals are not ready to retire.
Hillary and others of her generation will make it clear to Obama that he has a bright future ahead of him as her VP. He will gain THE experience and go on to accomplish great things in 2016! You gave it a hell of a shot, kid. Just a little too green...you'll get your chance. We made you, we can break you. Capice.
If his supporters thought he was too young, they wouldn't vote for him.
Hillary wants him to drive her car, not be her runningmate.
"We've had 16 years now where the media tries to stoke fights like this. On some levels, we can't blame them--it sells papers. But it doesn't do anything to help the working American. Senator Clinton's attacks won't keep a family from losing health insurance, a plant from closing after the company's Board decides that NAFTA makes it more profitable to ship the job to Ohio, or stop somebody's son from being sent to Iraq. We are ultimately servants of the people. We owe it to them to have a real debate about real issues, not the petty politics which is full of weapons of mass detraction and phony feuds. I offer a change, Senator Clinton offers more of the same."
Couch the attacks within the issues. It's difficult, but it can work. And Obama is a talented enough politician to pull that off. It keeps her attacks from working, throws her attacks back at her, and keeps Obama above the fray. The campaign MUST do something like this very soon. Otherwise, they'll end up getting into a disastrous knife fight with Clinton. Give her rope. She always hangs herself when you give her rope. The campaign has forgotten this.
The superdelegates will decide the nominee and it will be Clinton/Obama '08.
If that happens the party will lose a generation of African Americans, people under 40, and an enormous grassroots campaign which churns out $50 million a MONTH. I don't think the superdelegates are that stupid.
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Say it again.
Any thoughts?
That's a freeper theory, and it's been repeated on since Iowa. People really want a 1968 remake; apparently a 'savior' appeared in 1968, too. In the 1968 scenario the freepers talk about, though, Robert F. Kennedy (to be played by Al Gore) was the 'savior' saving the party from the kids and McCarthy (being played by Obama).
Hillary is always Hubert Humphrey, the party boss choice.
No one mentions McGovern, but I think John Edwards fills that roll in the freeper scenario.
Humphrey 'wins' because the Democrats hate each other and the party boss' are morons who live in a bubble. Humphrey then loses to Nixon (McCain) -- and the rest is history. That's the remake freepers have cast. Like I said, they've been theorizing about this for months. Al Gore better not have anything to do with it.
"If that happens the party will lose a generation of African Americans, people under 40, and an enormous grassroots campaign which churns out $50 million a MONTH. I don't think the superdelegates are that stupid."
Yes they are. Because Obama threatens the top down approach of politics that all party machines need to exert their power. That's precisely why superdelegates exist: to stop insurgent candidates from taking over.
Make no mistake, grassroots politics threatens a two party system and since Barack can't get the nomination on his own, he's not going to get it from the superdelegates.
But not me. I'm not a high information voter, I'm just a 'you don't pull that b.s. on a fellow party member, and you don't campaign by manipulating the worst instincts of Americans' voter. Cold day in hell before I even consider voting for a Clinton ever again.
Amen, twice.
Black and Latin voters are allowed to be insulted, and played against one another. No power. It's just chess, it's just politics.
Clintons have certain people's balls in a vise. Power. Thou must not speak against The Inevitable and The Big Dog. Did you see that article where the journalists were bitching about the Clintons' treatment of the press? The Clintons are not liked.
I don't believe it is the same thing, even though I agree an apology should have been enough. Hell, even Edwards said that the Clintons have no conscience. Then again, we haven't heard anything from him... hmm.
What I'd like to know is, why did the journalist make this an issue in the first place? I guess this is a lesson: no one is your friend, trust no one.
-Then the superdelegates are fools, and Obama is a fool if he agrees to this.
Clinton/Obama '08 will go down to defeat, and all hail President McCain.
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Exactly. Obama was supposed to come in 2nd. His role was to excite young voters and secure the black vote, while Hillary brought in the Latino and women's vote. Clinton/Obama '08 is the white, elite, establishment dream team!
That's why you see Pelosi calling Clinton's sleazy tactics "bickering" while Kennedy, Jesse Jackson, et al, sit back.
surrogates because the handwriting
is already on the wall. Samantha
Powers made those comments on Monday
so it does not seem like it was a planned offensive. Friends of mine
who were solid supporters are now completely weary of Obama and feel
that if he can't fight back in some
way he really ISN'T READY!
Yes they are. Because Obama threatens the top down approach of politics that all party machines need to exert their power. That's precisely why superdelegates exist: to stop insurgent candidates from taking over.
I understand that, but they also see (or they SHOULD) see that only Obama can do what no other Democrat can do in the past 30 years: grow the party. If he's the nominee, there's a better chance for Democrats to gain more seats in Congress, more Governors, Mayors, Judges, state officials, etc. This is a once in a generation shot at shifting the political paradigm from right to left. That's not an opportunity that'll be easy to give up.
He can grow the party as VP while Hillary grows the party with Hispanics as President. Plus, Obama is a babe, only 47, the Baby Boomers aren't ready to retire.
Just wait...
The Democrat party is ANYTHING BUT democratic.
It's an Outfit. Are none of you from Chicago?
Hillary supporter!
No one is falling for the Obama as Clinton's VP bullshit.
The Clintons are already on the road to destroying him politically now and he can't possibly be that stupid. Any VP to a Clinton is an automatic lame duck and, DEAR GOD, I can't imagine that Michelle Obama would co-sign to her husband being a Clinton employee after everything that has gone down.
With the Samantha Powers episode, I think Obama has already taken up advice to go harder on the Clintons but he is using (as described earlier) "surgical cuts" and not the "suicide-bomber" Hillary method.
OOO
He can grow the party as VP while Hillary grows the party with Hispanics as President.
Hillary can grow the party alright - THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. SHE CAN'T AND WON'T WIN IN NOVEMBER. That's why Rush Limbaugh and the other Right-wing radio creeps told their listeners to vote for Hillary in Texas and Ohio. They know they have a better chance of winning against her. They are also USING her to destroy Obama so he can go down in flames then she can run again in 2012. Case in Point: She's destroying the Dems by ENDORSING John McCain. I don't know about you, but I call that TREASON!
If Obama excepts the VP slot he's a fool. All he has to do is remember two words: Al Gore. I also don't want Billary as VP. They (yes, Bill and Hillary) will undermine his authority 24/7.
And for those who keep talking up this stupid "experience" claim, what the hell kind of experience does she have? Hillary's my NY Senator and she has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. And if being a co-president is her argument, isn't that kind of unconstitutional? First Ladies aren't sworn in. Maybe that's why she won't release her RECORDS as to what she was doing when she was WATCHING her husband run the country.
For those who are interested, Time Magazine has a cover story "How Much Does Experience Matter?" They show a timeline of experienced and inexperiened presidents. Here are a few INEXPERIENCED ones:
Teddy Roosevelt - 2 years as Gov., 1 year as VP.
Woodrow Wilson - 2 years as Gov.
FDR - 2 years as State Leigslator, 4 years as Gov.
Eisenhower - 1 year as Army General
They turned out to be OK presidents, don't you think?
This country needs a serious change and Hillary ain't it. In the times we're living in we can't afford to settle for an OK president who will slavishly turns to opinion polls to make crucial decisions. We need a GREAT president who makes sound judgements based on his intellect and his ability to listen to all sides of very tough issues. Hillary makes me feel like a consumer. She's trying to sell me on all of her promises and plans she won't pass because she'll demonize anyone in Congress that'll get in her way. With Barack I feel like a citizen. He is actually challenging us to become better. When have you heard that from a politican? I'm a Black woman so I can say this, the only woman Hillary wants to help is herself. And I'm sick of her pandering. Is she running for President for women ONLY? Barack is talking about issues that affect ALL AMERICANS.
That's what I want in a President. Not Vice President. Not Senate Majority Leader. Not Illinois Governor. President Barack Obama
1. Peace in the Party
2. If Hill & Bill try to undermine Barack, Barack will have the power to FIRE/DISMISS the Clintons...It's called insubordination.
A President can FIRE the VP at will. It's not unusual...the presidential line of succession will flow from Barack to Nancy Pelosi until a NEW VP can be confirmed.
A President can FIRE the VP at will.
Yes, Technically he could. But as you can see now, they will make it impossible for him. They'll trash him non-stop in public and try to blackmail him in private. Before Iowa, I had no problem supporting Hillary if she won the nom. Now, there's no way in hell. After what Bob Johnson said, she lost my vote forever.
I'll say it if no one else will ...
FUCK JESSE.
He's as stupid as the rest of them thinking that we'll, in essence, be Good Little Darkies.
Got news for him.
No day in hell.
As for a ticket with both Obama and Clinton on it...it will not happen.
And it would be hugely negative for Obama. If Obama is at the top of the ticket, then having Hillary undercuts one of his prime arguments of change.
Not to mention that the Clintons could and probably would try to sabotage him at every corner.
The Clintons have a way of ending the political careers of others who associate with them and their scandals.
The only acceptable alternative is Obama at the top of the ticket, and no Hillary. That is the only Democratic party ticket I could ever vote for.
http://underamicroscope.wordpress.com
This sh%t never ends---look at cheaters in the Texas Caucus:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/07/politics/uwire/main3918175.shtml
The Gettysburg moment of February 5 decided the outcome of the primary. Hillary could have continued running an issue oriented campaign. However, she not only attacked Barack on the issues but also his very nature. She cast doubts about Obama's religious affiliation, insulted his supporters as deluded fanatics, and in the ultimate act of betrayal, explicitly stated that John McCain is more qualified to be POTUS than Obama. In essence, HRC became the woman who agreed to Solomon's solution of cutting a baby in half to settle a custody suit. With such open contempt his supporters could never adopt her. It was almost as if she didn't think that she would need us in the fall campaign or actually believed her commercial depiction of the electorate as babies readily guided into bed.
The Dems can't recover. Barack was a resplendent JFK. The personal and racial attacks were sure to come in a general campaign. But to have a white female fellow Democrat slinging calumnies has prepared the nation for when the heavyweight, no condom wearing, straight ATM Republicans get into the mix. Without such preconditioning by HRC the nation would have probably been repulsed at such a spectacle, the way it was when Bill Clinton first dropped his turds in South Carolina.
As it stands, Barack is trying to win a bike with a flat tire. By not putting Hillary Rodham Clinton in check, the party elders as well as the Black superdelegates who held steadfast even as HRC's venom reached toxic levels fractured their party. HRC can't get the nomination without mass defection and Barack is a once beautiful suit that's emerged from the dryer after being laundered.
Needless to say, HRC is finished politically. She can never be a national figure. What she did can't be undone in the next election cycle four years from now and certainly not within the current one. To openly proclaim the legitimacy of the Republican challenger over Obama has sealed her fate and maybe Barack's.
HRC can't be the nominee because of the immediate exodus which would ensue. She can't be a VP because of the nature of her attacks. She can't really throw her support behind Barack without openly marinating in hypocrisy. The scorn she has heaped on Obama and his supporters is irrational to a degree approaching Faye Dunaway's portrayal of Joan Crawford.
Barack would need to craft a political version of Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods in order to win this thing. Chuck Hagel as VP would be a prerequisite for Obama to avoid becoming another Michael Dukakis. Such a bold maneuver could not only help retool and recalibrate the campaign, but revitalize the jes grew spirit which characterized Obama's ascent.
Hillary has effectively ended her chance at higher office. Yet I'm at a loss to understand why the leadership allowed her to wreck the party? Al Gore and John Edwards should have thrown their weight behind Obama after February especially when McCain was the presumptive nominee. Howard Dean should have been more vehement about strict adherence to the rules regarding Florida and Michigan. The leadership should have spoken to big money donors and told them to refrain from putting more money into the Clinton campaign, and given off the record comments to superannuated political reporters like Bob Woodward about the futility of a Clinton resurgence. It was as if the owners of the manor just stood by idly as a mad woman defecated in the kitchen without thinking that eventually they would have to eat there. The Dems are dysfunctional.
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I'll help you to say it!
F%%% Jessie!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080308/ap_on_el_pr/clinton
My view is that Clinton would have played the victim card no matter what and drawn this out for days if not weeks depicting herself as Poor Little Hillary. This would have dominated everything else - especially since she wants to distract attention from how the NAFTA-Canada story is coming back to bite her, and how she is angering so many Democrats with her all-but-endorsement of McCain. Obama would not have been able to get any of his message through if he was fighting her over Power the whole time.
By resigning right away, Power took the issue off the table and left Clinton with nothing more she can reasonably demand. If she keeps going on about it after this, she looks incredibly vindictive. Hopefully it will be a one or two day story, that's all.
And Obama is able to get back to presenting his message to voters.
I wish that Power had not had to resign, but I think it was necessary after what she said in order to keep it from overwhelming everything else.
My $0.02.
I understand the anger towards Hillary and the frustration towards our country's tendency to believe her lies,but please stand tall behind our man Barack. As someone mentioned above, Hillary is manipulating everyone (the media, her supporters, etc) to try and "emasculate" Obama and prove she's a "fighter". If we start getting angry with Barack and demanding that he fight back tooth and nail, I fear that it is only giving in to Hillary's manipulation. In other words, Hillary will have succeeded in manipulating not only the media and her supporters, but also in manipulating US into getting angry with Barack and telling him to "get a backbone". I have faith that Barack has it under control. Let's stand behind him, not let him get punched around, but be aware that this is probably the very image of him that Hillary wants us to believe-- that she is a "fighter" and he is "weak."
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If we start getting angry with Barack and demanding that he fight back tooth and nail, I fear that it is only giving in to Hillary's manipulation.
Yeah, I get that. I'm not angry with him, but how is he going to win this thing if he keeps quiet? It was reported (I think it was on Keith Olbermann) that he stated "I won't get into a knife fight." I also understand Barack is in a terrible bind. However, the working stiffs (especially in Pennsylvania) will see Barack isn't "man enough" to stand up to a woman, and she knows this. It's akin to a woman constantly abusing her man and when he strikes back he's considered the batterer. And you know how Hillary's supporters love to rescue their damsel in distress. I just want to know how will Barack get through this without getting slaughtered?
she'll be back though. powers is brilliant and come the swearing in her only blemish will be that she called clinton a monster--really!
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
claim to care for people
call yourself progressive
your policies hurt poor folk
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
elect women presidents
who cover for their husbands
who rape other women
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
vote for any woman
better than any man
none could make things any worse
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if you’re MAD
punish your country
VOTE for Hillary
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http://www.hillaryproject.com/
Go here and watch ‘The Hillary Show’ with Howard Dean. It’s Hillarious!
http://www.stophernow.com/
:)
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