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Jack and Jill Politics: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

  • Rhondacoca · 2 months ago
    "I think what Chris Rock has done is brave and it shows our confidence that we can know talk publicly about issues that we used to discuss only behind closed doors amongst brothers and sisters."

    You mean capitalizing off of black insecurity for profit? This is not the first documentary of this kind nor is it the best. I am hoping that we can soon have a more sophisticated conversation.

    Chris Rock was not the right person especially with his history of insensitivity towards black women. He lacks the nuance and basic understanding. Intellectually, he is mediocre at best. There needed to be someone who could bring both knowledge and empowerment to this topic. I felt that it was just too shallow and Hollywood. Did anyone catch the buffoonery during his multiple daytime television appearances?

    Acts of Faith Blog as well as LosAngelista Blog both have strong points of view and neither are impressed or looking to see the film.

    Now my question, putting what out in the open? We have a history of being psycho-analyzed and taken a part like science projects for mass consumption. People of other races quite frankly, don't understand the history, politics and social issues that surround this and they will walk away looking at us like we are a spectacle...dysfunctional...as always. So I do not get the point of you calling Chris Rock brave or claiming that this conversation or topic needs more attention.

    P.S. Stop discussing Michael Jackson, it is played out and tired. Stop making him the poster boy for everything especially when you do not know all of the facts. You are not Michael and I doubt you knew him.

    P.S.S. Was Bell Hooks consulted or just Nia Long and her ilk (no offense)?
  • caligirl · 2 months ago
    whew, your comments took me back! there were three things that kept me sane when i was in my 20s: my two beautiful baby boys and bell hooks!!!
  • Acts Of Faith Blog · 2 months ago
    Thanks for mentioning me. I really enjoyed the Losangelista post as well. Womanist Musings told me she just saw the MOCKUMENTARY and will be writing a post. She wants her money back!
  • rikyrah · 2 months ago
    Jill,

    I was just coming online to post my thoughts about Good Hair.

    I found it painful.

    two parts that made me beyond sad..

    watching BABIES, and since they were under the age of 7, I consider them Babies, GETTING PERMS.

    I felt like screaming

    STOP THE VIOLENCE.
    STOP THE HATRED.

    how the hell do you put a perm on a child that young?

    the other section that just made me mad was the one with the group of young women, from a very good high school in CA, and the group of them unloading on the one young Sista rocking her natural. That it didn't matter what was on her resume, or how she came dressed to the interview, that THEY wouldn't take her seriously BECAUSE OF HER HAIR.

    WHAT THE FUCK KIND OF SELF-HATRED IS THAT SHYT.

    That Rock let it stand there unchallenged just made me mad as hell at him.

    I've been natural for 5 years - nothing political, it was about an exercise routine.

    but, there was a whole lotta self-hatred and justification of self-hatred going on in that documentary.

    plus, the thought of all those Black women making everybody rich, but Black folks pissed me off too.
  • ymoore · 2 months ago
    I’m disjointed on this one; lots of emotions, but I can’t resist. For most of my life I’ve worn my hair natural – cornrows, braids, afros, puffs. I’ve had perms that I cut off to itty bitty Afros on two separate occasions. So I know something about black hair and women, at least this woman. I’ve experienced, observed and learned somethings:
    1. Natural hair is work and will break and/or fall off if you don’t care for it properly. Hot pressed hair is work and will break off if you don't care for it properly. Permed hair is work and will thin if you do it long enough no matter how you take care of it.
    2. Itty bitty Afro is FREEDOM. Warm water showering over your whole body, scalp included. Lord have mercy.
    3.If you cut hair, it will grow back.
    4. As a youth, I enjoyed by natural styles. Somewhere inside I felt it was almost insulting, or at least unappreciative, to not wear the hair God gave me.
    5. As a young adult, I struggled with how to wear my natural hair in professional ways without always being confined to tight braids or pulled back buns. I’ve never had an employer say, “You can’t wear your hair like that here.” But I’ve gone on plenty of interviews that seemed promising, then I never heard from the company again. That's how that kind of discrimination works. Most places that will keep you out for wearing braids or locks won't tell you that's what they've done.
    4. What black men think matters to black women. As a youth and young adult I couldn't have cared less that the beauty magazines thought women should have no butts. Black men made it perfectly clear that they thought my round butt was delightful. Same thing with hair. If a potential employer put me off because of hair, I was okay. If black men shunned me for that reason, I'd have felt hurt.
    5. I was doing the pulled back bun thing when my husband said, "You're not wearing that bun to my family reunion. Get your hair locked. I'll pay for it. If you don't like it, take it out after the reunion." I didn't think I would like it, but I could do it for one weekend. What the heck; it was HIS family reunion. That was 13 years ago.
    6. With locks, I have learned how to swim. I don't run from the rain, can wear my hair "out" and in a myriad of fly styles, and can fulfill a lifelong desire to honor the natural hair God gave me.
    7. My daughter has thick, fairly long African American hair. When she was small I did her hair in cornrows and braids adorned with shells or beads at the ends that would make her hair swing in the air. I let her wear it "out" for holidays. Still, since she was 7 she's begged for a perm; the popular culture is strong. I let her get one in high school. She has to go through her own hair journey.
  • caligirl · 2 months ago
    thanks for sharing! :-)
  • Myth · 2 months ago
    So here we have a mom who mostly wore her hair natural, and raised her daughter in cornrows and braids, but her daughter still begged for a perm. Hmmmmmm. Itgurl whatcha think? She modeled natural hair and taught her daughter what she needed to know, sooooooooo.....
  • caligirl · 2 months ago
    the need to conform... societal pressure to fit in with all the other girls her age...
  • Val · 2 months ago
    or maybe she just wanted a perm.
  • Acts Of Faith Blog · 2 months ago
    Since you want to promote Rock as some expert on black women let's dispel a few of his LIES okay?

    He is still being sued for copyright violation by Regina Kimbell, producer of My Nappy Roots. The hearing is scheduled next week.

    No black male has any authority to discuss ANY "issues" surrounding black women without taking full responsibility for the part they play in it.

    Rock is an inadequate male who takes pleasure in knocking down black women. I have not forgotten his "comedic" act where he insulted Michelle Obama. Or where he discusses his poor relationships with women.

    He needs therapy not a movie!

    Why isn't his WIFE involved in this project if he was so concerned about his daughters? There's a bit more going on than hairdos for them to be that distressed and insecure. He can tell them they're beautiful all day but it's his actions that matter most.

    Why is Rock being given the benefit of the doubt that he and he alone is doing something that's soooo great? It's my understanding he spent all of 2 minutes on unprocessed hair. Which only shows how much research he did NOT do.

    Aside from Kimbell there are many other filmmakers who have discussed this very same issue with more respect and nuance and a thorough historical lesson than Rock.

    We must never forget Rock did this movie for his personal profit and throughout this piece makes fun of black women. I also find it rather strange that so many black women have taken it upon themselves to tell others why they need to pay to be insulted - and that they're not really being insulted because it's Rock. As if hearing a man's opinion about other women has more value. Why are so many still eating this up?

    Follow Up to Good Hair - We're Still Being Laughed At http://actsoffaithinloveandlife.blogspot.com/20...

    Chris Rock Pulls A Steve Harvery: Stop Stealing From Black Women!
    http://actsoffaithinloveandlife.blogspot.com/20...

    Black Women Hair Angst Should NOT Be Open For Public Consumption
    http://actsoffaithinloveandlife.blogspot.com/20...
  • Rhondacoca · 2 months ago
    "I also find it rather strange that so many black women have taken it upon themselves to tell others why they need to pay to be insulted - and that they're not really being insulted because it's Rock. As if hearing a man's opinion about other women has more value. Why are so many still eating this up?"

    Bullseye!!

    I co-sign. It is beyong comprehension that some black women still don't get it.
  • khrish · 2 months ago
    Why do we always get so uptight about such silly things. So what if we choose to do certain things to our hair. What's the big deal. Is it such a big deal that someone decides to talk about it? Is it supposed to be a secret that we choose to change the styles and colors and textures of our hair. As Wanda Sykes said "white people are watching us" is that the reason. I, myself, can't understand why a woman would spend so many hours at a hair salon just for a hair style and I'm Black. I never knew that men weren't allowed to touch our hair until I started seeing the reactions on TV sitcoms. If we do things to change the texture of our hair because we want to do them, that's our right. If, on the other hand, we are doing it to pretend to others that this is really our hair or hair texture, then I can understand that we get so upset. Chris Rock is a comic, he does things in a comical way. I don't have a problem with it and I need to understand why we get so bent out of shape about it. It's like he has exposed some deep dark secret about us. Tyra showed some Black women who actually bleach their skin to be lighter and no one seemed to get upset about that. I just don't get it......We don't like Tyler Perry's movies because.....we don't like Spike Lee's directing because.......How dare Chris Rock talk about our hair publicly. We go to the movies and laugh or cry and share many emotions, but when it's about us.......everything must be serious. We say that because we are Black, we don't think, speak, believe, vote as a one mind group; but we jump all over others that show this as truth; leading to the belief that we are of one mind. Why are we so touchy about everything? Maybe I'm lost in what I am seeing, so I need to have it explained to me. On many of the websites that i have visited, predominatly where Blacks post; I am especially upset with the postings of young Blacks always interested in skin color and hair textures. When I stay among my own group who talk about other things, it surprises me to find on those websites that the younger folk are still caught up, continuing to spread and accept these age old ideals of color and hair texture among many other things. I'm much more concerned about the reality shows that BET and Bravo are showcasing about our women. Housewives of Atlanta, that portrays "so called" the elite of our community (what a joke) Black people are not putting on these shows yet few have anything to say about these and the ratings are through the roof. When we were going thru summer tv schedule and I had a chance to see a couple episodes of these two show, I was appalled at the material that was presented of Black women, even how we who are more financially fortunate are showcased; and our young folk are eating it up. Now that bothers me. I truly don't think that Chris is giving his opinion on Black women's hair, it's just a fun documentary. Why are we so upset and "insulted" about this. All the first ladies have been made fun of by many comedians, that's normal. We know better......Wanda Sykes made jokes about the first lady but it was just a joke.....We know better. or is it that "white people are watching". Come on people, must we dissect everything done by Blacks celebrities in show business? They are celebrities and we are moving them to a higher status than they deserve. Many were upset when Denzel won the Oscar by playing a dirty cop and we wanted to know why he had not won when he played good guys. I saw it as the versatility of Denzel as a actor. Who would have ever thought that he could play a role so different that the usual roles he is so good at. Not I. I was blown away at his portrayal in that film. That's why I though he was the winner of the Oscar. He stepped out of the comfort role and he nailed it. When will we stop caring about what some white folk think of us. My goodness with their history in this country, I couldn't care less what many of them think about me; cause it could never compare with what I think about many of them. I just don't feel that this documentary by Chris merits the attention and controversy that we are giving it. It's just hair, not the secret to success.
  • itgurl_29 · 2 months ago
    I'm natural and have been for a long time. And yeah, I'll say it. Black women who put chemicals into their system just for some straight hair cannot accept their true hair texture. There's no way around it. You can't tell me it's not about trying to achieve a European standard of beauty when you chemically alter your unique hair to be something that it is not.

    And I'd like to ask all the sistas with perms who have daughters, how can you honestly look your daughter in the eye and tell her that afro textured hair is beautiful when you rock yours straight. I'm not trying to be stank, I'm asking a serious question. And if you don't have daughters, what you teaching your son about black beauty when you emulate a a non-black standard?
  • Val · 2 months ago
    "I'd like to ask all the sistas with perms who have daughters, how can you honestly look your daughter in the eye and tell her that afro textured hair is beautiful when you rock yours straight. I'm not trying to be stank'

    I'll answer the question as I have two girls and two boys -- I teach my kids that hair is just that hair. It means nothing. If they were ball headed tomorrow they would still be beautiful. How is that possible? Because I make clear to my kids that beauty cannot be found on the outside. . . it is all within. Anything else is superficial and has ZERO value.

    You can lose a limb, be a burn victim, have an accident and get disfigured tomorrow. . . . . physical beauty is fleeting. The virtues that last are -- Kindness, Compassion. Do you treat your friends well? Do you volunteer in your community? Those are the values I share with my children.

    "what you teaching your son about black beauty when you emulate a a non-black standard?"

    Want to go on record that I don't believe there are any "black standards" that are not self imposed. I teach my sons -- find someone who is kind. Respects her parents and family. Who will be there for you. Has her own ambitions. Who is comfortable in her own skin. Who relies on herself and does not "need" you but doesn't mind having you around her. Find someone who has her own interests but is open to sharing yours. Find someone who will be there if you were to lose a limb tomorrow and will stand by you and love you for who you are as a person and not just what you look like, how much money you have in the bank or your social status. Find someone who is empathetic toward others but is strong as well. Find someone who treats her friends well and who is honest.

    Not once did I ever refer to physical attributes. Not remotely important to me and I hope it won't be to my boys. If I have anything to do with it they will not be that superficial. I don't care if she is black, white, asian, hispanic, or purple with pink polka dots. She could have long hair, short hair, purple hair, NO hair. Unimportant.

    As an aside -- I wouldn't say you were trying to be "stank" . . . judgmental or condescending maybe but not stank.
  • Miranda · 2 months ago
    Yeah, I'm not hip to the "black standards" either...next thing you know, I'll be told I'm not embracing my ashy black skin because I wanna slather myself in some "Amber Romance" by Victoria's Secret.
  • itgurl_29 · 2 months ago
    That's a poor analogy and it shows that you see natural hair as something nasty and disgusting. Flaky skin is nasty. It's not blackness. It's gross to have skin flaking off your body and not keeping your skin hydrated. The proper analogy would be like never washing your hair and letting dandruff build up on your hair.

    Why did you try to equate natural hair with something gross like flaking skin?

    See, this is the kind of talk I hear all the time from women who try to defend the fact that they perm their hair. They always come with this idea that natural hair is nasty and they don't even realize what they are saying.
  • Sepia · 2 months ago
    LOL! Thank you!

    Sorry, but just because someone wears their hair in its natural state doesn't necessarily mean they embrace their blackness. Whoopi Goldberg has worn locs for years, yet she had her then white boyfriend, Ted Danson, dress up in blackface, and seems to have a preference for white men. I know plenty of natural black women who have a strong Eurocentric sentiment, so it ain't about what's on top of your head, it's what's in your head.
  • itgurl_29 · 2 months ago
    I don't think that because a sista perms she's looking to be white. But she is choosing to emulate a non-black standard of beauty.That's just a fact and there's no way around it.
  • khrish · 2 months ago
    She's a weird one. Never quite able to figure her out. Maybe that's what she wants....albeit I have never seen or heard of her being connected with a Black man. And she always seems ready to condone or explain whatever they do.....or not. Strange one, Whoopi.
  • khrish · 2 months ago
    That' s why I say she is weird. It's always very difficult for me to understand where she's coming from. I haven't pigeonholed her because I don't know how. I just never quite understand her.
  • Anita1970 · 2 months ago
    But why is Whoopi weird. She's attracted to white men but that doesn't mean she doesn't like black people nor that she doesn't see herself as a black person rooted in the historical black experience. I always think it's odd that people who date outside of their "race" are considered to no longer even identify with the culture they were raised in. i don't think it's necessarily so that a person's attraction says anything at all about the level of identification or pride they have in their own group.
  • caligirl · 2 months ago
    she is an odd individual.

    i find that to be the case with many scorpio women. at least the scorpios i've known.
  • caligirl · 2 months ago
    for someone so non-judgmental, damned near everything in your comment is heterosexist.

    surprise, surprise...LOL!!!
  • Sepia · 2 months ago
    What about natural sistas who manipulate their tightly curled hair so that it has a looser curl or wave?

    Or what about natural sistas who get microbraids styles that long and look like straight styles?
  • Myth · 2 months ago
    Been black all my life and I agree that I accept my hair texture because that's all I have ever known, but if I had my druthers, I would choose good hair and let me take you back and tell you why. Hope you can relate.

    For at least the first 15 years of my life, I had to sit still at that kitchen table and get that damned comb dragged across my scalp. Get up early every morning, to get my nappy hair combed, greased and platted. Wasn't a European standard but who could love their hair texture going thru this day after day, year after year. Then when I started getting it pressed and that hot grease hit my scalp or burned my ear, come on now. Getting it curled and having to roll it up every day or trying to make sure my "kitchen" didn't get wet in the bath tub. Then, when I became a tween, getting the mild vs. regular vs. strong permanent and dragging that comb thru it again to try to get it straight after leaving those chemicals on for 15-30 minutes wondering what part of my scalp was going to be burned. So, we a talking about years of having to figure out what's best for our "difficult" hair texture would prefer for it to be easier, not really wanting a European standard, just wanting to get that comb thru it without pulling our scalp out.

    How many AA girls people really accept this hair texture? But if its all you've ever known, you just learn to deal with it. How many young "tender-headed" girls getting their hair combed daily havent thought about whether or not my friend Candace, with the good hair has to go thru this. It is what it is.
  • itgurl_29 · 2 months ago
    You went through all of that because we've been taught that our hair has to be "fixed". Tightly curled hair is not meant to bounce and behave, and once black women, not the media, not white folks, but BLACK WOMEN, accept that, then no black girl will ever have to go through what the vast majority of sisters go through in childhood.

    Our hair is not unmanageable. That is the biggest cop out ever for perming hair. Tightly curled hair does not swing in a ponytail, it's a puff. If you try to turn a puff into a ponytail, well then you have to jump through some hoops and manipulate your hair to do something it was no meant to do.

    It does not hurt to comb our hair. If you try to comb our natural hair like a white person combs theirs, then yes, it will hurt. If you comb our hair when it is wet, and use a wide toothed comb, and start from the bottom, it will not hurt.

    There's really no excuse for putting a perm in a child's hair. And no black women NEEDS a perm. That is a lie from the pit of hell. And the sad thing is, it's perpetuated by black women and passed on to their daughters, who then think their hair is some kind of problem or curse, and then they pass it on to their daughters, and so on and so on.
  • Myth · 2 months ago
    Do the majority of AA women see it the way you do? Or, do we just do the best we can to try to keep our little girls hair up as best we can, who play and get into every activity. Our hair issues don't start as adults when we can make our own choices. Managing black hair in children is the bases of where we should start this discussion, how best to manage our children's hair. Everyone is not going to see it the way you express it. And yeah, it hurts to comb our hair when it's nappy.

    How easy is it to manage a natural hairstyle in a child? When you try and comb it, it's going to hurt. So platts or pressed pony tails have been the option that best suits us in trying to keep our children's hair.
  • itgurl_29 · 2 months ago
    I am talking about managing black children's hair. When your mother or grandmother doesn't even know how to care for the natural hair that grows out of your scalp, as the majority of black women don't, that's a disgrace. And no, it doesn't hurt to comb black hair when it's combed properly using the proper tools. And what does playing and activity have to do with putting a perm in a girls hair? Little white girls play too but I don't see their mothers taking their 5 year old to get their hair permed so it can look like ours.

    Black women, not society, not white folks, not the media, but black women are the ones teaching each new generation of black girls that something is wrong with their hair. Black women are the ones creating this psychosis in our community. Black women are the ones claiming that black hair is unmanageable, which is a lie. Black women are the ones claiming that it hurts to comb black hair, which is a lie. Black women are the ones claiming that relaxing has nothing to do with European standards of beauty, which is a pathetic lie.
  • Val · 2 months ago
    "it doesn't hurt to comb black hair when it's combed properly using the proper tools. Black women are the ones claiming that it hurts to comb black hair, which is a lie. Black women are the ones claiming that relaxing has nothing to do with European standards of beauty, which is a pathetic lie."

    That is like saying any woman that says it hurts to give birth is a liar because it doesn't hurt if you push the right way. That assumption is not realistic.

    This hair fixation is much ado about nothing. Every woman has the right to choose what is best for them. Whether it is having an abortion, wearing make up, choosing her outfit or choosing a hair style.
  • Miranda · 2 months ago
    Thank you Val. This entire conversation is starting to be real idiotic.
  • Val · 2 months ago
    Couldn't believe we were still on this conversation. lolol Normally I ignore these threads but I had to post to this one.
  • Miranda · 2 months ago
    I'm right there with you.
  • Myth · 2 months ago
    Ima little surprised too, but apparently our "hair issues" has legs.
  • Myth · 2 months ago
    Most AA women don't see it the way you do; just trying to do the best they can on a regular basis to make it look nice. Trying to parent is hard enough let alone trying to become educated or take classes on what's best for a child's hair is not feasible to expect.
  • itgurl_29 · 2 months ago
    Black women have so many issues about hair and that affects how they see themselves when it comes to beauty and it comes from their mothers and other grown black women around them.

    Unlike other races of women, we are told by our own mothers that our crown and glory is ugly. You don't have to say it outright, but that's exactly what you are saying when you put a perm in a child's hair. That's just as terrible as a black woman telling her child she's not pretty because she's not light. That's serious and damaging and that's why it's far more important than you think.

    Teaching your child to love her one of a kind hair is just as important as teaching her to love her one of a kind skin. No one else has hair like us or skin like us. That's part of parenting a black child. And those who don't know that are falling down on the job. White people never fail to let their kids know they are the epitome of beauty. Yet, we don't see the importance of it. Ridiculous.
  • caligirl · 2 months ago
    remember that elementary school teacher in new york (?) who was fired for reading 'happy to be nappy' to her (mostly black) class??? parents were up in arms because this woman was white...and they felt she had overstepped her boundaries. when all she was doing was trying to instill some self-esteem and have them see their beauty.

    now THAT was some psychotic shit!!!
  • Myth · 2 months ago
    Right now I have to make decisions about my hair (as I have allllll of my life). I don't see my hair as ugly, I do see it as a hassle though. I don't feel "damaged" by it. It's a part of who I am and I fully accept it. Don't like it, wish the texture was easier to manage, wish I had good hair. That in no way negates my self image, because it's all I've ever known. It's what I have always had to do to make it look nice to me. From childhood I have had to do more than my friends who have good hair. But, I have never thought I felt "less than" them because of the damned texture of my hair. When I finally decide tonight whether I am going to perm, fry, wig, cap, wrap, dye or do nothing to my hair (which is a dilemma) Ima be just fine, cause it's what I've always had to do - my time consuming hair. And If I get my butt off this damned computer I would have more time to contend with it. LOL!
  • caligirl · 2 months ago
    someone on this blog once wrote to me that it was more humane to straighten their child's hair.

    that was stunning.
  • Myth · 2 months ago
    Sounds pretty stunning to me too. Maybe they were inferring that it was easier to comb there young childs hair if it wasnt toooooo nappy, probably. "Humane" is kinda funny...unless they just couldnt get the comb thru it at all. LOL!
  • caligirl · 2 months ago
    heeheehee
  • Val · 2 months ago
    that "humane" comment was made by me out of sarcasm because the premise that if you did not maintain a natural hair style somehow made you less black was ridiculous. I also argued if that was the case why not refuse to shave your armpit, legs or your bikini line?
  • Myth · 2 months ago
    Oh, I've gotcha Val.
  • caligirl · 2 months ago
    sarcasm, huh?

    okay...if u say so.
  • caligirl · 2 months ago
    true. i see it very similarly to the female genital mutilation issue. it's done because it's 'always' been done...and there's no real critical thought behind it. then it sometimes gets elevated to being some weird sort of 'cultural' issue, and people feel a need to conform.

    in other words, if you're really black, then you press or perm your hair. otherwise (ironically!), you're somehow betraying your 'black' culture.
  • Val · 2 months ago
    or "if you're really black, then you would go natural. otherwise (ironically!), you're somehow betraying your 'black' culture.
  • Miranda · 2 months ago
    Again, THANK YOU.
  • Myth · 2 months ago
    NOT. It just is what it is - OUR Culture.
  • caligirl · 2 months ago
    so, since it's cultural, there's pressure to embrace it. real black american women straighten their hair.
  • caligirl · 2 months ago
    i think there is a need for more books that actually SHOW black women (and other interested people) the many different ways to style natural, tightly coiled hair. to dispel the myths.
  • khrish · 2 months ago
    If you dampen the hair first, then it doesn't hurt if you hold it as you comb down it. I think we invent the problem that our hair is difficult to care for. If you try to run a comb straight through straight hair it will tangle as well. There was seemingly no problems when people were wearing that ugly "jeri curl". You had to dampen it before combing, or at least the people I knew with them would squeeze some kind of wetness before they combed it. We have created the problem we claim to have for taking care of our hair. Everybody just seems to want what they don't have.
  • Myth · 2 months ago
    Hey Khrish. I knew this would be a hot topic. Everyone cannot dampen their hair and comb it (the curl may just tighten again). The good thing about all the hair systems is it gives people "options." Bringing up the issue of "your man can't even touch it" brings up a whole new set of dynamics and discussion. OTFLMBO
  • itgurl_29 · 2 months ago
    I bet you're one of those black women that will still perm even after the studies finally confirm perms are the reason black women die of all kinds of cancers at sky high rates compared to all other women. You'll still be running for the creamy crack even if it kills you.
  • khrish · 2 months ago
    But dampened hair is always more relaxed. If you use the brush first, then the comb, don't you agree?
  • laRapierWit · 2 months ago
    The problem is ALL BlackWomen do not have the hair texture you describe as

    "Tightly curled hair is not meant to bounce and behave Tightly curled hair does not swing in a ponytail, it's a puff."

    Don't work like that...we have a spectrum of hair texture just like we do about skin color, facial features and physiques!!

    The black race is not monolithic in any way!!
  • itgurl_29 · 2 months ago
    The fact is most black women do and the sooner black women accept that and embrace it, the better. Are there black women out there with hair like Mariah or Alicia Keys or Chili from TLC. Yes, there are black women who have that hair texture. But to play like they are anywhere near the majority so as to justify perming as if all black women have silky hair anyway is absurd and pathetic. The majority of black women's hair grows out, not down. That is a fact. The majority of black women have tightly curled hair, not loose waves or straight silken locks like a Swede.
  • laRapierWit · 2 months ago
    "The fact is most black women do "

    No they dont! And that is my point!! You speaking to a SUBset of black women. And there is a WHOLE bunch of us, not feelin your need to describe black women's texture as being PRIMARILY one way!

    It ain't about KEYS, Carey or Chili...a whole bunch of us simply do not have the texture you describe!!! It don't have to be straight but it simply does not CURL TIGHTLY like you describe. IOW's we can't be no afro and it aint straight either. So back your declaration UP!! Everyone don't have the hair you describe AND it ain't necessarily sTRAIGHT!!

    "But to play like they are anywhere near the majority"

    Ain't got to play like a majority..we just ain't NO minority like you think!! Ask your hairdresser so YOU can get a CLUE!!

    "he majority of black women's hair grows out, not down. That is a fact."

    No it aint!! Ask your hairdresser...you talking about what you do not know!!! Our hair is on a spectrum like our skin color..bu the thing is..our skin color don't necessarily match the texture of the hair...cause we all MIXED.

    So back your shyt UP!! You don't know what the phuck you talking about even if you THINK your texture hair is a majority.

    It AIN't!!

    The majority is that it ain't straight!! But the DEGREE of curl is soooo varied!!! All of us don't have tight curls even if it ain't straight...and whether you know it or not...we are a majority TOO!!
  • itgurl_29 · 2 months ago
    Oh, lord. Most black women do not have hair like Mariah and Alicia. That's a fact. Most black women in this country have a tight curl pattern. And I stand by that statement.

    I guess now you're gonna tell me that most black women are Mariah's complexion as well.

    God, do we hate our hair so much that now we're trying to convince ourselves that most black women have silken waves growing out of our scalps?
  • laRapierWit · 2 months ago
    "Most black women do not have hair like Mariah and Alicia."

    I agree. That is what I said. How bout you read it again so you can get it?

    "Most black women in this country have a tight curl pattern. And I stand by that statement"

    No they don't. Just cause you stand by a lie, don't make it true..

    "I guess now you're gonna tell me that most black women are Mariah's complexion as well."

    Nope. But that IS my point, complexion ain't got shyt to do with the texture of hair on your head!!! Women dark as night can have straight tresses and women look like albinos can have tightly coiled kinky hair. YOU just don't get it!! Black women's hair is on a spectrum just like our complexion..and jsut cause you see a sista that dont look hi yellow to you ..don't mean her hair is tightlyccoiled LIKE you SEEM to think!!! don;t take my word for it..ask your hairdresser...she'll tell you the same ASS shyt!


    "do we hate our hair so much that now we're trying to convince ourselves that most black women have silken waves growing out of our scalps?"

    NAW. I am trying to get you to understand that MOST black women don't have that tightly coiled shyt YOU talking about!!

    Don't mean it is silken flowing tresses...but it fo sho ain't no rug head either!!
  • caligirl · 2 months ago
    rug head? c'mon whiterosebuddy.
  • itgurl_29 · 2 months ago
    "Rug head". Proves my point.
  • khrish · 2 months ago
    But "good hair" is strong healty hair. I don't see why it's such a problem. Black and white women do different things to their hair. Blacks want it straighter and whites want it curlier. It's just hair. I loved with the white woman was on with Oprah and talking about how surprised she was at what Black women did to their hair and Oprah started asking her about the dying of their hair. They all want to be blond. I saw my co-workers with a comb packing down their hair at the roots so that they could have the body that Black women have to create hairstyles that give volumn. What's the difference. it's just hair. And a lot of women are upset because they believe that Chris has given away their secrets. I think that it is funny because I, being a Black woman, can't understand why Black women pay so much money to get weird things done to their hair. And wonder when we will ever stop buying so much hair. It's like Simbad said a long time ago " Some of have bought and added so much hair that our necks can barely hold up from the weight. When will it ever be enough.....and for what? your man can't even touch it. To me, that's just crazy.
  • caligirl · 2 months ago
    very good questions. as a parent, i wholeheartedly agree. it's pretty near impossible to try and stress self-acceptance when you aren't practising it yourself.
  • itgurl_29 · 2 months ago
    One thing I can't stand is that the way I think is considered radical by sisters who perm their hair, but they'll never answer the question. And I think it's a serious question. It's the reason that the little black girls still want the white dolls. It's not society's fault, it's the fault of black women. How can a woman tell her child that her natural black hair is beautiful, when she chemically alters her hair to emulate a look that has nothing to do with afro textured hair. That's about as loony at telling your daughter her skin is beautiful while chemically altering yours to look white.
  • Sepia · 2 months ago
    You know, I read a lot of black hair care websites/blogs/message boards, and there are a lot of sisters on there, who wear their hair natural, who are always looking for methods to alter their natural 4b hair texture so that it looks curly or wavy. So, are those natural heads trying to conform to a Eurocentric standard form a beauty like you feel relaxer heads are?
  • itgurl_29 · 2 months ago
    I feel like if you are looking to alter the texture of your hair to something that you think is more euro centric, then yes, you have issues with your black hair. And yes, this goes for the natural sisters who don't like their 4b hair and are looking for some miracle cream to get ringlets like Stacey Dash. It's still saying something is wrong with coarse or tightly curled hair.
  • Myth · 2 months ago
    OTFLMBO - "natural 4b hair texture"
  • realitysurfer · 2 months ago
    I know I have posted here before, just a reminder that before Chris's Film..there was mine....

    Please take a moment to check out my documentary film BLACK HAIR

    It is free at youtube. 6 parts including an update from London, England.

    It explores the Korean Take-over of the Black Beauty Supply and Hair biz..

    The current situation makes it hard to believe that Madame C.J. Walker once ran the whole thing.

    I am not a hater, I am a motivator.

    Plus I am a White guy who stumbled upon this, and felt it was so wrong I had to make a film about it.

    self-funded film, made from the heart.

    Can it be taken back?

    Link
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p96aaTSdrAE
  • Shazza · 2 months ago
    Weren't you on The Michael Baisden show? I thought your film sounded pretty interesting.
  • Sepia · 2 months ago
    I saw your doc on youtube several years ago, and it was VERY eye opening. You did a good job with exposing the business side of the hair care industry. Thank you!
  • Lilytiger · 2 months ago
    Just finished watching it and the updates online.
  • ymoore · 1 month ago
    Just viewed your documentary. What struck me most was the Korean and US government policy shifts that facilitated Korean's market growth in the Black hair industry.

    Thanks for sharing.
  • Muzikal203 · 2 months ago
    I had a perm, I'm transitioning now. My decision to go "back to my roots" has nothing to do with a man, or a job. There are LOTS of sistahs out there now with natural hair that I bet Chris wouldn't even be able to tell them from the ones with a perm. Plus, since I've been doing the research, natural hair can be just as expensive as relaxed hair (product junkies anyone? I'm trying to avoid being a product junkie). Also I find that you can do sooooo much more with natural hair than you can with relaxed hair. You can do ALL of the relaxed styles and you have a whole set of styles available that can't really be done on natural hair.

    From what I can gather (and I haven't seen the film) all Chris is doing is kind of like pointing at Black women saying "look at all of the stuff they do to their hair!" and making jokes instead of really trying to understand WHY we do what we do. I had a perm because I thought it would make my hair more manageable, not because I wanted to look white or be accepted in some group. Putting all of those chemicals made my hair break off. I regularly ended up with chemical burns after getting a perm because I'd inevitably scratch my head right even when I knew I was going to get a perm. Now I can scratch my hair in freedom knowing I'm not going to be torturing myself later for a few seconds of bliss (lol).

    Since I've decided to go natural, I've learned now to take MUCH better care of my hair. I'm learning about the different oils and herbs to use. I've learned how to de-tangle my new-growth without combing my hair out. I've learned that air-drying is actually AWESOME (even if it does take a long time because my hair is so thick). I've also learned that my natural hair is just as (if not MORE) beautiful than my relaxed hair. Sure I could have learned all of this stuff before, but I never took the initiative because I thought I was doing enough with my relaxed hair. I'm actually excited about doing my hair now instead of dreading having to deal with it. I've always appreciated that my hair is thick (especially since it likes to break off in the back when I'm stressed), but I've grown to LOVE the fact that my hair is thick. I can't wait till I can rock an 8-12 inch Afro. LOL

    I admit, I will miss my highlights though, I'm not putting anymore color in my hair when they grow out.

    I've started a blog to document my hair journey and share what I'm learning along the way, feel free to check it out: http://muzikalhairjournal.blogspot.com/
  • laRapierWit · 2 months ago
    Why is it if AA's wear straight hair, it's gotta be about how much they do/don't love themselves?

    How you wear your hair is much more of a fashion statement...and no one says we do not love ourselves if we are wearing GUCCI, Chanel, Giovanni, Amani, Kors.

    Just as there is a spectrum of how folks wear clothing styles, some into ethnic, others into designer fashions and still others are into bohemian. Hair is treated the same way, it is about taste and style NOT self esteem. We see this same diversity in non-blacks..with their gothic, hippie rock and acid looks. Hair is about the fashion whether you black, white, pink green or orange.

    Frankly, I'm with your dad ...all hair is good hair.
  • Babylon · 2 months ago
    Thank you!

    I'm soooo tired of everything I do being politicized.
  • APeach · 2 months ago
    Yup. I relax my hair, AND I have a weave, I happen to love me...a lot. :<)

    My hair journey: I think I received my first relaxer around 9 or 10. Before that, Mom used the hot comb...oh Lawd, do I still remember having to *sitreallystill* in the kitchen! I also remember sitting for hours while Mom would braid and bead my hair. I'm smiling at the memories of carefully selecting which beads I'd wear: the small beads in rainbow colors or the big wooden ones. But in both cases, I had learned to get over being "tender-headed" really rather quickly.

    When I was in middle school, I wanted a Jheri Curl. I remember wanting to look just like Bunny DeBarge. Seriously. Mom was firm: ABSOLUTELY NOT. Thank goodness for her firmness.

    My hair was not "good hair" but it was thick and just past my shoulders, and that always seemed like a Very Good Thing. Dad said my hair reminded him of some of his aunts. And to this day, I remember being asked, "Why don't Black Girls grow their hair long?" By a Black Boy. I still remember him; we're still friends.

    For the most part, I could do what I wanted with my hair as a teenager but I could NOT cut it. (Clearly, I am Southern with Southern parents.) I also couldn't color it, and did not do so until I was 25 or 26. So I could wear my hair short in the front, but there had to be "length" in the back. I also did the asymmetrical thing--but again, I had to have some hair back there. The two times I cut it shorter (the second time was to correct a bad cut the first time) my Grandmother went positively ape shit. "Oh my God! Why did you cut your hair!?!?! You need to keep your hair long."

    My answer: "It'll grow back." That earned me the side eye.

    Anyway, Mom made me keep the scissors out of my head before I took my Senior pics. She said that I'd want to look more "conservative" for such formal pictures. I disagreed, but like yearning to be Bunny DeBarge, it was a wise decision. By the time I graduated, it had all grown back. A few days before I left for college, I opted for a bob and chopped most of it off.

    Mom was not amused.

    I told her that in a few days, I wouldn't be around for her to see it. (Now I have to say that I was really obedient as a kid so on the rare occasion I did something "wrong" it would catch my parents' attention.)

    I didn't really question the relaxers until into my mid-late 20s. Funny how work and marriage made me question why I was in a salon for a gazillion hours, triple-booked, while I had work to do. But everyone always told me that going natural meant chopping off all your hair. Um...no. Say I've been brainwashed by my Southern family, but I didn't want to do that. Still don't. I'll cut some of it, but super short? No. Don't like it that way. I have plenty of friends that rock short cuts, and they bring the fire. But not me.

    In my early 30s, I tried weaves for the first time. I used to be adamant that "I didn't need a weave" until my nieces grew from babies to girlhood. Their hair was *never* the same when I'd see them: sometimes braided/cornrows or curly braids or curly ponytail...whatever. Their hairstyles were just another accessory. So I figured, "Why not." So I'd get them in, take them out...no big deal.

    Anyway, I had to re-visit my relaxer relationship when I discovered that I suffered a *huge* amount of hair breakage. All we could tell is that the former hairstylist did a piss poor job of rinsing out all of the relaxer. So my stylist cut my hair into long layers to mask it; she then weaved in a track. And I left it alone. In short order, it started growing back. I just left it alone. After some months, I touched my non-relaxed hair for the first time in years. She felt wonderful! :) So I decided to braid most of the hair and let it grow out with the weave in place. I've just decided that I'll blow dry it straight if that's how I want to wear it. I'll likely take the weave out in the spring.

    Who knows *what* I'll do with it in a few years.

    Anyway, I didn't mean to write a book, but I think every Black woman has a "hairstory." While I'm not mad at Chris Rock for the film, I could have slapped him when he said that Black men don't care about hair. BULLSHIT! Yes the hell they do. Just look at the video "models" they use for one example. That's not an accident.

    While I'm sure his heart sank when his little girls asked him why they didn't have 'good hair," he needs to also look within himself--while looking at his wife. Would he have married a woman with her natural crown of tightly curly hair? Or, for that matter, a woman sharing his skin tone?

    Oh, but I've written much too much as it is...!!!
  • CPL · 2 months ago
    I rock a texturizer, but I've always had long hair, and bad perms took out my hair on two occasions.

    I understand rocking weaves or extensions, too. And yeah, it is bullshyt that brothas don't care about how sistas rock their hair. I used to see it all the damned time when during my club days, and I saw it in full effect during Congressional Black Caucus weekend in DC a few weeks ago.

    Sistas rocking long hair got hollered at. Didn't matter if sista was a stick insect or one of the Bertha Butt sisters - if she rocked a long weave, or had naturally long hair, she got hollas.

    I saw some elegant sistas rocking the pixie cuts, and they got no play.

    SMH at that, because those sistas looked pretty tight to me.
  • APeach · 2 months ago
    For accuracy, I now have a texturizer for my "real" hair, and I have a very nice color that I absolutely love. The rest of my hair is "hibernating." I rather like it like this.

    But yeah...brothas need to stop trippin' 'cuz I've seen and heard it too many times--from my own brother *and* his friends. In fact, I had to pull him up when we were teenagers over he and another friend's repeated use of "Red Bone." Arghhhhhhh!!!!! Ooooooh, just the mere *thought* of that vile term makes me wanna slap somebody. At least it sunk in.

    Re: CBC--see, that's when I'm reminded that DC is still a Southern city. *snicker* I am not at all surprised. I actually meant to hang out a lot more, but didn't get the opportunity. Went to the gala and one party and went home. We're an old, married couple...so boring :<) --but glad I'm not trying to date in DC. God, it's just brutal!
  • isonprize · 2 months ago
    I think the biggest myth that a whole lot of black women have is that their natural hair, the hair that grows outta their heads, will not grow. There are good-and-grown women who haven't felt a handful of their own natural hair since they were 8 or 9 years old.

    For your basic, nappy thick hair, it takes time and effort, regardless of the style. I have worn my hair in every style imaginable (with the exception of the Jheri curl - I just couldn't get with the plastic bag and 'jheri curl juice')

    Now that I've allowed it to be live without chemicals, I have rocked a TWA (teeny-weeny-afro), two-strand twists, Angela Davis afro, braids, corn rows, press & curled. Recently, I wore it flat twisted for so long, it started to lock.

    So, I went to a natural stylist who palmed rolled it right, and now I am locking. Plus, I recently got it colored for the first time in my life. If at some point, I don't like it or get tired of it, I'll cut it off and start all over.

    As two of my close family members have suffered hair loss from chemo/cancer, I'm just happy to have it growing out of my head.

    I could give less than a damn what anybody else thinks about my hair.... black men, white women, white men, other black women, whoever... As long as they ain't trying to touch it without my permission, they are cool with me. (Well, the right brotha can touch it all he wants, but I digress....)

    It's mine, whether I grow it, dye it, press it or buy it. I can do whatever the hell I want to do with it. PERIOD.
  • Miranda · 2 months ago
    It's mine, whether I grow it, dye it, press it or buy it. I can do whatever the hell I want to do with it. PERIOD.

    That is all.
  • APeach · 2 months ago
    "There are good-and-grown women who haven't felt a handful of their own natural hair since they were 8 or 9 years old."

    Hey...I resemble that remark! LOL!! :<) It's very true, for me, anyway...I mentioned it downthread. But the essential thing is, it's our hair and we can do what we want with it.

    The only people who touch my hair: my Man, my Mama and my hairstylist.
  • itgurl_29 · 2 months ago
    I don't think an 8 year old can chose to get a perm.
  • Myth · 2 months ago
    "...it's our hair and we can do what we want with it..."
    Alrightey then, say that.
  • Myth · 2 months ago
    You go girl!
  • Bianca45 · 2 months ago
    Hmm, could have done without the continued mocking of Michael Jackson...
  • CPL · 2 months ago
    I'm honest - I'm happy to rock a texturizer and keeps my hair straight.

    Now, I rock straight hair because I think I look my best with straight hair.

    My stylist said that good hair was "healthy, well-groomed" hair, regardless of texture. She rocks some kicking dreads that are never matted and are always clean and healthy looking. As my stylist, I have to say my hair is in better shape now than when I lived in California and rocked a press and curl.

    She got rid of my dandruff issues and hipped me to Paul Mitchell T-Tree Shampoo, Mizani, Nexus and Aveda hair products that keep me tight, even between shop visits, cause I can't afford to go every two weeks. I even color and highlight my own hair, and I always get compliments.

    If you're happy to be nappy, I'm happy you're nappy, too. But for me, I have too much hair to rock a 'fro, so I rock it straight for the reason I gave.

    Paul Mooney said in "Good hair" - "If you're relaxed, Whites are relaxed, but if you're nappy, Whites are not happy..."

    I've seen sistas get fired for rocking killer braids in corporate style fashion, but they made out like bandits when they sued.

    Get it where you fit in - with your hair and everything else in life.
  • Nardwilly · 2 months ago
    My hair would be described in the Black community as 'good hair.' I was vain about my hair in elementary school. My friend and I would stand in the mirror and brush waves into our hair every Sunday after church before we went to the show, (movies).

    After we discovered "Black is Beautiful", I became diligent about getting rid of the term among my friends. I would say clean and groomed hair is good hair. The summer after my senior year I did not comb my hair all summer. I washed it every day with Kirk's Castille soap. I greased the scalp with Posner’s Bergamot every night. Now that was some good hair.

    I raised my kids and tried to teach their friends and cousins, good hair is clean and groomed hair.
  • BMWA · 2 months ago
    Years ago I had a friend who was diagnosed with cancer. She had to undergo chemo. And as a result she suffered hair loss. This was very traumatizing for her. She really was proud of her hair. She often refered to her hair as her crown. The texture of her hair was what some might call good hair. Thanks to God she has been in remission for two years. Her hair has grown back, but the texture ,according to her is not the same. She feels that she was punished for being so vain. I told her that she is not being punished, and to be grateful that she is alive with the texture of hair that she has. To all my Beautiful Black Sisters out there . I love you whether you have good hair, bad hair, or no hair. You are all queens to me.

    Ahkoben
  • ochyming · 2 months ago
    People should love themselves first, if not how can you understand love from anyone?

    "She feels that she was punished for being so vain."
    So she did not think that that awful thing was a punishment?
    Then why would her hair be?

    Wicked?!
  • BMWA · 2 months ago
    The whole ordeal of being diagnosed with cancer, along with the chemo made her feel like she was being punished. She has come to terms with her health and her hair.
  • ochyming · 2 months ago
    I did not meant to be rude or cynic, but NO one deserve that punishment.
    It was the feeling of self pity that annoyed me.
    But i cannot blame her for that, time to time it engulf us all.
  • thefriendraiser · 2 months ago
    happy to be nappy - i rock a fade now after I cut of my locs. not political - FINANCIAL, i can't afford to do all of that fancy stuff :-)
  • sdwjones · 2 months ago
    I'm a natural sista. It's not a militant thing. I just wanted to teach my daughter to love herself. I wrote about it here
    http://www.examiner.com/x-7361-Houston-Black-Cu...

    here

    http://www.examiner.com/x-7361-Houston-Black-Cu...

    and here:

    http://www.examiner.com/x-7361-Houston-Black-Cu...
  • Shazza · 2 months ago
    Here are the 2 trailers for 'Good Hair' and 'My Nappy Roots', the movie that he was sued over. I'm a bit more interested in finding that one.

    http://www.rhymeswithsnitch.com/2009/10/you-be-...
  • storm529 · 2 months ago
    Thanks for giving me the chance to see the infamous "My Nappy Roots" clip.

    I saw Rock's "Good Hair" and after viewing "My Nappy Roots" I can now understand why the filmmaker feels like her film was stolen. The topic and style of filming are very, very similar.

    If Rock had not seen this film prior to making his film, then I could believe that the obvious similarites are coincidental. But Rock claims he did see "My Nappy Roots" and used it for research purposes.

    I think, in the very least, he should have given the sister some credit for co-opting her message and film style.
  • CPL · 2 months ago
    Sounds like homegirl might have a lawsuit, ala Eddie Murphy and "Coming to America" when Art Buchwald proved Eddie stole his idea.

    Makes me pissed that Chris Rock didn't have an original idea; that he's benefitting off of someone else's hard work.

    I'd sue for copyright violation - if he's going to use someone else's ideas, he should at least pay for the privilege.

    While I'm glad he's addressing his daughter's self-esteem issues, there are probably other ways he could have done that. Why did Lola feel that she didn't have "good hair" in the first place?
  • isonprize · 2 months ago
    From what I understand, she tried and lost, because she didn't have Rock sign a non-disclosure agreement (or some such legal disclaimer) BEFORE she allowed him to view the flick. And of course, he wouldn't sign one after...
  • pjamma · 2 months ago
    nm
  • ochyming · 2 months ago
    … just as the divine intelligence made us.

    Isn't there a parallelism?

    god made/nature made
    good hair/bad hair


    Both are lazy terms, so lazy that we fail to come with what they really mean.


    Take a good look at images of the ancient Egyptians and what historians seem to avoid talking about — they had dreadlocks! Beautiful long locs & braids that should look very familiar if you are black. (Well, ok, actually at some point they shaved their heads in ancient Egyptian high society and made loc wigs, but we’re splitting hairs here. Har.)


    Good point!
    For many Egypt is not even Africa



    I believe that everyone has the right to do whatever they want with their hair.

    I think so.
  • Town · 2 months ago
    LOL, I was in a lecture in college and this white girl jumped up and challenged the speaker who said that Egypt was in Africa and Egyptians were Africans. White girl jumped up and shouted that Egypt WAS NOT in Africa. The speaker looked at her and said "What map are YOU looking at?"
  • Myth · 2 months ago
    "Good Hair" is cultural and African Americans OWN the term and the belief about what it means to us and for us. Get over it, it ain't going away. It is not self-hatred, it just is what it is. Everyone knows our hair issue are "difficult" at best. It takes a lot of work whether you perm it, braid it, weave it, jeri it or lock it. Our hair takes works, period. When we see somebody with good hair it is hard for any AA not to imagine what it would be like to have "carefree hair" where you don't have to press, grease, tease or whateva else it takes to manage it. That's just a part of who we are and it's NOT going away. When I look at Halle Berry's hair I want it and I love me. It just looks easy to take care of short or long. The diversity is beautiful to me. It's discussed in and out of the "beauty shop" where many black women spend hours and hours trying to get they hair did in an "acceptable" manner for themselves.

    I do have a question that I would love some feedback on. Is it true that those of us who are AA only go into swimming only if we have good hair, thus the reason why not many AA have dominated the sport?

    We have issues with our hair and I don't have a problem with it because over the years we have developed many, many "hair care systems" to make it work for us individually and collectively.

    "Would Michelle Obama be first lady if she had natural hair?" Ima give that one some serious thought. I would hope so; BUT this is America where she has to go along to get along.
  • APeach · 2 months ago
    Re: swimming--I dunno. I thought the prevailing stereotype was that Black folks couldn't swim generally, not just hair. That still perplexes me. I don't swim as much as I used to. I do work out regularly, though.

    Re: FLOTUS: I don't think so. If she wore an afro she'd definitely NOT be FLOTUS. Folks would think Angela Davis and catch the vapors. Juan Williams would spontaneously combust--which I realize is reason enough. Heh.

    Seriously, though, herein lies the rub--ANY FLOTUS needs to have look that says "corporate" which, more to the point, says "safe" and "mature." Relaxed hair for African American women is seen as "corporate" and "safe." I dare say that you'll ever see a FLOTUS with long blonde or brunette hair worn down in public. It would be "too sexy." We already have to get folks smelling salts because of her arm or because she wore shorts during a summertime vacation.
  • Myth · 2 months ago
    Do you think Michelle bringing all that she is to Barack, he loved and married her, that he would not have gotten elected because his wife had a short, natural, good hair?

    Or

    Will he get re-elected if Michelle cut it all off and went to a natural?

    Just asking...
  • khrish · 2 months ago
    I'm excited to see Chris' new film.
  • Facebook User · 2 months ago
    Even with all of this analysis, we still have not asked the vital questions. First, if black women account for the majority of hair care sales, then why does this spending power not translate into any sort of business power? I'm going to move away from the idea of blackness to the question of why are we still consumers instead of producers? In most of the companies that create black hair care products, the majority of the people who make decisions are not people of color. For example, I refuse to buy any product housed by L'Oreal because they have disciminated against well qualified black women executives. Now, you mean a company that prides itself in hiring famous black women as packaging will not allow a person of color to have power. I mean, I think we have to get beyond the blackness conversation, and make the hair care industry work for us.
  • Myth · 2 months ago
    Great point...sad circumstances
  • Rhondacoca · 2 months ago
    I agree however one thing, with our population (12%), there is no way we can make up the majority of hair care sales.
  • kathrynne · 2 weeks ago
    Tightly coiled hair does not equal"shyt" if it is tightly coiled that is cool and if it is in between that is cool too...black hair varies based on the ethnic mixture in our ancestry...thats all...black woman have heard or been the target of vicious comments about their hair at some point in there lives as children or adults...and black men will call a black women bald headed in a minute if she has a short fro or doo... that would make any woman feel badly. So at the end of the day the documentary Rock did failed to do what if could have done...as it primarily succeeded only in holding certain aspects of black female grooming up for ridicule.