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Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

kathrynne — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:43:12 -0000

Tightly coiled hair does not equal"shyt" if it is tightly coiled that is cool and if it is in between that is cool too...black hair varies based on the ethnic mixture in our ancestry...thats all...black woman have heard or been the target of vicious comments about their hair at some point in there lives as children or adults...and black men will call a black women bald headed in a minute if she has a short fro or doo... that would make any woman feel badly. So at the end of the day the documentary Rock did failed to do what if could have done...as it primarily succeeded only in holding certain aspects of black female grooming up for ridicule.

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

ymoore — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:02:09 -0000

Just viewed your documentary. What struck me most was the Korean and US government policy shifts that facilitated Korean's market growth in the Black hair industry.

Thanks for sharing.

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

Khrish — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:36:23 -0000

Why do we always get so uptight about such silly things. So what if we choose to do certain things to our hair. What's the big deal. Is it such a big deal that someone decides to talk about it? Is it supposed to be a secret that we choose to change the styles and colors and textures of our hair. As Wanda Sykes said "white people are watching us" is that the reason. I, myself, can't understand why a woman would spend so many hours at a hair salon just for a hair style and I'm Black. I never knew that men weren't allowed to touch our hair until I started seeing the reactions on TV sitcoms. If we do things to change the texture of our hair because we want to do them, that's our right. If, on the other hand, we are doing it to pretend to others that this is really our hair or hair texture, then I can understand that we get so upset. Chris Rock is a comic, he does things in a comical way. I don't have a problem with it and I need to understand why we get so bent out of shape about it. It's like he has exposed some deep dark secret about us. Tyra showed some Black women who actually bleach their skin to be lighter and no one seemed to get upset about that. I just don't get it......We don't like Tyler Perry's movies because.....we don't like Spike Lee's directing because.......How dare Chris Rock talk about our hair publicly. We go to the movies and laugh or cry and share many emotions, but when it's about us.......everything must be serious. We say that because we are Black, we don't think, speak, believe, vote as a one mind group; but we jump all over others that show this as truth; leading to the belief that we are of one mind. Why are we so touchy about everything? Maybe I'm lost in what I am seeing, so I need to have it explained to me. On many of the websites that i have visited, predominatly where Blacks post; I am especially upset with the postings of young Blacks always interested in skin color and hair textures. When I stay among my own group who talk about other things, it surprises me to find on those websites that the younger folk are still caught up, continuing to spread and accept these age old ideals of color and hair texture among many other things. I'm much more concerned about the reality shows that BET and Bravo are showcasing about our women. Housewives of Atlanta, that portrays "so called" the elite of our community (what a joke) Black people are not putting on these shows yet few have anything to say about these and the ratings are through the roof. When we were going thru summer tv schedule and I had a chance to see a couple episodes of these two show, I was appalled at the material that was presented of Black women, even how we who are more financially fortunate are showcased; and our young folk are eating it up. Now that bothers me. I truly don't think that Chris is giving his opinion on Black women's hair, it's just a fun documentary. Why are we so upset and "insulted" about this. All the first ladies have been made fun of by many comedians, that's normal. We know better......Wanda Sykes made jokes about the first lady but it was just a joke.....We know better. or is it that "white people are watching". Come on people, must we dissect everything done by Blacks celebrities in show business? They are celebrities and we are moving them to a higher status than they deserve. Many were upset when Denzel won the Oscar by playing a dirty cop and we wanted to know why he had not won when he played good guys. I saw it as the versatility of Denzel as a actor. Who would have ever thought that he could play a role so different that the usual roles he is so good at. Not I. I was blown away at his portrayal in that film. That's why I though he was the winner of the Oscar. He stepped out of the comfort role and he nailed it. When will we stop caring about what some white folk think of us. My goodness with their history in this country, I couldn't care less what many of them think about me; cause it could never compare with what I think about many of them. I just don't feel that this documentary by Chris merits the attention and controversy that we are giving it. It's just hair, not the secret to success.

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

Rhondacoca — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:05:43 -0000

I agree however one thing, with our population (12%), there is no way we can make up the majority of hair care sales.

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

itgurl_29 — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:28:16 -0000

"Rug head". Proves my point.

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

caligirl — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:37:51 -0000

sarcasm, huh?

okay...if u say so.

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

caligirl — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:35:33 -0000

rug head? c'mon whiterosebuddy.

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

caligirl — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:33:00 -0000

she is an odd individual.

i find that to be the case with many scorpio women. at least the scorpios i've known.

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

caligirl — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:30:25 -0000

for someone so non-judgmental, damned near everything in your comment is heterosexist.

surprise, surprise...LOL!!!

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

laRapierWit — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:15:14 -0000

"Most black women do not have hair like Mariah and Alicia."

I agree. That is what I said. How bout you read it again so you can get it?

"Most black women in this country have a tight curl pattern. And I stand by that statement"

No they don't. Just cause you stand by a lie, don't make it true..

"I guess now you're gonna tell me that most black women are Mariah's complexion as well."

Nope. But that IS my point, complexion ain't got shyt to do with the texture of hair on your head!!! Women dark as night can have straight tresses and women look like albinos can have tightly coiled kinky hair. YOU just don't get it!! Black women's hair is on a spectrum just like our complexion..and jsut cause you see a sista that dont look hi yellow to you ..don't mean her hair is tightlyccoiled LIKE you SEEM to think!!! don;t take my word for it..ask your hairdresser...she'll tell you the same ASS shyt!

"do we hate our hair so much that now we're trying to convince ourselves that most black women have silken waves growing out of our scalps?"

NAW. I am trying to get you to understand that MOST black women don't have that tightly coiled shyt YOU talking about!!

Don't mean it is silken flowing tresses...but it fo sho ain't no rug head either!!

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

itgurl_29 — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:45:30 -0000

Oh, lord. Most black women do not have hair like Mariah and Alicia. That's a fact. Most black women in this country have a tight curl pattern. And I stand by that statement.

I guess now you're gonna tell me that most black women are Mariah's complexion as well.

God, do we hate our hair so much that now we're trying to convince ourselves that most black women have silken waves growing out of our scalps?

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

laRapierWit — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:32:10 -0000

"The fact is most black women do "

No they dont! And that is my point!! You speaking to a SUBset of black women. And there is a WHOLE bunch of us, not feelin your need to describe black women's texture as being PRIMARILY one way!

It ain't about KEYS, Carey or Chili...a whole bunch of us simply do not have the texture you describe!!! It don't have to be straight but it simply does not CURL TIGHTLY like you describe. IOW's we can't be no afro and it aint straight either. So back your declaration UP!! Everyone don't have the hair you describe AND it ain't necessarily sTRAIGHT!!

"But to play like they are anywhere near the majority"

Ain't got to play like a majority..we just ain't NO minority like you think!! Ask your hairdresser so YOU can get a CLUE!!

"he majority of black women's hair grows out, not down. That is a fact."

No it aint!! Ask your hairdresser...you talking about what you do not know!!! Our hair is on a spectrum like our skin color..bu the thing is..our skin color don't necessarily match the texture of the hair...cause we all MIXED.

So back your shyt UP!! You don't know what the phuck you talking about even if you THINK your texture hair is a majority.

It AIN't!!

The majority is that it ain't straight!! But the DEGREE of curl is soooo varied!!! All of us don't have tight curls even if it ain't straight...and whether you know it or not...we are a majority TOO!!

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

itgurl_29 — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:35:48 -0000

I bet you're one of those black women that will still perm even after the studies finally confirm perms are the reason black women die of all kinds of cancers at sky high rates compared to all other women. You'll still be running for the creamy crack even if it kills you.

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

itgurl_29 — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:33:53 -0000

The fact is most black women do and the sooner black women accept that and embrace it, the better. Are there black women out there with hair like Mariah or Alicia Keys or Chili from TLC. Yes, there are black women who have that hair texture. But to play like they are anywhere near the majority so as to justify perming as if all black women have silky hair anyway is absurd and pathetic. The majority of black women's hair grows out, not down. That is a fact. The majority of black women have tightly curled hair, not loose waves or straight silken locks like a Swede.

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

itgurl_29 — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:28:21 -0000

I feel like if you are looking to alter the texture of your hair to something that you think is more euro centric, then yes, you have issues with your black hair. And yes, this goes for the natural sisters who don't like their 4b hair and are looking for some miracle cream to get ringlets like Stacey Dash. It's still saying something is wrong with coarse or tightly curled hair.

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

itgurl_29 — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:26:15 -0000

I don't think that because a sista perms she's looking to be white. But she is choosing to emulate a non-black standard of beauty.That's just a fact and there's no way around it.

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

itgurl_29 — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:24:55 -0000

That's a poor analogy and it shows that you see natural hair as something nasty and disgusting. Flaky skin is nasty. It's not blackness. It's gross to have skin flaking off your body and not keeping your skin hydrated. The proper analogy would be like never washing your hair and letting dandruff build up on your hair.

Why did you try to equate natural hair with something gross like flaking skin?

See, this is the kind of talk I hear all the time from women who try to defend the fact that they perm their hair. They always come with this idea that natural hair is nasty and they don't even realize what they are saying.

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

Khrish — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:55:12 -0000

But dampened hair is always more relaxed. If you use the brush first, then the comb, don't you agree?

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

Khrish — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:49:18 -0000

That' s why I say she is weird. It's always very difficult for me to understand where she's coming from. I haven't pigeonholed her because I don't know how. I just never quite understand her.

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

Anita1970 — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:03:36 -0000

But why is Whoopi weird. She's attracted to white men but that doesn't mean she doesn't like black people nor that she doesn't see herself as a black person rooted in the historical black experience. I always think it's odd that people who date outside of their "race" are considered to no longer even identify with the culture they were raised in. i don't think it's necessarily so that a person's attraction says anything at all about the level of identification or pride they have in their own group.

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

laRapierWit — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:36:31 -0000

The problem is ALL BlackWomen do not have the hair texture you describe as

"Tightly curled hair is not meant to bounce and behave Tightly curled hair does not swing in a ponytail, it's a puff."

Don't work like that...we have a spectrum of hair texture just like we do about skin color, facial features and physiques!!

The black race is not monolithic in any way!!

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

Guest — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:48:00 -0000

Hey Khrish. I knew this would be a hot topic. Everyone cannot dampen their hair and comb it (the curl may just tighten again). The good thing about all the hair systems is it gives people "options." Bringing up the issue of "your man can't even touch it" brings up a whole new set of dynamics and discussion. OTFLMBO

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

Guest — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:40:10 -0000

Great point...sad circumstances

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

ZionFulfilled — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:59:47 -0000

Even with all of this analysis, we still have not asked the vital questions. First, if black women account for the majority of hair care sales, then why does this spending power not translate into any sort of business power? I'm going to move away from the idea of blackness to the question of why are we still consumers instead of producers? In most of the companies that create black hair care products, the majority of the people who make decisions are not people of color. For example, I refuse to buy any product housed by L'Oreal because they have disciminated against well qualified black women executives. Now, you mean a company that prides itself in hiring famous black women as packaging will not allow a person of color to have power. I mean, I think we have to get beyond the blackness conversation, and make the hair care industry work for us.

Re: Chris Rock’s New Movie: Good Hair

Khrish — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:06:19 -0000

I'm excited to see Chris' new film.