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Re: CNN’s ‘Latino in America’ -Day 1 Open Thread

Rey — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:53:01 -0000

Because no one likes to talk about the elephant in the room (if you meant CNN). http://cockroachpeople.com/...

If you meant JJPolitics, don't assume anyone has even heard of bastadobbs. there seems to be a new campaign against Dobbs every week. I thought this was the latest campaign: http://www.dropdobbs.com/

Re: CNN’s ‘Latino in America’ -Day 1 Open Thread

Rey — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:41:40 -0000

Sure, but I doubt that many of the folks who would need to know such basic information would actually be watching a documentary about Latinos on CNN.

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Rey — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:32:19 -0000

You're thinking of Memin Penguin, yeah it was a scandal ten years ago. I wouldn't call that "active persecution" by Mexican standards. I'd call it ignorant, insensitive and racist. Mexico has a weird relationship with afro-mexicans. they are mostly ignored as Sepia said, but on the other hand there is a fetishization of them too. I have heard Mexicans say glowingly when I've noted the African-American contribution to the US culture, that "we have blacks too (translation)!" Active persecution is having your family murdered and/or dissappeared by paramilitary death squads. You really have to be Indian in Mexico to enjoy that kind of attention.

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Lilytiger — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:45:48 -0000

All the more reason for her to do it.

heh

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blksista — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:48:33 -0000

During the Zoot Suit Riots, blacks were helping Latinos to fight back against the sailors and police. They were even saving their lives, protecting them from getting beaten up. Or they were even giving them encouragement.

That was back in the day. This is now.

What a shame.

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texascowgirl — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:46:04 -0000

Wow that's cool. I knew Brazil was #1.

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texascowgirl — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:43:19 -0000

No, it's the reverse: ignorance breeds prejudice.

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Amaya — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:56:27 -0000

Thank you for the article on 36 (?) year old Brent Green. I'm glad he wasn't afraid of his neighbors.

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"Being involved, meeting people," said neighbor Laura Franklin, "it can just transform the place where you live." In fact, overall crime in the area is down nearly 30%. It's made LAPD officer Erid Mollinedo's job easier. "The changes have been dramatic. It's a lot safer. You have kids walking up and down the streets instead of prostitutes strolling the streets now."

That's nice, Officer Friendly. But what does that say about the LAPD's own efforts in FAIL?

Re: CNN’s ‘Latino in America’ -Day 1 Open Thread

Amaya — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:50:57 -0000

"To me Lations are the ultimate race of color,"

I guess it depends where you live. I also guess I'm old, because that used to be said of blacks. But the rainbow has been taken over by gays, so I guess it's no big deal for the diaspora of 'spanning the spectrum' colorwise to be taken over by Latins/Hispanics/whatever. I'm old.

Can you still be latin if your last name is German? or Irish? (the answer out where I live is, that's what hyphens are for.)

Anyway, anybody read the comment over on Bossip several weeks ago from the Dominican chick who said she didn't have a problem with black people because 'they look just like me''? No? alright. Well, the avatar photo she used (and we all know how those aren't necessarily true) was almost as dark as Wesley Snipes. I don't live out on the East Coast. How bad is the 'I'm not black' among American Africans, Caribbeans and Latin-Americans? Or has that been vastly exaggerated?

Anybody else remember the USA Today news article about the lack of blacks in baseball........................ but if you looked at the photo, there was nothing BUT blacks, just blacks with hispanic instead of irish-scot and anglo surnames? Ok, that was just me.

Where I live, a surname is a powerful thing. Should that be enough? Should shared language? particularly if you don't know any Spanish? What happens to the Latin with the non-Spanish surname who 'looks' Indian? I know what happens out here to the Latin with the Spanish surname who's indistinguishable from 'white'.

"there is much being done in white establishment to ferment discord between Afro-Am's and Latino-Am's."

I don't believe that at all. I don't think whites care... except in the 'if she's pretty enough she can't possibly be completely African American'. But that's a universal, isn't it? But beyond that? whites don't care. At least out here, they have enough problems being a majority minority, and all that entails.

No, I believe any discord between African Americans and Latino Americans is strictly between African Americans and Latino Americans. No help needed from the 'outside'.

But I could be wrong.

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kyledeb — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:39:34 -0000

How can this be mentioned without pointing to the bastadobbs.com campaign?

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PTCruiser — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:19:44 -0000

There was a lot more camaraderie and less wariness in Los Angeles between young Blacks and Latinos during the 1940s, 50s and 60s than exists now. I think that you are right about prison culture playing a large role in this turnabout.

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PTCruiser — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:12:32 -0000

The reaction of the Cuban government or, more accurately, segments of the Cuban government, stems from a fear that reports of stories of racial discrimination against darker-skinned Cubans works to undermine the revolution and gives aid and comfort to its enemies who, by and large, have even less regard for black Cubans.

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blksista — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:59:42 -0000

They still make Native Americans buffoons, too.

Someone had to school me about the Indian servant girl in Like Water for Chocolate being a figure of ridicule--it didn't translate for American audiences who laughed on cue at her Butterfly McQueen-type utterances. I was appalled.

Re: CNN’s ‘Latino in America’ -Day 1 Open Thread

blksista — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:53:49 -0000

Short memory span...and it was John XXIII and Paul VI who helped instigate Mass in the language of the people so as to make it more accessible to the believers...

I guess Latin as the basis for most of the Romance languages as well as for English isn't taught in schools any more.

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Town — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:51:06 -0000

Actually I think it's important to know that not all Latinos are Mexican. Some people were running around calling Justice Sotomayor "Mexican" and making little cartoons depicting her as Mexican. A lot of real Americans(tm) don't know that.

Re: CNN’s ‘Latino in America’ -Day 1 Open Thread

Town — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:48:09 -0000

Reading is for uppity Negroes. Real Americans don't read. That is all.

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AxelFoley — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:31:56 -0000

"Well, the leadership of the NAACP is stuck in a 1960's mentality. Their "vision" for the future is myopic at best. And the the organization is structured to deal with issues in the past not issues of the future."

Bingo.

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AxelFoley — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:28:46 -0000

How come I'm not surprised?

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vdrome — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:22:45 -0000

The mass used to be all in Latin

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vdrome — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:21:49 -0000

Not just ignored, but actively persecuted. Did you know they have "black face" characters on stamps in Mexico? Step n Fetchit on a n envelope... SMH

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Guns3000 — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:17:56 -0000

Well, the leadership of the NAACP is stuck in a 1960's mentality. Their "vision" for the future is myopic at best. And the the organization is structured to deal with issues in the past not issues of the future.

I don't know why you think it's appropriate to use "crackers" in your post. If Conserv or any other conservative came on this blog and used "niggers" that would be deemed inappropriate. I think you need to consider how that might be offensive to some people and refrain from doing it. People come on this blog for a lot of reasons but to feel alienated is probably not one of them.

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blksista — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:00:24 -0000

Um, did I say, did I mistake?

Meanwhile, there are some sections of L.A. that are a joy to be in, because of our contributions.

Re: CNN’s ‘Latino in America’ -Day 1 Open Thread

Guns3000 — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:49:54 -0000

You are correct on the gang issue. Lets not mistake a bunch of black and latino gang members who be killing each other anyway as a representation of race relations between the two groups.

Re: CNN’s ‘Latino in America’ -Day 1 Open Thread

blksista — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:37:43 -0000

Correction.

Brazil was Portuguese, not Spanish. It was later part of a united empire with Portugal at one point, because after Napoleon stomped all over Europe, the Portuguese royal family decamped to Brazil to wait out his overthrow.

Re: CNN’s ‘Latino in America’ -Day 1 Open Thread

djchefron — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:34:44 -0000

Afro-Mexicans
http://www.mexconnect.com/a...

Blacks in Mexico - A Brief Overview
http://www.afromexico.com/b...

african presence in mexico
http://www.youtube.com/watc...