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Jack and Jill Politics: Congressman Artur Davis – the ONLY member of the CBC to vote AGAINST healthcare reform

  • RonnieB · 1 month ago
    We can try to intellectualize the nuances that comprise the healthcare debate; and we can do that ad nauseum. But when you peel the skin on the onion, Artur Davis is simply playing up to Deep South white voters and their tendencies to rebel against anything Obama.

    No explanation from him is needed.
  • TiredOfThePhonies · 1 month ago
    I am originally from Alabama and most of my family still lives there so I know a thing or two about Alabama.

    While it is true a few progresssive whites might vote for Davis I can state categorically the most of the white people in the state of Alabama WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR ARTUR DAVIS.

    Not in this lifetime.
  • Booky · 1 month ago
    Exactly RonnieB. I don't know what part of this some people fail to understand:
    Alabama District 7 is 61.7% African-American. 72.2% live in urban areas (primarily Birmingham, Bessemer, Tuscaloosa, Selma and Demopolis). The district’s median per capita income was $26,672.

    NO group is disproportionately uninsured than Black folks, and he voted AGAINST healthcare reform.

    Uh huh.
  • AxelFoley · 1 month ago
    That's what I got from this.
  • twg · 1 month ago
    Obama, Pelosi, Reid.....socialists; skin color no matter.
  • AxelFoley · 1 month ago
    Please STFU. Thank you.
  • twg · 1 month ago
    In responding so elegantly, I can tell that you see my point.
  • khrish · 1 month ago
    you should add to your list any of your family members who are getting Medicare or services provided by the military. You people and your assignments make me sick. Half of you don't know what socialism is. Always pointing fingers and name calling. Get lost!
  • twg · 1 month ago
    U and Axel are quite the "people's correspondent's" aren't you! Your class envy is palpable. I do now get a check, BTW, but I also pay in (to SS) more in a month than you probably do in a year. But you're cool with that, I'm sure, it's only fair to the proletariat.

    Edit/addition:

    I can't believe you would classify military benefits as if they were not earned. Telling.
  • khrish · 1 month ago
    I have no class envy as I have lived quite a good life, thank you very much. I care about my fellow Americans. If you have never read GREED IS NOT ENOUGH, you should give it a go. I am happy that I have been given a heart and that I care about the plight of others. It's all earned money.
  • twg · 1 month ago
    Incessant railing in polemics penned by Marxists doesn't crank my tractor, even though I've read a couple. Social responsibility has no limits for some people however......but someone still has to make the hard decisions. Progressives/socialist think they and their government can do better than the individual. I want me to make as many of those decisions as possible for me, and not the government. Things can be better for sure. Lowering standards of living for everyone my seem fair, it's led to the demise of every civilization that's tried it. Someone always starts herding the sheep in their own direction.
  • khrish · 1 month ago
    But the decision of greed was made by the past government. Don't you get it? If the root rots the whole tooth is doomed to go. Me, Me, Me! That seems to be the only thing that conservatives consider. If the man on the bottom can do better than the top has to grow strong. I can't understand why just common sense wouldn't tell you that. Any simpleton, well not any simpleton, should be able to get that. Trickle down, which was the myth of Regonomics governing style, has never trickled. It only allowed people to feel entitled to be greedy and see it as an asset, which has caused a great many of the problems today. That has caused the necessity for the government today to step and in and try to bing us back into a era where there must be rules and regulations enacted because the people have lost all sense of right, wrong, inclusion, humanity. That kind of government has only proved to develop people like you who champion a have/have not society. Now that is the doomed one. Take off the blinders. You are advocating a class envy society. People who feel that they are the only ones with entitlement. Also contrary to your beliefs that racism has lost it's slot on the agenda of things necessary! Obviously, you have not been keeping up. In the southern states, racism has either kept its place on the agenda or moved up to the top of the agenda. Like conservatism, someone else must be held back in order for those of entitlement to move ahead. Without this stipulation, those who are ahead will lose their place in a fair and just society. Those who exspouse the "pull youself up by your bootstraps" are not, themselves, able to compete with those who HAVE "pulled themselves up by their bootstraps". The government has helped to create ideals such as yours and so the government has to be the one to step in and undo the injustice that was done. Believe in yourself. Know that you can succeed and help others succeed as well. Our country has been destroying itself from within, without the help of any outsides forces. The things that you espouse are the values of selfishness. You must learn that you have to open your hand to give as well as to recieve. Things your parents should have taught you in childhood. Greed, my friend, is one of the 7 deadly sins.
  • twg · 1 month ago
    You gathered all that straight up out of the Marx/Engels manifesto dint you? It's good that you get that out in the open for discussion. If you and the Administration keep a plurality convinced of the merits of socialism, then who are we other citizens to stand in the way? I think that will be increasing more difficult. Socialist->Communist utopia's have always resulted in death, bloodshed, and authoritarianism. In those systems you are a leader, follower or dead regardless of the rhetorical underpinnings. With exceptions, it doesn't work that way in today's America even though you feel greed consumes our society. What you espouse is someone/something having ultimate physical control over each of us, especially if we won't act "responsibly".

    My folks did as good a job as they could raising me, LOL. Maybe with a little state direction they could have done better, no? I don't know any of your family, so I can't really judge much about them other than you espouse socialist beliefs.

    An apt quote for you: "How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin." R. Reagan LOL
  • khrish · 1 month ago
    Unfortunely, or fortunately, I garnered all that from living a pretty long and rewarding life here in America and from trying to be the best person that I can according to something you conservatives are know for, from the bible. The only people who seem to constantly read and dissect Marx, Hitler and all the others are the very people who espouse the things that you do and who secretly hold great admiration for these people. It didn't take any of these people to teach me anything. My dear parents taught me , even as they endured the degredations of segregation and its brutal treatments in a country that I love and a place that I call home. There is absolutly nothing that any of the people that you have named could have done to some people in this country that was worse than slavery and the practice of Jim Crow. I have no need to call up ghosts from other nations to create scare tactics used by those continents away. I have only to look within my own country to develop my character of what is right and wrong and how to care about my countrymen. I've never had the need to put others down to lift myself up. What is so sad is that you and your ilk haven't spent enough time studying American History and learning the lessons that it should have taught you. you must be a terribly unhappy person and I do hope that you will find peace in your life one day. I think the time has come for us to put this conversation to rest as we have reached to point to agree to disagree. Nice chating with you.
  • twg · 1 month ago
    "I've never had the need to put others down to lift myself up."

    But alas, you do. It's today's politics. It's the politics of race which you try to use to your advantage. My upbringing may have nothing to do with my political stand, but you would impugn both for your political purposes. If you personally knew me or my family then I could accept you criticism at face value....but it might as well be "your mama so ugly..." next. Adieu
  • francislholland · 1 month ago
  • CPL · 1 month ago
    Not only is he running for Governor, he's also a Blue Dog and major recruiter of African-American Blue Dog candidates for the House.

    I told y'all Artur had other plans and would vote accordingly. The CBC Monitor has had him in their sights as the worst offender to his Black Constituents since Harold Ford, Jr.
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    I remember his report card grades well, CPL.
  • case123 · 1 month ago
    Wouldn't have made since to mention that his prime goal is running for Gov. of Alabama? If he weren't he would have likely voted for it. Artur was excellent asset to the Obama team early, but he has distanced himself as of late to further his political aims. - I'm not sure is vote really helps him though, they are still going to call him a liberal so why bother with the triangulation.
  • francislholland · 1 month ago
    Rep. Artur Davis Votes Against ObamaCare, for his Own 2010 Alabama Gubernatorial Hopes

    http://francislholland.blogspot.com/2009/11/con...
  • khrish · 1 month ago
    It never ceases to amaze me how women are so willing to yap about abortion moneys for poor women or women period when it comes to abortion rights. I have never heard the decisions of men's rights put before the public for a vote. Not one single man has asked the nation how they feel about Viagra or any of the other things they went to work on the treat men for any things they see as a problem. They never asked senior women what they felt about extending the sexual prowness of men. Women, like many minorities, are their own worse enemy. Please inform me of one thing having to do with sexual reproduction of men that has ever been offered up to the nation for a vote.
  • elisabeth1518 · 1 month ago
    Here's his statement:

    "I am a supporter of health care reform who believes that the House leadership's approach is not the best we can do. Because we risk a disaster if we get this wrong, I have voted no on the House legislation and continue to root for a final bill that fixes the holes in our health care system and contains soaring costs in both the private and public sectors.

    While the Senate Finance Committee bill needs work, there are three reasons it comes closer to achieving the real reform we need. First, the Senate bill tries to roll back some of the aggressive government subsidization of the private health care industry, a trend that has made that industry much too bloated and inefficient. The Senate bill would take the savings and use them to pay for many of the reforms in the package. Second, while there is no ideal way to raise new revenues, the Senate's proposed excise tax on insurance companies is the best of the imperfect options. It will help rein in the profit spiral in the insurance industry. Finally, while the Senate does not mandate that companies insure their workers, their bill would make companies share with the government the cost of subsidizing any of their workforce that is uninsured. In contrast, the House bill sets a mandate on businesses, but allows larger companies to walk away from it by paying a limited penalty: this will surely drive some companies to drop coverage they already provide.

    These are all factors that should make even my more liberal constituents cautious about the virtues of the House bill. By the way, its much discussed public option will actually cost more than most private insurance plans. It is also estimated by the Congressional Budget Office that fewer than 2% of Americans would end up in the public option."

    http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=11466784
  • mon_dieu_ishmael · 1 month ago
    Clear, reasoned thinking. GOOD MAN.
  • elisabeth1518 · 1 month ago
    By the way, he's also running for governor, FWIW.
  • AxelFoley · 1 month ago
    I thought he was the one running for governor of Alabama.

    That answers my question on why he voted no.
  • Guns3000 · 1 month ago
    Thanks, elisabeth. Those reasons sound reasonable. Even though I think the bill is better than the status quo.
  • Guns3000 · 1 month ago
    Edit: Wrong thread
  • derek arnold · 1 month ago
    He has some legitimate arguments. I can't be mad at him. I don't like that the House is rushing this through. But, if you harken back to Government class, the House is meant to pass things quickly. Most of the more nuanced debate happens in the Senate.
  • TiredOfThePhonies · 1 month ago
    How in the h cay anthing that has been more that forty years in the making be rushed throught.

    Do you live in an alternate reality?
  • Guns3000 · 1 month ago
    Before every negro in the Democratic Party starts to bash him. Please someone post a link with his explanation.(I haven't heard it but I'm interested to hear it.)
  • TiredOfThePhonies · 1 month ago
    White votes.
  • CraigHickman · 1 month ago
    Why did he vote against it? Was it not comprehensive enough? Was he not interested in the mandates/giveaways to private insurance or the giveaways to the pharmaceuticals? Did he not want to support the assault of the reproductive rights of poor women included in the final bill?

    From my perspective, there were lots of reasons to vote against this bill.
  • Val · 1 month ago
    Wasn't sure if you were jesting or not but wanted to make clear that there is no assault against reproductive rights for women in the bill. The bill upholds current abortion legislation under the Hyde Amendment which states that Federal dollars can be obtained for abortions in the case of incest, rape or a health issue of the mother otherwise, if the decision to have an abortion is not based on any criteria listed above (i.e. elected abortion) then they should pay out of pocket for the cost of care. I agree with that 100%.
  • elisabeth1518 · 1 month ago
    Except the Stupak Amendment also says that private insurers who participate in the exchange cannot cover abortion services.
  • Plantsmantx · 1 month ago
    As I understand it, the Stupak amendment prohibits insurance plans on the exchance from covering abortion services. That means that a woman who buys an insurance plan from a private company on the exchange, but is not receiving a government sudsidy to help pay the premiums, won't be able to get an abortion covered by her plan, even though she is paying the whole premium out of her own pocket.
  • CraigHickman · 1 month ago
    The bill goes beyond the Hyde Amendment. The Hyde Amendment only covers appropriations to the budget for Health and Human Services. Currently, if a hospital receives federal funds, it can still perform abortions on women who seek one, even if it's paid for by a private carrier.

    We've entered slippery slope territory with the new amendment attached to this bill. Because it expands the playing field, who's to say the same hospital I list above will be disqualified for federal funding because it performs abortions paid by private insurance or out of pocket?

    If I'm wrong on this, so be it. But I still would like to know why he voted against it.
  • twg · 1 month ago
    From an average Alabama voter point of view he voted against it because:
    1) He's running for governor, and it's a conservative state
    2) He's running for governor
    3) He's running for governor
    4) His vote wasn't needed, although he had come out against it long ago.

    Past that, please note this out of the congressman's own mouth "By the way, its much discussed public option will actually cost more than most private insurance plans." Maybe, just maybe he is showing some common sense.......or it could just be posturing for the governorship. We'll see.
  • TiredOfThePhonies · 1 month ago
    He is pimping himself hoping to get the white vote in Alabama when he runs for gov.

    WILL NOT HAPPEN IN OUR LIFETIME.
  • twg · 1 month ago
    I would prob. be stereotyped as an vote against Davis, but I think many of the reactionaries here are wrong. Alabama is beset by many problems, and active racism is not high on the list here now......regardless of youall's stereotypical view. Even though there is a (R) governor now, the local "machines", the state legislature and more are controlled by corrupt (even by JJP D-friendly standard) Democratic hacks. Only a few counties have home rule, and Jefferson the largest, is politically, morally and financially bankrupt and corrupt.

    If I believe that even some of his more conservative positions were forthright, I would consider voting for him. We'll see. The field so far (D) or (R) is not looking too promising. Other than Davis. I don't think I'm alone, caucasian or not.
  • francislholland · 1 month ago
    I'm glad this is so obvious to so many people. I didn't know he was running for governor. I took one look at his website and understood why he voted as he did. His constituents are now the 71% white State of Alabama rather than the 61.7% Black 7th District to which he was elected.
  • abe7chgo · 1 month ago
    Is he making perfect the enemy of good? As imperfect as the bill might be for his current or future constituents, doesn't it offer much more than what we currently have? Cost arguments against the bill fail on me since health cost are spiraling higher without reform. At some point he has to reason that a chance like this may never happen again. His district is desperate for relief.
  • Guns3000 · 1 month ago
    Star NFL Running Back Released After Gay Slurs, Comments on Coach

    Monday, November 09, 2009

    Kansas City Chiefs running back Larry Johnson was suspended last month after criticizing team officials and posting two homosexual slurs online.

    KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Larry Johnson's record-breaking career as a Kansas City running back is over.

    The Chiefs confirmed Monday that they had run out of patience with his off-the-field problems and released Johnson the day he was due to come back from his second suspension in a year.

    Johnson, who turns 30 on Nov. 19, was just 75 yards away from breaking Priest Holmes' team rushing record.

    The decision by the Chiefs (1-7) was not a surprise.

    "A part of him is excited and a part of him is very regretful," Johnson's agent, Peter Schaffer, told The Associated Press. "There's a lot of feelings going on right now. It's analogous to breaking up with a girlfriend. Maybe you saw it coming, but it still hurts when it happens."

    A No. 1 draft choice out of Penn State in 2003, Johnson was one of the best running backs in the NFL in 2005 and 2006, rushing for more than 1,700 yards in each of those Pro Bowl seasons.

    But often angry and sullen, he was dogged by controversy and frequently at odds with coaches and fans. On Oct. 25, in what turned out to be his final episode with the Chiefs, he posted on his Twitter account several insults to fans, questioned coach Todd Haley's credentials and used a gay slur.

    He repeated the slur the next day to reporters and was suspended for two weeks. At Schaffer's urging, the Chiefs cut the financial penalty in half, saving him about $315,000.

    Johnson was the subject of an online petition last week calling on the Chiefs not to let him break the team rushing record. He was never a fan favorite and his apology for the online comments came almost exactly one year after issuing a similar apology for alleged incidents involving women in Kansas City night clubs.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573225,00.html
  • Guns3000 · 1 month ago
    These brothas need to understand once they stop producing on the field they are worthless to these people and they are not going to be able to get away things like they could at the height of their careers.
  • AxelFoley · 1 month ago
    Basically.
  • RobM · 1 month ago
    Many many things

    Given the vote was 220 to 215 w/ 32 white Democrats running from it. Davis is insignificant. There are 258 D members 6 are delgates and can't vote. That means that 33 didn't vote for the healthcare bill of 13%. The CBC consists of 41 members in the House(not coounting the non voting reps) which means 2.3% didn't vote for the bill.

    This shouldn't even be a post given his reasons were the same as many other D's running for state wide office w/ the sinecure of the House awaiting them should they fail and whom were given a pass.

    I'd like everybody to take a look at this video. it encapsulates the problem w/ healthcare. They are multiple; ideology, what is healthcare, what is reform w/in healthcare-insurance to pay for it, who pays if you don't have it, what role does technology play, what does each service cost.

    The reason I think we are twisted up in knots is that we never went in w/ a multi tiered concept of what it meant. We never got everyone on the same page. For me it was to get everyone health insurance to pay for preventive care and it's associated issues. I am not even sure now I can flesh out what that means.

    For a start it meant a doctors visit once a year to check for the most obvious issues and remember this is going to change or sex and age; vaccincations, checks for prostate cancer, drawing blood to check for the diseases it can eveal, breast cancer, diabetes, diabetes, high blood pressure and the ability to get surgery for the accidents of life-broken bones, tetanus shots, slicing you hand open in the kitchen and burns. This probably doesn't even cover the things a doctor would like in an ideal world or what they would except as a minimum.

    As a result the attacks against the bill focus not just on whose ox is gored but what it is supposed to do. You may want to argue presenting a clear goal wasn't politically feasible. To me without it you could never and have never rallied everyone to what healthcare reform is "FOR"; i.e. how does it benefit everyone immediately and in the future.

    As a result you can have arguments like socialized medicine means you can't have dialysis if you are over 60(steve forbes in the video) when the real issue is if we catch a kidney or related disease that effects ones kidneys doesn't that give us a way to provide dialysis for the FEW that need it. You can't have a discussion about how insurance works period. Then the discussion of how insurance works when it comes to healthcare.

    So I am still waiting to see what we receive. I am not optimistic because I just can't accept that this was the best we could do. I don't think we'll get the public option in any form that sets a national minimum standard and that's the issue that has to be resoved to solve all the other issues.
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    AFTERNOON OPEN THREAD IS UP
  • thoughtmerchant · 1 month ago
    http://thoughtmerchant.net/2009/11/09/the-scam-...

    THE SCAM OF HEALTH CARE REFORM: http://thoughtmerchant.net/2009/11/09/the-scam-...

    Artur Davis might be smarter than we give him credit for. Check the blog post above.
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    but thoughtmerchant, he wouldn't reply with your line of thinking as to why he voted against it.
  • PTCruiser · 1 month ago
    I wonder where are all of the aspirational pragmatists who post here to defend Rep. Davis' vote? After all, he wants to be governor of Alabama.
  • twg · 1 month ago
    They are too entangled in their campaign for equality, aka redistribution.
  • PTCruiser · 1 month ago
    I don't think so. In fact, I think you need to step out of this particular discussion because your response only causes me to defend the very people I want to criticize.
  • twg · 1 month ago
    Yeah, that was a bit snarky......but falling out of lockstep on the march to utopia causes wailing and gnashing of teeth for sure.
  • PTCruiser · 1 month ago
    You still need to step out of this particular discussion. I'm not on your side and you don't agree with me at all.
  • chris_i_am · 1 month ago
    @TiredOfThePhonies ...LMAO!