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Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

rikyrah — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:19:00 -0000

craig,

I know I've said it before, but the Mrs. Nixon line never fails to make me crack up. The accuracy of it is so brutal.

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Ms.Martin — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:08:00 -0000

Earlier I wrote everything else is an allusion - so angry can't spell - I meant illusion

B-Serious

I didn't mean MSM helps you, but that it has been helping HRC.

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

TruthSeeker — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:01:00 -0000

b-serious,

excellent post!

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Ms.Martin — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:55:00 -0000

It took Reagan to bring up the fact that race played a large role in the way working-class (whites) voted for Hillary.

He also suggested that Obama needs to find a way to reach out to them.

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Ms.Martin — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:52:00 -0000

B-Serious

I agree with that entire scenario except I didn't read where the MSM helps you enormously.

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Angela — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:46:00 -0000

This party will NOT come together in the end, regardless of what Hilary and Obama say.

The divisions are in to stay.

End of story.

I hope the Deans, Braziles, Edwards people are reading this blog and get a big clue.

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

TruthSeeker — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:46:00 -0000

@ lele

Hillary supporters often mock Obama supporters for drinking kool-aid. But, I think it is the Hillary supporters who are enmeshed in her web of deception. It DOES matter how you win. African Americans feel so strongly about the race baiting...it goes to the core of who they are. And, they know what the Clinton's do to people they believe have crossed them. Bill Clinton is seething with rage over this. Under these circumstances - for African Americans, another candidate/party will be more attractive than Hillary Clinton.

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Felicia — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:46:00 -0000

We just might have a Republicanin the whitehouse, because I'll be damned before I vote for Hillary Clinton.

Ditto...

At least McSame isn't threatening to bomb Iran if they attack Israel. Why isn't anybody asking about that? Hillary's more hawkish that McSame and Bush.

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Anonymous — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:41:00 -0000

"Look, we'll all Democrats. "

Isn't it funny how Hillary supporters want to be all kumbyyah when things go their way? But when things don't go their way, they forget that "we're all democrats" and use GOP tactics against other GOP.

-- Sepia

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Angela — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:39:00 -0000

this is getting to be so depressing.

Obama has forces against him very few people could overcome.

Even the MSM won't admit he fights an ex popular president 24/7 campaigning for his wife....who supposedly can stand on her own two feet, but, she wouldn't be where she is if she wasn't married to an ex pres.

This whole scenario is totally ridiculous. I keep hearing Pat Buchanan saying Obama "can't close the deal" and now Hillary has picked up on that.

WELLLLLLLLLL....the CLINTONS can't close the deal on this "unknown upstart" either.

The msm never gets it....they always think we are too stupid to get the facts!!!

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

B-Serious — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:37:00 -0000

@ n. mahana and angela,

I'm with you guys. Switch the roles. Imagine this. . .

Hillary Clinton just won 11 straight states by an AVERAGE of 33%. She's outraised her opponent 2 to 1. She's galvanized the electorate. She played by the rules, ran a relatively clean campaign and has created an insurmountable lead. She is poised to be the Democratic nominee.

Only one small problem. Some guy named Barack Obama just won't get out of the way.

This guy, Barack, has no mathematical path to the nomination. Yet he holds his share of the Democratic Party hostage in some twisted attempt to extort a nomination that he hasn't earned.

This guy, Obama, is routinely allowed to make his own rules. He changes the goal posts every chance he gets. Yet, surprisingly, he holds Hillary to unrealistic standards that he, himself, could never reach.

He's so despised by half the country that he doesn't waste time trying to make a positive claim for his own candidacy. Instead he spends the majority of his time trying to raise Hillary's negatives. He talks about every Clinton scandal that ever happened. When asked if he thinks Hillary killed Vince Foster, he replies, "Of course not. . . AS FAR AS I KNOW."

His campaign is in constant disarray. He's already fired three major campaign strategists. He's in debt with a poor reputation for failing to pay outstanding bills - yet he somehow has the audicity to claim that he's ready on day one.

He knows he can't win, so he sends his surrogates out to do his dirty work.

He spreads the idea that Hillary is only where she is because she's a woman; and that any vote she gets is because of (a.) male guilt or (b.) because the country is just too racist to give him a fair shot.

When asked whether or not his acts damage the party he just grins and tells Hillary to toughen up. "If she can't take the heat, she should get out of the kitchen. After all, polls show most men won't vote for a woman, anyway."

He dismisses every victory she's ever had. He mocks her message. And he ridicules her supporters as needy, victim-card carrying, enablers with a diva complex.

Amazingly, however, he makes time to compliment the Republican nominee at her expense and proceeds to join forces with the RNC and Fox News to parrot every negative right-wing smear associated with her campaign. When he's challenged on it, he shrugs his shoulders and says, "Well the Republicans were gonna say it anyways."

Are you tellin' me that Hillary's supporters would just smile, kiss and make up after all of this. Give me a break.

I have NO loyalty to the Clintons. And, since her latest "let's nuke Iran" comments from last weeks debate, I'm convinced that she's just as much a hawk as McCain. No thank you. If I wanted a Republican, I'd vote for one.

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Angela — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:24:00 -0000

Craig;

my message from you is you believe the Clintons victory tonight is short lived?

I hear the party leaders saying that we will all come together in the end. I say "not." I will NEVER vote for Hillary Clinton.

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

TruthSeeker — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:22:00 -0000

Craig,

you are correct, however a future victory will be a demonstrative and moral one. It will say, that the evil the Clinton's represent will not prevail. They embody everything that is destroying America. This is really an apocalyptic battle where what is at stake is America's soul. That moral victory will be the dogwhistle to everyone who understands subconsciously what this battle is truly about.

Bill Clinton is a foul human being. He has been accused of rape and has sexually harassed a young woman in his employ. He was - while Governor of Arkansas at the center of a tainted blood scandal that infected tens of thousands with HIV and Hep-C in Canada and other countries. It is often thought, that his wife Hillary is a passive, innocent victim of his excess; however, my intuition has always made me feel that she is more puppet-master than victim. They remind me of dysfunctional couples who cooperate to commit crimes...

I'm sort of into microexpressions and reading faces, something about her face and eyes - even her childhood pictures - make me think of Karla Homolka.

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

LeLe Hill — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:19:00 -0000

@n. mahana,
Sorry to hear that you feel that way.

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Ms.Martin — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:14:00 -0000

We just might have a Republicanin the whitehouse, because I'll be damned before I vote for Hillary Clinton.

I am black and I am offended not only by her treatment of blacks but but the attitude that she can look down on Barack Obama, blow a whistle for bigots and racists to come join her.

It's just that serious to me. I'm not playing politics as usual and my vote means something to me and I will not give it to a low-class like Hillary.

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Craig Hickman — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:12:00 -0000

angela,

Yes Obama lost. He lost the battle.

But he ran against Mrs. Nixon, Mrs. Nixon's victimhood, President Clinton, the PA Democratic party machine, Ed Rendell, Michael Nutter, John McCain, ABC, Fox, CNN and MSNBC, and his own foot-in-mouth and lackluster debate performance.

And he only lost by 10 points after being behind 26 points right after the Wright videos looped.

One doesn't need to be a politician to spin that as a a big step toward victory in the war.

I'm not afraid of what happens from here on out.

The NC Republicans are about to start a racial ad campaign against Obama in NC starting tomorrow. The Willie Horton ad maker is about to air racial ads in NC starting tomorrow.

Clinton is going to keep running her Kitchen ad.

Obama will win the war.

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Ms.Martin — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:11:00 -0000

Truthseeker

I agreed that he is good and I constantly pray for him and the country.

I just don't see how he can change the hearts of people who are encouraged to hate him because he is black.

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

N. Mahana — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:08:00 -0000

@lele

I've put in my time for the DNC already with voting against people out of fear of having a Republican in office and frankly I'm done.

I don't have to explain myself to you or anyone, but I'm doing it out of courtesy...

I'm voting my conscience this time. Simple as that. McCain may win, but so will my integrity. I will not vote for a candidate or something I do not believe in. We have a broken political system in this country. It is a two-party system that represents no one but itself.

In my opinion we are all sweatshop workers working in the factory of the political machine that run this country.

We need someone with young fresh eyes. Someone that believes they really can change this country for the better to benefit all not just a few.

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Angela — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:04:00 -0000

Craig..

thanks for your info.

how that will equate to an Obama party nominee win.

It looks to me that the Clinton cabal is stacking the deck against Obama, big time.

I feel like I am actually seeing first hand the "Truman show." every breath of Obama is covered and analyzed like no other candidate...any obstacle to subvert his goals are already in place by big money obstacles from the Clinton party to the Republican party.

It is incredible!!!

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

TruthSeeker — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:00:00 -0000

Ms.martin,

I think he should take a few days off and go somewhere quiet by himself. He should pray, meditate..go deep inside back to his center. I believe that at his core he is a good man; but, this process has taken something away from him - as it would from any good man. This is a spiritual battle as much as it is a delegate one. Hillary Clinton has a core of evil, and striving, work and effort will not neutralize her...only a polarity of "good" will.

I really can't say exactly what that "good" will look like...but I think if Barack goes within himself he will find it.

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Craig Hickman — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:55:00 -0000

I would just like to remind people that despite the media, the only working class white votes in battleground states Barack has lost in any big way have come in Ohio and Pennsylvania.

He won them in Wisconsin and Virgina, both battleground states in 2008.

The votes he's getting among black people and higher income white people makes up for those lost votes.

The blue collar white ethnic vote isn't the vote he needs to win the general election against John McCain.

That's media bullshit and I reject and denounce it.

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

LeLe Hill — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:50:00 -0000

@n. mahana,

If all Hill supporters took that attitude ("my candidate or anyone but Obama") then we'll have another Republican in the White House. That's a guarantee.

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

N. Mahana — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:48:00 -0000

b-serious...holla! I cosign to everything you stated.

Felicia...yes and I've had this little exchange with some Hillary supporter's before. One went so far as to make a statement along the line of "we (as in blacks) owe it to the Clintons!"

Yessum Massah! I's gettin to it!

Absolutely contemptible attitude

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Felicia — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:43:00 -0000

We're all Democrats...? Um no...speak for yourself.

I agree. I just love how Hillary supporters think Obama supporters will fall in line if she steals it. After all the crap she and Bill have pulled? I don't think so.

Re: Daily Open Thread – It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

RhondaCoca — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:42:00 -0000

"He lost today....bottom line."

Duh