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http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/bookman/entries/2008/05/15/obamas_success_suggests_we_can.html
Obama's Success Suggests We Can Transcend Race.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1806811,00.html
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" is the famous Hamlet quote referring to pleas of innocence that actually indicate guilt. Did Obama, the near-certain Democratic Party nominee for president, "protest too much" in complaining about Bush's speech to Israel's Knesset on Thursday?
According to the senator, "George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the president's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel."
Judging from the standing ovations the president received, our Israeli allies — who have the most to fear from a nuclear Iran — disagree. Moreover, Kennedy's blockade of Cuba, Nixon's Vietnamization (reneged on by the post-Watergate Democratic Congress) and Reagan's years of defense buildup and "evil empire" saber-rattling before agreeing to a Soviet summit all belie Obama's invocation of those presidents.
Furthermore, the terrorists themselves know a President Obama will engage with them. The chief political adviser to Hamas' Gaza leader Ismail Haniyeh is on record as saying, "We like Mr. Obama, and we hope he will win the election."
Earlier this month, Obama described the takeover of West Beirut by Hezbollah gunmen as a "power grab" and declared, "It's time to engage in diplomatic efforts to help build a new Lebanese consensus."
Letters found on the seized computer of Raul Reyes, the warlord with Colombia's Marxist-Leninist FARC terrorist group who was killed in an army strike in March, happily reported that "two gringos" he met assured him that Obama would win the election.
"Lord, if I could only have talked to Mahmoud" will be words of little comfort to future victims of nuclear terrorism
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/15/AR2008051504058.html
It's Onion-parody level odd to see Palestinians in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip organizing phone banks on behalf of Obama.
Perhaps all of this is because Barack Obama, alone among recent American presidential candidates, pledged at the YouTube debate to hold face-to-face summits with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
If you think of Hamas as bad guys — then you're left wondering why the bad guys, whose loathing of the current president is clear (and a point of pride), are so eager to see President Obama.
The press does not like this question, does not like this issue, cannot understand why anyone would care, and will do everything they can to declare it an illegitimate issue.
The American people may disagree.
You want to use HTML tagging. For instance, the URL you pasted: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,917... be tagged with ; the actual title; and after the title.
Just google "HTML tags" and you'll be fine.
"To many Americans, it's really odd..."
Fvck "many Americans"... and your politics of convenience. "Many Americans" don't vet every candidate on that standard. Look at Bush and all his relationships and connections, personal or family-wise.
The American people may disagree.
Who are "THE" American people, Anon?
You're obviously have some Clinton-Bush issues.
For a link:
Put a (anchor) in the along with href="URL" then put the title inside the two brackets >NAMEOFARTICLE< then close it with the a-anchor.
Here is an example with the wrong type of brackets:
[a href="URL"]BestDamnArticleEver[/a]
Now that Barack has settled the nomination question, what of those folks who so obligingly carved their names onto the Obama Wiki list?
Bill Sheheen
Andrew Cuomo
Bob Kerrey
Bob Johnson
Andy Young
Harold Ickes
Charlie Rangel
A few of these folks will be seeking elective office. What should their fate be?
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Hamas-or any other terrorist group, rouge state, etc-didn't come out and endorse Bush, though.
In fact, before Obama, has something like this EVER happened?
Anon raises a legitimate point. Why is Hamas so eager for Obama to become president? Is it because they know he will give them a voice?
If that's the case, will Obama's meeting with Hamas turn into propaganda for them? And also, will any benefit of meeting Hamas outweight the effects of doing a policy of not negotiating with terrorists that's stood for some 20 years?
No doubt. I've been thinking of a list myself.
But I'll probably hold off until June. . .I'm confident that Obama's the nominee, but I don't want to jinx him.
For now, I'll try and separate them into three columns: forgive and forget; rehabilitation; and lost causes.
Petroleo Brasileiro SA, Brazil's state-controlled oil company, leased about 80 percent of the world's deepest-drilling offshore rigs to explore prospects including the Western Hemisphere's biggest discovery in decades.
Petrobras, as the Rio de Janeiro-based company is known, is hiring rigs that can drill in at least 3,000 meters (9,800 feet) of water, Chief Executive Officer Jose Sergio Gabrielli said in an interview last week. The world has 21 such vessels, according to Rigzone.com, which tracks the offshore drilling industry.
The company's ``insatiable'' demand is forcing producers including Exxon Mobil Corp. and BP Plc to pay more as they compete for the remaining units, said Kjell Erik Eilertsen and Truls Olsen, analysts at Fearnley Fonds AS in Oslo. Explorers that don't have rigs under contract may delay projects or pay rents of more than $600,000 a day.
Sounds like they're onto something. And maybe we need to be doing more drilling at home? Hell, thanks to Congress we can't even get shale oil going.
Remember,” Davis writes, Hispanic voters are a swing group in this election and future elections. John McCain, being from a border state, may be out of sync with many Republicans but he has standing among Hispanics. Barrack Obama has not made the sale to Hispanic voters. Thus, this issue is a tar baby for anyone who touches it, with land mines everywhere.”
That said, I'm not so sure what the big deal is. Palestinians are people with aspirations just like Iraqis, Swedes, and Americans. If the Palestinian people are rooting for Obama, there is nothing sinister or dangerous in that desire.
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Seems John McCain wasn't also so full of bluster when it came to Hamas and the Palestinian people.
McCain on Hamas in 2006
What caused the flip flop? Political expediency? A Hamas attack against the US since 2006? Losing his bearings?
It's one thing to evolved as a politician and change your views when you get more information. It's another to just do an about-face with no evolution.
I see he also had to fire another campaign staffer who worked for a 527. That's the second in a few weeks. The other had ties to Hezbolleh.
I think the MSM will have to get over its love affair with McCain and start asking him some tough questions.
He makes Mitt Romney look like a man of principle.
But if progress in Middle Eastern peace is going to be made, well, see the McCain YouTube linked above.
I bet Hamas would endorse that version of John McCain as well.
Obama's campaign fired back immediately:
"This is a shameful attempt to attack a woman who has repeatedly said she wouldn't be here without the opportunities and blessings of this nation. The Republican Party's pathetic attempts to use the same smear tactics to win elections have failed in Mississippi, failed in Louisiana, and will fail in November because the American people are looking for a positive vision of real change. And if the Tennessee Republican Party has a problem with Senator Obama, maybe next time they'll have the courage to address him directly instead of attacking his family."
That's what I'm talkin bout.
Thanks for posting that. I had only heard parts of it.
I'm sure the MSM will get over their love affair with McCain, too.
Just around the same time some elements of the MSM get over theirs with Obama.
We'll see which happens first.
We're not talking about an endorsement from the people of Palestine. We're talking about an endorsement from an organization who is on the State Department's list of terrorist organizations.
And if Michelle didn't make comments like that, the TN GOP wouldn't have to go after her. When you open your mouth to make a statement along that line, you'd better be prepared to deal with the criticism that comes with it.
1 hour, 18 minutes ago
The Pacific Northwest is beginning to look like very friendly territory for Barack Obama. Last week, Rasmussen Reports polling showed that Obama had opened a double-digit lead over John McCain in Oregon. Now, Obama has done the same in Washington state (see video report).
Fri May 16, 4:22 AM ET
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In other words, "If you vote for Obama, you will die."
Nice.
But he's politicking. And everybody knows it. Which is why his opponents are trying to smear him as some sort of terrorist appeaser.
Obama will be responding to all this in an address at noon EDT.
He will, therefore, own the next news cycle.
I believe the Clinton campaign has been using the sexism card even before Iowa. I think there was a debate last year where the moderators all piled on Clinton for evading questions, and her trusty road dawg Geraldine Ferraro came out and claimed that they would never pile on Obama like that, and the moderators were sexist.
But if Obama had complained that the moderators at the ABC debate had piled on him because he was black, he would have been roasted up one side and BBQ'd down the other.
Clinton ran a shitty, racist, negative campaign. She and her people did not think ahead. They did not plan properly. They wasted money. This is why she lost, not because of sexism.
They are contemplating Clinton's end game, especially now that former presidential candidate John Edwards, the second-place finisher in Iowa's caucuses, has endorsed Obama. "She needs to go through this in a magnanimous, gracious way," says Kolmer, who when asked if she'll vote for Obama replied: "Hell, yes."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article3941450.ece
Barack is supposed to address Bush's comments live now on the cable news.
We're talking about an endorsement from an organization who is on the State Department's list of terrorist organizations.
Nelson Mandela was on the list, too. So don't you ever come off in here talking about who is on some list.
will Obama's meeting with Hamas turn into propaganda for them?
When has Obama met or indicated he would met with Hamas?
That's right... STFU!!!
You're stuck on stupid just like that S clown. Tell me what kind of stature or propoganda Kim Jong Il got out of Bush diplomatic policy towards N. Korea.
And don't dare invoke the Palestinian people. Hamas are the elected representatives of the Palestinians.
Don't talk to me with rhetoric rife with contradictions.
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Obama's response was basically a "Bring it on" response. He's ready to fight.
Now he's sitting down and talking to rural South Dakotans as if in their living room.
A new tactic.
"Leadership for Rural America" is the theme.
Drag the mouse pointer out past the edge of the tiny window a couple inches, then right click to copy.
But he's politicking. And everybody knows it.
No. That just can't be. Obama can't be the politician who does what politicians do. That or Obama and a whole bunch of folks criticized Rev. Wright (wrongly) for speaking a well known, accepted and much bandied about truth
(...though in all honesty and English, Rev. Wright merely expressed an understanding of how, as a politician, Obama doesn't have the freedom to say what he (Wright) says as a preacher. Obama's nationalized vs. localized audience being but one reason why which Wright implicitly noted.)
So what is your point, D?
Yasser Arafat endorses Kerry
D? Is your real name Kevin James? You must know that I have a tough time dealing with ignorance, particularly questions asked completely out of arrogant ignorance.
Yes, after President Kennedy was assassinated, Fidel Castro issued a statement that he had been planning to endorse Barry Goldwater in 1964, hoping that his endorsement would help Kennedy win.
Speaking of contradictions and ignorance:
The list you're referring to is the "watch list" for suspected terrorists attempting to enter the United States.
However, the list I'm referring to is the State Department's list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations. And, elected representatives or not, Hamas is on that list
Thanks for letting me know about Mandela, though....didn't know that one.
That was me....thanks for that.
http://www.the40yearplan.com/article_032308_Obama_Clinton_Race.php
"My mom is getting her ass kicked by a negro photo"
Wow... Some people just don't know when to stop with the hatred....
GO OBAMA 08!!!
Speaking in S. Dakota
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sOlaso_7Z8&eur;
Obama responds to appeasement remark
Based on what?
Florida and Michigan should not count in any way that would reward the state legislature for breaking the rules.
They should not count in any way that would de-fraud the millions of voters who did not go out to vote, because they were assured it was not a valid election.'
FL & MI should not count in any way that usurps the DNC's authority and makes it impossible for the DNC to enforce the rules in the future.
They should not count in any way that drastically alters the outcome of the Primaries to benefit one candidate over another. Nor should it count in any way that rewards Senator Clinton for breaking her written and verbal agreement that these elections would not count.
So, they require an email address - I faked one. Then when I clicked submit, it took me directly to a fundraising page...LOL. Hillary is a piece of work I tell ya.
I don't know what it is about John Edwards exactly. I know he is infected with the old politics virus and I believe that he thinks Obama is a "pussy". Maybe John has issues with his masculinity. That reptilian brained Anne Coulter seemed to sense it, and proceeded to call him gay.
Barack is in touch with his feminine side. He is always touching. John is not happy with Obama touching him on stage...all those "gay" accusations from Ann swirling in his head. Maybe she got to him.
The Evangelical Swing Vote
You want to tell me the value of some list generated by the US gov't? Was not the ANC on one of them lists?
That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about -- i.e. the lack of credibility and subjectiveness. And to top it off, mix a little HYPOCRISY in the middle.
Notice how you had no comment about our shifted N. Korea stance amongst other substantive issues with your posts/questions.
You asked if this has EVER happened before... I supplied a link. Now your response?
Also, what do you have to say about the elected representatives of the Palestinian people you wanted to mention...
What's up with the whole concept of Guilt By Endorsement Association and exactly what would be wrong with having talks with the ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE?
People still deal with us and we've bombed the fvcked out of untold numbers of INNOCENT IRAQI PEOPLE.
"That said, I'm not so sure what the big deal is. Palestinians are people with aspirations just like Iraqis, Swedes, and Americans. If the Palestinian people are rooting for Obama, there is nothing sinister or dangerous in that desire."
ITA! I think those have a problem with this are those who choose to paint all Palestinians with the Terrorist Brush that the MSM has given to us to use. How sad that some black people, like D., are choosing to racially/ethnically stereotype people of color.
*** Five big turning points: In the latest Atlantic Monthly, Josh Green profiles Obama’s record-breaking fundraising machine.
“[W]henever I think about the quarter billion dollars he has raised so far, the image that leaps to mind is Scrooge McDuck diving joyously into his piles of gold,” he writes.
But in our final installment of the big -- yet underappreciated -- turning points in the Obama-Clinton, we remind you about this: It was Clinton, not Obama, who had the fundraising edge heading into the 2008 contests.
At the end of last year, Clinton had nearly $38 million cash on hand. And although that amount included the $10 million transfer from her Senate campaign account, as well as lots of money that could only be used in the general election, it eclipsed Obama’s $18.6 in the bank.
But once we entered the New Year, the rest was history: Obama went on to raise a million (or more) a day, while Clinton, although still raising plenty of money, ran out of cash and is now more than $20 million in debt.
This turning point -- when Clinton went from money leader to being essentially broke -- can’t be overstated.
And it’s also worth noting that this is the second-straight cycle that the candidate who raised the most money heading into the nominating contests (Howard Dean won that honor in ’03) will probably not be the nominee.
I heard somewhere that Edwards wouldn't be in Kentucky because we will lose and they don't want the MSM all over the Edwards couldn't win Kentucky - I think they plan on using him more for the general.
From everything that I am seeing and hearing from Bush, McCain, Huckabee, the low attacks from the GOP in some states, it is clear to me that they are losing their collective minds.
The age of "republicanism" is finished...they are losing seats in congress. They know that and they are deseperate.
I havent been here in a while. I have been so busy will finals.
Hi everyone!!
I heart Jack Cafferty too. What did he do today to earn it?
yeah, the huckster's comments were definitely WTFish.
After Jeff finished chastising Cafferty for calling Huck an idiot and Wolf was trying to move on, Cafferty interrupted and said Wolf let me say this another way because of a poor choice of words, then Cafferty says "Huckabee is an idiot". LOL
Cafferty repeated his original opinion and Toobin got pissier and Cafferty basically gives him his backside to kiss because Cafferty thinks there is no excuse for what Huckabee said.
Then Lou and Wolf said they agreed with Toobin that Huck is not an idiot for making a little joke.
Wolcott, on Obama’s response to Bush and McCain:
“…he firmly, deftly mummy-wrapped Bush and McCain together and dropped them off at the pier. It’s rather impressive to see a first-term senator chastise the President of the United States and the presumptive nominee of the Republican Party as if he were the headmaster and they the ones guilty of infractions unworthy of upperclassmen. That’s one of the benefits of having an oratorical voice that sounds tall–it automatically adds height to every utterance, allowing them to drop like acorns and make a nice thunk when they bounce off of the nearest thick skull.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080516/ts_alt_afp/usiraqmilitaryprotest
Will he be called a traitor or a hero? Champion or Coward?
Wonder if it would be different if he was black....
"Sen. Obama has said that he will withdraw no matter what the situation is on the ground and no matter what US military commanders advise."
That, "my friends", is Johnnie's Budlight moment. BS like that should only be dignified by: DUDE (rolleyes)
But, since there are legions of Kevin James in the world, I guess the best approach is to come up with snazzy YouTube with "DUDE" mixed in with Johnnie's lie and Obama's stump-line scratched in:
As Careful Getting Out, As We Were Careless Getting In
Funny thing about it, Obama used that line on CNN in the very same segment where he said McCain was "losing his bearing."
Bush should take note, too. In this same segment, Obama answered Wolf Blitzer's question, "What does Israel mean to you?"