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Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

Ms.Martin — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:57:00 -0000

I think the behavior the Clintons are displaying is only about them getting their asses kicked by the "kid".

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

TruthSeeker — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:21:00 -0000

@ Rikyrah,

Yes, Hitchens asks some hard questions about Mother Theresa. I learned growing up that she was a saint..it was accepted wisdom. This documentary offers a different perspective. Hitchens questions Mother Theresa and her relation to the Catholic church. He questions the anti-contraception and abortion ideology pushed by Catholicism in poor nations and it's complicity with murderous dictators. He seems to think Mother Theresa was used by the religious organization to further it's economy of death.

It seems suffering is a kind of economy on which religion is dependent. It seems religious "leaders" have made peace with the economy from which they benefit.

Rev. Wright and his colleagues showed up at the White House breakfast to give Bill a cachet of piety during his impeachment. I do not think a single person brought up the subject of Rwanda or Bosnia while there. Who are these religious leaders, really? Are they beyond reproach?

Hitchens often is sweatily arrogant. If you can overcome this and the ominous, devilish lighting, what he says is thought-provoking:

Hell's Angel p1

Hell's Angel p2

Hell's Angel p3

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

rikyrah — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:40:00 -0000

i could be wrong, but i do see a transition, if not in him, definitely in his public perception. he was untouchable, and now dems are publicly dissing him for his ranting, raving, destructive behavior.

Jack,

You are not wrong. Watching Lou Dobbs tonight, and the woman he had on the panel, she's a right-winger, said this was the campaign that turned Bill Clinton into a caricature. I was like, damn, she's on spot.

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

rikyrah — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:38:00 -0000

Angela,

Hitchens is an athiest. Anything religious is red meat to him. He's too ignorant to even try and understand Jeremiah Wright. But, this is the man, after all, who made his reputation TEARING DOWN MOTHER THERESA.

Yeah, you read right.

PS- There is a good article online at The New Yorker. They sent their music person to write the story about Trinity UCC...now, before you go off, it's actually a pretty decent article. The Brotha (I believe he's Black), actually got the nuances and history behind Black Liberation Theology, and Rev. Wright. It was a very fair piece.

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

Nita — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:26:00 -0000

I'm convinced (in the same way I'm convinced Hillary is on some serious anti-depressants) that that stroke Bill had screwed up his mind.

I have no evidence whatsoever for either. But Bill is not the same man he used to be, slick wise. He is off his game.

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

TruthSeeker — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:51:00 -0000

Re Healthcare

I can't tell how many times I've gotten into arguments with neo-con whackos who think Universal Health care is Socialism or Communism. They lie to Americans and say Canadians have to line up for health care, that it was like 3rd world conditions yada yada..

Canadians pay for Health Care via taxes. We choose our doctors and no money changes hands.

Sicko, did a lot to dispel some of these lies that have been used to keep Americans enslaved. Then, a few weeks ago 60 Minutes did a piece on Remote Area Medical which was eye-opening...as they were doing their charity work in America and there were people who drove from other states just to be seen by a doctor. Here's the YouTube clip for anyone who missed it:

Remote Area Medical on 60 Minutes

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

TruthSeeker — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:38:00 -0000

@ Jack Turner,

The Clinton's have a lot of blood on their hands. Bill was Governor of Arkansas in the 80's and is connected with a blood scandal where tens of thousands of people were infected with HIV & Hep-C here in Canada and several other countries. The blood was drawn from visibly ill prisoners in the Arkansas prison system. While Clinton is not wholly responsible, it's interesting to see his name pop up in the unlikeliness places. It really is a small world after all, isn't it?

here's a site with compilation of news stories over the years:

Clinton's blood

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

TruthSeeker — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:25:00 -0000

@ angela and NMP,

Hitchens is an atheist, so I'm not surprised that he would respond that way to Wright's association with Barack. Hitchens was on Real Time and admitted that he was sort of going "queer" for Obama. He thought he had a great voice and said some very nice things of Obama in comparison to Hillary. In these clips, he explains why he doesn't like the religious aspect. I think he may admire Barack the man while being disappointed in Barack's religious beliefs.

Here's the YouTube clip if anyone's interested. The pertinent section is at the last couple minutes of part 4 and overlaps into the first few minutes of part 5:

Part4

Part5

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

Craig Hickman — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:10:00 -0000

I encourage all of us to dig deeper and find language that does NOT perpetuate and reinforce her claims.

Just as a polite FYI, Clinton and her supporters are using the word "Bitch" on the campaign trail now, reclaiming the word, so to speak, picking up on Tina Fey's "Bitch is the new black" ridiculousness.

"Sometimes, Dolores, being a bitch is the only thing a woman has to hold onto." - Dolores Claibourne

Hillary Rodham Nixon is taking that to another level.

In this connotation, that's not sexist at all. It's real.

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

Craig Hickman — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:29:00 -0000

McCain is lesser of 3 evils.

Only in your dreams.

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:09:00 -0000

clintons and flies, clintons and flies, the more i see clintons, the more i like flies...

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

Jack Turner — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:50:00 -0000

@NMP good catch

allow me to "clarify" my statement.

i never paid as much attention to bill c as i have now. looking back, he was an OK president. Not the hero he's often lauded as. Not evil. He was probably "pretty good."

i do think there's a public transition where he flares up like this in front of dem delegates. of course he's shown a propensity to abandon supporters and throw folks under the bus, but the public red-faced nastiness feels new to me.

i could be wrong, but i do see a transition, if not in him, definitely in his public perception. he was untouchable, and now dems are publicly dissing him for his ranting, raving, destructive behavior.

THAT is a transition. Bill used to clear a room in a good way. I have a feeling it won't be like that after this is all over.

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

Truthiz — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:47:00 -0000

anon wrote:

“Obama will bring scandal and disappointment to be sure,”

Uh-huh...that's what "haters" are hoping for anyway.

“but it will be different scandal and new disappointments. I prefer that over the sniveling Clintons any day. McCain is lesser of 3 evils.”

LOL!_now THAT’S funny!

I trust most Intelligent, sounded-minded folk are on to the “lesser of evils” _bullsh*t thinking.

As if voting for “Evil” in a so-called “lesser” degree will get you anything but “EVIL”_?!

Truthiz, a vote for Hillary is NO different than a vote for George W. McCain.

No thanks. My days of voting for “EVIL” under any circumstance are over!!!

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

Angela — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:45:00 -0000

thanks nmp, I'll take a look. Seems Hitchens must be working for a McCain win.

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

NMP — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:32:00 -0000

Angela,

Hitchens wrote a column last week trashing Senator Obama and Reverend Wright, adding to the collective chorus that Reverend Wright was preaching hate speech for 20 years and that Senator Obama either ignored it or secretly embraced it.

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

NMP — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:30:00 -0000

"I've written previously about this sad transition,..."

With all DUE respect, Jack, what transition? This is the same Bill Clinton who had his long-time mentor and friend, William Fulbright, a life-long segregationist, practically chained to his hip when he ran for President and subsequently honored with a presidential metal of freedom. The same Bill Clinton who posed in front of a Black chain gang for southern newspapers. The same Bill Clinton who raced back to Arkansas to oversee the execution of a mentally retarded Black man.

Why are you surprised by his current campaign tactics? Bill Clinton hasn't changed. Black folks were just blinded to reality.

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

Craig Hickman — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:17:00 -0000

BREAKING:
Wyoming Governor and former Clintonite endorses Barack Obama.

Another superdelegate goes on record for Obama.

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

John Shreffler — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:59:00 -0000

Expect this shit to get more intense from the Clintons. They're in a death spiral: sinking polls, no dough, no traction from all their racist campaign tricks, yadda, yadda. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

Angela — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:15:00 -0000

This is amazing. I haven't read Hitchen's whole article yet, but, I will later. I just found this piece at disembedded.wordpress.com.

More fodder for the Republican attacks against Hillary in the general election. Everyone needs to read this and just think of what he says Hillary is responsible for.

"New Scathing Report Claims Hillary’s Bosnia Lies Go Much Deeper

April 1, 2008 — disembedded

Christopher Hitchens has published a momentous, scathing account of Hillary Clinton’s deceitful story about her 1996 trip to Bosnia. It goes much deeper than just her lying about the visit. Hitchens reveals that in 1992, Bill Clinton had promised to fight against the genocide that was occurring in Bosnia. Hitchens then asks, “What had happened to the 1992 promise, four years earlier, that genocide in Bosnia would be opposed by a Clinton administration?” It was never kept. Further, according to Hitchens, “The key factor in Bill’s policy reversal was Hillary, who was said to have ‘deep misgivings’ and viewed the situation as ‘a Vietnam that would compromise health-care reform.’ The United States took no further action in Bosnia, and the ethnic cleansing by the Serbs was to continue for four more years, resulting in the deaths of more than 250,000 people.” Hitchens concludes his commentary with these searing comments:

“It’s hardly necessary for me to point out that the United States did not receive national health care in return for its acquiescence in the murder of tens of thousands of European civilians. But perhaps that is the least of it. Were I to be asked if Sen. Clinton has ever lost any sleep over those heaps of casualties, I have the distinct feeling that I could guess the answer. She has no tears for anyone but herself. In the end, and over her strenuous objections, the United States and its allies did rescue our honor and did put an end to Slobodan Milosevic and his state-supported terrorism. Yet instead of preserving a polite reticence about this, or at least an appropriate reserve, Sen. Clinton now has the obscene urge to claim the raped and slaughtered people of Bosnia as if their misery and death were somehow to be credited to her account! Words begin to fail one at this point. Is there no such thing as shame? Is there no decency at last? Let the memory of the truth, and the exposure of the lie, at least make us resolve that no Clinton ever sees the inside of the White House again.”

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

andyfrombrooklyn — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:15:00 -0000

dear jack and jill, angela nails it. obama is fighting the clinton machine, the media, and the repukes all by himself. and is winning. yes i know joe and everyone else always knew he would win big with the blacks in maine, vermont, minnesota, iowa, wisconsin, colorado, north dakota, wyoming, kansas, washington, idaho. he goes and bowls in the middle of hostile white pa. and they attack him in the media for being girlie. bet it was fun to be in middle school with hillary and joe scarbutt. aaargghhhh! obama is a freAKIN SAINT!!!

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

evita — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:57:00 -0000

"Stop yer bitchin"?

I know that Hillary Clinton has done a lot to undermine the importance of naming sexism. True Obama has not played any race card and Clinton has played the whole deck... Still I have to say it is distasteful to use language that undermines WOMEN (yes, she's one woman.) There are millions others, like me, who are downright disrespected when we toss around sexist language like BITCH. I know its a common term, but it is STILL one that perpetuates an attitude about women, and among others words, reinforces real sexism in our country.

I encourage all of us to dig deeper and find language that does NOT perpetuate and reinforce her claims.

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

Angela — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:56:00 -0000

One of the things that really gets me is the media doesn't point out that Obama is out there fighting this fight on his own and leading. He's nearly done what no one thought at all possible.

Hillary has huge advantages in that her name recognition is already established and is married to an ex President who helps her everyday on the campaign trail.

Yet people like Joe Scarborough keeps saying that Obama needs to win something he isn't expected to win. Everything he has won he wasn't expected to win from day one!!!! Scarborough could just as well say Clinton should stop losing those huge point spreads she starts out with.

Time to send another message.

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:50:00 -0000

Hillary still hasn't clearly articulated what role Bill would play in her White House. How do we get pressure back on THAT subject?

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:35:00 -0000

The more I see of Bill Clinton and his whining, face turning beet red with anger about this race, the more he reminds me of WC Fields, only not as funny or articulate. He and his wife are just pitiful now, they both need Jesus and maybe a psychiatrist to help them with their anger management issues since the mud slinging and race baiting has not helped her get what she feels was hers and hers alone.

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

Angela — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:16:00 -0000

Wow, this is great news. I just checked Real Clear politics and they have the PA polls now favoring Clinton down to an average of 6 pts.

One pollster actually has Obama up by 2 pts over Clinton in PA.

Lets hope this trend keeps going this way!

Poll Date Sample Clinton Obama Spread

RCP Average 03/24 - 04/01 - 48.3 42.3 Clinton +6.0

PPP (D) 03/31 - 04/01 1224 LV 43 45 Obama +2.0

Rasmussen 03/31 - 03/31 730 LV 47 42 Clinton +5.0

SurveyUSA 03/29 - 03/31 588 LV 53 41 Clinton +12.0

Quinnipiac 03/24 - 03/31 1549 LV 50 41 Clinton +9.0