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Don't raise your blood pressure prematurely.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:05:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "rorysmomma", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474252, "depth": 8, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4489731": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Please tell me where these white Liberals, like Taylor Marsh, a die-hard Clinton supporter, were when Billy Graham was sleeping in the Clinton White House (when Monica wasn't around)?<br><br>No  matter how many ways PEO said during the campaign he had no desire or intention of being the President of Liberal America, they just don't get.  He made it clear, at least to me, that he would reach out to traditional adversarial groups in an effort to reach a consensus on many matters, not all, but many.  <br><br>Rick Warren is on the wrong side of gay marriage, but on the right side of talking about AIDS prevention and treatment in the church.  It's not ideal, but it's a start.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_16:50:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "4fd3ca416b455e03c3fa02c8bc744eb4", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4485664, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473350": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I know that's right!!!<br><br>Geez,!!<br><br>Those posts from dcgatn are WHACKED!!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:52:51", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473186, "depth": 7, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4485128": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Monie,<br><br>Bless you & your family!  Where do you find the strength? May God send his ministering spirits to protect & guide you!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_13:20:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4476524, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4486153": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "As a Jew, the closest analogy I can come up with is if an anti-Semite, who had just helped pass laws stripping Jews of their rights, was invited to play a major role in President Obama's inauguration -- and when people protested, they were told that the desire to be inclusive meant that the new administration welcomed anti-Semites. <br><br>Do you think a marching band and Reverend Lowery would be enough to placate people in this situation? <br><br>If not, why do LGBT's get less consideration?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_14:07:41", "killed": false, "user_key": "JonPincus", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 45, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472842": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hell NO. Obama is just about ready to get his black card revoked!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:22:34", "killed": false, "user_key": "Mythe", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473175": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I FEEL MUCH BETTER NOW having read this:<br><br>In honoring the civil rights movement, Mr. Obama has asked the Rev. Dr. Joseph E. Lowery, dean of the civil rights movement and co-founder with the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, to deliver the benediction.<br><br><a href=\"http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/17/aretha-franklin-to-participate-in-inaugural-ceremony/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/17/a...</a><br><br>So, he's asking Warren to deliver the invocation, but getting Lowery to pray the benediction.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:40:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4489741": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I am going to ask a favor of anyone reading this part of the discussion and seeking to argue with whiterosebuddy on these issues. I am going to ask that anyone reading and thinking to comment on wrb's arguments here please consider not getting into a discussion on this here in this thread.<br><br>I just mentioned this to Jon, above, and decided to say it here as well. My reply to Jon above -- <a href=\"http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/12/should-the-purpose-driven-preacher-pray-over-the-potus/?disqus_reply=4489530#comment-4489530\" rel=\"nofollow\">HERE</a> -- gives an overview of my own experiences and some links to where I ended up in my own understanding in that discussion.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_16:50:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ec3c0272b87ba5c8ce3a9168cf4e78a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4488513, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4488207": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "We will see your issues when you choose to see ours.  As long as it's thought that you can be gay and a bigot, you may not find much sympathy among people of color.<br><br>Blaming people of color for Prop.8's passage didn't help your case with us AT ALL.<br><br>People of Color, most notably BLACK PEOPLE - we do the heavy lifting, and everyone else wants to ride on the coattails while we continue to get denied.<br><br>I screamed the loudest about that proposition passing in California, but tell the truth; the organizers did a piss-poor job of outreach, and just assumed because you're in the Golden State that all of California is a liberal hotbed, when the reality is, that proposition got passed by the Saltines in the South land - because most of Northern Cal voted against it.<br><br>Trust me, since it sounds like you don't visit here much, I'll put it for you: if Obama invites anti-Semites to play a role in his inauguration, you will see a post from me calling him out on that shyt, too.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_15:50:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "CPL", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 14, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4486153, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4532752": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "wrb, you are <b>lying.</b> And you may not realize who/what you are in a conversation with right now, wrb, when it comes to lying, because you are so obsessed with who I am attracted to or not that you are blinded to anything else.)<br><br>But you know, wrb: You are <b>lying</b> and I will not let your lies go by without comment.<br><br>You just wrote: <i>Nor did I write about sex in terms of access to drugs, alcohol or ice cream. </i><br><br>You may have some way to get around this with fancy words, wrb, but you are lying. Here are <b>your very own words</b> from last month's thread (thread linked in my reply to Jon, above):<br><br>wrb writes: <b>Your first sexual encounter is no different from the first time you are offered drugs or liquor. You get to decide to engage in that conduct no matter what the gender of the individual is. The probability of that chance being equal is not the issue, the probability of what you choose to do is the issue. Everyone decides with equal chance whether to imbibe, inhale or fornicate. Conduct is always a choice.</b><br><br><a href=\"http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/my-2-cents-on-prop-8-and-gay-marriage-a-call-for-strategic-activism/#comment-3860943\" rel=\"nofollow\">Source: where you posted this</a><br><br>wrb writes: <b>It could have been your first taste of ice cream or your first slice of apple pie. The point was simply that when you try it you like it. It is PLEASURABLE not that as you choose to misconstrue it as some 'addictive/compulsive' behavior.</b><br><br><a href=\"http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/my-2-cents-on-prop-8-and-gay-marriage-a-call-for-strategic-activism/#comment-3880754\" rel=\"nofollow\">Source: where you posted this</a><br><br>You wrote those words. You did.<br><br>You are LYING now, just lying. Fancy words don't change what you wrote. My inability to correctly get just the exact right words to name the sickness you are promoting doesn't change the actual view of sex that you are actually promoting. <br><br>Further -- <b>you willfully do not understand what I mean by object.</b> <br><br>Disconnected individuals believe that they are the center of the universe and that all around them are not other beings they have to interact with, but objects for them to use to fulfill their own <b>desires.</b><br><br>That is why I see your view as being about objects. Treating other beings as things who exist in relation to your desires, not as real beings to interact with.<br><br>Look at your own words and scenarios. In your scenarios quoted above, there is one disconnected individual interacting with <b>whatever</b> is around her/him as if they are things, not beings.<br><br>So let me be clear, yet again. Whiterosebuddy, <b>I find your view of sex sick and twisted</b> There is NO OTHER PERSON in your analogies. There is the disconnected individual and things related to that disconnected individual's \"pleasure\" (to use your word). It is crystal clear who is <b>and is not</b> in the landscape and worldview you promote. <br><br>To my eyes, your perception of sex reveals a bleak sick situation in which disconnected individuals approach sex as if it is something related to their disconnected individual desires, rather than as a communication and interaction with another being who is not in your analogies but IS there in real life in every case where the person is not having sex with themselves.<br><br>I find your way of seeing and describing sex between two people to be deeply twisted and sick. I believe that anyone having sex from the worldview you promote is acting in ways that will be deeply harmful to the actual beings involved -- harmful  to their <b>humanity</b> and to their <b>souls</b>. <br><br>And, I do not believe that this is an individual sickness specific to you. As I wrote last month, I see it as part and parcel of the dominant culture in this country. I see it people who come from your belief system AND from capitalist advertisers making things of other beings and selling \"sex\" as if it is a mode of fulfilling the disconnected individual's desire.<br><br>You want this conversation to be about \"homosexuality\" because that is supposed to give you cover. <br><br>You have a unmerited (and itself deeply, deeply sick) dominant cultural force around of the discussion is about \"homosexuality\", a force that that gives you an unearned false \"high ground.\" <br><br>But I see through that, wrb. I see how sick and twisted YOUR perspective on sex is. Such deep harm, such distortion, makes me recoil in disgust. <br><br>you wrote: <i>Bottomline, let's agree to disagree.</i><br><br>No. Your actions in our discussions -- your lies, your use of \"this is about homosexuality\" as a cover for what you are really promoting, and your actual promotion of a sick and distorted worldview -- they offend me spiritually, wrb. <br><br>I will not \"agree to disagree\" with someone who desecrates truth as you do. <br><br>I am willing to \"agree to disagree\" only when I am dealing with someone who has accountability to the truth in a real and enacted way. Through interaction with you, I have assessed that you fail at that. <br><br>Like I said above: you do not seem to know who/what you are really talking to when you are talking to me. And I will say this: check your gut knowledge and attend carefully to what is around you. <br><br>Specifically, you'd better be really certain you are (and will continue to be) fully protected by the dominant culture that is animating you on these topics .... because without that protection, you will have to account for what you say and do whether you want to or not.<br><br>Without that protection, that  accountability will not come from/through me -- but I am telling you whether you choose to hear it or not ... without that protection, it will come.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-19_19:16:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ec3c0272b87ba5c8ce3a9168cf4e78a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4522717, "depth": 11, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4511576": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "No I hear you - some people don't want to get along. But I see his example even as I squirm through it or think he could be compromising or being set up and I figure if he can try then so can we.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_18:23:19", "killed": false, "user_key": "heartsandflowers", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4511434, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472342": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I don't have a problem with it because his prayer is predictable. He won't go off half-cocked (is that appropriate? LOL).<br><br>OTOH...I'm HOPING Rev Lowery goes off half-cocked!!!!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:14:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "c22bbad359677d681692848d5775fd8b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473371": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "CTFU!!!!<br><br>That wpuld've been TIGHT!~~", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:53:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473182, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472861": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "What do you think will happen as a result of Warren doing the invocation?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:24:09", "killed": false, "user_key": "c22bbad359677d681692848d5775fd8b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472461, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4485664": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I just got through the over 900 comments at the Daily Kos. Those idiots worked my last damn nerve. Entitled much?<br><br>And I could not agree more with <b>Craig</b>, <i>get off the damn cross people, someone else needs the wood</i>. I swear we wanted a deft politician we got one. Now all they want to do is turn Obama into a clumsy left wing ideologue.<br><br>Accusing Obama of being a bigot, a hatemonger, and a sellout is ridiculous and short-sighted. Let's see want <i>policies</i> as President he initiates AFTER he takes office before we through the damn baby out with the bathwater.<br><br>Calling Rick Warren satan is not going to help their cause. Gays and progressive are doing the exact same thing they accuse the religious right of doing, HATING.<br><br>Obama reaches across the aisle to evangelical conservatives, it opens a dialogue about issues important to gays. Things are not going to change overnight but a dialogue needs and must be opened. Otherwise gays and evangelicals will be doomed eternally to gaze across the great abyss of religion forever screaming that the other is the devil.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_13:44:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "234324dd017e36ee7c0faf28f81e2182", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476080": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Yep! Carolinagirl's a scream!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:26:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 7, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4476016, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4488738": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "whiterosebuddy,<br><br>Rick Warran compares gay relationships to incest and pedophilia.  Virtually every LGBTQ person I talk to sees that as homophobic.<br><br>And he and other allies <i>did</i> just strip civil rights from individuals practicing homosexuality.  Marriage is a civil right, according to the Supreme Court. Lesbians and gays had that right in California until Prop 8; now they don't.<br><br>Again, look at it in terms of religion.  If somebody compared relations between two Jews to pedophilia and incest, that would get described as anti-Semitic.  And if somebody supported a proposition to take away Jews' rights to marry, that would be taking away their civil rights - even if the people didn't advocate violence.<br><br>jon", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_16:14:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "JonPincus", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 17, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4488320, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4490636": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I just had a delicious thought.<br><br>What IF...Warren is just a litmus test?<br><br>What IF...he was just put out there to test the waters so Obama could select the person he really wants.<br><br>Obama can cave into the pressure about Warren...and then select<br><br>REV WRIGHT!!!<br><br><br>hahahahaha...wouldn't that be rich?<br><br>What a nice ending to have the man who married you, baptised your children and now inaugurate you.<br><br>hahaha..<br><br><br>I think this qualifies for what CPL calls SECOND CHANCES!!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_17:33:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474460": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "The answer: THEM", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:11:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "fd35c4322b63b2dab06baea3e23047cf", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474457, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4561307": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Except there is an openly gay white person in his administration. Using quotes from other people to make a point is just tired meme hijacking and not a real discussion anyway. Human Rights Campaign wrote that lame open letter but intentionally left out Joseph Lowery's participation because it would weaken their attempt at bashing.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-21_16:17:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "heartsandflowers", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4560162, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4514482": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think you can do it! your parody you did earlier was spot ON!  I know Town could too! <br>I just don't understand why this is as big of an issue as it is. Its a freaking PRAYER...the man is NOT going to get up at the inaguration and start speaking in tongues and begging God to rid the USA of the unrighteous heathens and praying for the rapture...I just know he's not.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_22:23:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "c22bbad359677d681692848d5775fd8b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4514181, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474423": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "the more i think about this the more it just seems like unnecessary drama. it's just a prayer but the gays and progressives are already talking about protests and they are PISSED and downright hateful. it's ugly.  why invite that kind of drama to the inauguration? maybe obama thinks losing the gays and progressives, is worth it if he can gain the evangelicals in 2012. doesn't seem worth it to me.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:09:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "a1a6fe07d6a55171eab9c48ea6c85fe5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 8, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4490809": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Jon,<br>Because Warren fins similarities between incest, pedophilia and homosexuality does not mean he is homophobic. A word which is such a misnomer, as I have yet to find a person who beleives that homosexuality is wrong from a religious perspective who is fearful of homosexualities.  Point of fact, most Christians believe in loving the sinner and hating the sin...so homophobic does not begin to fit.  Also, if we look at sexual behaviors, and are making a list of sexual behaviors that are deviant in our society, then homosexuality would belong in the category along with incest, pedophilia, etc.<br><br>Marriage is not a civil right Jon. NO individual has a right to marry.  Marriage is a right. There are no laws that proclaim marriage to be a civil right. California's law purporting to give such a right was overturned.<br><br>Jon, Warren is not comparing religions, he is looking at sexual conduct. On the spectrum of how humans can conduct themselves homosexuality is deviant, i.e. outside the norm...so is incest and pedophia.<br><br>I emphasize to you again. No individuals in America have a right granted to marry under the constitution. Marriage is a religious rite not a right.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_17:40:38", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4488738, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4489274": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "You're making a lot of assumptions about me, CPL.  I agree that the knee-jerk reaction of many in and out of the LGBTQ community of blaming blacks (and now more generally people of color) for Prop 8's passing is shameful reflects racism in the community.  However, I've never taken that stance myself, have challenged those who have, and have written about how the failure to reach out to anybody but \"the usual suspects\" was a huge failing of the \"No on 8\" organizers. <br><br>Also I do hang out here fairly often (and also helped Baratunde start up the Voter Suppression Wiki) so understand the perspectives here.  Point taken about how the LGBTQ community as a whole is unlikely to get a lot of sympathy from POC.  However you did ask JJP readers what they thought, so I figured I'd respond.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_16:31:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "JonPincus", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 11, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4488207, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474427": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I smile at the haters when I see them.  Hate on me, I could give less than two damns. come to think of it, Obama did take the high road.  I wouldn't have invited them at all.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:08:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "rorysmomma", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474143, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4496102": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "wrb, see <a href=\"http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/12/should-the-purpose-driven-preacher-pray-over-the-potus/?disqus_reply=4495766#comment-4495654\" rel=\"nofollow\">my comment above</a> on this stuff.<br><br>And speaking of rational discussion, as I mentioned above you never actually replied  to my comment about <a href=\"http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/my-2-cents-on-prop-8-and-gay-marriage-a-call-for-strategic-activism/#comment-3882213\" rel=\"nofollow\">sex being for me a mode of connection rather than an object to be consumed</a> by disconnected individuals as your analogies suggested.  <br><br>You <a href=\"http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/my-2-cents-on-prop-8-and-gay-marriage-a-call-for-strategic-activism/#comment-3893356\" rel=\"nofollow\">wrote</a> you would reply later in a comment, but to my knowledge you never did. <br><br>I would be interested in reading your response to that comment over there on that thread. <br><br>Final note. just so we are clear because maybe earlier we were engaged in two different conversations due to two different goals. You wrote: <i>Because you are wrong and incapable of prevailing in a rationale argument</i><br><br>That's <b>your</b> goal for a discussion (dominance/prevailing) but it is not mine. I attempted to describe my goal here in another comment to hustleandfloe from last month's discussions: <a href=\"http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/prop-8-dont-blame-blacks-blame-mormons/#comment-3851404\" rel=\"nofollow\">here</a><br><br>*crossing my fingers hoping all my links work*", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_18:37:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ec3c0272b87ba5c8ce3a9168cf4e78a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4495225, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4486473": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Thank you, Jon!!!  After reading through all the comments here, I can appreciate the notion that the President-Elect and his Inauguration staff are making a concerted effort to show \"unity\" and \"reconciliation.\"  And I understand the notion that we must love our enemies, those whom we find it \"difficult to love.\"  I get that.<br><br>But I also can't help feeling, as Jon's analogy so poignantly illustrates, that the President-Elect and his team see LGBT rights as simply a \"social issue\" on which people of conscience can disagree &ndash; personally, I'd prefer that they view LGBT rights as core human rights, which are not negotiable.  Giving prominence to a preacher who equates homosexuality with polygamy and pedophilia is a little too much for me.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_14:22:40", "killed": false, "user_key": "f11b0887f9dbde459fb986a5b1e75d35", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 5, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4486153, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473269": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "LOL", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:47:51", "killed": false, "user_key": "c22bbad359677d681692848d5775fd8b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473182, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474433": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Some political opinion from Marc Ambinder:<br><br><a href=\"http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/mt/mt-tb.cgi/40265\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/mt/mt-tb.cg...</a><br><br>\"From experience, one can presume that the decision to invite Rick Warren was made because (a) Obama likes the guy, and (b) he knows it would send a message to groups like the HRC, and to conservative Christians who might be wary of the new president. Not so much pandering as it is Obama's deft manipulation of the politics of symbolism.  Obviously, Obama disagrees with Rick Warren on important issues. He has said so, many times, and publicly.  And he agrees with him on other important issues. And ignoring something like Warren, a mainstream figure who commands the respect of million of Americans, would be foolish.  Obama's message is: Rick Warren is a part of Obama's America, too.\"", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:09:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "fd35c4322b63b2dab06baea3e23047cf", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474949": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "You can't bite the hand that's feeding you, Justice, and that's what TD, Eddie, Creflo and other Black mega-pastors would have been doing if they defended Jeremiah Wright - those slices of Faith-Based Money pie from Bush's Administration would have gotten cut clean off.<br><br>No way were they going to cut off that gravy train to defend one of their own Brethren in the Ministry on PRINCIPLE and BIBLICAL ETHICS.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:42:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "CPL", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473707, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474440": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "NOT the fisheye!!  LOLOLOLOL    WWhhewww~~", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:10:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "isonprize", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473422, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473931": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Not Rev. Ike..LMAO!!! Might as well ask Bishop Don Juan!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:35:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "c22bbad359677d681692848d5775fd8b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473422, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472908": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Too late, that pandora's box gis open. The GOP went wit the \"dem libruls is all heathens\" tactic....then the Dems had to go on a mission to prove they were Jesus freaks too and here we are.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:27:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "c22bbad359677d681692848d5775fd8b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472101, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4517453": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Yes, I do, Michelle, and what really pisses me off is that those who were responsible for outreach on Prop 8, conveniently left out gay people of color as well - the white gays appear to forget gay POCs, except when they need them to do the heavy lifting.<br><br>Sometimes I type faster than my thoughts and I should have been more clear in what I was saying. Wasn't leaving out gay POCs in the least.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-19_03:13:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "CPL", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4489836, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473422": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "He could have gone for T.D. Jakes, to whom I also give a fisheye equal to Warren.  Jakes appears a step up from Creflo or Long or worse, Rev. Ike.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:58:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "blksista", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 10, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4471683, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4494927": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Michelle, how about you allow Jon to be his own arbiter of who he chooses to discuss what topic with.<br><br>Your personal views are just that...NOT universal.  What you want Jon to do is speak to like minded people and that is the best way to remain ignorant.<br><br>Even if you choose that path for yourself.  It should not be something you advocate for others, taking pride in ignorance is just plain ignorant.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_17:43:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 14, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4489530, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4536402": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You're trying to change the conversation not me. I will ask this of every person who wants to hold a moral superiority clause over another. You made a comment about not wanting to leave a child in the care of a gay person on the basis of living life the \"wrong\" way. So what about all the kids being born out of wedlock to straight people, the bad parenting, the sperm donors who don't father their kids and all the unmarried sex? What about the physical intimidation women have to protect themselves from just walking down the street in the average Black neighborhood? What about all the rapes that occur that go unreported or when it is like in R Kelly's case you have a bunch of women defending a child molester? If you're going to make moral proclamations then do it across the board! These are far more deadly to Blacks than this big gay boogeyman straw hat argument. Black people have to take responsibility for all of it and their homophobia under guise of religiosity. We are also in murky water when some of us gleefully support our preferences as absolute truths against other Blacks like with colorism which is akin shade racism or against gays. It is what white people have done to us.  We won't have a leg to stand on in protest. I understand that you and others are not going to be accepting of homosexuality but I don't have to be silent any more than you do and I will continue to engage where I see you and others being devisive. Without people like Bayard Rustin and Barbara Jordan we wouldn't be enjoying most of the civil rights and freedoms to even be having this conversation!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-19_22:50:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "heartsandflowers", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4535991, "depth": 11, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4475987": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "This choice is shrewd. Nothing more; nothing less.<br><br>I get so tired of folks reading that they are \"dismissed\" when Barack makes a choice they don't like.<br><br>Criticize on policy or transparency or whatever else, but all this poor me nonsense needs to stop. The victim mentality is so unattractive. I say get off the cross. Somebody else needs the wood.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:16:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "CraigHickman", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 25, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474457": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I know they are angry, but if the gays and progressives decided to have a large protest on this inauguration day of all inauguration days, who really comes off looking worse, Obama or them.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:10:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "fd35c4322b63b2dab06baea3e23047cf", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474423, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4483676": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I so agree! I hardly visit there anymore!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_12:11:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4482960, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476000": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "That's what I'm talkin bout.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:17:34", "killed": false, "user_key": "CraigHickman", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475888, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4486764": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Why do we need anyone to pray over Obama at the inauguration??  I say skip it and we don't have to worry about these issues.  Anyway, given the fact that Warren also thinks wives should be subservient to their husbands, it might be dangerous for him to get too close to Michelle.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_14:39:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "8b18c3b4138d5edb14a1baf49ccead26", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4512867": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Black people need to collectively be more organized. Remember the Black Elite didn't support Obama nor did the Civil Right's Victimology Crowd. So who was left? We need to take back our political power from the fools and the dividers. We can't keep waiting for someone to do the right thing or cry foul. Obama didn't wait he focused. It's what we need to do.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_20:39:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "heartsandflowers", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472307, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4495766": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "<i>Your reality is yours as well Michelle.</i><br><br>I totally agree, wrb. <br><br>Not only is this true in general, I think, but it has a particular truth for me. My experience is that \"my reality\" is not shared by the culture and society in which I live -- at the most core and basic of perceptual levels. So I am always double-streaming and thus pretty much constantly aware that my reality is just mine because the cues I get externally often contradict how and what I perceive.<br><br>So yeah, wrb, to my eyes that is a totally true statement you are making there -- true on multiple levels, I would say  -- and I really appreciate you making it!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_18:19:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ec3c0272b87ba5c8ce3a9168cf4e78a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4495132, "depth": 6, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4482860": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'm white, this black man is stealing my show.... whew lord.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_11:29:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "rorysmomma", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4482711, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4485225": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Oh my God! Facts and reason, can't have that when it is way too easy to be outraged.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_13:24:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "malletgirl02", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474218, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472940": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<a href=\"http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/17/obama-inauguration-rick-w_n_151785.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/17/obama-...</a><br><br>The order of the program", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:29:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "c22bbad359677d681692848d5775fd8b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472308, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4475501": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I really don't give two flying fucks to the wind who is chosen to do the prayer as long as he is sworn in and starts cleaning up Bush's mess. Geesh... to everyone who is gettin all up in arms about it, please take a chill pill.  I mean seriously, protests? Really???? *rolls eyes* Don't get an ulcer about petty shit before the man is even sworn in to do what he was elected to do. <br><br>Once he fucks up (b/c he will, if ppl are getty pissy about things now, then it's a guarantee that he will fuck up once he's actually the president), go at him w/ all your fury . This \"fury\" includes blog rants, calling your representatives, writing letters to the editor, writing the same comment about your outrage and how it's not really change on DailyKos, Huffington Post, FieldNegro, The Field, etc.<br><br>I'm with Rhonda, y'all need to be worried about Aretha Franklin having her sandbags hanging out of her dress w/ the spaghetti straps hanging on for dear life. If there was ever a reason for a protest...... *snickers*", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_00:26:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "CarolinagirlinGA", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 14, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472942": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I wonder if he's going to be sympathetic to us at all. Latest cabinet picks: all white and hispanic. i know i can't be the only one who is seriously disappointed with this. <br><br><a href=\"http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/17/transition.wrap/index.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/17/transiti...</a><br><br>and no, epa, isn't cabinet, it's cabinet rank and u.n. ambassador isn't considered part of the cabinet: <a href=\"http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/cabinet.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/cabinet.html</a><br><br>also, way to piss off the gays obama. they aren't going to forget anytime soon.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:29:51", "killed": false, "user_key": "a1a6fe07d6a55171eab9c48ea6c85fe5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 10, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472307, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473967": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "\"I invited one of my biggest haters to my wedding and made sure I smiled extra hard at her as I was walking down the aisle.\"<br><br>OMG......ROFLMAO!! Sherri? Is that you?? LMAO!! - ok, that was vintage Sherri (one of my friends from college)....you're gonna have me laughing the rest of the night.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:37:08", "killed": false, "user_key": "c22bbad359677d681692848d5775fd8b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473740, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476016": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "<i>I'm with Rhonda, y'all need to be worried about Aretha Franklin having her sandbags hanging out of her dress w/ the spaghetti straps hanging on for dear life. If there was ever a reason for a protest...... *snickers*</i><br><br>::<br><br>I just spit out my drink.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:20:19", "killed": false, "user_key": "CraigHickman", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 9, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475501, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4517452": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "As much as I wanted Obama to win I feared that the rules for him would be different.  And they are.  Every decision he has made thus far has been met with criticism, not from the Right but from the Left.  After every appointment there have been posts on sites asking what about women, what about Hispanics, what about LGBT, blah, blah, blah. Every time there has been a rumor about an appointment the blogosphere was swift with their dissent.  Did we elect him because we shared his vision and believed in  his intellect or not?  Give him a chance!  Is that too much to ask?  Is that unreasonable?  This Warren situation is pissing me off for a couple of reasons.  We  have bitched and moaned for eight years about the ideological rigidity of the Bush administration and yet at the first opportunity to prove that we believe in inclusion, the Left is calling for Obama's head and threatening to withhold support, financial and otherwise.  Secondly, there is an undercurrent in the rhetoric that comes across that Obama should be grateful that the good white folks voted for him and thus he must substitute his own thoughts and feelings for theirs.  I hope that his tenure in office is not fraught with this constant hand wringing and second-guessing.  We don't have to have blind faith but a little belief in his judgment would be nice.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-19_03:13:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "hopee", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4482676": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "And they should know better than to mess with a sista and her fur.  One of those PETA folks got the beatdown of his life when he pelted my ex-co worker with paint because she was wearing her fox jacket.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_11:20:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "MsKitty", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4479696, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4488821": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Thank you for this comment, CPL!<br><br>That marriage equality movement has serious serious issues and problems, which to my eyes (and yours as it seems) are very clearly visible. At this time, I don't see any indication that the people in it will ever get to the point of necessary self-critique and internal movement change. <br><br>I hope I am wrong on that. But what I see is an irresponsible movement engaging in ungrounded playing of a sort of drama in which white privilege, childish tantrums, the creation of an unreal \"we are the victims of all victims\" identity that pushes back against any questioning or critique, and endless inaccurate comparisons to the Civil Rights movement seem to be common movement practice.<br><br>And in the process, LGBT issues are incorrectly defined according to the most privileged among us, without looking to the realities of the actual lives of a spectrum of L, G, B and/or T people across race, class, age, region and other areas.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_16:18:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ec3c0272b87ba5c8ce3a9168cf4e78a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4488207, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474998": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "lol.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:46:38", "killed": false, "user_key": "Rhondacoca", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474108, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476023": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Co-sign. BAP you are a trip! :o)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:20:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "CarolinagirlinGA", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473740, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473977": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "UN ambassador will be cabinet rank in Obama administration. Same as it was with Clinton but not Bush", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:37:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "LisaM5432", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472942, "depth": 6, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4475003": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "you would be preaching to the choir, because my posts on anything anti-Obama have been flamed to the point Jack quoted this fact in an issue of the Washington Post where the question was raised \"Would any Black people be able to criticize Obama?\"<br><br>My posts on his positions are ON RECORD.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:46:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "CPL", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474252, "depth": 8, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4477290": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "carolinagirl:  <b>YOU JUST SPEAK!!!</b>  <br><br>As I JUST posted,  <b>Ima JUST ENJOY HIS DAY!!</b>   :&gt;)     :&gt;)<br><br><b>BIG NUMBER OF THE DAY  - - - - - -     -33 DAYS!!</b>   :&gt;)   :&gt;)  Whooo!  Hoo! :&gt;)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_02:36:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "GreenLadyHere", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475501, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4488320": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "JOn, your analogy is far from close.  Warren is not against gays, he is against gay marriage. Two, their are no laws which grant the right of marriage let alone same sex marriage, so Warren did not help pass any law to strip anyone of anything.<br><br>Warren does not support changing the law to include gay marriage, Warren does not preach hate against homosexuals, he seemly believes that homosexuality is a sin. Which means he believes that individuals who practice homosexuality should repent and cease living a life of sin.  Warren is not advocating violence against individualds who practice homosexuality nor is he seeking to strip individuals who practive homosexuaity of their civil rights.<br><br>Which is why the outrage and loud clamoring from gay advocates is falling on deaf ears.<br><br>It simply does not rise to the level of hate nor of a denial of civil rights under the law.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_15:55:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 18, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4486153, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4515458": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "No argument that the LGBTQ people need to deal with the racism (and sexism and classism that Michelle mentions below).  Also there is a lot of anti-religious feeling that sometimes escalates to bigotry -- and is a huge barrier to outreach.  One of the encouraging things happening in some of the post-Prop 8 Stonewall 2.0 activism is that existing institutions like HRC are getting bypassed, and there's a lot more attention to being positive and inclusive; a lot of the reports on the Join the Impact protests on Nov. 15 discussed how diverse the crowds were.  Still there's a lot of room for improvement and I agree that the movement won't succeed until these issues are addressed.<br><br>From a strategy perspective, Obama reaching out to Warren (after Warren sandbagged him in the debate and then continued to support McCain) is similar to his reaching out to Lieberman.  It's not at all how I would do it, but that's just one of many reasons he's President and I'm not.  <br><br>And other than \"progressives\" like the Kossacks and Americabloggers, I don't think anybody's demanding that Obama do want LGBT people want on cue.  In fact there's a lot of question as to how much political capital he'll spend to deliver on his agenda  -- including repealing the Defense of Marriage Act.  So that's yet another reason it's so important to react strongly in this case: if LGBT activists sit quietly when homophobia is rewarded, then political calculus may well lead these contentious issues to be delayed.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_23:32:36", "killed": false, "user_key": "JonPincus", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4489605, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476267": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<i> I invited one of my biggest haters to my wedding and made sure I smiled extra hard at her as I was walking down the aisle.</i><br><br><br><b>That a girl! ;)</b>", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:46:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473740, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476036": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You're a voice in the wildnerness, iceberg. Keep up the good work.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:21:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "CraigHickman", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474218, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474501": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "And another thing, of all the darn things to set up a protest for, it because Rick Warren will give a 5-10 min invocation.  Yeah, I'm so sure that the protest will go over so well with the people they are trying to influence.  The are beter more important tings to protest.  Essentially, they are protesting a choice of speaker, NOT A POLICY DECISION!!!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:14:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "fd35c4322b63b2dab06baea3e23047cf", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474423, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4471943": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "There's definitely going to be some rolling cadences in the benediction.  Dr. Lowery is gonna have folks speaking in tongues.<br><br>Speaking of which, I need to roll-out to my Wednesday night service.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_20:44:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "Webb", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4471700, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4483208": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "lol lol..lily..you GOT that right!!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_11:49:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4480284, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476524": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I can understand why some people maybe uncomfortable with Rick Warren as the the deliverer of the invocation at the inauguration-----BUT, my gosh,  when did this become a matter of policy.<br><br>People automatically write off Obama as a \"sell-out\" or denounce him as soon as he reaches out to  individuals they deem off-limits.  But isn't if funny how the \"progressive\" crowds want to stifle communication with other groups.....but yet  bemoan any one who dares challenge them. <br><br> In other words, if we are truly going to be progressive, and move this country forward, we ALL need to embrace diversity.  And it is not just limited to Blacks, but Whites, Hispanics, Asians, Natives, Arabs/Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Evangelicals, the Black Church,  and any other group.<br><br>One thing I've learned in  college and traveling with my hubby doing his military career is that America IS truly one diverse nation.  I myself have been blessed to meet so many different individuals...and some of the people I met along the way had never even been aroung black people before they entered the service.  And I knew that those same people  held antiquated views of black people but were surprised when they saw the strong bond that my family held------ they were literally shocked because they figured many black families were broken, and black men were underacheivers.----- Some held the views of the Religious Right in this country  and yet I met others who were atheist.<br><br>Just this past election season, another military wife from the South proudly displayed her McCain/Palin sticker  while I displayed my Obama sticker.  Yet each time I see her, we converse  and offer goodwill because even though we may differ ideologically on many issues...we share one main one, and that is being the wife of a servicemember.<br>And unlike the majority of Americans, who truthfully are not tuned in to the perils of being in a military family these days....I know that SHE knows what it feels like, and that is one area where we can support one another.  We have both decided that  our shared understanding of  the loneliness, complexity, uncertainty  that exist in military life is bigger than any politcal party or candidate has to offer...and I am thankful for that aspect of our relationship.<br><br>Obama has ALWAYS said, there is not a red America or a blue America, but a United States of America.  When our servicemembers go to war, and stand in harm's way, they don't just die for progressives or conservatives, one religious group or another.....they die and bleed the same color blood for this country under the same American flag.  No casket is covered with with an ideological falg but an American flag.<br><br>And I just hope that until Obama makes some truly bad policy decisions in his term, we can begin this journey united at least in the spirit of our country, under one flag----that is the least we can do.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_02:15:09", "killed": false, "user_key": "Monie", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 9, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 2, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473740": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I'm not mad at Obama at ALL.  I think it's fabulous that he's allowing one of his biggest and shadiest haters to participate.  I invited one of my biggest haters to my wedding and made sure I smiled extra hard at her as I was walking down the aisle.  It was priceless.  Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.  Warren did all that cheating for McCain yet his boy STILLL got that ass tapped and now a Black man is President of the United States of America.  It's poetic justice in my opinion, I love it...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:21:17", "killed": false, "user_key": "BlackAmericanPrincess", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 5, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4477207": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"Bless the POTUS and give him strength to lead this country...\"<br><br>Same stuff he prayed over the last eight or nine POTUSes.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_02:28:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "CPL", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475153, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4495500": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hillary Rosen was awful. It is outrageous how narcissitc people who are gay and gay advocates can be.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_18:05:17", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4491574, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472461": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "So you think that after Rick Warren's invocation, everybody's gonna just love PE Obama and the nation will be healed and we're all just gonna hold hands and sing Kumbaya? Of course, I don't have the power to reverse his decision to have Rick Warren at the inaugural ceremony  but I sure as hell don't feel so charitable as to be deferent to him all the time. In my humble opinion, this decision is a huge misstep.<br><br>T.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:17:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "d6755b31010b50fc47eac9ee8b3bb319", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472278, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476127": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "<i>The victim mentality is so unattractive. I say get off the cross. Somebody else needs the wood.</i><br><br>\"How dare you say that to me? I am a (white) gay man who lives in California and I am TIRED of sitting in the BACK OF THE BUS! I am angry! Having Rick Warren give the invocation is a SLAP in my FACE as a (white) gay man!  You think oppressing gay people is shrewd? How dare you! <br><br>And don't tell me not to be angry, what's the matter, don't you think gay people have the right to be angry?! What do you know about these things. It's not like you LIVE it every day ... and well, if you do live it every day and you STILL don't feel this as the horrific act of violence it IS, then you better wake up, mister, because this affects all of us. What is *wrong* with you?\"<br><br>(end channeling of dkos-inspired tantrum)<br><br>:)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:31:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ec3c0272b87ba5c8ce3a9168cf4e78a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 17, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475987, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4515753": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"I thought him to be less fundy than, say, James Dobson or Pat Robertson.\"<br><br>Warren is to Dobson and Robertson what so-called \"rational racists\" like Philippe Rushton, Jared Taylor, and (yes, even) David Duke are to out-and-out Klansmen and neo-Nazis.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_23:55:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "c87fa9ab975275187368e74f6f34d3d1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4512912": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Rick Warren is a False Prophet anyway but there's a few million sheep that go baaah when they see him. We all need to chill out! There's gonna be way more things to lose it over.<br><br><a href=\"http://snipurl.com/8urli\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://snipurl.com/8urli</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_20:42:41", "killed": false, "user_key": "heartsandflowers", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473490": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "It was what I wanted for Christmas yall.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:03:17", "killed": false, "user_key": "rorysmomma", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473371, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474005": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I know this pick is very personal to some people, and I feel you're pain, but let's put this in perspective a little.  Off the top of your head (without looking at Google or Wikipedia) can anyone tell me who did the invocation for BUSH 42, CLINTON, BUSH 41, REAGAN, CARTER, FORD, JFK, NIXON, etc.  Hell who did the benediction?  I sure as hell don't, I'll bet not many of us can.  Why?  Because at the time chosen, there may have been some problems with the pick, but who will remember it. I'll bet, 6 months after the inauguration, hell, 1 week after, we will all be taling about something other than Rick Warren.  Honestly, one of the few things I remember about Clinton' inaugural was Maya Angelou's poem, and off the top of my head, I can't even tell you which inaugural, or the title of the poem.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:39:08", "killed": false, "user_key": "fd35c4322b63b2dab06baea3e23047cf", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 5, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476566": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'm in stitches.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_02:18:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "CraigHickman", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4476127, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4482711": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "oh gosh! you're killing me.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_11:22:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "f9aaa8acc43fd7620185ff90cef3c05a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473182, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472986": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Chris,<br><br>I just don't believe PEO thinks that way.  We've been use to tit for tat for so long. He is showing us how to unite as a country.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:32:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472815, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4477595": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "isonprize/blksista:  Did Y'ALL REQUEST this?:<br><br><a href=\"http://video.aol.com/video-detail/fisheyed-fool/1216402255\" rel=\"nofollow\">Fisheyed Fool</a><br><br>THIS is the BEST that I could find.    :&gt;)    :&gt;)<br><br>ENJOY???     :&gt;)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_03:20:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "GreenLadyHere", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474440, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476060": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "There!", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:25:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475987, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476186": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "*looks down and kicks feet around* Aw shucks, Justice58 thanks. :o)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:37:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "CarolinagirlinGA", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 6, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4476080, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472481": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Usually on this blog folks are pilloried if they don't sip a little Kool Aide. NO ONE can defend this. As I said on fN, Barack is bending over backwards for these people, and will get nothing for it.<br>I think of the words of \"Dathan\" in The Ten Commandments flick: \"What do you think of your Deliverer [Moses] now?\"<br>It's stuff like this that makes me glad I'm talking about repentent porn stars on my blog; politics is coarser...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:18:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "dcf2c9ce3819616f8ba0ca48c54519c4", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4475042": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "lol", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:49:58", "killed": false, "user_key": "Rhondacoca", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473182, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4485795": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "allheavens:   HEY!     :&gt;)  <b>CO-SIGN!</b>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_13:51:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "GreenLadyHere", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4485664, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4483237": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I made the mistake of clicking on Iceberg Slim's diary asking folks to calm down.  It's even worse than I thought.  I can actually visualize some of these people beating their chests and rending their garments while sitting at the computer.  I hate to say it, but Daily Kos has become a parody of itself.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_11:50:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "MsKitty", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4482960, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4514181": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Miranda, LOL! <br><br>I actually had to go google \"invocation\" late last night, because I started to get really confused. I asked my girlfriend, too, since she has formally studied Christian theology. <br><br>Nothing I have heard thus far suggests that he is going to do a policy address.<br><br>Though ... IMO it would be kind of funny is someone would do a satire in which Warren DOES do a policy speech under the guise of an invocation (which I still don't entirely understand). I mean, there must be a way he could do it. That would be funny to read. I wonder, has anyone done that yet anywhere? I don't know enough about invocations to be able to do it myself.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_22:00:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ec3c0272b87ba5c8ce3a9168cf4e78a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4512987, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4480284": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I think they have these banner people and music people who get in a room and decide how they are going to stir up the people .<br><br>Enough already. Not everything deserves its own theme music.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_09:47:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "Lilytiger", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475654, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4483754": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'll bet he won't be throwing paint anytime soon!", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_12:16:08", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4482676, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4528270": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Let Rick Warren say his prayer.<br>It'll tick off the right-wing.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-19_15:02:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "Admiral_Komack", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4516981, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4479661": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Ah I see you're keeping the fires burning! What's up?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_08:50:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "heartsandflowers", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4476127, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4496046": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Co-sign, Craig.  \"I say get off the cross. Somebody else needs the wood.\"  <br><br>Yes, I'll need it for my woodburning stove this winter.  It's cold as a well digger's ass here in Minnesota.  -5 degrees last night.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_18:34:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "spirit_55z", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475987, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473008": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "lol", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:33:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472908, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4484785": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Isn't this just about prayer at the inauguration? Do you really think his prayer will be less acceptable to God?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_13:05:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "151ed69d59543e36fc74c6a460a475a8", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473522": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "He (Warren ) was so fake and IMHO the  selection of him cheapens and makes the process fake.  Wait a minute, what poetry - Warren has to invoke the man he tried to undermine.  Sweet justice.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:06:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "msmartin", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4471704, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4535991": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I am not hijacking anything. You made an assertion regarding my character. You were off topic and you were not discussing the issue. Instead you made me the issu. So, I need to call you on that. I am not defensive nor combative I am simply not backing off of what I beleive and presenting it in a well reasoned way without resorting to impugning people's character simply because I do not agree with them.<br><br>The line can only be drawn IF everyone is silent. It can't just be because I hold a minority view on the site that I am the one who needs to be silent. Doesn't work that way.<br><br>You called yourself out heartsandflowers when you chose to focus on me vs. the subject under discussion.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-19_23:18:22", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4528925, "depth": 10, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4538040": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<i>And the operative word in what I stated was not access it was pleasure..which is not an object but a feeling.<br><br>People experience pleasure solely on their own, whether there is someone else experiencing it or not...their pleasure is theirs alone.</i><br><br>You write of sex in terms/analogies of experiencing pleasure as a disconnected individual.<br><br>I write of it as one possible mode of interaction and communication between real beings.<br><br>From my standpoint, you are overly obsessed with individual self, individual desire and feelings of pleasure when it comes to sex.<br><br>From my standpoint, you are overly focused on your own and other individual's feelings and desires, and you speak a world in which people relate to sex with each other as being about individual desire and pleasure rather than communication and interaction.<br><br><i>You are one sick demented person all because of your sexual desires.</i><br><br>You are deeply obsessed with what you claim and imagine are \"my\" sexual desires. <br><br>Again, pretending it's about the gender of who I am with serves as cover for and diversion from the distorted twisted way you perceive and write about sex.<br><br><i>All you wish to do as I said previously is demean me.</i><br><br>I think that what actually demeans you is the sickness you carry about what sex is and your choice to hide it under this other topic. I think that would demean you whether I (or anyone else) pointed it out or not.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-20_02:26:09", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ec3c0272b87ba5c8ce3a9168cf4e78a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4536100, "depth": 13, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4523195": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "WRB, I sent you an email!", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-19_11:49:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "spirit_55z", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4496246, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4516981": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "The invocation that Obama invited Warren to do at his inauguration, is a prayer.  As far as I know, Warren is a pastor.  Last time I checked, prayer was what pastors did.  The arguments against Warren have nothing to do with the style, subject, or delivery of his prayers; they have to do with his political views and how they are offensive to those in the LGBT community.  This outrage (from my viewpoint) is basically stems from a notion held by some on the left that because this dude's views are in direct opposition to their views and some of the views of THEIR President, he shouldn't be invited to make the opening PRAYER for THEIR President.  Ridiculous\u2026 I have no other word for it.  It\u2019s a double standard that borders on hypocrisy, that same type of hypocrisy that those on the right have been accused of (rightly so, most of the time).  This idea of  if you don\u2019t agree with me, then there is something wrong with you and you are part of the problem (so you either shape up and get on board or go away), should have no place in a democracy.  <br><br>The Left did not get Obama into office (although they provided the lion\u2019s share of the votes that went his way) because they don\u2019t have enough to make up a majority in America.  That means that those from the center and yes, even the right cast their ballots for the O-man.  And that means that the left needs to understand that Obama is not THEIR President.  He\u2019s OUR President (by \u201cour\u201d I mean all Americans not just some political wing).  Obama does not belong to the left or the right.  Obama will be the President of all of the United States (even the parts that didn\u2019t vote for him).  I believe that he understands that and his invitation to Warren, is evidence of that awareness.      <br><br>Also (and this may be tough for some of you to swallow), not every American shares the same views as those in the progressive quarters of American society (California\u2019s Prop 8 should have driven that point home).  Does that mean that they should go and find their own president because the current president elect doesn\u2019t share all of their views?  Seriously, who is going to represent \u201cthose people\u201d (if not Obama) for the next four years?  And if Obama will be the president of \u201cthose people\u201d, why is it wrong for him to invite one of \u201cthose people\u201d to HIS inauguration?!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-19_02:07:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "6d8bd6e6ae6e9c752a15d17f1b41743d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4478144": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Paul Mooney has to be the funniest comedian ever.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_04:55:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "60266805bc0d9559a62514e1e769b750", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4477172, "depth": 6, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4489836": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "<i>if gays want people of color to be sympathetic to their concerns, they need to start seeing what we've dealt with for almost 500 years.</i><br><br>CPL, you know that there are gay people of color, right? Who do see it, of course.<br><br>(despite the bullsh** of the white gay people acting like white is the definition of gay)<br><br>I guess -- I'm trying to say -- white gay people are \"speaking for\" ALL gay people because that is white privilege in action, but that is a lie based on entitlement and is not the actual reality.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_16:54:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ec3c0272b87ba5c8ce3a9168cf4e78a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4489605, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4515522": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Also, just to clarify on Kossacks and AmericaBloggers: both fo these communities are very biased towards negative action, and proudly flaunt their anti-religious sentiments and privilege out the yin-yang.   So I'm not surprised to hear that it's their reaction here.  However they're particularly significant players in LGBTQ activism -- in fact they missed Join the Impact as it was happening, instead focusing on John A's negative, anti-religious call for a boycott of Utah.  They are who they are ...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_23:37:20", "killed": false, "user_key": "JonPincus", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4515458, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474051": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "what did you expect from a man that cashed faith based voting checks from bush?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:43:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "rorysmomma", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473707, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4496246": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "<a href=\"mailto:whiterosebuddy@q.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">whiterosebuddy@q.com</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_18:46:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4495502, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474054": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Let me tell you something . This is good.I just came from Gretawire(FOX). and they want to boycott Rev.Warren.Meanwhile , Dog the Brother Hunter get good reviews for doing his racist job. Heck they even snapping at Sen.McCain . They are turning on themselves.They're so crazy over there, they only want to run Palin in2012.Some of the bad stuff over there attacking the minority Republicans.they're calling Jindal and Jefferson replacement Affirmative action hires.They want to get violent on their own kind.that's scary.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:43:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "21b944a30c0c947d97887babbf186e13", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4517063": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Warren is a big ol' mistake imho.  The consternation caused is real and justified.  I do worry about BHO a wee bit when he seems to seek the approval of a man who is manifestly his inferior.  However he doesn't do it too often or to a marked degree.  May be daddy issues.  I do not know.  I guess I could pray for a more perfect Obama, but then he wouldn't be any fun...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-19_02:17:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "tovangar2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4514785": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "If anyone's been paying attention, \"welcoming\" congregations are growing but still the exception, and not the general rule in the Christian community.  I also notice open LGBT members staying in churches where marriage between a man and woman IS the rule. Chruch stuff is complicated.  Why people stay tends to be deeper than why people leave.<br><br>Safe choice may be to keep all the ministers away form the podium.  Or have a Native American shaman give the invocation.<br><br>Since I have been exposed to church and church folk from birth, Lowery, who supports marriage rights,  gives the benediction and that's the last word.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_22:47:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "08eb23fad6f234494173d6094cefd060", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4511434": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "<i>I think Obama is going to drag all of us kicking and screaming into one room so that we collectively have to face each other - unless we want to face the wall - and try to find some common ground.</i><br><br>I'm thinking ..... It's hard to find common ground when so many are culturally programmed to speak from individual ego (or the group version of that) and trying to be right and show that others are wrong. It's so much a part and parcel of the dominant cultural system in this society, in my observation. <br><br>That to me seems like one of the largest hurdles to such process actually working, in this society, in at least some of its segments.<br><br>But then, I suspect that I don't understand a lot of how the \"common ground\" stuff could actually function. Maybe there are good ways around the obstacles I see. <br><br>And, I know that my own effort to find common ground with someone here with whom I have some disagreements about LGBT stuff started out ok but then fell apart. Maybe it needs to be practice-focused rather than discussion focused ... maybe? Like; ok we agree on X what will you do for X and what will I do for X and let's start doing. <br><br>Eh, I don't know. I have just totally confused myself.<br><br>Plus which, I think this may be a tangent to your actual point.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_19:15:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ec3c0272b87ba5c8ce3a9168cf4e78a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4479784, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4560503": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Not that this is anyone's business, but is Janet Napolitano married?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-21_16:13:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "ac2f03d4d3d50ef0393076faa047b8af", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4560162, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4475433": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I don't think that this is going to be an opportunity for Re Re to indulge in presenting her ample breasts to the world as she does on stage.  Number one, <i>it's for damn sure going to be cold.</i>  Second, if she manages not to mix mink with zebra or leopard, she's home free.<br><br>Wonder what her repetoire is going to be?  <i>Bridge Over Troubled Water</i>?  <i>Spirit in the Dark</i>?<br><br>I am so sorry Odetta has died; I know that she would have everyone with their hands in the air.<br><br>Meanwhile, as I said before in another post, <a href=\"http://voices.washingtonpost.com/inauguration-watch/2008/12/inaugural_poet_selected_elizab.html?hpid=topnews\" rel=\"nofollow\">poet Elizabeth Alexander has been chosen Inaugural Poet</a>.  (Sorry, Maya, but its time for you to scoot over.)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_00:20:05", "killed": false, "user_key": "blksista", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475111, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4483277": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "FWIW I totally agree with your diary.  Don't let the haters get you down.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_11:52:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "MsKitty", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474218, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4490701": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<i><b>The choice of Warren doesn't sit well with me; it never will, because he was trying to aid McCain by helping him cheat, and trying to trap and sandbag Obama. Obama attended the debate in good-faith, expecting Rick Warren to be what he held himself out to be, and Warren came off looking like a kinder, gentler version of James Dobson and Tim LaHaye, not to mention, blatantly partisan. By the same standard, if, after the antics of Sarah Palin's KKK campaign rallies, Warren could continue to support McCain, he was willing to support a ticket that represented bigotry in its purest form, because McCain nor Palin did anything to ask their supporters to tone it down.</b></i><br><br>CPL, thank you so much for mentioning this, because Warren's handling of the debate is the first thing that crossed my mind when I heard this news. Funny how the \"progressives\" only choose to focus on Warren's anti0gay marriage stance. <br><br>So, who's really showing their true colors?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_17:36:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "Sepia", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4489605, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4515536": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "great comment.  i fully agree--though i prefer chocolate chip cookies!  :-)", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_23:39:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "99bcec632769e483ead5faa515e84132", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4477309, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474067": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Well, Now we know why Obama  Secret service code name is \"Renegade\"... Obama is reaching out to everyone not matter how evil. Good Lord!  I hope he does not have Castro over for dinner at the White House next!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:44:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "b021a4ac1cf7ed9aa084c60312b484e3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4488916": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<i>I hate to say it, but Daily Kos has become a parody of itself.</i><br><br>I agree! I have this persistent deep level of disbelief that I just can't shake -- so I have this ongoing internal dialogue with myself when I go over there and see this stuff: \"Are these people for real? Really? Seriously? Nah. Can't be. Looks like it is. But it can't be. ....\" and on and on.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_16:21:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ec3c0272b87ba5c8ce3a9168cf4e78a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4483237, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474072": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Does any one remember Obama's victory speech? he said.<br><br>\"Let us resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long\"<br><br>He also said,<br><br>\"And to those Americans whose support I have yet to earn - I may not have won your vote, but I hear your voices, I need your help, and I will be your President too.\"<br><br>I guess we are already forgetting how it feels to have an Administration that was not all inclusive.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:45:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4488099": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "LOL, Pundit Mom - I could see Warren praying that Michelle become subservient to Obama, and she gets ready to put her Jimmy Choos up his ass for saying it.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_15:45:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "CPL", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4486764, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4477146": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Spoken so true!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_02:23:58", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4476524, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4489530": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Jon: I had an experience of trying to have a discussion with whiterosebuddy about LGBT issues last month. We started with areas of agreement (civil unions, ending/stopping employment and housing discrimination against gay people, stuff like that).<br><br>But as we got deeper into discussion, and as I started looking into the Arkansas decision about foster and adopted children (whether gay people should be \"allowed\" to parent is a place of disagreement between wrb and me), I started to get pretty creeped out by the underlying dynamics of the practice of using LGBT people as cover for an underlying non-sexual-orientation-specific pathology about sex as a practice and experience.<br><br>My comments/analysis about this are <br><br><a href=\"http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/my-2-cents-on-prop-8-and-gay-marriage-a-call-for-strategic-activism/#comment-3872623\" rel=\"nofollow\">Here</a><br><br><a href=\"http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/my-2-cents-on-prop-8-and-gay-marriage-a-call-for-strategic-activism/#comment-3882213\" rel=\"nofollow\">Here</a><br><br>Jon, in my opinion, you engaging in a discussion with wrb on these issues will simply litter the thread with stuff that has already been talked about at great length on this site and will not shed much insight on the topic at hand. <br><br>I myself personally do not feel that such a discussion would be useful coming from you at this time. I would prefer that you expend your energy trying to understand the other critiques, that CPL and others are talking about here.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_16:42:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ec3c0272b87ba5c8ce3a9168cf4e78a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 15, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4488738, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4480220": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "No casket is covered with an ideological flag but an American flag.<br><br><br>Wow, yes that is true. May you and yours remain out of harms way.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_09:43:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "Lilytiger", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4476524, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4522717": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "No, Michelle you are confused because you misconstrued the analogy. The analogy was about pleasure, desire and feelings. You miscontrued that into sex being an object. That is on you and your distorted cognition.<br><br>Nor did I write about sex in terms of access to drugs, alcohol or ice cream. RATHER, you misconstrued because of your belief system that CONDUCT ENGAGING in those ACTS was about access and termed the ACTS objects!!  Again, that is on you and your distorted mental belief system. Must be hard trying to keep all those denials straight in order  to continue the self-delusion necessary to simultaneously  projecting it as 'other's' problems.<br><br>O, so you finally get it was about feeling huh? You finally made it to the essence of the point? Hahaha, it must be really something to have to go through life denying feelings to the extent that you have to totally deny what is stated in order for it to make sense in your chosen deviant belief system. First you deny, then you denouce, then you decry, and finally you realize ...OH, that is not what was meant. All because you start out from a aberrant viewpoint., when it comes to sex being a behavior that you choose to engage in. You want to believe it is some inherent trait and it is not. It is a behavior.<br><br>Michelle, again, with regard to semantics...only you are calling, misconstruing and willfully distorting the statements made as being about OBJECTS vs. FEELINGS. nothing semantic about feelings vs. objects. <br><br>Only YOU, projected that nonsense.<br><br>and<br>You did so, as a basis for you to go into a tangent of pathological lies about what it meant in order to attempt justify the complete denounciation of your belief system with a reasoned cogent argument. You HAD NO rebuttal!!<br><br>In short you had no rational rebuttal to the reasoned argument presented ...so you chose to characterize me as being warped mentally ..when it was you who was twisting and distorting the statements to mislead YOURSELF which you have mastered to support your deviant sexual conduct. It is not normal and you cannot make it normal by trying to say it is ME, who is deviant.<br><br>Which is why I chose to not engage you any longer. I understand the depth of denial that homosexuals typically have and their need to justify them by vilifying others who don't buy into their deviant belief system.<br><br>Nevertheless, I respect your right as an individual to delude yourself.<br>Even when your spirit is obviously so unhappy that you seek to exclude others while demanding your sexual conduct  be included and accepted as normal.<br><br>It is not normal, accept it is deviant and live your life fully embracing the deviant sexual conduct.<br><br>Just don't insist that the world has to accept it as normal.  We are willing to accept YOU.  Not what you DO. We aren't willing to embrace your deviant sexual choices as normal. Nor are we willing to accept that your sexual desires have greater priorty than marriage and families. Prop* failed in the most populated BLUE state in the union!!!!!!!!<br><br>Michelle, you should not engage me on this topic anymore. You should scroll by my posts and you should allow others to engage as they choose.  After all, isn't that the very core principle homosexuals want...to make their own choices about conduct...how about you apply that in other areas of your life?<br><br>Or are you unable to be as tolerant of others choices as you want them to be of yours?<br><br>Bottomline, let's agree to disagree.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-19_11:27:09", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4513220, "depth": 10, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472101": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I personally cannot stand Rick Warren.  I believe him to be a belly crawling  snake oil salesman.  And personally I'm sick of knowing or caring what or who politicians drag out as pastors.  I think we all need to get past caring who politicians choose for religious reasons.  I can't remember this religious preoccupation of elected officials coming into play that much before Bush.  Separate people--separate.  Can we get back to a time when religion is not in the national conversation next to politics?<br>Next. . . . .", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_20:56:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "b7ec84be62de8b7f16eeb2a50b5dbaff", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4479712": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You haven't heard Auntie ReRe sing Touch My Body yet. That would crack me up!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_08:56:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "heartsandflowers", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475433, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4479696": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I can't wait to see the chinchilla or fox. Gawd they're gonna be pissed! Too bad, I hate PETA anyway. They care more about arguing over animals than caring about people.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_08:54:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "heartsandflowers", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4479401, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4512482": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "As much as I can not stand the idea of Obama letting Rick Warren near him.  I see it very differently.  I see the whole Rick Warren as a slow process of neutralizing the religious right political organizations.   Think about how many fundamentalist follow Warren.  By Warren praying over Obama.  Warren is showing some segments from the religous right that Obama is all right in the eyes of God.  Imagine the impact that would have on the movement.  <br><br>Don't forget folks if you think them crazy Saltines went buck wild against Clinton.  Think how they will rally their troops against  Obama.  They'll make the Clinton ordeal look like a Sunday walk in the Park.  There are people who do not want Obama presidency to succeed, no matter what cost to the country.  Many of them are fundies.   <br><br>Think about it. How many times have white men tossed token women, LGBT, Latino, Blacks, Asians to quiet us down.  After we see the tokens everything become right as rain (for the most part).  Why can't Obama use that same tactic.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_20:14:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "ecb8e53ad4dc175b15ab69340dd091f1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4483171": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hey Mrdoooooooooooooo!!<br>How are you?!   Man, it is good to see a post from you.  I feel you on each and every one of those issues. You know it is that old adage, folks are just biting off their nose to spite their face on a lot of this.<br><br>The religious right will indeed see their power diminished because Obama is going to neatly co-opt it with just the sort of thing he is doing with Rick Warren. I wish that folks would not get so emotional about some of these issues. If they paused for a little while they would be able to see that Obama has a completely different agenda and that he is going to drive that agenda with most of these naysayers IN the tent, instead of outside of it.<br><br>I wonder sometimes how folks beleive you flip powerful people on issues?  A lot of time they are not flip, rather they are neutralized by being invited to the table. They are allowed to express their ideas and work as a member of the team, which forces them to take accountability for the outcome, even when it is not their desired outcome.<br><br>Having a seat at the table demands far more than when you can just sit outside and agitate and foment hate and division.  People who can't lead within the group learn how futile their efforts are and how powerful the arguments are against them.<br><br>So, I am confident with Obama at the helm and all the experts at the table we are going to see some huge shifts in public policy which will move this country forward as the voices that are most respected will be at the table and agree to the group outcome.  <br><br>In short, there will not be any credible experts not at the table who can advocate against the policy objectives.<br><br>Barack is simply a brilliant strategist.<br><br>After 8 years in the wilderness we are about to see some real sunshine and a new way forward.<br><br>Hallelujiah!!<br><br>Mrdoooo, are you going to the inauguration?", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_11:47:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475654, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4511973": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "<i>your mindset & sexual conduct</i><br><br>The core of my mindset and sexual conduct, for me, is that I experience sexual contact as a form of communication/interaction between beings rather than an object to be consumed by disconnected individuals for their own selfish pleasure.<br><br>Are you so incredibly obsessed with the fact that I am with a woman that that is all that you can see?<br><br>Or are you condemning a perspective that would locate sex as a form of communication rather than disconnected consumption?<br><br><i>individuals like myself who strongly oppose your arrogance and unwillingness to subjugate adult desires while seeking to shape children to engage in the same narcissitic delusions.</i><br><br>First, to be clear, I myself do not want or have children. Never have wanted, actually. '<br><br>But I do think it is an important issue -- what the qualifications are or should be to raise young ones. I myself personally would hope for a standard that would include this: those who perceive sex in terms of disconnected individuals using other beings as objects (to get the object of sexual pleasure, for example) would at least have to think twice -- to be honest and self-critical in a real way -- about what they would be capable of teaching children under their care about being a contributing part of an interdependent whole.<br><br><i>I believe the spiritual dissonance you feel based on your sexual conduct</i><br><br>Well, I don't feel any spiritual dissonance based on <b>my</b> sexual conduct and I never said I did<br><br>In that discussion, I felt it emanating from you and from that website in Arkansas I mentioned. And in your case, it is because you write about sex as if it is an object to be consumed by disconnected individuals rather than a mode of communication/interaction between beings. <br><br>More broadly, I feel spiritual dissonance around sex from a society that teaches that sex is a way for disconnected individuals to get an object for themselves to consume. As I wrote, I see this on both ends of the spectrum. As someone for whom sex is a mode of communication and interaction, I find this other way to be horrifying to hear/read about, horrifying at a deep spiritual level. <br><br><i>clamoring to change the universe to your personal view is in vain.</i><br><br>This, I agree 100% with. I don't expect this system to change so that it makes sense to me. It is too entrenched, I think.<br><br><i>Thus, I will pray that no one ever allows you to have or raise children.</i><br><br>Well, you certainly have a very interesting approach to the uses of prayer.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_19:45:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ec3c0272b87ba5c8ce3a9168cf4e78a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 6, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4511553, "depth": 7, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4487398": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "RAOTFLMAO.  I thought I was the only one worried about Aretha.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_15:10:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "Val2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475501, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4475111": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I think the bigger issue is the fact that Aretha Franklin will be performing. I love her with a passion but sistagurl cannot dress to save her life. Will they be providing a stylist?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:54:19", "killed": false, "user_key": "Rhondacoca", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 8, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474088": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "For real...What Site is that?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:46:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "b021a4ac1cf7ed9aa084c60312b484e3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474054, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4512490": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "WRS, you are still being intolerant and hateful no matter what justification you use. Michelle has been nothing but reasonable with you when she didn't have to be. Try applying the concept of LOVING people even if you don't agree with them and respecting their choices. If I applied your mindset I'd say most Black people shouldn't have children because they're self-hating and irresponsible.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_20:14:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "heartsandflowers", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4511553, "depth": 7, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476145": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Amen!!!!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:32:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "CarolinagirlinGA", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475987, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4475122": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "interesting.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:54:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "Rhondacoca", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474688, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4477172": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Cause it's not the same thing as seeing a 20-30 year olds \"tatas\" ROFL.<br><br>Paul Mooney says that we sistas know the power of a Black breast.  \"That Chocolate Milk's a bitch...\" were his exact words... ROFL", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_02:26:24", "killed": false, "user_key": "CPL", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4476278, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4478199": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Rev. Lowery will most definitely go off half-cocked!!  He's waited too long, worked and prayed too hard to see 01.20.09.  Lowery is going to BRING IT with his benediction.<br><br>Remember his rapping poem going off on W (too his face) at Coretta's funeral?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_05:06:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "60266805bc0d9559a62514e1e769b750", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472342, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4479737": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I would NEVER want to be President. All of this juggling and shuffling and dealing with the self-righteous, the liars and the whiners. Damn! He's not even in office yet.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_08:58:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "heartsandflowers", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474433, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474108": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "<a href=\"http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvYICKJ3TI\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvYICKJ3TI</a><br><br>Father Pflegler, I just want to say, I love you.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:48:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "rorysmomma", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4475133": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Spirit, I love that song. So sexy!<br><br>The PE is showing us how to unite.  I'm with him!", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:55:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474712, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472960": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "It;s an abomination and an insult to all of the black preachers in this country to throw the baby out with Jeremiah Wright's bath water.  He is going to eventually need support across this country and the black pulpit will go silent on him.  Maybe Rick Warren's congregation will support him. Black preachers can shut his support from black people down in a heart beat especially if he wants to go for a second term.  BAD, BAD MOVE.  Where is Michelle to help him?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:30:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "Mythe", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474116": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Yes, hard working white Americans.  This choice reminds me of Palin, MCain, and yes, Hillary's campaign mantra!<br><br>But, I will be present on the National Mall Tuesday January 20, 2008 witnessing BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA get sworn in as our 44th POTUS.<br><br>So, R,W. will deliver the Invocation, Barack will be sworn in as POTUS. For me, that is all that matters, with Michelle, Malia, and Sasha y his side<br><br> I want to see his hand on the Good Book, and the other hand held up. <br><br> I want to hear BHO say:<br><br>\"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.\" <br><br>I hope that President Obama honnors that oath.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:49:20", "killed": false, "user_key": "spirit_55z", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473522, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476165": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "LOL!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! Did you copy and paste that? That was too good. :)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:35:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "CarolinagirlinGA", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4476127, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4475654": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "WRB<br><br>I find it difficult to watch much of  MSM because EVERYTHING is a crisis. <br>Fitzgerald's implication that Obama is not involved in the Blagojevech scandal leads to MSM questions that surpass those directed at a VP who appears to have supported torture.<br><br>Now we have people upset about Rick Warren while GW is burrowing wingnuts in government agencies and changing directives as he heads out the door.  Obama has to deal with that and the major factor, the economy..  That will be the priority.<br><br>Gays know that the public supports repeal of \"Don't ask, Don't tell and having gays serve openly in the military. BUT there is also the fact that the gay marriage proposition failed in California. Gays have the young adults on their side on many issues. In order to get the older adults on their side, there needs to be outreach rather than protest. The GOP is weakened. Obama is doing Gays a favor by inviting Warren et al. The Christian Fundamentalists will come off as unreasonable if they continue their current anti-science, \"my way or the highway\" agenda.<br><br>Stem cells research has produced bronchial tube and urinary bladders. Fundamentalist obstruction to progress will become more and more impotent. Rick warren's invocation is a non-issue. Getting voters who if fully informed would support much of what Gays desire on their side is what needs to be done. Images of protests during what is going to be a historic Inuaguration does nothing.<br><br>Energy born of frustration should be directed at turning more people to understand the desires of Gay Americans which are identical to those of most Americans.<br><br>I see a future in which the Religious Right has less and less influence. In fact with proper public education by Gay activists, I see that future right around the corner.<br><br>To sum up I see MSM  getting aroused by issues that will be resolved by the courts or by the Illinois legislature, and do not involve the Presiden-Elect directly, while overlooking an admission of War crimes. I see some Progressives getting upset by a soon forgotten invocation, and failing to realize why an issue that should have passed in California, wound up going down in defeat.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_00:42:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "518c6ffb44cd125e9b3969a3a0134bd9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4477191": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Uh uh, Miranda. You can't ask no question like that. It's too... revealing.<br><br>Well, it would be if anyone could actually answer it. Thing is, I suspect no one has actually asked it of themselves before ranting and raving.<br><br>I feel overtaken. I better shut up before I say something I can't take back.<br><br>You can't unring a bell.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_02:27:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "CraigHickman", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472861, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4482825": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Yeah, that sentence was as powerful as when Colin talked about the star and crescent tombstone in Arlington, then they showed that mother hugging her son's headstone.<br><br>Heartwrenching.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_11:27:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4480220, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4475153": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Okay, do you remember what he said?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:56:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "fd35c4322b63b2dab06baea3e23047cf", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474851, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476182": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Wow", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:36:40", "killed": false, "user_key": "ca7674498191f49a8a6c3ef33b81ea51", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474252, "depth": 8, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473623": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'm personally not a fan of Rick Warren, and I don't agree with some of his views, but I also don't understand the outrage.  I have a dear friend who thinks that he has remarkable wisdom, and shares his views that I oppose, but at the end of the day, I would have her pray over me in a heartbeat.  <br><br>And I think another reason why this widespread condemnation makes me uncomfortable is because it is eerily familiar to the same outrage the pro-lifers expressed at Warren for inviting Obama to speak at his forum on AIDS because of his pro-choice stance--it just seems that both sides will constantly miss each other if they are not willing to hear each other out, and include each other in debate.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:14:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "ef781b639c890767ebd1ce99011c3afa", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4488324": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "<i>More importantly, who the hell thinks that being an 'experienced' politician is such a credibile thing. Experienced politicians are simply excellent bullshyters who know how to wheel and deal and raise money from special interest groups.</i><br><br>That's it in a nutshell, WhiteRoseBuddy.<br><br>And I need to remind y'all that Kos is Liberal/Progressive FOR PAY.  Anything he can't sprinkle his brand of pixie dust on, he trashes it.  Which explains why he's cozying up to Harold Ford like his new BFF.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_15:55:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "CPL", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4482960, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4480282": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Well said Craig.  It is clearly a political move and so what ?  It is a freaking invocation for gosh sakes.<br><br>This is the olive branch to the religious lunatics who prayed for his demise during the course of the campaign to participate in moving this country forward.  <br><br>You are 100% on point Craig.  100% I wish your comment was posted on every single blog and article.  Excellent.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_09:47:38", "killed": false, "user_key": "Val2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475987, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4511515": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Check your email!<br><br>Thanks!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_19:19:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4496246, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4495132": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Your reality is yours as well Michelle.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_17:45:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4489836, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4528925": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "No WRB I'm not buying it. No one said to not discuss differences either. We are not going to agree but there comes a point where a line has to be drawn. Conflicts will result when people take sides. So I have to step into this now because you are hijacking the conversation and stating your position as being the only legit position. Don't get defensive and combative when others call you on it!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-19_14:35:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "heartsandflowers", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4522139, "depth": 9, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474143": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Girrrl, there is no shame in my game LOL!<br><br>I applaud Obama though, I think it's a classy move...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:50:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "BlackAmericanPrincess", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473967, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4560162": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Steve Elmendorf, a former deputy campaign manager for John Kerry and senior adviser to Dick Gephardt, called it \u201cvery disappointing\u201d that a number of high-quality LGBT candidates had been passed over. \u201cIt\u2019s a very diverse and inclusive cabinet for every community except for the gay and lesbian community,\u201d he said.<br><br>Not that anyone\u2019s counting, but the cabinet as announced/projected at present includes three Latinos, two Asian Americans, one African-American, three women, and, yes, two Republicans.<br><br>Elmendorf observed that the top-tier White House staff doesn\u2019t appear to have any LGBT people in it either. \u201cThat just makes the Rick Warren thing an extra kick in the stomach,\u201d he said.<br><br>Though Elmendorf sympathized with Obama\u2019s big-tent argument about wanting to reach out to evangelicals through Rick Warren, he added, \u201cbut I don\u2019t think [the Obama team] has sent any signals to the gay and lesbian community -- who voted for him overwhelmingly -- that they want to include them.\u201d<br><br>The inaugural committee is touting the participation of the Lesbian and Gay Band Association in the inaugural parade as a symbol of inclusion.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-21_15:51:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "641755076da4a05882ac217aefca2ce9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4512214, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4512987": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I'm still trying to figure out what exactly Rick Warren is supposed to be doing...because I am obviously under the incorrect notion that he was going to be saying a prayer. Apparently he's gonna to be delivering a policy address and afterwards Barack Obama will stand and fully endorse said policy, which will seek to make gays and lesbians 3/5ths humans. I swear....I just thought the man was gonna say a prayer.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_20:47:05", "killed": false, "user_key": "c22bbad359677d681692848d5775fd8b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4491574, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4536100": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "O my...you are so deluded that you think you can decide what is truth?  <br>Your type of delusional paranoid self absorbed confusion does not merit a response.<br><br>All you wish to do as I said previously is demean me.<br><br>You are one sick demented person all because of your sexual desires.<br><br>Unbelievable.<br><br>I will respond if you chose to not agree to disagree..don't think you will silence me.<br><br>And the operative word in what I stated was not access it was pleasure..which is not an object but a feeling.<br><br>People experience pleasure solely on their own, whether there is someone else experiencing it or not...their pleasure is theirs alone.<br><br>Geez.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-19_23:26:24", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4532752, "depth": 12, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4477221": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Monie:   So very WELL SAID!!  THANK YOU!!   :&gt;)<br><br>I'm gonna sit back and <b>ENJOY HIS BIG DAY! </b><br><br> Annnnnnnd, PRAY for HIM and the FAMILY!!   :&gt;)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_02:30:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "GreenLadyHere", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4476524, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4495654": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "whiterosebuddy, you're making something out of nothing (and to my eyes, twisting/distorting reality)in a very obvious way with this comment. On two levels:<br><br>First, in actual lived reality here, Jon <b>is</b> his own arbiter. I have zero actual power over his actual enacted choices. <br><br>So your comment <i>Michelle, how about you allow Jon to be his own arbiter of who he chooses to discuss what topic with</i> is unnecessary at best.<br><br>Second, this is a faux objection when compared to my actual comment: <i>Your personal views are just that...NOT universal.</i>  I not only made no claim to being universal, I clearly and directly stated the opposite in my actual comment more than once:<br><br><i>I had an experience</i><br><br><i>in my opinion</i><br><br><i>I myself personally do not feel</i><br><br><i>I would prefer</i><br><br>And by the way? As long as we're talking? You never actually answered my last comment in the thread I linked to from last month. You posted a special reply comment to me say you would answer it later... but then you never did (unless I didn't see it, but I did look again). <br><br>The comment you said you were going to reply to was the one about sex being a mode of connection between beings to me, rather than some object for disconnected individuals to consume as in your analogies. I would be interested in reading a response from you over there on that thread, and will check back over there later to see if you choose to respond, as you said you would (or please post the link here so I know where it is, if I just missed it)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_18:13:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ec3c0272b87ba5c8ce3a9168cf4e78a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 13, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4494927, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4485415": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Thanks Justice for your kind words!<br><br>I find  strength from the same places that most of us here on JJP and our ancestors brought it from and that is our inner beings.<br><br>I enjoy coming to JJP, because contrary to what a lot of people think, all military members and families do not agree ideologically with republicans.  I NEVER voted for GWBush, was in mourning these past eight years----and yet I stood by my hubby through his decisions to continue to be a servicemember.  Just because Blacks serve does not make them a servant to the ideologues of either party.  And yes, it is true that their lives are incredibly affected by what a President's administration does----but what the military has provided for my husband during his journey in life is bigger than just one President.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_13:33:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "Monie", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4485128, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4479784": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I think Obama is going to drag all of us kicking and screaming into one room so that we collectively have to face each other - unless we want to face the wall - and try to find some common ground. He's not going to pander or coddle anybody!!! I think the sooner we figure this out the calmer we'll all be. For all the hand-wringing, there's still the bulk of red state people that didn't overwhelmingly vote for him and he's continuing to reach out to them.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_09:02:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "heartsandflowers", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474423, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474666": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "No.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:25:40", "killed": false, "user_key": "JJai", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4471595": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I am disappointed in the choice of Warren, because of how he did allow McCain to cheat during the campaign.<br><br>Also, for some reason I  can't quite figure out yet, it just does not sit right with me that Warren is the guy who is ostensibly replacing Wright, had Wright not become such an issue.<br><br>Somehow, this just does not seem right.  I would rather KirbyJohn was the minister or any prominent black minister...but Rick Warren makes me feel somehow we are losing something very important as part of this unprecedented occasion.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_20:21:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 34, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476204": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "well....well alright Brotha Craig<br><br>couldn't have said it better", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:39:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "Texas_Girl_in_LA", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475987, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4512561": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You are so humble. People could learn from it!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_20:19:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "heartsandflowers", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4495766, "depth": 7, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476382": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "LOL!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:58:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4476333, "depth": 6, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4491574": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Goodness! Could the HuffPo headline be any bigger???<br><br>And someone needs to tell Hilary Rosen to STFU seeing as though she supported HRC's race baiting ass.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_17:40:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "Sepia", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 5, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4484233": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Some people did not pay attention to Obama in the general I see lol. Not ref. to the people here of course. Obama is an inclusive and tolerant person who can take certain positive things from people others may not see. We can't fill the administration with yes people and people that only agree with us. Im not in love with the choice but I'm not mad at it. Since we're on the subject of January 20th, I have to say Im not feeling the Aretha F. choice lol! I wish he had another singer. Oh well :)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_12:39:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "245857794a8d4da90a73fbb64352b916", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476218": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "<i>Did you copy and paste that?</i><br><br>heh. No -- I'm good at this right now because I have unfortunately had some \"discussions\" over there with some people who would say stuff like this with a straight (no pun intended) virtual face -- not in the Warren threads, even, just the discussions about Prop 8. <br><br>I would prefer to not be able to <b>still</b> hear the echoes of the tantrums and virtual yelling, but I still can! So I share.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:40:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ec3c0272b87ba5c8ce3a9168cf4e78a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4476165, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4484923": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Yes. I believe that picture touched many hearts! Very powerful!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_13:11:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4482825, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474688": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Oops. I reconsidered. I was just a tad reactionary by saying this decision is an insult. I think its a bad idea and I dont really like the symbolism ( throw out the black church, gospel for the megachurch, powerpoint shows and electric guitar softrock praise). But I realize this was a cynical decision to \"unite America\". Obama go ahead try to unite but dont sell me out. This is just a tiny little signal of whats to come y'all.  I am giving the brotherman the benefit of the doubt but he aint in office already and damn all I have to say is he better go big for healthcare.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:27:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "Trumystique", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4488513": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "LGBT issues are not core human rights just as there is no 'right' to marry.<br><br>The core human rights issue has nothing to do with an individual's sexual choices. That is how gay advocacy attempts to twist and misconstrue all the social issues they protest about. Just as they attempted to say that homosexuality was a 'birthdefect' and not a choice. Both of these are specious arguments and they fall on deaf ears to reasonably logical people as well as religious people. The premise only makes sense if people are emotionally swayed.<br><br>Otherwise, rational individuals understand that LGBT are not denied basic human rights in this society under the law. They are allowed the right as all individuals in this society to be free from discrimination, violence and hate when it comes to housing, education and employment.  <br><br>Warren's views are those of many individuals in the society whether they are religious or not. We have laws against incest and we also have laws against opposite gender siblings from marrying.  So, for LGBT to beleive they are being discriminateed out on the basis of their choice of partner is simply not true as under the law even if the partner is not same gender the law prohibits marriage between the individuals.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_16:03:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4486473, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4481860": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "As a nonchristian, I find the need for any religious leader useless. But I understand the need for prayer, so I accept that it will be a christian prayer. I just hope that it is a true prayer that is about loving one another and taking care of each other.<br><br>and mother earth and our enemies and the animal kingdom and the future generations....", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_10:25:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "Lilytiger", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472265, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4515545": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I've only read a few of the comments, but I have to disagree with those who defend this move. I understand that there are a lot of hypocrites calling foul. I'm not one of them. I'll never forgive Hillary and Bill for the race-baiting. I also know that there are a lot of other instances where we are expected to accept the unacceptable. Still, that doesn't change the fact that this is a bad decision. <br>The problem with Rick Warren isn't just that he supported Prop 8. He compared homosexuality to pedophilia, and he has reportedly said that non-believers shouldn't hold political office. He is a fundamentalist. These people have had unprecedented access to the White House for eight years, and they have had a damaging, prominent position in national politics for at least the last two decades when Reagan took his born again strategy, tied it to the southern strategy and swung his dumb ass into the white house on that knotted, twisted rope. Warren isn't being appointed to anything, he's not in a position to make policy. But I just don't like the idea of making someone who doesn't believe in the separation of church and state--a fundamentalist--a part of this historic event, which is supposed to be about change and progress and all of that good shyt. This would have been a wonderful opportunity to give voice to someone like Jim Wallis. Christian leaders who are not fundamentalists do not get enough face time, and Wallis's participation would have been a better symbol of what Obama has tried to promote, namely, moderation, civility, maturity, the importance of reason, and inclusion. Though Warren is soft spoken and sincere, he is very much a fundamentalist. I think this is a mistake and a squandered opportunity.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_23:40:41", "killed": false, "user_key": "323c403567da85813d6236448c288525", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4482375": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\" I say get off the cross. Somebody else needs the wood.\"--Craig, I gotta give it to you! I am sooooooooo ready to steal this line!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_11:02:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "f9aaa8acc43fd7620185ff90cef3c05a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475987, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473228": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Totally unacceptable; this is an outrage", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:44:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "Mythe", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473175, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4471628": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Rick Warren opposed embryonic stem-cell research.  I recently lost a loved one to a disease that may have been curable if embryonic stem-cell research had not been slowed down by George W. Bush in August , 2001.  <br>Now I can understand Obama reaching out to all kinds of people, because the economy is falling fast, and will be even worse by January 20, and the country really needs help.  If Obama snubs Rick Warren, it won't bring back to life the peopole who could have been helped by stem-cell research. <br>So I can understand Obama building bridges to all kinds of people.  But I'm not happy with Obama's choice of Rick Warren, or Hillary Clinton.  What's next: Obama having lunch with Louis Farrakhan and David Duke?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_20:23:58", "killed": false, "user_key": "0ac343e6c4318c6c1357f53a334d4088", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474189": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Rick Warren is not a moral leader. He forgot that what you do to the least of us you do to Jesus. This is a bad idea and an insult. I know why Obama is doing this but its a purely calculated and cynical move.<br><br>Did Rick Warren Do Enough to Stop Torture? <a href=\"http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/12/rick-warren-and-bushs-torture.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/12...</a><br>One of the great unwritten stories of the Bush years is why religious leaders remained so quiet on torture. Most conservative Christian leaders were mum.<br><br>Rick Warren, a.k.a. America's Pastor, did make a statement against torture a couple of years ago but I was curious whether he did anything beyond that. Here's what he said in the new interview with Beliefnet and The Wall Street Journal:<br><br>    BELIEFNET- You issued a statement a couple of years ago condemning torture.<br><br><br>    WARREN - I'm totally against torture.<br><br>    BELIEFNET- Do you think this was a profound moral failing of the Bush administration?<br><br>    WARREN - Well I don't know exactly how they defined torture....<br><br>    BELIEFNET- John McCain thinks they did torture.<br><br>    WARREN - Well, and you know what - some of the stuff I saw looking at Guantanamo looks like clearly it was torture. To me, if you torture someone, you put yourself no better than the enemy. We must maintain the moral highground. You have no right to condemn the immoral actions of others if we're doing the same thing. And we should expect that others will torture our people if we're torturing them.<br><br>    BELIEFNET- Did you ever talk to President Bush to try to convince him to change his policy?<br><br>    WARREN - No. No.<br><br>    BELIEFNET- Why not?<br><br>    WARREN -- Never got the chance. I just didn't. In fact, in the first place, I'm a pastor, and people might misunderstand - I don't deal with policy issues with Barack Obama or President Clinton or John McCain. I just don't. that's not my role. My role is to pastor these guys. As a leader I understand stress.<br><br>    And even when I disagree with positions they hold, they've got plenty of political advisors. They don't need me to be a political advisor. I'm not a pundit. I'm not a politician and that's why I don't take sides. But I am a pastor. And I can deal with \"how's your family doing? How's your stress level doing?\"<br><br>    BELIEFNET- But you said you did talk to Barack Obama about his position on abortion so why wouldn't you have talked to Bush about torture?<br><br>    WARREN - I just didn't have the opportunity. It's actually...[Warren was talking to the Democratic caucus] and Barack actually brought it up [abortion]...<br><br>He says torture is deeply immoral and that the Bush administration did appear to torture - but declines to describe the Bush policy as a moral failing. He says he didn't mention his views on torture because (implausibly) he didn't have the opportunity. Then he said it was inappropriate for him to raise it with Bush because he only offers spiritual support.<br><br>It seems to me that Warren is still trying to figure out how and when to exert influence. He can steer entirely clear of controversial issues, playing a purely pastoral role. Or he can be a moral leader advocating for or against causes. But if he weighs in on behalf of some caues -- opposing gay marriage and abortion, for instance -- then he can't well say it would have been inappropriate to campaign harder against torture.<br><br>It should be noted: Though I'm chiding Warren for not doing more, he actually went farther than most religious conservatives. Shouldn't there be a certain amount of soul-searching going on among religious conservatives on this issue -- especially now that it's become clear that the administration they supporpted authorized, layed the groundwork for, and in some cases, directly encouraged torture?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:54:09", "killed": false, "user_key": "Trumystique", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4475732": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "LOL<br><br>Co-Sign!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_00:49:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475501, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4495502": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Whiterose<br><br>I need to talk to you about an issue. I would love to hear your input on it!<br><br>How can I get in touch?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_18:04:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4490636, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4496214": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "<i>Ah I see you're keeping the fires burning! What's up?</i><br><br>You mean with the dkos stuff or in general? Or just saying hi?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_18:44:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ec3c0272b87ba5c8ce3a9168cf4e78a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4479661, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474711": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "i'm fine. i just get sick and tired of the settling mentality that black people are infected with. jews, hispanics, asians, etc. keep pushing and making demands and as a result, make progress. we don't do that and we wonder why we're not doing better despite the fact that we've been here longer and damn near built this country. the limitations mind set is killing us.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:28:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "a1a6fe07d6a55171eab9c48ea6c85fe5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474369, "depth": 9, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474712": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "rikyrah, thanks for the linkup.  PEO is a SMOOTH OPERATOR.<br><br><a href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efdfGeUKXuU\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efdfGeUKXuU</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:28:58", "killed": false, "user_key": "spirit_55z", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474267, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4536665": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Fair enough, poor phrasing on my part.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-20_00:01:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "JonPincus", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4536485, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4475194": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Lord help them when it comes their turn to meet their Maker!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_00:00:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474949, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473182": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I was hoping for father Pflegler.  Oh well, can't have it all...LOL", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:41:24", "killed": false, "user_key": "rorysmomma", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 6, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474207": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You mean Don Magic Wand....?  That Don Juan?<br><br>Frankly, I would rather listen out for Reverend Lowery.   These other preachers are only out for the cash money.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:54:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "blksista", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473931, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473186": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Listen, my comment was not an opening for you to follow this line of argument. I have seen your posts and I do not share your view that the cabinet should be chock full of African Americans. I am very proud of the diverse cabinet that he has assembled and could not be more pleased that he has chosen some African Americans to be at his side. We have an African American president so don't get greedy now, sweetie! Pace yourself...<br><br>T.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:40:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "d6755b31010b50fc47eac9ee8b3bb319", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 8, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472942, "depth": 6, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4480315": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "excellent post.  EXCELLENT", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_09:49:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "Val2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475888, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4484964": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The hilarious part of all the outrage about Warren is that, it wasn't Obama who pick him it was a bipartisan Congressional committee in charge of planning the inauguration who chose warren. I apologize if someone else mentioned this. I'm too lazy to read to the end of the thread.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_13:13:38", "killed": false, "user_key": "malletgirl02", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473189": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "What Shaw Kenawe stated!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:41:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472278, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474218": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I am over at Daily Kos and they are pissed, but the diary is about how Obama is NOT in charge of the preparation of the Inauguration, but a bi-partisan group is.  Anyway, there are huge issues in front of us, we need to be smart in picking the battles to win, Warren is providing huge handwringing, for a 2 minute stunt.  IMO<br><br><a href=\"http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/17/195019/24/45/674244\" rel=\"nofollow\">Diary here</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:56:08", "killed": false, "user_key": "icebergslim", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 2, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473707": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Blksista,<br><br>I thought T.D. Jakes would come out and defend the black church when MSM was trying to derail PEO Campaign with Rev Wright clips practically running 24/7 daily. I even called the Potter's House and someone there told me...T.D. Jakes didn't want to get involved.**Gasp**!  Well, I could have been knocked over with a feather.  I thought...OMG!  What has happened to the black ministers?  Are they suddenly afraid to speak up?  I'm still shaking my head on that!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:19:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473422, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4512622": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Not sure how you ever conceived of sex as an object.<br><br>Individuals engage in sex, it is an act. Not an object.<br><br>Sex can not be consumed. It is an act that can be engaged in, not consumed.<br><br>Individuals engage in actions by choice.<br><br>Anyone who conceives/perecieves of sex as an object has spiritual dissonance.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_20:23:19", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 5, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4511973, "depth": 8, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4512114": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Well people misconstrue that bit of Biblical verse all the time. The husband is supposed to love the wife the way God loves the church (people).  People have no concept of what that is. Also I don't equate submitting (not working against) as subservience (being a doormat).", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_19:51:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "heartsandflowers", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4486764, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4471668": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "You and I agree on this, WhiteRoseBuddy.  I don't like the message Obama's sending by selecting Rick Warren.  It's as if he's saying you can mistreat him and be rewarded for it.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_20:25:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "CPL", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 17, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4471595, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476278": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Girl, we betta pray there is no wardrobe malfunction.   I pray for Aretha's spagheeti straps everytime I see her.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:47:08", "killed": false, "user_key": "rorysmomma", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 5, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4476186, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4483960": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "it's a matter of principal.  sure there's reaching out, bringing different voices in, etc.  however, this selection should not have been made as a matter of prinicple.  <br><br>At some point in the election season though, principle seems to have gotten confused with the dirty word of the season--ideology.  So it seems as if one actually stands on principle, one is accused of being an ideologue.  As the old saying goes, \"you have to stand on something, or else you will fall for anything.\"  I just hope that's not the direction people are trying to drive us in when talking about tolerance & reaching out, being a pragmatist.  You can do all of that and still maintain principles.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_12:25:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "488e8a8c93b64d13788705482d773f70", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4495225": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Michelle, what is your problem?<br>Are you afraid that people like yourself can't handle the truth?<br>You try so hard to claim you are such an open minded person but the truth is you are just like a GrandWizard seeking to shut down discourse.<br><br>Everyone who comes to this board has the right to discuss any issue. Your views should never be the determinant of what is discussed.<br><br>Because you are wrong and incapable of prevailing in a rationale argument doesn't mean you should use infantile temper tantrums to shut down discussion.<br>What a sore loser you are.<br><br>O that's right....you think being gay makes you special and entitled.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_17:50:36", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4489741, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4482623": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Me too", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_11:15:34", "killed": false, "user_key": "MsKitty", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4476016, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4477309": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I didn't vote for Clinton either time. Nor did I vote for his opponent.<br><br>And despite him being president, my life was and is good. I'm blessed, not bragging. I guess I'm one of those people who don't really need a president. I'm not wealthy, but I'm far from the struggling artist I was in the 90s.<br><br>By and large, presidents don't affect my actual day-to-day life that much. I'm not in the military so....<br><br>Bush makes me feel murderous, but even after 8 years of darkness, he hasn't snuffed out the light around here.<br><br>I would imagine that only a great president could affect my daily life. But there have been no great presidents in my lifetime, so I'm speculating.<br><br>Barack Obama has all the necessary ingredients to be a great president. If he can operate freely enough to become one.<br><br>We'll see.<br><br>If Barack can spread his wings, he'll make Bill Clinton look like a bench warmer. <br><br>I don't agree with all Barack's choices (and I have to say aloud that I find all references to Kool Aid drinking beyond offensive because they conjure tragedy and there is simply no tragedy whatsoever in seeing past a man's faults whether you agree with him or not), but I simply can't take those decisions I don't like personally for more than a minute. It's a waste of energy. <br><br>I'd rather make a cheesecake, walk the dog, write a poem.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_02:40:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "CraigHickman", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473310, "depth": 3, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4479358": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This should be the invocation right here.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_08:15:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "c22bbad359677d681692848d5775fd8b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475987, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4496258": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Just saying hello!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_17:47:17", "killed": false, "user_key": "heartsandflowers", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4496214, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4471683": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "It's also like Obama is additionally saying he can't find any prominent Black Pastors, not named Creflo or Eddie Long.  &lt;&lt;&lt;side eye&gt;&gt;&gt;", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_20:27:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "CPL", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 11, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4471595, "depth": 1, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4471684": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "STOP. PLAYIN'.  Reverend  Dr. Joseph E. Lowery.  <br><br>Rev. Lowery  has got to be in the mix somewhere.  HE.JUST.HAS.TO.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_20:27:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "isonprize", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4489605": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "And I appreciate the response, but while I made no assumptions about you personally, I stand by what I said - if Obama invites anti-Semites to participate in his inauguration I will be screaming my head off, because its one thing to try to unify - its another when you're inviting people across the lines who have NO INTENTION of being as conciliatory as Obama is.<br><br>I was also referring to the fact that if you've read any of my posts, I have been as critical of Obama's decisions as I have been in praise of them.  The choice of Warren doesn't sit well with me; it never will, because he was trying to aid McCain by helping him cheat, and trying to trap and sandbag Obama.  Obama attended the debate in good-faith, expecting Rick Warren to be what he held himself out to be, and Warren came off looking like a kinder, gentler version of James Dobson and Tim LaHaye, not to mention, blatantly partisan.  By the same standard, if, after the antics of Sarah Palin's KKK campaign rallies, Warren could continue to support McCain, he was willing to support a ticket that represented bigotry in its purest form, because McCain nor Palin did anything to ask their supporters to tone it down.<br><br>I will state this again - if gays want people of color to be sympathetic to their concerns, they need to start seeing what we've dealt with for almost 500 years.  This is not to say their being subjected to discrimination or bigotry is any less painful that what we have endured, but to flame at Obama for this is like demanding Obama do what they want ON CUE.  Hell, Obama isn't even doing what Black People want ON CUE, and we don't expect him to - so where do the Kossacks, and those on AmericaBlog get off?  I can understand their anger and they are well-entitled to it - but how can they be bigoted towards us as well, but we're expected to be sympathetic when they're discriminated against?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_16:45:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "CPL", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 8, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4489274, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4479366": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "YOU JUST MADE MY DAY!!!! LOLOL...I LOVED THE RANT!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_08:16:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "c22bbad359677d681692848d5775fd8b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4476218, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4511553": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Michelle, if you have not figured this out yet...I found your personal attacks off putting. Yes, I had said I was going to reply. With more thought I realized you were more interested in putting me into some box that you could neatly label and categorize as opposed to discussing a different perspective. I found your need to describe my expressing a wll thought out and rational personal opinion as a pathology a really twisted need on your part to affirm your own deviant choices. You want to silence people like me.<br><br>Your need to control other people's responses reinforces that. I find your way of expressing yourself to be dogmatic and devious as you attempt to control the world around you. Expressing an opinion on a thread and doing so in a way that you have no well reasoned rebuttal for does not license you to solicit others to not respond to me nor to smear me with innuendo and character attacks. It is the oldest trick in the world...shoot the messenger. And it speaks to the weakness of your belief system.<br><br><br>I have an opinion. Obviously, there are many here who hold opposing opinions. That is no reason for what you have gone out of your way to do in terms of characterizing me & somehow seeking to direct all others as to not engage me in a discussion. I find that cowardly on your part. After all, you can simply scroll by opinions you oppose. But not you, your need for control is so paramount that you have to create a gang mentality where folks are suppose to fall in line and do as you 'know best'  I find that insulting and I will not engage it. It is childish. You respond like the kid on the playground who takes their bat and ball and goes home to stop the game because if they can't win, no one will. Very juvenile. <br><br>O you try to dress it up as some sophisticated mature response with all your  psychobabble grade school simplistic psychology  but it is very transparent that you can't handle the reality of your choices when it comes to individuals like myself who strongly oppose your arrogance and unwillingness to subjugate adult desires while seeking to shape children to engage in the same narcissitic delusions. <br><br>Bottomline I  do not support people with your mindset  & sexual conduct raising children, because you put yourself before them.<br><br>I believe the spiritual dissonance you feel based on your sexual conduct is because you are completely out of seek with the universe and all your clamoring to change the universe to your personal view is in vain.<br><br>I did not nor do not  condemn you as a person nor seek to advocate any discrimination against you. However, I do not believe that you or a lesbian partner would be a good role model for any children. I will fight for your rights as an individual human being to be treated with dignity and respect and  just like I feel about public drunkeness I will fight just as hard to crush any rights you think you have based on your sexual conduct.<br><br>Further, based on your mean-spirited egotistical posts directing others how to act exclusionary in  response towards my posts, I believe that your thinking is the anti-thesis of motherhood and it would be extremely detrimental for any children to develop their own individual psyche under your guidance.<br><br><br><br>I have no compassion  for  those who are intolerant while seeking tolerance.<br><br>Thus, I will pray that no one ever allows you to have or raise children.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_19:21:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 12, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4495654, "depth": 6, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474252": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "i probably should have replied to CPL but i'm sick of being attacked for having a damn opinion that runs counter to the Obama hero worship on this board. you're whole \"don't get greedy\" mindset is the problem with many black people.  why are we only satisfied with crumbs when we are entitled to a meal? just because we got a black president means i'm supposed to be satisfied? screw that! hispanics lobbied and damn near demanded that obama put hispanics in his cabinet (google it if you're not too lazy) and look what it got them. what do we do? not a damn thing because we're just so happy to see a black face in the white house that we just get besides ourselves and basically say \"whew lawd, we's got a black president, i's happy now.\" like i said in my \"whacked\" posts before, the cabinet, just like the choice of rick warren, sends a message to people, and the lack of AAs in the cabinet, in my opinion, sends a jacked up message the the 95% of black people that put Obama in office. i'm in the minority here obviously here, but i'd actually like to see to more qualified, competent black people in power and i'm not going to apologize for that!!! you would think that more of us would feel the same but if you go by this board, i guess not. silly me, i thought maybe a black president would expand his pool to look at those who are often overlooked but i was wrong and i'm disappointed. also i never said his cabinet should be chock full of african-americans nor did I expect that.  i don't have some magical number in mind but 1 definitely is not acceptable. the problem is that we accept limits, more so than any of group of people. that's probably why we have the problems we have now. we got a black man as president. that's fine. what about a black woman president some time in the near future? oh no, i have to pace myself and don't want to get greedy. good god.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:58:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "a1a6fe07d6a55171eab9c48ea6c85fe5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 6, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473186, "depth": 7, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4477326": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "T.D. Jakes is a....<br><br>(Shut your mouth.)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_02:42:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "CraigHickman", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473422, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4482960": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I also have to take Kos in spurts.  I sometimes feel there is a lot of 'entitled' progressive mindset too frequently expressed.  The righteous outrage gets old.<br><br>Like this Caroline Kennedy thing.  I am like, how in the hell is holding political office 'qualifications' for being a US Senator.  I do not recall that being in the Constitution.<br><br>More importantly, who the hell thinks that being an 'experienced' politician is such a credibile thing.  Experienced politicians are simply excellent bullshyters who know how to wheel and deal and raise money from special interest groups.<br><br>That is the kind of experience you do not need to hold elected office for. Anyone who has every raised money for any group or volunteered to do service for a worthy cause understands those dynamics quite well.<br><br>Thos Kos folks got on my nerve talking about she was leap frogging over folks as if holding elected office is some kind of guaranteed route to another elected position.  I say NUH-UH...career politicians is the last thing we need and that is why the founding fathers did not make holding a prior elected office a prerequisite for any political position.<br><br>They understood, it is knowing the people's interests, that matters most.<br><br>And on that Caroline is well qualified. She has spent her life dedicated to furthering the best interest of children and raising money for education.<br><br>If you ask me there is no higher cause then doing what you can to ensure that children reach their fullest potential.<br><br>Kos and them need to STFU!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_11:34:58", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 8, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4482549, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4477336": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Town:  <b>YOU JUST SPEAK!!</b>   THANK YOU!!   :&gt;)   :&gt;)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_02:43:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "GreenLadyHere", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474824, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4482450": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Co-sign 100% on this.  I'm way to the left of Obama, and no doubt this time next year I'll be cussing him out on a regular basis with everybody else.  But in the meantime, I'm willing to hold my fire until he takes office and actually starts enacting policy.  Also, it wasn't just us progressives that got Obama into office but a wide swath of independents, conservatives, disgruntled Republicans going out on a limb, etc.  The only way he can effectively govern is reach out to all those groups, even those on the hated far right.<br><br>Also, like I said yesterday there are too many other things going haywire in this country at the moment for me to be all hung up on something that ultimately isn't going to impact me or mine one way or the other.  Sorry, but it's true.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_11:06:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "MsKitty", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4476524, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474259": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "AMEN", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:58:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "icebergslim", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474072, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4471700": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Yes, but don't you also think we should have some rolling cadences in the invocation, and not just the same ol same ol 'frozenchosen' language?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_20:28:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 15, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4471668, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476310": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "It's not how you start out but how you finish.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:51:09", "killed": false, "user_key": "rorysmomma", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4471718, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4515223": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'm confused because I believe from what I've heard from Obama and Biden is that they have empathy for the LGBT \"community\" and intend to do everything they can for full gay civil rights.  I do not agree with CPL's remark that \"if gays want people of color to be sympathetic to their concerns, they need to start seeing what we've dealt with for almost 500 years.\"  We've all been around this old planet a long time.  But CPL is right in that the majority rules.  I don't believe this guy with the antiquated views showed up on the roster purposefully with malice and I ascribe none to the President Elect.  Sidenote:  Michelle, it is an honor to read your concise, compassionate remarks.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_23:16:17", "killed": false, "user_key": "jonster", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4486473, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4471704": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I understand he closes out the Inauguration.  But I still don't like the fact that Rick Warren is in the Mix, especially after allowing McCain to cheat during the Christian debates.<br><br>Before that, I thought Rick Warren was the least harmless of the fundie crowd.  He showed how partisan his ass really is with that Christian debate stunt.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_20:28:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "CPL", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4471684, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474267": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Color me shocked from Skeptical Brotha:<br><br>The Purpose Driven Invocation<br><br><a href=\"http://skepticalbrotha.wordpress.com/2008/12/17/the-purpose-driven-invocation/#comment-44192\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://skepticalbrotha.wordpress.com/2008/12/17...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:00:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "rikyrah", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4475292": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Exactly. I leave my comments below 10 words unless I have something silly and light to talk about. I was tired of gettng attacked.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_00:08:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "Rhondacoca", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475003, "depth": 9, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4512674": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Dark Sith ran off like the little biyatch he truly is! Black people we need to start vetting and evaluating who our REAL ALLIES are BY THEIR ACTIONS!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_20:26:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "heartsandflowers", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4489130, "depth": 7, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4522139": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Excuse me? Heartsandflowers...what criteria are you using to claim I am intolerant and hateful? You seem to assume that I have no right to stand up for my own belief as if embracing deviant sexual conduct is the only way to be tolerant. Well, you are wrong. <br><br>I applied the concept of LOVING people. I am not proselytizing hate or condemnation of any human being. I am however, forcefully, righteously and vociferously denouncing and rejecting deviant sexual conduct as a premise for marriage or raising children.  I do so as strongly as those who support it...and if your view is not hatred of me and my opinions then neither is mine hatred of any individual.<br><br>If you were able to comprehend what I said, you would understand that black people lose their children all the time due to irresponsiblity and self-hatred behaviors!!<br><br>Furthermore, you would also comprehend that being black is not the reason for self-hatred and irresponsiblity ...i.e. it is not inherent on the basis of race, just as homosexuality is not inherrent.<br><br>Rather, INDIVIDUALS choose to CONDUCT themselves in ways that irresponsible and filled with self-hatred, delusions and narcissitic denials.<br><br>Those individuals, regardless of race and if they are perpetuating homosexuality do NOT have any business raising childfen...just like alcoholics, addicts, thieves, and murderers don't.<br><br>My disagreeing with people does not mean I am disrespectful.  What you seem to think is that I have to be silent  to be respectful and that is completely false.  In fact, it is the reason I speak out. NO ONE gets to SILENCE anyone because they DISAGREE.<br><br>If you were fully embracing of the 'LOVING' concept you would understand that and respected me for voicing my opinion. Further, you would have admonished Michelle for trying to create a ganglike mentality with other posters to act exclusionary.<br><br>I did not advocate excluded Michelle she advocated exclusionary towards me...and it is you who bought into her hate under some auspice of 'respecting' her choice.<br><br>What hypocrisy on your part.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-19_11:00:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4512490, "depth": 8, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4471718": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I don't like Warren either. But, isn't Lowery going to do the benediction? <br><br>I'm with CPL - Wallis of Sojourners would be a better choice.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_20:29:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "rikyrah", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4471595, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4471719": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Yeah, I do.  But I already said Obama can't be seen as being \"too sympathetic\" to us Black folks, because the whites who voted for him might get their knickers in a knot.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_20:30:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "CPL", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 13, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4471700, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4484508": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Nice to see that you made it out alive, MsKitty", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_12:51:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "Texas_Girl_in_LA", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4483237, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4489130": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Yep.  Saw it up close and personal at Netroots Nation Conference this past summer.  Kos and Harold were like a cute couple on their first date - the promoted \"debate\" came off as nothing but a bullshyt love fest, where Harold wasn't allowed to catch hell from real progressives while he was allowed to stand on that stage and talk about how \"proud\" he was of his representation in Memphis.<br><br>You KNOW someone was waiting to get in his ass for that comment; thanks to Kos, we didn't get the opportunity.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_16:26:38", "killed": false, "user_key": "CPL", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4488642, "depth": 6, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476333": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "tee hee...<br><br>Ya'll better leave Re Re alone", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:52:38", "killed": false, "user_key": "Texas_Girl_in_LA", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4476278, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4475311": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "It is DC, it is.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_00:10:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "Rhondacoca", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474711, "depth": 10, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4487752": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "RAOTFL", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_15:29:25", "killed": false, "user_key": "Val2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4480468, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4613555": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "well said. :)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-24_14:56:51", "killed": false, "user_key": "e1b3155f9cf4abe9531b70e380ae7c60", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4488821, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473781": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Well we've seen this with his cabinet picks.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:24:22", "killed": false, "user_key": "faba19c60bc49948a7a5801b50c79fe1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4471668, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473270": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Let the focus of our angst stay on the decision to choose Rick Warren to commence the ceremonies, OK? Because this supposed 'man of God' does not share our values and selecting him is an affront to most, if not all, of the Democratic base.<br><br>Now if you're looking for a black religious leader, Dr. Lowery will do the benediction. That's alright by me.<br><br>T.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:47:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "d6755b31010b50fc47eac9ee8b3bb319", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472960, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474807": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'd rather see him dining with Castro and Hugo Chavez, than try to curry favor with the likes of \"Christian\" Pastors like Rick Warren.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:34:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "CPL", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474067, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4486073": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I really love hearing your thoughts, Monie.<br><br>Please continue to share with us.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_14:04:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "Texas_Girl_in_LA", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4485415, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4513781": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I wish I could articulate how I feel about  this topic better, but why should I when Al Giordano at The Fieldsays what I want to say, but better.<br><br>Ya'll really should read this post, it is basically what a lot of people from this site are saying.  Here's a little piece, but ya'll should read the whole post:<br><br><a href=\"http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/you-dont-get-inclusion-calling-exclusion#comments\" rel=\"nofollow\">Al Giordiano, The Field: You Don't Get Inclusion by Calling for Exclusion<br></a><br><br><br>\"...There are new rules, folks. The tired 1970s academic tactics of seeking to censor and ban others from speaking because of political disagreements are over. Stick a fork in 'em. They're done.<br><br>The objection to Warren is that he opposed gay marriage through California's Proposition 8. Well, guess what? So did a slight majority of Californians. Should they be disinvited to the inaugural, too?<br><br>We're not talking about a policy position here. It's a fucking prayer, that's all...you don't win inclusion in society by campaigning for exclusion of others\"", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_21:35:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "fd35c4322b63b2dab06baea3e23047cf", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4488642": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Kos is cozying up to Harold Ford? If he is doing that,then he has no business with the \"more progressive than thou\"  game.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_16:09:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "malletgirl02", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4488324, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4513220": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Whiterosebuddy, I'm confused, YOU are the one using analogies that sex is an object to be consumed. <br><br>You wrote about access to sex as being like access to drugs, alcohol, ice cream and pie. Those were your metaphors (or whatever that is, similes, analogies?)<br><br>Or -- maybe this is just semantics. Maybe to you the object is whatever the physical feeling of sex is, and sex is the act of getting it. To me this is basically the same thing I am objecting to and sickened by.<br><br><i>Anyone who conceives/perecieves of sex as an object has spiritual dissonance.</i><br><br>We agree on this, on the face of that statement. But if you feel that way, why do you write about sex (or the experience of sex or whatever that is) as if analogous to objects to be consumed?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_21:00:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ec3c0272b87ba5c8ce3a9168cf4e78a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4512622, "depth": 9, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473287": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Me neither Justice...I don't think that is it at all.<br><br>Matter of fact, the more I thought about it I began to understand how gracious Obama is being. Obama said the night of his acceptance in Grant Park, that he intended to be the President of not just those who voted for him but to the 46% who didn't.<br><br>And so, I understand his reaching how to a man who is clearly the 'moral leader' to the millions who voted against Obama. This is very key to Obama being able to lead this nation and for those Americans to feel included in a way that most of us did not these pass 8 years.<br><br>Obama understands the politics and power of inclusion.  And you know what?  I am deciding right here and now to have a big heart to because you know what....WE WON!!   Damnit we won. <br><br>And that feels a helluva lot better than in Dec 200 & 2004...when I was dejected and filled with despair following Gore and Kerry's lost.<br><br>Maybe, those folks that will be happy to see Rick Warren, are feeling just like I did then.  And you know what, if having Warren speak is all I have to give up over the next 8 years (hopefully)) then I can be MAGNANIMOUS!!!<br><br>So, let Rick Warren speak...let him say what he wants on this historic occassion, let's pray he reaches some of those hearts and moves them enough to get behind this Presidency, because we need all the help we can get.<br><br>In the meantime, I am go 'catch the spirit' listening to Lowery, Retha and Stevie!!<br><br>All of whom are going to be there for the momentous occassion as well.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:48:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "whiterosebuddy", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472986, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474824": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "6 MINUTES after the invocation, everyone will have forgotten about it.  Everyone will be talking about what Michelle wore or how cute the girls were or how smooth Obama was.  NOBODY will be talking about Rick Warren except the people lathering themselves up into a foam about it.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:35:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "Town", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474005, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472265": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I have already stated my position on this in the day thread and even hours later, I am extremely unhappy. At his very core PE Obama is a coalition builder, and we all knew that he would make some unpopular decisions, but inviting Rick Warren, that loathsome creature, to offer the invocation at the inaugural ceremony is mind-boggling. I always felt that in his quest to make everyone just get along, PE Obama is going to over-reach and piss off his base and he won't be able to pacify them when that happens. I don't think that time is now but tone-deaf decisions like these suggest that it's inevitable.<br><br>Part of my fury stems from the fact that we just seem to be kissing GOP ass so that they won't make trouble for us when we assume the reins of government on January 20th. I watched last week as Dodd and Reid heaped undeserved praise on Bob Corker after his blatant attempt to break the UAW, and America's auto industry, in an effort to advantage the foreign automotive companies in the South. Bile rose in the back of my throat.<br><br>This Rick Warren thing begs this question - If PE Obama starts accommodating the right-wing now, where will it stop? These people do not see reason. So, is he feeding the beast - the GOP beast?<br><br>T.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:07:51", "killed": false, "user_key": "d6755b31010b50fc47eac9ee8b3bb319", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4536333": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "It's been done.<br><br><a href=\"http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-hirshman/we-call-on-you-lord-leake_b_152476.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-hirshman/we...</a>", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-19_23:45:34", "killed": false, "user_key": "CraigHickman", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4514181, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472226": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Okay. I might be putting my head out on the chopping block but....here it goes. Maybe PEO is stating we don't have to fight fire with fire on his choice of Rick Warren. Where does one get fighting fire with fire? It's love that win people over.  Hatred stirreth up strifes but love covereth all sins. Rick Warren may have allowed McCain to cheat but that doesn't mean PEO has to be hard-hearted against him. Didn't he promise change in the White House?  Maybe Rick Warren will see things differently by having PEO reaching out in kindness to him. What better way to say...see, you did me wrong but I am not like that!   I'm just saying....", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:05:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 7, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472270": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I can't get with Rick Warren either but I'm not too stressed considering Joe Lowry will be giving the benediction and Aretha THE QUEEN will be singing, and Yo Yo Ma will be performing as well. It looks like there's a little bit for everyone to love and hate.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:08:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "Ladyvenoms", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476367": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I want rE RE to listen.  Shoot, Janet Jackson showing a little nipple is one thing.....ReRe is old enough to be my Grandma, and it is the inauguration after all..... Yall better check her.  Maybe her fur will cover the tata's", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:56:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "rorysmomma", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4476333, "depth": 6, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4512208": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Oh, you are so wrong for that!<br><br>Who will the FCC fine if we have another incident?", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_19:56:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "Honey01", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475501, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4475345": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Rhonda,<br><br>You don't think folks have spoken to her?<br><br>Come on. <br><br>But, she's Aretha. She does what she wants. <br><br>It's her world. We just live in it.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_00:12:45", "killed": false, "user_key": "rikyrah", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475111, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4488659": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Jon, as a fellow Jew and also a lesbian, I suggest you carefully read and take in what CPL wrote in reply, below. It's very much on point IMO.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_16:10:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ec3c0272b87ba5c8ce3a9168cf4e78a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4486153, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4480468": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Remember the great puma shakedown at the convention? <br><br>Er...no? Well, exactly. Same people, same result. <br><br>This reminds me wehn Desmond Tutu went to Canada. He toured some First Natoners reservations and heard their cried of injustice. He said, (paraphrasing)...you know, your really have it pretty good for indeginous people....maybe you should look around the world abit and see what real oppression is,<br><br>It is possible that a little of this may be going on.<br><br><a href=\"http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/05/28/101-being-offended/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/05/28/101-...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_10:00:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "Lilytiger", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474460, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473813": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "That's what I'm talking about!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_22:25:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "Justice58", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4473522, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472278": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I've been for Barack Obama since his debut in 2004, when I believed he would be the next president.  I supported him with work and $$$$$.  And will continue to do so.  I believe in him with all my heart.  I don't understand this Pastor Warren choice.  I don't.  But I will hold off any further criticism.  Perhaps President-elect Obama knows more about national healing than I do.  And perhaps he's more forgiving than I am.  I defer to his choice and hope for the best.<br><br>What else can I do?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:08:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "4e71c29425fe036f50b45c6cad622b57", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4513240": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Taylor Marsh has been looking for her \"out\" for a while now...this is it. I suspect there are many others just like her. They pretended to be on board with Obama after it was clear Billary just wasn't gonna get it, but everytime there is even a hint of anything remotely, microscopically controversial surrounding the President-elect, they waste NO time in bringing up how Hillary would handle it, how the Clintons would have handled it, all the while criticizing every move Obama makes no matter what it is...they jump on a soapbox faster than the right-wing. Frankly, I am seeing no difference between the far right-wing evangelicals and the far left-wing progressives.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_21:01:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "c22bbad359677d681692848d5775fd8b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4489731, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474841": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Let them MELT DOWN into Oblivion, while the Republicans with common sense regain their foothold in the party.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:35:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "CPL", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474054, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4475357": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "My first reaction was Hell No! Not Rick Warren that supercilious b... And then I stopped my nonChristian and noncharitable thoughts. I dont agree with Rick Warren on some very important issues, and I dont trust him. Frankly I am not sure anyone who seems to commodify and consumerize faith like he does can be trusted (get the moneychanger out of the temple...) <br><br>But alas when I took a deep breath I am so clear on why Obama did this. I dont like this and I am hoping this is not the beginning of a long list of symbols or policy decisions that I wont like. But if Obama is trying to collect the political coins that he will need for all that political capital- HE BETTER SPEND IT ON SOMETHING BIG!!!", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_00:13:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "Trumystique", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475122, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4473310": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Chris Chambers:<br><br><i>It's power politics. O man knows he can do anything and black folks and gays will have no choice to support him. What's the alternative?</i><br><br>This is EXACTLY how Clinton was able to frame his program, and look where it got us...<br><br>Obama, you can do better.  Like someone else said, <i>quit feeding the beast.</i>  They ain't for you.  Wasn't for you then, and won't be for you later.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:50:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "blksista", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472815, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4536485": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Stop it.<br><br>Please.<br><br>There is to LGBTQ community \"as a whole\" just like there's no Black community \"as a whole\" and some of us belong to both, and BOTH can piss us off in their self-indulgence and ludicrity at times.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-19_23:55:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "CraigHickman", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4489274, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4479457": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "YEP!!! Exactly!!!! And its the benediction too??? OH Lawd...I can hear the moaning coming from the old Tuskegee Airmen or the Little Rock Nine......<br>\"Sumtiiiiiiiiimes I feel........like a motherless child......IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII said.....sumTIIIIIIIIIIIIIMes I feel........like motherless child....................\"", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_08:26:36", "killed": false, "user_key": "c22bbad359677d681692848d5775fd8b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4478199, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4474851": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "BILLY GRAHAM DID MOST OF THEM.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_23:36:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "CPL", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474005, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472293": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Leota,  you bring a good point.  It is a new thing to 'trot out'  the pastor.   It used to be that Billy Graham showed up every now and then, and that was the end of it.<br><br>I can't honestly say that I remember or even cared where any president went to church or who their 'favorite' pastor was.  And I'm not a youngster, so I'm talking about folks from Tricky Dick to Billy Jeff...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:09:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "isonprize", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472101, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4512214": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "You're taking it to a much more extreme stance than what this represents. Take the ego and emotion out of the equation and be a little more pragmatic. Is this going to be the single most important issue to you? If so, then by all means protest away. A lot of people don't have to like Warren but recognize the complications and traps that litter every choice the Inaugural Committee makes. It is the Committee's doing after all.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_19:56:25", "killed": false, "user_key": "heartsandflowers", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4486153, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472809": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Im there with you. I want President-elect Obama to make us rise up to be above the tit-for-tat antics of politics. That game is beneath us.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:20:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "c22bbad359677d681692848d5775fd8b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472226, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472815": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "It's power politics. O man knows he can do anything and black folks and gays will have no choice to support him. What's the alternative?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:21:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "dcf2c9ce3819616f8ba0ca48c54519c4", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 5, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4472226, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4475888": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Found this at Balloon Juice:<br><br><i>If you followed the internal politics of evangelical and fundamentalist leaders, you\u2019d see this for what it is\u2014not an elevation of Warren, but a slap in the face of the old guard leaders like Dobson and LaHaye. They\u2019ve been fighting to see who gets to be the spokesman for the movement, and lately it\u2019s been a tie. Obama just broke it.<br><br>And let\u2019s be clear, there is a difference between those groups. Warren may not be progressive on gay rights, but he\u2019s been out front on a number of issues of global justice\u2014traveling from Davos to Damascus, and working hard to get rank-and-file evangelicals invested in \u201ccreation care\u201d environmentalism and the fight against global HIV/AIDS.<br><br>If he were put in charge of HHS or listened to on gay policies, I\u2019d be pissed. But what Obama is doing here isn\u2019t that. It\u2019s a move that marginalizes the worst on the religious right, elevates a guy who\u2019s more progressive than most religious leaders on a number of issues, and earns him some moderate cred at the outset.<br><br>If Obama sells out on the progressive promise in actual policy, I\u2019ll be in the streets protesting with everyone else. But if his \u201cselling out\u201d is having a fairly moderate, popular evangelical give the invocation at the inaugural\u2014when large sections of this country still worry Obama\u2019s a scary evil Mooooslim\u2014then who gives a flying fuck?<br><br></i><br><br><a href=\"http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=14795#comments\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=14795#comments</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:05:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "rikyrah", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4482033": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "So true...which is why I thought it was hilarious when they tried to protest when she sang at Clinton's inauguration...think she cared? She wore the fur of all furs!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_10:38:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "c22bbad359677d681692848d5775fd8b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4479696, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472307": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "This I can never understand and it frustrates me.<br><br>T.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:12:07", "killed": false, "user_key": "d6755b31010b50fc47eac9ee8b3bb319", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 12, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4471719, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4472308": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I sure hope so.  Where are you finding your info?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-17_21:11:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "isonprize", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4471718, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4482549": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "LOL.  That parody is dead on.  I've rarely visited Kos (or a lot of the similar blogs) since the election because everybody has lost their collective minds because it turns out that Obama is in fact not Jesus, Santa Claus or the Great Kazoo.  On the upside I'm getting much more work done (hee).", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_11:11:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "MsKitty", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 9, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4476127, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4479401": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Oh, the PETA crowd should be protesting in 5...4...3...2...<br><br>The Queen will undoubtedly show up in one of her most fantabulous full length, thick as a dense fog, mink fur....bank it!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_08:19:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "c22bbad359677d681692848d5775fd8b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4475111, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "4476330": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "AMEN.  Besides, I don't trust those dudes... Let's just say that I know too much about them.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-18_01:52:17", "killed": false, "user_key": "rorysmomma", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "11 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 4474949, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}}, "integration": {"receiver_url": "", "theme": 4, "reply_position": true, "disqus_logo": false}, "timer": {"timer_url": "http://localhost:8005", "thread_id": "8529773", "user_id": "anonymous", "forum_id": "21630", "hash": 3660693986332954610}, "thread": {"days_alive": 0, "slug": "should_the_8220purpose_driven_preacher8221_pray_over_the_potus", "paginate": false, "num_pages": 1, "num_posts": 267, "per_page": 0, "total_posts": 0, "realtime_paused": true, "id": 8529773, "queued": false}, "reactions_limit": 10, "context": {"show_reply": true, "use_fb_connect": true, "forum_facebook_key": "bd6a8bc56f8eb204984f34b6fefe228d", "use_yahoo": false, "subscribed": false, "use_twitter_signin": true, "use_openid": false, "realtime_speed": 5000}, "reactions_start": 0, "settings": {"debug": false, "disqus_url": "http://disqus.com", "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"}, "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"};
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	this.curPageId = 'dsq-comments';

	this.frames = {};
};

var disqus_popup_reference = null;

if(typeof DsqLocal == 'undefined') {
	DsqLocal = {};
}



/**
 * Dsq.Strings: UI strings
 */
Dsq.Strings = new function() {
	this.ADD_NEW_COMMENT = "Add New Comment";
	this.LOG_INTO_DISQUS = "Log into DISQUS";
	this.USE_MEDIA = "Use Media";
	this.LOGOUT = "Logout";
	this.SHARING_OPTIONS = "Sharing options";
	this.SHARE_ON = "Share on";
	this.TWEET_THIS_COMMENT = "Tweet this comment";
	this.SHARE_ON_NEWSFEED = "Share on news feed";
	this.SEND_UPDATE_TO_YAHOO = "Send update to Yahoo!";
	this.REBLOG_ON = "Reblog on";
	this.CONFIGURE_OPTIONS = "Configure options";
	this.POST_AS = "Post as";
	this.SORT_BY = "Sort by";
	this.SUBSCRIBE_BY_EMAIL = "Subscribe by email";
	this.SUBSCRIBE_BY_RSS = "Subscribe by RSS";
	this.POPULAR_NOW = "Popular now";
	this.BEST_RATING = "Best Rating";
	this.NEWEST_FIRST = "Newest first";
	this.OLDEST_FIRST = "Oldest first";
	this.HIGHLIGHTED = "Highlighted";
	this.UNSUBSCRIBE = "Unsubscribe";
	this.REQUIRED = "Required";
	this.OPTIONAL = "Optional";
	this.YOU_ARE_COMMENTING_AS_A = "You are commenting as a";
	this.LOGIN_BELOW = "Login below";
	this.PLEASE_LOGIN_BELOW_TO_COMMENT = "Please login below to comment.";
	this.SUBSCRIBE_TO_ALL_COMMENTS_BY_EMAIL = "Subscribe to all comments by email";
	this.DO_NOT_SUBSCRIBE_TO_COMMENTS = "Do not subscribe to comments";
	this.REALTIME_UPDATING_IS = "Real-time updating is";
	this.ENABLED = "enabled";
	this.PAUSED = "paused";
	this.PAUSE = "Pause";
	this.RESUME = "Resume";
	this.SHOW = "Show";
	this.JUST_NOW = "Just now";
	this.REPLY = "Reply";
	this.EDIT = "Edit";
	this.FLAG = "Flag";
	this.MODERATE = "Moderate";
	this.CANCEL = "Cancel";
	this.REPLYING_TO = "Replying to";
	this.REPORT_MISSING_REACTIONS = "Report missing reactions";
	this.POST_A_COMMENT = "Post a comment";
	this.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT = "Flag inappropriate comment";
	this.FLAGGED = "Flagged";
	this.NO = "No";
	this.YES = "Yes";
	this.NEVER_MIND = "Never mind";
	this.ARE_YOU_SURE_YOU_WOULD_LIKE_TO_REPORT_THIS_COMMENT_TO_A_MODERATOR = "Are you sure you would like to report this comment to a moderator";
	this.THIS_WILL_FLAG_COMMENTS_FOR_MODERATORS_TO_TAKE_ACTION = "This will flag comments for moderators to take action";
	this.TO_RATE_PLEASE_LOG_IN = "To rate, please log in";
	this.JUST_A_MOMENT = "Just a moment...";
	this.GUEST = "Guest";
	this.NAME = "Name";
	this.EMAIL = "Email";
  this.WEBSITE = "Website";
  this.SETTINGS = "Settings";
  this.MODERATOR_OPTIONS = "Moderator options: ";
};
// Dsq.Strings

/**
 * Dsq.FmtStrings: functions that return interpolated UI strings
 */
Dsq.FmtStrings = new function() {
	// Seems we have to use named interpolation for Django to translate. Investigate more.
	this.LOGGED_IN_AS = function(username) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate('Logged in as %(username)s', {username:username});
	};

	this.LOGOUT_FROM = function(disqus) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate('Logout from %(disqus)s', {disqus:disqus});
	};

	this.SHOWING_COMMENTS_FULL = function(total, num) {
		if (num === 1) {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> of <span id='dsq-total-posts'>%(total)s</span> comment", {num:num, total:total});
		} else {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> of <span id='dsq-total-posts'>%(total)s</span> comments", {num:num, total:total});
		}
	};

	this.SHOWING_COMMENTS_WITHOUT_PAGINATION = function(num) {
		if (num === 1) {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> comment", {num:num});
		} else {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> comments", {num:num});
		}
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_COMMENTS = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s comment'
				: '%(num)s comments'
			), {num:num});
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_LIKES = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s like'
				: '%(num)s likes'
			), {num:num});
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_POINTS = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s point'
				: '%(num)s points'
			), {num:num});
	};
};
// Dsq.FmtStrings





Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN = '3a1994e3330279e78957da82fb64f754';
Dsq.COMMENTS_RE = /(<li.*?id="?dsq-comment-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/li>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_RE = /(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-header-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/div>)\s*(<div.*?class="?dsq-comment-body"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_BODY_RE = /\s*(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-message-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
// HACK: Safari ends with "-->" while other browsers end with "--&gt;" as expected.
Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE = /&lt;!--\[(.*?)\]--(?:>|&gt;)/gim;



var FragmentPacket = function(reader, writer, writer_url, is_child, receiveCallback) {
	var that = this;
	this.reader = reader;
	this.writer = writer;
	this.writer_url = writer_url;

	this.is_child = is_child || false;
	this.receiveCallback = receiveCallback;

	this._lastHash = null;

	this._accumMsg = '';

	this._lastSeqno = 0;

	this.MAX_DATA_LEN	= 1024;

	this.WAIT_TIME		= 10;

	this.READY		= 0x1;
	this.WRITING	= 0x2;
	this.FIN		= 0x4;
	this.ACK		= 0x8;

};

FragmentPacket.prototype.createListener = function() {
	var that = this;
	var listener = function() {
		that.recv();
	};
	return window.setInterval(listener, 10);
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.log = function(msg) {



};

FragmentPacket.prototype.recv = function() {
	var hash;
	if (/MSIE/.test(navigator.userAgent)) {

		hash = this.reader.name;
	} else {

		var hashIndex = this.reader.location.href.indexOf('#');
		if (hashIndex == -1) {
			return;
		}
		hash = this.reader.location.href.substring(hashIndex+1);
	}
	var flags = parseInt(hash.substring(0, 4), 10);
	var seqno = parseInt(hash.substring(4, 24), 10);
	var data  = hash.substring(24);

	if (this._lastHash !== hash) {
		this._lastHash = hash;
		this.log('recv: ' + hash);

		this.log(' flags: ' + flags);
		this.log(' seqno: ' + seqno + ' len: ' + hash.substring(4, 24).length + ' (' + hash.substring(4, 24) + ')');
		this.log(' data: ' + data + ' len: ' + data.length);

		this._lastSeqno = seqno;

		if (flags & this.WRITING) {
			this._accumMsg += data;
			this.sendFlag(this.ACK, seqno);
			if (flags & this.FIN) {
				this.log('recv finished: ' + decodeURIComponent(this._accumMsg));
				this.receiveCallback(decodeURIComponent(this._accumMsg));

				this._accumMsg = '';

				this.sendFlag(this.READY | this.ACK, this._lastSeqno);
			}
		}
	}

	return {
		flags: flags,
		seqno: seqno,
		data: data
	};
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.sendRawPacket = function(packet) {
	if (/MSIE/.test(navigator.userAgent)) {
		this.writer.name = packet;
	} else {

		this.writer.location.href = this.writer_url + '#' + packet;
	}

};

FragmentPacket.prototype.sendFlag = function(flag, seqno) {
	this.sendRawPacket(this._zerofill(flag, 4) + this._zerofill(seqno, 20));
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.send = function(msg) {
	this._send(0, encodeURIComponent(msg));
};

FragmentPacket.prototype._send = function(packetNum, msg) {
	var that = this;
	var recvBuf = this.recv();

	if (packetNum === 0) {

		if (!(recvBuf.flags & this.READY)) {
			this.log('client is not ready, waiting...');
			window.setTimeout(function() { that._send(packetNum, msg); }, this.WAIT_TIME);
			return;
		}
	} else {

		if (!( (recvBuf.flags & this.ACK) && (recvBuf.seqno === this._lastSeqno) )) {
			this.log('waiting for ack from client...');
			window.setTimeout(function() { that._send(packetNum, msg); }, this.WAIT_TIME);
			return;
		} else {
			this.log('received ack: ' + this._lastSeqno + ' ' + recvBuf.seqno);
		}
	}

	var flags = this.WRITING;
	var num_packets = Math.ceil(msg.length / this.MAX_DATA_LEN);
	this.log('num_packets: ' + num_packets);

	if (num_packets === packetNum) {

		this.log('message successfully sent!');
		this.sendFlag(this.READY | this.ACK, this._lastSeqno);
		return true;
	}

	this._lastSeqno++;

	if (packetNum == num_packets-1) {
		flags |= this.FIN;
	}

	var data = msg.substring(packetNum * this.MAX_DATA_LEN, (packetNum+1) * this.MAX_DATA_LEN);
	var packet = this._zerofill(flags, 4) + this._zerofill(this._lastSeqno, 20) + data;

	this.log('sending raw packet: ' + packet);
	this.sendRawPacket(packet);

	return this._send(packetNum + 1, msg);
};

FragmentPacket.prototype._zerofill = function(num, width) {
	var retval = num.toString();
	var retval_len = retval.length;
	for (var i = 0; i < width - retval_len; i++) {
		retval = '0' + retval;
	}
	return retval;
};

var PostMessagePacket = function(receiver, receiveCallback, id, receiverId) {
	var that = this;
	this.receiver = receiver;
	this.receiveCallback = receiveCallback;
	this.id = id;


	this.receiverId = receiverId;
};

PostMessagePacket.prototype.createListener = function() {
	var that = this;

	var listener = function(e) {

		if (!that.id) {
			that.id = e.data;
			return;
		}


		var id = e.data.split(';')[0];
		if (id !== that.id) {
			return;
		}
		var data = e.data.substring(e.data.indexOf(';') + 1);

		that.receiveCallback(data);
	};

	if (typeof window.attachEvent == 'function') {
		window.attachEvent('onmessage', listener);
	} else if (typeof window.addEventListener == 'function') {
		window.addEventListener('message', listener, false);
	} else {
		throw new Error('No method found to create event listener for PostMessagePacket.');
	}
};

PostMessagePacket.prototype.send = function(msg) {



	var needs_reget = false;
	try {
		if (typeof this.receiver.id == 'undefined' || typeof this.receiver.postMessage == 'undefined') {
			needs_reget = true;
		}
	} catch(e) {


	}
	if (needs_reget && typeof this.receiverId != 'undefined') {
		this.receiver = document.getElementById(this.receiverId).contentWindow;
	}

	var packet;
	if (!msg) {

		packet = this.id;
	} else {
		packet = this.id + ';' + msg;
	}
	this.receiver.postMessage(packet, '*');
};

PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id = null;
PostMessagePacket._get_unique_id = function() {
	var id = (new Date()).getTime();
	if (id == PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id) {
		id++;
	}
	PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id = id;
	return id.toString();
};

var JsonRpc = function() {

	this.ids = {};

	this.objectToJSON = function(obj) {
		var json = '';
		var results = [];

		if (obj === undefined || obj === null) {
			return 'null';
		}

		switch (obj.constructor) {
			case Object:
				for (var property in obj) {
					if (obj.hasOwnProperty(property)) {
						results.push(this.objectToJSON(property) + ': ' + this.objectToJSON(obj[property]));
					}
				}
				json = '{' + results.join(', ') + '}';
				break;
			case Array:
				for (var i = 0; i < obj.length; i++) {
					results.push(this.objectToJSON(obj[i]));
				}
				json = '[' + results.join(', ') + ']';
				break;
			case Number:
			case Boolean:
				json = obj.toString();
				break;
			case String:

				var specialChars = {'\b': '\\b', '\t': '\\t', '\n': '\\n', '\f': '\\f', '\r': '\\r', '\\': '\\\\'};

				json = obj.replace(/[\x00-\x1f\\]/g, function(match) {
					var ch = specialChars[match];
					return ch ? ch : '\\u00' + match.charCodeAt().toPaddedString(2, 16);
				});

				json = '"' + json.replace(/"/g, '\\"') + '"';
				break;
			default:

				json = 'null';
				break;
		}

		return json;
	};

	this.createHandler = function(send_func, registered_funcs) {
		var that = this;
		var handler = function(message) {

			try {
				var rpc = eval('(' + message + ')');
			} catch(e) {
				alert('bad JSON: ' + message);
				return;
			}
			if (rpc.method) {

				if (!registered_funcs[rpc.method]) {
					return;
				}

				var retval = registered_funcs[rpc.method].apply(null, rpc.params);
				if (rpc.id) {
					var response = {
						result: retval,
						error: null,	// TODO
						id: rpc.id
					};
					send_func(that.objectToJSON(response));
				}
			} else if(rpc.result) {

				if (!that.ids[rpc.id]) {
					return;
				}

				that.ids[rpc.id](rpc.result);
				delete that.ids[rpc.id];
			}
		};
		return handler;
	};

	this.execute = function(send_func, method, params, response_callback) {
		response_callback = response_callback || null;
		var id = (response_callback) ? (new Date()).getTime() : null;

		var request = {
			method: method,
			params: params,
			id: id
		};

		send_func(this.objectToJSON(request));

		if (id) {
			this.ids[id] = response_callback;
		}
	};
};
JsonRpc = new JsonRpc();

var ParentMessenger = function(childUrl, receiverUrl, container, receiveCallback) {


	if (navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Safari') >= 0 && parseInt(navigator.userAgent.substring(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Version/') + 8), 10) == 3) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	} else if (window.opera) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	}



	if (!receiverUrl &&
		navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Gecko') >= 0 &&
		parseFloat(navigator.userAgent.slice(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('rv:') + 3, navigator.userAgent.indexOf('rv:') + 6)) < 1.9) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	}


	if (/msie/i.test(navigator.userAgent) && !/opera/i.test(navigator.userAgent)) {


		if (document.domain == window.location.hostname) {
			receiverUrl = '';
		}
	}

	var that = this;
	this.childUrl = childUrl;
	this.receiverUrl = receiverUrl;
	this.container = container || document.body;

	this.packetHandler = null;


	this._ready = false;
	this._error = false;


	var _createReceiverForFragmentPacket = function() {

		that.receiver = document.createElement('iframe');
		that.receiver.src = receiverUrl;
		that.receiver.id = 'receiver_' + (new Date()).getTime();
		that.receiver.name = that.receiver.id;

		that.receiver.frameBorder = '0';
		that.receiver.frameSpacing = '0';
		that.receiver.style.borderStyle = 'none';

		var receiver_onload = function() {
			var receiver = document.getElementById(that.receiver.id).contentWindow;

			try {
				receiver.document.body.innerHTML = '';
			} catch(e) {

				that._error = true;
			}
			receiver.document.body.style.padding = '0px';
			receiver.document.body.style.margin = '0px';

			var child = receiver.document.createElement('iframe');
			child.id = 'child';
			child.name = 'child';
			child.src = that.childUrl;

			child.frameBorder = '0';
			child.frameSpacing = '0';
			child.style.borderStyle = 'none';
			child.style.width = '100%';
			child.style.height = '100%';
			receiver.document.body.appendChild(child);

			that.child = receiver.document.getElementById('child').contentWindow;
			that.receiver = receiver;

			that.packetHandler = new FragmentPacket(that.receiver, that.child, that.childUrl, false, receiveCallback);

			that._listener = that.packetHandler.createListener();

			that.packetHandler.sendFlag(that.packetHandler.READY, 0);

			that._ready = true;
		};

		that.receiver.onreadystatechange = function() {
			if (this.readyState == 'complete') {
				receiver_onload();
			}
		};

		that.receiver.onload = receiver_onload;







		if (Dsq.Utils.ie) {
			if (that.container.clientWidth === 0) {

				var _waitForWidth = function() {
					if (that.container.clientWidth > 0) {
						Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(that.container.id);
					} else {
						window.setTimeout(_waitForWidth, 100);
					}
				};
				_waitForWidth();

				that._once = false;
				that.receiver.onresize = function() {
					if (!that._once) {
						Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(that.container.id);
					}
					that._once = true;
				};
			}
		}

		that.container.appendChild(that.receiver);
	};


	var _createReceiverForPostMessage = function() {

		var receiver_onload = function() {

			that.packetHandler.send();
			that._ready = true;
		};

		var id = PostMessagePacket._get_unique_id();
		var receiverId = 'child_' + id;


		ParentMessenger['_receiver_onload_' + receiverId] = receiver_onload;

		that.container.innerHTML += '<iframe ' +
			'src="' + childUrl + '" ' +
			'id="' + receiverId + '" ' +
			'name="' + receiverId + '" ' +
			'onload="ParentMessenger._receiver_onload_' + receiverId +'();" ' +
			'></iframe>';

		that.receiver = document.getElementById(receiverId).contentWindow;
		that.packetHandler = new PostMessagePacket(that.receiver, receiveCallback, id, receiverId);
		that._listener = that.packetHandler.createListener();
	};

	if (typeof window.postMessage == 'function') {
		_createReceiverForPostMessage();
	} else {
		_createReceiverForFragmentPacket();
	}

};

ParentMessenger.prototype.sendMessage = function(message) {
	var that = this;
	if (!this._ready) {

		window.setTimeout(function() { that.sendMessage(message); }, 10);
		return;
	}
	this.packetHandler.send(message);
	return true;
};

Dsq.NewFrames = function(url) {
	this.url = url;
};

Dsq.NewFrames.prototype.init = function(onFailure) {
	var that = this;

	try {
		this.messenger = new ParentMessenger(this.url, Dsq.jsonData.integration.receiver_url, this.container, this.receive_callback);
	} catch(e) {
		if (typeof onFailure == 'function') {
			onFailure();
		}
	}

	if (typeof onFailure == 'function') {
		var iId = window.setInterval(function() {
			if (typeof that.messenger == 'undefined') {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
				return;
			}
			if (that.messenger._ready) {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
			} else if (that.messenger._error) {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
				onFailure();
			}
		}, 10);
	}
};

Dsq.NewFrames.prototype._execute = function(method, args, callback) {
	var that = this;
	if (typeof that.messenger == 'undefined') {
		return false;
	}
	JsonRpc.execute(
		function(msg) { that.messenger.sendMessage(msg); },
		method,
		args || [],
		callback);
	return true;
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame = function(container, parent_post_id) {
	var that = this;
	this.container = container;
	this.parent_post_id = parent_post_id;

	var sendFunc = function(msg) {

		Dsq.Debug.log('Dsq.ReplyFrame.sendFunc');
		that.messenger.sendMessage(msg);
	};


	var postComment_onSuccess = function(response) {
		Dsq.jsonData.posts[response.message.id] = response.message.post_meta;
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[response.message.post_meta.user_key]) {
			Dsq.jsonData.users[response.message.post_meta.user_key] = response.message.user_meta;
		}


		var reply_position = (typeof(disqus_insert_wrt_sort) == 'undefined' 
			? (Dsq.jsonData.forum.reply_position ? -1 : null) 
			: (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 2 ? null : -1));
		
		if (response.message.post_meta.approved) {
			Dsq.Post.insert(response.message.post_meta.parent_post_id || reply_position, response.message.id, response.message.post_meta.message);
		}

		Dsq.Templates.postComment_onSuccess(response, parent_post_id, response.message.id);
	};

	var postComment_onFailure = function(response) {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(response.message, 'Error');
		Dsq.Templates.postComment_onFailure(response, parent_post_id, response.message.id);
	};

	var editComment_onSuccess = function(response) {
		var post_id = parent_post_id;
		var message = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + post_id);
		
		message.innerHTML = response.message;
		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};
	
	var editComment_onFailure = function(response) {
		var post_id = parent_post_id;
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('Sorry, there was an error editing this comment.', 'Edit Error');
		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	var getUserByEmail_onSuccess = function(response) {
		var msg = response.message;
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(parent_post_id);

		if (msg.username) {

			Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(parent_post_id, 'login', {
				'username': msg.username,
				'display_name': msg.display_name,
				'avatar_url': msg.avatar_url,
				'verified': msg.verified,
				'email': fields.email.value
			});
		} else {

			Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(parent_post_id, 'register');
		}
	};

	var validateAuth_onSuccess = function(response, auth_choice) {
		Dsq.Templates.postComment(parent_post_id, null, true, auth_choice);
	};

	var validateAuth_onFailure = function(response, auth_choice) {
		var pid = parent_post_id ? '-' + parent_post_id : '';
		var msg = response.message;

		if (auth_choice == 'register') {
			var fields = ['email', 'username', 'password'];

			for (var i = 0; i < fields.length; i++) {
				var field = fields[i];
				var errorDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-' + field + '-errors' + pid);

				if (msg[field]) {
					errorDiv.innerHTML = msg[field];
				} else {
					errorDiv.innerHTML = '';
				}
			}
		} else if (auth_choice == 'login') {
			Dsq.$('dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid).innerHTML = '<p>We couldn\'t log you in. Please verify your login.</p>';
		}
		
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	this.receive_callback = JsonRpc.createHandler(sendFunc, {
		'postComment.onSuccess': postComment_onSuccess,
		'postComment.onFailure': postComment_onFailure,
		'editComment.onSuccess': editComment_onSuccess,
		'editComment.onFailure': editComment_onFailure,		
		'getUserByEmail.onSuccess': getUserByEmail_onSuccess,
		'validateAuth.onSuccess': validateAuth_onSuccess,
		'validateAuth.onFailure': validateAuth_onFailure,
		'reload': function() { window.location.reload(); }
	});

	this.url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY +
		'?' + (new Date()).getTime() +
		'&f=jackandjillpolitics' +
		'&t=should_the_8220purpose_driven_preacher8221_pray_over_the_potus' +
		'&ff=' + Dsq.Thread.ff +
		'&default_text=' + disqus_default_text +
		'&ifrs=' + encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css);
	if (this.parent_post_id) {
		this.url += '&parent_post=' + this.parent_post_id;
	}
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype = new Dsq.NewFrames(Dsq.ReplyFrame.url);

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.post = function(author_name, author_email, author_url, authenticate, sharing_services, subscribe) {
	this._execute('postComment', [author_name, author_email, author_url, authenticate, sharing_services, subscribe]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.edit = function(post_id, message) {
	this._execute('editComment', [post_id, message]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.setState = function(parent_post_id, depth) {
	this._execute('setState', [parent_post_id, depth]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.getUserByEmail = function(email) {
	this._execute('getUserByEmail', [email]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.validateAuth = function(auth_choice, email, username, password) {
	this._execute('validateAuth', [auth_choice, email, username, password]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.authenticateFacebook = function(session, forum_url) {
	this._execute('authenticateFacebook', [session, forum_url]);
};

	Dsq.Facebook = function() {
	var that = this;

	var handleSessionData = function(session) {

		var forum_url = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;




		if (typeof disqus_facebook_forum != 'undefined') {
			forum_url = disqus_facebook_forum;
		}
		Dsq.frames.reply_0.authenticateFacebook(session, forum_url);
	};

	var onLogin = function() {
		FB.Connect.getSignedPublicSessionData(handleSessionData);
	};

	this.login = function() {
		FB.Connect.requireSession(onLogin, true);
	};
};
Dsq.Facebook = new Dsq.Facebook();


	






Dsq.Themes = {};

Dsq.Themes.narcissus = new function() {
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-form-area';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-textarea-wrapper';



	
	this.header = function() {
		var comments_count, total_posts, num_posts;
		var html = '';
		var missing_perm_tmpl;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.missing_perm) {
			missing_perm_tmpl = Dsq.Templates.missingPermissions();
			if (missing_perm_tmpl) {
				html += '<div class="dsq-missing-permissions">' + missing_perm_tmpl + '</div>';
			}
		}

		total_posts = Dsq.jsonData.thread.total_posts;
		num_posts = Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_posts;

		if (total_posts) {
			comments_count = Dsq.FmtStrings.SHOWING_COMMENTS_FULL(total_posts, num_posts);
		} else {
			comments_count = Dsq.FmtStrings.SHOWING_COMMENTS_WITHOUT_PAGINATION(num_posts);
		}

		html += ' \
		<div id="dsq-comments-title"> \
			<h3>' + comments_count + '</h3> \
		</div> \
		';

		html += ' \
		<div class="dsq-options"> \
			<span class="dsq-item-sort">'
				+ Dsq.Strings.SORT_BY + ' \
				<select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);"> \
					<option value="hot" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 4 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.POPULAR_NOW + '</option> \
					<option value="best" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 3 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.BEST_RATING + '</option> \
					<option value="newest" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 2 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.NEWEST_FIRST + '</option> \
					<option value="oldest" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 1 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.OLDEST_FIRST + '</option> \
				</select> \
				&nbsp; \
			</span> \
			<span class="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
				<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle"> \
				<span id="dsq-subscribe">'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.subscribed
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.UNSUBSCRIBE + '</a>'
						: '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_BY_EMAIL + '</a>')
				+ '</span> \
			</span> \
			<span class="dsq-subscribe-rss" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle"> \
				<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/bullet-feed.png" alt="" /> \
				<a href="http://jackandjillpolitics.disqus.com/should_the_8220purpose_driven_preacher8221_pray_over_the_potus/latest.rss">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_BY_RSS + '</a> \
			</span> \
		</div> \
		';

		
		

		return html;

	};
	
	this.footer = function() {
		var html = '';

		html += Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		
		
			html += Dsq.Templates.realtime();
			html += Dsq.Templates.showThreadSettings();
			html += Dsq.Templates.postBox();

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.trackbacks();
		


		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator) {
 			html += ' \
				<div class="dsq-global-moderator-extras">'
					+ '<strong>shortname:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url
					+ '<strong>thread id:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.id
					+ '<strong>thread slug:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.slug
				+ '</div> \
			';
		}

		return html;
	};
	
	this.realtime = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			html += '<div id="dsq-realtime-options" class="dsq-options">'
					 + Dsq.Strings.REALTIME_UPDATING_IS + ' <strong id="dsq-realtime-status" style="text-transform: lowercase">' + Dsq.Strings.ENABLED + '</strong>. \
					 <a href="#" id="dsq-realtime-toggle" style="text-transform: capitalize"></a> \
					</div>';
		}

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
			html += ' \
				<div style="display: none" id="dsq-realtime-alert" class="dsq-realtime-alert"><span id="dsq-realtime-queued"></span> <a href="#" id="dsq-realtime-show"></a></div> \
			';
		}
		
		return html;
	};

	this.showThreadSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '<div id="dsq-thread-settings" class="dsq-thread-settings">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATOR_OPTIONS;
		html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.showSettings(); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.SETTINGS + '</a>';
		if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.reactions_enabled && Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.reportMissingReactions(); return false;">'
						+ Dsq.Strings.REPORT_MISSING_REACTIONS
						+ '</a>';
		}
		html +='</div>';

		return html;
	};

	this.postBox = function(post_id, use_fallback_iframe) {


		var html;
		var display_sharing_options = Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated;

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post) {
			return '';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote) {


			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.hasOwnProperty(Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain)) {
				display_sharing_options = false;
			}
		}
		
		if (post_id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];				
		}
		
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';

		var _requestUserInfo = function() {
			var html;



			var user_has_email = false;

			html = '<div class="dsq-request-user-info"> <!-- // If authenticated --> \
				<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT + '?ctkn=' + Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN + '" class="dsq-request-user-logout">' + Dsq.Strings.LOGOUT + '</a> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td rowspan="2">'
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE + '">' : '')
								+ '<img src="' + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR + '" width="48" height="48" class="dsq-request-user-avatar">'
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '</a>' : '')
						+ '</td> \
						<td class="dsq-request-user-name">'
								+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
									 ? '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-' + Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain + '">' + Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain + '</span>'
									 : (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_verified
											? '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span>'
											: '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span>'))
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? ' <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE + '">' : '') 
								+ Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username 
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '</a>' : '')
							+  (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && user_has_email ? ' <small>(<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.remoteAccountSettings(); return false;">change settings</a>)</small>' : '')
							+  (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? ' <small>(<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/info/" target="_blank">change name</a> or <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/avatar/" target="_blank">picture</a>)</small>' : '')
						+ '</td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-request-user-stats"> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.comments_count + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.comments_count == 1 ? 'comment' : 'comments') + '</span> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.likes_count + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.likes_count == 1 ? 'like' : 'likes') + '</span> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.points + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.points == 1 ? 'point' : 'points') + '</span> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';
			return html;
		};

		var _loginOptions = function() {
			var html;
			html = ' \
			<div class="dsq-authenticate"> \
				<p class="dsq-autheneticate-copy">'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
					? Dsq.Strings.YOU_ARE_COMMENTING_AS_A + ' <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. ' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL + ': ' + Dsq.Strings.LOGIN_BELOW + '.'
					: Dsq.Strings.REQUIRED + ': ' + Dsq.Strings.PLEASE_LOGIN_BELOW_TO_COMMENT + '.')
				+ '</p> \
				<ul class="dsq-login-buttons">'
					+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-disqus.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Facebook.login(); return false;"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-facebook.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-twitter.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL(); return false" ><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-openid.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_yahoo ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Yahoo.startYahooConnect(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-yahoo.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
				+ '</ul> \
			</div> \
			';
			return html;
		};

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {


			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {



				return '<div id="dsq-form-area" style="display:none"><div id="dsq-textarea-wrapper"></div></div>' + _loginOptions();
			} else {
				return '';
			}
		}

		html = ' \
		<div id="' + (post_id 
			? 'dsq-reply-post-' + post_id
			: 'dsq-new-post')
		 	+ '" class="dsq-post-area"> \
			<div class="dsq-dc-logo"> \
				<a href="http://disqus.com/comments" target="_blank"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/disqus-logo.png"></a> \
			</div>'
			+ (post_id 
				? '<h3>' + Dsq.Strings.REPLYING_TO + ' ' + userData.display_name + '</h3>'
				: '<h3>' + Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT + '</h3>')
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated 
				? _requestUserInfo()
				: _loginOptions() )
			+ '<div id="dsq-form-area' + pid + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-textarea"> \
				<div class="dsq-textarea-wrapper" id="dsq-textarea-wrapper' + pid + '"></div> \
			</div>'
			+ (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated
			? ' \
			<div class="dsq-post-fields"> \
				<form action="." method="GET" onsubmit="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, false); return false;"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-left"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-name' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (disqus_def_name ? disqus_def_name : (Dsq.jsonData.session.name ? Dsq.jsonData.session.name : Dsq.Strings.NAME + '" class="dsq-placeholder')) + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'name\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'name\')" /></div></td> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-right"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-website' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (Dsq.jsonData.session.url ? Dsq.jsonData.session.url : Dsq.Strings.WEBSITE + ' (' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL.toLowerCase() + ')" class="dsq-placeholder') + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'website\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'website\')" /></div></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-left"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-email' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (disqus_def_email ? disqus_def_email : (Dsq.jsonData.session.email ? Dsq.jsonData.session.email : Dsq.Strings.EMAIL + '" class="dsq-placeholder')) + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'email\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'email\')" /></div></td> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-right"> \
							<div class="dsq-subscribe"> \
								<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.chooseSubscribe(' + post_id + '); return false" class="dsq-subscribe-menu"><span id="dsq-subscribe-select' + pid + '">' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.subscribe_on_post ? Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_TO_ALL_COMMENTS_BY_EMAIL : Dsq.Strings.DO_NOT_SUBSCRIBE_TO_COMMENTS) + '</span> <small>&#9660;</small></a> \
								<ul class="dsq-panel" id="dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid + '"> \
									<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.setSubscribe(2, this, ' + post_id + '); return false">Subscribe to all comments by email</a></li> \
									<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.setSubscribe(0, this, ' + post_id + '); return false">Do not subscribe to comments</a></li> \
								</ul> \
								<input id="dsq-subscribe-on-post' + pid + '" type="hidden" value="' + Dsq.jsonData.request.subscribe_on_post + '" /> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
				</form> \
			</div>'
			: '')
			+ '<div class="dsq-post-footer"> \
				<div class="dsq-sharing-options" ' + (!display_sharing_options ? 'style="display:none;"' : '') + '> \
					<button class="dsq-button-small" onfocus="document.getElementById(\'dsq-post-button' + pid + '\').focus();"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.SHARING_OPTIONS + ' <small>&#9660;</small></span></button> \
					<div class="dsq-panel"> '
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-twitter' + pid + '"'
								  + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-twitter' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Twitter</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook
								&& (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook.enabled === true ||
										(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'facebook'))
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-facebook' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-facebook' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Facebook</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-yahoo' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-yahoo' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Yahoo!</label> \
								</div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-tumblr' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-tumblr' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Tumblr</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-wordpress' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-wordpress' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Wordpress</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype !== undefined
							  && Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-movabletype' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-movabletype' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Movable Type</label> \
							   </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad !== undefined
							  && Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-typepad' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
								  <label for="dsq-sharing-typepad' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' TypePad</label> \
							   </div>'
							: '')
						+ '<div><a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/connections/" target="_blank" class="dsq-configure-options">' + Dsq.Strings.CONFIGURE_OPTIONS + '</a></div>'
					+ '</div> \
				</div>'
				+ '<button class="dsq-button" id="dsq-post-button' + pid + '" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, false)"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.POST_AS + ' '
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username
					? Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username
					: Dsq.Strings.GUEST)
				+ '</span></button>'
				+ (post_id
					? '<button class="dsq-button" id="dsq-cancel-button' + pid + '" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(' + post_id +', this)"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.CANCEL + '</span></button>'
					: '')
			+ '</div>'
			+ '</div>' // end dsq-form-area
		+ '</div> \
		';
		
		return html;
	};




	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-append-post-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var html;
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		
		html = ' \
		<table> \
			<tr> \
				<td id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-avatar" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
					<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
					? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
					: '')
				+ '</a> \
				</td> \
				<td class="dsq-comment-header-meta"> \
		';

		
		return html;
	};
	
	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var html;
		var parent_display_name = '';
		
		if(_meta.parent_post_id) {

			var _parent_meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[_meta.parent_post_id];

			if (_parent_meta) {
				var parentUserData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_parent_meta.user_key];
				parent_display_name = parentUserData.display_name;
			}
		}

		html = ' \
		<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png" class="dsq-moderator-star" title="Moderator" /> \
		<span class="dsq-comment-header-time"><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')" title="Permalink">' + (_meta.is_realtime ? Dsq.Strings.JUST_NOW : _meta.date) + '</a></span> '
		+ (_meta.parent_post_id && parent_display_name
			? '<a href="#comment-' + _meta.parent_post_id + '" title="Jump to comment">in reply to ' + parent_display_name + '</a>'
			: '')
		+ '</td> \
		<td id="dsq-like-pts-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-comment-header-likes">'
		+ (_meta.points
			? _meta.points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(_meta.points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this.'
			: '')
		+ '</td> \
		</tr> \
		</table> \
		';
		return html;
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		var html = '';
		return html;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		var html;
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed || !_meta.approved) { return ''; }
		
		html = ' \
		<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer-left">'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
					? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.moderateOptions(' + post_id+ '); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATE + '</a>'
					: '')
				+ '<a href="#" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG + '</a> \
			</div> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer-right">'
				+ (_meta.votable 
					? '<span id="dsq-like-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-like">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<button class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1)" >Like</button>'
						: 'You liked this.&nbsp;&nbsp;')
					+ '</span>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<button class="dsq-button-small dsq-post-edit" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + ')" >' + Dsq.Strings.EDIT + '</button>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<span class="dsq-comment-footer-reply" id="dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(' + post_id +', this)"> \
						<button class="dsq-button-small">' + Dsq.Strings.REPLY + '</button> \
						<button class="dsq-comment-footer-reply-tab">' + Dsq.Strings.REPLY + '</button><span></span> \
					</span>'
					: '')
			+ '</div> \
		</div> \
		';
		
		return html;
	};



	
	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions" class="dsq-show-more-reactions"><button class="dsq-button-small" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</button></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		var item = '<li class="dsq-comment dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-comment-header"> \
			<table> \
			<tr> \
			<td class="dsq-header-avatar"> \
			';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'" class="dsq-avatar">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {

			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar92.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== ''
				? '</a>'
				: '')
			+ '</td>'
			+ '<td><cite class="dsq-comment-cite">' + reaction.author_name + '</cite> <span class="dsq-comment-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</span></td>'
			+ '<td class="dsq-comment-header-likes"></td>'
			+ '</tr></table></div>' // end dsq-comment-header
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header" \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-reaction-header-left">'
							+ '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png" />'
							+ ' From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
							+ 'via ' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? '<a href="http://backtype.com/">BackType</a>' : '<a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">UberVU</a>')
						+ '</td>'
						+ '<td class="dsq-reaction-header-right">';
			
			if(reaction.retweets) {
				var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
				if (num_retweets > 0) {
					if (num_retweets == 1) {
						item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
					} else {
						item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');
						item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
						var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 3) ? 3 : num_retweets;
						item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);
						if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
							item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
								+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
						}
					}
				}
			}	
			item += '</td></tr> \
			</table> \
			</div>' // end dsq-reaction-header
			+ '<div class="dsq-comment-body"> \
				<div class="dsq-comment-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '</div> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer"> \
				<div class="dsq-comment-footer-left"> \
				</div>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator 
					? ' \
					<div class="dsq-comment-footer-right"> \
						<button class="dsq-button-small dsq-hide-reaction" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + ')">Hide</button> \
					</div>'
					: '')
			+ '</div>'
		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions" class="dsq-show-more-reactions"><button class="dsq-button-small" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</button></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 id="dsq-reactions-title" class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-container"> \
			<table> \
				<tbody> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-tl"></td><td class="dsq-popup-b"></td><td class="dsq-popup-tr"></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-b"></td> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-body"> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
								<div class="dsq-popup-title"> \
									<button class="dsq-button-small" style="float:right" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)">Close</button>' 
									+ content['header'] 
								+ '</div>'
								+ content['body']
							+ '</div> \
							<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
						</td> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-b"></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-bl"></td><td class="dsq-popup-b"></td><td class="dsq-popup-br"></td> \
					</tr> \
				</tbody> \
			</table> \
		</div> \
		';
	};



	
	this.chooseSubscribe = function(post_id) {

		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var menu = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid);
		
		menu.style.display = menu.style.display == 'block' ? 'none' : 'block';
		
	};
	
	this.setSubscribe = function(value, el, post_id) {

		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var input = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-on-post' + pid);
		var select = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-select' + pid);
		var menu = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid);
		
		select.innerHTML = el.innerHTML;
		input.value = value;
		this.chooseSubscribe(post_id);
	};
	
	this.getFormFields = function(post_id) {

		var fields = {};
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var name = Dsq.$('dsq-field-name' + pid);
		var email = Dsq.$('dsq-field-email' + pid);
		var website = Dsq.$('dsq-field-website' + pid);
		var username = Dsq.$('dsq-field-username' + pid);
		var password = Dsq.$('dsq-field-password' + pid);

		fields = {
			'name': name,
			'email': email,
			'website': website,
			'username': username,
			'password': password
		}
		
		return fields;
	}
	
	this.validateFields = function(post_id) {
		
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) { return true; }
		
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		
		var nameField = fields.name;
		var websiteField = fields.website;
		var emailField = fields.email;
		
		websiteField.value = (websiteField.value == Dsq.Templates.placeholder['website']) ? '' : websiteField.value;
		
		var v = [{

			validator: Dsq.Validators.name,
			value: nameField.value
		}, {

			validator: Dsq.Validators.email,
			value: emailField.value
		}, {

			validator: Dsq.Validators.url,
			value: websiteField.value
		}];
		
		return Dsq.Validators.validate(v, function(e) { Dsq.Popup.popModal(e, 'Oops...') } );
	};
	
	this.checkExistingUser = function(post_id) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);		
		Dsq.Popup.loading(post_id);
		
		if (post_id) {
			Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].getUserByEmail(fields.email.value);
		} else {
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'].getUserByEmail(fields.email.value);
		}
	};

	this.validateAuth = function(el_clicked, post_id, auth_choice) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		var email = fields.email ? fields.email.value : '';
		var username = fields.username ? fields.username.value : '';
		var password = fields.password ? fields.password.value : '';
		
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
		
		if (post_id) {
			Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].validateAuth(auth_choice, email, username, password);
		} else {
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'].validateAuth(auth_choice, email, username, password);
		}
	};

	this.lightboxUpdateEmail = function(post_id, new_email) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		fields.email.value = new_email;
	};

	this.lightboxAuthenticate = function(post_id, auth_choice, auth_data) {
		var title, body;
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';

		if(typeof(auth_data) == 'undefined') {
			var auth_data = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		}

		d = auth_data;

		switch(auth_choice) {
			case 'register':
				var suggestedUsername = d.name.value.replace(/[^a-zA-Z0-9-]/g,'').toLowerCase();
			
				title = Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post ? 'Optional:' : 'Required:';
				title += ' Register a <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-profile.png" alt=Disqus Profile" />';

				body = ' \
				<ul class="dsq-lightbox-register-reasons"> \
				<li>Verify your comments</li> \
				<li>Edit and delete comments</li> \
				<li>Manage comments and replies</li> \
				</ul> \
				';

				body += ' \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-fields"> \
					<table> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Email</td> \
							<td><input type="text" value="' + d.email.value + '" onchange="Dsq.Templates.lightboxUpdateEmail(' + post_id + ', this.value)" /><div id="dsq-email-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Username</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-username' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + suggestedUsername + '"/><div id="dsq-username-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Password</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-password' + pid + '" type="password" /><div id="dsq-password-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
					</table> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-switch-auth"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(' + post_id + ',\'login\'); return false">Login instead</a></div> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid + '" class="dsq-lightbox-errors"></div> \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-submit"> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-post"><button class="dsq-button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.validateAuth(this, ' + post_id + ',\'' + auth_choice + '\')">Register and Post comment</button></div>'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
						? '<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-skip"><button class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, true)">Just post as a Guest</button></div>'
						: '')
				+ '</div> \
				';
				break;
			case 'login':
				title = Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post ? 'Optional:' : 'Required:';
				title += ' Login to your <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-profile.png" alt=Disqus Profile" />';
				body = '';
				
				if(d.avatar_url) {
					body += '<div class="dsq-lightbox-recognized"><table><tr>';
					body += '<td><img src="' + d.avatar_url + '" alt="" /></td>';
					body += '<td><span class="dsq-badge ' + (d.verified ? 'dsq-badge-verified' : 'dsq-badge-registered') + '">' + (d.verified ? 'Verified' : 'Registered') + '</span></td>';
					body += '<td>Hey <strong>' + d.display_name + '</strong>, is that you? Login below to claim this comment.';
					body += '</tr></table></div>';
				}

				body += ' \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-fields"> \
					<table> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Username or Email</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-username' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (d.avatar_url ? d.username : '') + '" /></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Password <a href="http://disqus.com/forgot" target="_blank">(cannot log in?)</a></td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-password' + pid + '" type="password" /></td> \
						</tr> \
					</table> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-switch-auth"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(' + post_id + ',\'register\'); return false">Register instead</a></div> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid + '" class="dsq-lightbox-errors"></div> \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-submit"> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-post"><button class="dsq-button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.validateAuth(this, ' + post_id + ',\'' + auth_choice + '\')">Login and Post comment</button></div>'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
						? '<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-skip"><button class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, true)">Just post as a Guest</button></div>'
						: '')
				+ '</div> \
				';
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
		Dsq.$('dsq-field-username' + pid).focus();
	};
	
	this.buttonsToRestore = [];
	this.setLoadingButton = function(btn, post_id) {
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		if (btn) {

			var loadingBtn = document.createElement('button');
			loadingBtn.id = btn.id + '-loading';
			loadingBtn.innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-lite.gif" alt="" /> Just a moment...';
			loadingBtn.className = btn.className + ' dsq-post-loading';
			btn.parentNode.appendChild(loadingBtn);
			btn.style.display = 'none';
			var cancelBtn = Dsq.$('dsq-cancel-button' + pid);
			if(cancelBtn) { cancelBtn.style.display = 'none'; this.buttonsToRestore.push(cancelBtn); }
			this.buttonsToRestore.push(btn);
		} else {

			var buttons = this.buttonsToRestore;
			for(var i = 0; i < buttons.length; i++) {
				buttons[i].style.display = 'inline';
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$(buttons[i].id + '-loading'));
			}
		}
		
	};

	this.postComment = function(post_id, el_clicked, force, auth_choice) {
		var append_id = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);

		if (Dsq.Templates.validateFields(post_id)) {

			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && !force &&
				((!Dsq.Utils.readCookie('skipped_auth') && !disqus_skip_auth && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled) || !Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post)) {
				Dsq.Templates.checkExistingUser(post_id);
				return false;
			}
			var params = [];
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
				params.push(fields.name.value,
					fields.email.value,
					fields.website.value);

				if (auth_choice == 'login' || auth_choice == 'register') {
					params.push({
						auth_choice: auth_choice,
						username: fields.username.value,
						password: fields.password.value,
						email: fields.email.value
					});
				} else {
					params.push(null);
				}

				params.push(null /* sharing options */, Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-on-post' + append_id).value);
			} else {
				var service_checked = function(name) {
					var el = Dsq.$('dsq-sharing-' + name + append_id);
					return (el !== null && el.checked === true) ? '1' : '0';
				};
				params.push(null, null, null, null, {
					tw: service_checked('twitter'),
					fb: service_checked('facebook'),
					tr: service_checked('tumblr'),
					wp: service_checked('wordpress'),
					mt: service_checked('movabletype'),
					tp: service_checked('typepad'),
					yh: service_checked('yahoo')
				});
			}

			var frame = Dsq.frames['reply_' + (post_id ? post_id : 0)];
			frame.post.apply(frame, params);

			if (el_clicked) {
				Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
			}
			
			if (force) {
				Dsq.Utils.createCookie('skipped_auth', true);	
			}
			
		} else {
			return false;
		}
	};

	this.editComment = function(el_clicked, post_id) {
		var edited_message = Dsq.$('dsq-edit-textarea-' + post_id).value;

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
		Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].edit(post_id, edited_message);
	};

	this.toggleEdit = function(post_id) {
		var body = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-body-' + post_id);
		var message = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + post_id);

		if (!Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id]) {


			message.style.display = 'none';
			if (Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id)) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id).style.display = 'block';
			} else {

				var edit_area = document.createElement('div');
				edit_area.id = 'dsq-edit-' + post_id;
				edit_area.className = 'dsq-edit dsq-textarea';
				edit_area.innerHTML = ' \
				<div class="dsq-textarea-wrapper"> \
					<textarea class="dsq-edit-textarea" id="dsq-edit-textarea-' + post_id + '">' + message.innerHTML + '</textarea> \
				</div> \
				<div class="dsq-save-edit"> \
					<button onclick="Dsq.Templates.editComment(this, ' + post_id + ')" class="dsq-button-small">Save Edit</button> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-edit-iframe-' + post_id + '" style="display: none"></div> \
				';

				body.appendChild(edit_area);

				if (!Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-edit-iframe-' + post_id), post_id);
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].init();
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].setState(post_id, _meta.depth);
				}
			}
		} else {

			message.style.display = 'block';
			Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id).style.display = 'none';
		}
		
		Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id] = !Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id];
	};
	
	this.edit = function(el, post_id) {

		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(post_id, button) {
		
		if(!this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]) {

			if (Dsq.$('dsq-reply-post-' + post_id)) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).style.display = 'block';
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.postBox(post_id);
				var container = Dsq.$('dsq-textarea-wrapper-' + post_id);
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id] && container) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(container, post_id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].init(function() {

						Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.postBox(post_id, true);
						Dsq.$('dsq-form-area-' + post_id).innerHTML = '';

						var theme = (typeof disqus_frame_theme == 'undefined') ? 'default' : disqus_frame_theme;
						Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-form-area-' + post_id), post_id, {theme: theme});

					});
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].setState(post_id, _meta.depth);
				}
			}
			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-append-post';
			Dsq.$('dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-comment-footer-reply-active';
			
		} else {

			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).className = '';
			Dsq.$('dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-comment-footer-reply';
		}
		
		this.stateReplyToggled[post_id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[post_id];

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie && this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]) {

		}

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: post_id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]
		});
	};
	
	this.moderateOptions = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		
		if(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator) { return false; }

		var html;
		
		html = ' \
		<div class="dsq-moderate-options"> \
		<table>'
		+ (_meta.email ? '<tr><td>Email</td><td>' + _meta.email + '</td></tr>' : '')
		+ (_meta.ip ? '<tr><td>IP address</td><td>' + _meta.ip + '</td></tr>' : '')
		+ '<tr> \
			<td>Actions</td> \
			<td><ul>'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
				? '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
				: '')
			+ '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Delete Comment</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li> \
			</ul></td> \
			</table> \
		</div> \
		';
		
		html += '<p>Go to the full <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/moderate/" target="_blank">moderate panel</a> for more options.</p>';
		
		return Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Moderate Options', post_id);
	};
	
	this.placeholder = {
		'class': 'dsq-placeholder',
		'name': Dsq.Strings.NAME,
		'email': Dsq.Strings.EMAIL,
		'website': Dsq.Strings.WEBSITE + ' (' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL.toLowerCase() + ')'
	};
	
	this.handlePlaceholder = function(evt, el, key) {
		var placeholder = Dsq.Templates.placeholder[key];
		var className = Dsq.Templates.placeholder['class'];
		
		switch(evt.type) {
			case 'focus':
				if(el.value == placeholder) {
					el.value = '';
					el.className = '';
				}
				break;

			case 'blur':
				if(el.value == '') {
					el.value = placeholder;
					el.className = className;
				}
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}
	};
	
	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked) {

		var extra_params = '';

		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked);
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'should_the_8220purpose_driven_preacher8221_pray_over_the_potus'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};
	
	
	this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {


		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-like-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
			}
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/vote.js'
				+ '?post_id='    + id
				+ '&vote='        + vote);
		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login('To rate, please log in');
		}
	};

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {

		Dsq.$('dsq-like-pts-' + post_id).innerHTML = points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this.';

		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-like-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.&nbsp;&nbsp;';
		}
	};




	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(response, parent_post_id, post_id) {
		var approved = response.message.post_meta.approved;

		if (parent_post_id) {
			Dsq.Post.toggleReply(parent_post_id);
		}

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
		
		if (approved) {
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		} else {			
			var unapproved_msg = 'Thanks for posting!\
	 Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.\
			';
			Dsq.Popup.popModal(unapproved_msg, 'Comment awaiting approval', post_id);
		}

		var sharing_results = response.message.sharing_results;
		var sharing_errors = '';
		for (var service in sharing_results) {
			if (sharing_results.hasOwnProperty(service) === true) {
				if (sharing_results[service].error === true) {
					sharing_errors += service + ', ';
				}
			}
		}

		if (sharing_results.facebook && sharing_results.facebook.callback) {
			FB.ensureInit(function() {
				FB.Connect.streamPublish('', sharing_results.facebook.attachment);
			});
		}

		if (sharing_errors !== '') {
			var message = 'Your comment was posted, but there were errors sharing with the following connections: ';
			message += sharing_errors.replace(/,\s$/, '');
			message += '<p><a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/connections" target="_blank">Configure your connections here</a></p>'
			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, 'Sharing options');
		}

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	this.postComment_onFailure = function(response, parent_post_id, post_id) {

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};
};




// TODO: It might be faster to use string methods to find all <li (...) </li> blocks and pass to Dsq.PostHandler manually.
Dsq.CommentsHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_post = Dsq.Templates.prependPost(post_id);
	var append_post = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(post_id);

	content = content.replace(Dsq.POST_RE, Dsq.PostHandler);
	Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter++;
	head = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContainer(post_id, head);
	return prepend_post + head + content + tail + append_post;
};

Dsq.PostHandler = function(str, h_head, post_id, h_content, h_tail, b_head, b_content, b_tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_header = Dsq.Templates.postPrependHeader(post_id);
	var append_header = Dsq.Templates.postAppendHeader(post_id);
	var prepend_body = Dsq.Templates.preBody(post_id);
	var append_body = Dsq.Templates.postBody(post_id);
	var append_footer = Dsq.Templates.postFooter(post_id);

	b_content = b_content.replace(Dsq.POST_BODY_RE, Dsq.PostBodyHandler);
	return h_head + prepend_header + h_content + append_header + h_tail + b_head + prepend_body + b_content + append_body + b_tail + append_footer;
};

Dsq.PostBodyHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	content = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContent(post_id, content);
	return head + content + tail;
};

Dsq.MediaPostHandler = function(str, args, offset, s) {
	args = args.split(' ');
	if(args[0] == 'seesmic') {
		return '<br />' + Dsq.Templates.mediaSeesmic(args[1], args[2]);
	}
	return '';
};


/**
 * Shorcuts
 */
Dsq.$ = function(element) { return document.getElementById(element); };
Dsq.$b = document.body || document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0];


/**
 * Dsq.Debug: Logging functions.
 */

Dsq.Debug = new function() {this.log=function(s){};this.profile=function(f){if(typeof f == 'function')return f();else return eval(f);};};


/**
 * Dsq.Urls: URL paths
 */
Dsq.Urls = new function() {
	this.LOGIN = '/profile/login/';
	this.LOGOUT = '/logout/';
	this.REPLY = 'http://jackandjillpolitics.disqus.com/should_the_8220purpose_driven_preacher8221_pray_over_the_potus/reply.html';
	this.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE = '/AnonymousUser/';
	this.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR = 'http://media.disqus.com/images/noavatar92.png';
};
// Dsq.Urls

/**
 * Dsq.Validators: Validation for form fields
 */
Dsq.Validators = new function() {
	this.VALID_EMAIL_RE = /^[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*\@(([a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*)+\.[a-z]{2,}|([0-9]+\.){3}[0-9]+)$/i;
	this.name = function(name) {
		var error = false;

		if(typeof Dsq.Templates.placeholder !== 'undefined' &&
		   name == Dsq.Templates.placeholder.name) {
			error = true;
		}
		if(name.length <= 1) {
			error = true;
		}

		if(error) {
			return "Please enter a name to comment.";
		} else {
			return true;
		}
	};
	this.email = function(addr) {
		if(Dsq.Validators.VALID_EMAIL_RE.test(addr)) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please enter a valid email to comment.";
		}
	};
	this.url = function(addr) {
		if(!addr || addr.indexOf('.') != -1) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please check your website URL (this field is optional).";
		}
	};

	this.validate = function(bulk_validation, failure_callback) {
		failure_callback = failure_callback || function(e){ alert(e); };

		for(var i = 0; i < bulk_validation.length; i++) {
			v = bulk_validation[i];
			ret = v.validator(v.value);
			if(ret !== true) {
				failure_callback(ret);
				return false;
			}
		}
		return true;
	};
};

/**
 * Dsq.Utils: Generic utility functions.
 */
Dsq.Utils = new function() {
	this.ie = /msie/i.test(navigator.userAgent) && !/opera/i.test(navigator.userAgent);
	this.ie7 = (document.all && !window.opera && window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true : false;
	this.ie6 = (!window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true: false;
	this.webkit = navigator.userAgent.indexOf('AppleWebKit/') >= 0;
	this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache = {};
	this._styleSheet = null;

	this.gebiFromElement = function(el, id, tag) {
		// This only method only helps IE.
		if(!this.ie) {
			return Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var cacheKey = el.id + '-' + tag;
			tag = tag || 'div';
			if(typeof this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] != 'undefined') {
				collection = this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey];
			} else {
				collection = el.getElementsByTagName(tag);
				this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] = collection;
			}

			for(var i = 0; i < collection.length; i++) {
				if(collection[i].id == id) {
					return collection[i];
				}
			}
			return null;
		}
	};

	this.execOnReady = function(func) {
		var node = document.createElement('document:ready');
		try {
			node.doScroll('left');
			func();
			node = null;
		} catch(err) {
			setTimeout(function() { Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(func); }, 10);
		}
	};


	// Courtesy of http://www.quirksmode.org/js/cookies.html
	this.createCookie = function(name,value,days) {
		if (days) {
			var date = new Date();
			date.setTime(date.getTime()+(days*24*60*60*1000));
			var expires = "; expires="+date.toGMTString();
		}
		else var expires = "";
		document.cookie = name+"="+value+expires+"; path=/";
	};

	this.readCookie = function(name) {
		var nameEQ = name + "=";
		var ca = document.cookie.split(';');
		for(var i=0;i < ca.length;i++) {
			var c = ca[i];
			while (c.charAt(0)==' ') c = c.substring(1,c.length);
			if (c.indexOf(nameEQ) == 0) return c.substring(nameEQ.length,c.length);
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.eraseCookie = function(name) {
		Dsq.Utils.createCookie(name,"",-1);
	};

	this.deleteNode = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			this.deleteChildren(node);
			if(typeof node.outerHTML != 'undefined') { node.outerHTML = ''; }
			else if(node.parentNode) { node.parentNode.removeChild(node); }
			delete node;
		}
	};

	this.deleteChildren = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			for(var x = node.childNodes.length-1; x >= 0; x--) {
				var childNode = node.childNodes[x];
				if(childNode.hasChildNodes()) { this.deleteChildren(childNode); }
				if(typeof childNode.outerHTML != 'undefined') { childNode.outerHTML = ''; }
				else node.removeChild(childNode);
				delete childNode;
			}
		}
	};

	this.findPos = function(obj) {
		var curleft = 0;
		var curtop = 0;
		if (obj.offsetParent) {
			do {
				curleft += obj.offsetLeft;
				curtop += obj.offsetTop;
			} while (obj = obj.offsetParent);
		}
		return [curleft,curtop];
	};

	this.getWindowSize = function() {
		var windowWidth = -1;
		var windowHeight = -1;

		if(typeof(window.innerWidth) == 'number') { //Non-IE
			windowWidth = window.innerWidth;
			windowHeight = window.innerHeight;
		} else if(document.documentElement) { // IE 6+ in 'standards compliant mode'
			windowWidth = document.documentElement.clientWidth || document.body.clientWidth;
			windowHeight = document.documentElement.clientHeight || document.body.clientHeight;
		}

		return [windowWidth, windowHeight];
	}

	this.getScrollPos = function() {
		var scrollWidth, scrollTop;

		if(document.documentElement && (document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.documentElement.scrollWidth)) {
			scrollWidth = document.documentElement.scrollWidth;
			// IE is weird here.  If no doctype is provided, document.body.scrollTop is 0,
			// otherwise document.documentElement.scrollTop is 0.
			scrollTop = document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.body.scrollTop;
		} else if(document.body.scrollTop && document.body.scrollWidth) {
			scrollWidth = document.body.scrollWidth;
			scrollTop = document.body.scrollTop;
		}

		return [scrollWidth, scrollTop];
	}

	this.addEventListener = function(instance, eventName, listener) {
		var listenerFn = listener;
		if (instance.addEventListener) {
			instance.addEventListener(eventName, listenerFn, false);
		} else if (instance.attachEvent) {
			listenerFn = function() {
				listener(window.event);
			};
			instance.attachEvent("on" + eventName, listenerFn);
		} else {
			throw new Error("Event registration not supported");
		}
		return {
			instance: instance,
			name: eventName,
			listener: listenerFn
		};
	};

	this.removeEventListener = function(event) {
		var instance = event.instance;
		if (instance.removeEventListener) {
			instance.removeEventListener(event.name, event.listener, false);
		} else if (instance.detachEvent) {
			instance.detachEvent("on" + event.name, event.listener);
		}
	};

	this.fixIframesIE = function(id) {
		var disqusThread = Dsq.$(disqus_container_id);
		var iframes = disqusThread.getElementsByTagName('iframe');

		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-content');
		}

		for(i = 0; i < iframes.length; i++) {
			if (container) {
				iframes[i].style.width = container.offsetWidth;
			}
		}
	};

	this.getElementsByClassName = function(oElm, strTagName, strClassName) {
	/* Credit: Jonathan Snook [http://www.snook.ca/jonathan], Robert Nyman [http://www.robertnyman.com] */
		var arrElements = (strTagName == "*" && oElm.all)? oElm.all : oElm.getElementsByTagName(strTagName);
		var arrReturnElements = new Array();
		strClassName = strClassName.replace(/\-/g, "\\-");
		var oRegExp = new RegExp("(^|\\s)" + strClassName + "(\\s|$)");
		var oElement;
		for(var i = 0; i < arrElements.length; i++) {
			oElement = arrElements[i];
			if(oRegExp.test(oElement.className)) {
				arrReturnElements.push(oElement);
			}
		}
		return (arrReturnElements);
	};

	this.postToUrl = function(url, post_data, opt_redirect) {
		var form = document.createElement('form');
		var iframe_container = document.createElement('div');
		var id = 'dsq-temp-iframe-' + (new Date()).getTime();

		form.method = 'POST';
		form.action = url;
		if (!opt_redirect) {
			form.target = id;
		}
		iframe_container.innerHTML = '<iframe style="display:none" name="' + id + '" id="' + id + '"></iframe>';

		for(var key in post_data) {
			if(post_data.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var input = document.createElement('input');
				input.name = key;
				input.type = 'hidden';
				input.value = post_data[key];

				form.appendChild(input);
			}
		}

		Dsq.$b.appendChild(iframe_container);
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(form);
		form.submit();
	};

	// Strips integer id from id of element in the form ('some-id-###')
	this.extractId = function(e) {
		var chunks = e.id.split('-');
		if(chunks.length <= 1) {
			return 0;
		} else {
			return parseInt(chunks[chunks.length-1]);
		}
	};

	this.getStyle = function(el, styleProp) {
		if(el.currentStyle) {
			var y = el.currentStyle[styleProp];
		} else if(window.getComputedStyle) {
			var y = document.defaultView.getComputedStyle(el, null).getPropertyValue(styleProp);
		}

		if(y == 'transparent' || y == '') {
			this.getStyle(el.parentNode, styleProp);
		} else {
			return y;
		}
	};

	this.execScript = function(url, append_qs, container) {
		var script = document.createElement('script');
		append_qs = typeof append_qs == 'undefined' ? true : append_qs;
		container = container || Dsq.container;

		if(append_qs) {
			var j = (url.indexOf('?') >= 0) ? '&' : '?';
			url += j + (new Date()).getTime();
		}
		script.type = 'text/javascript';
		script.charset = 'UTF-8';
		script.src = url;
		container.appendChild(script);
		return script;
	};

	this.pluralize = function(num, singular, plural) {
		return (num != 1) ? plural || 's' : singular || '';
	};

	this.getRequestParams = function(queryString /* optional */) {
		var pairs, tuple;
		var params = {};

		queryString = queryString || window.location.search.substring(1);
		pairs = queryString.split('&');

		for (var i = 0, pair; pair = pairs[i]; i++) {
			tuple = pair.split('=');
			params[tuple[0]] = (tuple[1] || true);
		}

		return params;
	};

	this.addCssRule = function(selector, styleText, index) {
		var stylesheet;
		index = index || 0;

		if(!this._styleSheet) {
			var styleEl = document.createElement('style');
			document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(styleEl);
			this._styleSheet = styleEl.sheet;
			if(!this._styleSheet) {
				// IE does not like our newly created stylesheet.
				this._styleSheet = document.styleSheets[document.styleSheets.length-1];
			}
		}
		stylesheet = this._styleSheet;

		if(stylesheet.insertRule) {
			var ruleText = selector + ' { ' + styleText + ' }';
			if(index == -1) {
				index = stylesheet.cssRules.length;
			}
			stylesheet.insertRule(ruleText, index);
		} else if(stylesheet.addRule) {
			stylesheet.addRule(selector, styleText, index);
		}
	};

	this.forEachIn = function(obj, callback) {
		for(var key in obj) {
			if(obj.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				callback(key, obj[key]);
			}
		}
	};

	this._interpolateGlobalContext = {
		// values that get used a lot and are global to the request
		'profile_url': Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE,

		'disqus_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url,
		'media_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url,
		'request_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.username,
		'request_display_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username,
		'forum_name': Dsq.jsonData.forum.name
	};

	this.renderFromContextStack = function(key, contexts) {
		// Returns the first instance of `key` in the array of objects `contexts` or else ''
		for (var i=0; i<contexts.length; i++) {
			if (contexts[i][key] !== undefined) {
				return String(contexts[i][key]);
			}
		}
		throw new Error('key ' + key + ' not found in context');
	};

	var that = this;
	this.interpolate = function(fmt, opt_localContext) {
		// Interpolate `fmt` named-format string with an assumed global context.
		// Based on `interpolate` in django.views.i18n
		var contextStack = [opt_localContext || {}, that._interpolateGlobalContext];
		return fmt.replace(/%\(\w+\)s/g, function(match){
			return that.renderFromContextStack(match.slice(2,-2), contextStack);
		});
	};

	this.stripTags = function(s) {
		// Removes HTML tags from `s`
		return s.replace(/(<([^>]+)>)/g,"");

	};

	this.assert = function(b) {
		if (!b) {
			throw new Error('Assertion error.');
		}
	};

};
// Dsq.Utils

/**
 * Dsq.Popup: Popup helper functions.
 */
Dsq.Popup = new function() {
	this.timeHide = new Array();
	this.timeShow = new Array();
	this.activePopup = {};
	this.profileCache = {};
	this.statusCache = {};

	this.showTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the hide timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeHide[post_id]);

		// start the timer
		if(!Dsq.Popup.profileIsOn && !Dsq.Thread.adminIsOn) {
			this.timeShow[post_id] = setTimeout("Dsq.Popup.popProfile(\"" + post_id + "\")", 400);
		}
	};

	this.hideTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the show timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeShow[post_id]);
	};

	this.updateProfile = function(username) {
		// Callback from /embed/profile.js
		if (this.statusCache[username]) {
			var statusEl = Dsq.$('dsq-profile-status-' + username);
			statusEl.innerHTML = this.statusCache[username];
			statusEl.style.display = 'block';
		}

		if (this.profileCache[username]) {
			var _cache = this.profileCache[username];

			var _genhtml = function(text) { return '<span><big>' + text + '</big></span>'; };
			var _no_comments = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_COMMENTS(_cache.comments_count));
			var _no_likes = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_LIKES(_cache.likes_count));
			var _no_points = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_POINTS(_cache.points));

			var statsEl = Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + username);
			statsEl.innerHTML = '';

			if (Dsq.jsonData.users[username].registered) {
				statsEl.innerHTML = _no_comments + _no_likes;
			}
			statsEl.innerHTML += _no_points;

			var activeSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.active_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.active_sites[i];
				activeSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (activeSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = activeSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = 'This site.';
			}

			var moderatedSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.moderated_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.moderated_sites[i];
				moderatedSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (moderatedSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + username).innerHTML = moderatedSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + username).innerHTML = '';
			}
		}

		// Reposition popup after full HTML is rendered
		if(Dsq.Popup.activePopup && Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el) {
			Dsq.Popup.initPopup(Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.type);
		}

	};

	this.showCookieMsgs = function() {
		var title = '';
		var message = '';
		var numAlerts = 0;

		Dsq.Utils.forEachIn(Dsq.jsonData.cookie_messages, function(k, v) {
			if (!v) return;

			switch(k) {
				// Cookie: Twitter
				case 'post_twitter':
					if (v === 'error') {
						title = 'Twitter Error!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-error">Oops, we couldn\'t tweet this comment. Please check your <a href="http://disqus.com/account/services">account settings</a>.</li>';
					} else {
						var _msg = v.split(':');
						title = 'Tweeted!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-success">Your comment was successfully tweeted. <a href="http://twitter.com/' + _msg[0] + '/status/' + _msg[1] + '">Click here to view the tweet</a>.</li>';
					}
					break;
				// Cookie: Unapproved Post
				case 'post_not_approved':
					title = 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-not-approved">Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.</li>';
					break;
				// Cookie: Profile Found
				case 'post_has_profile':
					title = 'Use your existing commenter profile';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-has-profile">You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a></li>';
					break;
				case 'user_created':
					var _data = v.split(':');
					title = 'Profile created!';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-user-created">You have just created a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, the best way to claim, manage, and track your comments all over the web. \
					<br /><br />A confirmation is being sent to <strong>' + _data[1] + '</strong>. Please check for this email in order to verify your profile. \
					<ul class="dsq-list-tick"> \
						<li>Your username is <strong>' + _data[0] +'</strong>. <a href="http://disqus.com/people/' + _data[0] + '/" target="_blank">Click here to view your public profile</a>.</li> \
						<li>Be sure to set your profile picture, as well as connect your <span class="dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> and <span class="dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> accounts. <a href="http://disqus.com/account/" target="_blank">Click here for account settings</a>.</li> \
					</ul> \
					</li>'
					break;
				default:
					break;
			}
			numAlerts++;
		});

		if(numAlerts > 1) {
			message = '<ul class="dsq-list-bluebullet">' + message;
			message += '</ul>';
			title = 'Thanks for posting!';
		}
		if(numAlerts > 0) {
			if(typeof(disqus_cookie_msgs) == 'function') {
				disqus_cookie_msgs(message, title);
			} else {
				Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
			}
		}
	};

	this.helpBadges = function(post_id) {
		var html = ' \
			<ul class="dsq-popup-help"> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile with a confirmed email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, but has not yet confirmed his or her email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span> is not logged in with any account and has not claimed his or her comments.</li> \
				<li class="dsq-help-otheraccts">Other accounts</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> is using his or her Facebook profile via Facebook Connect.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> is using his or her Twitter profile via Twitter Sign-in.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-openid">OpenID</span> is using his or her OpenID.</li> \
			</ul> \
		';

		this.popModal(html, 'Help: Types of Commenters', post_id);
		return;
	};

	this.permalink = function(post_id) {
		var header = 'Link to this comment';
		var body = '<strong>You are anchored to</strong>:<br />' + document.location.protocol + '//' + document.location.host + document.location.pathname + document.location.search + '#comment-' + post_id;

		this.popModal(body, header, post_id);
	};

	this.login = function(header, body) {
		var h = header || 'Login or Register';
		var b = body || '';
		b += Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: 'dsq-popup-login'});
		b += '</iframe>'; // HACK: Sometimes there is something funky with the IFRAME SRC that causes no end tag
		this.popModal(b, h, null, true, 'dsq-popup-login');
	};

	this.blacklist = function(id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		var title = 'Add to Blacklist';
		var message = ' \
		Adding this person to the blacklist will block him or her from commenting on this site. Check the following types that you would like to add to the blacklist:'
		+ (userData['registered'] ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-username" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-username"><strong>Username</strong>: ' + userData['username'] + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ (_meta.email ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-email" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-email"><strong>Email address</strong>: ' + _meta.email + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ '<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
			<input id="dsq-blacklist-ip" type="checkbox" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-blacklist-ip-warning\').style.display=\'block\'"> \
			<label for="dsq-blacklist-ip"><strong>IP address</strong>: ' + _meta.ip + '</label> \
		</div> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p id="dsq-blacklist-ip-warning" style="display:none">	\
				Note: Blocking this person\'s IP address may also unintentionally prevent others, who share his/her IP address, from commenting on this site. \
				This may include people who are sharing the same computer, living in the same house, or using the same Internet provider. Only block an IP address as a last resort. \
			</p> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p style="text-align:center"><button onclick="Dsq.Post.blockUser(' + id + '); this.disabled=true; this.innerHTML=\'Just one moment...\'">Add to Blacklist</button></p> \
		';

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
	};

	this.remoteAccountSettings = function() {
		var body = '';
		// Set up IFrame.
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/_auth/embed/remote_settings/';
		var attributes = {id: 'dsq-popup-account-settings'};
		if (typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}

		body = Dsq.Templates._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
		this.popModal(body, 'Account Settings', null, true, 'dsq-popup-account-settings');
	};

	this.popModal = function(message, title, post_id, use_listener, extra_classes) {
		var container = document.createElement('div');
		var header, body;

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);

		if(typeof(title) == 'undefined') { title = ''; }
		if(typeof(use_listener) == 'undefined') { use_listener = true; }

		if(post_id) {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message-' + post_id;
		} else {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message';
		}

		header = title;
		body = message;

		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupModal(header, body);
		Dsq.Popup.initPopup(container, post_id, 'message', extra_classes);
		if(use_listener) {
			Dsq.Popup.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', Dsq.Popup._closePopup);
		}
	};

	this.popAlert = this.popModal;

	this.loading = function(post_id) {
		var title = Dsq.Strings.JUST_A_MOMENT;
		var body = '<div style="text-align:center; padding: 5px 0 10px 0"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif" alt="" /></div>'
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
	};

	this.lightbox = function(message, title, post_id) {
		// Wraps Dsq.Popup.popModal

		var overlay = document.createElement('div');
		overlay.id = 'dsq-overlay';
		overlay.className = 'dsq-overlay';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(overlay);
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, post_id, false, 'dsq-lightbox');
	};

	this.popProfile = function(post_id, userKey) {
		var post = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id];
		if (post && post.has_been_anonymized) {
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('This message was anonymized by its previous owner.', 'Anonymized', post_id);
			return;
		}

		if(post_id) {
			userKey = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id].user_key;	
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][userKey];
		var elId = 'dsq-popup-profile-' + userKey;
		var container = document.createElement('div');

		if(this.activePopup.el) {
			this._closePopup(null, true);
			if(this.activePopup.linkClicked) {
				this.activePopup.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		container.id = elId;
		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupProfile(userKey);

		this.initPopup(container, post_id, 'profile');
		this.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._closePopup);

		if(!this.profileCache[userKey]) {
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/embed/profile.js'
				+ '?username=' + userKey
				+ '&anon=' + (userData['registered'] ? 0 : 1)
				+ '&f=' + Dsq.jsonData['request'].forum);
		} else {
			this.updateProfile(userKey);
		}
	};

	this._closePopup = function(e, force) {
		var activePopup = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el;
		var id = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id;
		var link = 'dsq-avatar-' + id; // HACK: Specific to profile toggle target

		// HACK: This event should be gone if there is no active popup.
		if(!activePopup) {
			return;
		}
		if(force || !Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, activePopup.id)) {
			// TODO: This is breaking iE?
			if(Dsq.Popup.popupListener) {
				Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Popup.popupListener);
			}
			
			// Kill overlay
			var overlay = Dsq.$('dsq-overlay');
			if(overlay) { Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(overlay); }
			
			try {
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(activePopup);
			} catch(e) {
				// HACK: IE6 throws an error when using deleteNode() with a node containing a <table> in the html.
				activePopup.parentNode.removeChild(activePopup);
			}
			Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {};
		}

		if(!force && Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Popup.activePopup.linkClicked = true;
		}

	};

	this.initPopup = function(popup, post_id, type, extra_classes) {
		popup.className = 'dsq-popup dsq-popup-' + type + ' ' + (extra_classes ? extra_classes : '');
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6 || Dsq.Utils.ie7) {
			// HACK: We can't modify the body before it's ready, so we need
			//       to use an IE-safe "DOMReady" workaround before loading
			//       our popup.
			Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(function() {Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup); });
		} else {
			Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup);
		}

		popup.style.display = 'block';

		var xPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[0] - popup.offsetWidth) / 2;
		var yPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[1] - popup.offsetHeight) / 2;

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) {
			yPos += Dsq.Utils.getScrollPos()[1];
		}

		popup.style.left = xPos + 'px';
		popup.style.top = yPos + 'px';

		Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {
			'el' : popup,
			'id' : post_id,
			'type': type,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};
	};

	this.isClicked = function(e, id) {
		var t = e.target || e.srcElement;
		while(t && t.parentNode) {
			if(t.id == id) {
				return true;
			}

			t = t.parentNode;
		}
		return false;
	};
};
// Dsq.Popup

/**
 * Dsq.Templates
 */
Dsq.Templates = new function() {
	/*
	 * Counter keeping track of the number of posts iterated over.
	 */
	this.postLoopCounter = 0;
	this.filters = {};
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-post-add';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-post-add';

	this.registerTemplate = function(name, func) {
		this['$$_' + name] = func;

		if(typeof DsqLocal.Filters != 'undefined'
		&& typeof DsqLocal.Filters[name] == 'function') {
			// Push filters to this.filters to unify code.
			this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
			this.filters[name].push(DsqLocal.Filters[name]);
		}

		this[name] = function() {
			var ret;

			if(typeof DsqLocal.Templates != 'undefined'
			&& typeof DsqLocal.Templates[name] == 'function') {
				ret = DsqLocal.Templates[name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(ret === undefined) {
				ret = this['$$_' + name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(this.filters[name]) {
				var args = [ret];

				args.push.apply(args, arguments);
				for(var i = 0; i < this.filters[name].length; i++) {
					ret = this.filters[name][i].apply(this, args);
				}
			}

			return ret;
		};
	};

	this.registerFilter = function(name, func) {
		this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
		this.filters[name].push(func);
	};

	/**
	 * Dsq.Templates.Filters
	 */
	this.Filters = new function() {
		this.commentContainer = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var classes = [];
			if(Dsq.jsonData.request.page > 1) {
				classes.push('dsq-append');
			}

			//
			// Extra classes used for custom themes
			//

			if(_meta.depth) {
				classes.push('dsq-comment-child', 'dsq-depth-' + _meta.depth, 'dsq-parent-is-' + _meta.parent_post_id);
			}


			//

			if(_meta.author_is_creator) {
				// TODO: We need to deprecate the "special" class since it is not properly prefixed.
				classes.push('special', 'dsq-special');
			}
			if(_meta.author_is_moderator) {
				classes.push('dsq-moderator');
			}
			classes.push(['dsq-odd', 'dsq-even'][Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter % 2]);

			s = s.substring(0, s.lastIndexOf('>'));
			return s + ' class="dsq-comment ' + classes.join(' ') + '" style="margin-left:' + _meta.depth*30 + 'px">';
		};

		this.commentContent = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			if (_meta.killed) {
				return '<em>Comment removed.</em>';
			} else if (!_meta.approved) {
				return '<em>This comment was flagged for review.</em>';
			}

			s = s.replace(Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE, Dsq.MediaPostHandler);
			return s;
		};
	};

	//
	// Thread
	//
	// TODO: These need to be stripped of all Django template tags.

	this.authPost = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			return '';
		}
		var result = [];
		result = result.concat([
				'<div id="dsq-auth"',
						Dsq.jsonData.integration.reply_position ? 'class="dsq-auth-bottom"' : '',
						'>',
					'<div class="dsq-by">',
						'<a href="http://disqus.com" target="_blank">',
							(Dsq.jsonData.integration.disqus_logo ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/by-disqus.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">') :
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/dsq-button-120x19.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">')
							),
						'</a>',
					'</div>',
					'<div class="dsq-auth-header">',
						'<h3 id="dsq-add-new-comment" class="dsq-h3-addcomment">',
								Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT,
						'</h3>',
						'<div id="dsq-login">',
						(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
								? '<p class="dsq-login-message" id="dsq-login-message">You are commenting as a <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. You may select one to log into:</p>'
								: '')
		]);
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			result = result.concat([
							Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
								'<a id="dsq-login-toggle" href="%(disqus_url)s%(login_url)s?next=article:%(thread_id)s" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsq-profile-btn.png" title="%(log_into)s" alt="%(log_into)s"/></a>',
								{login_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGIN, thread_id: Dsq.jsonData.thread.id, log_into: Dsq.Strings.LOG_INTO_DISQUS}
								),
							'&nbsp; ',
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ?
								'<div id="dsq-fbc-login" onlogin="DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin()" size="medium" background="light" length="short" style="display:inline; margin-right:7px"></div>' :
								''
							),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-twitter-login" class="dsq-twitter-login" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect();" style="display:inline; cursor: pointer"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/twitter-signin-short.png" style="margin-right:7px" /></div>', {}) : ''),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-openid-login" class="dsq-openid-login" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL();" style="display:inline; cursor:pointer;"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/openid-login-button.png"/></div>', {}
								) : '')
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
						'</div>', // dsq-login
					'</div>', // dsq-auth-header
					'<div id="dsq-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated" ',
						Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated ? 'style="display:block"' : '',
						'>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-pic">',
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">' +
																			'<img class="dsq-post-avatar" src="%(avatar_url)s" alt="" /></a>',
																			{avatar_url: Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR,
																			url: (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
																					 ? Dsq.jsonData.request.url
																					 : Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE) }),
						'</div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>', {url:Dsq.jsonData.request.url})
										  )
										: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(profile_url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>')
											)
									),
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">',
									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsqicon12.png" alt="%(logged_in_as)s"/>&nbsp',
											{logged_in_as: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username)})
										: ''),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="%(logout_from_disqus)s">',
											{logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN, logout_from_disqus: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('DISQUS')})
										: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'twitter')
												? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using Twitter (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
												 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
												: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'openid')
													 ? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using OpenID (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
													 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
													 : ''
													)
											)
									),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote ? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('<span class="logo-disqus">DISQUS</span>') : ''),
									'</a>',
								'</li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
		]);
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect) {
			result = result.concat([
					'<div id="dsq-fbc-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated">',
						'<div id="dsq-fbc-profilepic" class="dsq-authenticated-pic" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.ProfilePic" size="square" facebook-logo="true"></div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									'Logged in as <span id="dsq-fbc-name" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.Name" linked="true" useyou="false"></span>',
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">using Facebook Connect <a href="#" onclick="javascript:DisqusFbcParentController.logout();return false;">(Logout)</a></li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
				'</div>', // dsq-auth
				'<div id="dsq-toolbar-items">',
				'</div>'
		]);
		result = result.concat([
					//
					//
					//
				((!Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) ?
					// Needs to be translated:
					('<p id="dsq-no-anon-msg">Required: Please log into <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> ' +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? 'or connect with Facebook ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? 'or sign in with Twitter ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? 'or sign in using OpenID ' : '') +
					Dsq.Utils.interpolate('to comment on <strong>%(forum_name)s</strong>.</p>')) :
					''
				),
				'<div id="dsq-post-add"></div>',
				'<div style="margin:10px 0">',
				((Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media) ?
						'<a href="#" id="dsq-media-link" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, false, \'media\'); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.USE_MEDIA + ' <small>&#9660;</small></a>' :
						''),
				'</div>'
		]);
		return result.join('');
	};


	this.header = function() {

		var html = '\<h3 id="dsq-comments-count" class="dsq-h3-commentcount">\
	 <span id="dsq-num-posts">267</span> Comments\
	 &nbsp;\
	 <span class="dsq-item-feed">\
	 <a href="http://jackandjillpolitics.disqus.com/should_the_8220purpose_driven_preacher8221_pray_over_the_potus/latest.rss"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/bullet-feed.png"></a>\
	 </span>\
	 </h3>\
	 <div id="dsq-options" style="margin:15px 0">\
	 <span class="dsq-item-sort">\
	 Sort by\
	 <select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);">\
	 <option value="hot" selected="selected">Popular now</option>\
	 <option value="best" >Best Rating</option>\
	 <option value="newest" >Newest first</option>\
	 <option value="oldest" >Oldest first</option>\
	 </select>\
	 &nbsp;\
	 </span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-cp"><a href="http://jackandjillpolitics.disqus.com/should_the_8220purpose_driven_preacher8221_pray_over_the_potus/">Community Page</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-subscribe">\
	 <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle">\
	 <span id="dsq-subscribe">\
	 <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a>\
	 </span>\
	 </span>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-alerts">\
	 <p><a href="http://disqus.com/profile/login/?next=article:8529773" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false">You must log into your Disqus Profile in order to post comments.</a></p>\
	 </div>\
		';

		

		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) { 
			html = ' \
			<div class="dsq-alert-message dsq-upgrade-message"> \
				<strong>Disqus upgrade available.</strong> Hi ' + Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username + ', this message is being displayed to you because you are a moderator of this site. <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-upgrade-message\').style.display=\'block\';this.style.display=\'none\';return false">Click here for details.</a> \
				<div style="display:none; margin-top:10px;" id="dsq-upgrade-message"> \
					A new theme is available with added features. <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/settings/' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url + '/?p=customize">To change your theme, click here</a> and choose the theme Narcissus. \
					If you do not upgrade, you are missing out on features such as: real-time commenting, new sign-in integrations, and an upgrade interface. \
					<strong>This message will automatically go away in one week.</strong> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			' + html; 
		}
		return html;
	};

	this.footer = function() {
		var html = Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.authPost();
		

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.trackbacks();
		

		return html;
	};

	this.pagination = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) { Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = ''; }
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.thread.paginate) { return ''; }

		//
		// TODO: num_paginator still uses the template tag for pagination, 
		// 		while append_paginator does it all in JavaScript.
		//		This should all be in JavaScript.
		//

		if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages > 1 && Dsq.jsonData.request.page < Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages) {
			html = ' \<a class="dsq-paginate-append-text" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this); return false">Show more comments...</a>\
	 <button class="dsq-button-small dsq-paginate-append-button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this);">Load more comments</button>\
			';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = html;
			return '';
		} else {
			return '<div id="dsq-pagination" class="dsq-pagination">' + html + '</div>';
		}
	};

	this.trackbacks = function() {
		var html = '';

		if(typeof DsqLocal != 'undefined' && DsqLocal.trackback_url && DsqLocal.trackbacks) {
			var trackbacks = DsqLocal.trackbacks;
			var trackback_url = DsqLocal.trackback_url;
		} else {
			var trackbacks = [
			
			
			];
			var trackback_url = 'http://jackandjillpolitics.disqus.com/should_the_8220purpose_driven_preacher8221_pray_over_the_potus/trackback/';
		}

		html += '<div class="dsq-item-trackback">Trackback URL&nbsp;&nbsp;<input class="dsq-trackback-url" onclick="this.select()" readonly="true" value="' + trackback_url + '"></div>';

		if(trackbacks.length) {
			html += '<ul id="dsq-references">'
			for(var i = 0; i < trackbacks.length; i++) {
				var trackback = trackbacks[i];
				html += '<li><cite><a href="' + trackback.author_url + '" rel="nofollow">' + trackback.author_name + '</a></cite> \
						<p class="dsq-meta">' + trackback.date + '</p> \
						<p class="dsq-content">' + trackback.excerpt + '</p></li>';
			}
			html += '</ul>';
			html = '<h3 class="dsq-h3-trackbacks">Trackbacks</h3>' + html;
		}

		return html;
	}

	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		/* Reaction HTML begins */
		var item = '<li class="dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-header-avatar">';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'">';
		} else {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="#" onclick="return false;">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {
			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar32.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png"/>'
			+ '</a></div>'
			+ '<cite><span>' + reaction.author_name + '</span></cite>'
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"><a class="dsq-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</a></span>'
			+ '</div><div class="dsq-reaction-body">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-footer">From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
			+ 'via ' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? '<a href="http://backtype.com/">BackType</a>' : '<a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">UberVU</a>')
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator ? '&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;<a class="dsq-hide-reaction" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + '); return false;">Hide</a>' : '') + '</div></div>';

		if(reaction.retweets) {
			var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
			if (num_retweets > 0) {
				item += '<div class="dsq-reaction-retweets">';
				if (num_retweets == 1) {
					item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
				} else {
					item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');

					item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
					var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 15) ? 15 : num_retweets;
					item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);

					if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
						item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
							+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
					}
				}
				item += '</div>';
			}
		}

		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this.missingPermissions = function() {
		return '	<p><a href="http://disqus.com/profile/login/?next=article:8529773" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false">You must log into your Disqus Profile in order to post comments.</a></p> \n';
	};

	//
	// Post
	//

	this.prependPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="comment-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-comment-reply-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-header-avatar" id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
				<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
				? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '</a>'
			+ '</div> \
		';
	};

	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];

		return ''
			+ (_meta.author_is_moderator
				? '<img class="dsq-mod-star" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/bullet-star.png" title="Moderator" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"> \
				<a id="dsq-time-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-time" href="#comment-' + post_id + '" title="Permalink">' + _meta.date + '</a> \
			</span>';
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		return '';
	}

	this.postBody = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Deprecate flagging conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		return ''
			+ (_meta.edited
				? '<p class="dsq-editedtxt">(Edited by a moderator)</p>'
				: '')
			;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Use media should be conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed) { return ''; }

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
				<div id="dsq-points-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-likedtxt">'
				+ (_meta.points
					? _meta.points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(_meta.points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.'
					: '')
				+ '</div>'
				+ '<ul class="dsq-comment-options dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.votable
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first dsq-rate" id="dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id + '">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Like</a>'
						: 'You liked this.') + '</li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-report' + (!_meta.votable ? ' dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '"><a href="#" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">Report</a></li> \
				</ul> \
				<ul class="dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first"><a href="#" id="dsq-reply-link-' + post_id +'" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(this, ' + post_id +'); return false;">Reply</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<li id="dsq-edit-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-edit-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="' + (!_meta.can_reply ? 'dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-more-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-more-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'more\'); return false">More <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media
					? '<li id="dsq-media-el-' + post_id +'" style="display:none"><a id="dsq-media-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'media\'); return false">Use Media <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '</ul>'
				+ '<div id="dsq-reply-bar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar" style="display:none"> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-items-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-items"> \
						</div> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-auth-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-auth"> \
							 \
								 \
									<a href="#" class="dsq-help dsq-reply-req-opt" title="You must log into an account in order to comment on Jack and Jill Politics" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Required:</a> \
								 \
								<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/dsq-favicon-16x16.png" alt="" /> \
								<a id="dsq-reply-login-' + post_id + '" href="http://disqus.com/profile/login/?next=article:8529773" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false">Login</a> \
								 \
									&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img class="fb_login_image" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/images/fbconnect/login-buttons/connect_light_small_short.gif" alt="Facebook Connect"/> \
									<a href="#" onclick="FB.Connect.requireSession(DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin); return false;">Connect</a> \
								 \
								&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/twitter-signin-icon.png" alt="" /> \
									<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect(); return false">Sign-in</a> \
								 \
								 \
							 \
						</div> \
					</div> \
					<div id="dsq-reply-' + post_id + '"></div> \
			</div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Iframes
	//

	this._makeAttributes = function(attributes) {
		// Makes a tag attributes string out of an object.
		// Caller is responsible for making sure nothing needs to be escaped.
		var result = [];
		for (key in attributes) {
			result.push(' ' + key + '="' + attributes[key] + '"');
		}
		result = result.join('');
		return result;
	};

	this._frameGeneric = function(base_url, params, attributes) {
		if(typeof(disqus_callback_params) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_callback_params = '';
		}

		var default_params = {
			// TODO: These should be moved to Dsq.jsonData.
			'f'				: 'jackandjillpolitics',
			't'				: 'should_the_8220purpose_driven_preacher8221_pray_over_the_potus',
			// Do we need encodeURIComponent here?
			'ifrs'			: encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css),
			'to_redirect'	: encodeURIComponent(window.location),
			'cbp'			: disqus_callback_params,
			'ff'			: Dsq.Thread.ff,
			'fc'			: Dsq.Thread.fc,
			'ac'			: Dsq.Thread.ac,
			'default_text'	: disqus_default_text
		};

		base_url += '?' + (new Date()).getTime();
		// Add params to default_params.
		if(params) {
			for(var key in params) {
				if(params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					default_params[key] = encodeURIComponent(params[key]);
				}
			}
		}
		// Build querystring.
		for(var key in default_params) {
			if(default_params[key] && default_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				base_url += '&' + key + '=' + default_params[key];
			}
		}

		return [
			'<iframe marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" hspace="0" vspace="0" frameborder="0"',
			(' allowtransparency="true" src="' + base_url + '"'),
			this._makeAttributes(attributes),
			'</iframe>'].join('');
	};

	this.frameLogin = function(opt_attributes) {
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/login.html';
		var attributes = opt_attributes || {};
		attributes['class'] = 'dsq-post-login';

		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameReply = function(post_id, extra_params, attributes) {
		// Returns the HTML for a reply iframe. Called by Dsq.Iframes.setReplyIframeToContainer
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY;
		var params = {
			'def_email'		: disqus_def_email,
			'def_name'		: disqus_def_name
		};
		if(extra_params) {
			for(var key in extra_params) {
				if(extra_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					params[key] = extra_params[key];
				}
			}
		}
		if(_meta) {
			params['parent_post'] = post_id;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			params['per_page'] = disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			attributes['class'] += '-authenticated';
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameEdit = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/edit.html';
		var params = {
			'p' : post_id
		};
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, {'class': 'dsq-post-edit', 'name': 'dsq-edit_' + post_id + '-frame'});
	};

	//
	// Menus
	//

	this.menuMore = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: "Remove post" button should hide menu.
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')">Link</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Profile</a></li>'
	+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
		? '	<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>' + (_meta.email ? '<li class="dsq-admin-email">' + _meta.email + '</li>' : '')
		+ '	<li class="dsq-admin-ip">' + _meta.ip + '</li> \
			<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>'
		+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
			? ' <li class="dsq-admin-edit"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
			: '')
		+ ' <li class="dsq-remove"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Remove Comment</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-report-spam"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-block-user"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li>'
		: '');
	};

	this.menuMedia = function(post_id) {
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(this, ' + post_id + ', \'seesmic\'); return false;">Record video</a></li> \
		';
	};

	this.dropProfile = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};


		var menu = '<li class="dsq-drop-showlnk"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Expand &#8663;</a></li>';
		var pointsMessage = '';
		if (userData['registered']) {
			pointsMessage = 'with ' + userData['points'] + ' points (more points are better).';
		}

		if (userData['is_remote']) {
			var domain = userData['remote_domain_name'];
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' is a ' + domain + ' user ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
			menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-' + domain.toLowerCase() + '">' + domain + '</span></li>';
		} else if (userData['registered']) {
			if (userData['verified']) {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a verified commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span></li>';
			} else {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a registered, but unverified, commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span></li>';
			}
		} else {
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has not claimed this commenter profile." onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()"><span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span></li>';
		}

		menu += _includeServices();
		return menu;
	};

	//
	// Popups
	//

	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-top"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-body" class="clearfix"> \
				<div class="dsq-popup-body-padding"> \
					<div class="dsq-popup-header"> \
						<a class="dsq-close-link" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/modal-close.png" alt="" /></a>'
						+ content['header']
					+ '</div>'
					+ content['body']
					+ '<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
				</div> <!-- padding --> \
			</div> <!-- body --> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-bottom"></div> \
		</div> \
		';
	};

	this.popupProfile = function(user_key) {
		var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(user_key, null);
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var html = '';
			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == 0
					? '<h4>Connections</h4><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li> \
					<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" title="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" /> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>'
				+ (i+1 == userServices.length ? '</ul>' : '');
			}
			return html;
		};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<table> \
				<tr> \
					<td> \
						<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><img class="dsq-popup-profile-avatar" src="' + userData['avatar'] + '" alt="" /></a> \
					</td> \
					<td> \
						<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user"> \
							<h3>' + userData['display_name'] + '</h3> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats" id="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + user_key + '">Loading...</div> \
						</div> \
					</td> \
				</tr> \
			</table> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-state"> \
				This is a&nbsp;<span class="'
					+ (userData['registered']
						? (userData['verified']
							? ' dsq-badge-verified'
							: (userData['is_remote']
								? ' dsq-badge-' + userData['remote_domain_name'].toLowerCase()
								: ' dsq-badge-registered')
							)
							: ' dsq-badge-guest') + '">'
			+ (userData['registered']
				? (userData['verified']
					? 'Verified'
					: (userData['is_remote']
						 ? userData['remote_domain_name']
						 : 'Registered')
					)
				: 'Guest')
			+ '</span>&nbsp;commenter profile.'
			+ '&nbsp;<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><strong>View more comments </strong></a>'
			+ (!userData['points']
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice">If this is you, <a href="http://disqus.com/profile" target="_blank">claim it now</a> to manage your comments.</p>'
				: '')
			+ ((userData['registered'] && !userData['verified'] && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username == userData['username'])) && !userData['is_remote'])
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice"><strong>Alert</strong>: You have not verified this account. <a href="http://disqus.com/verify">Verify it now.</a></p>'
				: '')
			+ '</div> \
			<div id="dsq-profile-status-' + user_key + '" class="dsq-popup-profile-status" style="display:none"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-snapshot"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td> \
							<div id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Most active sites</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
						<td>'
							+ _includeServices()
							+ '<div id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Moderator of</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupReblog = function() {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<cite><span>Reblog this comment</span></cite> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div id="dsq-reblog-form" class="dsq-reblog-form"> \
			</div> \
		';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupModal = function(title, message) {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<h3>' + title + '</h3> \
		';

		bodyHtml = message;

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.alertContent = function(name, post_id) {
		var alert = {
			'post_not_approved': {
				'title': 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator',
				'message': 'Thanks for posting. Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.'
			},
			'post_has_profile': {
				'title': 'Use your existing commenter profile',
				'message': 'You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> commenter profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a>'
			}
		};
		return alert[name] || false;
	};

	//
	// Actions
	//

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {
		// Update number of points
		Dsq.$('dsq-points-' + post_id).innerHTML = points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.';

		// Update link text
		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.';
		}
	};

	this.subscribed = function(status) {
		var title, message;

		if(status) {
			title = 'Subscribed!';
			message = 'You have subscribed to this comment thread. New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox, where you may read and respond by email.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">Unsubscribe</a> \
			';
		} else {
			title = 'Unsubscribed';
			message = 'You have unsubscribed to this comment thread. New comments will no longer be sent to your email inbox.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a> \
			';
		}

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);

	};
	
	this.highlighted = function() {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('This comment has been highlighted.', 'Highlighted comment');
	};

	//
	// Media
	//

	this.mediaSeesmic = function(id, thumb) {
		return ' \
			<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_preview" class="dsq-seesmic-preview"><a href="http://www.seesmic.com/video/' + id + '" target="_blank" class="see_link">&nbsp;</a> \
				<div style="display:block;width:160px; height:120px; border:none; background-image:url(http://t.seesmic.com/thumbnail/' + thumb + ')"> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_hide" class="seePlayOverlay" style="display:none;"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',false)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/stopOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_show" class="seePlayOverlay"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',true)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/playOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; border:none; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			<div id="' + id + '_content" style="display:block; width:100%; padding-top:5px"></div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Callbacks
	//

	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(parent_post_id) {
		// Increment post count
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');
		
		if (num_posts) { 
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) { 
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
	};
};
// Dsq.Templates


/**
 * Dsq.Post
 */
Dsq.Post = new function() {
	this.openedMenu = {};
	this.menuEventListener = null;
	this.stateReplyToggled = {};
	this.stateEditToggled = {};
	this.stateRecordLink = {};

	/**
	 * Inserts a new post into the document.
	 *
	 * @param after_id {Number}	Insert a post before specified id.  If after_id
	 *							evaluates to false, then post in the front.  If
	 *							after_id is -1, post at the end.
	 */
	this.insert = function(after_id, id, message, author) {
		// Skeleton template from thread_posts.html.
		var skeleton = ' \
			<li id="dsq-comment-%(id)s"> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-header-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-header"> \
					<cite id="dsq-cite-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-cite"> \
						<a id="dsq-author-user-%(id)s" href="%(author_url)s" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">%(author_name)s</a> \
					</cite> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-body-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-body"> \
					<div id="dsq-comment-message-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-message">%(message)s</div> \
				</div> \
			</li> \
		';
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var _user_meta = Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key];
		var markup = Dsq.Utils.interpolate(skeleton, {
			id: id,
			message: message,
			author_url: _user_meta.blog,
			author_name: _user_meta.display_name
		});
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		markup = markup.replace(Dsq.COMMENTS_RE, Dsq.CommentsHandler);
		div.innerHTML = markup;

		if (after_id === -1) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').appendChild(div);
		} else if (!after_id) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').insertBefore(div, Dsq.$('dsq-comments').firstChild);
		} else if (Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + after_id)) {
			// Get next node after "after_id", so we can insert before it.
			// If "after_id" is the last comment, the target node is the
			// last node.
			
			// var append_post_id = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(after_id).replace('<div id="','').replace('"></div>', '');
			var append_post_id = 'dsq-append-post-' + after_id;
			var node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			while (node = node.nextSibling) {
				if (!node || node.nodeType == 1) { // 1 == Node.ELEMENT_NODE
					break;
				}
			}
			if (!node) {
				node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			}
			node.parentNode.insertBefore(div, node);
		}
	};

	this.incrementPostCount = function() {
		
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');

		if (num_posts) {
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) {
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
	}
	
	this.outlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className += ' dsq-comment-outline';
		setTimeout("(function () { Dsq.Post.clearOutlineComment(" + post_id + ") })()", 3000);
	};
	
	this.clearOutlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className.replace('dsq-comment-outline', '');
	};

	this.showMenu = function(el, id, name) {
		var anchorPos = Dsq.Utils.findPos(el);
		var menu = document.createElement('ul');

		if(this.openedMenu) {
			if(this.openedMenu.linkClicked) {
				this.openedMenu.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		switch(name) {
			case 'more':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMore(id);
				break;
			case 'media':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMedia(id);
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}

		// Add menu to document body
		menu.id = 'dsq-menu-' + id;
		menu.className = 'dsq-menu';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(menu);

		// Position and show
		anchorPos[1] += 15;
		menu.style.left = anchorPos[0] + 'px';
		menu.style.top = anchorPos[1] + 'px';
		menu.style.display = 'block';

		// Set global reference
		this.openedMenu = {
			'el' : menu,
			'id' : id,
			'name' : name,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};

		// Set listener
		this.menuEventListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._hideMenu);
	};

	this._hideMenu = function(e) {
		var el = e.target || e.srcElement;
		var openedMenu = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el;
		var id = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.id;

		if(!id) {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link';
		} else {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link-' + id;
		}

		if(!openedMenu) {
			return;
		}

		if(!Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, openedMenu.id)) {
			openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Post.menuEventListener);
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(openedMenu);

		} else {
			// Hide the menu if a link was clicked inside the menu.  We can't
			// completely remove the menu until the onclick event on the link
			// fires, but the menuEventListener will prevent multiple menus
			// from polluting the DOM.
			if(el && typeof el.href != 'undefined') {
				openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el = null;
			}
		}

		if(Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Post.openedMenu.linkClicked = true;
		}
	};


	this.getUserServices = function(user_key, id) {
		if(!user_key && id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
			user_key = _meta.user_key;
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var userServices = [];

		// Keep a full list of supported services. This is the order they will display in the drop-profile.
		// Each service must have a corresponding case in _buildServiceUrl()
		var supportedServices = ['blog', 'twitter', 'facebook', 'tumblr'];

		function _buildServiceUrl(serviceName) {
			var data = userData[serviceName];
			var services = {
				blog:		function(d) { return d; },
				twitter:	function(d) { return d; },
				facebook:	function(d) { return d; },
				tumblr:		function(d) { return 'http://' + d + '.tumblr.com'; }
			};
			return services[serviceName](data);
		}

		for(var i = 0; i < supportedServices.length; i++) {
			if(userData[supportedServices[i]]) {
				var serviceUrl = _buildServiceUrl(supportedServices[i]);
				userServices.push({'name' : supportedServices[i], 'url' : serviceUrl});
			}
		}
		return userServices;
	}

	this.dropProfile = function(id) {
		var dp = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-profile-' + id);

		// IE6 needs JS to display/hide. All other browsers use CSS.
		if(dp) {
			if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) dp.style.display = (dp.style.display == 'inline') ? 'none' : 'inline';
			return false;
		} else {
			dp = document.createElement('ul');
		}

		dp.id = 'dsq-drop-profile-' + id;
		dp.className = 'dsq-drop-profile';

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) { dp.style.display = 'inline'; }

		var container = Dsq.$('dsq-header-avatar-' + id);
		dp.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.dropProfile(id);
		container.appendChild(dp);
	};

	this.dropProfileMore = function(el, id) {
		var hiddenItems = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-hidden-' + id);

		hiddenItems.style.display = 'inline';
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
	};

	this._updateReplyLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "reply / cancel" links based on state.
		var displayDict = {};

		if(id) {
			if(this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				el.innerHTML = 'Cancel';
				displayDict['media'] = 'inline';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'none';
			} else {
				el.innerHTML = 'Reply';
				displayDict['media'] = 'none';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'inline';
			}
		}

		for(var key in displayDict) {
			if(displayDict.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var	linkEl = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-el-' + id),
					spacer = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-spacer-' + id);

				if(linkEl) {
					linkEl.style.display = displayDict[key];
					if(spacer) spacer.style.display = displayDict[key];
				}
			}
		}
	};

	this._updateMediaLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "use media / cancel" links based on state.
		var appendId = (id) ? ('-' + id) : '';
		var link = Dsq.$('dsq-media-link' + appendId);

		if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			link.innerHTML = 'Cancel Media';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(link, id); return false; };
		} else {
			link.innerHTML = 'Use Media <small>&#9660;</small>';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.showMenu(link, id, 'media'); return false; };
		}
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(el, id) {
		// Create reply IFrame
		if (window.disqus_use_postmessage) {
			if (!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				// Create IFrame if it doesn't exist.
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-frame-' + id), id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].init();
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].setState(id, _meta.depth);
				}
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
			}
		} else {
			// DEPRECATED
			if(!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				// Reply toolbar
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id), id);
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Iframes.hideAllInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id));
				if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
					// HACK: Cancel media before canceling self.
					this.toggleMediaReply(Dsq.$('dsq-media-link-' + id), id);
				}
			}
		}

		this.stateReplyToggled[id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[id];
		this._updateReplyLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-reply-' + id); }

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[id]
		});
	};

	this.toggleMediaReply = function(el, id, xtype) {
		id = id || 0;
		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(!this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id, {xtype:xtype}, 'dsq-post-video');
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id);
		}
		this.stateRecordLink[id] = !this.stateRecordLink[id];
		this._updateMediaLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};

	this.edit = function(el, id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.frameEdit(id);
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-comment-message-' + id); }
	};

    this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
                Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
            }

            Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/vote.js'
                + '?post_id='    + id
                + '&vote='        + vote);

		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login(Dsq.Strings.TO_RATE_PLEASE_LOG_IN);
		}
    };

	this.report = function(id, confirmed) {
		if(confirmed) {
			Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/should_the_8220purpose_driven_preacher8221_pray_over_the_potus/post_report/', {'post_id': id});
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('Thank you. This comment has been flagged for moderator attention.', 'Successfully flagged');
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$('dsq-post-report-' + id));
		} else {
			var title = Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT;
			var message = Dsq.Strings.ARE_YOU_SURE_YOU_WOULD_LIKE_TO_REPORT_THIS_COMMENT_TO_A_MODERATOR + '? \
			<br /><br /> \
			<button onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.NO + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.NEVER_MIND + '</button>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<button onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + id + ', true);"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.YES + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT + '</button><br /><br />'
			+ Dsq.Strings.THIS_WILL_FLAG_COMMENTS_FOR_MODERATORS_TO_TAKE_ACTION + '. \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, id);
		}
	};



	this.showAlert = function(id, msg) {
		var msgEl = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id);
		var alert = '<div class="dsq-comment-alert">' + msg + '</div>';

		msgEl.innerHTML = alert + msgEl.innerHTML;
	};

};
// Dsq.Post


/**
 * Dsq.Thread
 */
Dsq.Thread = new function() {
	this.fc = null;
	this.ff = null;
	this.ac = null;

	
	this.adminIsOn = false;

	
	
	

	this.hlComment = null;
	this.hlCommentClass = null;

	this.getNextComment = function(el) {
		var start_id = el.id;
		while(el = el.nextSibling) {
			if(el.id && el.id.indexOf('dsq-comment-') != -1 && el.id != start_id) {
				return el;
			}
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.getActiveCommentId = function() {
		if (document.URL.indexOf('#comment-') >= 0) {
			var anchor = document.URL.slice(document.URL.indexOf('#') + 1);
			return anchor.replace('comment-', '');
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.highlightAnchor = function() {
		var i = this.getActiveCommentId();
		if (i == null) return false;
		var id = 'dsq-comment-' + i;
		var hash = window.location.hash;

		// Toggle the hash incase the comment isn't available when the page loads
		// for WebKit-based browsers.
		if (Dsq.Utils.webkit) {
			window.location.hash = '';
			window.location.hash = hash;
		}

		this.hlComment = Dsq.$(id);
		// Adding this conditional guard pending #289
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlCommentClass = this.hlComment.className;
		this.hlComment.className += ' dsq-hl-anchor';

		setTimeout("Dsq.Thread.highlightClear()", 3000);
	};

	this.highlightClear = function() {
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlComment.className = this.hlCommentClass;
	};

	this.login = function(toggle) {
		// toggle id is #dsq-reply-login-[id]
		var postId;
		if(toggle.id.indexOf('dsq-reply-login') != -1) {
			postId = toggle.id.slice(16);
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + postId);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(toggle) {
			if(toggle.className == 'dsq-login-active') {
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(container, postId);
				toggle.className = '';
			} else {
				Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
				toggle.className = 'dsq-login-active';
			}
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
		}

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};


	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked, per_page) {
		// Use extra_params to pass any override parameters that we need to persist.
		var extra_params = '';

		// "Per page" can either be overriden by providing it as an argument
		// (per-call) or setting the disqus_per_page override variable (global).
		if(typeof per_page == 'undefined') {
			per_page = null;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined' && per_page === null) {
			per_page = disqus_per_page;
		}

		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}
		if(per_page !== null) {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + per_page;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			el_clicked.style.display = 'none';
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'should_the_8220purpose_driven_preacher8221_pray_over_the_potus'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};

	this.sortBy = function(sort) {
		var disqus_script = document.createElement('script');
		var disqus_date = new Date();

		if (location.hash != '') {
			location.hash = '#disqus_thread';
		}

		if(typeof(disqus_url) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_url = disqus_href;
		}
		disqus_script.type = 'text/javascript';
		disqus_script.src = 'http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'should_the_8220purpose_driven_preacher8221_pray_over_the_potus'
			+ '&sort='	+ sort
			+ '&title='
			+ '&'		+ disqus_date.getTime();

		Dsq.$('dsq-comments').innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif">';
		Dsq.container.appendChild(disqus_script);
	};

	this.subscribe = function(status, email) {
		// `status` is an int -- 1 to subscribe, 0 to unsubscribe
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || email) {
			// If authenticated user OR anonymous email provided

			if(email) {
				Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
			}

			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/subscribe.js'
				+'?status=' 	+ status
				+ '&slug='		+ 'should_the_8220purpose_driven_preacher8221_pray_over_the_potus'
				+ '&email=' 	+ encodeURIComponent(email));

		} else if(!email) {
			// If anonymous user and no email has been provided yet, prompt for email

			var title = 'Subscribe to this comment thread';
			var message = ' \
				New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox! \
				<div class="dsq-subscribe-submit"> \
					<p><strong>Enter your email address below.</strong></p> \
					<input type="text" id="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
					<button onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1, Dsq.$(\'dsq-subscribe-email\').value)">Subscribe</button> \
				</div> \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
		}
	};

	this.showSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return;
		}

		/* The form has to be re-designed when more options will come out. */
		var html = 'Automatically close comments after <input size="3" id="dsq-thread-days-alive" value="' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.days_alive + '" type="text" /> days. Existing comments will still be displayed.<br /><br />(Using 0 days will disable this feature)<br /><br />'
								 + '<button onclick="Dsq.Thread.updateDaysAlive();" class="dsq-button-small"><span>Save</span></button>'
								 + '<span id="dsq-thread-settings-status" class="dsq-options-status"></span>';
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Settings');
	};

	this.updateDaysAlive = function() {
		var days = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-days-alive').value;
		var status = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-settings-status');
		Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/update_days_alive.js', {days:days,thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
		status.innerHTML = 'Saved!';
		window.setTimeout(function() { status.innerHTML = ''; }, 1000);
	};
};
// Dsq.Thread

Dsq.Events = function() {
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var handlers = {};
	var getHandlers = function(event) {
		if (handlers[event] === undefined) {
			handlers[event] = [];
		}
		return handlers[event];
	};

	// Public
	// Value keys : postId, node, xtype
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED = 1;
	// Value keys : postId, opened
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED = 2;
	obj.fire = function(event, opt_value) {
		if (!event) {
			throw new Error('Unknown event');
		}
		var value = opt_value || {};
		for (var i=0; i<getHandlers(event).length; i++) {
			getHandlers(event)[i](value);
		}
	};
	obj.addHandler = function(event, callback) {
		getHandlers(event).push(callback);
	};

	return obj;
}();

/**
 * Dsq.Realtime
 */
Dsq.Realtime = new function() {
	var initialized = false;
	var interval = null;
	var last_checked = Dsq.jsonData.request.timestamp;
	var new_posts = [];
	var ongoing_request = false;
	var prev_script = null;

	function updateNewPostCount() {
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-alert').style.display = new_posts.length ? 'block' : 'none';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-queued').innerHTML = new_posts.length
		+ ' new '
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, 'comment', 'comments')
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, ' was', ' were')
		+ ' just posted.';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.SHOW + ')';
	}

	function insertNewPosts() {
		var post_id = null;
		var after_id = Dsq.$('dsq-sort-select').value === 'oldest' ? -1 : null;

		for (var i=0; i<new_posts.length; i++) {
			post_id = new_posts[i];
			Dsq.Post.insert(after_id, post_id, Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id].message);
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		}
		new_posts = [];
	}

	this.enableInterval = function() {
		interval = setInterval(Dsq.Realtime.check, Dsq.jsonData.context.realtime_speed);
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.ENABLED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.PAUSE + ')';
	}

	this.disableInterval = function() {
		if (interval) {
			clearInterval(interval);
			interval = null;
		}
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.PAUSED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.RESUME + ')';
	}

	this.toggleInterval = function() {
		if (!interval) {
			Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
		} else {
			Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
		}
		return false;
	}

	this.initialize = function() {
		if (!initialized) {
			initialized = true;
			Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').onclick = this.toggleInterval;
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').onclick = this.show;
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
			if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.realtime_paused) {
				Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
			} else {
				Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
			}
		}
	}

	this.show = function() {
		insertNewPosts();
		updateNewPostCount();
		return false;
	}

	this.check = function() {
		if (!ongoing_request && Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			if (prev_script) {
				prev_script.parentNode.removeChild(prev_script);
			}
			ongoing_request = true;
			prev_script = Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/8529773/realtime.js?timestamp=' + last_checked);
		}
	};

	this.update = function(timestamp, posts, users) {
		ongoing_request = false;
		last_checked = timestamp;

		if (users) {
			for (var user_id in users) {
				if (users.hasOwnProperty(user_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id] = users[user_id];
					}
				}
			}
		}

		if (posts) {
			for (var post_id in posts) {
				if (posts.hasOwnProperty(post_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] = posts[post_id];
						new_posts.push(post_id);
					}
				}
			}

			if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				insertNewPosts();
			} else {
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
		}
	};

}();

// DEPRECATED
Dsq.Iframes = function() {
	// Different style of object from the above. Hoping to switch to this for some reason.
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var showIframeInContainer = function(container, id, markup) {
		// Look through container for iframes, hiding them, except show one that matches id
		// If none of them matched id, create a new iframe using markup and insert it.
		// Returns the iframe node if and only if it was newly created.
		var found = false;
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				if (child.id == id) {
					child.style.display = 'block';
					found = true;
				} else {
					child.style.display = 'none';
				}
			}
		}
		if (found) {
			return;
		}
		// The iframe wasn't found, so construct it and add it to the container.
		// Don't use innerHTML because it might reload iframes
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		div.innerHTML = markup;
		var iframe = div.childNodes[0];
		div.removeChild(iframe);
		container.appendChild(iframe);
		return iframe;
	};

	// Public
	obj.makeReplyIframeId = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var id = 'dsq-post-add-iframe';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			id += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			id += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return id;
	};
	obj.makeLoginIframeId = function(opt_postId) {
		if (!opt_postId) {
			return 'dsq-login-iframe';
		}
		return 'dsq-login-iframe-' + opt_postId;
	};
	obj.makeReplyIframeName = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var name = 'dsq-reply-frame';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			name += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			name += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return name;
	};
	obj.showReplyIframeInContainer = function(container, opt_postId, opt_extraParams, opt_className) {
		// Construct the id so we can check if it's already present.
		// Hide any other iframes we find, and show this one if it's found.
		var params = opt_extraParams || {};
		// use xtype in the id and name so we can distinguish media replies from text replies:
		var id = Dsq.Iframes.makeReplyIframeId(opt_postId, params.xtype);
		var name = Dsq.Iframes.makeReplyIframeName(opt_postId, params.xtype);
		var attributes = {
			'id': id,
			'name': name,
			'class': opt_className || 'dsq-post-reply'
			};
		var markup = Dsq.Templates.frameReply(opt_postId, opt_extraParams, attributes);
		var iframe = showIframeInContainer(container, id, markup);
		// It was newly created
		if (iframe) {
			Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED, {
				postId: opt_postId,
				node: iframe,
				xtype: params.xtype
			});
		}
	};
	obj.showLoginIframeInContainer = function(container, opt_postId) {
		var id = Dsq.Iframes.makeLoginIframeId(opt_postId);
		var markup = Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: id});
		showIframeInContainer(container, id, markup);
	};
	obj.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed = function(container, opt_postId) {
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			obj.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, opt_postId);
		} else {
			obj.hideAllInContainer(container);
		}
	};
	obj.hideAllInContainer = function(container) {
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				child.style.display = 'none';
			}
		}
	};

	return obj;
}();

Dsq.Twitter = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.startTwitterConnect = function() {
		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=400';
		that._twitterWindow = window.open(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/twitter/begin/', 'twitterWindow', popupParams);
		that._twitterInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeTwitterConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeTwitterConnect = function() {
		if (that._twitterWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._twitterInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.Yahoo = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.startYahooConnect = function() {
		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=400';
		that._yahooWindow = window.open(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/yahoo/begin/', 'yahooWindow', popupParams);
		that._yahooInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeYahooConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeYahooConnect = function() {
		if (that._yahooWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._yahooInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.OpenID = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.requestURL = function() {
		var message = '<table class="dsq-openid-form"><tr><td style="vertical-align:top;" rowspan="2"><img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url + '/images/openid-icon-100x100.png" /></td>';
		message += '<td><label for="dsq-openid-url">OpenID URL:</label></td><td><input type="text" id="dsq-openid-url" /></td></tr>';
		message += '<tr><td><label for="dsq-openid-username">Display name:</label></td><td><input type="text" id="dsq-openid-username" /></td></tr>';
		message += '<tr><td class="dsq-openid-submit" colspan="3"><input type="button" value="Sign in" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.startConnect();" /></td></tr>';
		message += "</table>";

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, 'Sign in using OpenID');
	};

	this.startConnect = function() {
		var isblank = function(str) {
			return /^\s*$/.test(str);
		};

		var openid_url = Dsq.$('dsq-openid-url').value;
		var username = Dsq.$('dsq-openid-username').value;

		if (isblank(openid_url)) {
			return;
		}

		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=500';
		var url = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/openid/begin/' + '?url=' + encodeURIComponent(openid_url) + '&username=' + encodeURIComponent(username);
		that._openidWindow = window.open(url, 'openidWindow', popupParams);
		that._openidInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeConnect = function() {
		if (that._openidWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._openidInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.Reaction = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.hide = function(id) {
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/hidereaction.js?' + 'reaction_id=' + id);
	};

	this.reportMissingReactions = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || !Dsq.jsonData.forum.reactions_enabled) {
			return;
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.queued) {
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('Your report has been received. The system will automatically search for new reactions; if any are found, they will be displayed on this comment thread.<br/><br/>Thank&nbsp;you.',
												 'Reported missing reactions');
			return;
		}

		Dsq.Utils.execScript(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/forums/jackandjillpolitics/queueurl.js');
	};
};

Dsq.CNN = function() {
	var obj = {};

	obj.authenticate = function() {
		var url = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + "/saml/cnn/try/";
		Dsq.Utils.postToUrl(url, {'target': document.location}, true);
	};

	return obj;
}();


if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) {
	(function() {
		DSQ_HEADER_AVATAR_RE = /<div class="dsq-header-avatar"(.*?)>/gim;
		Dsq.Templates.registerFilter('postPrependHeader', function(html, post_id) {
			// Add "onmouseout" for dsq-header-avatar for dropProfile
			// functionality since IE6 cannot use :hover.
			function _headerAvatarReplace(content, inner, _unused, html) {
				return '<div class="dsq-header-avatar" '
					+ inner
					+ ' onmouseout="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')">';
			}
			html = html.replace(DSQ_HEADER_AVATAR_RE, _headerAvatarReplace);
			return html;
		});
	})();
}





	// TODO: Move Seesmic code outside of the main script.  Don't let this script clobber the global namespace.
	if(typeof seesmic == 'undefined') { var seesmic = {}; }
	seesmic.widget = new function () {
		this.callback = function (data) {
			playerVersion = data.disqusplayer;
		};
	};

	
	var scriptEl = document.createElement('script');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('type', 'text/javascript');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('src', 'http://seesmic.com/version.js?callback=seesmic.widget.callback');
	document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(scriptEl);

	
	var scriptEl = document.createElement('script');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('type', 'text/javascript');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('src', 'http://media.disqus.com/javascript/library/swfobject.js');
	document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(scriptEl);

	function see_play_video(_videoUri, _add) {
		var swf = !!playerVersion ? playerVersion : 'http://seesmic.com/embeds/StandalonePlayer.swf';

		flashcontentDiv = Dsq.$(_videoUri + '_content');
		previewDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-seesmic-' + _videoUri + '_preview');
		hideDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-seesmic-' + _videoUri + '_hide');
		showDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-seesmic-' + _videoUri + '_show');
		if(_add) {
			// push flash widget
			var so = new SWFObject(swf, 'sotester', '300', '270', '9', '#000000');
			so.addVariable('video', _videoUri);
			so.addParam('allowFullScreen', 'true');
			so.addParam('allowScriptAccess','always');
			so.useExpressInstall('swfobject/expressinstall.swf');
			so.write(_videoUri + '_content');

			previewDiv.style.display = 'none';
			hideDiv.style.display = 'block';
			showDiv.style.display = 'none';
		}
		else {
			flashcontentDiv.innerHTML = '';
			previewDiv.style.display = 'block';
			hideDiv.style.display = 'none';
			showDiv.style.display = 'block';
		}
	};





(function() {
	//
	// Load theme.  This overrides the base templates with template functions
	// from the respective themes.
	//
	if (Dsq.jsonData.integration.theme == 4) {
		var theme = 'narcissus';
		// HACK: Set variable on window to use post message.
		window.disqus_use_postmessage = true;

		
		for(var prop in Dsq.Themes[theme]) {
			if(Dsq.Themes[theme] && Dsq.Themes[theme].hasOwnProperty(prop)) {
				Dsq.Templates[prop] = Dsq.Themes[theme][prop];
			}
		}
		
		for(var prop in Dsq.Post) {
			if(Dsq.Themes[theme] && Dsq.Themes[theme].hasOwnProperty(prop)) {
				Dsq.Post[prop] = Dsq.Themes[theme][prop];
			}
		}
	}

	//
	// Register templates.  This must be done after all themes are loaded.
	//
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('authPost', Dsq.Templates.authPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('header', Dsq.Templates.header);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('footer', Dsq.Templates.footer);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('trackbacks', Dsq.Templates.trackbacks);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('reactions', Dsq.Templates.reactions);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('prependPost', Dsq.Templates.prependPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('appendPost', Dsq.Templates.appendPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postPrependHeader', Dsq.Templates.postPrependHeader);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postAppendHeader', Dsq.Templates.postAppendHeader);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('preBody', Dsq.Templates.preBody);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postBody', Dsq.Templates.postBody);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postFooter', Dsq.Templates.postFooter);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('_popupGeneric', Dsq.Templates._popupGeneric);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('voted', Dsq.Templates.voted);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('popupProfile', Dsq.Templates.popupProfile);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postBox', Dsq.Templates.postBox);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('pagination', Dsq.Templates.pagination);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postComment_onSuccess', Dsq.Templates.postComment_onSuccess);

})();

Dsq.container.className = "clearfix";
Dsq.container.innerHTML = ' \
<ul id="dsq-comments">\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-4476524">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4476524" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476524" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4476524">Monie</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476524" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476524" class="dsq-comment-message">I can understand why some people maybe uncomfortable with Rick Warren as the the deliverer of the invocation at the inauguration-----BUT, my gosh,  when did this become a matter of policy.<br><br>People automatically write off Obama as a "sell-out" or denounce him as soon as he reaches out to  individuals they deem off-limits.  But isn\'t if funny how the "progressive" crowds want to stifle communication with other groups.....but yet  bemoan any one who dares challenge them. <br><br> In other words, if we are truly going to be progressive, and move this country forward, we ALL need to embrace diversity.  And it is not just limited to Blacks, but Whites, Hispanics, Asians, Natives, Arabs/Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Evangelicals, the Black Church,  and any other group.<br><br>One thing I\'ve learned in  college and traveling with my hubby doing his military career is that America IS truly one diverse nation.  I myself have been blessed to meet so many different individuals...and some of the people I met along the way had never even been aroung black people before they entered the service.  And I knew that those same people  held antiquated views of black people but were surprised when they saw the strong bond that my family held------ they were literally shocked because they figured many black families were broken, and black men were underacheivers.----- Some held the views of the Religious Right in this country  and yet I met others who were atheist.<br><br>Just this past election season, another military wife from the South proudly displayed her McCain/Palin sticker  while I displayed my Obama sticker.  Yet each time I see her, we converse  and offer goodwill because even though we may differ ideologically on many issues...we share one main one, and that is being the wife of a servicemember.<br>And unlike the majority of Americans, who truthfully are not tuned in to the perils of being in a military family these days....I know that SHE knows what it feels like, and that is one area where we can support one another.  We have both decided that  our shared understanding of  the loneliness, complexity, uncertainty  that exist in military life is bigger than any politcal party or candidate has to offer...and I am thankful for that aspect of our relationship.<br><br>Obama has ALWAYS said, there is not a red America or a blue America, but a United States of America.  When our servicemembers go to war, and stand in harm\'s way, they don\'t just die for progressives or conservatives, one religious group or another.....they die and bleed the same color blood for this country under the same American flag.  No casket is covered with with an ideological falg but an American flag.<br><br>And I just hope that until Obama makes some truly bad policy decisions in his term, we can begin this journey united at least in the spirit of our country, under one flag----that is the least we can do.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4477146" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4477146">Justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4477146" class="dsq-comment-message">Spoken so true!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4477221">GreenLadyHere</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4477221" class="dsq-comment-message">Monie:   So very WELL SAID!!  THANK YOU!!   :&gt;)<br><br>I\'m gonna sit back and <b>ENJOY HIS BIG DAY! </b><br><br> Annnnnnnd, PRAY for HIM and the FAMILY!!   :&gt;)</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4480220">Lilytiger</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4480220" class="dsq-comment-message">No casket is covered with an ideological flag but an American flag.<br><br><br>Wow, yes that is true. May you and yours remain out of harms way.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4482825">whiterosebuddy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4482825" class="dsq-comment-message">Yeah, that sentence was as powerful as when Colin talked about the star and crescent tombstone in Arlington, then they showed that mother hugging her son\'s headstone.<br><br>Heartwrenching.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4484923">Justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4484923" class="dsq-comment-message">Yes. I believe that picture touched many hearts! Very powerful!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4482450">MsKitty</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4482450" class="dsq-comment-message">Co-sign 100% on this.  I\'m way to the left of Obama, and no doubt this time next year I\'ll be cussing him out on a regular basis with everybody else.  But in the meantime, I\'m willing to hold my fire until he takes office and actually starts enacting policy.  Also, it wasn\'t just us progressives that got Obama into office but a wide swath of independents, conservatives, disgruntled Republicans going out on a limb, etc.  The only way he can effectively govern is reach out to all those groups, even those on the hated far right.<br><br>Also, like I said yesterday there are too many other things going haywire in this country at the moment for me to be all hung up on something that ultimately isn\'t going to impact me or mine one way or the other.  Sorry, but it\'s true.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4485128">Justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4485128" class="dsq-comment-message">Monie,<br><br>Bless you & your family!  Where do you find the strength? May God send his ministering spirits to protect & guide you!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4485415">Monie</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4485415" class="dsq-comment-message">Thanks Justice for your kind words!<br><br>I find  strength from the same places that most of us here on JJP and our ancestors brought it from and that is our inner beings.<br><br>I enjoy coming to JJP, because contrary to what a lot of people think, all military members and families do not agree ideologically with republicans.  I NEVER voted for GWBush, was in mourning these past eight years----and yet I stood by my hubby through his decisions to continue to be a servicemember.  Just because Blacks serve does not make them a servant to the ideologues of either party.  And yes, it is true that their lives are incredibly affected by what a President\'s administration does----but what the military has provided for my husband during his journey in life is bigger than just one President.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4486073" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4486073">Texas_Girl_in_LA</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4486073" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4486073" class="dsq-comment-message">I really love hearing your thoughts, Monie.<br><br>Please continue to share with us.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474218" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4474218" href="http://thisweekwithbarackobama.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">icebergslim</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474218" class="dsq-comment-message">I am over at Daily Kos and they are pissed, but the diary is about how Obama is NOT in charge of the preparation of the Inauguration, but a bi-partisan group is.  Anyway, there are huge issues in front of us, we need to be smart in picking the battles to win, Warren is providing huge handwringing, for a 2 minute stunt.  IMO<br><br><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/17/195019/24/45/674244" rel="nofollow">Diary here</a></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476036" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4476036" href="http://craighickman.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CraigHickman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476036" class="dsq-comment-message">You\'re a voice in the wildnerness, iceberg. Keep up the good work.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4483277">MsKitty</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4483277" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4483277" class="dsq-comment-message">FWIW I totally agree with your diary.  Don\'t let the haters get you down.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4485225">malletgirl02</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4485225" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4485225" class="dsq-comment-message">Oh my God! Facts and reason, can\'t have that when it is way too easy to be outraged.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4475987" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4475987" href="http://craighickman.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CraigHickman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4475987" class="dsq-comment-message">This choice is shrewd. Nothing more; nothing less.<br><br>I get so tired of folks reading that they are "dismissed" when Barack makes a choice they don\'t like.<br><br>Criticize on policy or transparency or whatever else, but all this poor me nonsense needs to stop. The victim mentality is so unattractive. I say get off the cross. Somebody else needs the wood.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476127" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4476127">Michelle</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476127" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476127" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>The victim mentality is so unattractive. I say get off the cross. Somebody else needs the wood.</i><br><br>"How dare you say that to me? I am a (white) gay man who lives in California and I am TIRED of sitting in the BACK OF THE BUS! I am angry! Having Rick Warren give the invocation is a SLAP in my FACE as a (white) gay man!  You think oppressing gay people is shrewd? How dare you! <br><br>And don\'t tell me not to be angry, what\'s the matter, don\'t you think gay people have the right to be angry?! What do you know about these things. It\'s not like you LIVE it every day ... and well, if you do live it every day and you STILL don\'t feel this as the horrific act of violence it IS, then you better wake up, mister, because this affects all of us. What is *wrong* with you?"<br><br>(end channeling of dkos-inspired tantrum)<br><br>:)</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4476165">carolinagirl</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476165" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476165" class="dsq-comment-message">LOL!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! Did you copy and paste that? That was too good. :)</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476218" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4476218">Michelle</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476218" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476218" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>Did you copy and paste that?</i><br><br>heh. No -- I\'m good at this right now because I have unfortunately had some "discussions" over there with some people who would say stuff like this with a straight (no pun intended) virtual face -- not in the Warren threads, even, just the discussions about Prop 8. <br><br>I would prefer to not be able to <b>still</b> hear the echoes of the tantrums and virtual yelling, but I still can! So I share.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4479366">Miranda</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4479366" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4479366" class="dsq-comment-message">YOU JUST MADE MY DAY!!!! LOLOL...I LOVED THE RANT!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476566" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4476566" href="http://craighickman.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CraigHickman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476566" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476566" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'m in stitches.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4479661" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4479661" href="http://www.actsoffaithblog.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Acts Of Faith Blog</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4479661" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4479661" class="dsq-comment-message">Ah I see you\'re keeping the fires burning! What\'s up?</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4496214" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4496214">Michelle</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4496214" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>Ah I see you\'re keeping the fires burning! What\'s up?</i><br><br>You mean with the dkos stuff or in general? Or just saying hi?</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4496258" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4496258" href="http://www.actsoffaithblog.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Acts Of Faith Blog</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4496258" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4496258" class="dsq-comment-message">Just saying hello!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4482549" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4482549">MsKitty</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4482549" class="dsq-comment-message">LOL.  That parody is dead on.  I\'ve rarely visited Kos (or a lot of the similar blogs) since the election because everybody has lost their collective minds because it turns out that Obama is in fact not Jesus, Santa Claus or the Great Kazoo.  On the upside I\'m getting much more work done (hee).</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4482960" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4482960">whiterosebuddy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4482960" class="dsq-comment-message">I also have to take Kos in spurts.  I sometimes feel there is a lot of \'entitled\' progressive mindset too frequently expressed.  The righteous outrage gets old.<br><br>Like this Caroline Kennedy thing.  I am like, how in the hell is holding political office \'qualifications\' for being a US Senator.  I do not recall that being in the Constitution.<br><br>More importantly, who the hell thinks that being an \'experienced\' politician is such a credibile thing.  Experienced politicians are simply excellent bullshyters who know how to wheel and deal and raise money from special interest groups.<br><br>That is the kind of experience you do not need to hold elected office for. Anyone who has every raised money for any group or volunteered to do service for a worthy cause understands those dynamics quite well.<br><br>Thos Kos folks got on my nerve talking about she was leap frogging over folks as if holding elected office is some kind of guaranteed route to another elected position.  I say NUH-UH...career politicians is the last thing we need and that is why the founding fathers did not make holding a prior elected office a prerequisite for any political position.<br><br>They understood, it is knowing the people\'s interests, that matters most.<br><br>And on that Caroline is well qualified. She has spent her life dedicated to furthering the best interest of children and raising money for education.<br><br>If you ask me there is no higher cause then doing what you can to ensure that children reach their fullest potential.<br><br>Kos and them need to STFU!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4483237" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4483237">MsKitty</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4483237" class="dsq-comment-message">I made the mistake of clicking on Iceberg Slim\'s diary asking folks to calm down.  It\'s even worse than I thought.  I can actually visualize some of these people beating their chests and rending their garments while sitting at the computer.  I hate to say it, but Daily Kos has become a parody of itself.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4484508" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4484508">Texas_Girl_in_LA</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4484508" class="dsq-comment-message">Nice to see that you made it out alive, MsKitty</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4488916" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4488916">Michelle</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4488916" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4488916" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>I hate to say it, but Daily Kos has become a parody of itself.</i><br><br>I agree! I have this persistent deep level of disbelief that I just can\'t shake -- so I have this ongoing internal dialogue with myself when I go over there and see this stuff: "Are these people for real? Really? Seriously? Nah. Can\'t be. Looks like it is. But it can\'t be. ...." and on and on.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4483676" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4483676">Justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4483676" class="dsq-comment-message">I so agree! I hardly visit there anymore!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4488324" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4488324" href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CPL</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4488324" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4488324" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>More importantly, who the hell thinks that being an \'experienced\' politician is such a credibile thing. Experienced politicians are simply excellent bullshyters who know how to wheel and deal and raise money from special interest groups.</i><br><br>That\'s it in a nutshell, WhiteRoseBuddy.<br><br>And I need to remind y\'all that Kos is Liberal/Progressive FOR PAY.  Anything he can\'t sprinkle his brand of pixie dust on, he trashes it.  Which explains why he\'s cozying up to Harold Ford like his new BFF.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4488642" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4488642">malletgirl02</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4488642" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4488642" class="dsq-comment-message">Kos is cozying up to Harold Ford? If he is doing that,then he has no business with the "more progressive than thou"  game.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4489130" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4489130" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4489130" href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CPL</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4489130" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4489130" class="dsq-comment-message">Yep.  Saw it up close and personal at Netroots Nation Conference this past summer.  Kos and Harold were like a cute couple on their first date - the promoted "debate" came off as nothing but a bullshyt love fest, where Harold wasn\'t allowed to catch hell from real progressives while he was allowed to stand on that stage and talk about how "proud" he was of his representation in Memphis.<br><br>You KNOW someone was waiting to get in his ass for that comment; thanks to Kos, we didn\'t get the opportunity.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4512674" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4512674" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4512674" href="http://www.actsoffaithblog.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Acts Of Faith Blog</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4512674" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4512674" class="dsq-comment-message">Dark Sith ran off like the little biyatch he truly is! Black people we need to start vetting and evaluating who our REAL ALLIES are BY THEIR ACTIONS!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4476145" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476145" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4476145">carolinagirl</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476145" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476145" class="dsq-comment-message">Amen!!!!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4476204" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476204" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4476204">Texas_Girl_in_LA</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476204" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476204" class="dsq-comment-message">well....well alright Brotha Craig<br><br>couldn\'t have said it better</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4479358" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4479358" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4479358">Miranda</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4479358" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4479358" class="dsq-comment-message">This should be the invocation right here.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4480282" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4480282">Val</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4480282" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4480282" class="dsq-comment-message">Well said Craig.  It is clearly a political move and so what ?  It is a freaking invocation for gosh sakes.<br><br>This is the olive branch to the religious lunatics who prayed for his demise during the course of the campaign to participate in moving this country forward.  <br><br>You are 100% on point Craig.  100% I wish your comment was posted on every single blog and article.  Excellent.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4482375" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4482375" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4482375">AM2k6</span>\
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	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4482375" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4482375" class="dsq-comment-message">" I say get off the cross. Somebody else needs the wood."--Craig, I gotta give it to you! I am sooooooooo ready to steal this line!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4496046" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4496046">spirit_55z</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4496046" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4496046" class="dsq-comment-message">Co-sign, Craig.  "I say get off the cross. Somebody else needs the wood."  <br><br>Yes, I\'ll need it for my woodburning stove this winter.  It\'s cold as a well digger\'s ass here in Minnesota.  -5 degrees last night.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4476060" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476060" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4476060">Justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476060" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476060" class="dsq-comment-message">There!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4471595" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4471595" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4471595">whiterosebuddy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4471595" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4471595" class="dsq-comment-message">I am disappointed in the choice of Warren, because of how he did allow McCain to cheat during the campaign.<br><br>Also, for some reason I  can\'t quite figure out yet, it just does not sit right with me that Warren is the guy who is ostensibly replacing Wright, had Wright not become such an issue.<br><br>Somehow, this just does not seem right.  I would rather KirbyJohn was the minister or any prominent black minister...but Rick Warren makes me feel somehow we are losing something very important as part of this unprecedented occasion.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4471683" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4471683" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4471683" href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CPL</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4471683" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4471683" class="dsq-comment-message">It\'s also like Obama is additionally saying he can\'t find any prominent Black Pastors, not named Creflo or Eddie Long.  &lt;&lt;&lt;side eye&gt;&gt;&gt;</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4473422" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473422" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4473422" href="http://thisblksistaspage.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">blksista</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473422" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473422" class="dsq-comment-message">He could have gone for T.D. Jakes, to whom I also give a fisheye equal to Warren.  Jakes appears a step up from Creflo or Long or worse, Rev. Ike.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473707" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473707">Justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473707" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473707" class="dsq-comment-message">Blksista,<br><br>I thought T.D. Jakes would come out and defend the black church when MSM was trying to derail PEO Campaign with Rev Wright clips practically running 24/7 daily. I even called the Potter\'s House and someone there told me...T.D. Jakes didn\'t want to get involved.**Gasp**!  Well, I could have been knocked over with a feather.  I thought...OMG!  What has happened to the black ministers?  Are they suddenly afraid to speak up?  I\'m still shaking my head on that!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4474051" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474051" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474051">rorysmomma</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4474051" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474051" class="dsq-comment-message">what did you expect from a man that cashed faith based voting checks from bush?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4474949" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474949" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4474949" href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CPL</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4474949" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474949" class="dsq-comment-message">You can\'t bite the hand that\'s feeding you, Justice, and that\'s what TD, Eddie, Creflo and other Black mega-pastors would have been doing if they defended Jeremiah Wright - those slices of Faith-Based Money pie from Bush\'s Administration would have gotten cut clean off.<br><br>No way were they going to cut off that gravy train to defend one of their own Brethren in the Ministry on PRINCIPLE and BIBLICAL ETHICS.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4475194" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4475194">Justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4475194" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4475194" class="dsq-comment-message">Lord help them when it comes their turn to meet their Maker!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4476330" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476330" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4476330">rorysmomma</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476330" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476330" class="dsq-comment-message">AMEN.  Besides, I don\'t trust those dudes... Let\'s just say that I know too much about them.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4473931" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473931" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473931">Miranda</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473931" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473931" class="dsq-comment-message">Not Rev. Ike..LMAO!!! Might as well ask Bishop Don Juan!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4474207" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474207" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4474207" href="http://thisblksistaspage.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">blksista</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4474207" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474207" class="dsq-comment-message">You mean Don Magic Wand....?  That Don Juan?<br><br>Frankly, I would rather listen out for Reverend Lowery.   These other preachers are only out for the cash money.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4474440" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474440" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474440">isonprize</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4474440" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474440" class="dsq-comment-message">NOT the fisheye!!  LOLOLOLOL    WWhhewww~~</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4477595" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4477595">GreenLadyHere</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4477595" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4477595" class="dsq-comment-message">isonprize/blksista:  Did Y\'ALL REQUEST this?:<br><br><a href="http://video.aol.com/video-detail/fisheyed-fool/1216402255" rel="nofollow">Fisheyed Fool</a><br><br>THIS is the BEST that I could find.    :&gt;)    :&gt;)<br><br>ENJOY???     :&gt;)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4477326" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4477326" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4477326" href="http://craighickman.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CraigHickman</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4477326" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4477326" class="dsq-comment-message">T.D. Jakes is a....<br><br>(Shut your mouth.)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4471668" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4471668" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4471668" href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CPL</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4471668" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4471668" class="dsq-comment-message">You and I agree on this, WhiteRoseBuddy.  I don\'t like the message Obama\'s sending by selecting Rick Warren.  It\'s as if he\'s saying you can mistreat him and be rewarded for it.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4471700" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4471700" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4471700">whiterosebuddy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4471700" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4471700" class="dsq-comment-message">Yes, but don\'t you also think we should have some rolling cadences in the invocation, and not just the same ol same ol \'frozenchosen\' language?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4471719" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4471719" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4471719" href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CPL</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4471719" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4471719" class="dsq-comment-message">Yeah, I do.  But I already said Obama can\'t be seen as being "too sympathetic" to us Black folks, because the whites who voted for him might get their knickers in a knot.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4472307" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4472307">T.</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4472307" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472307" class="dsq-comment-message">This I can never understand and it frustrates me.<br><br>T.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4512867" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4512867" href="http://www.actsoffaithblog.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Acts Of Faith Blog</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4512867" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4512867" class="dsq-comment-message">Black people need to collectively be more organized. Remember the Black Elite didn\'t support Obama nor did the Civil Right\'s Victimology Crowd. So who was left? We need to take back our political power from the fools and the dividers. We can\'t keep waiting for someone to do the right thing or cry foul. Obama didn\'t wait he focused. It\'s what we need to do.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4472942" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4472942" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4472942">dcgatn</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4472942" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472942" class="dsq-comment-message">I wonder if he\'s going to be sympathetic to us at all. Latest cabinet picks: all white and hispanic. i know i can\'t be the only one who is seriously disappointed with this. <br><br><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/17/transition.wrap/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/17/transiti...</a><br><br>and no, epa, isn\'t cabinet, it\'s cabinet rank and u.n. ambassador isn\'t considered part of the cabinet: <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/cabinet.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/cabinet.html</a><br><br>also, way to piss off the gays obama. they aren\'t going to forget anytime soon.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473186" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473186">T.</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473186" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473186" class="dsq-comment-message">Listen, my comment was not an opening for you to follow this line of argument. I have seen your posts and I do not share your view that the cabinet should be chock full of African Americans. I am very proud of the diverse cabinet that he has assembled and could not be more pleased that he has chosen some African Americans to be at his side. We have an African American president so don\'t get greedy now, sweetie! Pace yourself...<br><br>T.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473350" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473350">whiterosebuddy</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473350" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473350" class="dsq-comment-message">I know that\'s right!!!<br><br>Geez,!!<br><br>Those posts from dcgatn are WHACKED!!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4474252" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474252" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474252">dcgatn</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4474252" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474252" class="dsq-comment-message">i probably should have replied to CPL but i\'m sick of being attacked for having a damn opinion that runs counter to the Obama hero worship on this board. you\'re whole "don\'t get greedy" mindset is the problem with many black people.  why are we only satisfied with crumbs when we are entitled to a meal? just because we got a black president means i\'m supposed to be satisfied? screw that! hispanics lobbied and damn near demanded that obama put hispanics in his cabinet (google it if you\'re not too lazy) and look what it got them. what do we do? not a damn thing because we\'re just so happy to see a black face in the white house that we just get besides ourselves and basically say "whew lawd, we\'s got a black president, i\'s happy now." like i said in my "whacked" posts before, the cabinet, just like the choice of rick warren, sends a message to people, and the lack of AAs in the cabinet, in my opinion, sends a jacked up message the the 95% of black people that put Obama in office. i\'m in the minority here obviously here, but i\'d actually like to see to more qualified, competent black people in power and i\'m not going to apologize for that!!! you would think that more of us would feel the same but if you go by this board, i guess not. silly me, i thought maybe a black president would expand his pool to look at those who are often overlooked but i was wrong and i\'m disappointed. also i never said his cabinet should be chock full of african-americans nor did I expect that.  i don\'t have some magical number in mind but 1 definitely is not acceptable. the problem is that we accept limits, more so than any of group of people. that\'s probably why we have the problems we have now. we got a black man as president. that\'s fine. what about a black woman president some time in the near future? oh no, i have to pace myself and don\'t want to get greedy. good god.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474369" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474369">rorysmomma</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4474369" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474369" class="dsq-comment-message">I am taking the wait and see attitude.  Don\'t raise your blood pressure prematurely.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4474711" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474711" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474711">dcgatn</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4474711" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474711" class="dsq-comment-message">i\'m fine. i just get sick and tired of the settling mentality that black people are infected with. jews, hispanics, asians, etc. keep pushing and making demands and as a result, make progress. we don\'t do that and we wonder why we\'re not doing better despite the fact that we\'ve been here longer and damn near built this country. the limitations mind set is killing us.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4475311" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4475311" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4475311" href="http://theurbanista2.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Rhondacoca</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4475311" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4475311" class="dsq-comment-message">It is DC, it is.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4475003" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4475003" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4475003" href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CPL</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4475003" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4475003" class="dsq-comment-message">you would be preaching to the choir, because my posts on anything anti-Obama have been flamed to the point Jack quoted this fact in an issue of the Washington Post where the question was raised "Would any Black people be able to criticize Obama?"<br><br>My posts on his positions are ON RECORD.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4475292" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4475292" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4475292" href="http://theurbanista2.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Rhondacoca</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4475292" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4475292" class="dsq-comment-message">Exactly. I leave my comments below 10 words unless I have something silly and light to talk about. I was tired of gettng attacked.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4476182" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476182" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4476182">Monica</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476182" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476182" class="dsq-comment-message">Wow</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4473977" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473977" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473977">Lisa M</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473977" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473977" class="dsq-comment-message">UN ambassador will be cabinet rank in Obama administration. Same as it was with Clinton but not Bush</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4471943" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4471943" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4471943" href="http://www.WEESeeYou.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Webb</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4471943" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4471943" class="dsq-comment-message">There\'s definitely going to be some rolling cadences in the benediction.  Dr. Lowery is gonna have folks speaking in tongues.<br><br>Speaking of which, I need to roll-out to my Wednesday night service.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4473781" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473781" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473781">Micheline </span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473781" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473781" class="dsq-comment-message">Well we\'ve seen this with his cabinet picks.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4471718" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4471718" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4471718">rikyrah</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4471718" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4471718" class="dsq-comment-message">I don\'t like Warren either. But, isn\'t Lowery going to do the benediction? <br><br>I\'m with CPL - Wallis of Sojourners would be a better choice.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4472308" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4472308" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4472308">isonprize</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4472308" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472308" class="dsq-comment-message">I sure hope so.  Where are you finding your info?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4472940" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4472940" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4472940">Miranda</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4472940" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472940" class="dsq-comment-message"><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/17/obama-inauguration-rick-w_n_151785.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/17/obama-...</a><br><br>The order of the program</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4476310" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476310" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4476310">rorysmomma</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476310" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476310" class="dsq-comment-message">It\'s not how you start out but how you finish.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4471628" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4471628" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4471628">babyming</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4471628" class="dsq-comment-message">Rick Warren opposed embryonic stem-cell research.  I recently lost a loved one to a disease that may have been curable if embryonic stem-cell research had not been slowed down by George W. Bush in August , 2001.  <br>Now I can understand Obama reaching out to all kinds of people, because the economy is falling fast, and will be even worse by January 20, and the country really needs help.  If Obama snubs Rick Warren, it won\'t bring back to life the peopole who could have been helped by stem-cell research. <br>So I can understand Obama building bridges to all kinds of people.  But I\'m not happy with Obama\'s choice of Rick Warren, or Hillary Clinton.  What\'s next: Obama having lunch with Louis Farrakhan and David Duke?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4471684" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4471684" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4471684">isonprize</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4471684" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4471684" class="dsq-comment-message">STOP. PLAYIN\'.  Reverend  Dr. Joseph E. Lowery.  <br><br>Rev. Lowery  has got to be in the mix somewhere.  HE.JUST.HAS.TO.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4471704" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4471704" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4471704" href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CPL</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4471704" class="dsq-comment-message">I understand he closes out the Inauguration.  But I still don\'t like the fact that Rick Warren is in the Mix, especially after allowing McCain to cheat during the Christian debates.<br><br>Before that, I thought Rick Warren was the least harmless of the fundie crowd.  He showed how partisan his ass really is with that Christian debate stunt.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4473522" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473522" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473522">msmartin</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473522" class="dsq-comment-message">He (Warren ) was so fake and IMHO the  selection of him cheapens and makes the process fake.  Wait a minute, what poetry - Warren has to invoke the man he tried to undermine.  Sweet justice.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4473813" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473813" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473813">Justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473813" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473813" class="dsq-comment-message">That\'s what I\'m talking about!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474116" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474116">spirit_55z</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474116" class="dsq-comment-message">Yes, hard working white Americans.  This choice reminds me of Palin, MCain, and yes, Hillary\'s campaign mantra!<br><br>But, I will be present on the National Mall Tuesday January 20, 2008 witnessing BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA get sworn in as our 44th POTUS.<br><br>So, R,W. will deliver the Invocation, Barack will be sworn in as POTUS. For me, that is all that matters, with Michelle, Malia, and Sasha y his side<br><br> I want to see his hand on the Good Book, and the other hand held up. <br><br> I want to hear BHO say:<br><br>"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." <br><br>I hope that President Obama honnors that oath.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4472101" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4472101" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4472101">Leota2</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4472101" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472101" class="dsq-comment-message">I personally cannot stand Rick Warren.  I believe him to be a belly crawling  snake oil salesman.  And personally I\'m sick of knowing or caring what or who politicians drag out as pastors.  I think we all need to get past caring who politicians choose for religious reasons.  I can\'t remember this religious preoccupation of elected officials coming into play that much before Bush.  Separate people--separate.  Can we get back to a time when religion is not in the national conversation next to politics?<br>Next. . . . .</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4472293" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4472293" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4472293">isonprize</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4472293" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472293" class="dsq-comment-message">Leota,  you bring a good point.  It is a new thing to \'trot out\'  the pastor.   It used to be that Billy Graham showed up every now and then, and that was the end of it.<br><br>I can\'t honestly say that I remember or even cared where any president went to church or who their \'favorite\' pastor was.  And I\'m not a youngster, so I\'m talking about folks from Tricky Dick to Billy Jeff...</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4472908" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4472908">Miranda</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4472908" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472908" class="dsq-comment-message">Too late, that pandora\'s box gis open. The GOP went wit the "dem libruls is all heathens" tactic....then the Dems had to go on a mission to prove they were Jesus freaks too and here we are.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473008" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473008">Justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473008" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473008" class="dsq-comment-message">lol</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4472226" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4472226">Justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472226" class="dsq-comment-message">Okay. I might be putting my head out on the chopping block but....here it goes. Maybe PEO is stating we don\'t have to fight fire with fire on his choice of Rick Warren. Where does one get fighting fire with fire? It\'s love that win people over.  Hatred stirreth up strifes but love covereth all sins. Rick Warren may have allowed McCain to cheat but that doesn\'t mean PEO has to be hard-hearted against him. Didn\'t he promise change in the White House?  Maybe Rick Warren will see things differently by having PEO reaching out in kindness to him. What better way to say...see, you did me wrong but I am not like that!   I\'m just saying....</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4472809" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4472809" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4472809">Miranda</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472809" class="dsq-comment-message">Im there with you. I want President-elect Obama to make us rise up to be above the tit-for-tat antics of politics. That game is beneath us.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4472815" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4472815" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4472815" href="http://www.natturnersrevenge.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">chris chambers</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4472815" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472815" class="dsq-comment-message">It\'s power politics. O man knows he can do anything and black folks and gays will have no choice to support him. What\'s the alternative?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4472986" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4472986" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4472986">Justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472986" class="dsq-comment-message">Chris,<br><br>I just don\'t believe PEO thinks that way.  We\'ve been use to tit for tat for so long. He is showing us how to unite as a country.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4473287" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473287" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473287">whiterosebuddy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473287" class="dsq-comment-message">Me neither Justice...I don\'t think that is it at all.<br><br>Matter of fact, the more I thought about it I began to understand how gracious Obama is being. Obama said the night of his acceptance in Grant Park, that he intended to be the President of not just those who voted for him but to the 46% who didn\'t.<br><br>And so, I understand his reaching how to a man who is clearly the \'moral leader\' to the millions who voted against Obama. This is very key to Obama being able to lead this nation and for those Americans to feel included in a way that most of us did not these pass 8 years.<br><br>Obama understands the politics and power of inclusion.  And you know what?  I am deciding right here and now to have a big heart to because you know what....WE WON!!   Damnit we won. <br><br>And that feels a helluva lot better than in Dec 200 & 2004...when I was dejected and filled with despair following Gore and Kerry\'s lost.<br><br>Maybe, those folks that will be happy to see Rick Warren, are feeling just like I did then.  And you know what, if having Warren speak is all I have to give up over the next 8 years (hopefully)) then I can be MAGNANIMOUS!!!<br><br>So, let Rick Warren speak...let him say what he wants on this historic occassion, let\'s pray he reaches some of those hearts and moves them enough to get behind this Presidency, because we need all the help we can get.<br><br>In the meantime, I am go \'catch the spirit\' listening to Lowery, Retha and Stevie!!<br><br>All of whom are going to be there for the momentous occassion as well.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473310" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4473310" href="http://thisblksistaspage.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">blksista</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473310" class="dsq-comment-message">Chris Chambers:<br><br><i>It\'s power politics. O man knows he can do anything and black folks and gays will have no choice to support him. What\'s the alternative?</i><br><br>This is EXACTLY how Clinton was able to frame his program, and look where it got us...<br><br>Obama, you can do better.  Like someone else said, <i>quit feeding the beast.</i>  They ain\'t for you.  Wasn\'t for you then, and won\'t be for you later.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4477309" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4477309" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4477309" href="http://craighickman.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CraigHickman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4477309" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4477309" class="dsq-comment-message">I didn\'t vote for Clinton either time. Nor did I vote for his opponent.<br><br>And despite him being president, my life was and is good. I\'m blessed, not bragging. I guess I\'m one of those people who don\'t really need a president. I\'m not wealthy, but I\'m far from the struggling artist I was in the 90s.<br><br>By and large, presidents don\'t affect my actual day-to-day life that much. I\'m not in the military so....<br><br>Bush makes me feel murderous, but even after 8 years of darkness, he hasn\'t snuffed out the light around here.<br><br>I would imagine that only a great president could affect my daily life. But there have been no great presidents in my lifetime, so I\'m speculating.<br><br>Barack Obama has all the necessary ingredients to be a great president. If he can operate freely enough to become one.<br><br>We\'ll see.<br><br>If Barack can spread his wings, he\'ll make Bill Clinton look like a bench warmer. <br><br>I don\'t agree with all Barack\'s choices (and I have to say aloud that I find all references to Kool Aid drinking beyond offensive because they conjure tragedy and there is simply no tragedy whatsoever in seeing past a man\'s faults whether you agree with him or not), but I simply can\'t take those decisions I don\'t like personally for more than a minute. It\'s a waste of energy. <br><br>I\'d rather make a cheesecake, walk the dog, write a poem.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4515536" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4515536">caligirl</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4515536" class="dsq-comment-message">great comment.  i fully agree--though i prefer chocolate chip cookies!  :-)</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4472265">T.</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4472265" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472265" class="dsq-comment-message">I have already stated my position on this in the day thread and even hours later, I am extremely unhappy. At his very core PE Obama is a coalition builder, and we all knew that he would make some unpopular decisions, but inviting Rick Warren, that loathsome creature, to offer the invocation at the inaugural ceremony is mind-boggling. I always felt that in his quest to make everyone just get along, PE Obama is going to over-reach and piss off his base and he won\'t be able to pacify them when that happens. I don\'t think that time is now but tone-deaf decisions like these suggest that it\'s inevitable.<br><br>Part of my fury stems from the fact that we just seem to be kissing GOP ass so that they won\'t make trouble for us when we assume the reins of government on January 20th. I watched last week as Dodd and Reid heaped undeserved praise on Bob Corker after his blatant attempt to break the UAW, and America\'s auto industry, in an effort to advantage the foreign automotive companies in the South. Bile rose in the back of my throat.<br><br>This Rick Warren thing begs this question - If PE Obama starts accommodating the right-wing now, where will it stop? These people do not see reason. So, is he feeding the beast - the GOP beast?<br><br>T.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4481860" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4481860" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4481860">Lilytiger</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4481860" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4481860" class="dsq-comment-message">As a nonchristian, I find the need for any religious leader useless. But I understand the need for prayer, so I accept that it will be a christian prayer. I just hope that it is a true prayer that is about loving one another and taking care of each other.<br><br>and mother earth and our enemies and the animal kingdom and the future generations....</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4472270" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4472270" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4472270" href="http://ladyvenoms.wordpress.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ladyvenoms</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4472270" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472270" class="dsq-comment-message">I can\'t get with Rick Warren either but I\'m not too stressed considering Joe Lowry will be giving the benediction and Aretha THE QUEEN will be singing, and Yo Yo Ma will be performing as well. It looks like there\'s a little bit for everyone to love and hate.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4472278" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4472278" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4472278" href="http://www.progressiveerupts.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Shaw Kenawe</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4472278" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472278" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'ve been for Barack Obama since his debut in 2004, when I believed he would be the next president.  I supported him with work and $$$$$.  And will continue to do so.  I believe in him with all my heart.  I don\'t understand this Pastor Warren choice.  I don\'t.  But I will hold off any further criticism.  Perhaps President-elect Obama knows more about national healing than I do.  And perhaps he\'s more forgiving than I am.  I defer to his choice and hope for the best.<br><br>What else can I do?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4473189" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473189" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473189">Justice58</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473189" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473189" class="dsq-comment-message">What Shaw Kenawe stated!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4472461" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4472461" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4472461">T.</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4472461" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472461" class="dsq-comment-message">So you think that after Rick Warren\'s invocation, everybody\'s gonna just love PE Obama and the nation will be healed and we\'re all just gonna hold hands and sing Kumbaya? Of course, I don\'t have the power to reverse his decision to have Rick Warren at the inaugural ceremony  but I sure as hell don\'t feel so charitable as to be deferent to him all the time. In my humble opinion, this decision is a huge misstep.<br><br>T.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4472861" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4472861" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4472861">Miranda</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4472861" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472861" class="dsq-comment-message">What do you think will happen as a result of Warren doing the invocation?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4477191" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4477191" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4477191" href="http://craighickman.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CraigHickman</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4477191" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4477191" class="dsq-comment-message">Uh uh, Miranda. You can\'t ask no question like that. It\'s too... revealing.<br><br>Well, it would be if anyone could actually answer it. Thing is, I suspect no one has actually asked it of themselves before ranting and raving.<br><br>I feel overtaken. I better shut up before I say something I can\'t take back.<br><br>You can\'t unring a bell.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4472342" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4472342" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4472342">Miranda</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4472342" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472342" class="dsq-comment-message">I don\'t have a problem with it because his prayer is predictable. He won\'t go off half-cocked (is that appropriate? LOL).<br><br>OTOH...I\'m HOPING Rev Lowery goes off half-cocked!!!!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4478199" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4478199" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4478199">parker404</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4478199" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4478199" class="dsq-comment-message">Rev. Lowery will most definitely go off half-cocked!!  He\'s waited too long, worked and prayed too hard to see 01.20.09.  Lowery is going to BRING IT with his benediction.<br><br>Remember his rapping poem going off on W (too his face) at Coretta\'s funeral?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4479457" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4479457" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4479457">Miranda</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4479457" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4479457" class="dsq-comment-message">YEP!!! Exactly!!!! And its the benediction too??? OH Lawd...I can hear the moaning coming from the old Tuskegee Airmen or the Little Rock Nine......<br>"Sumtiiiiiiiiimes I feel........like a motherless child......IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII said.....sumTIIIIIIIIIIIIIMes I feel........like motherless child...................."</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4473175" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473175" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473175">whiterosebuddy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473175" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473175" class="dsq-comment-message">I FEEL MUCH BETTER NOW having read this:<br><br>In honoring the civil rights movement, Mr. Obama has asked the Rev. Dr. Joseph E. Lowery, dean of the civil rights movement and co-founder with the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, to deliver the benediction.<br><br><a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/17/aretha-franklin-to-participate-in-inaugural-ceremony/" rel="nofollow">http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/17/a...</a><br><br>So, he\'s asking Warren to deliver the invocation, but getting Lowery to pray the benediction.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4473228" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473228" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473228">Myth</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473228" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473228" class="dsq-comment-message">Totally unacceptable; this is an outrage</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4473182" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473182" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473182">rorysmomma</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473182" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473182" class="dsq-comment-message">I was hoping for father Pflegler.  Oh well, can\'t have it all...LOL</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4473269" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473269" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473269">Miranda</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473269" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473269" class="dsq-comment-message">LOL</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4473371" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473371" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473371">whiterosebuddy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473371" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473371" class="dsq-comment-message">CTFU!!!!<br><br>That wpuld\'ve been TIGHT!~~</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4473490" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473490" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473490">rorysmomma</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473490" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473490" class="dsq-comment-message">It was what I wanted for Christmas yall.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4475042" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4475042" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4475042" href="http://theurbanista2.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Rhondacoca</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4475042" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4475042" class="dsq-comment-message">lol</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4482711" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4482711" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4482711">AM2k6</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4482711" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4482711" class="dsq-comment-message">oh gosh! you\'re killing me.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4482860" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4482860" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4482860">rorysmomma</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4482860" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4482860" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'m white, this black man is stealing my show.... whew lord.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4473623" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473623" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473623">TRW </span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473623" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473623" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'m personally not a fan of Rick Warren, and I don\'t agree with some of his views, but I also don\'t understand the outrage.  I have a dear friend who thinks that he has remarkable wisdom, and shares his views that I oppose, but at the end of the day, I would have her pray over me in a heartbeat.  <br><br>And I think another reason why this widespread condemnation makes me uncomfortable is because it is eerily familiar to the same outrage the pro-lifers expressed at Warren for inviting Obama to speak at his forum on AIDS because of his pro-choice stance--it just seems that both sides will constantly miss each other if they are not willing to hear each other out, and include each other in debate.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4473740" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473740" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473740">BlackAmericanPrincess</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473740" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473740" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'m not mad at Obama at ALL.  I think it\'s fabulous that he\'s allowing one of his biggest and shadiest haters to participate.  I invited one of my biggest haters to my wedding and made sure I smiled extra hard at her as I was walking down the aisle.  It was priceless.  Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.  Warren did all that cheating for McCain yet his boy STILLL got that ass tapped and now a Black man is President of the United States of America.  It\'s poetic justice in my opinion, I love it...</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4473967" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473967" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473967">Miranda</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473967" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473967" class="dsq-comment-message">"I invited one of my biggest haters to my wedding and made sure I smiled extra hard at her as I was walking down the aisle."<br><br>OMG......ROFLMAO!! Sherri? Is that you?? LMAO!! - ok, that was vintage Sherri (one of my friends from college)....you\'re gonna have me laughing the rest of the night.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4474143" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474143" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474143">BlackAmericanPrincess</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4474143" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474143" class="dsq-comment-message">Girrrl, there is no shame in my game LOL!<br><br>I applaud Obama though, I think it\'s a classy move...</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4474427" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474427" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474427">rorysmomma</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4474427" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474427" class="dsq-comment-message">I smile at the haters when I see them.  Hate on me, I could give less than two damns. come to think of it, Obama did take the high road.  I wouldn\'t have invited them at all.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4476023" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476023" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4476023">carolinagirl</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476023" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476023" class="dsq-comment-message">Co-sign. BAP you are a trip! :o)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4476267" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476267" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4476267">Justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476267" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476267" class="dsq-comment-message"><i> I invited one of my biggest haters to my wedding and made sure I smiled extra hard at her as I was walking down the aisle.</i><br><br><br><b>That a girl! ;)</b></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4474005" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474005" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474005">lamh31</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4474005" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474005" class="dsq-comment-message">I know this pick is very personal to some people, and I feel you\'re pain, but let\'s put this in perspective a little.  Off the top of your head (without looking at Google or Wikipedia) can anyone tell me who did the invocation for BUSH 42, CLINTON, BUSH 41, REAGAN, CARTER, FORD, JFK, NIXON, etc.  Hell who did the benediction?  I sure as hell don\'t, I\'ll bet not many of us can.  Why?  Because at the time chosen, there may have been some problems with the pick, but who will remember it. I\'ll bet, 6 months after the inauguration, hell, 1 week after, we will all be taling about something other than Rick Warren.  Honestly, one of the few things I remember about Clinton\' inaugural was Maya Angelou\'s poem, and off the top of my head, I can\'t even tell you which inaugural, or the title of the poem.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4474824" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474824" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474824">Town</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4474824" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474824" class="dsq-comment-message">6 MINUTES after the invocation, everyone will have forgotten about it.  Everyone will be talking about what Michelle wore or how cute the girls were or how smooth Obama was.  NOBODY will be talking about Rick Warren except the people lathering themselves up into a foam about it.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4477336" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4477336" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4477336">GreenLadyHere</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4477336" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4477336" class="dsq-comment-message">Town:  <b>YOU JUST SPEAK!!</b>   THANK YOU!!   :&gt;)   :&gt;)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4474851" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474851" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4474851" href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CPL</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4474851" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474851" class="dsq-comment-message">BILLY GRAHAM DID MOST OF THEM.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4475153" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4475153" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4475153">lamh31</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4475153" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4475153" class="dsq-comment-message">Okay, do you remember what he said?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4477207" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4477207" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4477207" href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CPL</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4477207" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4477207" class="dsq-comment-message">"Bless the POTUS and give him strength to lead this country..."<br><br>Same stuff he prayed over the last eight or nine POTUSes.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4474054" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474054" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4474054" href="http://kid-kidfunkadelic.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">kid funkadelic</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474054" class="dsq-comment-message">Let me tell you something . This is good.I just came from Gretawire(FOX). and they want to boycott Rev.Warren.Meanwhile , Dog the Brother Hunter get good reviews for doing his racist job. Heck they even snapping at Sen.McCain . They are turning on themselves.They\'re so crazy over there, they only want to run Palin in2012.Some of the bad stuff over there attacking the minority Republicans.they\'re calling Jindal and Jefferson replacement Affirmative action hires.They want to get violent on their own kind.that\'s scary.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474088">Trina22</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474088" class="dsq-comment-message">For real...What Site is that?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4474841" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474841" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4474841" href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CPL</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474841" class="dsq-comment-message">Let them MELT DOWN into Oblivion, while the Republicans with common sense regain their foothold in the party.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4474067" class="dsq-comment-header">\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474067">Trina22</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474067" class="dsq-comment-message">Well, Now we know why Obama  Secret service code name is "Renegade"... Obama is reaching out to everyone not matter how evil. Good Lord!  I hope he does not have Castro over for dinner at the White House next!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4474807" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474807" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4474807" href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CPL</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474807" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'d rather see him dining with Castro and Hugo Chavez, than try to curry favor with the likes of "Christian" Pastors like Rick Warren.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474072">whiterosebuddy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4474072" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474072" class="dsq-comment-message">Does any one remember Obama\'s victory speech? he said.<br><br>"Let us resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long"<br><br>He also said,<br><br>"And to those Americans whose support I have yet to earn - I may not have won your vote, but I hear your voices, I need your help, and I will be your President too."<br><br>I guess we are already forgetting how it feels to have an Administration that was not all inclusive.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4474259" href="http://thisweekwithbarackobama.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">icebergslim</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474259" class="dsq-comment-message">AMEN</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474108">rorysmomma</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474108" class="dsq-comment-message"><a href="http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvYICKJ3TI" rel="nofollow">http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvYICKJ3TI</a><br><br>Father Pflegler, I just want to say, I love you.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474998" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4474998" href="http://theurbanista2.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Rhondacoca</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4474998" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474998" class="dsq-comment-message">lol.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474189" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474189">Trumystique</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474189" class="dsq-comment-message">Rick Warren is not a moral leader. He forgot that what you do to the least of us you do to Jesus. This is a bad idea and an insult. I know why Obama is doing this but its a purely calculated and cynical move.<br><br>Did Rick Warren Do Enough to Stop Torture? <a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/12/rick-warren-and-bushs-torture.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/12...</a><br>One of the great unwritten stories of the Bush years is why religious leaders remained so quiet on torture. Most conservative Christian leaders were mum.<br><br>Rick Warren, a.k.a. America\'s Pastor, did make a statement against torture a couple of years ago but I was curious whether he did anything beyond that. Here\'s what he said in the new interview with Beliefnet and The Wall Street Journal:<br><br>    BELIEFNET- You issued a statement a couple of years ago condemning torture.<br><br><br>    WARREN - I\'m totally against torture.<br><br>    BELIEFNET- Do you think this was a profound moral failing of the Bush administration?<br><br>    WARREN - Well I don\'t know exactly how they defined torture....<br><br>    BELIEFNET- John McCain thinks they did torture.<br><br>    WARREN - Well, and you know what - some of the stuff I saw looking at Guantanamo looks like clearly it was torture. To me, if you torture someone, you put yourself no better than the enemy. We must maintain the moral highground. You have no right to condemn the immoral actions of others if we\'re doing the same thing. And we should expect that others will torture our people if we\'re torturing them.<br><br>    BELIEFNET- Did you ever talk to President Bush to try to convince him to change his policy?<br><br>    WARREN - No. No.<br><br>    BELIEFNET- Why not?<br><br>    WARREN -- Never got the chance. I just didn\'t. In fact, in the first place, I\'m a pastor, and people might misunderstand - I don\'t deal with policy issues with Barack Obama or President Clinton or John McCain. I just don\'t. that\'s not my role. My role is to pastor these guys. As a leader I understand stress.<br><br>    And even when I disagree with positions they hold, they\'ve got plenty of political advisors. They don\'t need me to be a political advisor. I\'m not a pundit. I\'m not a politician and that\'s why I don\'t take sides. But I am a pastor. And I can deal with "how\'s your family doing? How\'s your stress level doing?"<br><br>    BELIEFNET- But you said you did talk to Barack Obama about his position on abortion so why wouldn\'t you have talked to Bush about torture?<br><br>    WARREN - I just didn\'t have the opportunity. It\'s actually...[Warren was talking to the Democratic caucus] and Barack actually brought it up [abortion]...<br><br>He says torture is deeply immoral and that the Bush administration did appear to torture - but declines to describe the Bush policy as a moral failing. He says he didn\'t mention his views on torture because (implausibly) he didn\'t have the opportunity. Then he said it was inappropriate for him to raise it with Bush because he only offers spiritual support.<br><br>It seems to me that Warren is still trying to figure out how and when to exert influence. He can steer entirely clear of controversial issues, playing a purely pastoral role. Or he can be a moral leader advocating for or against causes. But if he weighs in on behalf of some caues -- opposing gay marriage and abortion, for instance -- then he can\'t well say it would have been inappropriate to campaign harder against torture.<br><br>It should be noted: Though I\'m chiding Warren for not doing more, he actually went farther than most religious conservatives. Shouldn\'t there be a certain amount of soul-searching going on among religious conservatives on this issue -- especially now that it\'s become clear that the administration they supporpted authorized, layed the groundwork for, and in some cases, directly encouraged torture?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474267">rikyrah</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474267" class="dsq-comment-message">Color me shocked from Skeptical Brotha:<br><br>The Purpose Driven Invocation<br><br><a href="http://skepticalbrotha.wordpress.com/2008/12/17/the-purpose-driven-invocation/#comment-44192" rel="nofollow">http://skepticalbrotha.wordpress.com/2008/12/17...</a></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474712">spirit_55z</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474712" class="dsq-comment-message">rikyrah, thanks for the linkup.  PEO is a SMOOTH OPERATOR.<br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efdfGeUKXuU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efdfGeUKXuU</a></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4475133" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4475133">Justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4475133" class="dsq-comment-message">Spirit, I love that song. So sexy!<br><br>The PE is showing us how to unite.  I\'m with him!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4474423" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474423" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474423">dcgatn</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474423" class="dsq-comment-message">the more i think about this the more it just seems like unnecessary drama. it\'s just a prayer but the gays and progressives are already talking about protests and they are PISSED and downright hateful. it\'s ugly.  why invite that kind of drama to the inauguration? maybe obama thinks losing the gays and progressives, is worth it if he can gain the evangelicals in 2012. doesn\'t seem worth it to me.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4474457" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474457" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474457">lamh31</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4474457" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474457" class="dsq-comment-message">I know they are angry, but if the gays and progressives decided to have a large protest on this inauguration day of all inauguration days, who really comes off looking worse, Obama or them.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4474460" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474460" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474460">lamh31</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4474460" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474460" class="dsq-comment-message">The answer: THEM</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4480468" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4480468" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4480468">Lilytiger</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4480468" class="dsq-comment-message">Remember the great puma shakedown at the convention? <br><br>Er...no? Well, exactly. Same people, same result. <br><br>This reminds me wehn Desmond Tutu went to Canada. He toured some First Natoners reservations and heard their cried of injustice. He said, (paraphrasing)...you know, your really have it pretty good for indeginous people....maybe you should look around the world abit and see what real oppression is,<br><br>It is possible that a little of this may be going on.<br><br><a href="http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/05/28/101-being-offended/" rel="nofollow">http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/05/28/101-...</a></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4487752" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4487752">Val</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4487752" class="dsq-comment-message">RAOTFL</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474501" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474501">lamh31</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474501" class="dsq-comment-message">And another thing, of all the darn things to set up a protest for, it because Rick Warren will give a 5-10 min invocation.  Yeah, I\'m so sure that the protest will go over so well with the people they are trying to influence.  The are beter more important tings to protest.  Essentially, they are protesting a choice of speaker, NOT A POLICY DECISION!!!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4479784" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4479784" href="http://www.actsoffaithblog.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Acts Of Faith Blog</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4479784" class="dsq-comment-message">I think Obama is going to drag all of us kicking and screaming into one room so that we collectively have to face each other - unless we want to face the wall - and try to find some common ground. He\'s not going to pander or coddle anybody!!! I think the sooner we figure this out the calmer we\'ll all be. For all the hand-wringing, there\'s still the bulk of red state people that didn\'t overwhelmingly vote for him and he\'s continuing to reach out to them.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4511434" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4511434">Michelle</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4511434" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>I think Obama is going to drag all of us kicking and screaming into one room so that we collectively have to face each other - unless we want to face the wall - and try to find some common ground.</i><br><br>I\'m thinking ..... It\'s hard to find common ground when so many are culturally programmed to speak from individual ego (or the group version of that) and trying to be right and show that others are wrong. It\'s so much a part and parcel of the dominant cultural system in this society, in my observation. <br><br>That to me seems like one of the largest hurdles to such process actually working, in this society, in at least some of its segments.<br><br>But then, I suspect that I don\'t understand a lot of how the "common ground" stuff could actually function. Maybe there are good ways around the obstacles I see. <br><br>And, I know that my own effort to find common ground with someone here with whom I have some disagreements about LGBT stuff started out ok but then fell apart. Maybe it needs to be practice-focused rather than discussion focused ... maybe? Like; ok we agree on X what will you do for X and what will I do for X and let\'s start doing. <br><br>Eh, I don\'t know. I have just totally confused myself.<br><br>Plus which, I think this may be a tangent to your actual point.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4511576" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4511576" href="http://www.actsoffaithblog.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Acts Of Faith Blog</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4511576" class="dsq-comment-message">No I hear you - some people don\'t want to get along. But I see his example even as I squirm through it or think he could be compromising or being set up and I figure if he can try then so can we.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474433">lamh31</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474433" class="dsq-comment-message">Some political opinion from Marc Ambinder:<br><br><a href="http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/mt/mt-tb.cgi/40265" rel="nofollow">http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/mt/mt-tb.cg...</a><br><br>"From experience, one can presume that the decision to invite Rick Warren was made because (a) Obama likes the guy, and (b) he knows it would send a message to groups like the HRC, and to conservative Christians who might be wary of the new president. Not so much pandering as it is Obama\'s deft manipulation of the politics of symbolism.  Obviously, Obama disagrees with Rick Warren on important issues. He has said so, many times, and publicly.  And he agrees with him on other important issues. And ignoring something like Warren, a mainstream figure who commands the respect of million of Americans, would be foolish.  Obama\'s message is: Rick Warren is a part of Obama\'s America, too."</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4479737" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4479737" href="http://www.actsoffaithblog.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Acts Of Faith Blog</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4479737" class="dsq-comment-message">I would NEVER want to be President. All of this juggling and shuffling and dealing with the self-righteous, the liars and the whiners. Damn! He\'s not even in office yet.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474666" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474666">JJai</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474666" class="dsq-comment-message">No.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4474688" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4474688">Trumystique</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4474688" class="dsq-comment-message">Oops. I reconsidered. I was just a tad reactionary by saying this decision is an insult. I think its a bad idea and I dont really like the symbolism ( throw out the black church, gospel for the megachurch, powerpoint shows and electric guitar softrock praise). But I realize this was a cynical decision to "unite America". Obama go ahead try to unite but dont sell me out. This is just a tiny little signal of whats to come y\'all.  I am giving the brotherman the benefit of the doubt but he aint in office already and damn all I have to say is he better go big for healthcare.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4475122" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4475122" href="http://theurbanista2.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Rhondacoca</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4475122" class="dsq-comment-message">interesting.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4475357" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4475357">Trumystique</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4475357" class="dsq-comment-message">My first reaction was Hell No! Not Rick Warren that supercilious b... And then I stopped my nonChristian and noncharitable thoughts. I dont agree with Rick Warren on some very important issues, and I dont trust him. Frankly I am not sure anyone who seems to commodify and consumerize faith like he does can be trusted (get the moneychanger out of the temple...) <br><br>But alas when I took a deep breath I am so clear on why Obama did this. I dont like this and I am hoping this is not the beginning of a long list of symbols or policy decisions that I wont like. But if Obama is trying to collect the political coins that he will need for all that political capital- HE BETTER SPEND IT ON SOMETHING BIG!!!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4475111" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4475111" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4475111" href="http://theurbanista2.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Rhondacoca</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4475111" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4475111" class="dsq-comment-message">I think the bigger issue is the fact that Aretha Franklin will be performing. I love her with a passion but sistagurl cannot dress to save her life. Will they be providing a stylist?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4475345" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4475345" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4475345">rikyrah</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4475345" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4475345" class="dsq-comment-message">Rhonda,<br><br>You don\'t think folks have spoken to her?<br><br>Come on. <br><br>But, she\'s Aretha. She does what she wants. <br><br>It\'s her world. We just live in it.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4475433" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4475433" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4475433" href="http://thisblksistaspage.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">blksista</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4475433" class="dsq-comment-message">I don\'t think that this is going to be an opportunity for Re Re to indulge in presenting her ample breasts to the world as she does on stage.  Number one, <i>it\'s for damn sure going to be cold.</i>  Second, if she manages not to mix mink with zebra or leopard, she\'s home free.<br><br>Wonder what her repetoire is going to be?  <i>Bridge Over Troubled Water</i>?  <i>Spirit in the Dark</i>?<br><br>I am so sorry Odetta has died; I know that she would have everyone with their hands in the air.<br><br>Meanwhile, as I said before in another post, <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/inauguration-watch/2008/12/inaugural_poet_selected_elizab.html?hpid=topnews" rel="nofollow">poet Elizabeth Alexander has been chosen Inaugural Poet</a>.  (Sorry, Maya, but its time for you to scoot over.)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4479712" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4479712" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4479712" href="http://www.actsoffaithblog.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Acts Of Faith Blog</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4479712" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4479712" class="dsq-comment-message">You haven\'t heard Auntie ReRe sing Touch My Body yet. That would crack me up!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4479401" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4479401" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4479401">Miranda</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4479401" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4479401" class="dsq-comment-message">Oh, the PETA crowd should be protesting in 5...4...3...2...<br><br>The Queen will undoubtedly show up in one of her most fantabulous full length, thick as a dense fog, mink fur....bank it!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4479696" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4479696" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4479696" href="http://www.actsoffaithblog.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Acts Of Faith Blog</a>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4479696" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4479696" class="dsq-comment-message">I can\'t wait to see the chinchilla or fox. Gawd they\'re gonna be pissed! Too bad, I hate PETA anyway. They care more about arguing over animals than caring about people.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4482033" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4482033" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4482033">Miranda</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4482033" class="dsq-comment-message">So true...which is why I thought it was hilarious when they tried to protest when she sang at Clinton\'s inauguration...think she cared? She wore the fur of all furs!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4482676" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4482676" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4482676">MsKitty</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4482676" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4482676" class="dsq-comment-message">And they should know better than to mess with a sista and her fur.  One of those PETA folks got the beatdown of his life when he pelted my ex-co worker with paint because she was wearing her fox jacket.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4483754" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4483754" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4483754">Justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4483754" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4483754" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'ll bet he won\'t be throwing paint anytime soon!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4475501" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4475501" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4475501">carolinagirl</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4475501" class="dsq-comment-message">I really don\'t give two flying fucks to the wind who is chosen to do the prayer as long as he is sworn in and starts cleaning up Bush\'s mess. Geesh... to everyone who is gettin all up in arms about it, please take a chill pill.  I mean seriously, protests? Really???? *rolls eyes* Don\'t get an ulcer about petty shit before the man is even sworn in to do what he was elected to do. <br><br>Once he fucks up (b/c he will, if ppl are getty pissy about things now, then it\'s a guarantee that he will fuck up once he\'s actually the president), go at him w/ all your fury . This "fury" includes blog rants, calling your representatives, writing letters to the editor, writing the same comment about your outrage and how it\'s not really change on DailyKos, Huffington Post, FieldNegro, The Field, etc.<br><br>I\'m with Rhonda, y\'all need to be worried about Aretha Franklin having her sandbags hanging out of her dress w/ the spaghetti straps hanging on for dear life. If there was ever a reason for a protest...... *snickers*</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4475732" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4475732" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4475732">Justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4475732" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4475732" class="dsq-comment-message">LOL<br><br>Co-Sign!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4476016" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476016" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4476016" href="http://craighickman.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CraigHickman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476016" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476016" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>I\'m with Rhonda, y\'all need to be worried about Aretha Franklin having her sandbags hanging out of her dress w/ the spaghetti straps hanging on for dear life. If there was ever a reason for a protest...... *snickers*</i><br><br>::<br><br>I just spit out my drink.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4476080" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476080" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4476080">Justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476080" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476080" class="dsq-comment-message">Yep! Carolinagirl\'s a scream!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4476186" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476186" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4476186">carolinagirl</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476186" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476186" class="dsq-comment-message">*looks down and kicks feet around* Aw shucks, Justice58 thanks. :o)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4476278" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476278" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4476278">rorysmomma</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476278" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476278" class="dsq-comment-message">Girl, we betta pray there is no wardrobe malfunction.   I pray for Aretha\'s spagheeti straps everytime I see her.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4476333" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476333" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4476333">Texas_Girl_in_LA</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476333" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476333" class="dsq-comment-message">tee hee...<br><br>Ya\'ll better leave Re Re alone</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4476367" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476367" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4476367">rorysmomma</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476367" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476367" class="dsq-comment-message">I want rE RE to listen.  Shoot, Janet Jackson showing a little nipple is one thing.....ReRe is old enough to be my Grandma, and it is the inauguration after all..... Yall better check her.  Maybe her fur will cover the tata\'s</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4476382" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476382" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4476382">Justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476382" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476382" class="dsq-comment-message">LOL!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4477172" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4477172" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4477172" href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CPL</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4477172" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4477172" class="dsq-comment-message">Cause it\'s not the same thing as seeing a 20-30 year olds "tatas" ROFL.<br><br>Paul Mooney says that we sistas know the power of a Black breast.  "That Chocolate Milk\'s a bitch..." were his exact words... ROFL</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4478144" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4478144" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4478144">parker404</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4478144" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4478144" class="dsq-comment-message">Paul Mooney has to be the funniest comedian ever.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4482623" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4482623">MsKitty</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4482623" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4482623" class="dsq-comment-message">Me too</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4477290" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4477290">GreenLadyHere</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4477290" class="dsq-comment-message">carolinagirl:  <b>YOU JUST SPEAK!!!</b>  <br><br>As I JUST posted,  <b>Ima JUST ENJOY HIS DAY!!</b>   :&gt;)     :&gt;)<br><br><b>BIG NUMBER OF THE DAY  - - - - - -     -33 DAYS!!</b>   :&gt;)   :&gt;)  Whooo!  Hoo! :&gt;)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4487398" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4487398" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4487398">Val</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4487398" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4487398" class="dsq-comment-message">RAOTFLMAO.  I thought I was the only one worried about Aretha.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4512208" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4512208">Honey01</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4512208" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4512208" class="dsq-comment-message">Oh, you are so wrong for that!<br><br>Who will the FCC fine if we have another incident?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4475888" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4475888" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4475888">rikyrah</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4475888" class="dsq-comment-message">Found this at Balloon Juice:<br><br><i>If you followed the internal politics of evangelical and fundamentalist leaders, you’d see this for what it is—not an elevation of Warren, but a slap in the face of the old guard leaders like Dobson and LaHaye. They’ve been fighting to see who gets to be the spokesman for the movement, and lately it’s been a tie. Obama just broke it.<br><br>And let’s be clear, there is a difference between those groups. Warren may not be progressive on gay rights, but he’s been out front on a number of issues of global justice—traveling from Davos to Damascus, and working hard to get rank-and-file evangelicals invested in “creation care” environmentalism and the fight against global HIV/AIDS.<br><br>If he were put in charge of HHS or listened to on gay policies, I’d be pissed. But what Obama is doing here isn’t that. It’s a move that marginalizes the worst on the religious right, elevates a guy who’s more progressive than most religious leaders on a number of issues, and earns him some moderate cred at the outset.<br><br>If Obama sells out on the progressive promise in actual policy, I’ll be in the streets protesting with everyone else. But if his “selling out” is having a fairly moderate, popular evangelical give the invocation at the inaugural—when large sections of this country still worry Obama’s a scary evil Mooooslim—then who gives a flying fuck?<br><br></i><br><br><a href="http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=14795#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=14795#comments</a></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4476000" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4476000" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4476000" href="http://craighickman.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CraigHickman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4476000" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4476000" class="dsq-comment-message">That\'s what I\'m talkin bout.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4480315" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4480315" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4480315">Val</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4480315" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4480315" class="dsq-comment-message">excellent post.  EXCELLENT</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4483960" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4483960" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4483960">chenna</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4483960" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4483960" class="dsq-comment-message">it\'s a matter of principal.  sure there\'s reaching out, bringing different voices in, etc.  however, this selection should not have been made as a matter of prinicple.  <br><br>At some point in the election season though, principle seems to have gotten confused with the dirty word of the season--ideology.  So it seems as if one actually stands on principle, one is accused of being an ideologue.  As the old saying goes, "you have to stand on something, or else you will fall for anything."  I just hope that\'s not the direction people are trying to drive us in when talking about tolerance & reaching out, being a pragmatist.  You can do all of that and still maintain principles.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4484233" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4484233" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4484233">Miss- Opinion </span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4484233" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4484233" class="dsq-comment-message">Some people did not pay attention to Obama in the general I see lol. Not ref. to the people here of course. Obama is an inclusive and tolerant person who can take certain positive things from people others may not see. We can\'t fill the administration with yes people and people that only agree with us. Im not in love with the choice but I\'m not mad at it. Since we\'re on the subject of January 20th, I have to say Im not feeling the Aretha F. choice lol! I wish he had another singer. Oh well :)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4484785" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4484785" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4484785">Lewevelyn</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4484785" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4484785" class="dsq-comment-message">Isn\'t this just about prayer at the inauguration? Do you really think his prayer will be less acceptable to God?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4484964" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4484964" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4484964">malletgirl02</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4484964" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4484964" class="dsq-comment-message">The hilarious part of all the outrage about Warren is that, it wasn\'t Obama who pick him it was a bipartisan Congressional committee in charge of planning the inauguration who chose warren. I apologize if someone else mentioned this. I\'m too lazy to read to the end of the thread.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4485664" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4485664" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4485664">allheavens</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4485664" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4485664" class="dsq-comment-message">I just got through the over 900 comments at the Daily Kos. Those idiots worked my last damn nerve. Entitled much?<br><br>And I could not agree more with <b>Craig</b>, <i>get off the damn cross people, someone else needs the wood</i>. I swear we wanted a deft politician we got one. Now all they want to do is turn Obama into a clumsy left wing ideologue.<br><br>Accusing Obama of being a bigot, a hatemonger, and a sellout is ridiculous and short-sighted. Let\'s see want <i>policies</i> as President he initiates AFTER he takes office before we through the damn baby out with the bathwater.<br><br>Calling Rick Warren satan is not going to help their cause. Gays and progressive are doing the exact same thing they accuse the religious right of doing, HATING.<br><br>Obama reaches across the aisle to evangelical conservatives, it opens a dialogue about issues important to gays. Things are not going to change overnight but a dialogue needs and must be opened. Otherwise gays and evangelicals will be doomed eternally to gaze across the great abyss of religion forever screaming that the other is the devil.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4485795">GreenLadyHere</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4485795" class="dsq-comment-message">allheavens:   HEY!     :&gt;)  <b>CO-SIGN!</b></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4489731">NMP</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4489731" class="dsq-comment-message">Please tell me where these white Liberals, like Taylor Marsh, a die-hard Clinton supporter, were when Billy Graham was sleeping in the Clinton White House (when Monica wasn\'t around)?<br><br>No  matter how many ways PEO said during the campaign he had no desire or intention of being the President of Liberal America, they just don\'t get.  He made it clear, at least to me, that he would reach out to traditional adversarial groups in an effort to reach a consensus on many matters, not all, but many.  <br><br>Rick Warren is on the wrong side of gay marriage, but on the right side of talking about AIDS prevention and treatment in the church.  It\'s not ideal, but it\'s a start.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4513240">Miranda</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4513240" class="dsq-comment-message">Taylor Marsh has been looking for her "out" for a while now...this is it. I suspect there are many others just like her. They pretended to be on board with Obama after it was clear Billary just wasn\'t gonna get it, but everytime there is even a hint of anything remotely, microscopically controversial surrounding the President-elect, they waste NO time in bringing up how Hillary would handle it, how the Clintons would have handled it, all the while criticizing every move Obama makes no matter what it is...they jump on a soapbox faster than the right-wing. Frankly, I am seeing no difference between the far right-wing evangelicals and the far left-wing progressives.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4486153" href="http://talesfromthe.net/jon" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jon</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4486153" class="dsq-comment-message">As a Jew, the closest analogy I can come up with is if an anti-Semite, who had just helped pass laws stripping Jews of their rights, was invited to play a major role in President Obama\'s inauguration -- and when people protested, they were told that the desire to be inclusive meant that the new administration welcomed anti-Semites. <br><br>Do you think a marching band and Reverend Lowery would be enough to placate people in this situation? <br><br>If not, why do LGBT\'s get less consideration?</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4486473" href="http://www.noiselabs.com/blog/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">steve h</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4486473" class="dsq-comment-message">Thank you, Jon!!!  After reading through all the comments here, I can appreciate the notion that the President-Elect and his Inauguration staff are making a concerted effort to show "unity" and "reconciliation."  And I understand the notion that we must love our enemies, those whom we find it "difficult to love."  I get that.<br><br>But I also can\'t help feeling, as Jon\'s analogy so poignantly illustrates, that the President-Elect and his team see LGBT rights as simply a "social issue" on which people of conscience can disagree &ndash; personally, I\'d prefer that they view LGBT rights as core human rights, which are not negotiable.  Giving prominence to a preacher who equates homosexuality with polygamy and pedophilia is a little too much for me.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4488513" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4488513">whiterosebuddy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4488513" class="dsq-comment-message">LGBT issues are not core human rights just as there is no \'right\' to marry.<br><br>The core human rights issue has nothing to do with an individual\'s sexual choices. That is how gay advocacy attempts to twist and misconstrue all the social issues they protest about. Just as they attempted to say that homosexuality was a \'birthdefect\' and not a choice. Both of these are specious arguments and they fall on deaf ears to reasonably logical people as well as religious people. The premise only makes sense if people are emotionally swayed.<br><br>Otherwise, rational individuals understand that LGBT are not denied basic human rights in this society under the law. They are allowed the right as all individuals in this society to be free from discrimination, violence and hate when it comes to housing, education and employment.  <br><br>Warren\'s views are those of many individuals in the society whether they are religious or not. We have laws against incest and we also have laws against opposite gender siblings from marrying.  So, for LGBT to beleive they are being discriminateed out on the basis of their choice of partner is simply not true as under the law even if the partner is not same gender the law prohibits marriage between the individuals.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4489741">Michelle</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4489741" class="dsq-comment-message">I am going to ask a favor of anyone reading this part of the discussion and seeking to argue with whiterosebuddy on these issues. I am going to ask that anyone reading and thinking to comment on wrb\'s arguments here please consider not getting into a discussion on this here in this thread.<br><br>I just mentioned this to Jon, above, and decided to say it here as well. My reply to Jon above -- <a href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/12/should-the-purpose-driven-preacher-pray-over-the-potus/?disqus_reply=4489530#comment-4489530" rel="nofollow">HERE</a> -- gives an overview of my own experiences and some links to where I ended up in my own understanding in that discussion.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4495225">whiterosebuddy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4495225" class="dsq-comment-message">Michelle, what is your problem?<br>Are you afraid that people like yourself can\'t handle the truth?<br>You try so hard to claim you are such an open minded person but the truth is you are just like a GrandWizard seeking to shut down discourse.<br><br>Everyone who comes to this board has the right to discuss any issue. Your views should never be the determinant of what is discussed.<br><br>Because you are wrong and incapable of prevailing in a rationale argument doesn\'t mean you should use infantile temper tantrums to shut down discussion.<br>What a sore loser you are.<br><br>O that\'s right....you think being gay makes you special and entitled.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4496102">Michelle</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4496102" class="dsq-comment-message">wrb, see <a href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/12/should-the-purpose-driven-preacher-pray-over-the-potus/?disqus_reply=4495766#comment-4495654" rel="nofollow">my comment above</a> on this stuff.<br><br>And speaking of rational discussion, as I mentioned above you never actually replied  to my comment about <a href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/my-2-cents-on-prop-8-and-gay-marriage-a-call-for-strategic-activism/#comment-3882213" rel="nofollow">sex being for me a mode of connection rather than an object to be consumed</a> by disconnected individuals as your analogies suggested.  <br><br>You <a href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/my-2-cents-on-prop-8-and-gay-marriage-a-call-for-strategic-activism/#comment-3893356" rel="nofollow">wrote</a> you would reply later in a comment, but to my knowledge you never did. <br><br>I would be interested in reading your response to that comment over there on that thread. <br><br>Final note. just so we are clear because maybe earlier we were engaged in two different conversations due to two different goals. You wrote: <i>Because you are wrong and incapable of prevailing in a rationale argument</i><br><br>That\'s <b>your</b> goal for a discussion (dominance/prevailing) but it is not mine. I attempted to describe my goal here in another comment to hustleandfloe from last month\'s discussions: <a href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/prop-8-dont-blame-blacks-blame-mormons/#comment-3851404" rel="nofollow">here</a><br><br>*crossing my fingers hoping all my links work*</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4515223">jonster</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4515223" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'m confused because I believe from what I\'ve heard from Obama and Biden is that they have empathy for the LGBT "community" and intend to do everything they can for full gay civil rights.  I do not agree with CPL\'s remark that "if gays want people of color to be sympathetic to their concerns, they need to start seeing what we\'ve dealt with for almost 500 years."  We\'ve all been around this old planet a long time.  But CPL is right in that the majority rules.  I don\'t believe this guy with the antiquated views showed up on the roster purposefully with malice and I ascribe none to the President Elect.  Sidenote:  Michelle, it is an honor to read your concise, compassionate remarks.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4488207" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4488207" href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CPL</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4488207" class="dsq-comment-message">We will see your issues when you choose to see ours.  As long as it\'s thought that you can be gay and a bigot, you may not find much sympathy among people of color.<br><br>Blaming people of color for Prop.8\'s passage didn\'t help your case with us AT ALL.<br><br>People of Color, most notably BLACK PEOPLE - we do the heavy lifting, and everyone else wants to ride on the coattails while we continue to get denied.<br><br>I screamed the loudest about that proposition passing in California, but tell the truth; the organizers did a piss-poor job of outreach, and just assumed because you\'re in the Golden State that all of California is a liberal hotbed, when the reality is, that proposition got passed by the Saltines in the South land - because most of Northern Cal voted against it.<br><br>Trust me, since it sounds like you don\'t visit here much, I\'ll put it for you: if Obama invites anti-Semites to play a role in his inauguration, you will see a post from me calling him out on that shyt, too.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4488821">Michelle</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4488821" class="dsq-comment-message">Thank you for this comment, CPL!<br><br>That marriage equality movement has serious serious issues and problems, which to my eyes (and yours as it seems) are very clearly visible. At this time, I don\'t see any indication that the people in it will ever get to the point of necessary self-critique and internal movement change. <br><br>I hope I am wrong on that. But what I see is an irresponsible movement engaging in ungrounded playing of a sort of drama in which white privilege, childish tantrums, the creation of an unreal "we are the victims of all victims" identity that pushes back against any questioning or critique, and endless inaccurate comparisons to the Civil Rights movement seem to be common movement practice.<br><br>And in the process, LGBT issues are incorrectly defined according to the most privileged among us, without looking to the realities of the actual lives of a spectrum of L, G, B and/or T people across race, class, age, region and other areas.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4613555">lennyhate</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4613555" class="dsq-comment-message">well said. :)</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4489274" href="http://talesfromthe.net/jon" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jon</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4489274" class="dsq-comment-message">You\'re making a lot of assumptions about me, CPL.  I agree that the knee-jerk reaction of many in and out of the LGBTQ community of blaming blacks (and now more generally people of color) for Prop 8\'s passing is shameful reflects racism in the community.  However, I\'ve never taken that stance myself, have challenged those who have, and have written about how the failure to reach out to anybody but "the usual suspects" was a huge failing of the "No on 8" organizers. <br><br>Also I do hang out here fairly often (and also helped Baratunde start up the Voter Suppression Wiki) so understand the perspectives here.  Point taken about how the LGBTQ community as a whole is unlikely to get a lot of sympathy from POC.  However you did ask JJP readers what they thought, so I figured I\'d respond.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4489605" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4489605" href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CPL</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4489605" class="dsq-comment-message">And I appreciate the response, but while I made no assumptions about you personally, I stand by what I said - if Obama invites anti-Semites to participate in his inauguration I will be screaming my head off, because its one thing to try to unify - its another when you\'re inviting people across the lines who have NO INTENTION of being as conciliatory as Obama is.<br><br>I was also referring to the fact that if you\'ve read any of my posts, I have been as critical of Obama\'s decisions as I have been in praise of them.  The choice of Warren doesn\'t sit well with me; it never will, because he was trying to aid McCain by helping him cheat, and trying to trap and sandbag Obama.  Obama attended the debate in good-faith, expecting Rick Warren to be what he held himself out to be, and Warren came off looking like a kinder, gentler version of James Dobson and Tim LaHaye, not to mention, blatantly partisan.  By the same standard, if, after the antics of Sarah Palin\'s KKK campaign rallies, Warren could continue to support McCain, he was willing to support a ticket that represented bigotry in its purest form, because McCain nor Palin did anything to ask their supporters to tone it down.<br><br>I will state this again - if gays want people of color to be sympathetic to their concerns, they need to start seeing what we\'ve dealt with for almost 500 years.  This is not to say their being subjected to discrimination or bigotry is any less painful that what we have endured, but to flame at Obama for this is like demanding Obama do what they want ON CUE.  Hell, Obama isn\'t even doing what Black People want ON CUE, and we don\'t expect him to - so where do the Kossacks, and those on AmericaBlog get off?  I can understand their anger and they are well-entitled to it - but how can they be bigoted towards us as well, but we\'re expected to be sympathetic when they\'re discriminated against?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4489836">Michelle</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4489836" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>if gays want people of color to be sympathetic to their concerns, they need to start seeing what we\'ve dealt with for almost 500 years.</i><br><br>CPL, you know that there are gay people of color, right? Who do see it, of course.<br><br>(despite the bullsh** of the white gay people acting like white is the definition of gay)<br><br>I guess -- I\'m trying to say -- white gay people are "speaking for" ALL gay people because that is white privilege in action, but that is a lie based on entitlement and is not the actual reality.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4495132">whiterosebuddy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4495132" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4495132" class="dsq-comment-message">Your reality is yours as well Michelle.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4495766">Michelle</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4495766" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>Your reality is yours as well Michelle.</i><br><br>I totally agree, wrb. <br><br>Not only is this true in general, I think, but it has a particular truth for me. My experience is that "my reality" is not shared by the culture and society in which I live -- at the most core and basic of perceptual levels. So I am always double-streaming and thus pretty much constantly aware that my reality is just mine because the cues I get externally often contradict how and what I perceive.<br><br>So yeah, wrb, to my eyes that is a totally true statement you are making there -- true on multiple levels, I would say  -- and I really appreciate you making it!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4512561" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4512561" href="http://www.actsoffaithblog.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Acts Of Faith Blog</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4512561" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4512561" class="dsq-comment-message">You are so humble. People could learn from it!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4517453" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4517453" href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CPL</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4517453" class="dsq-comment-message">Yes, I do, Michelle, and what really pisses me off is that those who were responsible for outreach on Prop 8, conveniently left out gay people of color as well - the white gays appear to forget gay POCs, except when they need them to do the heavy lifting.<br><br>Sometimes I type faster than my thoughts and I should have been more clear in what I was saying. Wasn\'t leaving out gay POCs in the least.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4490701" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4490701">Sepia</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4490701" class="dsq-comment-message"><i><b>The choice of Warren doesn\'t sit well with me; it never will, because he was trying to aid McCain by helping him cheat, and trying to trap and sandbag Obama. Obama attended the debate in good-faith, expecting Rick Warren to be what he held himself out to be, and Warren came off looking like a kinder, gentler version of James Dobson and Tim LaHaye, not to mention, blatantly partisan. By the same standard, if, after the antics of Sarah Palin\'s KKK campaign rallies, Warren could continue to support McCain, he was willing to support a ticket that represented bigotry in its purest form, because McCain nor Palin did anything to ask their supporters to tone it down.</b></i><br><br>CPL, thank you so much for mentioning this, because Warren\'s handling of the debate is the first thing that crossed my mind when I heard this news. Funny how the "progressives" only choose to focus on Warren\'s anti0gay marriage stance. <br><br>So, who\'s really showing their true colors?</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4515458" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4515458" href="http://talesfromthe.net/jon" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jon</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4515458" class="dsq-comment-message">No argument that the LGBTQ people need to deal with the racism (and sexism and classism that Michelle mentions below).  Also there is a lot of anti-religious feeling that sometimes escalates to bigotry -- and is a huge barrier to outreach.  One of the encouraging things happening in some of the post-Prop 8 Stonewall 2.0 activism is that existing institutions like HRC are getting bypassed, and there\'s a lot more attention to being positive and inclusive; a lot of the reports on the Join the Impact protests on Nov. 15 discussed how diverse the crowds were.  Still there\'s a lot of room for improvement and I agree that the movement won\'t succeed until these issues are addressed.<br><br>From a strategy perspective, Obama reaching out to Warren (after Warren sandbagged him in the debate and then continued to support McCain) is similar to his reaching out to Lieberman.  It\'s not at all how I would do it, but that\'s just one of many reasons he\'s President and I\'m not.  <br><br>And other than "progressives" like the Kossacks and Americabloggers, I don\'t think anybody\'s demanding that Obama do want LGBT people want on cue.  In fact there\'s a lot of question as to how much political capital he\'ll spend to deliver on his agenda  -- including repealing the Defense of Marriage Act.  So that\'s yet another reason it\'s so important to react strongly in this case: if LGBT activists sit quietly when homophobia is rewarded, then political calculus may well lead these contentious issues to be delayed.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4515522" href="http://talesfromthe.net/jon" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jon</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4515522" class="dsq-comment-message">Also, just to clarify on Kossacks and AmericaBloggers: both fo these communities are very biased towards negative action, and proudly flaunt their anti-religious sentiments and privilege out the yin-yang.   So I\'m not surprised to hear that it\'s their reaction here.  However they\'re particularly significant players in LGBTQ activism -- in fact they missed Join the Impact as it was happening, instead focusing on John A\'s negative, anti-religious call for a boycott of Utah.  They are who they are ...</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4536485" class="dsq-comment-message">Stop it.<br><br>Please.<br><br>There is to LGBTQ community "as a whole" just like there\'s no Black community "as a whole" and some of us belong to both, and BOTH can piss us off in their self-indulgence and ludicrity at times.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4536665" class="dsq-comment-message">Fair enough, poor phrasing on my part.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4488320" class="dsq-comment-message">JOn, your analogy is far from close.  Warren is not against gays, he is against gay marriage. Two, their are no laws which grant the right of marriage let alone same sex marriage, so Warren did not help pass any law to strip anyone of anything.<br><br>Warren does not support changing the law to include gay marriage, Warren does not preach hate against homosexuals, he seemly believes that homosexuality is a sin. Which means he believes that individuals who practice homosexuality should repent and cease living a life of sin.  Warren is not advocating violence against individualds who practice homosexuality nor is he seeking to strip individuals who practive homosexuaity of their civil rights.<br><br>Which is why the outrage and loud clamoring from gay advocates is falling on deaf ears.<br><br>It simply does not rise to the level of hate nor of a denial of civil rights under the law.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4488738" class="dsq-comment-message">whiterosebuddy,<br><br>Rick Warran compares gay relationships to incest and pedophilia.  Virtually every LGBTQ person I talk to sees that as homophobic.<br><br>And he and other allies <i>did</i> just strip civil rights from individuals practicing homosexuality.  Marriage is a civil right, according to the Supreme Court. Lesbians and gays had that right in California until Prop 8; now they don\'t.<br><br>Again, look at it in terms of religion.  If somebody compared relations between two Jews to pedophilia and incest, that would get described as anti-Semitic.  And if somebody supported a proposition to take away Jews\' rights to marry, that would be taking away their civil rights - even if the people didn\'t advocate violence.<br><br>jon</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4489530" class="dsq-comment-message">Jon: I had an experience of trying to have a discussion with whiterosebuddy about LGBT issues last month. We started with areas of agreement (civil unions, ending/stopping employment and housing discrimination against gay people, stuff like that).<br><br>But as we got deeper into discussion, and as I started looking into the Arkansas decision about foster and adopted children (whether gay people should be "allowed" to parent is a place of disagreement between wrb and me), I started to get pretty creeped out by the underlying dynamics of the practice of using LGBT people as cover for an underlying non-sexual-orientation-specific pathology about sex as a practice and experience.<br><br>My comments/analysis about this are <br><br><a href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/my-2-cents-on-prop-8-and-gay-marriage-a-call-for-strategic-activism/#comment-3872623" rel="nofollow">Here</a><br><br><a href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/my-2-cents-on-prop-8-and-gay-marriage-a-call-for-strategic-activism/#comment-3882213" rel="nofollow">Here</a><br><br>Jon, in my opinion, you engaging in a discussion with wrb on these issues will simply litter the thread with stuff that has already been talked about at great length on this site and will not shed much insight on the topic at hand. <br><br>I myself personally do not feel that such a discussion would be useful coming from you at this time. I would prefer that you expend your energy trying to understand the other critiques, that CPL and others are talking about here.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4494927" class="dsq-comment-message">Michelle, how about you allow Jon to be his own arbiter of who he chooses to discuss what topic with.<br><br>Your personal views are just that...NOT universal.  What you want Jon to do is speak to like minded people and that is the best way to remain ignorant.<br><br>Even if you choose that path for yourself.  It should not be something you advocate for others, taking pride in ignorance is just plain ignorant.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4495654" class="dsq-comment-message">whiterosebuddy, you\'re making something out of nothing (and to my eyes, twisting/distorting reality)in a very obvious way with this comment. On two levels:<br><br>First, in actual lived reality here, Jon <b>is</b> his own arbiter. I have zero actual power over his actual enacted choices. <br><br>So your comment <i>Michelle, how about you allow Jon to be his own arbiter of who he chooses to discuss what topic with</i> is unnecessary at best.<br><br>Second, this is a faux objection when compared to my actual comment: <i>Your personal views are just that...NOT universal.</i>  I not only made no claim to being universal, I clearly and directly stated the opposite in my actual comment more than once:<br><br><i>I had an experience</i><br><br><i>in my opinion</i><br><br><i>I myself personally do not feel</i><br><br><i>I would prefer</i><br><br>And by the way? As long as we\'re talking? You never actually answered my last comment in the thread I linked to from last month. You posted a special reply comment to me say you would answer it later... but then you never did (unless I didn\'t see it, but I did look again). <br><br>The comment you said you were going to reply to was the one about sex being a mode of connection between beings to me, rather than some object for disconnected individuals to consume as in your analogies. I would be interested in reading a response from you over there on that thread, and will check back over there later to see if you choose to respond, as you said you would (or please post the link here so I know where it is, if I just missed it)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4511553" class="dsq-comment-message">Michelle, if you have not figured this out yet...I found your personal attacks off putting. Yes, I had said I was going to reply. With more thought I realized you were more interested in putting me into some box that you could neatly label and categorize as opposed to discussing a different perspective. I found your need to describe my expressing a wll thought out and rational personal opinion as a pathology a really twisted need on your part to affirm your own deviant choices. You want to silence people like me.<br><br>Your need to control other people\'s responses reinforces that. I find your way of expressing yourself to be dogmatic and devious as you attempt to control the world around you. Expressing an opinion on a thread and doing so in a way that you have no well reasoned rebuttal for does not license you to solicit others to not respond to me nor to smear me with innuendo and character attacks. It is the oldest trick in the world...shoot the messenger. And it speaks to the weakness of your belief system.<br><br><br>I have an opinion. Obviously, there are many here who hold opposing opinions. That is no reason for what you have gone out of your way to do in terms of characterizing me & somehow seeking to direct all others as to not engage me in a discussion. I find that cowardly on your part. After all, you can simply scroll by opinions you oppose. But not you, your need for control is so paramount that you have to create a gang mentality where folks are suppose to fall in line and do as you \'know best\'  I find that insulting and I will not engage it. It is childish. You respond like the kid on the playground who takes their bat and ball and goes home to stop the game because if they can\'t win, no one will. Very juvenile. <br><br>O you try to dress it up as some sophisticated mature response with all your  psychobabble grade school simplistic psychology  but it is very transparent that you can\'t handle the reality of your choices when it comes to individuals like myself who strongly oppose your arrogance and unwillingness to subjugate adult desires while seeking to shape children to engage in the same narcissitic delusions. <br><br>Bottomline I  do not support people with your mindset  & sexual conduct raising children, because you put yourself before them.<br><br>I believe the spiritual dissonance you feel based on your sexual conduct is because you are completely out of seek with the universe and all your clamoring to change the universe to your personal view is in vain.<br><br>I did not nor do not  condemn you as a person nor seek to advocate any discrimination against you. However, I do not believe that you or a lesbian partner would be a good role model for any children. I will fight for your rights as an individual human being to be treated with dignity and respect and  just like I feel about public drunkeness I will fight just as hard to crush any rights you think you have based on your sexual conduct.<br><br>Further, based on your mean-spirited egotistical posts directing others how to act exclusionary in  response towards my posts, I believe that your thinking is the anti-thesis of motherhood and it would be extremely detrimental for any children to develop their own individual psyche under your guidance.<br><br><br><br>I have no compassion  for  those who are intolerant while seeking tolerance.<br><br>Thus, I will pray that no one ever allows you to have or raise children.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4511973" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>your mindset & sexual conduct</i><br><br>The core of my mindset and sexual conduct, for me, is that I experience sexual contact as a form of communication/interaction between beings rather than an object to be consumed by disconnected individuals for their own selfish pleasure.<br><br>Are you so incredibly obsessed with the fact that I am with a woman that that is all that you can see?<br><br>Or are you condemning a perspective that would locate sex as a form of communication rather than disconnected consumption?<br><br><i>individuals like myself who strongly oppose your arrogance and unwillingness to subjugate adult desires while seeking to shape children to engage in the same narcissitic delusions.</i><br><br>First, to be clear, I myself do not want or have children. Never have wanted, actually. \'<br><br>But I do think it is an important issue -- what the qualifications are or should be to raise young ones. I myself personally would hope for a standard that would include this: those who perceive sex in terms of disconnected individuals using other beings as objects (to get the object of sexual pleasure, for example) would at least have to think twice -- to be honest and self-critical in a real way -- about what they would be capable of teaching children under their care about being a contributing part of an interdependent whole.<br><br><i>I believe the spiritual dissonance you feel based on your sexual conduct</i><br><br>Well, I don\'t feel any spiritual dissonance based on <b>my</b> sexual conduct and I never said I did<br><br>In that discussion, I felt it emanating from you and from that website in Arkansas I mentioned. And in your case, it is because you write about sex as if it is an object to be consumed by disconnected individuals rather than a mode of communication/interaction between beings. <br><br>More broadly, I feel spiritual dissonance around sex from a society that teaches that sex is a way for disconnected individuals to get an object for themselves to consume. As I wrote, I see this on both ends of the spectrum. As someone for whom sex is a mode of communication and interaction, I find this other way to be horrifying to hear/read about, horrifying at a deep spiritual level. <br><br><i>clamoring to change the universe to your personal view is in vain.</i><br><br>This, I agree 100% with. I don\'t expect this system to change so that it makes sense to me. It is too entrenched, I think.<br><br><i>Thus, I will pray that no one ever allows you to have or raise children.</i><br><br>Well, you certainly have a very interesting approach to the uses of prayer.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4512622" class="dsq-comment-message">Not sure how you ever conceived of sex as an object.<br><br>Individuals engage in sex, it is an act. Not an object.<br><br>Sex can not be consumed. It is an act that can be engaged in, not consumed.<br><br>Individuals engage in actions by choice.<br><br>Anyone who conceives/perecieves of sex as an object has spiritual dissonance.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4513220" class="dsq-comment-message">Whiterosebuddy, I\'m confused, YOU are the one using analogies that sex is an object to be consumed. <br><br>You wrote about access to sex as being like access to drugs, alcohol, ice cream and pie. Those were your metaphors (or whatever that is, similes, analogies?)<br><br>Or -- maybe this is just semantics. Maybe to you the object is whatever the physical feeling of sex is, and sex is the act of getting it. To me this is basically the same thing I am objecting to and sickened by.<br><br><i>Anyone who conceives/perecieves of sex as an object has spiritual dissonance.</i><br><br>We agree on this, on the face of that statement. But if you feel that way, why do you write about sex (or the experience of sex or whatever that is) as if analogous to objects to be consumed?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4522717" class="dsq-comment-message">No, Michelle you are confused because you misconstrued the analogy. The analogy was about pleasure, desire and feelings. You miscontrued that into sex being an object. That is on you and your distorted cognition.<br><br>Nor did I write about sex in terms of access to drugs, alcohol or ice cream. RATHER, you misconstrued because of your belief system that CONDUCT ENGAGING in those ACTS was about access and termed the ACTS objects!!  Again, that is on you and your distorted mental belief system. Must be hard trying to keep all those denials straight in order  to continue the self-delusion necessary to simultaneously  projecting it as \'other\'s\' problems.<br><br>O, so you finally get it was about feeling huh? You finally made it to the essence of the point? Hahaha, it must be really something to have to go through life denying feelings to the extent that you have to totally deny what is stated in order for it to make sense in your chosen deviant belief system. First you deny, then you denouce, then you decry, and finally you realize ...OH, that is not what was meant. All because you start out from a aberrant viewpoint., when it comes to sex being a behavior that you choose to engage in. You want to believe it is some inherent trait and it is not. It is a behavior.<br><br>Michelle, again, with regard to semantics...only you are calling, misconstruing and willfully distorting the statements made as being about OBJECTS vs. FEELINGS. nothing semantic about feelings vs. objects. <br><br>Only YOU, projected that nonsense.<br><br>and<br>You did so, as a basis for you to go into a tangent of pathological lies about what it meant in order to attempt justify the complete denounciation of your belief system with a reasoned cogent argument. You HAD NO rebuttal!!<br><br>In short you had no rational rebuttal to the reasoned argument presented ...so you chose to characterize me as being warped mentally ..when it was you who was twisting and distorting the statements to mislead YOURSELF which you have mastered to support your deviant sexual conduct. It is not normal and you cannot make it normal by trying to say it is ME, who is deviant.<br><br>Which is why I chose to not engage you any longer. I understand the depth of denial that homosexuals typically have and their need to justify them by vilifying others who don\'t buy into their deviant belief system.<br><br>Nevertheless, I respect your right as an individual to delude yourself.<br>Even when your spirit is obviously so unhappy that you seek to exclude others while demanding your sexual conduct  be included and accepted as normal.<br><br>It is not normal, accept it is deviant and live your life fully embracing the deviant sexual conduct.<br><br>Just don\'t insist that the world has to accept it as normal.  We are willing to accept YOU.  Not what you DO. We aren\'t willing to embrace your deviant sexual choices as normal. Nor are we willing to accept that your sexual desires have greater priorty than marriage and families. Prop* failed in the most populated BLUE state in the union!!!!!!!!<br><br>Michelle, you should not engage me on this topic anymore. You should scroll by my posts and you should allow others to engage as they choose.  After all, isn\'t that the very core principle homosexuals want...to make their own choices about conduct...how about you apply that in other areas of your life?<br><br>Or are you unable to be as tolerant of others choices as you want them to be of yours?<br><br>Bottomline, let\'s agree to disagree.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4532752" class="dsq-comment-message">wrb, you are <b>lying.</b> And you may not realize who/what you are in a conversation with right now, wrb, when it comes to lying, because you are so obsessed with who I am attracted to or not that you are blinded to anything else.)<br><br>But you know, wrb: You are <b>lying</b> and I will not let your lies go by without comment.<br><br>You just wrote: <i>Nor did I write about sex in terms of access to drugs, alcohol or ice cream. </i><br><br>You may have some way to get around this with fancy words, wrb, but you are lying. Here are <b>your very own words</b> from last month\'s thread (thread linked in my reply to Jon, above):<br><br>wrb writes: <b>Your first sexual encounter is no different from the first time you are offered drugs or liquor. You get to decide to engage in that conduct no matter what the gender of the individual is. The probability of that chance being equal is not the issue, the probability of what you choose to do is the issue. Everyone decides with equal chance whether to imbibe, inhale or fornicate. Conduct is always a choice.</b><br><br><a href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/my-2-cents-on-prop-8-and-gay-marriage-a-call-for-strategic-activism/#comment-3860943" rel="nofollow">Source: where you posted this</a><br><br>wrb writes: <b>It could have been your first taste of ice cream or your first slice of apple pie. The point was simply that when you try it you like it. It is PLEASURABLE not that as you choose to misconstrue it as some \'addictive/compulsive\' behavior.</b><br><br><a href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/11/my-2-cents-on-prop-8-and-gay-marriage-a-call-for-strategic-activism/#comment-3880754" rel="nofollow">Source: where you posted this</a><br><br>You wrote those words. You did.<br><br>You are LYING now, just lying. Fancy words don\'t change what you wrote. My inability to correctly get just the exact right words to name the sickness you are promoting doesn\'t change the actual view of sex that you are actually promoting. <br><br>Further -- <b>you willfully do not understand what I mean by object.</b> <br><br>Disconnected individuals believe that they are the center of the universe and that all around them are not other beings they have to interact with, but objects for them to use to fulfill their own <b>desires.</b><br><br>That is why I see your view as being about objects. Treating other beings as things who exist in relation to your desires, not as real beings to interact with.<br><br>Look at your own words and scenarios. In your scenarios quoted above, there is one disconnected individual interacting with <b>whatever</b> is around her/him as if they are things, not beings.<br><br>So let me be clear, yet again. Whiterosebuddy, <b>I find your view of sex sick and twisted</b> There is NO OTHER PERSON in your analogies. There is the disconnected individual and things related to that disconnected individual\'s "pleasure" (to use your word). It is crystal clear who is <b>and is not</b> in the landscape and worldview you promote. <br><br>To my eyes, your perception of sex reveals a bleak sick situation in which disconnected individuals approach sex as if it is something related to their disconnected individual desires, rather than as a communication and interaction with another being who is not in your analogies but IS there in real life in every case where the person is not having sex with themselves.<br><br>I find your way of seeing and describing sex between two people to be deeply twisted and sick. I believe that anyone having sex from the worldview you promote is acting in ways that will be deeply harmful to the actual beings involved -- harmful  to their <b>humanity</b> and to their <b>souls</b>. <br><br>And, I do not believe that this is an individual sickness specific to you. As I wrote last month, I see it as part and parcel of the dominant culture in this country. I see it people who come from your belief system AND from capitalist advertisers making things of other beings and selling "sex" as if it is a mode of fulfilling the disconnected individual\'s desire.<br><br>You want this conversation to be about "homosexuality" because that is supposed to give you cover. <br><br>You have a unmerited (and itself deeply, deeply sick) dominant cultural force around of the discussion is about "homosexuality", a force that that gives you an unearned false "high ground." <br><br>But I see through that, wrb. I see how sick and twisted YOUR perspective on sex is. Such deep harm, such distortion, makes me recoil in disgust. <br><br>you wrote: <i>Bottomline, let\'s agree to disagree.</i><br><br>No. Your actions in our discussions -- your lies, your use of "this is about homosexuality" as a cover for what you are really promoting, and your actual promotion of a sick and distorted worldview -- they offend me spiritually, wrb. <br><br>I will not "agree to disagree" with someone who desecrates truth as you do. <br><br>I am willing to "agree to disagree" only when I am dealing with someone who has accountability to the truth in a real and enacted way. Through interaction with you, I have assessed that you fail at that. <br><br>Like I said above: you do not seem to know who/what you are really talking to when you are talking to me. And I will say this: check your gut knowledge and attend carefully to what is around you. <br><br>Specifically, you\'d better be really certain you are (and will continue to be) fully protected by the dominant culture that is animating you on these topics .... because without that protection, you will have to account for what you say and do whether you want to or not.<br><br>Without that protection, that  accountability will not come from/through me -- but I am telling you whether you choose to hear it or not ... without that protection, it will come.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4536100" class="dsq-comment-message">O my...you are so deluded that you think you can decide what is truth?  <br>Your type of delusional paranoid self absorbed confusion does not merit a response.<br><br>All you wish to do as I said previously is demean me.<br><br>You are one sick demented person all because of your sexual desires.<br><br>Unbelievable.<br><br>I will respond if you chose to not agree to disagree..don\'t think you will silence me.<br><br>And the operative word in what I stated was not access it was pleasure..which is not an object but a feeling.<br><br>People experience pleasure solely on their own, whether there is someone else experiencing it or not...their pleasure is theirs alone.<br><br>Geez.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4538040">Michelle</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4538040" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>And the operative word in what I stated was not access it was pleasure..which is not an object but a feeling.<br><br>People experience pleasure solely on their own, whether there is someone else experiencing it or not...their pleasure is theirs alone.</i><br><br>You write of sex in terms/analogies of experiencing pleasure as a disconnected individual.<br><br>I write of it as one possible mode of interaction and communication between real beings.<br><br>From my standpoint, you are overly obsessed with individual self, individual desire and feelings of pleasure when it comes to sex.<br><br>From my standpoint, you are overly focused on your own and other individual\'s feelings and desires, and you speak a world in which people relate to sex with each other as being about individual desire and pleasure rather than communication and interaction.<br><br><i>You are one sick demented person all because of your sexual desires.</i><br><br>You are deeply obsessed with what you claim and imagine are "my" sexual desires. <br><br>Again, pretending it\'s about the gender of who I am with serves as cover for and diversion from the distorted twisted way you perceive and write about sex.<br><br><i>All you wish to do as I said previously is demean me.</i><br><br>I think that what actually demeans you is the sickness you carry about what sex is and your choice to hide it under this other topic. I think that would demean you whether I (or anyone else) pointed it out or not.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4512490" href="http://www.actsoffaithblog.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Acts Of Faith Blog</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4512490" class="dsq-comment-message">WRS, you are still being intolerant and hateful no matter what justification you use. Michelle has been nothing but reasonable with you when she didn\'t have to be. Try applying the concept of LOVING people even if you don\'t agree with them and respecting their choices. If I applied your mindset I\'d say most Black people shouldn\'t have children because they\'re self-hating and irresponsible.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4522139">whiterosebuddy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4522139" class="dsq-comment-message">Excuse me? Heartsandflowers...what criteria are you using to claim I am intolerant and hateful? You seem to assume that I have no right to stand up for my own belief as if embracing deviant sexual conduct is the only way to be tolerant. Well, you are wrong. <br><br>I applied the concept of LOVING people. I am not proselytizing hate or condemnation of any human being. I am however, forcefully, righteously and vociferously denouncing and rejecting deviant sexual conduct as a premise for marriage or raising children.  I do so as strongly as those who support it...and if your view is not hatred of me and my opinions then neither is mine hatred of any individual.<br><br>If you were able to comprehend what I said, you would understand that black people lose their children all the time due to irresponsiblity and self-hatred behaviors!!<br><br>Furthermore, you would also comprehend that being black is not the reason for self-hatred and irresponsiblity ...i.e. it is not inherent on the basis of race, just as homosexuality is not inherrent.<br><br>Rather, INDIVIDUALS choose to CONDUCT themselves in ways that irresponsible and filled with self-hatred, delusions and narcissitic denials.<br><br>Those individuals, regardless of race and if they are perpetuating homosexuality do NOT have any business raising childfen...just like alcoholics, addicts, thieves, and murderers don\'t.<br><br>My disagreeing with people does not mean I am disrespectful.  What you seem to think is that I have to be silent  to be respectful and that is completely false.  In fact, it is the reason I speak out. NO ONE gets to SILENCE anyone because they DISAGREE.<br><br>If you were fully embracing of the \'LOVING\' concept you would understand that and respected me for voicing my opinion. Further, you would have admonished Michelle for trying to create a ganglike mentality with other posters to act exclusionary.<br><br>I did not advocate excluded Michelle she advocated exclusionary towards me...and it is you who bought into her hate under some auspice of \'respecting\' her choice.<br><br>What hypocrisy on your part.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4528925" href="http://www.actsoffaithblog.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Acts Of Faith Blog</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4528925" class="dsq-comment-message">No WRB I\'m not buying it. No one said to not discuss differences either. We are not going to agree but there comes a point where a line has to be drawn. Conflicts will result when people take sides. So I have to step into this now because you are hijacking the conversation and stating your position as being the only legit position. Don\'t get defensive and combative when others call you on it!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4535991">whiterosebuddy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4535991" class="dsq-comment-message">I am not hijacking anything. You made an assertion regarding my character. You were off topic and you were not discussing the issue. Instead you made me the issu. So, I need to call you on that. I am not defensive nor combative I am simply not backing off of what I beleive and presenting it in a well reasoned way without resorting to impugning people\'s character simply because I do not agree with them.<br><br>The line can only be drawn IF everyone is silent. It can\'t just be because I hold a minority view on the site that I am the one who needs to be silent. Doesn\'t work that way.<br><br>You called yourself out heartsandflowers when you chose to focus on me vs. the subject under discussion.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4536402" href="http://www.actsoffaithblog.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Acts Of Faith Blog</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4536402" class="dsq-comment-message">You\'re trying to change the conversation not me. I will ask this of every person who wants to hold a moral superiority clause over another. You made a comment about not wanting to leave a child in the care of a gay person on the basis of living life the "wrong" way. So what about all the kids being born out of wedlock to straight people, the bad parenting, the sperm donors who don\'t father their kids and all the unmarried sex? What about the physical intimidation women have to protect themselves from just walking down the street in the average Black neighborhood? What about all the rapes that occur that go unreported or when it is like in R Kelly\'s case you have a bunch of women defending a child molester? If you\'re going to make moral proclamations then do it across the board! These are far more deadly to Blacks than this big gay boogeyman straw hat argument. Black people have to take responsibility for all of it and their homophobia under guise of religiosity. We are also in murky water when some of us gleefully support our preferences as absolute truths against other Blacks like with colorism which is akin shade racism or against gays. It is what white people have done to us.  We won\'t have a leg to stand on in protest. I understand that you and others are not going to be accepting of homosexuality but I don\'t have to be silent any more than you do and I will continue to engage where I see you and others being devisive. Without people like Bayard Rustin and Barbara Jordan we wouldn\'t be enjoying most of the civil rights and freedoms to even be having this conversation!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4490809">whiterosebuddy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4490809" class="dsq-comment-message">Jon,<br>Because Warren fins similarities between incest, pedophilia and homosexuality does not mean he is homophobic. A word which is such a misnomer, as I have yet to find a person who beleives that homosexuality is wrong from a religious perspective who is fearful of homosexualities.  Point of fact, most Christians believe in loving the sinner and hating the sin...so homophobic does not begin to fit.  Also, if we look at sexual behaviors, and are making a list of sexual behaviors that are deviant in our society, then homosexuality would belong in the category along with incest, pedophilia, etc.<br><br>Marriage is not a civil right Jon. NO individual has a right to marry.  Marriage is a right. There are no laws that proclaim marriage to be a civil right. California\'s law purporting to give such a right was overturned.<br><br>Jon, Warren is not comparing religions, he is looking at sexual conduct. On the spectrum of how humans can conduct themselves homosexuality is deviant, i.e. outside the norm...so is incest and pedophia.<br><br>I emphasize to you again. No individuals in America have a right granted to marry under the constitution. Marriage is a religious rite not a right.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4488659">Michelle</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4488659" class="dsq-comment-message">Jon, as a fellow Jew and also a lesbian, I suggest you carefully read and take in what CPL wrote in reply, below. It\'s very much on point IMO.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4512214" href="http://www.actsoffaithblog.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Acts Of Faith Blog</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4512214" class="dsq-comment-message">You\'re taking it to a much more extreme stance than what this represents. Take the ego and emotion out of the equation and be a little more pragmatic. Is this going to be the single most important issue to you? If so, then by all means protest away. A lot of people don\'t have to like Warren but recognize the complications and traps that litter every choice the Inaugural Committee makes. It is the Committee\'s doing after all.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4560162" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4560162">Michael</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4560162" class="dsq-comment-message">Steve Elmendorf, a former deputy campaign manager for John Kerry and senior adviser to Dick Gephardt, called it “very disappointing” that a number of high-quality LGBT candidates had been passed over. “It’s a very diverse and inclusive cabinet for every community except for the gay and lesbian community,” he said.<br><br>Not that anyone’s counting, but the cabinet as announced/projected at present includes three Latinos, two Asian Americans, one African-American, three women, and, yes, two Republicans.<br><br>Elmendorf observed that the top-tier White House staff doesn’t appear to have any LGBT people in it either. “That just makes the Rick Warren thing an extra kick in the stomach,” he said.<br><br>Though Elmendorf sympathized with Obama’s big-tent argument about wanting to reach out to evangelicals through Rick Warren, he added, “but I don’t think [the Obama team] has sent any signals to the gay and lesbian community -- who voted for him overwhelmingly -- that they want to include them.”<br><br>The inaugural committee is touting the participation of the Lesbian and Gay Band Association in the inaugural parade as a symbol of inclusion.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4560503">Denise</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4560503" class="dsq-comment-message">Not that this is anyone\'s business, but is Janet Napolitano married?</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4561307" href="http://www.actsoffaithblog.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Acts Of Faith Blog</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4561307" class="dsq-comment-message">Except there is an openly gay white person in his administration. Using quotes from other people to make a point is just tired meme hijacking and not a real discussion anyway. Human Rights Campaign wrote that lame open letter but intentionally left out Joseph Lowery\'s participation because it would weaken their attempt at bashing.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4486764" href="http://punditmom1.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">PunditMom</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4486764" class="dsq-comment-message">Why do we need anyone to pray over Obama at the inauguration??  I say skip it and we don\'t have to worry about these issues.  Anyway, given the fact that Warren also thinks wives should be subservient to their husbands, it might be dangerous for him to get too close to Michelle.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4488099" href="http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CPL</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4488099" class="dsq-comment-message">LOL, Pundit Mom - I could see Warren praying that Michelle become subservient to Obama, and she gets ready to put her Jimmy Choos up his ass for saying it.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4512114" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4512114" href="http://www.actsoffaithblog.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Acts Of Faith Blog</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4512114" class="dsq-comment-message">Well people misconstrue that bit of Biblical verse all the time. The husband is supposed to love the wife the way God loves the church (people).  People have no concept of what that is. Also I don\'t equate submitting (not working against) as subservience (being a doormat).</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4490636">whiterosebuddy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4490636" class="dsq-comment-message">I just had a delicious thought.<br><br>What IF...Warren is just a litmus test?<br><br>What IF...he was just put out there to test the waters so Obama could select the person he really wants.<br><br>Obama can cave into the pressure about Warren...and then select<br><br>REV WRIGHT!!!<br><br><br>hahahahaha...wouldn\'t that be rich?<br><br>What a nice ending to have the man who married you, baptised your children and now inaugurate you.<br><br>hahaha..<br><br><br>I think this qualifies for what CPL calls SECOND CHANCES!!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4495502">Justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4495502" class="dsq-comment-message">Whiterose<br><br>I need to talk to you about an issue. I would love to hear your input on it!<br><br>How can I get in touch?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4496246" class="dsq-comment-message"><a href="mailto:whiterosebuddy@q.com" rel="nofollow">whiterosebuddy@q.com</a></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4511515">Justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4511515" class="dsq-comment-message">Check your email!<br><br>Thanks!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4523195">spirit_55z</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4523195" class="dsq-comment-message">WRB, I sent you an email!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4491574">Sepia</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4491574" class="dsq-comment-message">Goodness! Could the HuffPo headline be any bigger???<br><br>And someone needs to tell Hilary Rosen to STFU seeing as though she supported HRC\'s race baiting ass.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4495500">whiterosebuddy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4495500" class="dsq-comment-message">Hillary Rosen was awful. It is outrageous how narcissitc people who are gay and gay advocates can be.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4512987">Miranda</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4512987" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'m still trying to figure out what exactly Rick Warren is supposed to be doing...because I am obviously under the incorrect notion that he was going to be saying a prayer. Apparently he\'s gonna to be delivering a policy address and afterwards Barack Obama will stand and fully endorse said policy, which will seek to make gays and lesbians 3/5ths humans. I swear....I just thought the man was gonna say a prayer.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4514181">Michelle</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4514181" class="dsq-comment-message">Miranda, LOL! <br><br>I actually had to go google "invocation" late last night, because I started to get really confused. I asked my girlfriend, too, since she has formally studied Christian theology. <br><br>Nothing I have heard thus far suggests that he is going to do a policy address.<br><br>Though ... IMO it would be kind of funny is someone would do a satire in which Warren DOES do a policy speech under the guise of an invocation (which I still don\'t entirely understand). I mean, there must be a way he could do it. That would be funny to read. I wonder, has anyone done that yet anywhere? I don\'t know enough about invocations to be able to do it myself.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4514482">Miranda</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4514482" class="dsq-comment-message">I think you can do it! your parody you did earlier was spot ON!  I know Town could too! <br>I just don\'t understand why this is as big of an issue as it is. Its a freaking PRAYER...the man is NOT going to get up at the inaguration and start speaking in tongues and begging God to rid the USA of the unrighteous heathens and praying for the rapture...I just know he\'s not.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4536333" href="http://craighickman.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CraigHickman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4536333" class="dsq-comment-message">It\'s been done.<br><br><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-hirshman/we-call-on-you-lord-leake_b_152476.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-hirshman/we...</a></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4512482" class="dsq-comment-message">As much as I can not stand the idea of Obama letting Rick Warren near him.  I see it very differently.  I see the whole Rick Warren as a slow process of neutralizing the religious right political organizations.   Think about how many fundamentalist follow Warren.  By Warren praying over Obama.  Warren is showing some segments from the religous right that Obama is all right in the eyes of God.  Imagine the impact that would have on the movement.  <br><br>Don\'t forget folks if you think them crazy Saltines went buck wild against Clinton.  Think how they will rally their troops against  Obama.  They\'ll make the Clinton ordeal look like a Sunday walk in the Park.  There are people who do not want Obama presidency to succeed, no matter what cost to the country.  Many of them are fundies.   <br><br>Think about it. How many times have white men tossed token women, LGBT, Latino, Blacks, Asians to quiet us down.  After we see the tokens everything become right as rain (for the most part).  Why can\'t Obama use that same tactic.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4512912" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4512912" href="http://www.actsoffaithblog.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Acts Of Faith Blog</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4512912" class="dsq-comment-message">Rick Warren is a False Prophet anyway but there\'s a few million sheep that go baaah when they see him. We all need to chill out! There\'s gonna be way more things to lose it over.<br><br><a href="http://snipurl.com/8urli" rel="nofollow">http://snipurl.com/8urli</a></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4513781">lamh31</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4513781" class="dsq-comment-message">I wish I could articulate how I feel about  this topic better, but why should I when Al Giordano at The Fieldsays what I want to say, but better.<br><br>Ya\'ll really should read this post, it is basically what a lot of people from this site are saying.  Here\'s a little piece, but ya\'ll should read the whole post:<br><br><a href="http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/you-dont-get-inclusion-calling-exclusion#comments" rel="nofollow">Al Giordiano, The Field: You Don\'t Get Inclusion by Calling for Exclusion<br></a><br><br><br>"...There are new rules, folks. The tired 1970s academic tactics of seeking to censor and ban others from speaking because of political disagreements are over. Stick a fork in \'em. They\'re done.<br><br>The objection to Warren is that he opposed gay marriage through California\'s Proposition 8. Well, guess what? So did a slight majority of Californians. Should they be disinvited to the inaugural, too?<br><br>We\'re not talking about a policy position here. It\'s a fucking prayer, that\'s all...you don\'t win inclusion in society by campaigning for exclusion of others"</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4514785" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4514785" href="http://www.eclectique916.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">eclectique916</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4514785" class="dsq-comment-message">If anyone\'s been paying attention, "welcoming" congregations are growing but still the exception, and not the general rule in the Christian community.  I also notice open LGBT members staying in churches where marriage between a man and woman IS the rule. Chruch stuff is complicated.  Why people stay tends to be deeper than why people leave.<br><br>Safe choice may be to keep all the ministers away form the podium.  Or have a Native American shaman give the invocation.<br><br>Since I have been exposed to church and church folk from birth, Lowery, who supports marriage rights,  gives the benediction and that\'s the last word.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4515545" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4515545">PB</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4515545" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'ve only read a few of the comments, but I have to disagree with those who defend this move. I understand that there are a lot of hypocrites calling foul. I\'m not one of them. I\'ll never forgive Hillary and Bill for the race-baiting. I also know that there are a lot of other instances where we are expected to accept the unacceptable. Still, that doesn\'t change the fact that this is a bad decision. <br>The problem with Rick Warren isn\'t just that he supported Prop 8. He compared homosexuality to pedophilia, and he has reportedly said that non-believers shouldn\'t hold political office. He is a fundamentalist. These people have had unprecedented access to the White House for eight years, and they have had a damaging, prominent position in national politics for at least the last two decades when Reagan took his born again strategy, tied it to the southern strategy and swung his dumb ass into the white house on that knotted, twisted rope. Warren isn\'t being appointed to anything, he\'s not in a position to make policy. But I just don\'t like the idea of making someone who doesn\'t believe in the separation of church and state--a fundamentalist--a part of this historic event, which is supposed to be about change and progress and all of that good shyt. This would have been a wonderful opportunity to give voice to someone like Jim Wallis. Christian leaders who are not fundamentalists do not get enough face time, and Wallis\'s participation would have been a better symbol of what Obama has tried to promote, namely, moderation, civility, maturity, the importance of reason, and inclusion. Though Warren is soft spoken and sincere, he is very much a fundamentalist. I think this is a mistake and a squandered opportunity.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4515753" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4515753" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4515753">Plantsmantx</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4515753" class="dsq-comment-message">"I thought him to be less fundy than, say, James Dobson or Pat Robertson."<br><br>Warren is to Dobson and Robertson what so-called "rational racists" like Philippe Rushton, Jared Taylor, and (yes, even) David Duke are to out-and-out Klansmen and neo-Nazis.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4516981" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4516981" href="http://shruglife.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Mr. Noface</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4516981" class="dsq-comment-message">The invocation that Obama invited Warren to do at his inauguration, is a prayer.  As far as I know, Warren is a pastor.  Last time I checked, prayer was what pastors did.  The arguments against Warren have nothing to do with the style, subject, or delivery of his prayers; they have to do with his political views and how they are offensive to those in the LGBT community.  This outrage (from my viewpoint) is basically stems from a notion held by some on the left that because this dude\'s views are in direct opposition to their views and some of the views of THEIR President, he shouldn\'t be invited to make the opening PRAYER for THEIR President.  Ridiculous… I have no other word for it.  It’s a double standard that borders on hypocrisy, that same type of hypocrisy that those on the right have been accused of (rightly so, most of the time).  This idea of  if you don’t agree with me, then there is something wrong with you and you are part of the problem (so you either shape up and get on board or go away), should have no place in a democracy.  <br><br>The Left did not get Obama into office (although they provided the lion’s share of the votes that went his way) because they don’t have enough to make up a majority in America.  That means that those from the center and yes, even the right cast their ballots for the O-man.  And that means that the left needs to understand that Obama is not THEIR President.  He’s OUR President (by “our” I mean all Americans not just some political wing).  Obama does not belong to the left or the right.  Obama will be the President of all of the United States (even the parts that didn’t vote for him).  I believe that he understands that and his invitation to Warren, is evidence of that awareness.      <br><br>Also (and this may be tough for some of you to swallow), not every American shares the same views as those in the progressive quarters of American society (California’s Prop 8 should have driven that point home).  Does that mean that they should go and find their own president because the current president elect doesn’t share all of their views?  Seriously, who is going to represent “those people” (if not Obama) for the next four years?  And if Obama will be the president of “those people”, why is it wrong for him to invite one of “those people” to HIS inauguration?!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4528270" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4528270" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4528270">Admiral_Komack</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4528270" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4528270" class="dsq-comment-message">Let Rick Warren say his prayer.<br>It\'ll tick off the right-wing.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4517063" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4517063" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4517063">tovangar2</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4517063" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4517063" class="dsq-comment-message">Warren is a big ol\' mistake imho.  The consternation caused is real and justified.  I do worry about BHO a wee bit when he seems to seek the approval of a man who is manifestly his inferior.  However he doesn\'t do it too often or to a marked degree.  May be daddy issues.  I do not know.  I guess I could pray for a more perfect Obama, but then he wouldn\'t be any fun...</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4517452" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4517452" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4517452">hopee</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4517452" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4517452" class="dsq-comment-message">As much as I wanted Obama to win I feared that the rules for him would be different.  And they are.  Every decision he has made thus far has been met with criticism, not from the Right but from the Left.  After every appointment there have been posts on sites asking what about women, what about Hispanics, what about LGBT, blah, blah, blah. Every time there has been a rumor about an appointment the blogosphere was swift with their dissent.  Did we elect him because we shared his vision and believed in  his intellect or not?  Give him a chance!  Is that too much to ask?  Is that unreasonable?  This Warren situation is pissing me off for a couple of reasons.  We  have bitched and moaned for eight years about the ideological rigidity of the Bush administration and yet at the first opportunity to prove that we believe in inclusion, the Left is calling for Obama\'s head and threatening to withhold support, financial and otherwise.  Secondly, there is an undercurrent in the rhetoric that comes across that Obama should be grateful that the good white folks voted for him and thus he must substitute his own thoughts and feelings for theirs.  I hope that his tenure in office is not fraught with this constant hand wringing and second-guessing.  We don\'t have to have blind faith but a little belief in his judgment would be nice.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4472960" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4472960" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4472960">Myth</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4472960" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472960" class="dsq-comment-message">It;s an abomination and an insult to all of the black preachers in this country to throw the baby out with Jeremiah Wright\'s bath water.  He is going to eventually need support across this country and the black pulpit will go silent on him.  Maybe Rick Warren\'s congregation will support him. Black preachers can shut his support from black people down in a heart beat especially if he wants to go for a second term.  BAD, BAD MOVE.  Where is Michelle to help him?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4473270" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4473270" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4473270">T.</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4473270" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4473270" class="dsq-comment-message">Let the focus of our angst stay on the decision to choose Rick Warren to commence the ceremonies, OK? Because this supposed \'man of God\' does not share our values and selecting him is an affront to most, if not all, of the Democratic base.<br><br>Now if you\'re looking for a black religious leader, Dr. Lowery will do the benediction. That\'s alright by me.<br><br>T.</div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-4475654">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4475654" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4475654" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4475654">rmrd0000</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4475654" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4475654" class="dsq-comment-message">WRB<br><br>I find it difficult to watch much of  MSM because EVERYTHING is a crisis. <br>Fitzgerald\'s implication that Obama is not involved in the Blagojevech scandal leads to MSM questions that surpass those directed at a VP who appears to have supported torture.<br><br>Now we have people upset about Rick Warren while GW is burrowing wingnuts in government agencies and changing directives as he heads out the door.  Obama has to deal with that and the major factor, the economy..  That will be the priority.<br><br>Gays know that the public supports repeal of "Don\'t ask, Don\'t tell and having gays serve openly in the military. BUT there is also the fact that the gay marriage proposition failed in California. Gays have the young adults on their side on many issues. In order to get the older adults on their side, there needs to be outreach rather than protest. The GOP is weakened. Obama is doing Gays a favor by inviting Warren et al. The Christian Fundamentalists will come off as unreasonable if they continue their current anti-science, "my way or the highway" agenda.<br><br>Stem cells research has produced bronchial tube and urinary bladders. Fundamentalist obstruction to progress will become more and more impotent. Rick warren\'s invocation is a non-issue. Getting voters who if fully informed would support much of what Gays desire on their side is what needs to be done. Images of protests during what is going to be a historic Inuaguration does nothing.<br><br>Energy born of frustration should be directed at turning more people to understand the desires of Gay Americans which are identical to those of most Americans.<br><br>I see a future in which the Religious Right has less and less influence. In fact with proper public education by Gay activists, I see that future right around the corner.<br><br>To sum up I see MSM  getting aroused by issues that will be resolved by the courts or by the Illinois legislature, and do not involve the Presiden-Elect directly, while overlooking an admission of War crimes. I see some Progressives getting upset by a soon forgotten invocation, and failing to realize why an issue that should have passed in California, wound up going down in defeat.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4480284" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4480284" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4480284">Lilytiger</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4480284" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4480284" class="dsq-comment-message">I think they have these banner people and music people who get in a room and decide how they are going to stir up the people .<br><br>Enough already. Not everything deserves its own theme music.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4483208" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4483208" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4483208">whiterosebuddy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4483208" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4483208" class="dsq-comment-message">lol lol..lily..you GOT that right!!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4483171" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4483171" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4483171">whiterosebuddy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4483171" class="dsq-comment-message">Hey Mrdoooooooooooooo!!<br>How are you?!   Man, it is good to see a post from you.  I feel you on each and every one of those issues. You know it is that old adage, folks are just biting off their nose to spite their face on a lot of this.<br><br>The religious right will indeed see their power diminished because Obama is going to neatly co-opt it with just the sort of thing he is doing with Rick Warren. I wish that folks would not get so emotional about some of these issues. If they paused for a little while they would be able to see that Obama has a completely different agenda and that he is going to drive that agenda with most of these naysayers IN the tent, instead of outside of it.<br><br>I wonder sometimes how folks beleive you flip powerful people on issues?  A lot of time they are not flip, rather they are neutralized by being invited to the table. They are allowed to express their ideas and work as a member of the team, which forces them to take accountability for the outcome, even when it is not their desired outcome.<br><br>Having a seat at the table demands far more than when you can just sit outside and agitate and foment hate and division.  People who can\'t lead within the group learn how futile their efforts are and how powerful the arguments are against them.<br><br>So, I am confident with Obama at the helm and all the experts at the table we are going to see some huge shifts in public policy which will move this country forward as the voices that are most respected will be at the table and agree to the group outcome.  <br><br>In short, there will not be any credible experts not at the table who can advocate against the policy objectives.<br><br>Barack is simply a brilliant strategist.<br><br>After 8 years in the wilderness we are about to see some real sunshine and a new way forward.<br><br>Hallelujiah!!<br><br>Mrdoooo, are you going to the inauguration?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4472481" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4472481" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-4472481" href="http://www.natturnersrevenge.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">chris chambers</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4472481" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472481" class="dsq-comment-message">Usually on this blog folks are pilloried if they don\'t sip a little Kool Aide. NO ONE can defend this. As I said on fN, Barack is bending over backwards for these people, and will get nothing for it.<br>I think of the words of "Dathan" in The Ten Commandments flick: "What do you think of your Deliverer [Moses] now?"<br>It\'s stuff like this that makes me glad I\'m talking about repentent porn stars on my blog; politics is coarser...</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-4472842" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-4472842" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-4472842">Myth</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-4472842" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-4472842" class="dsq-comment-message">Hell NO. Obama is just about ready to get his black card revoked!</div>\
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})();

// also used in embed_thread.js:
window.fbIsReady = function () {return window.FB && FB.init;};
// NOTE: This script gets executed again without threadEl
//       set when we are loaded again as the fbc_receiver.
//       In this case, we don't need the hidden container.

if(!window.FB || !FB.init) {
	if(window.Dsq && Dsq.container) {
		// container is not present when init.js is loaded from an xd-receiver iframe; in this case,
		// we don't need the FB_HiddenContainer anyway.
		var fbDiv = document.createElement('div');
		fbDiv.id = "FB_HiddenContainer";	// Required or else FeatureLoader will execute a document.write.
		fbDiv.style.position = 'absolute';	// This is intentionally not setting display to none as this breaks
		fbDiv.style.top = '-10000px';		// Flash in Safari.
		fbDiv.style.left = '-10000px';
		fbDiv.style.width = '0px';
		fbDiv.style.height = '0px';
		Dsq.container.appendChild(fbDiv);
	}
	var fbJS = document.createElement('script');
	fbJS.type = "text/javascript";
	fbJS.src = "http://static.ak.connect.facebook.com/js/api_lib/v0.4/FeatureLoader.js.php";
	document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(fbJS);

	ExecuteWhen.add(window.fbIsReady,
		function () {
			// HACK: This is a workaround FBC's single domain limitation by
			//		 allowing sites to create multiple forums with different
			//		 Facebook API keys.  This must be used in conjunction with
			//		 disqus_facebook_forum (see authenticateFacebook).
			var facebook_api_key = 'bd6a8bc56f8eb204984f34b6fefe228d';
			if (typeof disqus_facebook_api_key != 'undefined') {
				facebook_api_key = disqus_facebook_api_key;
			}

			FB.init(facebook_api_key, window.facebookXdReceiverPath || null,
				{fetchSignedPublicSessionData: true});
		});
}


	


if(typeof(disqus_callback) == 'function') {
	var callback_params = Dsq.Utils.getRequestParams()['dsq_cbp'] || null;

	// We don't care about any errors in third-party code
	try {
		disqus_callback(callback_params);
	} catch (x) {
		if (typeof(console) != 'undefined' && typeof(console.log) == 'function') {
			// But it would be nice to let developers know about them
			console.log(x);
		}
		// pass
	}

	// HACK: We don't know if the callback wraps our container, which may
	// possibly result in a new DOM element.
	Dsq.container = document.getElementById('dsq-content');
}

})();




