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When I worked in child welfare and juvenile justice, we were always on parents about taking care of a child's financial needs, far less so about meeting the child's emotional needs and the needs for time and connection with loving adults.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_22:27:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "bigassbelle", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 861107, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859173": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "taritac, I agree that white people use that speech as a \"good for him\" kinda thing.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:52:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "kate03", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859179": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "If you take into the account that the venue was predominetly black and he mentions African American once and Black once in his speech then yes you can simplify it and say he was only speaking to blacks but if you listen to the speech or read the worlds everything in the speech could apply to any father who needs to better.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:53:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "pjamma", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 859118, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859186": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Exactly. Jesse sees Obama's comments like I do, as a dog whistle to White people. He knows Obama didn't say that stuff for our benefit. He said it to solidify his standing with White people.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:53:58", "killed": false, "user_key": "taritac", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 859132, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859201": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I think Black and White people can come together on the economy, healthcare, education, foreign policy  and what movie to see this weekend.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:55:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "pjamma", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 859103, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858704": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "the issue is simple. rev. jesse jackson fathered a child with a woman other than his wife while he was married. <br><br>obama said brothers got to man up on the fatherhood issue. rev. jackson whispers he wants to cut obama's testicles. a hit dog will holler. a scared dog will whisper. jesse wanted to be the first black president. still does. <br><br>like many, many long time black politicians, rev. is mad cause, from their point of view, obama not only jumped to the head of the line, when they think he should have waited his turn, but obama looks like he is going to win. <br><br>rev. took obama's speech as a personal critique. it's plain as day even though many people are acting like that's not the subtext when clearly it is. read jesse jackson jr.'s response again. this is not only a generational debate, not only hurt feelings by the old guard, but also a very personal expose of our public failed black manhood in terms of fatherhood. sure there are many of us who are living up to our responsibility but we're not the ones hollering (or whispering) mad at obama! stop, jesse, stop. your race is over. let's move on.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:00:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "kalamu", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 5, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "875090": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "From Blacks4Barack:<br>MUST READ: New Article !<br><br>Is This Why Jesse Hates Obama ?<br>An Open Letter From Najee Ali<br><br>EXCERPT: \u201cOver the years I have had the pleasure to spend several holidays with your daughter including Christmas, her birthday parties and other milestones in her life. I will never turn my back on Ashley her mom and their family. <br><br>Your daughter has never traveled or taken a trip with you, you have an annual birthday party in Beverly Hills every year\u2026\u201d <br><br>To read FULL LETTER VISIT:<br><a href=\"http://www.Blacks4Barack.org\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.Blacks4Barack.org</a><br>A Multi-Racial, Net/Grassroots org\u2026Dedicated To Truth !<br><br>Obama news updates, photos, Celebs 4 Obama, volunteer info, videos, voter registration, Create-Your-Own Obama Logo (FREE), SpeakOut4Obama, Join B4B, Media Lies of the Week and Much More ! <br><br>p.s. Also, see B4B\u2019s Official Obama Hater Watch", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-12_12:43:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "69a9cd5fced707c0810475b046bc7d12", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "861268": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "How do you think we \"create space\" for this discussion? There are many parents who are focussed (understandably) on just getting dinner on the table?  But right now I'm talking about the families who have dinner set, and the issue is disengaged parenting,  emotional unavailability ,and/or sexist notions of parenting that limit our own success...<br><br>I'm up for a brainstorm.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_22:38:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "evita", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 861202, "depth": 4, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "860763": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I have thought about the topic of the Black Family a lot. Not only because I have many close and dear to me who experiences those challenges that define the African American experience in this country, but also its impact on how the issue is perceived from a policy perspective and then reflected as a  \"value system.\" <br><br>One issue as I see it has to do with the challenge of wanting to live up to an American dream and experiencing life chasing an ideal that may not be within reach. In this way I mean nuclear family, job that pays more than enough so as to not stress out, housing arrangements that reflect your maturity and nourish your safety both physical and mental. Poverty, and the experience of disproportionality  among African American poses an immense hurdle. The stress of not living up to an ideal is challenge and has lasting impact that span relationshps. I am NOT saying it is a worthy excuse. I'm just trying to highlight the notion of an ideal.<br><br>Taking this idea further the role of the father in American society is idealized and reminiscent of a time that was oppressive to women and families, but this sexism ALSO affected men. Sexism has limited the ways that men are valued. For generations, the man was the hunter and the mother was the gatherer/ nurturer. In a society where sexism arguably has solidified the disenfranchisement of Black men (seeing as there more Black men in jail than enrolled in college,) it is clear that the ideal is not within reach for most Black men. Fast forward... if you cannot provide financially which is what most people see as the PRIMARY role of the father, any other contribution (time for example,) is not as valued and downright emasculating.<br><br>Another aspect  I think we often don't think about is the notion that many people are at a loss for mentoring relationships. This goes WAY beyond a role model. Bill Cosby can be a symbol but he wasn't ever there to encourage black men and women to consider the larger picture. What do you say to repair trust issues after a hurtful break up? What can men say to acknowledge they feel bad for not being able to contribute as much as they would like, but want a relationship anyway? Who can help young men (teen dads,) with defining manhood as the willingness to learn to brain your little girl's hair?<br><br>I know babies need to eat and that takes money, and I also know that you can't get blood from a stone...  If there is no money to give, how valued is just help walking the child home from school? The courts have reinforced this notion, for example withdrawing visitation if a father cannot pay child support.  There's an awesome book, a sociological study, called What It Means to be Daddy: Fatherhood for Black Men Living Away from Their Children (Jennifer Hamer)   that speaks to the issue I raised. <br><br>I think its worthwhile to raise the issue across the dinner tables... <br><br>That said, its time to rearticulate the \"problem\" by acknowledging that we are beefin' about symptoms that are embedded in both racism and sexism.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_21:35:07", "killed": false, "user_key": "evita", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 8, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "860256": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "B<br><br>I really appreciate this post.  There really is no right or wrong here just different perceptions.<br><br>I have a hard time wrapping my mind around this because as someone said here before, it's not just a black problem, if you crunch the numbers there are probably more absentee white dads than blacks as they are a much larger population.  I understand that the problem though affects  us is disproportionate (sp) numbers.<br><br>I would really like the label taken away because it is a people problem.  Responsibility though is either taught by parents or learned by the receptive.  What to do?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_20:23:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "msmartin", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858727": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Great piece by Jack White over at the Root, \"When the Man Is One of Us\"  <a href=\"http://www.theroot.com/id/47225\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.theroot.com/id/47225</a><br><br>Money quote: \"We are simply not accustomed to one of our own playing real, power politics. \"  I think this speaks to some black folks and white liberals alike.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:02:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "4fd3ca416b455e03c3fa02c8bc744eb4", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "860268": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<i>for those of us who've paid attention to Barack for more than a minute, we know this.</i><br><br>Paying close and careful attention (or not) is a big issue in all of this, IMO.<br><br>I just posted a comment in another thread here (I think it's another thread) that I think may be echoing your persistent focus on paying attention to where he's actually comig from.  I linked to another comment I wrote earlier  this week on someone else's diary on teh Kos, and I am going to link it here also (I already have it all dolled up as an embedded link anyway):<br><br><a href=\"http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/7/5/141534/5991/485#c485\" rel=\"nofollow\">\"How do you know what you know?\"</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_20:24:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ec3c0272b87ba5c8ce3a9168cf4e78a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 860031, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "860781": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "And, msmartin, if this is the case, then I have to give some of the credit to the two Jesses, Sr. and Jr.<br><br>They ain't no dummies.<br><br>As pissed and disappointed as I was with Jessie, Sr.'s 'love child' affair,  I do admire the positions that he has advocated on myriad issues.  That said, he, like most African American leadership, did piss-poorly on the issue of Haiti, and the US sponsored attack on democracy in that nation.  Serial imperialism--where white supremacy is focused in a vile paternalistic manner for, literally, hundreds of years.<br><br>Sorry for the off-topic--I like Jesse very much, but he is, indeed, a politician.<br><br>By the way, yesterday I did some internet research on Nina Simone.  Incredible human being--smart, sassy, pissed off, and an artist that has few comparisons. <br><br>Some of the best folks they do their best to submerge from the forefront of our awareness.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_21:36:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "113b8b42f25d4b142e2e7f99aded9a96", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859248": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": ";)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_18:01:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "taritac", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 859201, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858225": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Of course, personal responsibility, community action, and government action are not mutually exclusive. But that goes for everyone and every issue in the country. If Obama wants to talk about fatherhood, he needs to address it to everyone instead of perpetuating an already negative perception others have. Black people have made tremendous strides under incredibly adverse situations, but we still are lectured and patronized by people who ought to know better. We've gotten these same damn lectures for 30-odd years with little to no effect other than to paint us all with the same brush.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_16:12:34", "killed": false, "user_key": "taritac", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "860796": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I understand exactly what you are saying--If you're white you're alright.<br>But on the other hand, elite whites  could care less about the white poor.<br>That is why no white President, Senator, Congress person, or any other<br>person of leadership ever speaks of this.    You see how they refer to them<br>as ethnic whites and distance themselves from them.  The white poor are only considered to be white when their votes are needed.<br>votes are needed", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_21:38:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "jelana", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 858563, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "865920": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Don't worry folks \"John McCain\" cares about your needs. Once McCain becomes president he and all the republicans will finaly starting addressing the issues that effect us.<br><br> Unlike Obama, McCain will make sure to never mention any problems hurting the Black community. McCain knows such talk will embarass the Black Community and that should never happen. The best thing to do is for Obama to shut his mouth and ignore all Black issues. Just like Whites have been doing for years.<br><br>Vote McCain 08", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_12:16:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "200f26fc2c716a0708ead00f1011686e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "867971": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "A mother and father is \"outdated\"??<br><br>Good gawd.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_14:55:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "RonnieB", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 866763, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859273": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "when we still live in a world where a white ex-con has a better chance of getting a job than a black high school graduate, there's something really wrong with that world.<br><br>all families have been in trouble for some time now, with the divorce rate edging 50% in a lot of places. that's a fact.<br><br>we have had a welfare system for 60-70 years now that discourages two-parent families. in order to collect benefits in most states, the parents of a child can't be living together. <br><br>if, because of a lack of opportunity, institutionalized discrimination, and a criminal justice system that's heavily weighted toward locking up young african american men as soon as possible, if it's almost overwhelmingly difficult to keep it together and provide for a family and the only HELP available requires the destruction of that family unit, isn't that pretty fucked up?<br><br>i am not excusing anything or absolving anyone of taking personal responsibility. one of the greatest factors that i observed in 16 years of child welfare and juvenile justice work was drug/alcohol addiction or abuse and the effects of that are so widespread and sometimes subtle, it's hard to get a grip on it.  but there again, if someone WANTS to deal with the problem, and there's no cost effective treatment available, isn't that pretty fucked up?<br><br>it seems ilke there's also a crazy kind of support among some folks that glorifes rampant male sexuality and looks upon the production of children as evidence of manhood. that needs to change and public shaming might be a good start.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_18:06:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "bigassbelle", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859788": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Most definitely!", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_19:13:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "Sepia", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 858704, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "863897": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I agree that the sexism dynamic does affect other groups, including whites however,  I believe the issue is compounded when we factor in class and race issues affected Black men. I know we can agree that Black men of a particular class status (though not exclusively) are under attack and have been since the 80s in unprecedented and incomparable ways.  And this is JJill.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_09:31:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "evita", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 863578, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "863403": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You're right.  Girls bear equal responsibility here.  <br><br>You're also right that a critical part of our community is a mess, and we've got to get to work.  The first thing to do is to openly and honestly acknowledge that there's a problem.  <br><br>For the last 3 decades, we've treated this issue as dirty laundry not to be aired in the presence of Whites and others.  The reality, though, is that Whites and others are well aware of the issue; privately criticize us for not admitting it; and privately criticize us for doing little to fix it.  There's an entire argument that can be made about White people's hypocrisy in this regard--and I will make that in a separate post.<br><br>For now, though, the problem seems to be ours to solve.  And if the statistics are anywhere near accurate--70% of Black kids born out of wedlock??--we got work to do.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_08:24:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "RonnieB", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 861120, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859322": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "kalamu:  Mine 2.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_18:12:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "GreenLadyHere", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 859086, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858827": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "When <b>wanting</b> to be a father to your child is no longer an instinctive human trait, but a social decision based upon nuanced criteria ...<br><br>then we got some serious cultural problems, y'all.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:13:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "RonnieB", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858829": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "taritac wrote, \"If Obama wants to talk about fatherhood, he needs to address it to everyone instead of perpetuating an already negative perception others have.\"<br><br>Everybody else doesn't have a 69% illegitimacy rate.  Blacks have special situations, and not all of those situations are somebody else's fault.  We need to get it together, and we have not gotten it together by keeping it on the low low.  69% illegitimacy rate should always be unacceptable.  Black men *and* black women are at fault, here.<br><br>My understanding of Jesse's 'cut his nuts off' comment was that he was mad that Obama asked black people -- specifically, black men -- to take responsibility for their actions, when society doesn't give options that allow black men to make better moral choices.  That's how I understood Jesse's explanation.    I think we need to move away from that. Yes, acknowledge the sins of culture, but also strive NOT to allow that to be the final answer -- because that becomes an excuse, and instead of trying to fight the system, we got too many brothers *and* sisters saying 'why should I try in the first place?'<br><br>My own question is, why is black fatherhood raising so much of a ruckus.... and not black (alleged) refusal to deal with black community hyprocisy towards AIDS and gays and STDs and sex in general?  Everything Obama is doing and saying is consistent, and they ALL tie together.  But suddenly Obama is 'bad news' for putting black men on blast for not taking care of their responsibilities to that tune of 69% illegitimacy rate.  A number which includes Jesse Jackson and Bill Cosby themselves, for hitting their mistresses raw (NASTY!) and then for Jesse embezzling money to pay her off and her spawn off.<br><br>I think black folk need to grow up and accept the water splashed in the face. And those black men who are offended, need to look in the mirror.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:13:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "735a3659b98d4c0e40e78d40d7ee34da", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858831": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You're onto something there.  Was it Jesse jr's mother that Jesse sr. cheated on?  I guess Jesse might have been personally embarrassed by what Obama said.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:13:25", "killed": false, "user_key": "Sombody_took_my_username", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 858704, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858832": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Wow, I don't see this from Jesse at all. Jack White, referenced by NMP, says pretty much the same thing you do, but I totally disagree. I haven't seen any sort of resentment from Jesse. His actions and words have been nothing but supportive of Barack. <br><br>It's strange that White pits Obama as being \"The Man,\" but criticizes Jesse for disagreeing with Obama. I don't care what color \"The Man\" who unfairly stereotypes us is, quite frankly, and Jesse wasn't pulling a Tavis Smiley-type, public hissy fit about Obama not cow-towing to him. He was expressing dismay in what he thought were off-the-record comments.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:13:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "taritac", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 858704, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858836": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "A Black male <i>Washington Times</i> reporter said as much just a few hours ago on MSNBC.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:13:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "CraigHickman", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 858704, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859865": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I don't give a fcuk how broke I become; how divorced I am; or how complex society is ... I'm still going to <b>want</b> to be my kids' father.  And if I <b>want</b> to be my kids' father, my actions will reflect it.<br><br>Damn the excuses.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_19:27:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "RonnieB", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858844": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Is is really an instinctive, human trait though?  I know there are chemicals involved in bonding a woman to her child...but can the same be said for men?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:14:40", "killed": false, "user_key": "Sombody_took_my_username", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 858827, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "864479": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Where were all these people crying about Obama talking down to black people when Bill Cosby was going on white talk show after white talk show to come down on black people?", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_10:27:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "Town", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 860031, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "870627": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Seems to me, that most <i>African</i>-Americans want their \"cake and eat it\" to...separately, and then expect to get any other cake in the vicinity...so to speak.<br><br>I must admit, that I find Obama's approach interesting, i.e. to point out the multipliers of the results of \u201cmissing\u201d or the inactions of <b>any</b> fathers, e.g. \"five time\", \"nine times\", and \"TWENTY times\". The denial, sensitivity, defensive, and \"Tender Sensibilities\" habits need to be broken, e.g. Dallas County's Commissioner John Wiley Price and Judge Thomas Jones getting upset over the use of \u201cblack hole\u201d by a white Commissioner. Sheesh!", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_18:46:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "Karmi", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 863469, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "860900": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "evita, nice comments.  I concur.<br><br>We also live in a corporate media culture that perpetuates stereotypes in very hurtful ways.<br><br>To me, Cosby, wanted desparately for all African Americans to personify the upper middle class lifestyle of his ideal television family--while eliding history and contexts.<br><br>When he chastised black folks giving their kids African names it really creeped me out, big time.   This signaled to me that he tends to embrace a type of Uncle Tomism, the type that is joined with the ideal of the family as defined by a white supremacist culture that is rendered almost invisible by its sheer ubiquity, the 24/7 corporate media culture where the stories of the upper middle class and white are given preference over other, equally legit and valid narratives. <br><br>The sound-bite media culture makes near impossible the deeper discussions and solidarity that is necessary to think-through and address problems that are critical to many communities.<br><br>When they off-shore jobs from already profitable companies to the third world, and the minimum wage doesn't keep pace with living expenses--and as companies slash health benefits and pensiions--this is the context that is missing from discussion of 'responsibility' in the larger public discourse through which Obama must compete for his goal of belng elected president.<br><br>Indeed, as many young folks know, the deck is stacked against 'the people'.  <br><br>Now it comes down to what folks do about it. <br><br>Watching television is NOT the answer--this subtle brainwashing is part of the problem.<br><br>Organize the community!<br><br>Side note: one of the Angola three has a chance of getting out of prison--why is this not being discussed?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_21:49:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "113b8b42f25d4b142e2e7f99aded9a96", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858859": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "B-Serious I posted the statistics in other threads so this may seem repetitive:<br><br>The nation's out-of-wedlock birth rate is 38%. Among white children, 28% are now born to a single mother; among Hispanic children it is 50% and reaches a chilling, disorienting peak of 71% for black children. According to the National Center for Health Statistics, nearly a quarter of America's white children (22%) do not have any male in their homes; nearly a third (31%) of Hispanic children and over half of black children (56%) are fatherless.<br><br>This represents a dramatic shift in American life. In the early 1960s, only 2.3% of white children and 24% of black children were born to a single mom. <br><br><br>Rhondacoca posted a  link to a Newsweek article in the LOL..thread  that asserts that just because the man is not physically  in the home he could still be a great father.  There is some truth to this, however the statistics on this group is hard to determine.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:16:12", "killed": false, "user_key": "pjamma", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "860908": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "<i>and I also know that you can't get blood from a stone... If there is no money to give, how valued is just help walking the child home from school? </i><br><br>Evita, that brought tears to my eyes. It's so easy to forget what being a real daddy is about. It's love and relationship and affection, no matter how hard the times. <br><br>And you've absolutely nailed it when you speak to the double-edged sexism that plays into this. Men are still primarily valued for what they financially contribute to a family. <br><br>And heaven forbid I make excuses, but when the world is set up to value men as the breadwinner, with the <i>bread</i> being the main thing, then the way that bread is earned is secondary. Coupled with the societal issues that truly do discount African American men AND the devastating loss of unions since Reagan, it's very difficult for many young men to provide through legitimate means.<br><br>IT'S NOT AN EXCUSE if it's reality. And the reality doesn't mean that it's okay to do nothing. Sometimes it's lifechanging to just admit <i>This is the way things are</i> and <i>This is what you have to deal with</i> and that's the way life is and let's be pissed off for a bit about that and fight it every way we can, then pick ourselves up and dust off and keep trying. <br><br>To not be allowed to talk about what's really happening in this society in terms of racial discrimination, because HEAVEN FORBID WE NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY!!! closes off that avenue of discussion and leaves every individual completely separate and alone and feeling unworthy and as if the fault lies solely within them.<br><br>Sorry, but that's a classic right wing talking point and it's been incredibly effective in this country in the last 28 years. You are a success or you are not, and if you it's because of what you did and if you are not it's because of what you didn't do. Parts of that are true, but it completely discounts the FACTS of living in this society, right now, the US of racist A.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_21:50:37", "killed": false, "user_key": "bigassbelle", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 5, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 860763, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "863469": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Having stated earlier that the problem of absent Black fathers is ours to confess and repair, Whites and others who criticize us are quite the hypocrites for doing so.  <br><br>We've all heard the constant criticism by Whites for our referring to ourselves as <i>African</i> Americans instead of just Americans.  But if we're all Americans, why is it that White and others view crime, poverty and absent fathers as a \"Black\" problem that we Black folk need to solve on our own?  If we all \"one America\", then it seems to me that America has a problem that all Americans have vested interest to solve.<br><br>White folks, your thoughts?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_08:35:34", "killed": false, "user_key": "RonnieB", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858862": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<i>A number which includes Jesse Jackson and Bill Cosby themselves, for hitting their mistresses raw (NASTY!) and then for Jesse embezzling money to pay her off and her spawn off.</i><br><br>::<br><br>No you didn't say raw.  ;)<br><br>What was TruthSpeaker saying about birth control? Safer sex education as PRACTICE not rhetoric?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:16:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "CraigHickman", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 858829, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858865": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I could accept your comments that we need to \"accept the water splashed in the face,\" if this were the first time these thoughts had been expressed. <br><br>Furthermore, we've said time and again that Obama is not the president of Black America. If he wants to lecture White people about their divorce rate or their drinking or their racism or their meth use, then maybe there is an argument that Obama can lecture Blacks. I don't appreciate our people being used to score political points.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:16:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "taritac", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 858829, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859385": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I noticed the stats someone put on this board, but we have failed to recognize a few issues:<br>1) How accurate are the stats when in the sixties if an unwed girl got pregnant it was kept a secret and the child was adopted.  I would be really interested to find out how many white children lived in orphanages during the sixties.  I am sure if the truth was told that number would be higher.  <br>2) Just because you have a father in the home is not a guarantee that you have a positive environment.  We all know that spousal abuse is at a all-time high. <br>3) All of the numbers are unacceptable when it comes to children born out of wedlock or without a father.  Remove the percentages and give me actual numbers.  <br>4) And, how does Mr. Obama really believe his speech that their is only one America and not a red and blue, when he chooses to give speeches that he is pointing that finger at one specific group when it's an American issue?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_18:20:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "9453746cf3e9cab35689164f6b83d2b8", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "865530": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Obama mentioned numbers, and also pointed to the serious problems, repercussions, and results from such\u2026like \u2013 \u201cthat children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of schools and TWENTY times more likely to end up in prison.\u201d (BOLD added) <br><br>Let's be clear.  Poverty is mean and vicious.  Having a father in the home is not the be all and end all solution.  It takes more than just having a father in the home if he is unemployed, undereducated, and lacks real opportunity.  That is the issue at hand.  People continue to throw these stats out, which don't mean anything at this point.  We knew over forty years ago that this country was moving into this direction.  And, when Barack starts using these stats and presenting his situtation as similiar to Black children in the inner city--it's a joke.  First, his mother had a support system.  She had two White parents.  Secondly, he grew up fairly middle-class and seemed to lacked for very little. Check out his schooling in Hiawai. He lived in a insulated bubble, and I am not sure how much understanding and compassion he has for the situation.  He can chant I was a community organizer, but I have met several shrewd and self-centered organizers (White and Black) in Chicago.  These folks are in the game for themselves and could careless about anyone else.  I am not sure where Obama fits in, but my gut is telling me to be aware.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_11:46:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "9453746cf3e9cab35689164f6b83d2b8", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "860932": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Watching television makes the problem worse. It reinforces this incredibly shallow and destructive consumer - entertainment culture we live in. I know people who are more involved with the lives of celebrities they've never met than they are with their own children.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_21:53:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "bigassbelle", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "865581": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "That is so true.  Money and power will make some folks say some crazy things.  And, Jesse Jr. looked foolish.  I might disagree with my mother or father, but I am not going stand in front of the entire world and diss my parent.  Just not.  My love for my parent overrides anything else.  I hate to say this, but if it was not for Jesse Sr. than Jessie Jr. would not be in the place he stands today.  I would kill to have the name of Jessie Jackson Jr. and the opportunities this guy has enjoyed because of his father's work.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_11:51:07", "killed": false, "user_key": "9453746cf3e9cab35689164f6b83d2b8", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 863710, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "861458": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think it is his intent. And I have been paying attention to him for more than a minute.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_23:08:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "taritac", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 860007, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "860435": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "\"On topic: I wouldn't be surprised if this whole dust-up was planned by Jesse and Barack. If so, this is masterful politics.\"<br><br><br>I think that's exactly what happened.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_20:51:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "msmartin", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 860398, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "879892": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Obama 'Won't Back Off One Bit' on His Tough-Love Message<br>Email<br>Share<br><br>July 13, 2008 9:43 AM<br><br>ABC News' Sunlen Miller reports: Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., says that he won\u2019t back down on his \u201ctough love\u201d message to African Americans -\u2013 a subject that prompted Jesse Jackson's angry open-mic gaffe this past week.<br><br>Obama told reporters aboard his plane to San Diego that Americans need to recognize that there is a problem when more than a half of African American children are growing up without a father in the house.<br><br>\u201cThat is a problem and I won\u2019t back up one bit in asserting that that\u2019s a problem that we have to be honest about,\" he said.<br><br>Obama\u2019s tough love message to African American fathers came most notably in a Fathers Day speech last month in which he told fathers that \u201cany ol' fool\u201d could conceive a child \u2013- but it takes a man to be father.<br><br>Many, including Jesse Jackson, took issue with the speech, and the manner in which Obama spoke to his audience. This week, Jackson sparked a controversy when Fox News Channel released a video in which Jackson was caught with a hot mic saying that Obama was \u201ctalking down to black people.\u201d<br><br>Obama confirmed that Jackson\u2019s feelings were well known to him before the tape was released \u2013- communicated to him from Jackson himself.<br><br>\u201cI had spoken to him before, a few days before what he said was released,\" Obama said, \"and we had actually discussed some of the concerns he had raised about my fatherhood speech.\u201d<br><br>Obama said that he told Jackson be believes that there are structural inequalities in the country that have to be dealt with.<br><br>\u201cMy argument is simply that it\u2019s not an 'either-or' proposition, it\u2019s a 'both-and' proposition,\" Obama said. \"The government and society as a whole has an obligation to deal with poverty, particularly poverty that\u2019s deep-rooted not just in the inner cities, but in rural communities all across America.\u201d<br><br>Obama said his conversation with Jackson was not met with a lot of open resistance on the other end of the phone.<br><br>\u201cIn my conversation, I think it would be hard for him to disagree with that since many of the things I have said are the things that he has said in the past,\u201d Obama said.<br><br>The presumptive Democratic nominee has since accepted Jackson\u2019s apology for his remarks, but confirmed they have not spoken since the controversial tapes of Jackson were released.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-13_11:42:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "9453746cf3e9cab35689164f6b83d2b8", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858902": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Show me where lecturing a group of people has any effect on any of the issues you mentioned.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:20:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "taritac", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 858859, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "861678": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Disengagement, absolutely. And one way to create space is something I've heard Obama talk about, and that's to shut off the television.<br><br>Where did I hear that?? Anyone?<br><br>I am convinced that a whole lot of our social problems today stem from the obsession with media and television and constant screen-related entertainment. <br><br>This is as good a summary as I could come up with:<br><br><a href=\"http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003696397_tvee07.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationwor...</a><br><br>Telling, I think, is the reason most often given for giving pre-school children their own televisions, because the parents and siblings want to watch their own stuff. Talk about disengaged!<br><br>A national campaign to get people to shut off the television would be welcome and I think it could impact a lot of things from school performance to delinquency.<br><br>I expect any such campaign would come smack up against the corporatocracy, which is heavily invested in marketing to youth. Getting Channel One out of the schools would be a great idea too. It increases the urge to consume and it decreases empathy. How messed up is that? <br><br>Limited television. More adult interaction. But of course you have to have real grownups who are interested in bettering themselves.<br><br>Too easy to numb out in front of the tube to escape. And that brings up the need to escape a life of hopelessness and limited opportunity, so it's kind of a vicious circle.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_23:48:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "bigassbelle", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 861268, "depth": 5, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859424": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Did he mention white or any other ethnicity, if not, once for black was too much!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_18:24:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "msmartin", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 859086, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "860973": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "And one more thing, because this topic really gets under my skin: Our society is dreadfully sick with the cult of wealth and celebrity. We admire those who <i>have</i>, without even knowing who they are or what they stand for. We look at the cars and clothes and jewels of celebrities and believe that if we just own those same cars and clothes and jewels we'll somehow be like them, we'll somehow be better than we are or were born to be. It's insane how trivialized our public discourse has become. Instead of looking to one another for relationship and community, we look to the stars and emulate their lives, identify with people we've never met, with singers or movie stars or sports figures. <br><br>And it's not just kids, it's adults. Too many, too shallow, to meaningless an existence when there is so much work to be done trying to reclaim our nation, to come together to save ourselves. <br><br>We buy the advertising and the \"lifestyle\" and all of the bullshit that goes along with believing we are what we buy. And meanwhile the debt increases and the work hours grow longer and in the end, it's an empty, miserable, soulless existence waiting for the next fix of glitz, of glamour. Lord help us. Sorry for the rant.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_21:57:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "bigassbelle", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859444": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<i> Remove the percentages and give me actual numbers. </i><br><br>Or you can apply the percentages to the number of babies in each group born in 2007, the year the data was based on.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_18:26:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "pjamma", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858943": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "TruthSeeker wrote, \"  When Ahmadinejad says Israel is a stinking corpse....trashtalk. When Jesse says he wants to cut off Obama's nuts, it's trashtalk.\"<br><br>I don't know.  Israel and Iran are mortal enemies.<br><br>Jesse should never be the mortal enemy of Obama.  Maybe it is a 'white men can't jump' situation, instead, where Jesse and Obama are hustling fools by only pretending... but it doesn't feel like it.  I think Kalamu is onto something personal regarding Jesse' crab-barreling.  I hope it doesn't have anything to do with white supporters and Jesse and Obama.<br><br>And RonnieB, you're right.  But what's the fix?  How to make marriage and family planning attractive (again)?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:24:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "735a3659b98d4c0e40e78d40d7ee34da", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859461": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Point taken.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_18:28:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "pjamma", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 859424, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858446": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I've been nibbling at the edges of this issue for a couple weeks now, not really getting to the root of what bothers me about it. <br><br>I think the thing is, that when blacks are associated with an issue like fatherlessnes, there's the implication that there's something inherent or unique about blacks that makes them poor fathers.  The implication is that we are operating on an even playing field, and that if blacks can't make it work, then there must be something wrong with us, genetically.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_16:34:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "Sombody_took_my_username", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "861008": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "And then we freak out and can't <i>imagine</i> what got into those kids to steal that, to sell that, to do whatever they had to do to get the stuff we worship, the trappings of the wealth we hold up as the pinnacle of achievement of human life. <br><br>What the hell are people supposed to do? We set out this example ~ strive for this, for riches, for jewels, for cars and women and clothes and whatever because that makes you a man, makes you important ~ yet it's impossible for folks to get by legitimate means. We don't emphasize education, we emphasize wealth. Whatever it takes. The more money, the better. We glorify criminals if they're wealthy. We let white collar crimes go unpunished, hell we have a white house full of criminals and nothing happens to them. And they are rich. And they have the lifestyle. And they are famous. And what kind of a freaking message is that????? Oh, I need to hush up.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_22:01:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "bigassbelle", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 860973, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "886614": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Yes, I agree fully with what you are saying.  We have given Obama a free pass to run a mock over our community.  His job is to review and create policy.  I have yet to hear him speak critically of all the illegal aliens running over the border into this country.  He couches his talks on this subject within policy.  Now for some reason, Black folks are allowing him to say and do anything towards our own community.   Yes, we have a problem with unwed pregnancies, but from where I stand it's an issue across the board for all Americans.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-14_10:03:19", "killed": false, "user_key": "6e9f94e28e2f12c76930cfb60522ed86", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 871317, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "863578": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I would submit that American society constantly evolves.  In 3 short decades, we went from Ozzie and Harriet Nelson, to Cliff and Claire Huxtable.  And though the dynamics and roles of parenting evolves and changes, the <b>desire and duty</b> to be a parent always remains constant.   I realize that you were not offering an excuse for abdication of those duties; I just wanted to offer that toward the discussion.<br><br>If I may indulge the sexism dynamic.  If it's true that sexim indirectly affected Black men and their perceived value, then does it also hold true that sexism indirectly affected White men and their perceived value in society?  If so, then shouldn't we expect to see similar statistical trends in White fatherlessness?<br><br>I ask this while being mindful of the affects of racism and classism affecting Black men and women more than others.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_08:51:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "RonnieB", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 860763, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858971": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "moved...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:28:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "pjamma", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "869726": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I already have this great disgust for Jesse (and Al) so this recent \"blunder\" just adds to my list of reasons why those two get on my list nerve. An apology without merit is pointless in my opinion. <br><br>When will the rest of the nation understand that Jesse (and Al) do not speak for Black Americans?  These two are so far from the point and issues at hand that it seriously sickens me that they have the platforms that that do to speak their nonsense.<br><br>I don't expect anything out of Jesse (and Al) and wish they would go ahead and pack up their glad rags and retire from ever speaking in public. They put the Black race behind 5-10 years every time they speak.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_17:10:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "Tish", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "863072": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "B-Serious\u2026great post.<br><br>Nita mentioned - \"69% illegitimacy rate\" and/or 7 out of 10. Pjamma added \u2013 \u201c(56%) are fatherless.\u201d <br><br>Obama mentioned numbers, and also pointed to the serious problems, repercussions, and results from such\u2026like  \u2013 \u201cthat children who grow up without a father are <b>five times</b> more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; <b>nine times</b> more likely to drop out of schools and <b>TWENTY</b> times more likely to end up in prison.\u201d (BOLD added) <br><br>I lost count of how many times the word \u201cwhite\u201d (Jack White not included) was used in this thread. The numbers, percentages, and <b>RESULTS</b> are not going to be solved by <i>\u2018Pointing Fingers of Guilt\u2019</i> at whites or the government, in the usual Jesse\u2019s or Al\u2019s fashion.<br><br>Raising kids ain\u2019t easy, but personal responsibility has to start someplace, and that someplace is \u201cMom and Dad.\u201d The Democrats\u2019 themes of \u2013 \u201cIt Take a Village\u201d and\u2026\u201c<b><i>From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!</i></b>\u201d have already been tried by the former Soviet Union, Cuba, Red China, etc. and have proven unworkable. Socialist Europe is the next one to learn that lesson.<br><br>As to your question: The statistics look right. However, the \u201cvillage\u201d mentality of \u201c<b>WE</b>\u201d and \u201c<b>OUR</b>\u201d seems unworkable, especially without individual responsibility leading the way.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_07:06:02", "killed": false, "user_key": "Karmi", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "860007": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "But that's not Barack's intent and anyone who has paid any attention to him for more than a minute knows it.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_19:47:17", "killed": false, "user_key": "CraigHickman", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 858865, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859500": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I wonder if the numbers for each group would be more close to each other if we added in total number of abortions?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_18:34:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "kate03", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "865653": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Ronnie,<br><br>You know the answer to this question.  And, this is the issue at hand and why folks are calling Obama on the carpet.  He using this tactic to validate his own Whiteness.  Yes, this might be a problem, but it's a problem facing all communities.  We just happened to have more people in poverty, which pushes our numbers higher.  Also, we have now heard this myth of the missing Black father for over a quarter of a century or more.  One night I literally counted how many of my chilhood friends lacked a father in the home.  Guess how many? <br>I only had two close friends with missing fathers.  The majority had fathers in the home.  The small few who lacked a father in the home knew their father and had a relationship with him.  I am now 40, so I decided to look at my nephew and nieces friends.  The majority of their friends had a father in the home or had a relationship with their fafher.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_11:57:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "9453746cf3e9cab35689164f6b83d2b8", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 863469, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "860031": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "No one is saying that personal responsibility is not essential to quality of life, but Obama's dog whistling totally lets America off the hook for persistent racism.<br><br>::<br><br>No it doesn't. For one, Barack's not dog whistling. He's speaking explicitly and  bluntly. And two, Barack hasn't let American off the hook for her persistent racism.<br><br>Again, for those of us who've paid attention to Barack for more than a minute, we know this.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_19:49:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "CraigHickman", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 859586, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "860034": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Say it again.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_19:49:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "CraigHickman", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 859865, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859015": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I was responding to B-Serious' question to whether the statistics are true and if they are then what should or can we do about it/them. So I posted the statistics to set a base for the discussion.<br><br>I don't know how effective lecturing is on the group because I don't have access to any measured stats the reflect this.<br><br>Also, for me to evan want to research those stats I would have to believe someone was \"lecturing\" which I don't see as the case.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:33:08", "killed": false, "user_key": "pjamma", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 858902, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "880009": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I posted the link in another post from <a href=\"http://eurweb.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">eurweb.com</a> by Najee Ali, who puts out that he believes the 'rumor' that it was Jr. who busted his father to the National Enquirer. Don't know if it was true, but even the premise is deep. Greg Jones posted a link to the letter down below in this thread.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-13_12:09:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "rikyrah", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": true, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 863710, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859022": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "pjama, your stat's are interesting, but for me, they don't break down into other factors that might affect those statistics, such as the injustice system, or even child support payments that are taken by the state if a woman is receiving assistance.  I think more information is needed. <br>I am single mother,white, 2 children, and I am able to support myself today in a way that many woman would not have been able to in the 1960's. My grandfather was either absent or a burden, my grandmother was actually relieved when he died, it was less of a struggle without him.<br>I think Obama's message should not have been directed at only one group of people, esp. because it doesn't address the other factors that play into it, and also, because fatherhood and the failure of the woman's movement to include men is something that  needs a lot more attention.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:33:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "kate03", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 6, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "860909": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"No matter where on the political spectrum they fall\". That's a good point. I think P6 has it about right in this comment:<br><br>             \"But it seems like he's just showing concern because he is NOT doing what is necessary to convince the people he's talking ABOUT. He's doing fine with the people he's talking TO\". <br><br>It wasn't so much about Obama caring about see the people he was talking ABOUT do better as much as it was about looking better in the eyes of the people he was talking TO. And when you know he's fully aware of the effect of that kind of talk on the people he's talking to (tarring of all blacks with one brush) it's unacceptable. No, he's NOT running for President of Black America, and his success or failure is not mine. It's his. So there's no possible way that my critisizing him can be construed as me \"being afraid of success\".", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_21:50:38", "killed": false, "user_key": "fb67e13066281c4e22557d02eb57edda", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 859103, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "860048": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "If we're talking a 17-year-old <i>boy</i>, then maybe you're right.  He's likely not going to feel that strong desire to be his child's father.<br><br>A grown and emotionally developed <i>man</i> on the other hand ...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_19:52:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "RonnieB", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 858844, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "864661": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I wouldn't be suprised. Because if it wasn't JJ is an idiot. Inarticulate yes, idiot no?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_10:40:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "JJai", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 860435, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859036": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Kalamu:  AGREED!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:35:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "GreenLadyHere", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 858704, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "866719": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"As to your question: The statistics look right. However, the \u201cvillage\u201d mentality of \u201cWE\u201d and \u201cOUR\u201d seems unworkable, especially without individual responsibility leading the way.\"<br><br>Well, the thing is, WE really don't have a \"We\" and \"OUR\" attitude, as a practical matter. In fact, we're the only people who have allowed ourselves to be duped into not actually practicing a \"WE\" and \"OUR\" attitude. The world works on the principle of group competition. It's not that we don't know that, it's just that we're the only ones who have been convinced that it's wrong to want to be that way. Meanwhile, every other people in this country is SAYING it's wrong, but behaving otherwise. Kari is a white advocate, and every letter of every comment she types here represents her advocating for and competing on behalf of her people and her culture. Objectively, there's nothing wrong with that. We have to stop thinking that there's something wrong with US doing the same thing.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_13:16:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "90cc95288c380c759363353aaeef24de", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "860071": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Men tend to say things 'in the heat of the moment'. I have a daughter as a result of that..LOL! I wish someone had come to me sooner with some 'faith based initiative crap'. Life being as it is she is the light of my life and h*&* no its not been easy...<br>When I thought I wanted to terminate my pregnancy I was shown a very vived film on an actual abortion taking place. Plan Parenthood made a billion dollars last year and 115 million left over. This is tax payers money clinics cant get a decent grant from the government to save lives.....<br><br>Anyway. I agree with sexual education being taught very early BUT from the perspective that abstinence is the best way to protect yourself from diseases headache and heartaches. If a rubber can only protect from a disease and even thats not 100%.   My daughter is in her third year as a pre med student and still abstinent. I have open conversations with her (much to her embarrassment)she sees alot first hand working in a womens health clinic....<br><br>Single parenting is not easy, her dads family always knew where I was in case they wanted a relationship with her. That does not always work either. <br><br>Jessie Jackson is so irrelevant to the community now. He knew exactly what he was saying period. He apologized because he got caught is all.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_19:56:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "5a58cb34b92202e6e27e563bf5b71b01", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 858542, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858542": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I think what needs to happen first is birth control.<br><br>Condoms, condoms, condoms.  Access to all birth control methods and reproductive health care.  None of this faith-based abstinence crap.  Solid, scientifically based reproductive counselling/education starting at a fairly early age.<br><br>Of course, for that to happen there needs to be access to health care.  Free clinics with qualified counsellors and doctors.  Confidentiality.  Access to free birth control for those who can't afford to pay.<br><br>In addition, kids need to be taught financial planning in school and college.  They need to understand the realities of the cost of raising a family.  They need to know the consequences of child support payments and custody issues.<br><br>This would be a start in equipping young adults to talk about and take seriously the business of parenting.  They can then make decisions about whether they really want to become parents.  Men can be honest upfront about their willingness to take on the responsibility.<br><br>That would be a start.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_16:44:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "Sombody_took_my_username", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "861107": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I totally see your point Belle however taking responsibility is also raising our sons to be affectionate, nurturing, loving, and competent in areas that are generally regarded as feminine. I just hope we add this piece to discussion of what WE can do to positively contribute to the Black family/ community... Belle I would argue that there are many facts. The challenge is how we currently order them and its affect on us working together to raise a family.  <br><br>How would a woman feel if she was NOT the primary caregiver, and daddy was and she had to cut a check... You know the other side to the check issue is SOME men thinking if they pay the child support then they are absolved from other contributions (time, affection for the children, face time etc,) because they \"handled their responsibility.\" <br><br>I don't want to oversimplify the issues. This is nuanced and complex stuff. I'm just trying to highlight something I've been thinking about...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_22:12:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "evita", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 4, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 860908, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "861120": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Well said.  Part of the problem lies with the women also.  The women get pregnant<br>not understanding that the man has never told them that he wants them to be the mother of his children.  It is a lack of responsibility on both parents.  This is in a day and age where every conceivable method of birth control is readily available.  A lot of this is the result of babies having babies in the first place.  Children, most of the time  follow in their parents footsteps..  I agree with Truthseeker at the top of the page when she says this needs to be taught early.  However, the educational system is also in total disarray.  I watched a show on HBO about Douglass High School in Baltimore which completely depressed me.  When a parent is addicted to drugs, or can't read, or is incarcerated there is almost no hope for the children .<br>Our community is in such a mess, it is difficult to know where to start and what to do.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_22:14:56", "killed": false, "user_key": "jelana", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 859865, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859586": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "THANK YOU, bigassbelle. If we need any more proof as a society of how far we still have to go it's this:<br><i><blockquote><b>when we still live in a world where a white ex-con has a better chance of getting a job than a black high school graduate, there's something really wrong with that world.</i></blockquote></b><br>Not only that, but Black defendants get longer sentences than White ones for the same crime. Qualified people are passed over for jobs if they have a Black-sounding name. <br><br>No one is saying that personal responsibility is not essential to quality of life, but Obama's dog whistling totally lets America off the hook for persistent racism.<br><br>Bill Cosby said some things right, but when he says that Black people are wrong <i>for having funny names</i>, absolving those who discriminate based on someone's name, he is WRONG.<br><br>Our society is ready to lock a brother up in a heart beat and provide all KINDS of resources to make that happen, but won't put equal resources behind educating him or treating him for drug addiction. Undereducate him, underemploy him, lock him up, then castigate him for not being a good father.<br><br>I know people are tired of race or racism being an issue, but being tired of it doesn't make it disappear. Jesse keeps bringing the conversation back to society's responsibilities RIGHTLY, because society has a long way to go.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_18:44:40", "killed": false, "user_key": "taritac", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 859273, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858563": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "It's a recurrent meme throughout US history-- there is something pathologically wrong with Black people as a whole. We have to answer for every negative thing that happens to us or that some of us do.<br><br>No one lectures poor White people about absentee fathers, drug abuse, drug dealing, education, or welfare, even though they participate in these activities in rates that rival poor Blacks. It's not a <i>White</i> problem when they do it, but somehow it's a Black problem when we do it.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_16:46:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "taritac", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 858446, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "860616": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Tia,<br><br>Religion has been trying to control the sex drive from day one.  Here we are in the 21st century and they're still at war with biology.  Religion is still trying to control homosexuality...they've been failing for centuries.  In the war between religion and biology, biology will always win....thankfully!  But, I do give religion points for optimism..or stupidity.  The sex drive cannot be controlled by outside forces, lessons, parables or religious texts.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_21:19:07", "killed": false, "user_key": "Sombody_took_my_username", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 860071, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "866763": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "If Obama had advocated two parent families, or three parent families, or families with more than one parental figure, I'd have been satisfied, as long as he wasn't simultaneously pointing specifically at Black families. But the underlying assumption that families,  good families, consist of one mom, one dad and their offspring is out dated and short sighted. Kids need parenting for sure. Single parenting is hard, for sure. But two moms or two dads are just as good as a mom and a dad. The underlying assumption of heterosexual superiority us unjustifiable in this day and age.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_13:20:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "313c8f108b43104806fa6f1472af3f83", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859086": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I understand your point an no these stats aren't perfect but they are the the best I found to use as a base.  If anyone else has better stats please post them.<br><br>As far as Obama's message (or the Fathers Day speech that most refer to) he mentioned African American once and black once in the span of three sentences within the entire speech.  The message is universal.  In my opinion.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:42:09", "killed": false, "user_key": "pjamma", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 5, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 859022, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "871317": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Barack Obama has some internalized racism issues and that's what causes him to \"talk down to Black people.\"   He perpetuates, if not believes, the same stereotypes Whites who have no concern or connection to the Black community do and that kind of internalized racism is pervasive or there's a lot of Black people who buy into the same kind of bs based stereotypes Obama increasingly barfs out his mouth.<br><br>In 2004, he was trading in them stereotypes.  Change and convention are mutually exclusive and the stereotypes Obama specializes in are those that are part of the racist and internalized racist conventions Blacks and Whites buy into.<br><br>Obama needs to know his role. He's a politician.  His business is politics.  His role is to talk about, push and, as president, implement policies.  No more.  No less.<br><br>And Taritac is showing the hypocrisy of posters here.  When it's time for Barack Obama to treat Black people like they he does every other demographic group and talk about POLICIES (personal responsibility isn't government policy) he intends to work on in the interest of that group then it was \"he's not running for president of Black America.\"<br><br>So the message is Black people needn't think they should be respected or ever treated equal to others, much less rewarded for their support to politicians.  Most of the people quoting out of wedlock birth aren't intelligent enough or earnest enough to actually identify what makes that an issue.<br><br>I'd like to see someone explain how those non-marriage numbers rose the way they did and Black poverty went the opposite direction.  Is that kind of surface level thinking that has Black people jumping at anything someone says that's doesn't speak well of the Black community.   That's why Obama's dumb azz (and you're a dumb mf when you believe) that \"Acting White\" stuff the way it's presented in the media.<br><br>I'm like Al Sharpton.  Don't give me Republican or racist lite...  When I won't bs racist stereotypes about Black people I'll go to hardcore not trying to fake like they're something else racist.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_20:26:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "7b2e78e35619117f258a258c4b014289", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "870363": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "yeah...i was sort of thinking that myself.  because, i mean, come ON... a \"hot mic\" in a FOX NEWS studio????   it's almost laughable.<br><br>and the rev. wright thing could have been a plan too (agreeing with slave revolt).  the timing was PERFECT, and barack and his team had to know that the media was never gonna let the wright stuff go.<br><br>damn, they're good!   :-)", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_18:15:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "99bcec632769e483ead5faa515e84132", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 860435, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "863710": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "I find it interesting that Jesse, Jr publicly scorned his father for insulting Barack Obama. <br><br>Where was his scorn when Rev Jackson humiliated his mother?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_09:09:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "ca7674498191f49a8a6c3ef33b81ea51", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 2, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859103": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "What is particularly telling, in my mind at least, are comments to criticisms about Jesse Jackson, Sr. and to Obama's speech on fatherhood from White people. Almost to a person, they are quick to praise his speech as finally \"telling it like it is\" to Black people and to spit in Jesse's eye, no matter where on the political spectrum they fall. It galls me that the one issue that Black and White people will \"come together\" on is Barack telling Black people what pieces of shit we are. If his speech wasn't a dog whistle, I don't know what is.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:44:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "taritac", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858596": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think poverty is the problem. I have cousins who are single mothers. Those who come from middle class backgrounds with educated, career-oriented parents do fine. Their kids are well adjusted, they are home-owners, they have careers. Those who come from poor backgrounds, not surprisingly, don't do as well.<br><br>Birth control, drug use, education are key, but only nibble around the edges of the problem, IMO. The root is poverty and lack of opportunity.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_16:50:22", "killed": false, "user_key": "taritac", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": true, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 858542, "depth": 1, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "860647": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Emotional development is hard to measure.  What is the emotional difference between a 30 year old man who sticks around and one who leaves.  You seem to suggest that there is an age component by saying a 17 year old...but in my example,  the 30 year old is behaving like the 17 year old.  So, age and time have nothing to do with it.  Emotional development is not an exact science and can't be measured.  It seems arbitrary.", "is_last_child": true, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_21:22:07", "killed": false, "user_key": "Sombody_took_my_username", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 860048, "depth": 3, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859132": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "does anybody remember when bill cosby made those statments a couple of years ago that the good rev cried because he said that it was time for someone to say something like that", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:48:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "182651f1cc8d35134f305ad1fb07ed37", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859118": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "You may consider it to be universal, but the general consensus is that he was speaking to Black people, considering the venue and audience, and the fact that he mentioned us SPECIFICALLY in the speech.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:46:15", "killed": false, "user_key": "taritac", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 1, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 859086, "depth": 2, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "858095": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "When Ahmadinejad says Israel is a stinking corpse....trashtalk.  When Jesse says he wants to cut off Obama's nuts, it's trashtalk.  I'm not mad at Jesse;  in fact, I'm kinda amused by this.  Good grief, can we move on world?  Really, to see Tamryn trying to analyze \"cut off his nuts\" as Jesse wanting to go after Obama.  Oh, for Chrissakes!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_16:01:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "Sombody_took_my_username", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "859129": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "pjamma, I think the message is universal too. But the message becomes what the media interprets it as , and I think it does play into stereotypes. It is Obama's story too,<br>he owns that experience or I don't think he would be able to say it. Yeah, I would love to<br>hear if anyone else has a breakdown of these statistics. Single women can do a great job if they have the resources, but our children are all lumped together as if they are doomed to fail.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_17:48:07", "killed": false, "user_key": "kate03", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "863228": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Ok I hear you on the issue of television, but again this is a symptom of the problem.  Sure it is a problem, but it isn't THE problem. Moving backwards from TV watching- why do people cling to TV? Last night outside my apartment building there was like a pack of 8 kids running around the street (actually in the street!) and on scaffolding (!) at 11:30 at night.  The oldest was at best 12 years old. Now they weren't watching TV and I highly TV taught them to act a fool...<br><br>Where was mom (PLURAL)? Why did feel like it was ok to allow this? Why not have them at home?  I fee like you don't have to be trained to be a parent. If you don't know what structure and discipline is, you can't teach it or require it of others. <br><br>We are in a cycle (Parents who weren't parented,) and I do not believe people can step out of it without support, encouragement, and nurturence from a gang of people in an ONGOING way (not monthly appointments!) <br><br>By the way I refuse to blame our generation for this problems we experience today... we have had generations on the path.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-11_07:47:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "evita", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": false, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": 861678, "depth": 6, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "860398": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": true, "message": "Please, the African American community faces problems that have different dynamics and contexts than other racial/ethnic groups.<br><br>Make no excuses for irresponsibility--but this is no 'genetic' thing at all (no matter some white suprmacists that might want to frame it as such).<br><br>Indeed, I can relate to the hurt feelings and sensitivity on this issue, but let's be real.  Better community solidarity and guidance needs to be engaged, and it is hard to do this when the community is impoverished and fragmented.<br><br>The Black Panthers had some great ideas--but they were snuffed out by larger forces.<br><br>On topic:  I wouldn't be surprised if this whole dust-up was planned by Jesse and Barack.  If so, this is masterful politics.<br><br>Please, Jackson is savey enough to know that he was in enemy territory.  Anyway, the entire thing just seems too strange and awkward. <br><br>This allows Obama to show the nervous white community that he is not a prisoner to the traditional African American political leadership.<br><br>By the way, I think that the Reverend Wright situation was planned as well.<br><br>We are dealing with a masterful politician in the person of Barack Obama, the type that we haven't seen in our lifetimes.  I'd put money on it.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-10_20:45:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "113b8b42f25d4b142e2e7f99aded9a96", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 3, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}}, "integration": {"receiver_url": "", "theme": 4, "reply_position": true, "disqus_logo": false}, "timer": {"timer_url": "http://localhost:8005", "thread_id": "1792712", "user_id": "anonymous", "forum_id": "21630", "hash": -4771223772727227812}, "thread": {"days_alive": 0, "slug": "the_aftermath_where_do_we_go_from_here", "paginate": false, "num_pages": 1, "num_posts": 95, "per_page": 0, "total_posts": 0, "realtime_paused": true, "id": 1792712, "queued": false}, "reactions_limit": 10, "context": {"show_reply": true, "use_fb_connect": true, "forum_facebook_key": "bd6a8bc56f8eb204984f34b6fefe228d", "use_yahoo": false, "subscribed": false, "use_twitter_signin": true, "use_openid": false, "realtime_speed": 5000}, "reactions_start": 0, "settings": {"debug": false, "disqus_url": "http://disqus.com", "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"}, "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"};
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};

var disqus_popup_reference = null;

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/**
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/**
 * Dsq.FmtStrings: functions that return interpolated UI strings
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Dsq.FmtStrings = new function() {
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			(num == 1
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};
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Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN = '3a1994e3330279e78957da82fb64f754';
Dsq.COMMENTS_RE = /(<li.*?id="?dsq-comment-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/li>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_RE = /(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-header-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/div>)\s*(<div.*?class="?dsq-comment-body"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_BODY_RE = /\s*(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-message-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
// HACK: Safari ends with "-->" while other browsers end with "--&gt;" as expected.
Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE = /&lt;!--\[(.*?)\]--(?:>|&gt;)/gim;



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	this._lastHash = null;

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};

FragmentPacket.prototype.createListener = function() {
	var that = this;
	var listener = function() {
		that.recv();
	};
	return window.setInterval(listener, 10);
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.log = function(msg) {



};

FragmentPacket.prototype.recv = function() {
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				this.receiveCallback(decodeURIComponent(this._accumMsg));

				this._accumMsg = '';

				this.sendFlag(this.READY | this.ACK, this._lastSeqno);
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		this.writer.location.href = this.writer_url + '#' + packet;
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};

FragmentPacket.prototype.sendFlag = function(flag, seqno) {
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};

FragmentPacket.prototype.send = function(msg) {
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};

FragmentPacket.prototype._send = function(packetNum, msg) {
	var that = this;
	var recvBuf = this.recv();

	if (packetNum === 0) {

		if (!(recvBuf.flags & this.READY)) {
			this.log('client is not ready, waiting...');
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			return;
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			this.log('waiting for ack from client...');
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			return;
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			this.log('received ack: ' + this._lastSeqno + ' ' + recvBuf.seqno);
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	var flags = this.WRITING;
	var num_packets = Math.ceil(msg.length / this.MAX_DATA_LEN);
	this.log('num_packets: ' + num_packets);

	if (num_packets === packetNum) {

		this.log('message successfully sent!');
		this.sendFlag(this.READY | this.ACK, this._lastSeqno);
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	this._lastSeqno++;

	if (packetNum == num_packets-1) {
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	var data = msg.substring(packetNum * this.MAX_DATA_LEN, (packetNum+1) * this.MAX_DATA_LEN);
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	this.log('sending raw packet: ' + packet);
	this.sendRawPacket(packet);

	return this._send(packetNum + 1, msg);
};

FragmentPacket.prototype._zerofill = function(num, width) {
	var retval = num.toString();
	var retval_len = retval.length;
	for (var i = 0; i < width - retval_len; i++) {
		retval = '0' + retval;
	}
	return retval;
};

var PostMessagePacket = function(receiver, receiveCallback, id, receiverId) {
	var that = this;
	this.receiver = receiver;
	this.receiveCallback = receiveCallback;
	this.id = id;


	this.receiverId = receiverId;
};

PostMessagePacket.prototype.createListener = function() {
	var that = this;

	var listener = function(e) {

		if (!that.id) {
			that.id = e.data;
			return;
		}


		var id = e.data.split(';')[0];
		if (id !== that.id) {
			return;
		}
		var data = e.data.substring(e.data.indexOf(';') + 1);

		that.receiveCallback(data);
	};

	if (typeof window.attachEvent == 'function') {
		window.attachEvent('onmessage', listener);
	} else if (typeof window.addEventListener == 'function') {
		window.addEventListener('message', listener, false);
	} else {
		throw new Error('No method found to create event listener for PostMessagePacket.');
	}
};

PostMessagePacket.prototype.send = function(msg) {



	var needs_reget = false;
	try {
		if (typeof this.receiver.id == 'undefined' || typeof this.receiver.postMessage == 'undefined') {
			needs_reget = true;
		}
	} catch(e) {


	}
	if (needs_reget && typeof this.receiverId != 'undefined') {
		this.receiver = document.getElementById(this.receiverId).contentWindow;
	}

	var packet;
	if (!msg) {

		packet = this.id;
	} else {
		packet = this.id + ';' + msg;
	}
	this.receiver.postMessage(packet, '*');
};

PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id = null;
PostMessagePacket._get_unique_id = function() {
	var id = (new Date()).getTime();
	if (id == PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id) {
		id++;
	}
	PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id = id;
	return id.toString();
};

var JsonRpc = function() {

	this.ids = {};

	this.objectToJSON = function(obj) {
		var json = '';
		var results = [];

		if (obj === undefined || obj === null) {
			return 'null';
		}

		switch (obj.constructor) {
			case Object:
				for (var property in obj) {
					if (obj.hasOwnProperty(property)) {
						results.push(this.objectToJSON(property) + ': ' + this.objectToJSON(obj[property]));
					}
				}
				json = '{' + results.join(', ') + '}';
				break;
			case Array:
				for (var i = 0; i < obj.length; i++) {
					results.push(this.objectToJSON(obj[i]));
				}
				json = '[' + results.join(', ') + ']';
				break;
			case Number:
			case Boolean:
				json = obj.toString();
				break;
			case String:

				var specialChars = {'\b': '\\b', '\t': '\\t', '\n': '\\n', '\f': '\\f', '\r': '\\r', '\\': '\\\\'};

				json = obj.replace(/[\x00-\x1f\\]/g, function(match) {
					var ch = specialChars[match];
					return ch ? ch : '\\u00' + match.charCodeAt().toPaddedString(2, 16);
				});

				json = '"' + json.replace(/"/g, '\\"') + '"';
				break;
			default:

				json = 'null';
				break;
		}

		return json;
	};

	this.createHandler = function(send_func, registered_funcs) {
		var that = this;
		var handler = function(message) {

			try {
				var rpc = eval('(' + message + ')');
			} catch(e) {
				alert('bad JSON: ' + message);
				return;
			}
			if (rpc.method) {

				if (!registered_funcs[rpc.method]) {
					return;
				}

				var retval = registered_funcs[rpc.method].apply(null, rpc.params);
				if (rpc.id) {
					var response = {
						result: retval,
						error: null,	// TODO
						id: rpc.id
					};
					send_func(that.objectToJSON(response));
				}
			} else if(rpc.result) {

				if (!that.ids[rpc.id]) {
					return;
				}

				that.ids[rpc.id](rpc.result);
				delete that.ids[rpc.id];
			}
		};
		return handler;
	};

	this.execute = function(send_func, method, params, response_callback) {
		response_callback = response_callback || null;
		var id = (response_callback) ? (new Date()).getTime() : null;

		var request = {
			method: method,
			params: params,
			id: id
		};

		send_func(this.objectToJSON(request));

		if (id) {
			this.ids[id] = response_callback;
		}
	};
};
JsonRpc = new JsonRpc();

var ParentMessenger = function(childUrl, receiverUrl, container, receiveCallback) {


	if (navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Safari') >= 0 && parseInt(navigator.userAgent.substring(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Version/') + 8), 10) == 3) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	} else if (window.opera) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	}



	if (!receiverUrl &&
		navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Gecko') >= 0 &&
		parseFloat(navigator.userAgent.slice(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('rv:') + 3, navigator.userAgent.indexOf('rv:') + 6)) < 1.9) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	}


	if (/msie/i.test(navigator.userAgent) && !/opera/i.test(navigator.userAgent)) {


		if (document.domain == window.location.hostname) {
			receiverUrl = '';
		}
	}

	var that = this;
	this.childUrl = childUrl;
	this.receiverUrl = receiverUrl;
	this.container = container || document.body;

	this.packetHandler = null;


	this._ready = false;
	this._error = false;


	var _createReceiverForFragmentPacket = function() {

		that.receiver = document.createElement('iframe');
		that.receiver.src = receiverUrl;
		that.receiver.id = 'receiver_' + (new Date()).getTime();
		that.receiver.name = that.receiver.id;

		that.receiver.frameBorder = '0';
		that.receiver.frameSpacing = '0';
		that.receiver.style.borderStyle = 'none';

		var receiver_onload = function() {
			var receiver = document.getElementById(that.receiver.id).contentWindow;

			try {
				receiver.document.body.innerHTML = '';
			} catch(e) {

				that._error = true;
			}
			receiver.document.body.style.padding = '0px';
			receiver.document.body.style.margin = '0px';

			var child = receiver.document.createElement('iframe');
			child.id = 'child';
			child.name = 'child';
			child.src = that.childUrl;

			child.frameBorder = '0';
			child.frameSpacing = '0';
			child.style.borderStyle = 'none';
			child.style.width = '100%';
			child.style.height = '100%';
			receiver.document.body.appendChild(child);

			that.child = receiver.document.getElementById('child').contentWindow;
			that.receiver = receiver;

			that.packetHandler = new FragmentPacket(that.receiver, that.child, that.childUrl, false, receiveCallback);

			that._listener = that.packetHandler.createListener();

			that.packetHandler.sendFlag(that.packetHandler.READY, 0);

			that._ready = true;
		};

		that.receiver.onreadystatechange = function() {
			if (this.readyState == 'complete') {
				receiver_onload();
			}
		};

		that.receiver.onload = receiver_onload;







		if (Dsq.Utils.ie) {
			if (that.container.clientWidth === 0) {

				var _waitForWidth = function() {
					if (that.container.clientWidth > 0) {
						Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(that.container.id);
					} else {
						window.setTimeout(_waitForWidth, 100);
					}
				};
				_waitForWidth();

				that._once = false;
				that.receiver.onresize = function() {
					if (!that._once) {
						Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(that.container.id);
					}
					that._once = true;
				};
			}
		}

		that.container.appendChild(that.receiver);
	};


	var _createReceiverForPostMessage = function() {

		var receiver_onload = function() {

			that.packetHandler.send();
			that._ready = true;
		};

		var id = PostMessagePacket._get_unique_id();
		var receiverId = 'child_' + id;


		ParentMessenger['_receiver_onload_' + receiverId] = receiver_onload;

		that.container.innerHTML += '<iframe ' +
			'src="' + childUrl + '" ' +
			'id="' + receiverId + '" ' +
			'name="' + receiverId + '" ' +
			'onload="ParentMessenger._receiver_onload_' + receiverId +'();" ' +
			'></iframe>';

		that.receiver = document.getElementById(receiverId).contentWindow;
		that.packetHandler = new PostMessagePacket(that.receiver, receiveCallback, id, receiverId);
		that._listener = that.packetHandler.createListener();
	};

	if (typeof window.postMessage == 'function') {
		_createReceiverForPostMessage();
	} else {
		_createReceiverForFragmentPacket();
	}

};

ParentMessenger.prototype.sendMessage = function(message) {
	var that = this;
	if (!this._ready) {

		window.setTimeout(function() { that.sendMessage(message); }, 10);
		return;
	}
	this.packetHandler.send(message);
	return true;
};

Dsq.NewFrames = function(url) {
	this.url = url;
};

Dsq.NewFrames.prototype.init = function(onFailure) {
	var that = this;

	try {
		this.messenger = new ParentMessenger(this.url, Dsq.jsonData.integration.receiver_url, this.container, this.receive_callback);
	} catch(e) {
		if (typeof onFailure == 'function') {
			onFailure();
		}
	}

	if (typeof onFailure == 'function') {
		var iId = window.setInterval(function() {
			if (typeof that.messenger == 'undefined') {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
				return;
			}
			if (that.messenger._ready) {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
			} else if (that.messenger._error) {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
				onFailure();
			}
		}, 10);
	}
};

Dsq.NewFrames.prototype._execute = function(method, args, callback) {
	var that = this;
	if (typeof that.messenger == 'undefined') {
		return false;
	}
	JsonRpc.execute(
		function(msg) { that.messenger.sendMessage(msg); },
		method,
		args || [],
		callback);
	return true;
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame = function(container, parent_post_id) {
	var that = this;
	this.container = container;
	this.parent_post_id = parent_post_id;

	var sendFunc = function(msg) {

		Dsq.Debug.log('Dsq.ReplyFrame.sendFunc');
		that.messenger.sendMessage(msg);
	};


	var postComment_onSuccess = function(response) {
		Dsq.jsonData.posts[response.message.id] = response.message.post_meta;
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[response.message.post_meta.user_key]) {
			Dsq.jsonData.users[response.message.post_meta.user_key] = response.message.user_meta;
		}


		var reply_position = (typeof(disqus_insert_wrt_sort) == 'undefined' 
			? (Dsq.jsonData.forum.reply_position ? -1 : null) 
			: (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 2 ? null : -1));
		
		if (response.message.post_meta.approved) {
			Dsq.Post.insert(response.message.post_meta.parent_post_id || reply_position, response.message.id, response.message.post_meta.message);
		}

		Dsq.Templates.postComment_onSuccess(response, parent_post_id, response.message.id);
	};

	var postComment_onFailure = function(response) {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(response.message, 'Error');
		Dsq.Templates.postComment_onFailure(response, parent_post_id, response.message.id);
	};

	var editComment_onSuccess = function(response) {
		var post_id = parent_post_id;
		var message = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + post_id);
		
		message.innerHTML = response.message;
		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};
	
	var editComment_onFailure = function(response) {
		var post_id = parent_post_id;
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('Sorry, there was an error editing this comment.', 'Edit Error');
		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	var getUserByEmail_onSuccess = function(response) {
		var msg = response.message;
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(parent_post_id);

		if (msg.username) {

			Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(parent_post_id, 'login', {
				'username': msg.username,
				'display_name': msg.display_name,
				'avatar_url': msg.avatar_url,
				'verified': msg.verified,
				'email': fields.email.value
			});
		} else {

			Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(parent_post_id, 'register');
		}
	};

	var validateAuth_onSuccess = function(response, auth_choice) {
		Dsq.Templates.postComment(parent_post_id, null, true, auth_choice);
	};

	var validateAuth_onFailure = function(response, auth_choice) {
		var pid = parent_post_id ? '-' + parent_post_id : '';
		var msg = response.message;

		if (auth_choice == 'register') {
			var fields = ['email', 'username', 'password'];

			for (var i = 0; i < fields.length; i++) {
				var field = fields[i];
				var errorDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-' + field + '-errors' + pid);

				if (msg[field]) {
					errorDiv.innerHTML = msg[field];
				} else {
					errorDiv.innerHTML = '';
				}
			}
		} else if (auth_choice == 'login') {
			Dsq.$('dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid).innerHTML = '<p>We couldn\'t log you in. Please verify your login.</p>';
		}
		
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	this.receive_callback = JsonRpc.createHandler(sendFunc, {
		'postComment.onSuccess': postComment_onSuccess,
		'postComment.onFailure': postComment_onFailure,
		'editComment.onSuccess': editComment_onSuccess,
		'editComment.onFailure': editComment_onFailure,		
		'getUserByEmail.onSuccess': getUserByEmail_onSuccess,
		'validateAuth.onSuccess': validateAuth_onSuccess,
		'validateAuth.onFailure': validateAuth_onFailure,
		'reload': function() { window.location.reload(); }
	});

	this.url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY +
		'?' + (new Date()).getTime() +
		'&f=jackandjillpolitics' +
		'&t=the_aftermath_where_do_we_go_from_here' +
		'&ff=' + Dsq.Thread.ff +
		'&default_text=' + disqus_default_text +
		'&ifrs=' + encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css);
	if (this.parent_post_id) {
		this.url += '&parent_post=' + this.parent_post_id;
	}
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype = new Dsq.NewFrames(Dsq.ReplyFrame.url);

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.post = function(author_name, author_email, author_url, authenticate, sharing_services, subscribe) {
	this._execute('postComment', [author_name, author_email, author_url, authenticate, sharing_services, subscribe]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.edit = function(post_id, message) {
	this._execute('editComment', [post_id, message]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.setState = function(parent_post_id, depth) {
	this._execute('setState', [parent_post_id, depth]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.getUserByEmail = function(email) {
	this._execute('getUserByEmail', [email]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.validateAuth = function(auth_choice, email, username, password) {
	this._execute('validateAuth', [auth_choice, email, username, password]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.authenticateFacebook = function(session, forum_url) {
	this._execute('authenticateFacebook', [session, forum_url]);
};

	Dsq.Facebook = function() {
	var that = this;

	var handleSessionData = function(session) {

		var forum_url = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;




		if (typeof disqus_facebook_forum != 'undefined') {
			forum_url = disqus_facebook_forum;
		}
		Dsq.frames.reply_0.authenticateFacebook(session, forum_url);
	};

	var onLogin = function() {
		FB.Connect.getSignedPublicSessionData(handleSessionData);
	};

	this.login = function() {
		FB.Connect.requireSession(onLogin, true);
	};
};
Dsq.Facebook = new Dsq.Facebook();


	






Dsq.Themes = {};

Dsq.Themes.narcissus = new function() {
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-form-area';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-textarea-wrapper';



	
	this.header = function() {
		var comments_count, total_posts, num_posts;
		var html = '';
		var missing_perm_tmpl;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.missing_perm) {
			missing_perm_tmpl = Dsq.Templates.missingPermissions();
			if (missing_perm_tmpl) {
				html += '<div class="dsq-missing-permissions">' + missing_perm_tmpl + '</div>';
			}
		}

		total_posts = Dsq.jsonData.thread.total_posts;
		num_posts = Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_posts;

		if (total_posts) {
			comments_count = Dsq.FmtStrings.SHOWING_COMMENTS_FULL(total_posts, num_posts);
		} else {
			comments_count = Dsq.FmtStrings.SHOWING_COMMENTS_WITHOUT_PAGINATION(num_posts);
		}

		html += ' \
		<div id="dsq-comments-title"> \
			<h3>' + comments_count + '</h3> \
		</div> \
		';

		html += ' \
		<div class="dsq-options"> \
			<span class="dsq-item-sort">'
				+ Dsq.Strings.SORT_BY + ' \
				<select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);"> \
					<option value="hot" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 4 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.POPULAR_NOW + '</option> \
					<option value="best" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 3 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.BEST_RATING + '</option> \
					<option value="newest" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 2 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.NEWEST_FIRST + '</option> \
					<option value="oldest" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 1 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.OLDEST_FIRST + '</option> \
				</select> \
				&nbsp; \
			</span> \
			<span class="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
				<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle"> \
				<span id="dsq-subscribe">'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.subscribed
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.UNSUBSCRIBE + '</a>'
						: '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_BY_EMAIL + '</a>')
				+ '</span> \
			</span> \
			<span class="dsq-subscribe-rss" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle"> \
				<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/bullet-feed.png" alt="" /> \
				<a href="http://jackandjillpolitics.disqus.com/the_aftermath_where_do_we_go_from_here/latest.rss">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_BY_RSS + '</a> \
			</span> \
		</div> \
		';

		
		

		return html;

	};
	
	this.footer = function() {
		var html = '';

		html += Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		
		
			html += Dsq.Templates.realtime();
			html += Dsq.Templates.showThreadSettings();
			html += Dsq.Templates.postBox();

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.trackbacks();
		


		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator) {
 			html += ' \
				<div class="dsq-global-moderator-extras">'
					+ '<strong>shortname:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url
					+ '<strong>thread id:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.id
					+ '<strong>thread slug:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.slug
				+ '</div> \
			';
		}

		return html;
	};
	
	this.realtime = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			html += '<div id="dsq-realtime-options" class="dsq-options">'
					 + Dsq.Strings.REALTIME_UPDATING_IS + ' <strong id="dsq-realtime-status" style="text-transform: lowercase">' + Dsq.Strings.ENABLED + '</strong>. \
					 <a href="#" id="dsq-realtime-toggle" style="text-transform: capitalize"></a> \
					</div>';
		}

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
			html += ' \
				<div style="display: none" id="dsq-realtime-alert" class="dsq-realtime-alert"><span id="dsq-realtime-queued"></span> <a href="#" id="dsq-realtime-show"></a></div> \
			';
		}
		
		return html;
	};

	this.showThreadSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '<div id="dsq-thread-settings" class="dsq-thread-settings">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATOR_OPTIONS;
		html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.showSettings(); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.SETTINGS + '</a>';
		if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.reactions_enabled && Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.reportMissingReactions(); return false;">'
						+ Dsq.Strings.REPORT_MISSING_REACTIONS
						+ '</a>';
		}
		html +='</div>';

		return html;
	};

	this.postBox = function(post_id, use_fallback_iframe) {


		var html;
		var display_sharing_options = Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated;

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post) {
			return '';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote) {


			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.hasOwnProperty(Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain)) {
				display_sharing_options = false;
			}
		}
		
		if (post_id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];				
		}
		
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';

		var _requestUserInfo = function() {
			var html;



			var user_has_email = false;

			html = '<div class="dsq-request-user-info"> <!-- // If authenticated --> \
				<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT + '?ctkn=' + Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN + '" class="dsq-request-user-logout">' + Dsq.Strings.LOGOUT + '</a> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td rowspan="2">'
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE + '">' : '')
								+ '<img src="' + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR + '" width="48" height="48" class="dsq-request-user-avatar">'
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '</a>' : '')
						+ '</td> \
						<td class="dsq-request-user-name">'
								+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
									 ? '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-' + Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain + '">' + Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain + '</span>'
									 : (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_verified
											? '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span>'
											: '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span>'))
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? ' <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE + '">' : '') 
								+ Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username 
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '</a>' : '')
							+  (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && user_has_email ? ' <small>(<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.remoteAccountSettings(); return false;">change settings</a>)</small>' : '')
							+  (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? ' <small>(<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/info/" target="_blank">change name</a> or <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/avatar/" target="_blank">picture</a>)</small>' : '')
						+ '</td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-request-user-stats"> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.comments_count + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.comments_count == 1 ? 'comment' : 'comments') + '</span> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.likes_count + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.likes_count == 1 ? 'like' : 'likes') + '</span> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.points + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.points == 1 ? 'point' : 'points') + '</span> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';
			return html;
		};

		var _loginOptions = function() {
			var html;
			html = ' \
			<div class="dsq-authenticate"> \
				<p class="dsq-autheneticate-copy">'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
					? Dsq.Strings.YOU_ARE_COMMENTING_AS_A + ' <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. ' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL + ': ' + Dsq.Strings.LOGIN_BELOW + '.'
					: Dsq.Strings.REQUIRED + ': ' + Dsq.Strings.PLEASE_LOGIN_BELOW_TO_COMMENT + '.')
				+ '</p> \
				<ul class="dsq-login-buttons">'
					+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-disqus.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Facebook.login(); return false;"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-facebook.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-twitter.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL(); return false" ><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-openid.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_yahoo ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Yahoo.startYahooConnect(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-yahoo.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
				+ '</ul> \
			</div> \
			';
			return html;
		};

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {


			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {



				return '<div id="dsq-form-area" style="display:none"><div id="dsq-textarea-wrapper"></div></div>' + _loginOptions();
			} else {
				return '';
			}
		}

		html = ' \
		<div id="' + (post_id 
			? 'dsq-reply-post-' + post_id
			: 'dsq-new-post')
		 	+ '" class="dsq-post-area"> \
			<div class="dsq-dc-logo"> \
				<a href="http://disqus.com/comments" target="_blank"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/disqus-logo.png"></a> \
			</div>'
			+ (post_id 
				? '<h3>' + Dsq.Strings.REPLYING_TO + ' ' + userData.display_name + '</h3>'
				: '<h3>' + Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT + '</h3>')
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated 
				? _requestUserInfo()
				: _loginOptions() )
			+ '<div id="dsq-form-area' + pid + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-textarea"> \
				<div class="dsq-textarea-wrapper" id="dsq-textarea-wrapper' + pid + '"></div> \
			</div>'
			+ (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated
			? ' \
			<div class="dsq-post-fields"> \
				<form action="." method="GET" onsubmit="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, false); return false;"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-left"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-name' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (disqus_def_name ? disqus_def_name : (Dsq.jsonData.session.name ? Dsq.jsonData.session.name : Dsq.Strings.NAME + '" class="dsq-placeholder')) + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'name\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'name\')" /></div></td> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-right"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-website' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (Dsq.jsonData.session.url ? Dsq.jsonData.session.url : Dsq.Strings.WEBSITE + ' (' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL.toLowerCase() + ')" class="dsq-placeholder') + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'website\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'website\')" /></div></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-left"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-email' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (disqus_def_email ? disqus_def_email : (Dsq.jsonData.session.email ? Dsq.jsonData.session.email : Dsq.Strings.EMAIL + '" class="dsq-placeholder')) + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'email\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'email\')" /></div></td> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-right"> \
							<div class="dsq-subscribe"> \
								<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.chooseSubscribe(' + post_id + '); return false" class="dsq-subscribe-menu"><span id="dsq-subscribe-select' + pid + '">' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.subscribe_on_post ? Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_TO_ALL_COMMENTS_BY_EMAIL : Dsq.Strings.DO_NOT_SUBSCRIBE_TO_COMMENTS) + '</span> <small>&#9660;</small></a> \
								<ul class="dsq-panel" id="dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid + '"> \
									<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.setSubscribe(2, this, ' + post_id + '); return false">Subscribe to all comments by email</a></li> \
									<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.setSubscribe(0, this, ' + post_id + '); return false">Do not subscribe to comments</a></li> \
								</ul> \
								<input id="dsq-subscribe-on-post' + pid + '" type="hidden" value="' + Dsq.jsonData.request.subscribe_on_post + '" /> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
				</form> \
			</div>'
			: '')
			+ '<div class="dsq-post-footer"> \
				<div class="dsq-sharing-options" ' + (!display_sharing_options ? 'style="display:none;"' : '') + '> \
					<button class="dsq-button-small" onfocus="document.getElementById(\'dsq-post-button' + pid + '\').focus();"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.SHARING_OPTIONS + ' <small>&#9660;</small></span></button> \
					<div class="dsq-panel"> '
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-twitter' + pid + '"'
								  + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-twitter' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Twitter</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook
								&& (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook.enabled === true ||
										(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'facebook'))
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-facebook' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-facebook' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Facebook</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-yahoo' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-yahoo' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Yahoo!</label> \
								</div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-tumblr' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-tumblr' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Tumblr</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-wordpress' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-wordpress' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Wordpress</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype !== undefined
							  && Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-movabletype' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-movabletype' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Movable Type</label> \
							   </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad !== undefined
							  && Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-typepad' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
								  <label for="dsq-sharing-typepad' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' TypePad</label> \
							   </div>'
							: '')
						+ '<div><a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/connections/" target="_blank" class="dsq-configure-options">' + Dsq.Strings.CONFIGURE_OPTIONS + '</a></div>'
					+ '</div> \
				</div>'
				+ '<button class="dsq-button" id="dsq-post-button' + pid + '" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, false)"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.POST_AS + ' '
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username
					? Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username
					: Dsq.Strings.GUEST)
				+ '</span></button>'
				+ (post_id
					? '<button class="dsq-button" id="dsq-cancel-button' + pid + '" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(' + post_id +', this)"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.CANCEL + '</span></button>'
					: '')
			+ '</div>'
			+ '</div>' // end dsq-form-area
		+ '</div> \
		';
		
		return html;
	};




	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-append-post-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var html;
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		
		html = ' \
		<table> \
			<tr> \
				<td id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-avatar" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
					<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
					? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
					: '')
				+ '</a> \
				</td> \
				<td class="dsq-comment-header-meta"> \
		';

		
		return html;
	};
	
	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var html;
		var parent_display_name = '';
		
		if(_meta.parent_post_id) {

			var _parent_meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[_meta.parent_post_id];

			if (_parent_meta) {
				var parentUserData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_parent_meta.user_key];
				parent_display_name = parentUserData.display_name;
			}
		}

		html = ' \
		<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png" class="dsq-moderator-star" title="Moderator" /> \
		<span class="dsq-comment-header-time"><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')" title="Permalink">' + (_meta.is_realtime ? Dsq.Strings.JUST_NOW : _meta.date) + '</a></span> '
		+ (_meta.parent_post_id && parent_display_name
			? '<a href="#comment-' + _meta.parent_post_id + '" title="Jump to comment">in reply to ' + parent_display_name + '</a>'
			: '')
		+ '</td> \
		<td id="dsq-like-pts-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-comment-header-likes">'
		+ (_meta.points
			? _meta.points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(_meta.points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this.'
			: '')
		+ '</td> \
		</tr> \
		</table> \
		';
		return html;
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		var html = '';
		return html;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		var html;
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed || !_meta.approved) { return ''; }
		
		html = ' \
		<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer-left">'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
					? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.moderateOptions(' + post_id+ '); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATE + '</a>'
					: '')
				+ '<a href="#" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG + '</a> \
			</div> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer-right">'
				+ (_meta.votable 
					? '<span id="dsq-like-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-like">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<button class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1)" >Like</button>'
						: 'You liked this.&nbsp;&nbsp;')
					+ '</span>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<button class="dsq-button-small dsq-post-edit" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + ')" >' + Dsq.Strings.EDIT + '</button>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<span class="dsq-comment-footer-reply" id="dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(' + post_id +', this)"> \
						<button class="dsq-button-small">' + Dsq.Strings.REPLY + '</button> \
						<button class="dsq-comment-footer-reply-tab">' + Dsq.Strings.REPLY + '</button><span></span> \
					</span>'
					: '')
			+ '</div> \
		</div> \
		';
		
		return html;
	};



	
	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions" class="dsq-show-more-reactions"><button class="dsq-button-small" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</button></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		var item = '<li class="dsq-comment dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-comment-header"> \
			<table> \
			<tr> \
			<td class="dsq-header-avatar"> \
			';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'" class="dsq-avatar">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {

			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar92.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== ''
				? '</a>'
				: '')
			+ '</td>'
			+ '<td><cite class="dsq-comment-cite">' + reaction.author_name + '</cite> <span class="dsq-comment-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</span></td>'
			+ '<td class="dsq-comment-header-likes"></td>'
			+ '</tr></table></div>' // end dsq-comment-header
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header" \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-reaction-header-left">'
							+ '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png" />'
							+ ' From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
							+ 'via ' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? '<a href="http://backtype.com/">BackType</a>' : '<a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">UberVU</a>')
						+ '</td>'
						+ '<td class="dsq-reaction-header-right">';
			
			if(reaction.retweets) {
				var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
				if (num_retweets > 0) {
					if (num_retweets == 1) {
						item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
					} else {
						item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');
						item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
						var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 3) ? 3 : num_retweets;
						item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);
						if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
							item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
								+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
						}
					}
				}
			}	
			item += '</td></tr> \
			</table> \
			</div>' // end dsq-reaction-header
			+ '<div class="dsq-comment-body"> \
				<div class="dsq-comment-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '</div> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer"> \
				<div class="dsq-comment-footer-left"> \
				</div>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator 
					? ' \
					<div class="dsq-comment-footer-right"> \
						<button class="dsq-button-small dsq-hide-reaction" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + ')">Hide</button> \
					</div>'
					: '')
			+ '</div>'
		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions" class="dsq-show-more-reactions"><button class="dsq-button-small" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</button></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 id="dsq-reactions-title" class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-container"> \
			<table> \
				<tbody> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-tl"></td><td class="dsq-popup-b"></td><td class="dsq-popup-tr"></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-b"></td> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-body"> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
								<div class="dsq-popup-title"> \
									<button class="dsq-button-small" style="float:right" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)">Close</button>' 
									+ content['header'] 
								+ '</div>'
								+ content['body']
							+ '</div> \
							<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
						</td> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-b"></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-bl"></td><td class="dsq-popup-b"></td><td class="dsq-popup-br"></td> \
					</tr> \
				</tbody> \
			</table> \
		</div> \
		';
	};



	
	this.chooseSubscribe = function(post_id) {

		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var menu = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid);
		
		menu.style.display = menu.style.display == 'block' ? 'none' : 'block';
		
	};
	
	this.setSubscribe = function(value, el, post_id) {

		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var input = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-on-post' + pid);
		var select = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-select' + pid);
		var menu = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid);
		
		select.innerHTML = el.innerHTML;
		input.value = value;
		this.chooseSubscribe(post_id);
	};
	
	this.getFormFields = function(post_id) {

		var fields = {};
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var name = Dsq.$('dsq-field-name' + pid);
		var email = Dsq.$('dsq-field-email' + pid);
		var website = Dsq.$('dsq-field-website' + pid);
		var username = Dsq.$('dsq-field-username' + pid);
		var password = Dsq.$('dsq-field-password' + pid);

		fields = {
			'name': name,
			'email': email,
			'website': website,
			'username': username,
			'password': password
		}
		
		return fields;
	}
	
	this.validateFields = function(post_id) {
		
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) { return true; }
		
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		
		var nameField = fields.name;
		var websiteField = fields.website;
		var emailField = fields.email;
		
		websiteField.value = (websiteField.value == Dsq.Templates.placeholder['website']) ? '' : websiteField.value;
		
		var v = [{

			validator: Dsq.Validators.name,
			value: nameField.value
		}, {

			validator: Dsq.Validators.email,
			value: emailField.value
		}, {

			validator: Dsq.Validators.url,
			value: websiteField.value
		}];
		
		return Dsq.Validators.validate(v, function(e) { Dsq.Popup.popModal(e, 'Oops...') } );
	};
	
	this.checkExistingUser = function(post_id) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);		
		Dsq.Popup.loading(post_id);
		
		if (post_id) {
			Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].getUserByEmail(fields.email.value);
		} else {
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'].getUserByEmail(fields.email.value);
		}
	};

	this.validateAuth = function(el_clicked, post_id, auth_choice) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		var email = fields.email ? fields.email.value : '';
		var username = fields.username ? fields.username.value : '';
		var password = fields.password ? fields.password.value : '';
		
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
		
		if (post_id) {
			Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].validateAuth(auth_choice, email, username, password);
		} else {
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'].validateAuth(auth_choice, email, username, password);
		}
	};

	this.lightboxUpdateEmail = function(post_id, new_email) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		fields.email.value = new_email;
	};

	this.lightboxAuthenticate = function(post_id, auth_choice, auth_data) {
		var title, body;
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';

		if(typeof(auth_data) == 'undefined') {
			var auth_data = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		}

		d = auth_data;

		switch(auth_choice) {
			case 'register':
				var suggestedUsername = d.name.value.replace(/[^a-zA-Z0-9-]/g,'').toLowerCase();
			
				title = Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post ? 'Optional:' : 'Required:';
				title += ' Register a <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-profile.png" alt=Disqus Profile" />';

				body = ' \
				<ul class="dsq-lightbox-register-reasons"> \
				<li>Verify your comments</li> \
				<li>Edit and delete comments</li> \
				<li>Manage comments and replies</li> \
				</ul> \
				';

				body += ' \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-fields"> \
					<table> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Email</td> \
							<td><input type="text" value="' + d.email.value + '" onchange="Dsq.Templates.lightboxUpdateEmail(' + post_id + ', this.value)" /><div id="dsq-email-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Username</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-username' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + suggestedUsername + '"/><div id="dsq-username-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Password</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-password' + pid + '" type="password" /><div id="dsq-password-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
					</table> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-switch-auth"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(' + post_id + ',\'login\'); return false">Login instead</a></div> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid + '" class="dsq-lightbox-errors"></div> \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-submit"> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-post"><button class="dsq-button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.validateAuth(this, ' + post_id + ',\'' + auth_choice + '\')">Register and Post comment</button></div>'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
						? '<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-skip"><button class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, true)">Just post as a Guest</button></div>'
						: '')
				+ '</div> \
				';
				break;
			case 'login':
				title = Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post ? 'Optional:' : 'Required:';
				title += ' Login to your <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-profile.png" alt=Disqus Profile" />';
				body = '';
				
				if(d.avatar_url) {
					body += '<div class="dsq-lightbox-recognized"><table><tr>';
					body += '<td><img src="' + d.avatar_url + '" alt="" /></td>';
					body += '<td><span class="dsq-badge ' + (d.verified ? 'dsq-badge-verified' : 'dsq-badge-registered') + '">' + (d.verified ? 'Verified' : 'Registered') + '</span></td>';
					body += '<td>Hey <strong>' + d.display_name + '</strong>, is that you? Login below to claim this comment.';
					body += '</tr></table></div>';
				}

				body += ' \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-fields"> \
					<table> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Username or Email</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-username' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (d.avatar_url ? d.username : '') + '" /></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Password <a href="http://disqus.com/forgot" target="_blank">(cannot log in?)</a></td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-password' + pid + '" type="password" /></td> \
						</tr> \
					</table> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-switch-auth"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(' + post_id + ',\'register\'); return false">Register instead</a></div> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid + '" class="dsq-lightbox-errors"></div> \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-submit"> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-post"><button class="dsq-button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.validateAuth(this, ' + post_id + ',\'' + auth_choice + '\')">Login and Post comment</button></div>'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
						? '<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-skip"><button class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, true)">Just post as a Guest</button></div>'
						: '')
				+ '</div> \
				';
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
		Dsq.$('dsq-field-username' + pid).focus();
	};
	
	this.buttonsToRestore = [];
	this.setLoadingButton = function(btn, post_id) {
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		if (btn) {

			var loadingBtn = document.createElement('button');
			loadingBtn.id = btn.id + '-loading';
			loadingBtn.innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-lite.gif" alt="" /> Just a moment...';
			loadingBtn.className = btn.className + ' dsq-post-loading';
			btn.parentNode.appendChild(loadingBtn);
			btn.style.display = 'none';
			var cancelBtn = Dsq.$('dsq-cancel-button' + pid);
			if(cancelBtn) { cancelBtn.style.display = 'none'; this.buttonsToRestore.push(cancelBtn); }
			this.buttonsToRestore.push(btn);
		} else {

			var buttons = this.buttonsToRestore;
			for(var i = 0; i < buttons.length; i++) {
				buttons[i].style.display = 'inline';
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$(buttons[i].id + '-loading'));
			}
		}
		
	};

	this.postComment = function(post_id, el_clicked, force, auth_choice) {
		var append_id = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);

		if (Dsq.Templates.validateFields(post_id)) {

			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && !force &&
				((!Dsq.Utils.readCookie('skipped_auth') && !disqus_skip_auth && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled) || !Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post)) {
				Dsq.Templates.checkExistingUser(post_id);
				return false;
			}
			var params = [];
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
				params.push(fields.name.value,
					fields.email.value,
					fields.website.value);

				if (auth_choice == 'login' || auth_choice == 'register') {
					params.push({
						auth_choice: auth_choice,
						username: fields.username.value,
						password: fields.password.value,
						email: fields.email.value
					});
				} else {
					params.push(null);
				}

				params.push(null /* sharing options */, Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-on-post' + append_id).value);
			} else {
				var service_checked = function(name) {
					var el = Dsq.$('dsq-sharing-' + name + append_id);
					return (el !== null && el.checked === true) ? '1' : '0';
				};
				params.push(null, null, null, null, {
					tw: service_checked('twitter'),
					fb: service_checked('facebook'),
					tr: service_checked('tumblr'),
					wp: service_checked('wordpress'),
					mt: service_checked('movabletype'),
					tp: service_checked('typepad'),
					yh: service_checked('yahoo')
				});
			}

			var frame = Dsq.frames['reply_' + (post_id ? post_id : 0)];
			frame.post.apply(frame, params);

			if (el_clicked) {
				Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
			}
			
			if (force) {
				Dsq.Utils.createCookie('skipped_auth', true);	
			}
			
		} else {
			return false;
		}
	};

	this.editComment = function(el_clicked, post_id) {
		var edited_message = Dsq.$('dsq-edit-textarea-' + post_id).value;

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
		Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].edit(post_id, edited_message);
	};

	this.toggleEdit = function(post_id) {
		var body = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-body-' + post_id);
		var message = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + post_id);

		if (!Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id]) {


			message.style.display = 'none';
			if (Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id)) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id).style.display = 'block';
			} else {

				var edit_area = document.createElement('div');
				edit_area.id = 'dsq-edit-' + post_id;
				edit_area.className = 'dsq-edit dsq-textarea';
				edit_area.innerHTML = ' \
				<div class="dsq-textarea-wrapper"> \
					<textarea class="dsq-edit-textarea" id="dsq-edit-textarea-' + post_id + '">' + message.innerHTML + '</textarea> \
				</div> \
				<div class="dsq-save-edit"> \
					<button onclick="Dsq.Templates.editComment(this, ' + post_id + ')" class="dsq-button-small">Save Edit</button> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-edit-iframe-' + post_id + '" style="display: none"></div> \
				';

				body.appendChild(edit_area);

				if (!Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-edit-iframe-' + post_id), post_id);
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].init();
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].setState(post_id, _meta.depth);
				}
			}
		} else {

			message.style.display = 'block';
			Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id).style.display = 'none';
		}
		
		Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id] = !Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id];
	};
	
	this.edit = function(el, post_id) {

		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(post_id, button) {
		
		if(!this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]) {

			if (Dsq.$('dsq-reply-post-' + post_id)) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).style.display = 'block';
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.postBox(post_id);
				var container = Dsq.$('dsq-textarea-wrapper-' + post_id);
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id] && container) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(container, post_id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].init(function() {

						Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.postBox(post_id, true);
						Dsq.$('dsq-form-area-' + post_id).innerHTML = '';

						var theme = (typeof disqus_frame_theme == 'undefined') ? 'default' : disqus_frame_theme;
						Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-form-area-' + post_id), post_id, {theme: theme});

					});
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].setState(post_id, _meta.depth);
				}
			}
			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-append-post';
			Dsq.$('dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-comment-footer-reply-active';
			
		} else {

			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).className = '';
			Dsq.$('dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-comment-footer-reply';
		}
		
		this.stateReplyToggled[post_id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[post_id];

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie && this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]) {

		}

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: post_id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]
		});
	};
	
	this.moderateOptions = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		
		if(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator) { return false; }

		var html;
		
		html = ' \
		<div class="dsq-moderate-options"> \
		<table>'
		+ (_meta.email ? '<tr><td>Email</td><td>' + _meta.email + '</td></tr>' : '')
		+ (_meta.ip ? '<tr><td>IP address</td><td>' + _meta.ip + '</td></tr>' : '')
		+ '<tr> \
			<td>Actions</td> \
			<td><ul>'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
				? '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
				: '')
			+ '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Delete Comment</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li> \
			</ul></td> \
			</table> \
		</div> \
		';
		
		html += '<p>Go to the full <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/moderate/" target="_blank">moderate panel</a> for more options.</p>';
		
		return Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Moderate Options', post_id);
	};
	
	this.placeholder = {
		'class': 'dsq-placeholder',
		'name': Dsq.Strings.NAME,
		'email': Dsq.Strings.EMAIL,
		'website': Dsq.Strings.WEBSITE + ' (' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL.toLowerCase() + ')'
	};
	
	this.handlePlaceholder = function(evt, el, key) {
		var placeholder = Dsq.Templates.placeholder[key];
		var className = Dsq.Templates.placeholder['class'];
		
		switch(evt.type) {
			case 'focus':
				if(el.value == placeholder) {
					el.value = '';
					el.className = '';
				}
				break;

			case 'blur':
				if(el.value == '') {
					el.value = placeholder;
					el.className = className;
				}
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}
	};
	
	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked) {

		var extra_params = '';

		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked);
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'the_aftermath_where_do_we_go_from_here'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};
	
	
	this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {


		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-like-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
			}
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/vote.js'
				+ '?post_id='    + id
				+ '&vote='        + vote);
		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login('To rate, please log in');
		}
	};

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {

		Dsq.$('dsq-like-pts-' + post_id).innerHTML = points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this.';

		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-like-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.&nbsp;&nbsp;';
		}
	};




	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(response, parent_post_id, post_id) {
		var approved = response.message.post_meta.approved;

		if (parent_post_id) {
			Dsq.Post.toggleReply(parent_post_id);
		}

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
		
		if (approved) {
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		} else {			
			var unapproved_msg = 'Thanks for posting!\
	 Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.\
			';
			Dsq.Popup.popModal(unapproved_msg, 'Comment awaiting approval', post_id);
		}

		var sharing_results = response.message.sharing_results;
		var sharing_errors = '';
		for (var service in sharing_results) {
			if (sharing_results.hasOwnProperty(service) === true) {
				if (sharing_results[service].error === true) {
					sharing_errors += service + ', ';
				}
			}
		}

		if (sharing_results.facebook && sharing_results.facebook.callback) {
			FB.ensureInit(function() {
				FB.Connect.streamPublish('', sharing_results.facebook.attachment);
			});
		}

		if (sharing_errors !== '') {
			var message = 'Your comment was posted, but there were errors sharing with the following connections: ';
			message += sharing_errors.replace(/,\s$/, '');
			message += '<p><a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/connections" target="_blank">Configure your connections here</a></p>'
			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, 'Sharing options');
		}

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	this.postComment_onFailure = function(response, parent_post_id, post_id) {

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};
};




// TODO: It might be faster to use string methods to find all <li (...) </li> blocks and pass to Dsq.PostHandler manually.
Dsq.CommentsHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_post = Dsq.Templates.prependPost(post_id);
	var append_post = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(post_id);

	content = content.replace(Dsq.POST_RE, Dsq.PostHandler);
	Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter++;
	head = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContainer(post_id, head);
	return prepend_post + head + content + tail + append_post;
};

Dsq.PostHandler = function(str, h_head, post_id, h_content, h_tail, b_head, b_content, b_tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_header = Dsq.Templates.postPrependHeader(post_id);
	var append_header = Dsq.Templates.postAppendHeader(post_id);
	var prepend_body = Dsq.Templates.preBody(post_id);
	var append_body = Dsq.Templates.postBody(post_id);
	var append_footer = Dsq.Templates.postFooter(post_id);

	b_content = b_content.replace(Dsq.POST_BODY_RE, Dsq.PostBodyHandler);
	return h_head + prepend_header + h_content + append_header + h_tail + b_head + prepend_body + b_content + append_body + b_tail + append_footer;
};

Dsq.PostBodyHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	content = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContent(post_id, content);
	return head + content + tail;
};

Dsq.MediaPostHandler = function(str, args, offset, s) {
	args = args.split(' ');
	if(args[0] == 'seesmic') {
		return '<br />' + Dsq.Templates.mediaSeesmic(args[1], args[2]);
	}
	return '';
};


/**
 * Shorcuts
 */
Dsq.$ = function(element) { return document.getElementById(element); };
Dsq.$b = document.body || document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0];


/**
 * Dsq.Debug: Logging functions.
 */

Dsq.Debug = new function() {this.log=function(s){};this.profile=function(f){if(typeof f == 'function')return f();else return eval(f);};};


/**
 * Dsq.Urls: URL paths
 */
Dsq.Urls = new function() {
	this.LOGIN = '/profile/login/';
	this.LOGOUT = '/logout/';
	this.REPLY = 'http://jackandjillpolitics.disqus.com/the_aftermath_where_do_we_go_from_here/reply.html';
	this.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE = '/AnonymousUser/';
	this.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR = 'http://media.disqus.com/images/noavatar92.png';
};
// Dsq.Urls

/**
 * Dsq.Validators: Validation for form fields
 */
Dsq.Validators = new function() {
	this.VALID_EMAIL_RE = /^[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*\@(([a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*)+\.[a-z]{2,}|([0-9]+\.){3}[0-9]+)$/i;
	this.name = function(name) {
		var error = false;

		if(typeof Dsq.Templates.placeholder !== 'undefined' &&
		   name == Dsq.Templates.placeholder.name) {
			error = true;
		}
		if(name.length <= 1) {
			error = true;
		}

		if(error) {
			return "Please enter a name to comment.";
		} else {
			return true;
		}
	};
	this.email = function(addr) {
		if(Dsq.Validators.VALID_EMAIL_RE.test(addr)) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please enter a valid email to comment.";
		}
	};
	this.url = function(addr) {
		if(!addr || addr.indexOf('.') != -1) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please check your website URL (this field is optional).";
		}
	};

	this.validate = function(bulk_validation, failure_callback) {
		failure_callback = failure_callback || function(e){ alert(e); };

		for(var i = 0; i < bulk_validation.length; i++) {
			v = bulk_validation[i];
			ret = v.validator(v.value);
			if(ret !== true) {
				failure_callback(ret);
				return false;
			}
		}
		return true;
	};
};

/**
 * Dsq.Utils: Generic utility functions.
 */
Dsq.Utils = new function() {
	this.ie = /msie/i.test(navigator.userAgent) && !/opera/i.test(navigator.userAgent);
	this.ie7 = (document.all && !window.opera && window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true : false;
	this.ie6 = (!window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true: false;
	this.webkit = navigator.userAgent.indexOf('AppleWebKit/') >= 0;
	this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache = {};
	this._styleSheet = null;

	this.gebiFromElement = function(el, id, tag) {
		// This only method only helps IE.
		if(!this.ie) {
			return Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var cacheKey = el.id + '-' + tag;
			tag = tag || 'div';
			if(typeof this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] != 'undefined') {
				collection = this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey];
			} else {
				collection = el.getElementsByTagName(tag);
				this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] = collection;
			}

			for(var i = 0; i < collection.length; i++) {
				if(collection[i].id == id) {
					return collection[i];
				}
			}
			return null;
		}
	};

	this.execOnReady = function(func) {
		var node = document.createElement('document:ready');
		try {
			node.doScroll('left');
			func();
			node = null;
		} catch(err) {
			setTimeout(function() { Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(func); }, 10);
		}
	};


	// Courtesy of http://www.quirksmode.org/js/cookies.html
	this.createCookie = function(name,value,days) {
		if (days) {
			var date = new Date();
			date.setTime(date.getTime()+(days*24*60*60*1000));
			var expires = "; expires="+date.toGMTString();
		}
		else var expires = "";
		document.cookie = name+"="+value+expires+"; path=/";
	};

	this.readCookie = function(name) {
		var nameEQ = name + "=";
		var ca = document.cookie.split(';');
		for(var i=0;i < ca.length;i++) {
			var c = ca[i];
			while (c.charAt(0)==' ') c = c.substring(1,c.length);
			if (c.indexOf(nameEQ) == 0) return c.substring(nameEQ.length,c.length);
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.eraseCookie = function(name) {
		Dsq.Utils.createCookie(name,"",-1);
	};

	this.deleteNode = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			this.deleteChildren(node);
			if(typeof node.outerHTML != 'undefined') { node.outerHTML = ''; }
			else if(node.parentNode) { node.parentNode.removeChild(node); }
			delete node;
		}
	};

	this.deleteChildren = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			for(var x = node.childNodes.length-1; x >= 0; x--) {
				var childNode = node.childNodes[x];
				if(childNode.hasChildNodes()) { this.deleteChildren(childNode); }
				if(typeof childNode.outerHTML != 'undefined') { childNode.outerHTML = ''; }
				else node.removeChild(childNode);
				delete childNode;
			}
		}
	};

	this.findPos = function(obj) {
		var curleft = 0;
		var curtop = 0;
		if (obj.offsetParent) {
			do {
				curleft += obj.offsetLeft;
				curtop += obj.offsetTop;
			} while (obj = obj.offsetParent);
		}
		return [curleft,curtop];
	};

	this.getWindowSize = function() {
		var windowWidth = -1;
		var windowHeight = -1;

		if(typeof(window.innerWidth) == 'number') { //Non-IE
			windowWidth = window.innerWidth;
			windowHeight = window.innerHeight;
		} else if(document.documentElement) { // IE 6+ in 'standards compliant mode'
			windowWidth = document.documentElement.clientWidth || document.body.clientWidth;
			windowHeight = document.documentElement.clientHeight || document.body.clientHeight;
		}

		return [windowWidth, windowHeight];
	}

	this.getScrollPos = function() {
		var scrollWidth, scrollTop;

		if(document.documentElement && (document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.documentElement.scrollWidth)) {
			scrollWidth = document.documentElement.scrollWidth;
			// IE is weird here.  If no doctype is provided, document.body.scrollTop is 0,
			// otherwise document.documentElement.scrollTop is 0.
			scrollTop = document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.body.scrollTop;
		} else if(document.body.scrollTop && document.body.scrollWidth) {
			scrollWidth = document.body.scrollWidth;
			scrollTop = document.body.scrollTop;
		}

		return [scrollWidth, scrollTop];
	}

	this.addEventListener = function(instance, eventName, listener) {
		var listenerFn = listener;
		if (instance.addEventListener) {
			instance.addEventListener(eventName, listenerFn, false);
		} else if (instance.attachEvent) {
			listenerFn = function() {
				listener(window.event);
			};
			instance.attachEvent("on" + eventName, listenerFn);
		} else {
			throw new Error("Event registration not supported");
		}
		return {
			instance: instance,
			name: eventName,
			listener: listenerFn
		};
	};

	this.removeEventListener = function(event) {
		var instance = event.instance;
		if (instance.removeEventListener) {
			instance.removeEventListener(event.name, event.listener, false);
		} else if (instance.detachEvent) {
			instance.detachEvent("on" + event.name, event.listener);
		}
	};

	this.fixIframesIE = function(id) {
		var disqusThread = Dsq.$(disqus_container_id);
		var iframes = disqusThread.getElementsByTagName('iframe');

		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-content');
		}

		for(i = 0; i < iframes.length; i++) {
			if (container) {
				iframes[i].style.width = container.offsetWidth;
			}
		}
	};

	this.getElementsByClassName = function(oElm, strTagName, strClassName) {
	/* Credit: Jonathan Snook [http://www.snook.ca/jonathan], Robert Nyman [http://www.robertnyman.com] */
		var arrElements = (strTagName == "*" && oElm.all)? oElm.all : oElm.getElementsByTagName(strTagName);
		var arrReturnElements = new Array();
		strClassName = strClassName.replace(/\-/g, "\\-");
		var oRegExp = new RegExp("(^|\\s)" + strClassName + "(\\s|$)");
		var oElement;
		for(var i = 0; i < arrElements.length; i++) {
			oElement = arrElements[i];
			if(oRegExp.test(oElement.className)) {
				arrReturnElements.push(oElement);
			}
		}
		return (arrReturnElements);
	};

	this.postToUrl = function(url, post_data, opt_redirect) {
		var form = document.createElement('form');
		var iframe_container = document.createElement('div');
		var id = 'dsq-temp-iframe-' + (new Date()).getTime();

		form.method = 'POST';
		form.action = url;
		if (!opt_redirect) {
			form.target = id;
		}
		iframe_container.innerHTML = '<iframe style="display:none" name="' + id + '" id="' + id + '"></iframe>';

		for(var key in post_data) {
			if(post_data.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var input = document.createElement('input');
				input.name = key;
				input.type = 'hidden';
				input.value = post_data[key];

				form.appendChild(input);
			}
		}

		Dsq.$b.appendChild(iframe_container);
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(form);
		form.submit();
	};

	// Strips integer id from id of element in the form ('some-id-###')
	this.extractId = function(e) {
		var chunks = e.id.split('-');
		if(chunks.length <= 1) {
			return 0;
		} else {
			return parseInt(chunks[chunks.length-1]);
		}
	};

	this.getStyle = function(el, styleProp) {
		if(el.currentStyle) {
			var y = el.currentStyle[styleProp];
		} else if(window.getComputedStyle) {
			var y = document.defaultView.getComputedStyle(el, null).getPropertyValue(styleProp);
		}

		if(y == 'transparent' || y == '') {
			this.getStyle(el.parentNode, styleProp);
		} else {
			return y;
		}
	};

	this.execScript = function(url, append_qs, container) {
		var script = document.createElement('script');
		append_qs = typeof append_qs == 'undefined' ? true : append_qs;
		container = container || Dsq.container;

		if(append_qs) {
			var j = (url.indexOf('?') >= 0) ? '&' : '?';
			url += j + (new Date()).getTime();
		}
		script.type = 'text/javascript';
		script.charset = 'UTF-8';
		script.src = url;
		container.appendChild(script);
		return script;
	};

	this.pluralize = function(num, singular, plural) {
		return (num != 1) ? plural || 's' : singular || '';
	};

	this.getRequestParams = function(queryString /* optional */) {
		var pairs, tuple;
		var params = {};

		queryString = queryString || window.location.search.substring(1);
		pairs = queryString.split('&');

		for (var i = 0, pair; pair = pairs[i]; i++) {
			tuple = pair.split('=');
			params[tuple[0]] = (tuple[1] || true);
		}

		return params;
	};

	this.addCssRule = function(selector, styleText, index) {
		var stylesheet;
		index = index || 0;

		if(!this._styleSheet) {
			var styleEl = document.createElement('style');
			document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(styleEl);
			this._styleSheet = styleEl.sheet;
			if(!this._styleSheet) {
				// IE does not like our newly created stylesheet.
				this._styleSheet = document.styleSheets[document.styleSheets.length-1];
			}
		}
		stylesheet = this._styleSheet;

		if(stylesheet.insertRule) {
			var ruleText = selector + ' { ' + styleText + ' }';
			if(index == -1) {
				index = stylesheet.cssRules.length;
			}
			stylesheet.insertRule(ruleText, index);
		} else if(stylesheet.addRule) {
			stylesheet.addRule(selector, styleText, index);
		}
	};

	this.forEachIn = function(obj, callback) {
		for(var key in obj) {
			if(obj.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				callback(key, obj[key]);
			}
		}
	};

	this._interpolateGlobalContext = {
		// values that get used a lot and are global to the request
		'profile_url': Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE,

		'disqus_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url,
		'media_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url,
		'request_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.username,
		'request_display_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username,
		'forum_name': Dsq.jsonData.forum.name
	};

	this.renderFromContextStack = function(key, contexts) {
		// Returns the first instance of `key` in the array of objects `contexts` or else ''
		for (var i=0; i<contexts.length; i++) {
			if (contexts[i][key] !== undefined) {
				return String(contexts[i][key]);
			}
		}
		throw new Error('key ' + key + ' not found in context');
	};

	var that = this;
	this.interpolate = function(fmt, opt_localContext) {
		// Interpolate `fmt` named-format string with an assumed global context.
		// Based on `interpolate` in django.views.i18n
		var contextStack = [opt_localContext || {}, that._interpolateGlobalContext];
		return fmt.replace(/%\(\w+\)s/g, function(match){
			return that.renderFromContextStack(match.slice(2,-2), contextStack);
		});
	};

	this.stripTags = function(s) {
		// Removes HTML tags from `s`
		return s.replace(/(<([^>]+)>)/g,"");

	};

	this.assert = function(b) {
		if (!b) {
			throw new Error('Assertion error.');
		}
	};

};
// Dsq.Utils

/**
 * Dsq.Popup: Popup helper functions.
 */
Dsq.Popup = new function() {
	this.timeHide = new Array();
	this.timeShow = new Array();
	this.activePopup = {};
	this.profileCache = {};
	this.statusCache = {};

	this.showTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the hide timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeHide[post_id]);

		// start the timer
		if(!Dsq.Popup.profileIsOn && !Dsq.Thread.adminIsOn) {
			this.timeShow[post_id] = setTimeout("Dsq.Popup.popProfile(\"" + post_id + "\")", 400);
		}
	};

	this.hideTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the show timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeShow[post_id]);
	};

	this.updateProfile = function(username) {
		// Callback from /embed/profile.js
		if (this.statusCache[username]) {
			var statusEl = Dsq.$('dsq-profile-status-' + username);
			statusEl.innerHTML = this.statusCache[username];
			statusEl.style.display = 'block';
		}

		if (this.profileCache[username]) {
			var _cache = this.profileCache[username];

			var _genhtml = function(text) { return '<span><big>' + text + '</big></span>'; };
			var _no_comments = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_COMMENTS(_cache.comments_count));
			var _no_likes = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_LIKES(_cache.likes_count));
			var _no_points = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_POINTS(_cache.points));

			var statsEl = Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + username);
			statsEl.innerHTML = '';

			if (Dsq.jsonData.users[username].registered) {
				statsEl.innerHTML = _no_comments + _no_likes;
			}
			statsEl.innerHTML += _no_points;

			var activeSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.active_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.active_sites[i];
				activeSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (activeSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = activeSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = 'This site.';
			}

			var moderatedSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.moderated_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.moderated_sites[i];
				moderatedSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (moderatedSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + username).innerHTML = moderatedSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + username).innerHTML = '';
			}
		}

		// Reposition popup after full HTML is rendered
		if(Dsq.Popup.activePopup && Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el) {
			Dsq.Popup.initPopup(Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.type);
		}

	};

	this.showCookieMsgs = function() {
		var title = '';
		var message = '';
		var numAlerts = 0;

		Dsq.Utils.forEachIn(Dsq.jsonData.cookie_messages, function(k, v) {
			if (!v) return;

			switch(k) {
				// Cookie: Twitter
				case 'post_twitter':
					if (v === 'error') {
						title = 'Twitter Error!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-error">Oops, we couldn\'t tweet this comment. Please check your <a href="http://disqus.com/account/services">account settings</a>.</li>';
					} else {
						var _msg = v.split(':');
						title = 'Tweeted!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-success">Your comment was successfully tweeted. <a href="http://twitter.com/' + _msg[0] + '/status/' + _msg[1] + '">Click here to view the tweet</a>.</li>';
					}
					break;
				// Cookie: Unapproved Post
				case 'post_not_approved':
					title = 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-not-approved">Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.</li>';
					break;
				// Cookie: Profile Found
				case 'post_has_profile':
					title = 'Use your existing commenter profile';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-has-profile">You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a></li>';
					break;
				case 'user_created':
					var _data = v.split(':');
					title = 'Profile created!';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-user-created">You have just created a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, the best way to claim, manage, and track your comments all over the web. \
					<br /><br />A confirmation is being sent to <strong>' + _data[1] + '</strong>. Please check for this email in order to verify your profile. \
					<ul class="dsq-list-tick"> \
						<li>Your username is <strong>' + _data[0] +'</strong>. <a href="http://disqus.com/people/' + _data[0] + '/" target="_blank">Click here to view your public profile</a>.</li> \
						<li>Be sure to set your profile picture, as well as connect your <span class="dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> and <span class="dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> accounts. <a href="http://disqus.com/account/" target="_blank">Click here for account settings</a>.</li> \
					</ul> \
					</li>'
					break;
				default:
					break;
			}
			numAlerts++;
		});

		if(numAlerts > 1) {
			message = '<ul class="dsq-list-bluebullet">' + message;
			message += '</ul>';
			title = 'Thanks for posting!';
		}
		if(numAlerts > 0) {
			if(typeof(disqus_cookie_msgs) == 'function') {
				disqus_cookie_msgs(message, title);
			} else {
				Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
			}
		}
	};

	this.helpBadges = function(post_id) {
		var html = ' \
			<ul class="dsq-popup-help"> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile with a confirmed email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, but has not yet confirmed his or her email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span> is not logged in with any account and has not claimed his or her comments.</li> \
				<li class="dsq-help-otheraccts">Other accounts</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> is using his or her Facebook profile via Facebook Connect.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> is using his or her Twitter profile via Twitter Sign-in.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-openid">OpenID</span> is using his or her OpenID.</li> \
			</ul> \
		';

		this.popModal(html, 'Help: Types of Commenters', post_id);
		return;
	};

	this.permalink = function(post_id) {
		var header = 'Link to this comment';
		var body = '<strong>You are anchored to</strong>:<br />' + document.location.protocol + '//' + document.location.host + document.location.pathname + document.location.search + '#comment-' + post_id;

		this.popModal(body, header, post_id);
	};

	this.login = function(header, body) {
		var h = header || 'Login or Register';
		var b = body || '';
		b += Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: 'dsq-popup-login'});
		b += '</iframe>'; // HACK: Sometimes there is something funky with the IFRAME SRC that causes no end tag
		this.popModal(b, h, null, true, 'dsq-popup-login');
	};

	this.blacklist = function(id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		var title = 'Add to Blacklist';
		var message = ' \
		Adding this person to the blacklist will block him or her from commenting on this site. Check the following types that you would like to add to the blacklist:'
		+ (userData['registered'] ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-username" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-username"><strong>Username</strong>: ' + userData['username'] + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ (_meta.email ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-email" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-email"><strong>Email address</strong>: ' + _meta.email + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ '<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
			<input id="dsq-blacklist-ip" type="checkbox" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-blacklist-ip-warning\').style.display=\'block\'"> \
			<label for="dsq-blacklist-ip"><strong>IP address</strong>: ' + _meta.ip + '</label> \
		</div> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p id="dsq-blacklist-ip-warning" style="display:none">	\
				Note: Blocking this person\'s IP address may also unintentionally prevent others, who share his/her IP address, from commenting on this site. \
				This may include people who are sharing the same computer, living in the same house, or using the same Internet provider. Only block an IP address as a last resort. \
			</p> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p style="text-align:center"><button onclick="Dsq.Post.blockUser(' + id + '); this.disabled=true; this.innerHTML=\'Just one moment...\'">Add to Blacklist</button></p> \
		';

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
	};

	this.remoteAccountSettings = function() {
		var body = '';
		// Set up IFrame.
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/_auth/embed/remote_settings/';
		var attributes = {id: 'dsq-popup-account-settings'};
		if (typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}

		body = Dsq.Templates._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
		this.popModal(body, 'Account Settings', null, true, 'dsq-popup-account-settings');
	};

	this.popModal = function(message, title, post_id, use_listener, extra_classes) {
		var container = document.createElement('div');
		var header, body;

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);

		if(typeof(title) == 'undefined') { title = ''; }
		if(typeof(use_listener) == 'undefined') { use_listener = true; }

		if(post_id) {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message-' + post_id;
		} else {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message';
		}

		header = title;
		body = message;

		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupModal(header, body);
		Dsq.Popup.initPopup(container, post_id, 'message', extra_classes);
		if(use_listener) {
			Dsq.Popup.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', Dsq.Popup._closePopup);
		}
	};

	this.popAlert = this.popModal;

	this.loading = function(post_id) {
		var title = Dsq.Strings.JUST_A_MOMENT;
		var body = '<div style="text-align:center; padding: 5px 0 10px 0"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif" alt="" /></div>'
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
	};

	this.lightbox = function(message, title, post_id) {
		// Wraps Dsq.Popup.popModal

		var overlay = document.createElement('div');
		overlay.id = 'dsq-overlay';
		overlay.className = 'dsq-overlay';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(overlay);
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, post_id, false, 'dsq-lightbox');
	};

	this.popProfile = function(post_id, userKey) {
		var post = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id];
		if (post && post.has_been_anonymized) {
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('This message was anonymized by its previous owner.', 'Anonymized', post_id);
			return;
		}

		if(post_id) {
			userKey = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id].user_key;	
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][userKey];
		var elId = 'dsq-popup-profile-' + userKey;
		var container = document.createElement('div');

		if(this.activePopup.el) {
			this._closePopup(null, true);
			if(this.activePopup.linkClicked) {
				this.activePopup.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		container.id = elId;
		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupProfile(userKey);

		this.initPopup(container, post_id, 'profile');
		this.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._closePopup);

		if(!this.profileCache[userKey]) {
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/embed/profile.js'
				+ '?username=' + userKey
				+ '&anon=' + (userData['registered'] ? 0 : 1)
				+ '&f=' + Dsq.jsonData['request'].forum);
		} else {
			this.updateProfile(userKey);
		}
	};

	this._closePopup = function(e, force) {
		var activePopup = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el;
		var id = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id;
		var link = 'dsq-avatar-' + id; // HACK: Specific to profile toggle target

		// HACK: This event should be gone if there is no active popup.
		if(!activePopup) {
			return;
		}
		if(force || !Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, activePopup.id)) {
			// TODO: This is breaking iE?
			if(Dsq.Popup.popupListener) {
				Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Popup.popupListener);
			}
			
			// Kill overlay
			var overlay = Dsq.$('dsq-overlay');
			if(overlay) { Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(overlay); }
			
			try {
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(activePopup);
			} catch(e) {
				// HACK: IE6 throws an error when using deleteNode() with a node containing a <table> in the html.
				activePopup.parentNode.removeChild(activePopup);
			}
			Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {};
		}

		if(!force && Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Popup.activePopup.linkClicked = true;
		}

	};

	this.initPopup = function(popup, post_id, type, extra_classes) {
		popup.className = 'dsq-popup dsq-popup-' + type + ' ' + (extra_classes ? extra_classes : '');
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6 || Dsq.Utils.ie7) {
			// HACK: We can't modify the body before it's ready, so we need
			//       to use an IE-safe "DOMReady" workaround before loading
			//       our popup.
			Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(function() {Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup); });
		} else {
			Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup);
		}

		popup.style.display = 'block';

		var xPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[0] - popup.offsetWidth) / 2;
		var yPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[1] - popup.offsetHeight) / 2;

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) {
			yPos += Dsq.Utils.getScrollPos()[1];
		}

		popup.style.left = xPos + 'px';
		popup.style.top = yPos + 'px';

		Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {
			'el' : popup,
			'id' : post_id,
			'type': type,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};
	};

	this.isClicked = function(e, id) {
		var t = e.target || e.srcElement;
		while(t && t.parentNode) {
			if(t.id == id) {
				return true;
			}

			t = t.parentNode;
		}
		return false;
	};
};
// Dsq.Popup

/**
 * Dsq.Templates
 */
Dsq.Templates = new function() {
	/*
	 * Counter keeping track of the number of posts iterated over.
	 */
	this.postLoopCounter = 0;
	this.filters = {};
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-post-add';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-post-add';

	this.registerTemplate = function(name, func) {
		this['$$_' + name] = func;

		if(typeof DsqLocal.Filters != 'undefined'
		&& typeof DsqLocal.Filters[name] == 'function') {
			// Push filters to this.filters to unify code.
			this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
			this.filters[name].push(DsqLocal.Filters[name]);
		}

		this[name] = function() {
			var ret;

			if(typeof DsqLocal.Templates != 'undefined'
			&& typeof DsqLocal.Templates[name] == 'function') {
				ret = DsqLocal.Templates[name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(ret === undefined) {
				ret = this['$$_' + name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(this.filters[name]) {
				var args = [ret];

				args.push.apply(args, arguments);
				for(var i = 0; i < this.filters[name].length; i++) {
					ret = this.filters[name][i].apply(this, args);
				}
			}

			return ret;
		};
	};

	this.registerFilter = function(name, func) {
		this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
		this.filters[name].push(func);
	};

	/**
	 * Dsq.Templates.Filters
	 */
	this.Filters = new function() {
		this.commentContainer = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var classes = [];
			if(Dsq.jsonData.request.page > 1) {
				classes.push('dsq-append');
			}

			//
			// Extra classes used for custom themes
			//

			if(_meta.depth) {
				classes.push('dsq-comment-child', 'dsq-depth-' + _meta.depth, 'dsq-parent-is-' + _meta.parent_post_id);
			}


			//

			if(_meta.author_is_creator) {
				// TODO: We need to deprecate the "special" class since it is not properly prefixed.
				classes.push('special', 'dsq-special');
			}
			if(_meta.author_is_moderator) {
				classes.push('dsq-moderator');
			}
			classes.push(['dsq-odd', 'dsq-even'][Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter % 2]);

			s = s.substring(0, s.lastIndexOf('>'));
			return s + ' class="dsq-comment ' + classes.join(' ') + '" style="margin-left:' + _meta.depth*30 + 'px">';
		};

		this.commentContent = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			if (_meta.killed) {
				return '<em>Comment removed.</em>';
			} else if (!_meta.approved) {
				return '<em>This comment was flagged for review.</em>';
			}

			s = s.replace(Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE, Dsq.MediaPostHandler);
			return s;
		};
	};

	//
	// Thread
	//
	// TODO: These need to be stripped of all Django template tags.

	this.authPost = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			return '';
		}
		var result = [];
		result = result.concat([
				'<div id="dsq-auth"',
						Dsq.jsonData.integration.reply_position ? 'class="dsq-auth-bottom"' : '',
						'>',
					'<div class="dsq-by">',
						'<a href="http://disqus.com" target="_blank">',
							(Dsq.jsonData.integration.disqus_logo ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/by-disqus.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">') :
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/dsq-button-120x19.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">')
							),
						'</a>',
					'</div>',
					'<div class="dsq-auth-header">',
						'<h3 id="dsq-add-new-comment" class="dsq-h3-addcomment">',
								Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT,
						'</h3>',
						'<div id="dsq-login">',
						(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
								? '<p class="dsq-login-message" id="dsq-login-message">You are commenting as a <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. You may select one to log into:</p>'
								: '')
		]);
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			result = result.concat([
							Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
								'<a id="dsq-login-toggle" href="%(disqus_url)s%(login_url)s?next=article:%(thread_id)s" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsq-profile-btn.png" title="%(log_into)s" alt="%(log_into)s"/></a>',
								{login_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGIN, thread_id: Dsq.jsonData.thread.id, log_into: Dsq.Strings.LOG_INTO_DISQUS}
								),
							'&nbsp; ',
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ?
								'<div id="dsq-fbc-login" onlogin="DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin()" size="medium" background="light" length="short" style="display:inline; margin-right:7px"></div>' :
								''
							),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-twitter-login" class="dsq-twitter-login" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect();" style="display:inline; cursor: pointer"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/twitter-signin-short.png" style="margin-right:7px" /></div>', {}) : ''),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-openid-login" class="dsq-openid-login" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL();" style="display:inline; cursor:pointer;"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/openid-login-button.png"/></div>', {}
								) : '')
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
						'</div>', // dsq-login
					'</div>', // dsq-auth-header
					'<div id="dsq-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated" ',
						Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated ? 'style="display:block"' : '',
						'>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-pic">',
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">' +
																			'<img class="dsq-post-avatar" src="%(avatar_url)s" alt="" /></a>',
																			{avatar_url: Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR,
																			url: (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
																					 ? Dsq.jsonData.request.url
																					 : Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE) }),
						'</div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>', {url:Dsq.jsonData.request.url})
										  )
										: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(profile_url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>')
											)
									),
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">',
									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsqicon12.png" alt="%(logged_in_as)s"/>&nbsp',
											{logged_in_as: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username)})
										: ''),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="%(logout_from_disqus)s">',
											{logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN, logout_from_disqus: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('DISQUS')})
										: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'twitter')
												? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using Twitter (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
												 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
												: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'openid')
													 ? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using OpenID (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
													 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
													 : ''
													)
											)
									),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote ? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('<span class="logo-disqus">DISQUS</span>') : ''),
									'</a>',
								'</li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
		]);
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect) {
			result = result.concat([
					'<div id="dsq-fbc-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated">',
						'<div id="dsq-fbc-profilepic" class="dsq-authenticated-pic" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.ProfilePic" size="square" facebook-logo="true"></div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									'Logged in as <span id="dsq-fbc-name" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.Name" linked="true" useyou="false"></span>',
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">using Facebook Connect <a href="#" onclick="javascript:DisqusFbcParentController.logout();return false;">(Logout)</a></li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
				'</div>', // dsq-auth
				'<div id="dsq-toolbar-items">',
				'</div>'
		]);
		result = result.concat([
					//
					//
					//
				((!Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) ?
					// Needs to be translated:
					('<p id="dsq-no-anon-msg">Required: Please log into <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> ' +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? 'or connect with Facebook ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? 'or sign in with Twitter ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? 'or sign in using OpenID ' : '') +
					Dsq.Utils.interpolate('to comment on <strong>%(forum_name)s</strong>.</p>')) :
					''
				),
				'<div id="dsq-post-add"></div>',
				'<div style="margin:10px 0">',
				((Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media) ?
						'<a href="#" id="dsq-media-link" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, false, \'media\'); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.USE_MEDIA + ' <small>&#9660;</small></a>' :
						''),
				'</div>'
		]);
		return result.join('');
	};


	this.header = function() {

		var html = '\<h3 id="dsq-comments-count" class="dsq-h3-commentcount">\
	 <span id="dsq-num-posts">95</span> Comments\
	 &nbsp;\
	 <span class="dsq-item-feed">\
	 <a href="http://jackandjillpolitics.disqus.com/the_aftermath_where_do_we_go_from_here/latest.rss"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/bullet-feed.png"></a>\
	 </span>\
	 </h3>\
	 <div id="dsq-options" style="margin:15px 0">\
	 <span class="dsq-item-sort">\
	 Sort by\
	 <select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);">\
	 <option value="hot" selected="selected">Popular now</option>\
	 <option value="best" >Best Rating</option>\
	 <option value="newest" >Newest first</option>\
	 <option value="oldest" >Oldest first</option>\
	 </select>\
	 &nbsp;\
	 </span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-cp"><a href="http://jackandjillpolitics.disqus.com/the_aftermath_where_do_we_go_from_here/">Community Page</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-subscribe">\
	 <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle">\
	 <span id="dsq-subscribe">\
	 <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a>\
	 </span>\
	 </span>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-alerts">\
	 <p><a href="http://disqus.com/profile/login/?next=article:1792712" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false">You must log into your Disqus Profile in order to post comments.</a></p>\
	 </div>\
		';

		

		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) { 
			html = ' \
			<div class="dsq-alert-message dsq-upgrade-message"> \
				<strong>Disqus upgrade available.</strong> Hi ' + Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username + ', this message is being displayed to you because you are a moderator of this site. <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-upgrade-message\').style.display=\'block\';this.style.display=\'none\';return false">Click here for details.</a> \
				<div style="display:none; margin-top:10px;" id="dsq-upgrade-message"> \
					A new theme is available with added features. <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/settings/' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url + '/?p=customize">To change your theme, click here</a> and choose the theme Narcissus. \
					If you do not upgrade, you are missing out on features such as: real-time commenting, new sign-in integrations, and an upgrade interface. \
					<strong>This message will automatically go away in one week.</strong> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			' + html; 
		}
		return html;
	};

	this.footer = function() {
		var html = Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.authPost();
		

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.trackbacks();
		

		return html;
	};

	this.pagination = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) { Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = ''; }
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.thread.paginate) { return ''; }

		//
		// TODO: num_paginator still uses the template tag for pagination, 
		// 		while append_paginator does it all in JavaScript.
		//		This should all be in JavaScript.
		//

		if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages > 1 && Dsq.jsonData.request.page < Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages) {
			html = ' \<a class="dsq-paginate-append-text" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this); return false">Show more comments...</a>\
	 <button class="dsq-button-small dsq-paginate-append-button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this);">Load more comments</button>\
			';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = html;
			return '';
		} else {
			return '<div id="dsq-pagination" class="dsq-pagination">' + html + '</div>';
		}
	};

	this.trackbacks = function() {
		var html = '';

		if(typeof DsqLocal != 'undefined' && DsqLocal.trackback_url && DsqLocal.trackbacks) {
			var trackbacks = DsqLocal.trackbacks;
			var trackback_url = DsqLocal.trackback_url;
		} else {
			var trackbacks = [
			
			
			];
			var trackback_url = 'http://jackandjillpolitics.disqus.com/the_aftermath_where_do_we_go_from_here/trackback/';
		}

		html += '<div class="dsq-item-trackback">Trackback URL&nbsp;&nbsp;<input class="dsq-trackback-url" onclick="this.select()" readonly="true" value="' + trackback_url + '"></div>';

		if(trackbacks.length) {
			html += '<ul id="dsq-references">'
			for(var i = 0; i < trackbacks.length; i++) {
				var trackback = trackbacks[i];
				html += '<li><cite><a href="' + trackback.author_url + '" rel="nofollow">' + trackback.author_name + '</a></cite> \
						<p class="dsq-meta">' + trackback.date + '</p> \
						<p class="dsq-content">' + trackback.excerpt + '</p></li>';
			}
			html += '</ul>';
			html = '<h3 class="dsq-h3-trackbacks">Trackbacks</h3>' + html;
		}

		return html;
	}

	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		/* Reaction HTML begins */
		var item = '<li class="dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-header-avatar">';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'">';
		} else {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="#" onclick="return false;">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {
			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar32.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png"/>'
			+ '</a></div>'
			+ '<cite><span>' + reaction.author_name + '</span></cite>'
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"><a class="dsq-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</a></span>'
			+ '</div><div class="dsq-reaction-body">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-footer">From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
			+ 'via ' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? '<a href="http://backtype.com/">BackType</a>' : '<a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">UberVU</a>')
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator ? '&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;<a class="dsq-hide-reaction" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + '); return false;">Hide</a>' : '') + '</div></div>';

		if(reaction.retweets) {
			var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
			if (num_retweets > 0) {
				item += '<div class="dsq-reaction-retweets">';
				if (num_retweets == 1) {
					item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
				} else {
					item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');

					item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
					var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 15) ? 15 : num_retweets;
					item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);

					if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
						item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
							+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
					}
				}
				item += '</div>';
			}
		}

		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this.missingPermissions = function() {
		return '	<p><a href="http://disqus.com/profile/login/?next=article:1792712" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false">You must log into your Disqus Profile in order to post comments.</a></p> \n';
	};

	//
	// Post
	//

	this.prependPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="comment-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-comment-reply-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-header-avatar" id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
				<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
				? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '</a>'
			+ '</div> \
		';
	};

	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];

		return ''
			+ (_meta.author_is_moderator
				? '<img class="dsq-mod-star" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/bullet-star.png" title="Moderator" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"> \
				<a id="dsq-time-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-time" href="#comment-' + post_id + '" title="Permalink">' + _meta.date + '</a> \
			</span>';
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		return '';
	}

	this.postBody = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Deprecate flagging conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		return ''
			+ (_meta.edited
				? '<p class="dsq-editedtxt">(Edited by a moderator)</p>'
				: '')
			;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Use media should be conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed) { return ''; }

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
				<div id="dsq-points-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-likedtxt">'
				+ (_meta.points
					? _meta.points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(_meta.points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.'
					: '')
				+ '</div>'
				+ '<ul class="dsq-comment-options dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.votable
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first dsq-rate" id="dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id + '">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Like</a>'
						: 'You liked this.') + '</li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-report' + (!_meta.votable ? ' dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '"><a href="#" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">Report</a></li> \
				</ul> \
				<ul class="dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first"><a href="#" id="dsq-reply-link-' + post_id +'" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(this, ' + post_id +'); return false;">Reply</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<li id="dsq-edit-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-edit-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="' + (!_meta.can_reply ? 'dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-more-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-more-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'more\'); return false">More <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media
					? '<li id="dsq-media-el-' + post_id +'" style="display:none"><a id="dsq-media-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'media\'); return false">Use Media <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '</ul>'
				+ '<div id="dsq-reply-bar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar" style="display:none"> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-items-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-items"> \
						</div> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-auth-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-auth"> \
							 \
								 \
									<a href="#" class="dsq-help dsq-reply-req-opt" title="You must log into an account in order to comment on Jack and Jill Politics" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Required:</a> \
								 \
								<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/dsq-favicon-16x16.png" alt="" /> \
								<a id="dsq-reply-login-' + post_id + '" href="http://disqus.com/profile/login/?next=article:1792712" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false">Login</a> \
								 \
									&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img class="fb_login_image" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/images/fbconnect/login-buttons/connect_light_small_short.gif" alt="Facebook Connect"/> \
									<a href="#" onclick="FB.Connect.requireSession(DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin); return false;">Connect</a> \
								 \
								&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/twitter-signin-icon.png" alt="" /> \
									<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect(); return false">Sign-in</a> \
								 \
								 \
							 \
						</div> \
					</div> \
					<div id="dsq-reply-' + post_id + '"></div> \
			</div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Iframes
	//

	this._makeAttributes = function(attributes) {
		// Makes a tag attributes string out of an object.
		// Caller is responsible for making sure nothing needs to be escaped.
		var result = [];
		for (key in attributes) {
			result.push(' ' + key + '="' + attributes[key] + '"');
		}
		result = result.join('');
		return result;
	};

	this._frameGeneric = function(base_url, params, attributes) {
		if(typeof(disqus_callback_params) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_callback_params = '';
		}

		var default_params = {
			// TODO: These should be moved to Dsq.jsonData.
			'f'				: 'jackandjillpolitics',
			't'				: 'the_aftermath_where_do_we_go_from_here',
			// Do we need encodeURIComponent here?
			'ifrs'			: encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css),
			'to_redirect'	: encodeURIComponent(window.location),
			'cbp'			: disqus_callback_params,
			'ff'			: Dsq.Thread.ff,
			'fc'			: Dsq.Thread.fc,
			'ac'			: Dsq.Thread.ac,
			'default_text'	: disqus_default_text
		};

		base_url += '?' + (new Date()).getTime();
		// Add params to default_params.
		if(params) {
			for(var key in params) {
				if(params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					default_params[key] = encodeURIComponent(params[key]);
				}
			}
		}
		// Build querystring.
		for(var key in default_params) {
			if(default_params[key] && default_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				base_url += '&' + key + '=' + default_params[key];
			}
		}

		return [
			'<iframe marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" hspace="0" vspace="0" frameborder="0"',
			(' allowtransparency="true" src="' + base_url + '"'),
			this._makeAttributes(attributes),
			'</iframe>'].join('');
	};

	this.frameLogin = function(opt_attributes) {
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/login.html';
		var attributes = opt_attributes || {};
		attributes['class'] = 'dsq-post-login';

		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameReply = function(post_id, extra_params, attributes) {
		// Returns the HTML for a reply iframe. Called by Dsq.Iframes.setReplyIframeToContainer
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY;
		var params = {
			'def_email'		: disqus_def_email,
			'def_name'		: disqus_def_name
		};
		if(extra_params) {
			for(var key in extra_params) {
				if(extra_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					params[key] = extra_params[key];
				}
			}
		}
		if(_meta) {
			params['parent_post'] = post_id;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			params['per_page'] = disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			attributes['class'] += '-authenticated';
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameEdit = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/edit.html';
		var params = {
			'p' : post_id
		};
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, {'class': 'dsq-post-edit', 'name': 'dsq-edit_' + post_id + '-frame'});
	};

	//
	// Menus
	//

	this.menuMore = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: "Remove post" button should hide menu.
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')">Link</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Profile</a></li>'
	+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
		? '	<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>' + (_meta.email ? '<li class="dsq-admin-email">' + _meta.email + '</li>' : '')
		+ '	<li class="dsq-admin-ip">' + _meta.ip + '</li> \
			<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>'
		+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
			? ' <li class="dsq-admin-edit"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
			: '')
		+ ' <li class="dsq-remove"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Remove Comment</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-report-spam"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-block-user"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li>'
		: '');
	};

	this.menuMedia = function(post_id) {
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(this, ' + post_id + ', \'seesmic\'); return false;">Record video</a></li> \
		';
	};

	this.dropProfile = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};


		var menu = '<li class="dsq-drop-showlnk"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Expand &#8663;</a></li>';
		var pointsMessage = '';
		if (userData['registered']) {
			pointsMessage = 'with ' + userData['points'] + ' points (more points are better).';
		}

		if (userData['is_remote']) {
			var domain = userData['remote_domain_name'];
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' is a ' + domain + ' user ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
			menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-' + domain.toLowerCase() + '">' + domain + '</span></li>';
		} else if (userData['registered']) {
			if (userData['verified']) {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a verified commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span></li>';
			} else {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a registered, but unverified, commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span></li>';
			}
		} else {
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has not claimed this commenter profile." onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()"><span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span></li>';
		}

		menu += _includeServices();
		return menu;
	};

	//
	// Popups
	//

	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-top"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-body" class="clearfix"> \
				<div class="dsq-popup-body-padding"> \
					<div class="dsq-popup-header"> \
						<a class="dsq-close-link" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/modal-close.png" alt="" /></a>'
						+ content['header']
					+ '</div>'
					+ content['body']
					+ '<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
				</div> <!-- padding --> \
			</div> <!-- body --> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-bottom"></div> \
		</div> \
		';
	};

	this.popupProfile = function(user_key) {
		var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(user_key, null);
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var html = '';
			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == 0
					? '<h4>Connections</h4><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li> \
					<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" title="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" /> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>'
				+ (i+1 == userServices.length ? '</ul>' : '');
			}
			return html;
		};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<table> \
				<tr> \
					<td> \
						<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><img class="dsq-popup-profile-avatar" src="' + userData['avatar'] + '" alt="" /></a> \
					</td> \
					<td> \
						<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user"> \
							<h3>' + userData['display_name'] + '</h3> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats" id="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + user_key + '">Loading...</div> \
						</div> \
					</td> \
				</tr> \
			</table> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-state"> \
				This is a&nbsp;<span class="'
					+ (userData['registered']
						? (userData['verified']
							? ' dsq-badge-verified'
							: (userData['is_remote']
								? ' dsq-badge-' + userData['remote_domain_name'].toLowerCase()
								: ' dsq-badge-registered')
							)
							: ' dsq-badge-guest') + '">'
			+ (userData['registered']
				? (userData['verified']
					? 'Verified'
					: (userData['is_remote']
						 ? userData['remote_domain_name']
						 : 'Registered')
					)
				: 'Guest')
			+ '</span>&nbsp;commenter profile.'
			+ '&nbsp;<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><strong>View more comments </strong></a>'
			+ (!userData['points']
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice">If this is you, <a href="http://disqus.com/profile" target="_blank">claim it now</a> to manage your comments.</p>'
				: '')
			+ ((userData['registered'] && !userData['verified'] && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username == userData['username'])) && !userData['is_remote'])
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice"><strong>Alert</strong>: You have not verified this account. <a href="http://disqus.com/verify">Verify it now.</a></p>'
				: '')
			+ '</div> \
			<div id="dsq-profile-status-' + user_key + '" class="dsq-popup-profile-status" style="display:none"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-snapshot"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td> \
							<div id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Most active sites</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
						<td>'
							+ _includeServices()
							+ '<div id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Moderator of</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupReblog = function() {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<cite><span>Reblog this comment</span></cite> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div id="dsq-reblog-form" class="dsq-reblog-form"> \
			</div> \
		';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupModal = function(title, message) {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<h3>' + title + '</h3> \
		';

		bodyHtml = message;

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.alertContent = function(name, post_id) {
		var alert = {
			'post_not_approved': {
				'title': 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator',
				'message': 'Thanks for posting. Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.'
			},
			'post_has_profile': {
				'title': 'Use your existing commenter profile',
				'message': 'You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> commenter profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a>'
			}
		};
		return alert[name] || false;
	};

	//
	// Actions
	//

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {
		// Update number of points
		Dsq.$('dsq-points-' + post_id).innerHTML = points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.';

		// Update link text
		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.';
		}
	};

	this.subscribed = function(status) {
		var title, message;

		if(status) {
			title = 'Subscribed!';
			message = 'You have subscribed to this comment thread. New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox, where you may read and respond by email.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">Unsubscribe</a> \
			';
		} else {
			title = 'Unsubscribed';
			message = 'You have unsubscribed to this comment thread. New comments will no longer be sent to your email inbox.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a> \
			';
		}

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);

	};
	
	this.highlighted = function() {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('This comment has been highlighted.', 'Highlighted comment');
	};

	//
	// Media
	//

	this.mediaSeesmic = function(id, thumb) {
		return ' \
			<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_preview" class="dsq-seesmic-preview"><a href="http://www.seesmic.com/video/' + id + '" target="_blank" class="see_link">&nbsp;</a> \
				<div style="display:block;width:160px; height:120px; border:none; background-image:url(http://t.seesmic.com/thumbnail/' + thumb + ')"> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_hide" class="seePlayOverlay" style="display:none;"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',false)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/stopOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_show" class="seePlayOverlay"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',true)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/playOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; border:none; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			<div id="' + id + '_content" style="display:block; width:100%; padding-top:5px"></div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Callbacks
	//

	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(parent_post_id) {
		// Increment post count
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');
		
		if (num_posts) { 
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) { 
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
	};
};
// Dsq.Templates


/**
 * Dsq.Post
 */
Dsq.Post = new function() {
	this.openedMenu = {};
	this.menuEventListener = null;
	this.stateReplyToggled = {};
	this.stateEditToggled = {};
	this.stateRecordLink = {};

	/**
	 * Inserts a new post into the document.
	 *
	 * @param after_id {Number}	Insert a post before specified id.  If after_id
	 *							evaluates to false, then post in the front.  If
	 *							after_id is -1, post at the end.
	 */
	this.insert = function(after_id, id, message, author) {
		// Skeleton template from thread_posts.html.
		var skeleton = ' \
			<li id="dsq-comment-%(id)s"> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-header-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-header"> \
					<cite id="dsq-cite-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-cite"> \
						<a id="dsq-author-user-%(id)s" href="%(author_url)s" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">%(author_name)s</a> \
					</cite> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-body-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-body"> \
					<div id="dsq-comment-message-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-message">%(message)s</div> \
				</div> \
			</li> \
		';
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var _user_meta = Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key];
		var markup = Dsq.Utils.interpolate(skeleton, {
			id: id,
			message: message,
			author_url: _user_meta.blog,
			author_name: _user_meta.display_name
		});
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		markup = markup.replace(Dsq.COMMENTS_RE, Dsq.CommentsHandler);
		div.innerHTML = markup;

		if (after_id === -1) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').appendChild(div);
		} else if (!after_id) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').insertBefore(div, Dsq.$('dsq-comments').firstChild);
		} else if (Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + after_id)) {
			// Get next node after "after_id", so we can insert before it.
			// If "after_id" is the last comment, the target node is the
			// last node.
			
			// var append_post_id = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(after_id).replace('<div id="','').replace('"></div>', '');
			var append_post_id = 'dsq-append-post-' + after_id;
			var node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			while (node = node.nextSibling) {
				if (!node || node.nodeType == 1) { // 1 == Node.ELEMENT_NODE
					break;
				}
			}
			if (!node) {
				node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			}
			node.parentNode.insertBefore(div, node);
		}
	};

	this.incrementPostCount = function() {
		
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');

		if (num_posts) {
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) {
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
	}
	
	this.outlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className += ' dsq-comment-outline';
		setTimeout("(function () { Dsq.Post.clearOutlineComment(" + post_id + ") })()", 3000);
	};
	
	this.clearOutlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className.replace('dsq-comment-outline', '');
	};

	this.showMenu = function(el, id, name) {
		var anchorPos = Dsq.Utils.findPos(el);
		var menu = document.createElement('ul');

		if(this.openedMenu) {
			if(this.openedMenu.linkClicked) {
				this.openedMenu.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		switch(name) {
			case 'more':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMore(id);
				break;
			case 'media':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMedia(id);
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}

		// Add menu to document body
		menu.id = 'dsq-menu-' + id;
		menu.className = 'dsq-menu';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(menu);

		// Position and show
		anchorPos[1] += 15;
		menu.style.left = anchorPos[0] + 'px';
		menu.style.top = anchorPos[1] + 'px';
		menu.style.display = 'block';

		// Set global reference
		this.openedMenu = {
			'el' : menu,
			'id' : id,
			'name' : name,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};

		// Set listener
		this.menuEventListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._hideMenu);
	};

	this._hideMenu = function(e) {
		var el = e.target || e.srcElement;
		var openedMenu = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el;
		var id = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.id;

		if(!id) {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link';
		} else {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link-' + id;
		}

		if(!openedMenu) {
			return;
		}

		if(!Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, openedMenu.id)) {
			openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Post.menuEventListener);
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(openedMenu);

		} else {
			// Hide the menu if a link was clicked inside the menu.  We can't
			// completely remove the menu until the onclick event on the link
			// fires, but the menuEventListener will prevent multiple menus
			// from polluting the DOM.
			if(el && typeof el.href != 'undefined') {
				openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el = null;
			}
		}

		if(Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Post.openedMenu.linkClicked = true;
		}
	};


	this.getUserServices = function(user_key, id) {
		if(!user_key && id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
			user_key = _meta.user_key;
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var userServices = [];

		// Keep a full list of supported services. This is the order they will display in the drop-profile.
		// Each service must have a corresponding case in _buildServiceUrl()
		var supportedServices = ['blog', 'twitter', 'facebook', 'tumblr'];

		function _buildServiceUrl(serviceName) {
			var data = userData[serviceName];
			var services = {
				blog:		function(d) { return d; },
				twitter:	function(d) { return d; },
				facebook:	function(d) { return d; },
				tumblr:		function(d) { return 'http://' + d + '.tumblr.com'; }
			};
			return services[serviceName](data);
		}

		for(var i = 0; i < supportedServices.length; i++) {
			if(userData[supportedServices[i]]) {
				var serviceUrl = _buildServiceUrl(supportedServices[i]);
				userServices.push({'name' : supportedServices[i], 'url' : serviceUrl});
			}
		}
		return userServices;
	}

	this.dropProfile = function(id) {
		var dp = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-profile-' + id);

		// IE6 needs JS to display/hide. All other browsers use CSS.
		if(dp) {
			if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) dp.style.display = (dp.style.display == 'inline') ? 'none' : 'inline';
			return false;
		} else {
			dp = document.createElement('ul');
		}

		dp.id = 'dsq-drop-profile-' + id;
		dp.className = 'dsq-drop-profile';

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) { dp.style.display = 'inline'; }

		var container = Dsq.$('dsq-header-avatar-' + id);
		dp.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.dropProfile(id);
		container.appendChild(dp);
	};

	this.dropProfileMore = function(el, id) {
		var hiddenItems = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-hidden-' + id);

		hiddenItems.style.display = 'inline';
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
	};

	this._updateReplyLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "reply / cancel" links based on state.
		var displayDict = {};

		if(id) {
			if(this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				el.innerHTML = 'Cancel';
				displayDict['media'] = 'inline';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'none';
			} else {
				el.innerHTML = 'Reply';
				displayDict['media'] = 'none';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'inline';
			}
		}

		for(var key in displayDict) {
			if(displayDict.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var	linkEl = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-el-' + id),
					spacer = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-spacer-' + id);

				if(linkEl) {
					linkEl.style.display = displayDict[key];
					if(spacer) spacer.style.display = displayDict[key];
				}
			}
		}
	};

	this._updateMediaLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "use media / cancel" links based on state.
		var appendId = (id) ? ('-' + id) : '';
		var link = Dsq.$('dsq-media-link' + appendId);

		if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			link.innerHTML = 'Cancel Media';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(link, id); return false; };
		} else {
			link.innerHTML = 'Use Media <small>&#9660;</small>';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.showMenu(link, id, 'media'); return false; };
		}
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(el, id) {
		// Create reply IFrame
		if (window.disqus_use_postmessage) {
			if (!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				// Create IFrame if it doesn't exist.
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-frame-' + id), id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].init();
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].setState(id, _meta.depth);
				}
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
			}
		} else {
			// DEPRECATED
			if(!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				// Reply toolbar
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id), id);
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Iframes.hideAllInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id));
				if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
					// HACK: Cancel media before canceling self.
					this.toggleMediaReply(Dsq.$('dsq-media-link-' + id), id);
				}
			}
		}

		this.stateReplyToggled[id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[id];
		this._updateReplyLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-reply-' + id); }

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[id]
		});
	};

	this.toggleMediaReply = function(el, id, xtype) {
		id = id || 0;
		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(!this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id, {xtype:xtype}, 'dsq-post-video');
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id);
		}
		this.stateRecordLink[id] = !this.stateRecordLink[id];
		this._updateMediaLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};

	this.edit = function(el, id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.frameEdit(id);
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-comment-message-' + id); }
	};

    this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
                Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
            }

            Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/vote.js'
                + '?post_id='    + id
                + '&vote='        + vote);

		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login(Dsq.Strings.TO_RATE_PLEASE_LOG_IN);
		}
    };

	this.report = function(id, confirmed) {
		if(confirmed) {
			Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/the_aftermath_where_do_we_go_from_here/post_report/', {'post_id': id});
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('Thank you. This comment has been flagged for moderator attention.', 'Successfully flagged');
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$('dsq-post-report-' + id));
		} else {
			var title = Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT;
			var message = Dsq.Strings.ARE_YOU_SURE_YOU_WOULD_LIKE_TO_REPORT_THIS_COMMENT_TO_A_MODERATOR + '? \
			<br /><br /> \
			<button onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.NO + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.NEVER_MIND + '</button>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<button onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + id + ', true);"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.YES + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT + '</button><br /><br />'
			+ Dsq.Strings.THIS_WILL_FLAG_COMMENTS_FOR_MODERATORS_TO_TAKE_ACTION + '. \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, id);
		}
	};



	this.showAlert = function(id, msg) {
		var msgEl = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id);
		var alert = '<div class="dsq-comment-alert">' + msg + '</div>';

		msgEl.innerHTML = alert + msgEl.innerHTML;
	};

};
// Dsq.Post


/**
 * Dsq.Thread
 */
Dsq.Thread = new function() {
	this.fc = null;
	this.ff = null;
	this.ac = null;

	
	this.adminIsOn = false;

	
	
	

	this.hlComment = null;
	this.hlCommentClass = null;

	this.getNextComment = function(el) {
		var start_id = el.id;
		while(el = el.nextSibling) {
			if(el.id && el.id.indexOf('dsq-comment-') != -1 && el.id != start_id) {
				return el;
			}
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.getActiveCommentId = function() {
		if (document.URL.indexOf('#comment-') >= 0) {
			var anchor = document.URL.slice(document.URL.indexOf('#') + 1);
			return anchor.replace('comment-', '');
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.highlightAnchor = function() {
		var i = this.getActiveCommentId();
		if (i == null) return false;
		var id = 'dsq-comment-' + i;
		var hash = window.location.hash;

		// Toggle the hash incase the comment isn't available when the page loads
		// for WebKit-based browsers.
		if (Dsq.Utils.webkit) {
			window.location.hash = '';
			window.location.hash = hash;
		}

		this.hlComment = Dsq.$(id);
		// Adding this conditional guard pending #289
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlCommentClass = this.hlComment.className;
		this.hlComment.className += ' dsq-hl-anchor';

		setTimeout("Dsq.Thread.highlightClear()", 3000);
	};

	this.highlightClear = function() {
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlComment.className = this.hlCommentClass;
	};

	this.login = function(toggle) {
		// toggle id is #dsq-reply-login-[id]
		var postId;
		if(toggle.id.indexOf('dsq-reply-login') != -1) {
			postId = toggle.id.slice(16);
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + postId);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(toggle) {
			if(toggle.className == 'dsq-login-active') {
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(container, postId);
				toggle.className = '';
			} else {
				Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
				toggle.className = 'dsq-login-active';
			}
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
		}

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};


	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked, per_page) {
		// Use extra_params to pass any override parameters that we need to persist.
		var extra_params = '';

		// "Per page" can either be overriden by providing it as an argument
		// (per-call) or setting the disqus_per_page override variable (global).
		if(typeof per_page == 'undefined') {
			per_page = null;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined' && per_page === null) {
			per_page = disqus_per_page;
		}

		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}
		if(per_page !== null) {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + per_page;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			el_clicked.style.display = 'none';
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'the_aftermath_where_do_we_go_from_here'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};

	this.sortBy = function(sort) {
		var disqus_script = document.createElement('script');
		var disqus_date = new Date();

		if (location.hash != '') {
			location.hash = '#disqus_thread';
		}

		if(typeof(disqus_url) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_url = disqus_href;
		}
		disqus_script.type = 'text/javascript';
		disqus_script.src = 'http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'the_aftermath_where_do_we_go_from_here'
			+ '&sort='	+ sort
			+ '&title='
			+ '&'		+ disqus_date.getTime();

		Dsq.$('dsq-comments').innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif">';
		Dsq.container.appendChild(disqus_script);
	};

	this.subscribe = function(status, email) {
		// `status` is an int -- 1 to subscribe, 0 to unsubscribe
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || email) {
			// If authenticated user OR anonymous email provided

			if(email) {
				Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
			}

			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/subscribe.js'
				+'?status=' 	+ status
				+ '&slug='		+ 'the_aftermath_where_do_we_go_from_here'
				+ '&email=' 	+ encodeURIComponent(email));

		} else if(!email) {
			// If anonymous user and no email has been provided yet, prompt for email

			var title = 'Subscribe to this comment thread';
			var message = ' \
				New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox! \
				<div class="dsq-subscribe-submit"> \
					<p><strong>Enter your email address below.</strong></p> \
					<input type="text" id="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
					<button onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1, Dsq.$(\'dsq-subscribe-email\').value)">Subscribe</button> \
				</div> \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
		}
	};

	this.showSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return;
		}

		/* The form has to be re-designed when more options will come out. */
		var html = 'Automatically close comments after <input size="3" id="dsq-thread-days-alive" value="' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.days_alive + '" type="text" /> days. Existing comments will still be displayed.<br /><br />(Using 0 days will disable this feature)<br /><br />'
								 + '<button onclick="Dsq.Thread.updateDaysAlive();" class="dsq-button-small"><span>Save</span></button>'
								 + '<span id="dsq-thread-settings-status" class="dsq-options-status"></span>';
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Settings');
	};

	this.updateDaysAlive = function() {
		var days = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-days-alive').value;
		var status = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-settings-status');
		Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/update_days_alive.js', {days:days,thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
		status.innerHTML = 'Saved!';
		window.setTimeout(function() { status.innerHTML = ''; }, 1000);
	};
};
// Dsq.Thread

Dsq.Events = function() {
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var handlers = {};
	var getHandlers = function(event) {
		if (handlers[event] === undefined) {
			handlers[event] = [];
		}
		return handlers[event];
	};

	// Public
	// Value keys : postId, node, xtype
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED = 1;
	// Value keys : postId, opened
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED = 2;
	obj.fire = function(event, opt_value) {
		if (!event) {
			throw new Error('Unknown event');
		}
		var value = opt_value || {};
		for (var i=0; i<getHandlers(event).length; i++) {
			getHandlers(event)[i](value);
		}
	};
	obj.addHandler = function(event, callback) {
		getHandlers(event).push(callback);
	};

	return obj;
}();

/**
 * Dsq.Realtime
 */
Dsq.Realtime = new function() {
	var initialized = false;
	var interval = null;
	var last_checked = Dsq.jsonData.request.timestamp;
	var new_posts = [];
	var ongoing_request = false;
	var prev_script = null;

	function updateNewPostCount() {
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-alert').style.display = new_posts.length ? 'block' : 'none';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-queued').innerHTML = new_posts.length
		+ ' new '
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, 'comment', 'comments')
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, ' was', ' were')
		+ ' just posted.';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.SHOW + ')';
	}

	function insertNewPosts() {
		var post_id = null;
		var after_id = Dsq.$('dsq-sort-select').value === 'oldest' ? -1 : null;

		for (var i=0; i<new_posts.length; i++) {
			post_id = new_posts[i];
			Dsq.Post.insert(after_id, post_id, Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id].message);
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		}
		new_posts = [];
	}

	this.enableInterval = function() {
		interval = setInterval(Dsq.Realtime.check, Dsq.jsonData.context.realtime_speed);
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.ENABLED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.PAUSE + ')';
	}

	this.disableInterval = function() {
		if (interval) {
			clearInterval(interval);
			interval = null;
		}
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.PAUSED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.RESUME + ')';
	}

	this.toggleInterval = function() {
		if (!interval) {
			Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
		} else {
			Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
		}
		return false;
	}

	this.initialize = function() {
		if (!initialized) {
			initialized = true;
			Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').onclick = this.toggleInterval;
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').onclick = this.show;
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
			if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.realtime_paused) {
				Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
			} else {
				Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
			}
		}
	}

	this.show = function() {
		insertNewPosts();
		updateNewPostCount();
		return false;
	}

	this.check = function() {
		if (!ongoing_request && Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			if (prev_script) {
				prev_script.parentNode.removeChild(prev_script);
			}
			ongoing_request = true;
			prev_script = Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/1792712/realtime.js?timestamp=' + last_checked);
		}
	};

	this.update = function(timestamp, posts, users) {
		ongoing_request = false;
		last_checked = timestamp;

		if (users) {
			for (var user_id in users) {
				if (users.hasOwnProperty(user_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id] = users[user_id];
					}
				}
			}
		}

		if (posts) {
			for (var post_id in posts) {
				if (posts.hasOwnProperty(post_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] = posts[post_id];
						new_posts.push(post_id);
					}
				}
			}

			if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				insertNewPosts();
			} else {
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
		}
	};

}();

// DEPRECATED
Dsq.Iframes = function() {
	// Different style of object from the above. Hoping to switch to this for some reason.
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var showIframeInContainer = function(container, id, markup) {
		// Look through container for iframes, hiding them, except show one that matches id
		// If none of them matched id, create a new iframe using markup and insert it.
		// Returns the iframe node if and only if it was newly created.
		var found = false;
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				if (child.id == id) {
					child.style.display = 'block';
					found = true;
				} else {
					child.style.display = 'none';
				}
			}
		}
		if (found) {
			return;
		}
		// The iframe wasn't found, so construct it and add it to the container.
		// Don't use innerHTML because it might reload iframes
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		div.innerHTML = markup;
		var iframe = div.childNodes[0];
		div.removeChild(iframe);
		container.appendChild(iframe);
		return iframe;
	};

	// Public
	obj.makeReplyIframeId = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var id = 'dsq-post-add-iframe';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			id += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			id += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return id;
	};
	obj.makeLoginIframeId = function(opt_postId) {
		if (!opt_postId) {
			return 'dsq-login-iframe';
		}
		return 'dsq-login-iframe-' + opt_postId;
	};
	obj.makeReplyIframeName = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var name = 'dsq-reply-frame';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			name += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			name += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return name;
	};
	obj.showReplyIframeInContainer = function(container, opt_postId, opt_extraParams, opt_className) {
		// Construct the id so we can check if it's already present.
		// Hide any other iframes we find, and show this one if it's found.
		var params = opt_extraParams || {};
		// use xtype in the id and name so we can distinguish media replies from text replies:
		var id = Dsq.Iframes.makeReplyIframeId(opt_postId, params.xtype);
		var name = Dsq.Iframes.makeReplyIframeName(opt_postId, params.xtype);
		var attributes = {
			'id': id,
			'name': name,
			'class': opt_className || 'dsq-post-reply'
			};
		var markup = Dsq.Templates.frameReply(opt_postId, opt_extraParams, attributes);
		var iframe = showIframeInContainer(container, id, markup);
		// It was newly created
		if (iframe) {
			Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED, {
				postId: opt_postId,
				node: iframe,
				xtype: params.xtype
			});
		}
	};
	obj.showLoginIframeInContainer = function(container, opt_postId) {
		var id = Dsq.Iframes.makeLoginIframeId(opt_postId);
		var markup = Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: id});
		showIframeInContainer(container, id, markup);
	};
	obj.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed = function(container, opt_postId) {
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			obj.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, opt_postId);
		} else {
			obj.hideAllInContainer(container);
		}
	};
	obj.hideAllInContainer = function(container) {
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				child.style.display = 'none';
			}
		}
	};

	return obj;
}();

Dsq.Twitter = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.startTwitterConnect = function() {
		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=400';
		that._twitterWindow = window.open(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/twitter/begin/', 'twitterWindow', popupParams);
		that._twitterInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeTwitterConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeTwitterConnect = function() {
		if (that._twitterWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._twitterInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.Yahoo = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.startYahooConnect = function() {
		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=400';
		that._yahooWindow = window.open(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/yahoo/begin/', 'yahooWindow', popupParams);
		that._yahooInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeYahooConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeYahooConnect = function() {
		if (that._yahooWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._yahooInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.OpenID = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.requestURL = function() {
		var message = '<table class="dsq-openid-form"><tr><td style="vertical-align:top;" rowspan="2"><img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url + '/images/openid-icon-100x100.png" /></td>';
		message += '<td><label for="dsq-openid-url">OpenID URL:</label></td><td><input type="text" id="dsq-openid-url" /></td></tr>';
		message += '<tr><td><label for="dsq-openid-username">Display name:</label></td><td><input type="text" id="dsq-openid-username" /></td></tr>';
		message += '<tr><td class="dsq-openid-submit" colspan="3"><input type="button" value="Sign in" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.startConnect();" /></td></tr>';
		message += "</table>";

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, 'Sign in using OpenID');
	};

	this.startConnect = function() {
		var isblank = function(str) {
			return /^\s*$/.test(str);
		};

		var openid_url = Dsq.$('dsq-openid-url').value;
		var username = Dsq.$('dsq-openid-username').value;

		if (isblank(openid_url)) {
			return;
		}

		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=500';
		var url = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/openid/begin/' + '?url=' + encodeURIComponent(openid_url) + '&username=' + encodeURIComponent(username);
		that._openidWindow = window.open(url, 'openidWindow', popupParams);
		that._openidInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeConnect = function() {
		if (that._openidWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._openidInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.Reaction = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.hide = function(id) {
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/hidereaction.js?' + 'reaction_id=' + id);
	};

	this.reportMissingReactions = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || !Dsq.jsonData.forum.reactions_enabled) {
			return;
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.queued) {
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('Your report has been received. The system will automatically search for new reactions; if any are found, they will be displayed on this comment thread.<br/><br/>Thank&nbsp;you.',
												 'Reported missing reactions');
			return;
		}

		Dsq.Utils.execScript(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/forums/jackandjillpolitics/queueurl.js');
	};
};

Dsq.CNN = function() {
	var obj = {};

	obj.authenticate = function() {
		var url = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + "/saml/cnn/try/";
		Dsq.Utils.postToUrl(url, {'target': document.location}, true);
	};

	return obj;
}();


if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) {
	(function() {
		DSQ_HEADER_AVATAR_RE = /<div class="dsq-header-avatar"(.*?)>/gim;
		Dsq.Templates.registerFilter('postPrependHeader', function(html, post_id) {
			// Add "onmouseout" for dsq-header-avatar for dropProfile
			// functionality since IE6 cannot use :hover.
			function _headerAvatarReplace(content, inner, _unused, html) {
				return '<div class="dsq-header-avatar" '
					+ inner
					+ ' onmouseout="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')">';
			}
			html = html.replace(DSQ_HEADER_AVATAR_RE, _headerAvatarReplace);
			return html;
		});
	})();
}





	// TODO: Move Seesmic code outside of the main script.  Don't let this script clobber the global namespace.
	if(typeof seesmic == 'undefined') { var seesmic = {}; }
	seesmic.widget = new function () {
		this.callback = function (data) {
			playerVersion = data.disqusplayer;
		};
	};

	
	var scriptEl = document.createElement('script');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('type', 'text/javascript');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('src', 'http://seesmic.com/version.js?callback=seesmic.widget.callback');
	document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(scriptEl);

	
	var scriptEl = document.createElement('script');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('type', 'text/javascript');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('src', 'http://media.disqus.com/javascript/library/swfobject.js');
	document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(scriptEl);

	function see_play_video(_videoUri, _add) {
		var swf = !!playerVersion ? playerVersion : 'http://seesmic.com/embeds/StandalonePlayer.swf';

		flashcontentDiv = Dsq.$(_videoUri + '_content');
		previewDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-seesmic-' + _videoUri + '_preview');
		hideDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-seesmic-' + _videoUri + '_hide');
		showDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-seesmic-' + _videoUri + '_show');
		if(_add) {
			// push flash widget
			var so = new SWFObject(swf, 'sotester', '300', '270', '9', '#000000');
			so.addVariable('video', _videoUri);
			so.addParam('allowFullScreen', 'true');
			so.addParam('allowScriptAccess','always');
			so.useExpressInstall('swfobject/expressinstall.swf');
			so.write(_videoUri + '_content');

			previewDiv.style.display = 'none';
			hideDiv.style.display = 'block';
			showDiv.style.display = 'none';
		}
		else {
			flashcontentDiv.innerHTML = '';
			previewDiv.style.display = 'block';
			hideDiv.style.display = 'none';
			showDiv.style.display = 'block';
		}
	};





(function() {
	//
	// Load theme.  This overrides the base templates with template functions
	// from the respective themes.
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-858095" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-858095">TruthSeeker</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858095" class="dsq-comment-message">When Ahmadinejad says Israel is a stinking corpse....trashtalk.  When Jesse says he wants to cut off Obama\'s nuts, it\'s trashtalk.  I\'m not mad at Jesse;  in fact, I\'m kinda amused by this.  Good grief, can we move on world?  Really, to see Tamryn trying to analyze "cut off his nuts" as Jesse wanting to go after Obama.  Oh, for Chrissakes!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-858225" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-858225">taritac</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858225" class="dsq-comment-message">Of course, personal responsibility, community action, and government action are not mutually exclusive. But that goes for everyone and every issue in the country. If Obama wants to talk about fatherhood, he needs to address it to everyone instead of perpetuating an already negative perception others have. Black people have made tremendous strides under incredibly adverse situations, but we still are lectured and patronized by people who ought to know better. We\'ve gotten these same damn lectures for 30-odd years with little to no effect other than to paint us all with the same brush.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-858446" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-858446" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-858446">TruthSeeker</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-858446" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858446" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'ve been nibbling at the edges of this issue for a couple weeks now, not really getting to the root of what bothers me about it. <br><br>I think the thing is, that when blacks are associated with an issue like fatherlessnes, there\'s the implication that there\'s something inherent or unique about blacks that makes them poor fathers.  The implication is that we are operating on an even playing field, and that if blacks can\'t make it work, then there must be something wrong with us, genetically.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-858563" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-858563" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-858563">taritac</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-858563" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858563" class="dsq-comment-message">It\'s a recurrent meme throughout US history-- there is something pathologically wrong with Black people as a whole. We have to answer for every negative thing that happens to us or that some of us do.<br><br>No one lectures poor White people about absentee fathers, drug abuse, drug dealing, education, or welfare, even though they participate in these activities in rates that rival poor Blacks. It\'s not a <i>White</i> problem when they do it, but somehow it\'s a Black problem when we do it.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-860796" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-860796">jelana</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-860796" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-860796" class="dsq-comment-message">I understand exactly what you are saying--If you\'re white you\'re alright.<br>But on the other hand, elite whites  could care less about the white poor.<br>That is why no white President, Senator, Congress person, or any other<br>person of leadership ever speaks of this.    You see how they refer to them<br>as ethnic whites and distance themselves from them.  The white poor are only considered to be white when their votes are needed.<br>votes are needed</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-858542" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-858542" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-858542">TruthSeeker</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858542" class="dsq-comment-message">I think what needs to happen first is birth control.<br><br>Condoms, condoms, condoms.  Access to all birth control methods and reproductive health care.  None of this faith-based abstinence crap.  Solid, scientifically based reproductive counselling/education starting at a fairly early age.<br><br>Of course, for that to happen there needs to be access to health care.  Free clinics with qualified counsellors and doctors.  Confidentiality.  Access to free birth control for those who can\'t afford to pay.<br><br>In addition, kids need to be taught financial planning in school and college.  They need to understand the realities of the cost of raising a family.  They need to know the consequences of child support payments and custody issues.<br><br>This would be a start in equipping young adults to talk about and take seriously the business of parenting.  They can then make decisions about whether they really want to become parents.  Men can be honest upfront about their willingness to take on the responsibility.<br><br>That would be a start.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-858596" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-858596" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-858596">taritac</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858596" class="dsq-comment-message">I think poverty is the problem. I have cousins who are single mothers. Those who come from middle class backgrounds with educated, career-oriented parents do fine. Their kids are well adjusted, they are home-owners, they have careers. Those who come from poor backgrounds, not surprisingly, don\'t do as well.<br><br>Birth control, drug use, education are key, but only nibble around the edges of the problem, IMO. The root is poverty and lack of opportunity.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-860071" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-860071">Tia</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-860071" class="dsq-comment-message">Men tend to say things \'in the heat of the moment\'. I have a daughter as a result of that..LOL! I wish someone had come to me sooner with some \'faith based initiative crap\'. Life being as it is she is the light of my life and h*&* no its not been easy...<br>When I thought I wanted to terminate my pregnancy I was shown a very vived film on an actual abortion taking place. Plan Parenthood made a billion dollars last year and 115 million left over. This is tax payers money clinics cant get a decent grant from the government to save lives.....<br><br>Anyway. I agree with sexual education being taught very early BUT from the perspective that abstinence is the best way to protect yourself from diseases headache and heartaches. If a rubber can only protect from a disease and even thats not 100%.   My daughter is in her third year as a pre med student and still abstinent. I have open conversations with her (much to her embarrassment)she sees alot first hand working in a womens health clinic....<br><br>Single parenting is not easy, her dads family always knew where I was in case they wanted a relationship with her. That does not always work either. <br><br>Jessie Jackson is so irrelevant to the community now. He knew exactly what he was saying period. He apologized because he got caught is all.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-860616">TruthSeeker</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-860616" class="dsq-comment-message">Tia,<br><br>Religion has been trying to control the sex drive from day one.  Here we are in the 21st century and they\'re still at war with biology.  Religion is still trying to control homosexuality...they\'ve been failing for centuries.  In the war between religion and biology, biology will always win....thankfully!  But, I do give religion points for optimism..or stupidity.  The sex drive cannot be controlled by outside forces, lessons, parables or religious texts.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-858704">kalamu</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858704" class="dsq-comment-message">the issue is simple. rev. jesse jackson fathered a child with a woman other than his wife while he was married. <br><br>obama said brothers got to man up on the fatherhood issue. rev. jackson whispers he wants to cut obama\'s testicles. a hit dog will holler. a scared dog will whisper. jesse wanted to be the first black president. still does. <br><br>like many, many long time black politicians, rev. is mad cause, from their point of view, obama not only jumped to the head of the line, when they think he should have waited his turn, but obama looks like he is going to win. <br><br>rev. took obama\'s speech as a personal critique. it\'s plain as day even though many people are acting like that\'s not the subtext when clearly it is. read jesse jackson jr.\'s response again. this is not only a generational debate, not only hurt feelings by the old guard, but also a very personal expose of our public failed black manhood in terms of fatherhood. sure there are many of us who are living up to our responsibility but we\'re not the ones hollering (or whispering) mad at obama! stop, jesse, stop. your race is over. let\'s move on.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-858831" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-858831">TruthSeeker</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858831" class="dsq-comment-message">You\'re onto something there.  Was it Jesse jr\'s mother that Jesse sr. cheated on?  I guess Jesse might have been personally embarrassed by what Obama said.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-858832">taritac</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858832" class="dsq-comment-message">Wow, I don\'t see this from Jesse at all. Jack White, referenced by NMP, says pretty much the same thing you do, but I totally disagree. I haven\'t seen any sort of resentment from Jesse. His actions and words have been nothing but supportive of Barack. <br><br>It\'s strange that White pits Obama as being "The Man," but criticizes Jesse for disagreeing with Obama. I don\'t care what color "The Man" who unfairly stereotypes us is, quite frankly, and Jesse wasn\'t pulling a Tavis Smiley-type, public hissy fit about Obama not cow-towing to him. He was expressing dismay in what he thought were off-the-record comments.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-858836" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-858836" href="http://craighickman.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CraigHickman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-858836" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858836" class="dsq-comment-message">A Black male <i>Washington Times</i> reporter said as much just a few hours ago on MSNBC.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859036">GreenLadyHere</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859036" class="dsq-comment-message">Kalamu:  AGREED!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-859788" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859788">Sepia</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859788" class="dsq-comment-message">Most definitely!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-858727" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-858727">NMP</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858727" class="dsq-comment-message">Great piece by Jack White over at the Root, "When the Man Is One of Us"  <a href="http://www.theroot.com/id/47225" rel="nofollow">http://www.theroot.com/id/47225</a><br><br>Money quote: "We are simply not accustomed to one of our own playing real, power politics. "  I think this speaks to some black folks and white liberals alike.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-858827" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-858827">RonnieB</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858827" class="dsq-comment-message">When <b>wanting</b> to be a father to your child is no longer an instinctive human trait, but a social decision based upon nuanced criteria ...<br><br>then we got some serious cultural problems, y\'all.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-858844" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-858844" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-858844">TruthSeeker</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858844" class="dsq-comment-message">Is is really an instinctive, human trait though?  I know there are chemicals involved in bonding a woman to her child...but can the same be said for men?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-860048">RonnieB</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-860048" class="dsq-comment-message">If we\'re talking a 17-year-old <i>boy</i>, then maybe you\'re right.  He\'s likely not going to feel that strong desire to be his child\'s father.<br><br>A grown and emotionally developed <i>man</i> on the other hand ...</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-860647" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-860647">TruthSeeker</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-860647" class="dsq-comment-message">Emotional development is hard to measure.  What is the emotional difference between a 30 year old man who sticks around and one who leaves.  You seem to suggest that there is an age component by saying a 17 year old...but in my example,  the 30 year old is behaving like the 17 year old.  So, age and time have nothing to do with it.  Emotional development is not an exact science and can\'t be measured.  It seems arbitrary.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-858829" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-858829">Nita</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858829" class="dsq-comment-message">taritac wrote, "If Obama wants to talk about fatherhood, he needs to address it to everyone instead of perpetuating an already negative perception others have."<br><br>Everybody else doesn\'t have a 69% illegitimacy rate.  Blacks have special situations, and not all of those situations are somebody else\'s fault.  We need to get it together, and we have not gotten it together by keeping it on the low low.  69% illegitimacy rate should always be unacceptable.  Black men *and* black women are at fault, here.<br><br>My understanding of Jesse\'s \'cut his nuts off\' comment was that he was mad that Obama asked black people -- specifically, black men -- to take responsibility for their actions, when society doesn\'t give options that allow black men to make better moral choices.  That\'s how I understood Jesse\'s explanation.    I think we need to move away from that. Yes, acknowledge the sins of culture, but also strive NOT to allow that to be the final answer -- because that becomes an excuse, and instead of trying to fight the system, we got too many brothers *and* sisters saying \'why should I try in the first place?\'<br><br>My own question is, why is black fatherhood raising so much of a ruckus.... and not black (alleged) refusal to deal with black community hyprocisy towards AIDS and gays and STDs and sex in general?  Everything Obama is doing and saying is consistent, and they ALL tie together.  But suddenly Obama is \'bad news\' for putting black men on blast for not taking care of their responsibilities to that tune of 69% illegitimacy rate.  A number which includes Jesse Jackson and Bill Cosby themselves, for hitting their mistresses raw (NASTY!) and then for Jesse embezzling money to pay her off and her spawn off.<br><br>I think black folk need to grow up and accept the water splashed in the face. And those black men who are offended, need to look in the mirror.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-858862" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-858862" href="http://craighickman.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CraigHickman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858862" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>A number which includes Jesse Jackson and Bill Cosby themselves, for hitting their mistresses raw (NASTY!) and then for Jesse embezzling money to pay her off and her spawn off.</i><br><br>::<br><br>No you didn\'t say raw.  ;)<br><br>What was TruthSpeaker saying about birth control? Safer sex education as PRACTICE not rhetoric?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-858865" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-858865" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-858865">taritac</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-858865" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858865" class="dsq-comment-message">I could accept your comments that we need to "accept the water splashed in the face," if this were the first time these thoughts had been expressed. <br><br>Furthermore, we\'ve said time and again that Obama is not the president of Black America. If he wants to lecture White people about their divorce rate or their drinking or their racism or their meth use, then maybe there is an argument that Obama can lecture Blacks. I don\'t appreciate our people being used to score political points.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-860007" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-860007" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-860007" href="http://craighickman.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CraigHickman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-860007" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-860007" class="dsq-comment-message">But that\'s not Barack\'s intent and anyone who has paid any attention to him for more than a minute knows it.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-861458" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-861458" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-861458">taritac</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-861458" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-861458" class="dsq-comment-message">I think it is his intent. And I have been paying attention to him for more than a minute.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-858859">pjamma</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858859" class="dsq-comment-message">B-Serious I posted the statistics in other threads so this may seem repetitive:<br><br>The nation\'s out-of-wedlock birth rate is 38%. Among white children, 28% are now born to a single mother; among Hispanic children it is 50% and reaches a chilling, disorienting peak of 71% for black children. According to the National Center for Health Statistics, nearly a quarter of America\'s white children (22%) do not have any male in their homes; nearly a third (31%) of Hispanic children and over half of black children (56%) are fatherless.<br><br>This represents a dramatic shift in American life. In the early 1960s, only 2.3% of white children and 24% of black children were born to a single mom. <br><br><br>Rhondacoca posted a  link to a Newsweek article in the LOL..thread  that asserts that just because the man is not physically  in the home he could still be a great father.  There is some truth to this, however the statistics on this group is hard to determine.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-858902">taritac</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858902" class="dsq-comment-message">Show me where lecturing a group of people has any effect on any of the issues you mentioned.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859015">pjamma</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-859015" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859015" class="dsq-comment-message">I was responding to B-Serious\' question to whether the statistics are true and if they are then what should or can we do about it/them. So I posted the statistics to set a base for the discussion.<br><br>I don\'t know how effective lecturing is on the group because I don\'t have access to any measured stats the reflect this.<br><br>Also, for me to evan want to research those stats I would have to believe someone was "lecturing" which I don\'t see as the case.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-858943">Nita</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858943" class="dsq-comment-message">TruthSeeker wrote, "  When Ahmadinejad says Israel is a stinking corpse....trashtalk. When Jesse says he wants to cut off Obama\'s nuts, it\'s trashtalk."<br><br>I don\'t know.  Israel and Iran are mortal enemies.<br><br>Jesse should never be the mortal enemy of Obama.  Maybe it is a \'white men can\'t jump\' situation, instead, where Jesse and Obama are hustling fools by only pretending... but it doesn\'t feel like it.  I think Kalamu is onto something personal regarding Jesse\' crab-barreling.  I hope it doesn\'t have anything to do with white supporters and Jesse and Obama.<br><br>And RonnieB, you\'re right.  But what\'s the fix?  How to make marriage and family planning attractive (again)?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-858971">pjamma</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-858971" class="dsq-comment-message">moved...</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-859022" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859022">kate03</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859022" class="dsq-comment-message">pjama, your stat\'s are interesting, but for me, they don\'t break down into other factors that might affect those statistics, such as the injustice system, or even child support payments that are taken by the state if a woman is receiving assistance.  I think more information is needed. <br>I am single mother,white, 2 children, and I am able to support myself today in a way that many woman would not have been able to in the 1960\'s. My grandfather was either absent or a burden, my grandmother was actually relieved when he died, it was less of a struggle without him.<br>I think Obama\'s message should not have been directed at only one group of people, esp. because it doesn\'t address the other factors that play into it, and also, because fatherhood and the failure of the woman\'s movement to include men is something that  needs a lot more attention.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-859086" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859086">pjamma</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859086" class="dsq-comment-message">I understand your point an no these stats aren\'t perfect but they are the the best I found to use as a base.  If anyone else has better stats please post them.<br><br>As far as Obama\'s message (or the Fathers Day speech that most refer to) he mentioned African American once and black once in the span of three sentences within the entire speech.  The message is universal.  In my opinion.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-859118" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859118">taritac</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859118" class="dsq-comment-message">You may consider it to be universal, but the general consensus is that he was speaking to Black people, considering the venue and audience, and the fact that he mentioned us SPECIFICALLY in the speech.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-859179" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859179">pjamma</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859179" class="dsq-comment-message">If you take into the account that the venue was predominetly black and he mentions African American once and Black once in his speech then yes you can simplify it and say he was only speaking to blacks but if you listen to the speech or read the worlds everything in the speech could apply to any father who needs to better.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859322">GreenLadyHere</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859322" class="dsq-comment-message">kalamu:  Mine 2.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859424">msmartin</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859424" class="dsq-comment-message">Did he mention white or any other ethnicity, if not, once for black was too much!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-859461" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859461">pjamma</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859461" class="dsq-comment-message">Point taken.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-859103" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859103">taritac</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859103" class="dsq-comment-message">What is particularly telling, in my mind at least, are comments to criticisms about Jesse Jackson, Sr. and to Obama\'s speech on fatherhood from White people. Almost to a person, they are quick to praise his speech as finally "telling it like it is" to Black people and to spit in Jesse\'s eye, no matter where on the political spectrum they fall. It galls me that the one issue that Black and White people will "come together" on is Barack telling Black people what pieces of shit we are. If his speech wasn\'t a dog whistle, I don\'t know what is.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-859201" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859201">pjamma</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-859201" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859201" class="dsq-comment-message">I think Black and White people can come together on the economy, healthcare, education, foreign policy  and what movie to see this weekend.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-859248" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859248">taritac</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859248" class="dsq-comment-message">;)</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-860909" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-860909">Plantsmantx</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-860909" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-860909" class="dsq-comment-message">"No matter where on the political spectrum they fall". That\'s a good point. I think P6 has it about right in this comment:<br><br>             "But it seems like he\'s just showing concern because he is NOT doing what is necessary to convince the people he\'s talking ABOUT. He\'s doing fine with the people he\'s talking TO". <br><br>It wasn\'t so much about Obama caring about see the people he was talking ABOUT do better as much as it was about looking better in the eyes of the people he was talking TO. And when you know he\'s fully aware of the effect of that kind of talk on the people he\'s talking to (tarring of all blacks with one brush) it\'s unacceptable. No, he\'s NOT running for President of Black America, and his success or failure is not mine. It\'s his. So there\'s no possible way that my critisizing him can be construed as me "being afraid of success".</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-859129" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859129">kate03</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859129" class="dsq-comment-message">pjamma, I think the message is universal too. But the message becomes what the media interprets it as , and I think it does play into stereotypes. It is Obama\'s story too,<br>he owns that experience or I don\'t think he would be able to say it. Yeah, I would love to<br>hear if anyone else has a breakdown of these statistics. Single women can do a great job if they have the resources, but our children are all lumped together as if they are doomed to fail.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-859132" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859132">barry4potus</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859132" class="dsq-comment-message">does anybody remember when bill cosby made those statments a couple of years ago that the good rev cried because he said that it was time for someone to say something like that</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-859186" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859186">taritac</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859186" class="dsq-comment-message">Exactly. Jesse sees Obama\'s comments like I do, as a dog whistle to White people. He knows Obama didn\'t say that stuff for our benefit. He said it to solidify his standing with White people.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859173">kate03</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859173" class="dsq-comment-message">taritac, I agree that white people use that speech as a "good for him" kinda thing.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-859273" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-859273" href="http://www.bigassbelle.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">bigassbelle</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859273" class="dsq-comment-message">when we still live in a world where a white ex-con has a better chance of getting a job than a black high school graduate, there\'s something really wrong with that world.<br><br>all families have been in trouble for some time now, with the divorce rate edging 50% in a lot of places. that\'s a fact.<br><br>we have had a welfare system for 60-70 years now that discourages two-parent families. in order to collect benefits in most states, the parents of a child can\'t be living together. <br><br>if, because of a lack of opportunity, institutionalized discrimination, and a criminal justice system that\'s heavily weighted toward locking up young african american men as soon as possible, if it\'s almost overwhelmingly difficult to keep it together and provide for a family and the only HELP available requires the destruction of that family unit, isn\'t that pretty fucked up?<br><br>i am not excusing anything or absolving anyone of taking personal responsibility. one of the greatest factors that i observed in 16 years of child welfare and juvenile justice work was drug/alcohol addiction or abuse and the effects of that are so widespread and sometimes subtle, it\'s hard to get a grip on it.  but there again, if someone WANTS to deal with the problem, and there\'s no cost effective treatment available, isn\'t that pretty fucked up?<br><br>it seems ilke there\'s also a crazy kind of support among some folks that glorifes rampant male sexuality and looks upon the production of children as evidence of manhood. that needs to change and public shaming might be a good start.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-859586" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859586">taritac</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859586" class="dsq-comment-message">THANK YOU, bigassbelle. If we need any more proof as a society of how far we still have to go it\'s this:<br><i><blockquote><b>when we still live in a world where a white ex-con has a better chance of getting a job than a black high school graduate, there\'s something really wrong with that world.</i></blockquote></b><br>Not only that, but Black defendants get longer sentences than White ones for the same crime. Qualified people are passed over for jobs if they have a Black-sounding name. <br><br>No one is saying that personal responsibility is not essential to quality of life, but Obama\'s dog whistling totally lets America off the hook for persistent racism.<br><br>Bill Cosby said some things right, but when he says that Black people are wrong <i>for having funny names</i>, absolving those who discriminate based on someone\'s name, he is WRONG.<br><br>Our society is ready to lock a brother up in a heart beat and provide all KINDS of resources to make that happen, but won\'t put equal resources behind educating him or treating him for drug addiction. Undereducate him, underemploy him, lock him up, then castigate him for not being a good father.<br><br>I know people are tired of race or racism being an issue, but being tired of it doesn\'t make it disappear. Jesse keeps bringing the conversation back to society\'s responsibilities RIGHTLY, because society has a long way to go.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-860031" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-860031" href="http://craighickman.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CraigHickman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-860031" class="dsq-comment-message">No one is saying that personal responsibility is not essential to quality of life, but Obama\'s dog whistling totally lets America off the hook for persistent racism.<br><br>::<br><br>No it doesn\'t. For one, Barack\'s not dog whistling. He\'s speaking explicitly and  bluntly. And two, Barack hasn\'t let American off the hook for her persistent racism.<br><br>Again, for those of us who\'ve paid attention to Barack for more than a minute, we know this.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-860268" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-860268" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-860268">Michelle</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-860268" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-860268" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>for those of us who\'ve paid attention to Barack for more than a minute, we know this.</i><br><br>Paying close and careful attention (or not) is a big issue in all of this, IMO.<br><br>I just posted a comment in another thread here (I think it\'s another thread) that I think may be echoing your persistent focus on paying attention to where he\'s actually comig from.  I linked to another comment I wrote earlier  this week on someone else\'s diary on teh Kos, and I am going to link it here also (I already have it all dolled up as an embedded link anyway):<br><br><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/7/5/141534/5991/485#c485" rel="nofollow">"How do you know what you know?"</a></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-864479" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-864479">Town</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-864479" class="dsq-comment-message">Where were all these people crying about Obama talking down to black people when Bill Cosby was going on white talk show after white talk show to come down on black people?</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-859385" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859385">chiblkncarmel</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-859385" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859385" class="dsq-comment-message">I noticed the stats someone put on this board, but we have failed to recognize a few issues:<br>1) How accurate are the stats when in the sixties if an unwed girl got pregnant it was kept a secret and the child was adopted.  I would be really interested to find out how many white children lived in orphanages during the sixties.  I am sure if the truth was told that number would be higher.  <br>2) Just because you have a father in the home is not a guarantee that you have a positive environment.  We all know that spousal abuse is at a all-time high. <br>3) All of the numbers are unacceptable when it comes to children born out of wedlock or without a father.  Remove the percentages and give me actual numbers.  <br>4) And, how does Mr. Obama really believe his speech that their is only one America and not a red and blue, when he chooses to give speeches that he is pointing that finger at one specific group when it\'s an American issue?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-859444" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-859444" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859444">pjamma</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-859444" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859444" class="dsq-comment-message"><i> Remove the percentages and give me actual numbers. </i><br><br>Or you can apply the percentages to the number of babies in each group born in 2007, the year the data was based on.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-859500" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-859500" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859500">kate03</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-859500" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859500" class="dsq-comment-message">I wonder if the numbers for each group would be more close to each other if we added in total number of abortions?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-859865" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-859865" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-859865">RonnieB</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-859865" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-859865" class="dsq-comment-message">I don\'t give a fcuk how broke I become; how divorced I am; or how complex society is ... I\'m still going to <b>want</b> to be my kids\' father.  And if I <b>want</b> to be my kids\' father, my actions will reflect it.<br><br>Damn the excuses.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-860034" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-860034" href="http://craighickman.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CraigHickman</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-860034" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-860034" class="dsq-comment-message">Say it again.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-861120">jelana</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-861120" class="dsq-comment-message">Well said.  Part of the problem lies with the women also.  The women get pregnant<br>not understanding that the man has never told them that he wants them to be the mother of his children.  It is a lack of responsibility on both parents.  This is in a day and age where every conceivable method of birth control is readily available.  A lot of this is the result of babies having babies in the first place.  Children, most of the time  follow in their parents footsteps..  I agree with Truthseeker at the top of the page when she says this needs to be taught early.  However, the educational system is also in total disarray.  I watched a show on HBO about Douglass High School in Baltimore which completely depressed me.  When a parent is addicted to drugs, or can\'t read, or is incarcerated there is almost no hope for the children .<br>Our community is in such a mess, it is difficult to know where to start and what to do.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-863403" class="dsq-comment-message">You\'re right.  Girls bear equal responsibility here.  <br><br>You\'re also right that a critical part of our community is a mess, and we\'ve got to get to work.  The first thing to do is to openly and honestly acknowledge that there\'s a problem.  <br><br>For the last 3 decades, we\'ve treated this issue as dirty laundry not to be aired in the presence of Whites and others.  The reality, though, is that Whites and others are well aware of the issue; privately criticize us for not admitting it; and privately criticize us for doing little to fix it.  There\'s an entire argument that can be made about White people\'s hypocrisy in this regard--and I will make that in a separate post.<br><br>For now, though, the problem seems to be ours to solve.  And if the statistics are anywhere near accurate--70% of Black kids born out of wedlock??--we got work to do.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-860256" class="dsq-comment-message">B<br><br>I really appreciate this post.  There really is no right or wrong here just different perceptions.<br><br>I have a hard time wrapping my mind around this because as someone said here before, it\'s not just a black problem, if you crunch the numbers there are probably more absentee white dads than blacks as they are a much larger population.  I understand that the problem though affects  us is disproportionate (sp) numbers.<br><br>I would really like the label taken away because it is a people problem.  Responsibility though is either taught by parents or learned by the receptive.  What to do?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-860398">Slave Revolt</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-860398" class="dsq-comment-message">Please, the African American community faces problems that have different dynamics and contexts than other racial/ethnic groups.<br><br>Make no excuses for irresponsibility--but this is no \'genetic\' thing at all (no matter some white suprmacists that might want to frame it as such).<br><br>Indeed, I can relate to the hurt feelings and sensitivity on this issue, but let\'s be real.  Better community solidarity and guidance needs to be engaged, and it is hard to do this when the community is impoverished and fragmented.<br><br>The Black Panthers had some great ideas--but they were snuffed out by larger forces.<br><br>On topic:  I wouldn\'t be surprised if this whole dust-up was planned by Jesse and Barack.  If so, this is masterful politics.<br><br>Please, Jackson is savey enough to know that he was in enemy territory.  Anyway, the entire thing just seems too strange and awkward. <br><br>This allows Obama to show the nervous white community that he is not a prisoner to the traditional African American political leadership.<br><br>By the way, I think that the Reverend Wright situation was planned as well.<br><br>We are dealing with a masterful politician in the person of Barack Obama, the type that we haven\'t seen in our lifetimes.  I\'d put money on it.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-860435" class="dsq-comment-message">"On topic: I wouldn\'t be surprised if this whole dust-up was planned by Jesse and Barack. If so, this is masterful politics."<br><br><br>I think that\'s exactly what happened.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-864661" class="dsq-comment-message">I wouldn\'t be suprised. Because if it wasn\'t JJ is an idiot. Inarticulate yes, idiot no?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-870363" class="dsq-comment-message">yeah...i was sort of thinking that myself.  because, i mean, come ON... a "hot mic" in a FOX NEWS studio????   it\'s almost laughable.<br><br>and the rev. wright thing could have been a plan too (agreeing with slave revolt).  the timing was PERFECT, and barack and his team had to know that the media was never gonna let the wright stuff go.<br><br>damn, they\'re good!   :-)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-860763" class="dsq-comment-message">I have thought about the topic of the Black Family a lot. Not only because I have many close and dear to me who experiences those challenges that define the African American experience in this country, but also its impact on how the issue is perceived from a policy perspective and then reflected as a  "value system." <br><br>One issue as I see it has to do with the challenge of wanting to live up to an American dream and experiencing life chasing an ideal that may not be within reach. In this way I mean nuclear family, job that pays more than enough so as to not stress out, housing arrangements that reflect your maturity and nourish your safety both physical and mental. Poverty, and the experience of disproportionality  among African American poses an immense hurdle. The stress of not living up to an ideal is challenge and has lasting impact that span relationshps. I am NOT saying it is a worthy excuse. I\'m just trying to highlight the notion of an ideal.<br><br>Taking this idea further the role of the father in American society is idealized and reminiscent of a time that was oppressive to women and families, but this sexism ALSO affected men. Sexism has limited the ways that men are valued. For generations, the man was the hunter and the mother was the gatherer/ nurturer. In a society where sexism arguably has solidified the disenfranchisement of Black men (seeing as there more Black men in jail than enrolled in college,) it is clear that the ideal is not within reach for most Black men. Fast forward... if you cannot provide financially which is what most people see as the PRIMARY role of the father, any other contribution (time for example,) is not as valued and downright emasculating.<br><br>Another aspect  I think we often don\'t think about is the notion that many people are at a loss for mentoring relationships. This goes WAY beyond a role model. Bill Cosby can be a symbol but he wasn\'t ever there to encourage black men and women to consider the larger picture. What do you say to repair trust issues after a hurtful break up? What can men say to acknowledge they feel bad for not being able to contribute as much as they would like, but want a relationship anyway? Who can help young men (teen dads,) with defining manhood as the willingness to learn to brain your little girl\'s hair?<br><br>I know babies need to eat and that takes money, and I also know that you can\'t get blood from a stone...  If there is no money to give, how valued is just help walking the child home from school? The courts have reinforced this notion, for example withdrawing visitation if a father cannot pay child support.  There\'s an awesome book, a sociological study, called What It Means to be Daddy: Fatherhood for Black Men Living Away from Their Children (Jennifer Hamer)   that speaks to the issue I raised. <br><br>I think its worthwhile to raise the issue across the dinner tables... <br><br>That said, its time to rearticulate the "problem" by acknowledging that we are beefin\' about symptoms that are embedded in both racism and sexism.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-860908" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>and I also know that you can\'t get blood from a stone... If there is no money to give, how valued is just help walking the child home from school? </i><br><br>Evita, that brought tears to my eyes. It\'s so easy to forget what being a real daddy is about. It\'s love and relationship and affection, no matter how hard the times. <br><br>And you\'ve absolutely nailed it when you speak to the double-edged sexism that plays into this. Men are still primarily valued for what they financially contribute to a family. <br><br>And heaven forbid I make excuses, but when the world is set up to value men as the breadwinner, with the <i>bread</i> being the main thing, then the way that bread is earned is secondary. Coupled with the societal issues that truly do discount African American men AND the devastating loss of unions since Reagan, it\'s very difficult for many young men to provide through legitimate means.<br><br>IT\'S NOT AN EXCUSE if it\'s reality. And the reality doesn\'t mean that it\'s okay to do nothing. Sometimes it\'s lifechanging to just admit <i>This is the way things are</i> and <i>This is what you have to deal with</i> and that\'s the way life is and let\'s be pissed off for a bit about that and fight it every way we can, then pick ourselves up and dust off and keep trying. <br><br>To not be allowed to talk about what\'s really happening in this society in terms of racial discrimination, because HEAVEN FORBID WE NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY!!! closes off that avenue of discussion and leaves every individual completely separate and alone and feeling unworthy and as if the fault lies solely within them.<br><br>Sorry, but that\'s a classic right wing talking point and it\'s been incredibly effective in this country in the last 28 years. You are a success or you are not, and if you it\'s because of what you did and if you are not it\'s because of what you didn\'t do. Parts of that are true, but it completely discounts the FACTS of living in this society, right now, the US of racist A.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-861107" class="dsq-comment-message">I totally see your point Belle however taking responsibility is also raising our sons to be affectionate, nurturing, loving, and competent in areas that are generally regarded as feminine. I just hope we add this piece to discussion of what WE can do to positively contribute to the Black family/ community... Belle I would argue that there are many facts. The challenge is how we currently order them and its affect on us working together to raise a family.  <br><br>How would a woman feel if she was NOT the primary caregiver, and daddy was and she had to cut a check... You know the other side to the check issue is SOME men thinking if they pay the child support then they are absolved from other contributions (time, affection for the children, face time etc,) because they "handled their responsibility." <br><br>I don\'t want to oversimplify the issues. This is nuanced and complex stuff. I\'m just trying to highlight something I\'ve been thinking about...</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-861202" class="dsq-comment-message">And I\'m really just thanking you for adding much to something that occupies my thoughts a lot. When I worked in child welfare and juvenile justice, we were always on parents about taking care of a child\'s financial needs, far less so about meeting the child\'s emotional needs and the needs for time and connection with loving adults.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-861268" class="dsq-comment-message">How do you think we "create space" for this discussion? There are many parents who are focussed (understandably) on just getting dinner on the table?  But right now I\'m talking about the families who have dinner set, and the issue is disengaged parenting,  emotional unavailability ,and/or sexist notions of parenting that limit our own success...<br><br>I\'m up for a brainstorm.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-861678" class="dsq-comment-message">Disengagement, absolutely. And one way to create space is something I\'ve heard Obama talk about, and that\'s to shut off the television.<br><br>Where did I hear that?? Anyone?<br><br>I am convinced that a whole lot of our social problems today stem from the obsession with media and television and constant screen-related entertainment. <br><br>This is as good a summary as I could come up with:<br><br><a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003696397_tvee07.html" rel="nofollow">http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationwor...</a><br><br>Telling, I think, is the reason most often given for giving pre-school children their own televisions, because the parents and siblings want to watch their own stuff. Talk about disengaged!<br><br>A national campaign to get people to shut off the television would be welcome and I think it could impact a lot of things from school performance to delinquency.<br><br>I expect any such campaign would come smack up against the corporatocracy, which is heavily invested in marketing to youth. Getting Channel One out of the schools would be a great idea too. It increases the urge to consume and it decreases empathy. How messed up is that? <br><br>Limited television. More adult interaction. But of course you have to have real grownups who are interested in bettering themselves.<br><br>Too easy to numb out in front of the tube to escape. And that brings up the need to escape a life of hopelessness and limited opportunity, so it\'s kind of a vicious circle.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-863228" class="dsq-comment-message">Ok I hear you on the issue of television, but again this is a symptom of the problem.  Sure it is a problem, but it isn\'t THE problem. Moving backwards from TV watching- why do people cling to TV? Last night outside my apartment building there was like a pack of 8 kids running around the street (actually in the street!) and on scaffolding (!) at 11:30 at night.  The oldest was at best 12 years old. Now they weren\'t watching TV and I highly TV taught them to act a fool...<br><br>Where was mom (PLURAL)? Why did feel like it was ok to allow this? Why not have them at home?  I fee like you don\'t have to be trained to be a parent. If you don\'t know what structure and discipline is, you can\'t teach it or require it of others. <br><br>We are in a cycle (Parents who weren\'t parented,) and I do not believe people can step out of it without support, encouragement, and nurturence from a gang of people in an ONGOING way (not monthly appointments!) <br><br>By the way I refuse to blame our generation for this problems we experience today... we have had generations on the path.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-863578" class="dsq-comment-message">I would submit that American society constantly evolves.  In 3 short decades, we went from Ozzie and Harriet Nelson, to Cliff and Claire Huxtable.  And though the dynamics and roles of parenting evolves and changes, the <b>desire and duty</b> to be a parent always remains constant.   I realize that you were not offering an excuse for abdication of those duties; I just wanted to offer that toward the discussion.<br><br>If I may indulge the sexism dynamic.  If it\'s true that sexim indirectly affected Black men and their perceived value, then does it also hold true that sexism indirectly affected White men and their perceived value in society?  If so, then shouldn\'t we expect to see similar statistical trends in White fatherlessness?<br><br>I ask this while being mindful of the affects of racism and classism affecting Black men and women more than others.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-863897" href="http://blog.evavegadiversity.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">evita</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-863897" class="dsq-comment-message">I agree that the sexism dynamic does affect other groups, including whites however,  I believe the issue is compounded when we factor in class and race issues affected Black men. I know we can agree that Black men of a particular class status (though not exclusively) are under attack and have been since the 80s in unprecedented and incomparable ways.  And this is JJill.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-860781">Slave Revolt</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-860781" class="dsq-comment-message">And, msmartin, if this is the case, then I have to give some of the credit to the two Jesses, Sr. and Jr.<br><br>They ain\'t no dummies.<br><br>As pissed and disappointed as I was with Jessie, Sr.\'s \'love child\' affair,  I do admire the positions that he has advocated on myriad issues.  That said, he, like most African American leadership, did piss-poorly on the issue of Haiti, and the US sponsored attack on democracy in that nation.  Serial imperialism--where white supremacy is focused in a vile paternalistic manner for, literally, hundreds of years.<br><br>Sorry for the off-topic--I like Jesse very much, but he is, indeed, a politician.<br><br>By the way, yesterday I did some internet research on Nina Simone.  Incredible human being--smart, sassy, pissed off, and an artist that has few comparisons. <br><br>Some of the best folks they do their best to submerge from the forefront of our awareness.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-860900" class="dsq-comment-message">evita, nice comments.  I concur.<br><br>We also live in a corporate media culture that perpetuates stereotypes in very hurtful ways.<br><br>To me, Cosby, wanted desparately for all African Americans to personify the upper middle class lifestyle of his ideal television family--while eliding history and contexts.<br><br>When he chastised black folks giving their kids African names it really creeped me out, big time.   This signaled to me that he tends to embrace a type of Uncle Tomism, the type that is joined with the ideal of the family as defined by a white supremacist culture that is rendered almost invisible by its sheer ubiquity, the 24/7 corporate media culture where the stories of the upper middle class and white are given preference over other, equally legit and valid narratives. <br><br>The sound-bite media culture makes near impossible the deeper discussions and solidarity that is necessary to think-through and address problems that are critical to many communities.<br><br>When they off-shore jobs from already profitable companies to the third world, and the minimum wage doesn\'t keep pace with living expenses--and as companies slash health benefits and pensiions--this is the context that is missing from discussion of \'responsibility\' in the larger public discourse through which Obama must compete for his goal of belng elected president.<br><br>Indeed, as many young folks know, the deck is stacked against \'the people\'.  <br><br>Now it comes down to what folks do about it. <br><br>Watching television is NOT the answer--this subtle brainwashing is part of the problem.<br><br>Organize the community!<br><br>Side note: one of the Angola three has a chance of getting out of prison--why is this not being discussed?</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-860932" href="http://www.bigassbelle.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">bigassbelle</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-860932" class="dsq-comment-message">Watching television makes the problem worse. It reinforces this incredibly shallow and destructive consumer - entertainment culture we live in. I know people who are more involved with the lives of celebrities they\'ve never met than they are with their own children.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-860973" class="dsq-comment-message">And one more thing, because this topic really gets under my skin: Our society is dreadfully sick with the cult of wealth and celebrity. We admire those who <i>have</i>, without even knowing who they are or what they stand for. We look at the cars and clothes and jewels of celebrities and believe that if we just own those same cars and clothes and jewels we\'ll somehow be like them, we\'ll somehow be better than we are or were born to be. It\'s insane how trivialized our public discourse has become. Instead of looking to one another for relationship and community, we look to the stars and emulate their lives, identify with people we\'ve never met, with singers or movie stars or sports figures. <br><br>And it\'s not just kids, it\'s adults. Too many, too shallow, to meaningless an existence when there is so much work to be done trying to reclaim our nation, to come together to save ourselves. <br><br>We buy the advertising and the "lifestyle" and all of the bullshit that goes along with believing we are what we buy. And meanwhile the debt increases and the work hours grow longer and in the end, it\'s an empty, miserable, soulless existence waiting for the next fix of glitz, of glamour. Lord help us. Sorry for the rant.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-861008" href="http://www.bigassbelle.blogspot.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">bigassbelle</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-861008" class="dsq-comment-message">And then we freak out and can\'t <i>imagine</i> what got into those kids to steal that, to sell that, to do whatever they had to do to get the stuff we worship, the trappings of the wealth we hold up as the pinnacle of achievement of human life. <br><br>What the hell are people supposed to do? We set out this example ~ strive for this, for riches, for jewels, for cars and women and clothes and whatever because that makes you a man, makes you important ~ yet it\'s impossible for folks to get by legitimate means. We don\'t emphasize education, we emphasize wealth. Whatever it takes. The more money, the better. We glorify criminals if they\'re wealthy. We let white collar crimes go unpunished, hell we have a white house full of criminals and nothing happens to them. And they are rich. And they have the lifestyle. And they are famous. And what kind of a freaking message is that????? Oh, I need to hush up.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-863072" href="http://swamphermit.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Karmi</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-863072" class="dsq-comment-message">B-Serious…great post.<br><br>Nita mentioned - "69% illegitimacy rate" and/or 7 out of 10. Pjamma added – “(56%) are fatherless.” <br><br>Obama mentioned numbers, and also pointed to the serious problems, repercussions, and results from such…like  – “that children who grow up without a father are <b>five times</b> more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; <b>nine times</b> more likely to drop out of schools and <b>TWENTY</b> times more likely to end up in prison.” (BOLD added) <br><br>I lost count of how many times the word “white” (Jack White not included) was used in this thread. The numbers, percentages, and <b>RESULTS</b> are not going to be solved by <i>‘Pointing Fingers of Guilt’</i> at whites or the government, in the usual Jesse’s or Al’s fashion.<br><br>Raising kids ain’t easy, but personal responsibility has to start someplace, and that someplace is “Mom and Dad.” The Democrats’ themes of – “It Take a Village” and…“<b><i>From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!</i></b>” have already been tried by the former Soviet Union, Cuba, Red China, etc. and have proven unworkable. Socialist Europe is the next one to learn that lesson.<br><br>As to your question: The statistics look right. However, the “village” mentality of “<b>WE</b>” and “<b>OUR</b>” seems unworkable, especially without individual responsibility leading the way.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-863242">andyfrombrooklyn</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-863242" class="dsq-comment-message">establishing a collective understanding that children need to have  both mom and dad in the home is a good thing. if obama is playing politics here, at least he has chosen a worthy issue.  it is a coda that applies to all creeds.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-863469">RonnieB</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-863469" class="dsq-comment-message">Having stated earlier that the problem of absent Black fathers is ours to confess and repair, Whites and others who criticize us are quite the hypocrites for doing so.  <br><br>We\'ve all heard the constant criticism by Whites for our referring to ourselves as <i>African</i> Americans instead of just Americans.  But if we\'re all Americans, why is it that White and others view crime, poverty and absent fathers as a "Black" problem that we Black folk need to solve on our own?  If we all "one America", then it seems to me that America has a problem that all Americans have vested interest to solve.<br><br>White folks, your thoughts?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-865653">mitch</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-865653" class="dsq-comment-message">Ronnie,<br><br>You know the answer to this question.  And, this is the issue at hand and why folks are calling Obama on the carpet.  He using this tactic to validate his own Whiteness.  Yes, this might be a problem, but it\'s a problem facing all communities.  We just happened to have more people in poverty, which pushes our numbers higher.  Also, we have now heard this myth of the missing Black father for over a quarter of a century or more.  One night I literally counted how many of my chilhood friends lacked a father in the home.  Guess how many? <br>I only had two close friends with missing fathers.  The majority had fathers in the home.  The small few who lacked a father in the home knew their father and had a relationship with him.  I am now 40, so I decided to look at my nephew and nieces friends.  The majority of their friends had a father in the home or had a relationship with their fafher.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-870627" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-870627" href="http://swamphermit.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Karmi</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-870627" class="dsq-comment-message">Seems to me, that most <i>African</i>-Americans want their "cake and eat it" to...separately, and then expect to get any other cake in the vicinity...so to speak.<br><br>I must admit, that I find Obama\'s approach interesting, i.e. to point out the multipliers of the results of “missing” or the inactions of <b>any</b> fathers, e.g. "five time", "nine times", and "TWENTY times". The denial, sensitivity, defensive, and "Tender Sensibilities" habits need to be broken, e.g. Dallas County\'s Commissioner John Wiley Price and Judge Thomas Jones getting upset over the use of “black hole” by a white Commissioner. Sheesh!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-863710">Monica</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-863710" class="dsq-comment-message">I find it interesting that Jesse, Jr publicly scorned his father for insulting Barack Obama. <br><br>Where was his scorn when Rev Jackson humiliated his mother?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-865581">mitch</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-865581" class="dsq-comment-message">That is so true.  Money and power will make some folks say some crazy things.  And, Jesse Jr. looked foolish.  I might disagree with my mother or father, but I am not going stand in front of the entire world and diss my parent.  Just not.  My love for my parent overrides anything else.  I hate to say this, but if it was not for Jesse Sr. than Jessie Jr. would not be in the place he stands today.  I would kill to have the name of Jessie Jackson Jr. and the opportunities this guy has enjoyed because of his father\'s work.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-880009">rikyrah</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-880009" class="dsq-comment-message">I posted the link in another post from <a href="http://eurweb.com" rel="nofollow">eurweb.com</a> by Najee Ali, who puts out that he believes the \'rumor\' that it was Jr. who busted his father to the National Enquirer. Don\'t know if it was true, but even the premise is deep. Greg Jones posted a link to the letter down below in this thread.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-865530">mitch</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-865530" class="dsq-comment-message">Obama mentioned numbers, and also pointed to the serious problems, repercussions, and results from such…like – “that children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of schools and TWENTY times more likely to end up in prison.” (BOLD added) <br><br>Let\'s be clear.  Poverty is mean and vicious.  Having a father in the home is not the be all and end all solution.  It takes more than just having a father in the home if he is unemployed, undereducated, and lacks real opportunity.  That is the issue at hand.  People continue to throw these stats out, which don\'t mean anything at this point.  We knew over forty years ago that this country was moving into this direction.  And, when Barack starts using these stats and presenting his situtation as similiar to Black children in the inner city--it\'s a joke.  First, his mother had a support system.  She had two White parents.  Secondly, he grew up fairly middle-class and seemed to lacked for very little. Check out his schooling in Hiawai. He lived in a insulated bubble, and I am not sure how much understanding and compassion he has for the situation.  He can chant I was a community organizer, but I have met several shrewd and self-centered organizers (White and Black) in Chicago.  These folks are in the game for themselves and could careless about anyone else.  I am not sure where Obama fits in, but my gut is telling me to be aware.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-865920">marie</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-865920" class="dsq-comment-message">Don\'t worry folks "John McCain" cares about your needs. Once McCain becomes president he and all the republicans will finaly starting addressing the issues that effect us.<br><br> Unlike Obama, McCain will make sure to never mention any problems hurting the Black community. McCain knows such talk will embarass the Black Community and that should never happen. The best thing to do is for Obama to shut his mouth and ignore all Black issues. Just like Whites have been doing for years.<br><br>Vote McCain 08</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-866719">Acanthus</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-866719" class="dsq-comment-message">"As to your question: The statistics look right. However, the “village” mentality of “WE” and “OUR” seems unworkable, especially without individual responsibility leading the way."<br><br>Well, the thing is, WE really don\'t have a "We" and "OUR" attitude, as a practical matter. In fact, we\'re the only people who have allowed ourselves to be duped into not actually practicing a "WE" and "OUR" attitude. The world works on the principle of group competition. It\'s not that we don\'t know that, it\'s just that we\'re the only ones who have been convinced that it\'s wrong to want to be that way. Meanwhile, every other people in this country is SAYING it\'s wrong, but behaving otherwise. Kari is a white advocate, and every letter of every comment she types here represents her advocating for and competing on behalf of her people and her culture. Objectively, there\'s nothing wrong with that. We have to stop thinking that there\'s something wrong with US doing the same thing.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-866763">Liz</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-866763" class="dsq-comment-message">If Obama had advocated two parent families, or three parent families, or families with more than one parental figure, I\'d have been satisfied, as long as he wasn\'t simultaneously pointing specifically at Black families. But the underlying assumption that families,  good families, consist of one mom, one dad and their offspring is out dated and short sighted. Kids need parenting for sure. Single parenting is hard, for sure. But two moms or two dads are just as good as a mom and a dad. The underlying assumption of heterosexual superiority us unjustifiable in this day and age.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-867971">RonnieB</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-867971" class="dsq-comment-message">A mother and father is "outdated"??<br><br>Good gawd.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-869726" href="http://www.ourvoices.wordpress.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Tish</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-869726" class="dsq-comment-message">I already have this great disgust for Jesse (and Al) so this recent "blunder" just adds to my list of reasons why those two get on my list nerve. An apology without merit is pointless in my opinion. <br><br>When will the rest of the nation understand that Jesse (and Al) do not speak for Black Americans?  These two are so far from the point and issues at hand that it seriously sickens me that they have the platforms that that do to speak their nonsense.<br><br>I don\'t expect anything out of Jesse (and Al) and wish they would go ahead and pack up their glad rags and retire from ever speaking in public. They put the Black race behind 5-10 years every time they speak.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-869889">Liz</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-869889" class="dsq-comment-message">RonniB- the concept of a mother and a father as the ONLY viable parental dyad is outdated and damaging to the hundreds of thousands of gay families in the United States who are functioning at least as well as heterosexual ones.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-871317" href="http://nquest2xl.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Nquest</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-871317" class="dsq-comment-message">Barack Obama has some internalized racism issues and that\'s what causes him to "talk down to Black people."   He perpetuates, if not believes, the same stereotypes Whites who have no concern or connection to the Black community do and that kind of internalized racism is pervasive or there\'s a lot of Black people who buy into the same kind of bs based stereotypes Obama increasingly barfs out his mouth.<br><br>In 2004, he was trading in them stereotypes.  Change and convention are mutually exclusive and the stereotypes Obama specializes in are those that are part of the racist and internalized racist conventions Blacks and Whites buy into.<br><br>Obama needs to know his role. He\'s a politician.  His business is politics.  His role is to talk about, push and, as president, implement policies.  No more.  No less.<br><br>And Taritac is showing the hypocrisy of posters here.  When it\'s time for Barack Obama to treat Black people like they he does every other demographic group and talk about POLICIES (personal responsibility isn\'t government policy) he intends to work on in the interest of that group then it was "he\'s not running for president of Black America."<br><br>So the message is Black people needn\'t think they should be respected or ever treated equal to others, much less rewarded for their support to politicians.  Most of the people quoting out of wedlock birth aren\'t intelligent enough or earnest enough to actually identify what makes that an issue.<br><br>I\'d like to see someone explain how those non-marriage numbers rose the way they did and Black poverty went the opposite direction.  Is that kind of surface level thinking that has Black people jumping at anything someone says that\'s doesn\'t speak well of the Black community.   That\'s why Obama\'s dumb azz (and you\'re a dumb mf when you believe) that "Acting White" stuff the way it\'s presented in the media.<br><br>I\'m like Al Sharpton.  Don\'t give me Republican or racist lite...  When I won\'t bs racist stereotypes about Black people I\'ll go to hardcore not trying to fake like they\'re something else racist.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-886614">mitch</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-886614" class="dsq-comment-message">Yes, I agree fully with what you are saying.  We have given Obama a free pass to run a mock over our community.  His job is to review and create policy.  I have yet to hear him speak critically of all the illegal aliens running over the border into this country.  He couches his talks on this subject within policy.  Now for some reason, Black folks are allowing him to say and do anything towards our own community.   Yes, we have a problem with unwed pregnancies, but from where I stand it\'s an issue across the board for all Americans.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-875090" href="http://www.Blacks4Barack.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Greg Jones</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-875090" class="dsq-comment-message">From Blacks4Barack:<br>MUST READ: New Article !<br><br>Is This Why Jesse Hates Obama ?<br>An Open Letter From Najee Ali<br><br>EXCERPT: “Over the years I have had the pleasure to spend several holidays with your daughter including Christmas, her birthday parties and other milestones in her life. I will never turn my back on Ashley her mom and their family. <br><br>Your daughter has never traveled or taken a trip with you, you have an annual birthday party in Beverly Hills every year…” <br><br>To read FULL LETTER VISIT:<br><a href="http://www.Blacks4Barack.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.Blacks4Barack.org</a><br>A Multi-Racial, Net/Grassroots org…Dedicated To Truth !<br><br>Obama news updates, photos, Celebs 4 Obama, volunteer info, videos, voter registration, Create-Your-Own Obama Logo (FREE), SpeakOut4Obama, Join B4B, Media Lies of the Week and Much More ! <br><br>p.s. Also, see B4B’s Official Obama Hater Watch</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-879892">mitch</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-879892" class="dsq-comment-message">Obama \'Won\'t Back Off One Bit\' on His Tough-Love Message<br>Email<br>Share<br><br>July 13, 2008 9:43 AM<br><br>ABC News\' Sunlen Miller reports: Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., says that he won’t back down on his “tough love” message to African Americans -– a subject that prompted Jesse Jackson\'s angry open-mic gaffe this past week.<br><br>Obama told reporters aboard his plane to San Diego that Americans need to recognize that there is a problem when more than a half of African American children are growing up without a father in the house.<br><br>“That is a problem and I won’t back up one bit in asserting that that’s a problem that we have to be honest about," he said.<br><br>Obama’s tough love message to African American fathers came most notably in a Fathers Day speech last month in which he told fathers that “any ol\' fool” could conceive a child –- but it takes a man to be father.<br><br>Many, including Jesse Jackson, took issue with the speech, and the manner in which Obama spoke to his audience. This week, Jackson sparked a controversy when Fox News Channel released a video in which Jackson was caught with a hot mic saying that Obama was “talking down to black people.”<br><br>Obama confirmed that Jackson’s feelings were well known to him before the tape was released –- communicated to him from Jackson himself.<br><br>“I had spoken to him before, a few days before what he said was released," Obama said, "and we had actually discussed some of the concerns he had raised about my fatherhood speech.”<br><br>Obama said that he told Jackson be believes that there are structural inequalities in the country that have to be dealt with.<br><br>“My argument is simply that it’s not an \'either-or\' proposition, it’s a \'both-and\' proposition," Obama said. "The government and society as a whole has an obligation to deal with poverty, particularly poverty that’s deep-rooted not just in the inner cities, but in rural communities all across America.”<br><br>Obama said his conversation with Jackson was not met with a lot of open resistance on the other end of the phone.<br><br>“In my conversation, I think it would be hard for him to disagree with that since many of the things I have said are the things that he has said in the past,” Obama said.<br><br>The presumptive Democratic nominee has since accepted Jackson’s apology for his remarks, but confirmed they have not spoken since the controversial tapes of Jackson were released.</div>\
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				var theme = (typeof disqus_frame_theme == 'undefined') ? 'default' : disqus_frame_theme;
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(Dsq.$(Dsq.Templates.addPostContainer), null, {theme: theme});
				// if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
			});
		} else {
			// DEPRECATED
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-post-add'));
		}
	}

	
	

	
	if(document.location.hash != '') {
		document.location.hash = document.location.hash.substring(1);
	}

	Dsq.Popup.showCookieMsgs();

	
	if(document.location.search != '' && location.hash != '#disqus_thread') {
		var reply_id = Dsq.Utils.getRequestParams().dsq;
		if(reply_id) { document.location.hash = 'comment-' + reply_id; }
	}

	
	if((typeof OB_Script != 'undefined') && (typeof OB_versionNum != 'undefined')) {
		if(navigator.userAgent.indexOf("Firefox") != -1) {
			if(window.frames['dsq-reply-frame']) {
				window.frames['dsq-reply-frame'].location = Dsq.Urls.REPLY + (new Date()).getTime() + '&f=jackandjillpolitics&t=the_aftermath_where_do_we_go_from_here&to_redirect=' + encodeURIComponent(window.location) + '&ifrs=' + encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css);
			}
		}
	}

	if (Dsq.jsonData.integration.theme == 4) {
		if (Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			Dsq.Realtime.initialize();
		}
	}

	



	window.ExecuteWhen = (function () {
	var obj = {}
	
	// Private
	var running = false;
	var timer = null;
	var pending = [];
	var startTimer = function() {
		running = true;
		timer = setInterval(obj.heartBeat, 100);
	};
	var stopTimer = function() {
		running = false;
		clearInterval(timer);
	};
	
	// Public
	obj.add = function (condition, code) {
		pending.push([condition,code]);
		this.heartBeat(); //!
		if (!running) {
			startTimer();
		}
	};
	obj.heartBeat = function() {
		if (!pending.length) {
			stopTimer();
		}
		var newPending = [];
		for (var i=0; i<pending.length; i++) {
			var cond = pending[i][0];
			var code = pending[i][1];
			// FIXME: if cond or code throw an error, they never get removed from pending
			if (cond()){
				code();
			}
			else {
				newPending.push([cond, code]);
			}
		}
		pending = newPending;
	};
	return obj;
})();

// also used in embed_thread.js:
window.fbIsReady = function () {return window.FB && FB.init;};
// NOTE: This script gets executed again without threadEl
//       set when we are loaded again as the fbc_receiver.
//       In this case, we don't need the hidden container.

if(!window.FB || !FB.init) {
	if(window.Dsq && Dsq.container) {
		// container is not present when init.js is loaded from an xd-receiver iframe; in this case,
		// we don't need the FB_HiddenContainer anyway.
		var fbDiv = document.createElement('div');
		fbDiv.id = "FB_HiddenContainer";	// Required or else FeatureLoader will execute a document.write.
		fbDiv.style.position = 'absolute';	// This is intentionally not setting display to none as this breaks
		fbDiv.style.top = '-10000px';		// Flash in Safari.
		fbDiv.style.left = '-10000px';
		fbDiv.style.width = '0px';
		fbDiv.style.height = '0px';
		Dsq.container.appendChild(fbDiv);
	}
	var fbJS = document.createElement('script');
	fbJS.type = "text/javascript";
	fbJS.src = "http://static.ak.connect.facebook.com/js/api_lib/v0.4/FeatureLoader.js.php";
	document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(fbJS);

	ExecuteWhen.add(window.fbIsReady,
		function () {
			// HACK: This is a workaround FBC's single domain limitation by
			//		 allowing sites to create multiple forums with different
			//		 Facebook API keys.  This must be used in conjunction with
			//		 disqus_facebook_forum (see authenticateFacebook).
			var facebook_api_key = 'bd6a8bc56f8eb204984f34b6fefe228d';
			if (typeof disqus_facebook_api_key != 'undefined') {
				facebook_api_key = disqus_facebook_api_key;
			}

			FB.init(facebook_api_key, window.facebookXdReceiverPath || null,
				{fetchSignedPublicSessionData: true});
		});
}


	


if(typeof(disqus_callback) == 'function') {
	var callback_params = Dsq.Utils.getRequestParams()['dsq_cbp'] || null;

	// We don't care about any errors in third-party code
	try {
		disqus_callback(callback_params);
	} catch (x) {
		if (typeof(console) != 'undefined' && typeof(console.log) == 'function') {
			// But it would be nice to let developers know about them
			console.log(x);
		}
		// pass
	}

	// HACK: We don't know if the callback wraps our container, which may
	// possibly result in a new DOM element.
	Dsq.container = document.getElementById('dsq-content');
}

})();




