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No other narrative could be told.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_19:51:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b8623e8e850161265a6267d83471b3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967667": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Correction:<br></br><br></br><br>I meant to say that, I am not really mad at Obama nor the church.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_19:52:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b8623e8e850161265a6267d83471b3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967668": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "First I would like to state that CNN is disgusting. They are so proud of their BREAKING NEWS STORZY that Barack is choosing to leave his church. I understand that EVERYTHING a person running for public office does is NEWS but dang CNN yall acting as if you found out the man has admitted to stealing the race!<br></br><br>Its his personal choice to leave the church. And this last scandal by the white pastor? I dont get it. Did Barack ever seek this guys endorsement?</br><br></br><br>PS: Barack is only 60 delegates away!!!!!!!</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:00:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "14c4ea2e1bde77dd98603ff3bd23bd7a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967669": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Please lets not sugar coat this. Obama threw Negroes under the bus AGAIN. One question, \"What good is a Black President if he will throw his race to the wayside to secure his position? The Black Agenda Report's critique of Barack Obama is sounding more and more valid. That's all I have to say. And yes, I'm still voting for this dude. Because I know what a McCain presidency means. But I ain't no Di#%ck Rider like the rest of the folk at Jack and Jill politics.<br></br><br>http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task;=view&id;=636&Itemid;=1</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:02:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "d2bea8a7cd00802a3b05a165c44b4e14", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967670": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "F-ck the APOLOGETICS:<br></br><br><a href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yonww0ayhis\" rel=\"nofollow\"><b>Divine Love Does Not Ask Family To Choose Between Family Members</b></a></br><br></br><br></br><br>And a FAMILY MEMBER who makes that choice...</br><br></br><br></br><br>What's the word, again?   </br><br></br><br><b>&gt;&gt;&gt;  UNACCEPTABLE !!!  &lt;&lt;&lt;</b></br><br></br><br>So stop excusing that bs!!!</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:11:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967671": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "non delusional,<br></br><br>If folks cared half as much about results as they did about throwing they fist up, we wouldn't even be here.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:13:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "84ce11ad4e30ba782433bb5bf24a077e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967672": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "No, we wouldn't be here if Obama didn't have too much NEGRO in him.<br></br><br>White folks say JUMP!  Obama is in the air, \"is this high enough?\"</br><br></br><br></br><br>UNACCEPTABLE!!!</br><br></br><br></br><br>Stop that Clinton-like blaming OTHER people besides Barack himself.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:16:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967673": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Oh come on ... LIKE WE REALLY DIDN'T SEE THIS ONE COMING.<br></br><br>Just knowing Trinity's Mission Statement (2) years ago,  Obama would have had to have addressed it or divest from it. I predicted he would leave his CHURCH Hook or by Crook and he pretty much was chased to (Capitol) Hill because of it.</br><br></br><br>I won't lie, I watched the Rev. Pfleger and found it funny, almost MAD TV/Livin' Color funny but I will also be honest and say what Rev. Michael Pfleger preached is what and how BLACK FOLK think and talk behind closed doors everyday about this election so for Black people to be up in arms and pointing fingers at the MEDIA, we all need to OWN UP and Keep It Real. The way Black folk talked, voted, turned on Black politicians, Super Delegates, Tavis Smiley, Julian Bond and many others we need to watch out for all those stones we are dropping in the Glass House.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:18:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "ef6d4700bb7594a79e2a41a8bb660570", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967674": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Well he finally cried Toby.<br></br><br>Now what will they want him to give up next week?  His black wife and children?  Denounce his black side?  What will it be?  It want stop at this.</br><br></br><br>Giving in to white guilt because a white man told the truth about a white woman.  Damn.</br><br></br><br>Maybe this is that surprise that Hillary was waiting for, not the one that everyone was expecting, but the one where black folks were told by a half-black man to kiss his ass, but vote for me anyway.</br><br></br><br>Obama just cried Toby.</br><br></br><br>Oh by the way, when was the last time anyone saw Obama at a majority Black town hall meeting?  Somebody help me out.</br><br></br><br>Toby, Toby!</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:20:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "555b9b929d53b153dec595af7090ac7a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967675": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "HaHa in here is packed with all the field negroes!!!<br></br><br>\"His black wife and children?\"</br><br></br><br>Michelle is next....they have been on her for a while.</br><br></br><br>It is a big fault of the media who distorted the situation and I cannot get over that.</br><br></br><br>Obama should have had forsight and been on this....he knew!</br><br></br><br>Black people are sitting around and allowing a lot to go on. I hope that they dont have to regret it.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:29:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b8623e8e850161265a6267d83471b3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967676": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Actually, Obama should have left the church when he started running for the US Senate.  I guess he figured because he was running against Alan Keyes that the black church wouldn't be an issue.<br></br><br>Two problems I have with Obama are this:</br><br></br><br>1)  He is too REACTIVE instead of PROACTIVE</br><br></br><br>2) He's a shape shifter; he becomes whatever the situation calls for</br><br></br><br></br><br>A) Too many times, stuff has broken out and Obama sits back and reacts and lets other people dictate the story.  In my opinion with this Trinity Church situation he shouldn't have run to Fox News and said he wasn't sitting there when Rev. Wright said those things.  That's going to come back to bite him.  One of those church members if not Rev. Wright himself is going to pop up in October and say that Obama is lying and he WAS sitting there.  Even if Obama truly WASN'T sitting there people have their minds made up and they will believe the church member or Rev. Wright before they believe Obama.</br><br></br><br>B), he should have said he does not agree with everything his pastor says and he stayed in the church because of the wonderful community outreach and positive impact they have on the youth or something like that.  IMO he did throw Rev. Wright under the bus FIRST with the race speech by describing him as a \"crazy uncle.\"</br><br></br><br>C)  With the flag pin issue, he should have said \"Hey, we are sending our troops over there with bad equipment, crappy living conditions, no relief for their mental health and when they come back we pretty much dismiss them and don't reward them for putting their lives on the line for us.  Treating the troops like crap is not patriotic.  Wearing a flag pin made in China has nothing to do with patriotism.</br><br></br><br>D) With the Michelle \"proud\" statements, they should have said, Hey with the rising price of gas, the deficit skyrocketing, crumbling infastructure, treating the troops like crap, sending jobs overseas, and letting our own American citizens drown while racing around the world to save everyone else, there hasn't been much to be proud of in the past 10 years.</br><br></br><br>But they sit back and react to stuff and let other people tell the story instead of telling their own story.  Then when they tell their own story, it's pretty much too late.</br><br></br><br></br><br>And what I mean by the shape shifter comment, he has a tendency to recreate himself to fit whatever the situation is at the time.    And I understand why he does that, but it goes hand in hand with criticism #1.</br><br></br><br></br><br>Having said all that, Trinity Church is now getting some air time and exposure at the expense of Barack Obama, so he needs to cut them loose.  I have often wondered what Michelle's original denomination is and wonder if they could check out some churches within that denomination because I really don't think the United Church of Christ is right for them.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:30:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "1cb6140180747707b601ebc52c1fcb5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967677": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Obama is scared of dealing with race. He just is. His blackness is a liability. That is why he stalled with the TUCC thing. It bite him hard. <br></br><br>Obama will be losing respect from many blacks for this move. I am getting calls right now.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:30:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b8623e8e850161265a6267d83471b3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967678": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hey JJP Family,<br></br><br>I've been missin ya'll, but the massa on my plantation(day job) has really kept me in the fields lately...if I can't escape to the north (or Cali), i'll be looking for a better plantation/massa/mistress in the very near future...</br><br></br><br>I know what it's like to leave your church after you've been a member for decades.  I left the church that I was literally born into after 30 years.  </br><br></br><br>It isn't easy.  It's heart-wrenching and if you've never done it, you can't begin to appreciate the uprooting...but once it's done, you ultimately realize that YOU HAD TO DO IT.</br><br></br><br>No doubt, UCC helped shape who Barack is...like my church helped shape me, but after a certain point, the Lord requires that we continue to grow/evolve and sometimes that growth requires a drastic CHANGE...We have to LEAVE to grow.</br><br></br><br>The Obamas are on their way to Washington, DC.  Their lives will be changed forever...and so will the lives of millions of Americans.</br><br></br><br>I'm sure that they will find an empowering church/congregation in the VA/MD suburbs when they are not \"officially\" worshipping at the National Cathedral.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:36:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "61b38052cdae3077225c223eee4a5ad9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967679": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Not sure how I feel about this.  This is slightly different from the Wright situation.  Wright is a man, but he's not the church.  This is an entire community that we're talking about.<br></br><br>I'm gonna wait to see his statement.  I'm cool with him leaving, but I hope he doesn't try to use this as his sister souljah moment.  He should just keep it short and simple. . .be respectful, state that they've gone separate ways and call it a day.  </br><br></br><br>Obama holds that church's reputation in the palm of his hands.  He should treat this with kid gloves.</br><br></br><br>Obama should have prepared for this waaay before he decided to run.  He brought the national spotlight to that church, not the other way around.  </br><br></br><br>At the same time, TUCC wasn't doing much to help out the situation.  But, then again, the church doesn't revolve around Obama's campaign.</br><br></br><br>The whole situation is really disappointing.  But there's a separation of church and state for a reason.  This is an example, and the racial double-standard only highlights the matter.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:37:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "d1a8e45844ef20a90904a65e60371f42", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967680": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<b>As I said, Obama should have left from when he knew he was running for president. he would have saved UCC the heartache.</b><br></br><br></br><br>And that's the very thing Obama APOLOGIST have no regard for.  It's rather ironic that dNA posted this because I got a standing challenge in response to his co-blogger's question:</br><br></br><br><b>Does Trinity United Church of Christ Want Obama to Win?</b></br><br></br><br>Not only does this ignores what Trinity has been subjected to from more than a year but it assumes that an Obama win actually means something worth shutting up for.</br><br></br><br>And, no, talking about what you HOPE he will do while in office like this \"jump Toby\" game will stop once he's in office... Well, that's stuff just isn't happening.</br><br></br><br></br><br><a href=\"http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/q109800.html\" rel=\"nofollow\"><b>A man can't ride your back unless it's bent.</b></a></br><br></br><br></br><br>Negro logic, \"these are the rules we play by in America\" NOT ACCEPTED and Obama's behavior is UNACCEPTABLE!</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:38:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967681": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"Having said all that, Trinity Church is now getting some air time and exposure at the expense of Barack Obama, so he needs to cut them loose.\"<br></br><br>They are not asking for it. There careers were destroyed due to Obama's candidacy. They cannot even have freedom in their own church. Who wants that? Exposure...air time...please. Wright was prominent and respected. Now he is Obama's ex-\"crazy uncle\" pastor. </br><br></br><br>If the media was to get hold of what people on this blog and other black blogs like to say then Obama would have to denounce us too. </br><br></br><br>Another press conference...</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:39:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b8623e8e850161265a6267d83471b3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967682": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The only coverage this is on Fox and Sean Hannity is giving his commentary and I've gotta say he is such an ass.  And Julie \"I'd rather be in Playboy\" Banderous is saying that it's \"all coming apart for Obama now\".  Whatever.  Major Garret just checked her though.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:44:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3b9a39f6bc38c0fc6082bf0373618c04", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967683": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Nquest-<br></br><br>I was saying that Obama should have left the church to save Trinity, Moss, Wright, Pfleger and the congregants from the character assassinations. I am with the church on this...not Obama. Wright career has been destroyed. The church has a bad name now. </br><br></br><br>I left the \"T\" of off \"UCC\". He should have saved them the heartache of having their church destroyed. </br><br></br><br>I know what they had to go through because of Obama's campaign. </br><br></br><br>I think you misunderstood my statement.</br><br></br><br>I am agreeing with you.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:45:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b8623e8e850161265a6267d83471b3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967684": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "He knew it was going to continually be used as an issue but put it off until the last possible minute. If Black people were more strategic in their voting and demanded better media representation then he would not have had to. One can argue it was 'wrong' of him to leave but what is the alternative? He appeals to a lot of evangelicals and there was an effort to demonize him - literally. That doesn't mean he won't go back after he's elected.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:47:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "1572c9b90152e199379cfb228c0cc759", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967685": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Obama did a press conference on this a few moments ago, it was live on CNN streaming. He addresses many of the concerns raised above in a thoughtful, direct, intelligent way and at NO POINT and by NO MEANS threw the church (or Black people) under any bus.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:53:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967686": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"That doesn't mean he won't go back after he's elected.\"<br></br><br></br><br>He's not invited. He better not walk back in. Not in my church.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:56:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "f8196abc4eed1f09b28cc223bd497673", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967687": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You ain't seen nothin' yet. As soon as Hillary is out of the way, Obama must start appeasing the centrists and the independents, the people who will actually decide the presidential election. <br></br><br>If he wins, soon thereafter he will earn the appellation, the white's NITWH-it. Tokenism will reach an all-time high, and if he screws up as president, the blame will be placed not on the Democrats, but squarely on the shoulders of all blacks.</br><br></br><br>Further, if Obama wins, racism will be declared dead and insignificant in this country because he will have proved that even a black can become president.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:57:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "76573e10787e4eb3738bc4e780b15989", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967688": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I can't believe people are arguing the merits of<br></br><br>Obama staying \"black enough\"</br><br></br><br>vs.</br><br></br><br>A McCain presidency</br><br></br><br>This is really absurd. From a moral standpoint, what's the difference between white folks making Obama jump through these loyalty hoops and us doing it?</br><br></br><br>Is Obama proposing policies that will put more black men in prison? Is he offering a health care plan no one can afford? Is he trying to troops in Iraq for a hundred years? Is he ordering torture, extraordinary rendition, or holding people without due process?</br><br></br><br>No, he left his church because it'll be easier for him to get elected that way. </br><br></br><br>People need to get over this black enough shit. Obama is a politician, not the second coming of Malcolm X. You elect politicians to enact responsible policies, not to be the moral vanguard. </br><br></br><br>I agree that he should have left Trinity at the beginning, but I doubt that would have quelled the firestorm, which was probably inevitable. He's probably leaving because of Father Pfleger, but the fact is this is better for Trinity in the long run. The way it stands there will still be people in the pews with recording devices until november. </br><br></br><br>The idea that Obama is \"scared of dealing with race\" though is absurd. You do realize he's running for president right?</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:57:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "84ce11ad4e30ba782433bb5bf24a077e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967689": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Non-delusional,<br></br><br>Your name is so appropro to this discussion and on point.</br><br></br><br>Yeah, we are all \"disappointed\", I'm not, I am just waiting for the next thing Obama will have to disavow.</br><br></br><br></br><br>Town,</br><br></br><br>You are so correct.  I thought it was just my imagination, but I have often wondered what his handlers are thinking by requiring that he submit himself to people who don't have his best interest at heart.  Is it to prove that he is not afraid to address them, but when he gets in front of these people he almost goes into shuffle mode.  When he is confronted with the fact that one focus group is not too keen on him he addresses them with his ideas in an attempt to get them on his side.</br><br></br><br>As I stated, I think he assumes wrongly that he has the Black vote all wrapped up and doesn't have to address our concerns, an assumption I think will come back to bite him in his ass.</br><br></br><br>If he has any thinking Black handlers they better speak up quickly and tell him he is showing his ass or he might be end for a rude awakening.  </br><br></br><br>Black folks don't like Toms, especially shuffling ones.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_20:58:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "555b9b929d53b153dec595af7090ac7a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967690": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<i>It's part of how race works that white people are seen as individuals, and black people are seen as representing one another as a whole. </i><br></br><br>I heard Eugene Robinson (the Washington Post columnist) say something like this a couple weeks back, and I was intrigued. I instantly knew I was guilty of that kind of thinking -- and even if, for me, it's mostly benign in outcome (or so I imagine), it's there. In the case of Rev. Wright and Barack Obama (whose candidacy I support), I imagined that Sen. Obama understood Rev. Wright, felt compassion for some of the things he'd been through, etc. etc. -- IOW, I imagined all kinds of complexity and nuance in their relationship, but I did not question for a second that they were close (or had been close) and were bound together in some way.</br><br></br><br>When Eugene Robinson said what he did, I flashed on John McCain and Pastor Hagee and realized that, even if McCain had been a member of Hagee's church, I would have started at a place where, if nothing else, I understood that McCain and Hagee were separate people, and my thinking about what the Hagee endorsement meant would have proceeded from that given. That was not the case with Obama and Wright. I started from a different place.</br><br></br><br>But as for him quitting the church now... doesn't it just seem like he could no longer really attend, given all the media attention that would have been focused on his doing so, and that that wouldn't be fair either to him and his family or to the church? I don't know. That's how it seems to me (without having given it a lot of thought). I hope it's not a big deal. Doesn't seem like it should be.</br><br></br><br>Meanwhile, to end on an up note: Chuck Todd said this afternoon on MSNBC, after the Rules & Bylaws Committee meeting was over: \"It's Barack Obama's party now.\" It was an amazing thing to hear.</br><br></br><br>And one more thing: There's been a lot of talk these days about how the Clintons know how to fight, if it'd been a Clinton instead of Gore in the Florida 2000 recount situation, they would've won, etc. etc. But you know what else I think we've seen over the last couple months? Barack Obama knows how to fight too. And I think we're in for a treat.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:04:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967691": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Rhonda, I wasn't disagreeing with you, just building off of your point which was a very fine and important point to make:  that Obama would have saved Trinity and, by extension, himself the heartache.<br></br><br>Now, in this sad saga (sad because both Wright and Obama played their roles), there are hard feelings all the way around and then you have Obama APOLOGISTS who apparently care nothing about the people of Trinity.  Apparently, they were supposed to \"shut up\" and be nice little sacrifices for the greater good that nobody can guarantee insomuch as what a president Obama would do especially in terms of things important to Black people.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:08:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967692": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "They are not asking for it. There careers were destroyed due to Obama's candidacy. They cannot even have freedom in their own church. Who wants that? Exposure...air time...please. Wright was prominent and respected. Now he is Obama's ex-\"crazy uncle\" pastor. <br>---------------</br><br></br><br>Trinity Church would have been all too glad to soak up exposure and publicity had the Rev. Wright tapes not been so damaging to themselves.  They would have been all too glad to bill themselves as the church of the next president of the US.</br><br></br><br>But now that the publicity is bad, they say \"We didn't want the exposure.\"</br><br></br><br>Of course they didn't want the exposure, because it shows them in a bad light.  People are questioning what they are doing and saying in that church.</br><br></br><br>So, knowing that they are being seen in a bad light, why in the world would they tape Father Pfleger mocking Hillary Clinton (even though it was damn funny and true, lol) and release the tape, knowing that it would be picked apart and discussed and denounced?  Why discuss Hillary Clinton?  There ain't no book of Hillary in the Bible!</br><br></br><br>See, this right now has nothing to do with Barack Obama.  You don't paint a target on your ass then complain when somebody shoots you in the ass.  Nobody was even thinking about Trinity Church for the past couple of weeks, everything had died down and they themselves mucked up the waters again for themselves.</br><br></br><br>Barack Obama's problem is he wants to please people and be liked, and that's going to be his downfall because you cannot please everyone.  He's trying to be liked by white people instead of nipping ish in the bud.  </br><br></br><br>Obama tried to have it both ways but you can't have it both ways.  He should have kept it real with himself back in '04 and quit Trinity Church when he ran for the US Senate or once he decided to run for President.  Running for an office where mostly white people will put you in requires that you make yourself as acceptable and palatable to TEHM as possible.  We know this, Obama knew this, but Obama tried to have it both ways.</br><br></br><br>Being a politician requires that you corrupt yourself to get that power.  We complain about Stephanie Tubbs Jones but is there really any difference between Tubbs Jones and Obama?  Or Obama and Clinton?  Or Obama and McCain?  All of them are lying, corrupting themselves, kissing ass so they can git that power!</br><br></br><br>Now Obama's quest for power isn't and shouldn't be Trinity's concern.  BUT  not drawing negative attention to themselves should be their concern, not because of Obama's candidacy, but because they need to protect and heal themselves from the onslaught they've been through this year, and mocking Hillary Clinton knowing the media is going to pick it up and discuss it is doing themselves a disservice.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:11:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "1cb6140180747707b601ebc52c1fcb5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967693": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "DNA<br></br><br>I hear you but we can be critical and disappointed if we like. I am still a supporter. If I was his advisor, it wouldnt have gotten this bad. If he was going to leave, he should have left from last year because he had to have known that it was coming. The church had to go through all of this. His move looks expedient to everyone. </br><br></br><br>Also, people have a right to agree and disagree. I am more mad at the media than anyone else.</br><br></br><br>I know what he has to do but that does not mean that I have to be happy about it. </br><br></br><br>I love how ppl like the bring up Malcolm X. Bring up MLK because he warned blacks aboiut the \"negro political leaders\". Duh...Obama is a politican. Why was everybody upset when Wright said it? Yet black use it to explain every move he makes in order to get elected.</br><br></br><br>I am support of Barack for everything else. However when it comes to certain things for example this...I do get upset. I also cannot stand the fact that his campaign in reactionary rather than proactive. I have been saying that for a while now.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:11:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b8623e8e850161265a6267d83471b3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967694": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Obama is running for the President of the whole United States not just the black interests of the United States though I think when he is in the position his policies will support the issues of the black community more then any other President before and way more then John McCain.  He will make compromises  and work with many different groups but this should not be a shock because he is running on a theme of change and inclusion.  And his past work in Chicago with underprivileged people in Chicago should not be forgotten.  It was not part of a grand plan to get him to this point and then disown everything he has stood for.  He is not an Uncle Tom.  He is not throwing anyone under the bus, and, specific to this thread, he is not disparaging TUCC who he praised during his press conference right now.<br></br><br></br><br></br><br>I</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:15:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3b9a39f6bc38c0fc6082bf0373618c04", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967695": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Town,<br></br><br>I didn't even bother to read the rest of the post.</br><br></br><br>There have been so many strangers in that church since the whole thing happened. Half the tapes that were originally played on the networks back in march were from a moblie phone. Which means that someone was in the church taping them. </br><br></br><br>Also Wright had a no-interview policy for a year until they dragged him in. Explain that.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:18:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b8623e8e850161265a6267d83471b3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967696": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Rhonda,<br></br><br>Fair enough, but I defended Wright plenty on this blog. It wasn't what he said but that he kept saying it when he knew what the results would be. </br><br></br><br>It's really not just the \"leaders\" we need to be concerned about. We need to be concerned about the very concept of black leadership, both how it's pursued and how we view its role in the community.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:19:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "84ce11ad4e30ba782433bb5bf24a077e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967697": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "dNA,<br></br><br>I can't believe you aren't intelligent enough to deal with the issue as a question of Obama's blackness.  But then you really don't have much to stand on so you might as well take the dummy route and set up a convenient straw-man.</br><br></br><br>Obama is getting and has gotten Black people's support.  WE ARE A WHOLE PEOPLE and any politician we support, Black, White or Polkadot must respect us FISTS and all.  But that's not the case here.</br><br></br><br>Asking Obama to stand on something and stand with people who have given him the strongest support he's gotten isn't and can't be reduced to nonsense of being \"black\" enough.  </br><br></br><br>Neither will a false choice of a f-cked up Obama and the specter of McSame help your APOLOGETICS.  It wasn't John Kerry's whiteness that was called into question when the FLIP FLOP issue was raised.</br><br></br><br>But I understand... labeling criticisms against Obama's lack of a position he'll stand on as questioning whether he's \"black enough\" must be the best that you can do.</br><br></br><br>And this has nothing to do with McCain.  What happens when he wins?  What?  He becomes McCain himself... blowing in the wind, doing anything to APPEASE enemies of his campaign/administration.</br><br></br><br>Again, the issue that just won't move is this assumption that an Obama win, especially one that goes down like this, would be worth \"shutting up\" for and viewing McCain as the \"accept Obama's bs\" boogeyman.</br><br></br><br></br><br>Surely you can come better than that.</br><br></br><br></br><br>Obama staying \"black enough\"</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:23:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967698": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Walking away isn't going to clear up or wash away his spending 20-years with a <i>'Group'</i> like that.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:31:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3da39b121dc85e9bd8d9f861782bc8b9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967699": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Pamela-<br></br><br>Duh...people please stop with that. Black people have never had their interests represented yet when we ask...we are being selfish. People can speak on a blog if they want!! We dont all have to shut up and be muzzled. Nobody is asking whites to compromise. We are on a blog expressing our frustrations. You will have to not be of this world to not know that Barack is running for President of the U.S. </br><br></br><br>My church's reputation is destroyed due to the way in which the media represented it. Whatever Barack has to say does not matter at this point. He is not a member anymore. </br><br></br><br>I have known Barack before anyone in here. I have known him since 1997. He is not the progressive he used to be. He is much different now. While I support him. I am careful and critical as I am with any politican. Why should we not be critical...because he is black? We should just nod.</br><br></br><br>Sorry not here.</br><br></br><br>People are sitting on the internet discussing my church. A church that they have never, ever been to in their lives!!! </br><br></br><br>Obama should have been in front of the story rather than behind it. Please put the blame where it belongs. Don't get mad at those who don't feel that they should just sit and nod. You are yet to know that black politicans have rarely properly represented their people. Look at the CBC. I have all right to agree and disagree with Barack. He better not turn into Harolf Ford Jr.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:31:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "f8196abc4eed1f09b28cc223bd497673", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967700": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<b>From a moral standpoint, what's the difference between white folks making Obama jump through these loyalty hoops and us doing it?</b><br></br><br>Show the actual equivalence instead of assume it like the unfounded assumption that an Obama win is something worth \"shutting up\" for.</br><br></br><br>Simply, make your actual argument because I have no idea what \"loyalty hoops\" you're talking about.  Don't presume such a FALSE CONSENSUS.  Maybe you jump through loyalty hoops you consider comparable to those Obama is triple jumping through but I have no idea what mine are.</br><br></br><br>Obama could very well have distanced himself without demonizing Rev. Wright, rattling off rhetoric that's riddled with contradictions, if not lies, and now doing what he accused Rev. Wright of doing:</br><br></br><br><b>\"giving comfort to those who prey on hate.\"</b></br><br></br><br>But Sean Hannity ain't that pleased even though he got just what he wanted out of Obama.  The contradictions are too obvious.  </br><br></br><br>But I guess Town's critique about Obama being too REACTIVE vs. PROACTIVE is a question of whether he's \"black enough.\"</br><br></br><br>LMBAO!!</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:34:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967701": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Can't say that I'm happy about this, but after the Father Pfleger incident, I'm not surprised. Just went through all of this yesterday listening to the radio, and still didn't know how I felt about it. I'm just sad about it, but I'm not sure when it would have been the ' right' time to leave the church.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:34:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "f85f4de88a30987f0360c336da9569ae", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967702": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The politics behind this is weird as well.<br></br><br>His public resignation makes this a big deal for the next news cycle.  People were already shifting they're attention away from Pfleger towards the RBC meeting.  This was already well on its way to being old news.</br><br></br><br>But now this is going to be a topic of discussion on all of the talk shows tomorrow morning.</br><br></br><br>I guess it helps in the long run.  There is absolutely nothing more that he can do to avoid further issues.</br><br></br><br>The only problem is this. . . his critics won't stop asking for more.  Just now, Fox News made sure to stress that he didn't specifically denounce the church.</br><br></br><br>He can't be all things to all people.  McCain and Hillary could care less what they're critics think about them.  But they work hard to motivate their base of support to get them where they need to be.</br><br></br><br>Obama needs to realize this really fast.  He can't continue this type of reactionary behavior in the general election.</br><br></br><br>He also needs to find some balance.  I love the fact that he strives to rise above division.  But you gotta fight sometimes.  Sometimes you gotta shove Hillary out of the race.  Sometimes you gotta flip off your critics and say you're done trying to explain yourself for things that other people say.</br><br></br><br>Otherwise you get distracted.</br><br></br><br>He should lock up the nomination this week.  After that he should be focusing on two things:  voter registration and GOTV.  Those are the two most important things he's got going at this point.  But I agree with those of you who say he needs to stop reacting to everything Hillary, Fox News and McCain throw his way.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:35:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "d1a8e45844ef20a90904a65e60371f42", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967703": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "When the Wright/Hagee foolishness was squashed, I actually expected Obama to stick with Trinity.<br></br><br>Enter Pflager.</br><br></br><br>I don't blame him for leaving, but now it becomes a question of judgement: did he exercise good judgement by leaving, or is it evidence of bad judgement by staying as long as he did?</br><br></br><br>Each side will spin it their own way. </br><br></br><br>I say neither: yeah, it was a political move-but some things just don't need questioning. It was a personal move as well, and one that probably came at great difficulty.</br><br></br><br>God help me, but he might get a pass from me on this.</br><br> </br><br>My understanding is the rest of UCC isn't like this.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:37:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "0183bc94f5be8b9ec79636f3f2174ff5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967704": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<b>Why was everybody upset when Wright said it?</b><br></br><br></br><br>Because Black folks still get their news and have their views shaped by the White instigating media.</br><br></br><br>Wright's \"politician\" statement was innocuous by any objective reading of it and the statement originated in the Moyer's interview everybody claimed was okay.  It was the NPC question that brought it back up, hoping something spin-able would come out of it and Black folk (some of ya'll) bought it hook, line and sinker right along with Obama's lyin' azz.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:39:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967705": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<i>The Black Agenda Report's critique of Barack Obama is sounding more and more valid. That's all I have to say. And yes, I'm still voting for this dude.</i><br></br><br>Yes, I am in the same boat with Non Delusional.  Y'all know how I feel when you put your ambition above God and the leaders that nurtured you.  I am, and always will be ambivalent about Obama and his distancing from his pastor and UCC, because he's running for President.</br><br></br><br>While he may have to compromise in some areas, one's faith should never been one of those areas.</br><br></br><br>And that's where I stand on this issue.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:41:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "ec01304ef170f657e87f409a510ddfde", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967706": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "b-serious:<br></br><br>The only reason he had a press conference about this was because he had given a letter to the TUCC congregation that CNN obtained and was about to do a story on.  He had talked it over with Rev. Moss and came to the decision after the lastest dust-up that it would be better for everybody if he just left.  He even admitted that he wasn't sure he was even going to bring it up to the press but since they had already seen the letter he felt he had to say something.</br><br></br><br>The whole thing makes me just sad as hell.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:45:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "445faca3de1ecaf24458e9e3edab3a2e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967707": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<i>Duh...people please stop with that. Black people have never had their interests represented yet when we ask...we are being selfish. People can speak on a blog if they want!! We dont all have to shut up and be muzzled. </i><br></br><br>Melissa- </br><br></br><br>Never told anyone not to speak, never tried to muzzle anyone.  I was just expressing my opinion which as you point out in your post I have ever right to do.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:45:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3b9a39f6bc38c0fc6082bf0373618c04", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967708": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Quotes for truth:<br></br><br><b>\"Wright had a no-interview policy for a year until they dragged him in...\"</b></br><br></br><br><b>\"...put your ambition above God and the leaders that nurtured you...\"</b></br><br></br><br><a href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yonww0ayhis\" rel=\"nofollow\">Divine Love Does Not Ask Family To Choose Between Family Members</a></br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:47:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967709": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Obama TRIED to stay with the church that had been a central part of his family life.  But...<br></br><br>His continued affiliation with Trinity was detrimental to everyone.</br><br></br><br>And, unless the man has been frontin' the whole time, the messages sent by Wright and Pfleger did not seem to align with his core beliefs.  Yeah, he might have giggled at bit like the rest of us.  But, he seems to be promoting inclusiveness and moving beyond our typical divisive b*s*.</br><br></br><br>The questions we have to ask ourselves are:</br><br></br><br>Are WE ready to move beyond the divisiveness?</br><br></br><br>What are WE ready to give up in order to do so?</br><br></br><br>Do we REALLY want him to be our next president?</br><br></br><br></br><br>Barack Obama (still a black Christian man) as President in '08!</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:51:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "096358f41d81404ad9105cea56713bb3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967710": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "There is no virtue in remaining with a denomination/faith that no longer represents your \"evolved\" values.  In fact, it's cowardice to stay.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:56:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "61b38052cdae3077225c223eee4a5ad9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967711": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I never said anyone should shut up, and I'm as entitled to my opinion as anyone else.  <br></br><br>I said Obama leaving Trinity is not towelhead behavior, and that he shouldn't have stayed at the expense of his campaign. I also don't see how Obama leaving Trinity = Obama betraying black folks, and I think that kind of symbolic politics is pointless. It would have been one thing if he talked about how their \"extremism\" was too much for them, but he didn't. He didn't badmouth the Church when he left, he just left. </br><br></br><br>More importantly, Trinity has a right to worship without Fox news sending in reporters to record sermons every weekend.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:57:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "84ce11ad4e30ba782433bb5bf24a077e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967712": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<b>You look at Pat Robertson and company and you realize white radicalism is utterly mainstream in a way that black radical politics never could be, whether they're even close to as extreme.</b><br></br><br>We are a whole people.  Whatever is mainstream to them should never have to be mainstream to us.</br><br></br><br>That's the reason to be upset not with this decision, per se, but with the fact that Obama treated the \"black radical politics\" he should be well acquainted with and even embraced to whatever extent by being a member of Trinity as if it had no place in America even Black America (see his post-NPC press conference).  </br><br></br><br>After all, he was told Trinity was just \"radical\" before he ever joined.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_21:58:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967713": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I also love that the only thing anyone has absorbed from BAR is the racialized critiques, the not so subtle jabs at his biraciality, the insistence that despite being the most left leaning candidate to get the nomination in decades, he's a house negro, rather than critiques of policy. <br></br><br></br><br>Obama \"betrayed the people who nurtured him.\" Please. Can someone explain to me how he would have honored them by staying?</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:00:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "84ce11ad4e30ba782433bb5bf24a077e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967714": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<b>It would have been one thing if he talked about how their \"extremism\" was too much for them, but he didn't. </b><br></br><br>Oh but <a href=\"http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/29/transcript-obama-press-conference-on-jeremiah-wright/\" rel=\"nofollow\">yes he did</a>.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:02:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967715": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "DNA,<br></br><br>Stop personalizing the \"jabs at his bi-racialness\" or using that as a straw man.  You have no standing when all you \"absorbed\" from what was being said here was whether Obama was \"black enough.\"</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:04:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967716": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "As soon as this  primary is over with, I predict Donna Brazile is gonna be on the Obama campaign like white on rice.<br></br><br>Obama is trying to win the presidency, ya'll.  of THESE (supposedly) United States.</br><br></br><br>He ain't Rev. Al, he ain't Malcolm X.  And he damn sure ain't Martin Luther King.   </br><br></br><br>He's a black man, raised by his white momma and grandparents. He joined Michelle's church when he married her. </br><br></br><br>If you listened to his press conference, HE DID NOT THROW TRINITY UNDER THE BUS!!!</br><br></br><br>He is going to be in DC anyway in 6 months.  What is the big deal???</br><br></br><br>And to the folks that say he shouldn't walk back into Trinity...</br><br></br><br>How Christian is that?</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:05:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "cac704fd42d02c9cead997b5c53f0fcd", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967717": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Isonprize-<br></br><br>\"He's a black man, raised by his white momma and grandparents. He joined Michelle's church when he married her. \"</br><br></br><br>I love how you come with your half ass facts. Obama met Wright in 1985. He met Michelle in 1988 or 1989.</br><br>Can people stop repeating this nonsense.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:20:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b8623e8e850161265a6267d83471b3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967718": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<b>Can someone explain to me how he would have honored them by staying?</b><br></br><br>I can definitely do that once you own up to how your \"we wouldn't even be here\" rhetoric about placing \"results\" (what results?) above \"throwing fists up\" is the functional equivalent to OneDrop's \"shut up\" mandate. </br><br></br><br>I will definitely do that when you tell me \"what results\" and, yes, what an Obama win (you invoked McCain) is worth without assuming it's worth is self-evident.</br><br></br><br></br><br>What the hell...</br><br></br><br>Obama would have honored them by NOT JUMPING every time White folks said jump.  Obama would have honored them if he came out with equal fervor and said HANDS OFF MY CHURCH instead of mumbling \"the people there... the ministries... do good things.\"</br><br></br><br></br><br>He could have honored them by holding a press conference or some speech not to respond to what many wanted to hear him say about Wright but to level of disrespect to Trinity even minus Wright since Wright didn't measure up as representative of the Black church.</br><br></br><br>He could have honored them by is a friend of his just like Hillary Clinton and, of course, he can't be held accountable for all the stuff she says or does.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:21:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967719": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "And...<br></br><br>\"He ain't Rev. Al, he ain't Malcolm X. And he damn sure ain't Martin Luther King.\"</br><br></br><br>Duh...he's a politican. Ooops...I shouldnt have said that. </br><br></br><br></br><br>DNA-</br><br></br><br>I have been reading the BAR for a while. I stopped reading but recently, I have agreed with some of their conclusions. Don't take it personal.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:22:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b8623e8e850161265a6267d83471b3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967720": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<b>If you listened to his press conference, HE DID NOT THROW TRINITY UNDER THE BUS!!!</b><br></br><br>The press conference today is one thing.  What has happen to this point is another.  He has, indeed, allowed for the distorted view of Trinity to exists because THE ENEMIES OF HIS CAMPAIGN called for him to leave his church based on their view of what goes on there.</br><br></br><br>On some news show, somebody asked if another member of Trinity decided to run for president how would they be viewed.</br><br></br><br>Case closed.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:25:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967721": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "My question to all of you <br></br><br>If you are at work in a boardroom with all white folks and Pfleger walks in and gives that speech/sermon he gave at Trinity, even though you believe it's true and talk about it in like company, tell me you don't cringe and shy away in non-response and embarrasment.</br><br></br><br>Obama didn't throw them under the bus, he had to cut them loose before another game-changing sermon is made.  Each time they give a sermon about what is wrong in the world and inject Obama's name and a reference to the campaig  n it becomes political.  </br><br>These people are in essenced throwing him under the bus.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:30:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "9fcb7c771a7713dda01aa936fd426bfe", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967722": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<b>Do we REALLY want him to be our next president?</b><br></br><br></br><br>Do we really want to discuss what's supposed to be inherently positive about him being our next president?</br><br></br><br>Apparently not.  We're just supposed to assume that it is and a Obama presidency is, somehow, worth whatever even when it guarantees nothing.</br><br></br><br>Do we really want to discuss what expectations and DEMANDS we would place on president Obama?  or is just having his Black fact there enough?</br><br></br><br>Those are the questions worth asking Black people who really place 90% of their primary votes behind him.  If that's not an indication that we really want him (and not someone he is not, as far as what supporters have perceived of him) to be president, I don't know what is.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:32:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967723": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<b>cringe and shy away in non-response and embarrasment</b><br></br><br>That's the problem, Ms. Martin.  Obama didn't give a \"non-response.\"</br><br></br><br>And why would Pfleger make that speech in a boardroom.  Pfleger didn't make that speech in Barack's -- i.e. on his campaign trail.</br><br></br><br>I'd rather here those comparable anecdotes vs. analogies.  dNA??</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:35:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967724": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "With all due respect, but from where I stand BO leaving Trinity makes him look suspect. I can understand if it was a church that the brother just joined a few months ago, but that isnt the case here. Trinity's where this man found faith, was baptized, got married.  Shit, even his daughters were christened and baptized in this church! This is a big freaking deal. And if the brother isnt willing to stand side by side with his community of faith because of politics, then everything about this man must be put into a different perspective.  <br></br><br>What's going to happen when he gets criticized for trying to end the war? is he going to throw people like me who are only supporting him because he's the only candidate who wasnt for the war? </br><br></br><br>I'm sorry to say it, but this guy isnt special at all, he's just another opportunitic politician. I wont be suprised if he joins a white church...or a TD Jakes type of church. Wont be surprised at all.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:41:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967725": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Nquest<br></br><br>You're missing my point.  There's a double standard here.  I asked the question because I know the answer.  I know that people agree with a lot of things that have been said, but they aren't outraged enough to take it to the mainstream in their reality, yet they expect Obama to take it to his mainstream reality.  Get real.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:41:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "9fcb7c771a7713dda01aa936fd426bfe", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967726": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You all are insane.<br></br><br>I mean that in the most loving way.</br><br></br><br>*winks*</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:42:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "ae84a1f516965138dcc59937fe7a7ac1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967727": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'm standing all the way on the outside on this -- I'm not Black and not Christian. So I don't know if I should say anything at all since there is a lot I don't and can't understand. But this has my attention pretty hard right now and so I am going to post. <br></br><br>The thing I am seeing is that Trinity UCC seems to have become a two-dimensional symbol of authentic Blackness somehow, maybe not everywhere but at least some views of it. It's like it has undergone a translation from its own complex reality into being a symbol in the political alphabet. People are talking about the media, maybe that's most/all of what did it. I don't know.</br><br></br><br>This translation into two-dimensional symbolism would be weird to me no matter what, probably. But there are specific things about this situation that make it really strange IMO.</br><br></br><br>*Reverend Wright: </br><br></br><br>-On one hand he has become the symbol of hard-edged on-the-edge truth-telling about racism/white supremacy ... or the scary radical bad Black man, depending on where you stand. </br><br></br><br>-On the other hand, he has been linked into the white establishment enough that he had insider access to not one but two white Democratic presidents (he had enough access/clearance to get into LBJ's surgery and he was at the White House with the Clintons during the Lewinsky thing). Most people go their whole lives with no close access to even one president. But two, these two in particular (and then connection with Obama who may be the third?) </br><br></br><br>I'm okay with paradox and complexity, but there is something about this particular one that has felt jarring to me but I can't explain why. I mean what's the big deal? But it keeps bubbling up as a thought/discomfort. I don't really understand what it it means or why.</br><br></br><br>*White radical priest:</br><br></br><br>Why was the final instrument of this split a white man? How did that happen? And how did a white man with radical rhetoric referencing the presidential campaign symbolically get onto the \"authentically Black\" side of the symbolic conflict, while Senator Obama is on the opposing side of that same symbolism?</br><br></br><br>*Trinity and Black authenticity:</br><br></br><br>My gf pointed out to me that there is an interesting part in <i>Dreams From My Father</i> -- page 285-286 -- about how Trinity membership and participation provided Black professionals an opportunity to connect with more \"authentically\" Black church members (\"claims of greater deprivation and hence authenticity\" is the phrase he uses) and this connection was an exchange in both directions. From this perspective one function of Trinity was to ...not manufacture Black authenticity, but at least to broker (?) it somehow. </br><br></br><br>-------------------------------------------</br><br></br><br>I don't entirely understand what it is I may be seeing or feel here. I do think the crux of what is nagging at me is about Trinity being translated into a two-dimensional symbol in a way that isn't entirely grounded or real. These other pieces feel possibly related to me but I have no idea if that's true, and if so how.</br><br></br><br>And again, since I am an entire outsider on this, I may not be seeing anything useful at all.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:44:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "de3917e982ff609a0d6f7fb5e3c8f079", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967728": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Ms.Martin-<br></br><br>\"If you are at work in a boardroom with all white folks and Pfleger walks in and gives that speech/sermon he gave at Trinity, even though you believe it's true and talk about it in like company, tell me you don't cringe and shy away in non-response and embarrasment.\"</br><br></br><br>I talk like Pfleger everyday. I could care less about \"white folks\". I figure that you do not know me well?</br><br></br><br>I am the only black person at my job. They know that about me. They think that I am joking. They dont know that I am serious. If I was a black man then they may run but I'm a short black girl. </br><br></br><br>I know why Obama did what he did. I am not really mad at him as much as I am at the media who keeps trying to make a story out of nothing. However Obama knew that this would become an issue. I dont think that he did a good job at initially handling it. People have been smearing his church, writing articles and trying to dig up stuff for a year. He made the media create the narrative. He cannot do that. I would like Obama to stop being reactive. He needs to be proactive. Its killing me. I like the guy but its killing me.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:47:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b8623e8e850161265a6267d83471b3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967729": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "There is more than meets the eye with Pfleger. Why did he do this after weeks of the Wright controversy? Trinity let him in that pulpit and had to know the media was watching.<br></br><br>I'm telling you, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if some way, some how, Hillary & Bill is linked to this sh%t! I remember the media reporting that Hillary's campaign was going to argue the Rev Wright controversy with the SuperDelegates!</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:47:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3b31356ea345f986babefd4710e13291", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967730": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Nquest,<br>It is one thing to disagree with how Obama handled the UCC issue.  Since I am conflicted about that, I will not weigh in.  But are you seriously asking how an Obama presidency would be better than a McCain presidency?</br><br></br><br>Junglecat</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:53:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967731": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Michelle-<br></br><br>\"Authentic\" blackness...no.</br><br></br><br>Nobody is questioning Obama's blackness can people stop with that.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:54:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b8623e8e850161265a6267d83471b3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967732": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I'm sorry to say it, but this guy isnt special at all, he's just another opportunitic politician.<br>-----------</br><br></br><br></br><br>Yes, he is.  All politicians are.  Bill Clinton ran on \"hope and change\" back in 1992.  Black folks loved themselves the Clintons until Obama came along and they started up with the racebaiting.</br><br></br><br>Why are we requiring Obama to jump through all these loyalty hoops and hell bent on \"holding him accountable\" when we aren't holding Stephanie Tubbs Jones or Maxine Waters or James Clyburn or any other black politician accountable?</br><br></br><br>It seems like we only want to hold black politicians \"accountable\" if they start pandering to white people too much.  Any other time, we look the other way.  Would we have held Hillary \"accountable\" had Obama not been in the race?  She would have gotten 90% of our votes too.  Kerry got 89% of our votes.  Did we make him jump through hoops to get it?  Gore got 90% of our votes.  Did we make him jump through hoops to get it?</br><br></br><br>Either we as black people start holding ALL politicians regardless of color accountable, or none at all.</br><br></br><br>Seems like the problem is more us than Obama or any other politician.</br><br></br><br>And as far as Rev. Wright not giving interviews, he could have gave his one little interview to Bill Moyers and kept it moving instead of going on the Jeremiah Wright Press Tour talking about black kids climb up over tables and that's how they learn.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:54:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "1cb6140180747707b601ebc52c1fcb5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967733": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Rhonda<br></br><br>I agree with you totally on the proactive/reactive thing.</br><br></br><br>I seriously doubt you are giving speeches about \"whitey\" at the level to which Wright and Pfleger did on a daily basis and still remain employed.</br><br></br><br>Now don't get me wrong, I know what they are saying about race in America is true, and I agree with a lot of what Wright said, but those accusations stand alone on their on merit without reference to the Obama campaign.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_22:55:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "9fcb7c771a7713dda01aa936fd426bfe", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967734": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think it's fine to make policy demands. I think making demands for gesture politics is counterproductive. Who exactly benefits from Obama remaining with Trinity? <br></br><br>No one here is talking about demanding that Obama fulfill promises to raise the minimum wage, deal with mandatory minimum sentencing or improve public schools. We're all just talking about his Church and how his leaving is somehow a slight to black people everywhere, even though its the best thing for Trinity and the best thing for his campaign.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:03:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "84ce11ad4e30ba782433bb5bf24a077e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967735": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Yes its Christian like. W<br></br><br>Why would he want to get photographed in the church with all the \"racists\".</br><br></br><br>Michelle-</br><br></br><br>Sweetie, what are you saying?</br><br></br><br>Anyway.</br><br></br><br>Justice58-</br><br></br><br>Pfleger used her as an example of white privilege in our discussion on race. We are comfortable in our church and its like a family. We are not use to the scrutiny and its difficult for such outspoken people. Fr. Pfleger and Dr. Wright are very outspoken people. They are not trying to sabotage Obama. Like everyone else, they are very emotional about this election. However unlike everybody else, they are not allowed that freedom. This country is unfortunate. People should be free in their church.</br><br></br><br>I don't mind that Obama left. I am sick of the scrutiny. There are strangers in my church who look suspicious. We needed security at one point. We have media outside. I mean who wants that.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:06:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "f8196abc4eed1f09b28cc223bd497673", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967736": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"And as far as Rev. Wright not giving interviews, he could have gave his one little interview to Bill Moyers and kept it moving instead of going on the Jeremiah Wright Press Tour talking about black kids climb up over tables and that's how they learn.<br>-----------------------------------</br><br>Spoken so true!</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:06:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3b31356ea345f986babefd4710e13291", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967737": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Wow, some of you are really \"stressin-out\" over the TUCC departure.  <br></br><br>Maybe you want *O* to be like GWBush and remain \"unchanged and unevolved.\" You want somebody who thinks \"changing their mind\" is a bad thing.  You want someone who trys to look TOUGH by never changing their mind in spite of evidence and facts that demand CHANGE. </br><br></br><br>Maybe you all subscribe to \"intelligent design\" and think that Darwin's concept of Evolution is satanic.   </br><br></br><br>Please consider waking up and realize that when you vote for Barack Obama, you're voting for wise judgment in light of relevant facts.  I admire Barack's decision--and I would encourage some of you to explore faiths outside of your \"comfort zone,\" before dumping on the Next President of the United States for being able to \"change his mind.\"</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:07:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "61b38052cdae3077225c223eee4a5ad9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967738": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"No one here is talking about demanding that Obama fulfill promises to raise the minimum wage, deal with mandatory minimum sentencing or improve public schools. We're all just talking about his Church and how his leaving is somehow a slight to black people everywhere, even though its the best thing for Trinity and the best thing for his campaign.\"<br></br><br>I talk about that stuff everyday. However let me remind you that YOU created a post about Obama leaving Trinity so we are simply discussing it. I am sorry if we do not all agree. </br><br></br><br>I do not think that Obama is selling out black people. Is that better!</br><br></br><br>Goodness gracious.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:09:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b8623e8e850161265a6267d83471b3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967739": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Stop personalizing the \"jabs at his bi-racialness\" or using that as a straw man. You have no standing when all you \"absorbed\" from what was being said here was whether Obama was \"black enough.\"<br></br><br>Nquest, </br><br></br><br>When you get your own blog you can tell people what they can and can't say on it.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:10:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "84ce11ad4e30ba782433bb5bf24a077e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967740": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<b>But are you seriously asking how an Obama presidency would be better than a McCain presidency?</b><br></br><br></br><br>I'm seriously asking what Obama's presidency would be on it's own merits.  \"Better than\" McCain doesn't say much to me AND I was very explicit:</br><br></br><br><b></b><b> this has nothing to do with McCain.</b></br><br></br><br></br><br> What happens when he wins? What? He becomes McCain himself... blowing in the wind, doing anything to APPEASE enemies of his campaign/administration?</br><br></br><br></br><br> tell me \"what results\" and, yes, what an Obama win is worth without assuming it's worth is self-evident</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:12:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967741": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"instead of going on the Jeremiah Wright Press Tour talking about black kids climb up over tables and that's how they learn\"<br></br><br>Wow...what distortion!!!! You know that that was not his message but yall are trying to be stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! </br><br></br><br>If half of you people knew what they man did for people and the amount of people that he inspired....you would not be talking so much SHIT!!!!</br><br></br><br>Obama uses so many of the man's phrases. I sit in the man's church...I know this. Yet you people sit here and talk about Wright as if he is so foreign. If Wright was so horrible then Obama should have never joined. He should have left year ago. You are looking for anything, anything...wow.</br><br></br><br>I am so done with you people.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:14:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "f8196abc4eed1f09b28cc223bd497673", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967742": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Melissa,<br></br><br>I understand. I'm just saying by both being men of God, they should have used wisdom! </br><br></br><br>Just so hurt Barack had to give up his church. That takes a very emotional toll on any believer!</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:16:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3b31356ea345f986babefd4710e13291", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967743": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<i>I am sorry if we do not all agree.</i><br></br><br>rhonda,</br><br></br><br>when did I say we should all agree? I just have a different opinion on the subject than people who see this as a house negro move. </br><br></br><br>When people start saying things like \"we're not demanding enough\" of Obama because he left Trinity, well that's ridiculous. If they weren't trying to constantly denigrate black folks through his association with the church I wouldn't care WHERE he went. </br><br></br><br>I just don't think the stakes are high here, and if you're going to get mad at Obama for compromising, get mad at something that will actually affect us, not something that really should have stayed a private matter.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:18:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "84ce11ad4e30ba782433bb5bf24a077e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967744": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Let me remind some of you or inform some of you that Wright has been speaking in front of the NAACP for years!! years!! He was invited months and months ago. He was also at the National Press Club last year. Hmmm... tour my ass.<br></br><br>He is always being asked to speak places nationally. He knows a lot of people and is very respected. He did not get invited places all of a sudden because of Barack. You have it backwards.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:18:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "f8196abc4eed1f09b28cc223bd497673", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967745": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<b>Nquest, you're missing my point. - Ms. Martin </b><br></br><br></br><br>No, I'm pointing out how your analogy has not point.  I also know that I have no reason to be \"embarrassed\" because I don't subscribe to that internalized racism of RACE REPRESENTATION even that \"he talk like Blacks\" type of embarrassment Pfleger is suppose to represent or whatever the point of your analogy was.</br><br></br><br>I'm trying my best to see the parallels in my personal life other folk keep assuming is there.</br><br></br><br></br><br>&lt;&lt;&lt; dNA &gt;&gt;&gt;</br><br></br><br><b>Nquest, When you get your own blog you can tell people what they can and can't say on it.</b></br><br></br><br></br><br>LOL!! </br><br>LOL!! </br><br>LOL!! </br><br>LOL!! </br><br></br><br><a href=\"http://nquest2xl.wordpress.com/\" rel=\"nofollow\">C'mon, dude.</a></br><br></br><br>Now that that excuse is out the way.  You want to show me where I told you or someone else what they can and can't say?</br><br></br><br>You have got to come better than that.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:21:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967746": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<b>people who see this as a house negro move.</b><br></br><br></br><br>C'mon, dude...  LMAO!!!</br><br></br><br></br><br>You have got to come better than that.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:22:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967747": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "this has nothing to do with McCain.<br></br><br></br><br> What happens when he wins? What? He becomes McCain himself... blowing in the wind, doing anything to APPEASE enemies of his campaign/administration?</br><br></br><br></br><br> tell me \"what results\" and, yes, what an Obama win is worth without assuming it's worth is self-evident</br><br></br><br>So have you not been paying attention at all? Do you not realize there are 2.5 million people in prison in this country, and that Obama has a sound corrections policy while McCain doesn't have one at ALL?</br><br></br><br>Do you not realize how many millions of uninsured there are? Obama's HC policy is flawed, but it would eventually lead to universal coverage if implemented, while McCain's would lead to higher prices for everyone. </br><br></br><br>We've been in Iraq for 5 years going nowhere, while more and more people die and yet you act like there's no difference between the guy who wants to start more wars and the guy who says he wants to end one of the two we've already started?</br><br></br><br>Bush has ordered torture, suspended due process and is spying on Americans. Obama has said he would rescind those executive orders, and has stated unequivocally that not form or kind of torture would be used. The last time McCain had an opportunity to vote on a bill banning waterboarding, he voted FOR it. </br><br></br><br>I mean Nquest, honestly if you're even asking whether the only reason to vote for Obama over McCain is because Obama is black, than I think you should be asking yourself whether that's the only reason you liked the dude to begin with. And if that's the case, then I can see why Trinity would be a dealbreaker for you. Because you don't seem to have any idea what's at stake policywise.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:24:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "84ce11ad4e30ba782433bb5bf24a077e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967748": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Let me remind some of you or inform some of you that Wright has been speaking in front of the NAACP for years!! years!! He was invited months and months ago. He was also at the National Press Club last year. Hmmm... tour my ass.<br></br><br>He is always being asked to speak places nationally. He knows a lot of people and is very respected. He did not get invited places all of a sudden because of Barack. You have it backwards.</br><br>----------</br><br></br><br>I guess we best not say nuthin' bad 'bout your Pastor!  Dont you say NUTHIN bad 'bout Pastor!</br><br></br><br>Look, if Rev. Wright wants to say that shit in your church, fine.  I don't go there, I'd never go there.  But once he steps out that church and starts giving speeches being aired by CNN that all of America can see, then he opens himself up to criticism by all of America.  And there was no sense in him whatsoever talking about black kids climbing up over tables and that's why they learn differently.  If Rev. Wright doesn't want to be criticized for saying dumb shit like that then he needs to stay his ass in Trinity Church and off of CNN.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:24:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "1cb6140180747707b601ebc52c1fcb5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967749": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "What price are we willing to pay for a black president?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:25:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "26ccb9017c10a65b312cb585ac88f946", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967750": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<i>C'mon, dude... LMAO!!!<br></br><br></br><br>You have got to come better than that.</br></i><br></br><br>No I can't. I'm humbled by your creative use of internet acronyms.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:25:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "84ce11ad4e30ba782433bb5bf24a077e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967751": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Melissa<br></br><br>Sweetie, you have this thing all wrong.  Many of the people who are commenting here, including myself, defended Wright.  Right up until he inserted himself in the campaign in a negative light.</br><br></br><br>If you truly believe Wright is everything you're telling us he is, then you know that he is held to a different standard than your common man; his understanding is greater than the common man.</br><br></br><br>As a man of God, I believe it is his charge to distinguish not incite riots.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:26:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "9fcb7c771a7713dda01aa936fd426bfe", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967752": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"Just so hurt Barack had to give up his church. That takes a very emotional toll on any believer!\"<br></br><br>Do you know how hurt Wright has been? He was hurt last year when Obama disinvited him. However he knew why it happened. He was hurt when people were distorting him and his character. He was hurt when he saw quick sound bytes being circulated with people labelling him a \"racist\", \"Anti-American\", \"seperatist\", \"wackadoodle\", \"hatemonger\". People were saying things about him when they did not even know him, what he did for his community, what his church meant and stood for....they destroyed a 36 year career. Thats not right. Meanwhile, you have Obama dismissing him as a \"crazy uncle\" who is lost in time. I could see the weariness in him. I could see that it took a toll. </br><br></br><br>He went to the National Press Club to try and introduce people to who he really was. He tried to use comedy to make light of things. He delivered an interesting speech about the black church tradition so people could have context. It obviously did not go over well. He never had bad intentions. He always says wonderful things about Barack. </br><br></br><br>Lets be serious.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:27:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "f8196abc4eed1f09b28cc223bd497673", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967753": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You people are talking about a man you dont know. I will correct you when you are inaccurate. Some of you are basising you assertions off of the media. I am correcting you.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:30:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "f8196abc4eed1f09b28cc223bd497673", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967754": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Nquest <br></br><br>Huh? </br><br></br><br>I wasn't referring to Pfleger speaking black, I was actually referring to what he was saying not being acceptable in mixed company.  I was saying the same people who are outraged by Obama saying enough is enough, aren't outraged enough to make Pfleger's plaform their platform in places where it wouldn't be acceptable depending on the audience.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:32:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "9fcb7c771a7713dda01aa936fd426bfe", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967755": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "town,<br></br><br>It might not seem like it a lot of the time but we have freedom of speech.  Rev Wright can say whatever he choses.</br><br></br><br>What Wright said was good enough for the 20 years that Obama attended the church.  If you think that Obama hadn't sat through some of those sermons you must be sick in the head.  He couldn't have thought Wright was that crazy be he sought out the relationship with him.  No one would deny that the two were close. </br><br></br><br>Now he's leaving Trinity-after it is not longer of use to him.</br><br></br><br>I understand that you support Obama, but don't let that support blind you.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:33:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "26ccb9017c10a65b312cb585ac88f946", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967756": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"Obama should have had forsight and been on this....he knew!\"<br></br><br>Perhaps it was naive of him to believe that he would be accorded the same hands off approach of his religion and worship as other presidential candidates. </br><br></br><br>Fuck the media and black folks who have been collectively acted like a bunch of damn peepin' toms in this man's personal life with respect to his religion. White folks have no damn business telling him where he shouldn't worship and likewise Black folks have no damn business telling him where he should!</br><br></br><br>The rule should be it's nobody's damn business where you lay your head in \"sin\" or prayer.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:34:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967757": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Town-<br></br><br>\"And there was no sense in him whatsoever talking about black kids climbing up over tables and that's why they learn differently. If Rev. Wright doesn't want to be criticized for saying dumb shit like that then he needs to stay his ass in Trinity Church and off of CNN.\"</br><br></br><br>He was refering to a book written by a black sociologist. I remember her last name being Hale. I have read it before. However I forgot the name and her full name. He never said that black kids climb up on desks and that how they learn. I despise that because he was not saying that.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:36:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "f8196abc4eed1f09b28cc223bd497673", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967758": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<b>I know that people agree with a lot of things that have been said, but they aren't outraged enough to take it to the mainstream in their reality, yet they expect Obama to take it to his mainstream reality. Get real.</b><br></br><br>Ms. Martin?  What's the \"take it to the mainstream\" stuff for?  There is a serious disconnect.  The \"mainstream\" asked Obama to \"take it to\" Wright and then Pfleger.</br><br></br><br>That's a fundamental difference.</br><br></br><br>There are plenty of anecdotes where White people have asked African-Americans what they think about Black leader X, rapper Y, etc.  In those experiences, there is a diversity of responses and plenty of them have been in the manner in which people have required of Obama.</br><br></br><br>But then again, the workplace is hardly anything comparable to Obama's campaign.  As a function of my employment or in the interview process, most/all Black folks don't get asked to distance themselves from something somebody they know said.  Most employers don't give a f-ck and only would raise that concern if your outside life impacts your production and, naturally, their bottom line.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:38:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967759": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I know it's rude to comment without reading the 88 other comments, but I feel compelled to remark that, yeah, I guess its for the best (and I certainly understand why Obama did this), but its never going to be enough for most of the people who had the problem to begin with.  Fixed Noise was immediately pushing the meme that he didn't denounce the church.  No doubt, Hillary's people will be out tomorrow saying he needs to reject and denounce the church.  And, whatever he does in this regard, at the end of the day they'll still vote against the skin color.<br></br><br>I still believe we're just a few months from President Obama.  I have great hopes for the future.  The younger voters make me proud.  But all this (right wing and racist fueled) angst about Trinity really makes me sad.  Were that we lived in a country where there was religious freedom.  Where a man could say, this is my church, what of it?  Perhaps we'll get there someday.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:39:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "5e9e41ab78620da19fb9227156c41b24", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967760": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "It might not seem like it a lot of the time but we have freedom of speech. Rev Wright can say whatever he choses.<br></br><br>----------</br><br></br><br>Anyone can say whatever they want to, whenever they want to.</br><br></br><br>But, let's be clear, there are consequences to what you say.  If you don't want to accept the consequences, don't say it.</br><br></br><br>That's part of why Geraldine Ferraro is so angry.  She felt she should be able to say whatever she wanted, without consequence and when she found out otherwise, it enraged her.</br><br></br><br>Rev. Wright and Father Pfleger and Barack Obama can go anywhere they want and say whatever they want, but all three of them need to realize there are consequences to what you say.  Man up and accept it, or shut your mouth.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:41:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "1cb6140180747707b601ebc52c1fcb5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967761": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I heard that Rev. Wright suggested to Sen. Obama that they keep a distance very early on.<br></br><br>Now that might be media spin, but it makes sense to me.  Both of these men are many thing, but STUPID is certainly not on that list.</br><br></br><br>Rev. Wright is very well known in Chicago, Phila, and lots of other places where he has been on the radio for more than a few years now.</br><br></br><br>ALL of this has been blown out of proportion, especially by the MSM, who, in my opinion, think some sneaky, shady stuff goes on in black churches.  </br><br></br><br>'They are in there plotting revenge against whitey...'  This is more about white folk being scared that black people will take out some long held revengeful feelings, than it is about Buddy and Barack. </br><br></br><br>Rev. Wright has known that he stance on many, many issues was not and will not be \"politically correct.\"</br><br></br><br>Sen. Obama knows that he has got to walk a very tight rope to get the the White House.  </br><br></br><br>I, for one, am rooting for them both,  for Rev. Wright to keep doing his thing  and for Sen. Obama do keep doing his.   </br><br></br><br>Trinity will be fine.  Sen. Obama will also be fine.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:43:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "cac704fd42d02c9cead997b5c53f0fcd", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967762": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "nquest<br></br><br>There's no disconnet at all,you know exactly what I'm talking about.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:45:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "9fcb7c771a7713dda01aa936fd426bfe", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967763": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Were that we lived in a country where there was religious freedom. Where a man could say, this is my church, what of it? Perhaps we'll get there someday.<br>--------------</br><br></br><br>It's not just Obama, people had questions and concerns about Mitt Romney's Mormonism.  What the f*ck does him being Mormon have to do with his policies?  Vote for or against Romney because of his policies, not because he's a Mormon.</br><br></br><br>So I guess this election has shown us if you're Muslim you BET NOT run for office, and if you're Arab you BET NOT run for office.</br><br></br><br>\"But he might be a (whisper) Muslim!\"  And?  So?  It's these so-called Christians who have always made laws to oppress non-whites and women in the name of the Lord.  </br><br></br><br>Religious freedom?  Not any time soon.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:47:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "1cb6140180747707b601ebc52c1fcb5a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967764": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<b>\"Pfleger's plaform their platform\"</b><br></br><br></br><br>Ms. Martin, your analogy just doesn't work on a number of levels and I don't know what Pfleger's \"platform\" is and no one is asking Obama to run on Pfleger's platform.</br><br></br><br>But go ahead and tell me how many Black people you know as a condition of their employment, hiring, promotion or just being able to keep their jobs... how many Black people you know who are asked by their employers to denounces the \"platforms\" of people they know.</br><br></br><br>Both you and dNA insist that there are some parallels and that we've all done what Obama has so let's see ya'll put some paint on that picture because there's nothing there but an empty canvass of unfounded assumptions so far.</br><br></br><br>What jobs do everyday Black people have that insist that they stop attending a certain kind of church?</br><br></br><br>Talk about gettin' real...  Where's the real meat to this claim that we all have to do what Obama has to?</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:47:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967765": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "No, Ms. Martin, I don't know what you're talking about and I never will until you can verbalize it and say something that comports with reality not hypothetical, fabricated analogy.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:49:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967766": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "RightOn Isonprize, <br></br><br>If i'm ever in Chicago on a Sunday, i'll look forward to attending TUCC and hearing Pastor Emeritus Wright preach. </br><br></br><br>Likewise, I look forward to being in front of the US Capitol on Jan 20, 2009 to see Barack Obama become the 44th President of the United States of America.</br><br></br><br>There's nothing wrong with being in either of those places...and I certainly would not be trying to contrive DRAMA over any of this...</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:52:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "61b38052cdae3077225c223eee4a5ad9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967767": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Isonprize,<br></br><br>I agree with you. Thats my issue too. Its the media who made a big deal out of this. The very premise behind their coverage is racist. They are going unchecked...I cannot take it.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:53:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b8623e8e850161265a6267d83471b3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967768": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "One's faith and relationship with God is not exclusively tied to the Church you attend. This is where many people go wrong. Sometimes our greatest hurts come from members of the congregation and many turn away from the Lord because of their disillusion. I'm not happy to hear about this latest development, however, I know this would continue to go on until November if he had not separated himself. I would not want to be sitting in the pews worried about whether the person next to me has a recording device.  I also call into question those who say he should have left before his run as if that would have made the decision less jarring. Strategically it would have been smarter, but I don't think the \"true\" sistas/brothas in this discussion would have been appeased. Had he left then it would  have been \"he's getting rid of the evidence...\". So Dr. King the philanderer and Malcolm the X-con  had the morality thing on lock too.  I have mad respect for these men as leaders and HUMAN BEINGS. The amount of flack Barack gets is astounding at times. Disagreeing seems to equal grandstanding. \"I cannot support because...\". So I guess the last 40+ presidents met your standards or did you not vote?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:53:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967769": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"If i'm ever in Chicago on a Sunday, i'll look forward to attending TUCC and hearing Pastor Emeritus Wright preach. <br></br><br>Likewise, I look forward to being in front of the US Capitol on Jan 20, 2009 to see Barack Obama become the 44th President of the United States of America.\"</br><br></br><br>I agree Webb. The two places are not a contradiction in my book. </br><br></br><br>Its the white mainstream media who cannot get their heads around it. The served it a certain way and everyone ate it up. </br><br></br><br>I didn't.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:55:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b8623e8e850161265a6267d83471b3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967770": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"So I guess the last 40+ presidents met your standards or did you not vote?\"<br></br><br>I am critical with everyone. However as a black person, It is hard for me to watch what is going on here. People are overlooking the media and their manipulation of the situation.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-31_23:57:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b8623e8e850161265a6267d83471b3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967771": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I come here for refuge, safety, comfort and you guys are fighting too.<br></br><br>STOP IT!</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_00:10:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967772": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hey rhondacoca,<br></br><br>I didn't eat it up either...like Donna Brazile was saying earlier, my mama taught me NOT to eat \"everybody's cooking.\"  She especially taught me to avoid \"some people's\" cooking.</br><br></br><br>Be thankful, everyone is not eating it up as evidenced by JJP.  </br><br></br><br>TO anon@8:53 regarding the \"true\" sistas and brothas...LOVED THAT...they will not be appeased until Barack takes the oath in a dishiki with kente cloth.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_00:11:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "61b38052cdae3077225c223eee4a5ad9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967773": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "rhondacoca, I understand where you are coming from. I was not referring to you. Again, I am not happy/am slightly conflicted about this myself. But, my thinking is not entirely linear and it seems that neither is yours. I was directing my comments to nquest, etc. who let the Wright issue be the litmus test--proof to say, \"look he really doesn't like us!\". You can almost picture them jumping up and down at the same time because there is a certain amount of glee in the tone. There are always those who get off on not being a \"kool aid drinker\" with absolutely no viable alternative plan of action and I have a problem with that. Our community along with the rest of this county needs an opportunity for results, not an \"all of nothing\" fist raiser where we end up with NOTHING.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_00:14:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967774": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The double standard is RIDICULOUS!<br></br><br>Folks on JJP might have asked, but has the mainstream asked -- </br><br></br><br>Where does John McCain go to church?    Who married him?  Why was he divorced?  Did he really call his wife a cunt?</br><br></br><br></br><br>The problem is -- here is Barack Obama (this exotic Negro -- he ain't even a regular Negro, we might have been able to deal with that... but who is THIS guy? who married a soul sista from Chicago  - damn, she's smart AND dark)</br><br></br><br></br><br>Wait, but they go to a Black church.  (What goes on in there, anyway?...)</br><br></br><br>Um,  he's running a helluva campaign.  He even got Iowa country boys voting for him. </br><br></br><br>(Whoa,  wait one damn minute here.  WHO IS THIS GUY?  Funny name,  must be a Muslim...) </br><br></br><br></br><br>Damn, that wife of his is kinda hot. </br><br>(But hold it.  She's talking, she's not SUPPOSED to talk!  Especially not the truth.  She's just supposed to stand there and look at him adoringly.</br><br></br><br>(Gotcha!   She's unpatriotic,  yeah, yeah, that's it!)</br><br></br><br></br><br></br><br>DON'T GET ME STARTED!!!!</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_00:16:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "cac704fd42d02c9cead997b5c53f0fcd", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967775": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Town I agree with you on your post about holding Black politicians accountable, et al Tubbs-Jones. If she was being held accountable she'd be preparing herself to be elected out of office. I think in a perfect world Obama would have been more than content to stay at Trinity had he been left in peace to do so. He had to cut the ties. Someone mentioned MLK and Malcolm X. If this was today's political environment MLK's gay advisor and his extra-marital activities would have on 24 hr loop and what compromises would he have had to make? And he may not have been an elected official but he was definitely engaged in political activity. I seriously wonder if we were in similar situations would we be the subject of discussion and criticizing in the same manner? Would the hard decisions be topic for fodder? I wish Obama would be more proactive in these situations and I do see it as a weakness but I don't measure it as equal to say caving to pressure about signing Welfare to Work, or Don't Ask Don't Tell, or NAFTA, or broadening the Telecommunications Act and allowing one company to own 7 forms of media in one market, or the drug sentencing laws, or a host of other things that cause irreparable harm. I am reminded that though I am very enthusiastic about an Obama presidency he is just a man, not my personal savior and I will be disappointed in him. If we are more strategic and uncompromising in our support and work toward similar goals [cuz everyone isn't going to agree] we can bring about some positive changes in this country that meet OUR needs.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_00:19:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "1572c9b90152e199379cfb228c0cc759", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967776": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "dNA,<br></br><br>You still can't manage to get the McCain out. lol</br><br></br><br></br><br><b>Do you not realize there are 2.5 million people in prison in this country, and that Obama has a sound corrections policy while McCain doesn't have one at ALL?</b></br><br></br><br>Do you not realize that a president (and especially a compromised Black president) is not Congress, the policy making branch of gov't?</br><br></br><br>Do you not realize that presidents face opposition to whatever agenda they go into office hoping to achieve?</br><br></br><br>I am well aware of Barack's platform, record, etc. Stipulate to it on the regular.  This Trinity sh*t, ever last Wright piece of it, doesn't bode well for an Obama presidency that won't be overly handicapped going in.  Enemies of his campaign know he'll bend now and Black folk, IMO, have little reason to believe he will stick to his \"sound plans\" especially for prisons and urban agendas that he just doesn't talk about much.</br><br></br><br>Now why is that?  Do you realize what a mandate is?  Obama is not promoting prisons reform and an urban agenda as key components of his platform.  No, like the video you went gah-gah over he's preachin 'to Black and Brown folk about how we have to realize just how tough White folks have it.</br><br></br><br></br><br>And you don't even go there on the war.  One of BAR's best critiques is on Obama's imperialistic impulse.  You seen him do the Israel dance and we know he's flexed his cowboy voice muscles about bombing Pakistan.  </br><br></br><br></br><br>What Obama's behavior has done is given credence to the BAR critiques that Obama would compromise on issues important to Black people and there is no guarantee that Obama will get us out of Iraq.</br><br></br><br>You do know campaign promises are often broken, don't you?  You do know where his votes have fallen regarding the war, don't you?</br><br></br><br> </br><br>You do realize that \"sound plans\" don't always get accomplished and that a variety of factors impact whether a president has the political capital to fulfill their agenda.  </br><br></br><br>You do realize the not-so-clever attempt to avoid:</br><br></br><br><b>What happens when he wins? What? He becomes McCain himself... blowing in the wind, doing anything to APPEASE enemies of his campaign/administration?</b></br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_00:24:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "3ecde559248958521e4cb25a77f2ee65", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967777": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I guess what I'm rambling about is this.  In these days and times, Barack Obama is the last best hope we  have of getting our issues looked at with an eye toward solving the many issues that we have.<br></br><br>But as Sen. Obama has said, he is not a perfect man, and he won't be a perfect president.</br><br></br><br>But HE's GOT TO GET THERE FIRST!</br><br></br><br>So,  between John \"let's stay in a war, reverse Roe v. Wade, and screw working people\" McCain</br><br></br><br>and Barack \"get out of Iraq, appoint progressive judges, and give working folk a break\" Obama,</br><br></br><br>I'm going with Obama!</br><br></br><br></br><br>(Hell, I voted for Al Gore and I never knew where he went to church!  AND DIDN'T CARE!!!)</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_00:26:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "cac704fd42d02c9cead997b5c53f0fcd", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967778": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Everyone - Obama, Hillary, McCain,the MSM, Trinity Church and we the people - is guilty of BS in this particular situation.<br></br><br>We the public fucked up and let the MSM dictate a bullshit narrative that painted everyone in a corner, so now we all lose a little bit of our integrity, Obama loses the church he had for the last 20 years, and the church loses its reputation - and NO that is not Obama's fault, it's not even Wright's fault, or the fault of Fleger (or whatever his name is) since by right they all have freedom of speech, and what went on in the church should, hypothetically, have had NOTHING whatsoever to do without Obama's Presidential campaign since it is OBVIOUS that Obama's policies are sound (whether you agree with them or not), his mind is sound, and he is capable of making and consistently makes smart, independent judgments, etc. regardless of the beliefs of the church he attended and the religion he practices. Contrast that with McCain and the Republican Party which is in effect demonstrably beholden to Christian fundamentalists/m.   </br><br></br><br>Having said that, Wright COULD have kept a stiller tongue and this other Rev. definitely COULD have chosen a different message, but neither of them HAD to or SHOULD have done that, and when they chose not to do so, WE THE PUBLIC should have dropped the shit and let it go rather than acting as if the story was actually worthy of debate and had merit. We should have shut down and shut up the MSM. </br><br></br><br>Instead, we sat around debating bullshit like, is he Black enough? Is he too Black? Is he loyal enough? Can his judgment be trusted given Rev. Wright? Is his church Christian enough? Is he an Uncle Tom? As if any of that changes the price of gas, ends the war in Iraq, gets us health care or puts food on the table. </br><br></br><br>The rest of the world is shaking its head at the indulgences we engage in during our election process. We take every frickin' thing personally. </br><br></br><br>Obama leaving his church at this time was a decision made by Obama and his family under the guidance of the church, period point blank. It was not a personal slight to you. He was not saying hey you anonymous blogger and all Black people, fuck off. It was simply an unfortunate decision that HAD to be made one way or another at some point in time for the benefit of everyone involved given the MSM feeding frenzy that took place and that we the public engaged. </br><br></br><br>And you can't say Obama SHOULD have left the church sooner, it's not your place to make that decision for him. Maybe he was hoping things would blow over and we would start focusing on policies again rather than another stupid nontroversy that does nothing for anybody and leaves us all feeling a little bit dirtier and dumber after it's all said and done. </br><br></br><br>You also can't say he should NOT have left the church, given that innocent people, who just wanted to worship in peace and have that right, were being harassed and threatened. And, given this new round of MSM BS, there was a good chance of this approaching a potentially dangerous situation, and had it become a dangerous situation, all talk would have been he should have left the church. </br><br></br><br>Clearly, this was not by ANY means an easy decision for anyone involved. </br><br></br><br>I, for one, am SICK of letting the media define people for me, because they NEVER EVER give a full picture of the person or the situation that they're focusing on. Right now, I'm far more concerned with looking at Obama's policies and platform. And policies and platforms should be the primary focus of this campaign.</br><br></br><br>I am not going to pass judgment on Obama the man, in this particular situation since I can't say what he would have could have or should have done because I am not in his shoes, and I don't know what the heck I would have could have or should have done if I were. And I'm sure that, given the chance, most of you who are so indignant above, would opt not to be in his shoes either because you  wouldn't be able to cope with the shit that he deals with on a daily basis and as well as he has.</br><br></br><br>This doesn't mean Obama should be free of criticism, but this whole thing is a waste of time. A year from now, will we even remember this crap will it be even remotely important? Somehow, I doubt it.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_00:30:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967779": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"Someone mentioned MLK and Malcolm X. If this was today's political environment MLK's gay advisor and his extra-marital activities would have on 24 hr loop and what compromises would he have had to make? And he may not have been an elected official but he was definitely engaged in political activity.\"<br>______</br><br>Excellent point. I had not even thought that far, but you are absolutely right. The modern climate is hostile and presents new challenges.</br><br></br><br>\"If we are more strategic and uncompromising in our support and work toward similar goals [cuz everyone isn't going to agree] we can bring about some positive changes in this country that meet OUR needs.\"</br><br>________</br><br>Again, dead on. We are too busy knit picking on flesh and blood. People are disappointing creatures. However, on the larger scale what are the benefits? In the corporate world (and we all know who runs that) a man could be sleeping with his co-worker's wife, shat in his toilet, and slashed his tired YET if the common goal of <b>money</b> is @ stake it will all be pushed aside. We should take note.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_00:36:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967780": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "May I keep it real for a moment...<br></br><br>We live in a world where when \"white\" people get upset and start cussing, they are called \"assertive.\"</br><br></br><br>Yet when \"black\" people get upset and start cussing, we are called \"angry.\"</br><br></br><br>The MSM actions do not surprise me.  In some ways, it's very good that some of us are agitating for the MSM to evolve...KEEP it UP.  It is a good thing.</br><br></br><br>As for Barack Obama, he needs to remain true to himself and DEFY the MSM by never becoming the ANGRY BLACK MAN that THEY and indeed many other RACIST MOFOs in this country want him to BECOME.  </br><br></br><br>Barack has got to be like Jackie Robinson.  He must continue embracing those peaceful Hawaiian vibes that are embedded within him.  Let Barack be Barack.  </br><br></br><br>In the meantime, you all can be the vicarious VENT for Barack, Michelle, Malia and Sacha.  I hope they come here and read this blog, so that they can find an intellectual release for the never-ending BS they face from the MSM and Billaries of the World...they need to be well rested for the Republican Onslaught.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_00:42:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "61b38052cdae3077225c223eee4a5ad9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967781": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I've read this thread with much sadness.  I thought that we had gotten beyond these artificial measures of what constitutes \"black enough\".<br></br><br>For those who haven't read Barack's letter to the church, I implore you to do so.  There is pain and anguish throughout, along with tremendous love and respect for the church he loudly proclaims led him to his faith.</br><br></br><br>My people, I'm begging you--we have to see the bigger picture here.  We have to shed this tunnel vision we so often have about so many things.  This man is running for the President of the United States of America.  As of Tuesday night, he will \"officially\" be the Democratic nominee.  I believe in my heart he's going to win the general election in November.</br><br></br><br>Does anyone truly believe that he won't be better President than John McCain?  That he won't do more for \"us\" than John McCain?  That just the very image of him taking the oath of office in January 2009, which will be transmitted around the globe, won't in an instant change things forever?</br><br></br><br>I'm not saying Barack is the Magic Negro.  He's not a god, he's not a magician, and he won't solve all the country's problems in one fell swoop.  But, he has inspired me like none other.  To paraphrase Michelle, for the first time in my adult life I am proud to be able to support such a phenomenally gifted man. </br><br></br><br>I never believed I would see such a day.  I want to celebrate this extraordinary triumph.  Not read a bunch of mean-spirited comments about how Barack is not \"black enough\" or \"down enough\", or some such nonsense.  For those who have obsessed about his decision to leave Trinity, I fear that there really is nothing that Barack could do to appease you.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_01:05:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "f37db351cc9b24603d75ac59ea0fbca5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967782": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The nipple of Barack\u2019s Soul Exposed<br></br><br>Elaine on Seinfeld said it best, could have been about Barack Obama\u2026.</br><br></br><br>ELAINE: I did not bare myself deliberately, but I tell you, I wish now that I had! Because it is not me that has been exposed, but you! For I have seen the nipple on your soul!</br><br></br><br>Obama has shown us a glimpse of his soul as he dumps his church\u2026it ain\u2019t very pretty. What a troubled lost man who wants to play president. Barak, go home, find yourself, before it is too late for you to \u201cbe a man, and take a stand.\u201d</br><br></br><br>If you saw Barak Obama give the press conference today where he ditched his church membership, then you saw a very weak man indeed. I don\u2019t agree with his church\u2019s rhetoric but I did expect him to have faith in God\u2019s house of worship and to not be influenced by the media. Senator Obama just does not have the core beliefs and soul to lead our nation.</br><br></br><br>He said that he refers to scripture every day. How can Senator Obama refer to the bible everyday and live with his own approval of abortion, the murder of God\u2019s unborn children.</br><br></br><br>Had not Barack Obama read Psalm 23:4 since he said that he referred to the scriptures every day.</br><br></br><br>Psalm 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.</br><br></br><br>Barack was on the ropes, hit with criticism. So what, every man is at least once in his life. Barack have not you read:</br><br></br><br>Matthew 16:8 Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?</br><br></br><br>Didn\u2019t Obama know that God would provide for him in times of trouble? I just don\u2019t believe this poor lost soul of a man one bit.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_01:09:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967783": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I do not think this was a good political move. I think that the Obama campaign is stuck in a rut. I think that his staff is burnt out, and succumbing to bunker-like thinking. I think he desperately needs very senior staff additions. <br></br><br>I think this comes down to four things which indicate irreconcilable differences with the church: </br><br></br><br>1. Trinity is a mega church, and as such believes in spreading the \"word of the Lord\" as far as possible through any means possible. So if that's the case, then if pastor-obsessions (and what this really is is white people--specifically \"journalists\" like Ben Smith--who have never been exposed to the black church and its function being <i>shocked</i> because that's not the way it's done at the bland Episcopalian Church they go to), then there's massive temptation on the part of the church to create controversy and spread the word.</br><br></br><br>2. Reverend Wright is bitter. To date, he has remained quiet, but I don't expect that to last the election. I would be upset if I was him to, however I would also not want to give the real enemies--the media who twisted and distorted his words--the satisfaction of \"bringing down Obama.\" If Wright popped up again between now and the election the media--which can't resist the freak show--would go nuts. And there'd be nothing left for Obama to do, which makes it a gigantic problem politically.  </br><br></br><br>3. The fact that Trinity records all their sermons gives the media--and these people truly have no lives--a way to keep talking about Wright. Ultimately with $4 a gallon gas this isn't really an issue people care about. But the media is full of people who make $100,000 a <i>month</i>, so an extra ten bucks in the gas tank means nothing to them. This is about, as it always is with the media, cocktail party conversation. \"Oh my God, did you see Father Pfleger?\" No one cares, it's minute and irrelevant. But cocktail parties are about the inane. </br><br></br><br>4. What the media does with those video clips--selectively edit them and run them over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again for 13 weeks has very real effects both on Obama personally and on Trinity. I'd imagine the threats on Obama have increased since Wright; and I know Trinity has received threats. Ultimately this distracts from both party's works, so it's best to go their separate ways. </br><br></br><br>I can understand that. However, given the Muslim smears, Barack would be wise to find a new church very, very quickly. A Baptist Church which does not allow cameras would be the perfect fit. But that's a personal decision. Still, he should have a new church ASAP.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_01:15:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "2a2201364786f612d9d33bb12f2de038", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967784": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Anonymous 10:09, that's right, you keep focusing on nipple metaphors and leave the big thinking to other people, after all, someone has to speak for the \"proud to be a low information voter\" might as well be you as you clearly have the time.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_01:40:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967785": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Anonymous 10:40, Your boy, Obama, is a real big thinker, says the word, hmmm, yeah \"change\" alot.  Too bad he got off script today and showed the WORLD what a putz he really is.  Ha ha ha.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_01:48:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967786": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Trinity was getting bomb and death treats from what I have heard.  They were not running for office, Obama is.  It's not fair to them to have their every move watched and being unable to worship as they used to.  It's not fair the media has done this while not even bothering to talk about any other candidates religion because they are white.   I hope he can find a new church and I hope Trinity can get back to the business they do so well.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_02:10:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967787": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Interesting to glance at some of the comments.  <br></br><br>My thoughts and prayers are with the Obama children - I know how important my church family was to me growing up.  The adults shaped me, I made memories with the other kids.  The foundation of my faith was developed.</br><br></br><br>Unlike some I do not have a black limitus test for Obama, just like I never got caught up in the abortion limitus test by republicans sought to impose [despite the fact I agreed with them]. </br><br></br><br>I do not expect Obama to be the best president for blacks - but for Americans.  Aren't we Americans too --- do we not deserve a thriving economy that includes well paying jobs for everyone, the honest hope that we can actually afford to send our children to school without mortgaging our homes, retirement and saddling our kids with $50K student loan debt by 22?</br><br></br><br>If you cannot accept the POLITICAL FACT that Obama is not likely to be at too many Black townhall meetings, then sorry we don't travel in the same reality.  </br><br></br><br>Why cannot we not disagree, and yet refrain from name calling.  damn if your support of Obama is so fickle that you can't walk through a little dust up without jumping off the bandwagon - than God bless ya and wish you well with the next 4 yrs of Bush/Chenay/Rove policies.  </br><br></br><br>Do you really expect to agree with Obama on every issue and decision - I don't.  but I try to refrain from letting emotions get teh best of me before reaching a final position on things.</br><br></br><br>Several months ago I heard Obama say that he prays to be an instrument of God.  So, how is drawing all this attention to Trinity being an instrument.</br><br></br><br>christian liberal, you suggest Obama is putting his ambition before God and while there is some merit - looking out the outside becuase we can't see his heart - it was reported that he consulted with the Pastor and that he and his wife prayed about it for some time.  I think we are best in leaving the judging of men to God.</br><br></br><br>I cannot see how he could have stepped foot inside of Trinity again. recently he even announced though he was in Chicago he was not going to the church in an effort to avoid being a distraction.  </br><br></br><br>When he was in serving - would God or Obama be the focus?</br><br></br><br>I'm fine with his choice.  Even if I am wrong - it is God that Obama will answer to on this one.  Not me.  Or you.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_02:22:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "31a27f9aa9f2b181ac1c8e0cb27cfa80", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967788": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Ohhh, I get it.  Obama HAD to leave the church, for THEIR protection.  Wow, maybe Obama will take away many of your rights, for YOUR protection.   Gee, Obama is sooooo thoughtful.  Or, is he just a coward who dumped his hate-whitey church cult who the stove starting getting hot.  Okay, folks, lets lay off the kool-aid!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_02:30:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967789": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Okay anonymous 10:48, please answer the following questions:<br></br><br>In your own words, what are Obama's proposals for dealing with the following as President:</br><br></br><br>1. Poverty</br><br>2. Civil Rights</br><br>3. Iraq</br><br>4. Education</br><br>5. Global warming</br><br></br><br>What are your definitions of the words \"strong\", \"tough\",  \"fighter\" and \"experienced\"? Please give an example of at least three current politicians that you believe exemplify each of these adjectives, and state why you believe they do and give an example of how they have proven it.</br><br></br><br>What is your definition of \"character\"?</br><br></br><br>If you are voting/have voted for Hillary, do you believe that she has lied or pandered at all during this campaign? If yes, please give two examples. </br><br></br><br>Please also give two examples (outside of her being a female running for President) that illustrate how Hillary has clearly and intentionally expanded and improved the Democratic Party and the primary process itself during this campaign. </br><br></br><br>If you are voting/voted for McCain, do you believe he has lied or pandered at all during this campaign? If so, please give two examples.</br><br></br><br>Please also give two examples of two McCain proposals for improving the country that are, in your opinion, superior to proposals on the same topics put forth by Obama.</br><br></br><br>Do you believe that McCain has a clear understanding of Iraq, its people, its culture, its history, etc.?</br><br></br><br>Name three major successful initiatives that were spearheaded by Obama while a Senator in Illinois. </br><br></br><br>In your opinion, who were the top three Presidents of the United States during the last fifty years?</br><br></br><br>In your opinion, who were the worst three Presidents of the United States during the last fifty years? </br><br></br><br>On a scale of one to three with three being very important, please rate the following in order of importance to you re: choosing a presidential candidate to support.</br><br></br><br>-- Integrity</br><br>-- Courage</br><br>-- Intelligence</br><br>-- Race</br><br>-- Sex</br><br>-- Age</br><br>-- Party affiliation</br><br>-- Policy proposals</br><br>-- Charisma</br><br>-- Washington experience</br><br>-- Endorsements</br><br>-- Respect given by colleagues</br><br>-- Organizational skills</br><br>-- Past work performance</br><br>-- Voting record (if available)</br><br>-- Fundraising ability</br><br>-- Religion</br><br>-- Honesty</br><br>-- Temperament</br><br>-- Language skills</br><br>-- Proven ability to get things done</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_02:31:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967790": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Ruthdfw...<br></br><br>Well said. </br><br> </br><br>Let the Church (and the Church-less)say, Amen!!</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_02:36:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "096358f41d81404ad9105cea56713bb3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967791": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I know its late in the game but I feel it has to be said.  Wise the hell up BLACK PEOPLE!  Sure Obama has a white mother but the media did a paper bag test and decided it was O.K. to treat Obama like a NEGRO and that's why he had to leave his church.<br></br><br>  Its guilt by association by any means and, assuming that you are all raised in the U.S., you should've known that.  Yes he had to leave his church.  He's running a national campaign and with the unusually high attention he attracts anything would be used against him to write a narrative that says \"he's TOO BLACK and therefore you can't trust him.\"</br><br></br><br>  His church didn't exactly help on that front either.  They understood that he had a real  shot at winning and went out of their way to show out.  Hell Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, two people who know how to draw a crowd and a camera, had enough sense to stay quiet because they understood that they if raised a hint of full fledged support it would only be used to damage Senator Obama's chance to become President Obama.</br><br></br><br>  As usual you can now count on black people to consider going against thier interests and decrease support due to him making a hard decision that helps Obama's viability in the fall.  Yet black people normally allow white candidates for office disregard them at every waking moment and how do they pay them back for such disrespect?  With a vote and a smile.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_03:14:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "eb3dfa83b5eb5fe5f60598d17d419bf5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967792": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Like McDonald's, all I can say is that I am loving this. If Black folk would have voted on the issues and not race, many of you would not be in this position of dilemma, anguish, confusion and perplexion. <br></br><br>You attacked Shelia, Maxine, Tavis, Stephanie, Maya and converted John in your efforts to support Barry.</br><br></br><br>I say any of you that voted based on race, made excuse after excuse for Obama and/or did not demand more from Obama as it relates to the black community, deserve what you get. </br><br></br><br>You were warned.</br><br></br><br>By the way, I bet it was Michelle who kept the family at Trinity this long - not Barack Obama. He is an appeasing weasle that would have left a long time ago despite his lies to the contrary.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_03:56:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "bc424f0452f2bb489274bb69f6f1642e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967793": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Well Terrence you may be making blanket assumptions. I voted for Obama because of his anti-war policy not for the church he went to. For some people their relationship with church is very important and they may project that onto Obama or posit how they'd like to see it handled. Clearly this is important to some people and if they use it as a litmus test then it is of value to them. That doesn't mean they won't support his candidacy. Heck we put Obama in the position of getting the nomination. We would do well to remind him of that, but he has astute advisors and they all know this. I actually have a little more respect for Jessie Jackson now that I know he was responsible for drawing up delegate allocations. I certainly didn't see him as a person to hold on a moral pedestal though. He was just part of that Civil Rights Industrial Complex and I really didn't see him as being effectual. Now I know I was wrong! Fellowship is an important aspect of our spiritual relationship - whatever our belief system is. I would not place that as the singular means of having and maintaining that relationship however. Perhaps we can lay some groundwork like Jackson did to ensure future Black candidates are not held to such a double standard. Perception holds a lot of sway with people good or bad and we would do well to remember that.<br></br><br>********</br><br>I want to talk about why there was a need for the Rules Committee to have met AT ALL. FL & MI broke the rules and should have gotten nothing. Here we have Hill & Bill trying to give all of us the big F-U and even now they  insult the candidate and the voters. This was from Maggie [Mammy] Williams:</br><br></br><br>\"Harold Ickes and Tina Flournoy made the following statement:</br><br></br><br>Today\u2019s results are a victory for the people of Florida who will have a voice in selecting our Party\u2019s nominee and will see its delegates seated at our party\u2019s convention.  The decision by the Rules and Bylaws Committee honors the votes that were cast by the people of Florida and allocates the delegates accordingly. </br><br></br><br>We strongly object to the Committee\u2019s decision to undercut its own rules in seating Michigan\u2019s delegates without reflecting the votes of the people of Michigan. </br><br></br><br>The Committee awarded to Senator Obama not only the delegates won by Uncommitted, but four of the delegates won by Senator Clinton. This decision violates the bedrock principles of our democracy and our Party. </br><br>We reserve the right to challenge this decision before the Credentials Committee and appeal for a fair allocation of Michigan\u2019s delegates that actually reflect the votes as they were cast.  \"</br><br></br><br>Does this sound like a concession in the works or enthusiastic support? It just seems like Obama is damned if he does or damned if doesn't do something.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_04:55:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "1572c9b90152e199379cfb228c0cc759", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967794": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "heartsandflowers,<br></br><br>Obama will cross the \"magic number\" this week.  Once he does that he's the nominee.  At that point, Hillary can appeal to as many committees as she wants. . . it won't make a bit of difference.</br><br></br><br>As a matter of fact, I think I heard that she doesn't even have the votes she needs on the credentials committee.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_07:10:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "d1a8e45844ef20a90904a65e60371f42", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967795": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<i>He's not invited. He better not walk back in. Not in my church.</i><br></br><br>::</br><br></br><br>How Christian. How forgiving.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_07:50:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "9bf0971c139c9dc33659e8ed441e4f5e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967796": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Politically speaking, it had to be done.<br></br><br>But culturally speaking, I'm disappointed that Barack couldn't see fit to FIGHT the media in order to bring about a change in their coverage, depiction, and treatment of Black folk.  </br><br></br><br>The media have been rewarded for their mockery of a Black institution--an institution that they never cared to understand or appreciate in the past, and won't care a thing about in the future.</br><br></br><br>This was simply an exercise in \"flexing\" on the media's part--to remind us that <i>they</i> control <i>us</i>, not the other way around.  Most Black folks held firm.  I wish Barack had done the same.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_07:55:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "25c2ebf4464c5d95fa227ddd4a0d2fe5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967797": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"What Obama did today may have been politically necessary. It was certainly politically expedient. And it is yet one more blow to Obama\u2019s image as a different kind of politician. In fact, as we\u2019ve learned over the last few months, Obama appears to be a Chicago politician through and through. When he perceived a threat to his<br>self-interest, he cut his ties to first his pastor and then his church, both of which he had expressed familial love and fidelity. This whole episode is deeply unattractive, even as it is deeply revealing.</br><br></br><br>Underneath the attractive veneer of Barack Obama beats the heart of a very, very ambitious man. Time will tell how problematic this may be and what snares this character trait may eventually lead him into.\"</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_08:04:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "bbb5f18b1f882407561a7f27f4fb2937", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967798": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You can't run for president without being a member of a church, so this is a good time to make preliminary bets on what church he will join next. I'm sure someone on his staff is doing the numbers and running a focus group about whether joining a Reform Synagogue will get him the votes he needs in Florida and a few other states, or, more plausibly, joining a Catholic Church will solve some of his massive problems with the blue collar \"ethnic\" Democrats, who are, regardless of national background, mostly Catholic. But maybe this is the moment to go after the Evangelicals? Or maybe he could just join a nice, mainline Protestant church in his neighborhood. Do residents of Hyde Park go to church?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_08:10:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967799": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "For the very first time, I agree with s.<br></br><br>Barack has seen fit to allow the Democratic Party to treat him (and the vast majority of its Black constituents) with utter contempt and disgrace.  Many in the media treated him and us just the same.</br><br></br><br>Yet Barack took the opportunity to punish Trinity for <i>its</i> actions rather than the Democratic Party and mainstream media that have mocked and ridiculed him and us for over a year now.</br><br></br><br>I'll certainly forgive him this mistake, but he'd better start showing more courageous examples of CHANGE ... and quickly.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_08:13:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "25c2ebf4464c5d95fa227ddd4a0d2fe5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967800": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "In the aftermath of this saga, it should begin to dawn on attentive observers that Barack Obama represents a type that flourishes on many college campuses. The technical term that applies to Obama is b.s. artist. Obama is an overaged example of the phenomenon, but his skills in the art have brought him great success he's not giving it up now.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_08:22:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967801": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Obama left Trinity Church for the same reason he joined it -- political opportunism. The theology was always something he could take or leave. Both facts, the opportunism and the agnosticism about Rev. Wright's brand of black liberation theology, reflect very poorly on Obama.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_08:27:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967802": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Trinity's leadership could have taken the time to recognize that the white media would be all over them.  Rather than maintain a Godly and loving image, they fought back and raised the level inflammation.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_08:45:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "25c2ebf4464c5d95fa227ddd4a0d2fe5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967803": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This has been interesting reading and I can't say I have read all the posts but most of them. <br></br><br>What I am excited about is black blogs like JJP and the lively discussions. Something is really happening in the black middle class and I am looking forward to how we are going to impact the future of American politics. </br><br></br><br>I get sad when I hear people here being overly harsh on their fellow black people, writing things like \"you people\" and arguing as if there is one right way to be an independent, successful and happy black person. But I by no means want JJP to be some kind of black haven where we all agree. I say keep up the disagreements because it was white racism that said we all think and look alike. It's only through talking and diversity of opinions that liberating change occurs so keep it up!</br><br></br><br>I think I am as close to neutral as you can get on Obama. I will vote for him just because he seems most able to create some stability in the country when compared to McCain or even Clinton (who is finally a non-issue, right?). But as a person or politician, I am not that excited about him. Nor do I think anyone should be \"excited\" about a politician - that is the road to totalitarianism.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_09:15:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967804": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This is the same anon commentator from above: just wanted to add that the lack of attention on Obama's positions and policies (and he does have them - check out his website) is really worrying. It is self-indulgent to focus on reality show-like scandals and Obama's blackness when our country is going down the toilet.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_09:20:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967805": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Trinity and Rev. Wright did him no favors at all.  Rev. Wright did a great speech after the NAACP and then had to blow it with his attention whoring.  What is that white man getting up and saying those things knowing the chruch is being watched?  Obviously it's not all about him helping them, but about his future as well.  There comes a time when you have to leave something.  Now is the time.   I guess it was  mutual. <br></br><br>The fact is nobody is watching Hillary and McCain's chruch because they are white.   I don't agree with everything Obama does, but I also realize the reason he does it.  The man can't change the world and the media in every way, even if that would be nice.  Nobody looked fairly at Trinity because nobody knew a thing about black churches other then Roland Martin on CNN and he's barely seen. </br><br></br><br>You know Obama didn't want to have to leave.  He could have left and threw Wright under the bus when the original comments came out.  He could have left before he ran for president and he didn't.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_09:26:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967806": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "@anon June 1 5:10am<br></br><br>Loved that comment! Thanks for making me smile</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_09:29:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967807": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Barack Obama is just a human being. he just so happens to be seen as black. I assume the majority of us here are people who get seen as black and treated accordingly. Negotiating white-dominated institutions is exhausting at times and this man is trying to access the most elite of white elite clubs in the US and some people seem to expect him to do it without compromising? White people can even get there without compromising. <br></br><br>I am not making excuses for him because he is choosing that path, but I just want people to be real about what all of us are mired in and I don't think any of us are uncompromised black Americans. We are all sold out somewhere in us - that's being human! We aren't islands.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_09:37:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967808": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "anonymous:<br></br><br>Here, here, ditto.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_10:01:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "555b9b929d53b153dec595af7090ac7a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967809": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "ditto to anon 5:10 that is.<br></br><br>maybe a thread can be started to take bets, assuming the focus group has run it by the msm first.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_10:04:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "555b9b929d53b153dec595af7090ac7a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967810": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Thanks Ronnie B.,<br></br><br>I agree with your assessment 100%. That is how I feel. </br><br></br><br></br><br>1. Politically, he had to. Some people here are acting as if we don\u2019t know that. We do! However it still makes us sad.</br><br></br><br>2. The hypocrisy, double standard and racism in this were glaring. </br><br></br><br>You said: \"But culturally speaking, I'm disappointed that Barack couldn't see fit to FIGHT the media in order to bring about a change in their coverage, depiction, and treatment of Black folk.\u201d </br><br></br><br>You also said:</br><br></br><br>\u201cThe media have been rewarded for their mockery of a Black institution--an institution that they never cared to understand or appreciate in the past, and won't care a thing about in the future.</br><br></br><br>This was simply an exercise in \"flexing\" on the media's part--to remind us that they control us, not the other way around. Most Black folks held firm. I wish Barack had done the same.\"</br><br></br><br>That was great. That\u2019s how I feel too. You know, our society has been doing this for decades and centuries. They have always got away with it. As I keep saying, I am infuriated at the media not necessarily Barack and not Trinity. Trinity has been doing what they have been doing for 36 years. </br><br></br><br>\"Barack has seen fit to allow the Democratic Party to treat him (and the vast majority of its Black constituents) with utter contempt and disgrace. Many in the media treated him and us just the same.</br><br></br><br>Yet Barack took the opportunity to punish Trinity for its actions rather than the Democratic Party and mainstream media that have mocked and ridiculed him and us for over a year now.</br><br></br><br>I'll certainly forgive him this mistake, but he'd better start showing more courageous examples of CHANGE ... and quickly.\"</br><br></br><br>That's how I feel too.</br><br></br><br></br><br></br><br>Gov. Rendell was praising Farrakhan...on stage!! Its hypocrisy. Where was the media there. There is no footage of Obama doing that yet they continued to hammer him about Farrakhan. The litmus test must go.</br><br></br><br>It's hard to believe in CHANGE, have HOPE and UNITY when I feel this way. These people went unchecked. Somebody in the media, somebody black needs to put them in check.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_11:17:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b8623e8e850161265a6267d83471b3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967811": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Also, I am offended to the heights when people assume that those who dont agree with this decision are shortsighted or are trying to say that Obama is not \"black enough\". Stop with that rhetoric. <br></br><br>That is not the case. It is far from it.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_11:21:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b8623e8e850161265a6267d83471b3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967812": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think Obama is trying to pick his battles.  The point of this is to take McCain on the issues (health care, the economy, Iraq) and Trinity was going to be a distraction to that.<br></br><br>And here's the other thing, maybe Obama really does disagree with what Pfleger said.</br><br></br><br>Maybe he really does disagree with some of Wright's comments.</br><br></br><br>Maybe he really didn't want Trinity to be under the microscope for the next several months.</br><br></br><br>Maybe his decision wasn't entirely politically motivated.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_11:25:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "bc67a38bb57ec2663caef9c8162bfd38", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967813": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Obviously this took time! There was some anguish in the decision. And believe it or not it will be the Churches who are held most accountable, and judged first. Frankly, I wonder how much of the Word was getting into some of these sermons as hell bent on politics they seem to have been. This would definitely not be my choice of congregation. However, this was the place Obama called home for two decades and now it is not. People leave churches for various reasons, his are more obvious than most. I challenge anyone to say they actually thought he was still in attendance? And if you knew he was not, then why jump on this as if it is a surprise. What God would have you do for you and His will is almost always going to raise some eyebrows. I worry for my fellow Christians when people are expounding the virtue of being tied until death to a Church without any question of what God would have you or in this case, Obama to do. Spiritual growth at times means CHANGE.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_11:37:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967814": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Anon 8:37-<br></br><br>You bought the media narrative in regards to the church. Obama is not getting spiritual growth. However he is getting political growth (to an extent). </br><br></br><br></br><br>Terrence-</br><br></br><br>Get a Life!! You black Hillary Clinton supporter!!Not here! Go talk about your desperate candidate! There is nothing more embarassing than supporting Hillary Rodham \"And I'm Telling You I'm Not Going, Tonya Harding\" Nixon. </br><br></br><br>I still am behind Obama 100% however we hold the right to agree and disagree. The fact is that the man was backed into a corner by the white mainstream media whose job it is to look out for the white establishment and social order. </br><br></br><br>Obama is the man for the job not Hilla-monster.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_12:09:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "6b8623e8e850161265a6267d83471b3d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967815": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Look, would people please watch the ENTIRE press conference before going off and making ASSumptions? <br>Link to part 1 (there are 3 parts) is here: <a href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH4orJm2lWw%3C/br%3E%3Cbr%3Ejust\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH4orJm2lWw</br>...</a> cut and paste.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_12:23:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967816": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Also, please read the following entry from Daily Kos:<br><a href=\"http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/1/82050/07995/193/526607\" rel=\"nofollow\">Shake off the Pixie Dust!</a></br><br></br><br></br><br>And here's the direct link to part 1 of the press conference I posted above:</br><br><a href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH4orJm2lWw\" rel=\"nofollow\">Part 1 of press conference re: Church and DNC R&B; decision</a>.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_12:33:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967817": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Tell you what the fuss is about...<br></br><br>Rev. Wright and Rev. Moss are great leaders of our Black Liberation Theology. Their mistake was that they informed the white man.  Hell, in slave days, the white plantation master wouldn't even allow his black uncle tom slaves to learn to read and write.  Do you, my brothers, think that the whitey establishment is going to allow ANY organized teaching thats going to lead our people away from the white economic slavery of today?  Dude, wake up, and stop telling the white man our plans.  Obama aint goings to get elected now that the black cat is out of the bag.  Bolika!!!</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_13:59:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967818": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "First off, to the people who think he's just going to sign up to the nearest Catholic Church because he needs the demo: I really hope not.<br> </br><br>The UCC is a mainstream, national denomination. I doubt it'll be hard to find another church within the UCC family. AFAIK, not all UCC churches look like Trinity. </br><br></br><br>Secondly, I do believe the split w/ TUCC didn't come easy. I mean for goodness sake, he named his book after one of the sermons he heard from Rev. Wright himself. It's extremely inconvienient politically yet he still did it. I think that says something.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_14:05:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "8a4628e7b609d6c00976089cb70854f0", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967819": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Ronnie B said...<br></br><br>   \" Politically speaking, it had to be done.</br><br></br><br>    But culturally speaking, I'm disappointed that Barack could not see fit </br><br></br><br>to FIGHT the media in order to bring about a change in their coverage, </br><br></br><br>depiction, and treatment of Black folk.\"</br><br> </br><br>I agree with Ronnie on this. That said, it has been extraordinarily </br><br></br><br>difficult  for his family and church family, he said the media has </br><br></br><br>disrupted his church in a negative way.That could be the reason he is </br><br></br><br>leaving. This all speaks to the media, the pundits, and Corporate America. </br><br></br><br>So much of the mainstream media is owned by a small group of powerful </br><br></br><br>interest. </br><br>The last candidate they would want in power would be one who is not </br><br></br><br>Huxlian. I found this information after reading a corporate talking head </br><br></br><br>comment that American's would not be informed of the following because it </br><br></br><br>would cause them to consider the morality of Corporate America. Well, it </br><br></br><br>has and all I can ask is, Where is your pension money invested in? This </br><br></br><br>could be another Enron in the making.</br><br></br><br>From the Aisan Times</br><br></br><br> Take the oil prices. You will not here any of this in the mainstream:</br><br>Since the advent of oil futures trading and the two major London and New </br><br></br><br>York oil futures contracts, control of oil prices has left the Organization </br><br></br><br>of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) and gone to Wall Street. It is </br><br></br><br>a classic case of the \"tail that wags the dog\".</br><br></br><br>A June 2006 US Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations report on </br><br></br><br>\"The Role of Market Speculation in rising oil and gas prices\" noted, \"... </br><br></br><br>there is substantial evidence supporting the conclusion that the large </br><br></br><br>amount of speculation in the current market has significantly increased </br><br></br><br>prices\".</br><br></br><br>What the senate committee staff documented in the report was a gaping </br><br></br><br>loophole in US government regulation of oil derivatives trading so huge a </br><br></br><br>herd of elephants could walk through it. That seems precisely what they </br><br></br><br>have been doing in ramping oil prices through the roof in recent months.</br><br></br><br>The senate report was ignored in the media and in the Congress. The report </br><br></br><br>pointed out that the Commodity Futures Trading Trading Commission, a </br><br></br><br>financial futures regulator, had been mandated by Congress to ensure that </br><br></br><br>prices on the futures market reflect the laws of supply and demand rather </br><br></br><br>than manipulative practices or excessive speculation. The US Commodity </br><br></br><br>Exchange Act (CEA) states:</br><br></br><br>    Excessive speculation in any commodity under contracts of sale of such </br><br></br><br>commodity for future delivery ... causing sudden or unreasonable </br><br></br><br>fluctuations or unwarranted changes in the price of such commodity, is an </br><br></br><br>undue and unnecessary burden on interstate commerce in such commodity.</br><br></br><br>Further, the CEA directs the CFTC to establish such trading limits \"as the </br><br></br><br>commission finds are necessary to diminish, eliminate, or prevent such </br><br></br><br>burden\". Where is the CFTC now that we need such limits? It seems to have </br><br></br><br>deliberately walked away from its mandated oversight responsibilities in </br><br></br><br>the world's most important traded commodity, oil. As that US Senate report </br><br></br><br>noted:</br><br></br><br>    \"Until recently, US energy futures were traded exclusively on regulated </br><br></br><br>exchanges within the United States, like the NYMEX, which are subject to </br><br></br><br>extensive oversight by the CFTC, including ongoing monitoring to detect and </br><br></br><br>prevent price manipulation or fraud. In recent years, however, there has </br><br></br><br>been a tremendous growth in the trading of contracts that look and are </br><br></br><br>structured just like futures contracts, but which are traded on unregulated </br><br></br><br>OTC [over the counter] electronic markets. Because of their similarity to </br><br></br><br>futures contracts they are often called \"futures look-alikes\"</br><br>To read more go to:</br><br>A glance at the price for Brent and WTI futures prices since January 2006 </br><br></br><br>indicates the remarkable correlation between skyrocketing oil prices and </br><br></br><br>the unregulated trade in ICE oil futures in US markets.... </br><br></br><br>Keep in mind that ICE Futures in London is owned and controlled by a US </br><br></br><br>company based in Atlanta, Georgia.</br><br></br><br>A glance at the price for Brent and WTI futures prices since January 2006 </br><br></br><br>indicates the remarkable correlation between skyrocketing oil prices and </br><br></br><br>the unregulated trade in ICE oil futures in US markets. Keep in mind that </br><br></br><br>ICE Futures in London is owned</br><br></br><br>and controlled by a US company based in Atlanta, Georgia.</br><br></br><br>Over the past couple of years, global crude oil production has increased </br><br></br><br>along with increases in demand; in fact, during this period global supplies </br><br></br><br>have exceeded demand, according to the US Department of Energy</br><br></br><br>Dollar and oil link</br><br>A common speculation strategy amid a declining US economy and a falling US </br><br></br><br>dollar is for speculators and ordinary investment funds desperate for more </br><br></br><br>profitable investments amid the US securitization disaster to take futures </br><br></br><br>positions selling the dollar \"short\" and oil \"long\"</br><br></br><br></br><br>For huge US or EU pension funds or banks desperate to get profits following </br><br></br><br>the collapse in earnings since August 2007 and the US real estate crisis, </br><br></br><br>oil is one of the best ways to get huge speculative gains. The backdrop </br><br></br><br>that supports the current oil price bubble is continued unrest in the </br><br></br><br>Middle East, in Sudan, in Venezuela and Pakistan and firm oil demand in </br><br></br><br>China and most of the world outside the US. Speculators trade on rumor, not </br><br></br><br>fact.</br><br></br><br>In turn, once major oil companies and refiners in North America and </br><br></br><br>European Union countries begin to hoard oil, supplies appear even tighter </br><br></br><br>lending background support to present prices.</br><br></br><br>Because the OTC and London ICE Futures energy markets are unregulated, </br><br></br><br>there are no precise or reliable figures as to the total dollar value of </br><br></br><br>recent spending on investments in energy commodities, but the estimates are </br><br></br><br>consistently in the range of tens of billions of dollars.</br><br></br><br>The increased speculative interest in commodities is also seen in the </br><br></br><br>increasing popularity of commodity index funds, which are funds whose price </br><br></br><br>is tied to the price of a basket of various commodity futures. Goldman </br><br></br><br>Sachs estimates that pension funds and mutual funds have invested a total </br><br></br><br>of approximately $85 billion in commodity index funds, and that investments </br><br></br><br>in its own index, the Goldman Sachs Commodity Index, have tripled over the </br><br></br><br>past few years. US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is a former chairman of </br><br></br><br>Goldman Sachs.</br><br></br><br>F William Engdahl is author of A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil </br><br></br><br>Politics and the New World Order. He may be contacted at </br><br></br><br>info@engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_14:16:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967820": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "To Anon 10:59<br> </br><br>This is exactly why I support Hillary Clinton.  You, unwittingly, have now exposed the fact which we all knew.  Namely, that Barack Obama is from a radical BLT church and that he really holds the white man accountable for his problems (not discounting that 8 of 9 murders in New Orleans are black on black.) I am horrified that you people in BLT are brainwashing black children to think that honest white Americans want to harm them.  How outlandish and rube-centered thinking!!!!  Obama should be thanking we people for even building Princeton University so that he would have a chance at a good US education.  I mean, really, when was the last time that a white student chose Howard University over George Washington.  I am so desperate right now....to reach out to the millions of black-type people of this country and to hold them and to say  \"White people love you.\"  It was only from my mother, who had lots of black maids, that I would have even been exposed to the black race, but that has all changed since integration.  Not that integration would not have occurred naturally within a few decades anyhow.  Oh, well, go Hillary.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_14:19:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967821": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "anonymous 11:19 - Oh my God!!!! I cannot believe that you said that!! Don't you realize that you are spouting racist remarks. Look, I am supporting Senator Clinton, but I would rather you just vote for Obama.  Not in my party.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_14:24:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967822": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think that we all need to calm down.  It's not the religion, it's the person.  Senator Obama, for all his mistakes, will be our nominee. So, just vote Democratic like you always have and we'll all come out of this election in one piece. See you in Denver.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_14:28:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967823": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The Obama - Trinity issue is not dead...Wolfe Blitzer was discussing it today on CNN with a Republican strategist...I never thought Wolfe would see out our party for ratings.  Somebody reel that moron back to reality.  Obama in 08!!! <br></br><br>On another topic, Obama is down 17 pts against McCain on two national security issues, North Korea and East-West relations.  Obama might want to consider visiting North Korea.</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_14:42:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967824": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You bought the media narrative in regards to the church. Obama is not getting spiritual growth. However he is getting political growth (to an extent).<br>_____</br><br>Correction. I'm pulling from my own experiences with God when I use the term \"spiritual growth\". Does that tie into other aspects of life? Absolutely. Spirituality/Career/Family are intertwined based on the Word. I'm not here to make this a theology debate, however I felt the need to comment since so many where on a religious high horse. I also don't think the media is framing this as anything other than a \"sensational\" story. They could care less about faith outside the demographics talk .</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_15:39:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "7c4455626754e1b9bc3be232b1024136", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "1967825": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "<b><i>\"He's not invited. He better not walk back in. Not in my church</i></b><br></br><br>Wow melissa, like that?  See that is precisely the kind of \"christian\" mindset that keeps alot people from going to church.  Is that what Jesus would do?  How ignorant...</br>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-01_19:45:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "63b159f0f2351eb699374dd9c7d8a3da", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}}, "integration": {"receiver_url": "", "theme": 4, "reply_position": true, "disqus_logo": false}, "timer": {"timer_url": "http://localhost:8005", "thread_id": "1511150", "user_id": "anonymous", "forum_id": "21630", "hash": -7408548027445043635}, "thread": {"days_alive": 0, "slug": "the_obamas_leave_trinity", "paginate": false, "num_pages": 1, "num_posts": 160, "per_page": 0, "total_posts": 0, "realtime_paused": true, "id": 1511150, "queued": false}, "reactions_limit": 10, "context": {"show_reply": true, "use_fb_connect": true, "forum_facebook_key": "bd6a8bc56f8eb204984f34b6fefe228d", "use_yahoo": false, "subscribed": false, "use_twitter_signin": true, "use_openid": false, "realtime_speed": 5000}, "reactions_start": 0, "settings": {"debug": false, "disqus_url": "http://disqus.com", "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"}, "media_url": "http://media.disqus.com"};
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	this.SHARE_ON = "Share on";
	this.TWEET_THIS_COMMENT = "Tweet this comment";
	this.SHARE_ON_NEWSFEED = "Share on news feed";
	this.SEND_UPDATE_TO_YAHOO = "Send update to Yahoo!";
	this.REBLOG_ON = "Reblog on";
	this.CONFIGURE_OPTIONS = "Configure options";
	this.POST_AS = "Post as";
	this.SORT_BY = "Sort by";
	this.SUBSCRIBE_BY_EMAIL = "Subscribe by email";
	this.SUBSCRIBE_BY_RSS = "Subscribe by RSS";
	this.POPULAR_NOW = "Popular now";
	this.BEST_RATING = "Best Rating";
	this.NEWEST_FIRST = "Newest first";
	this.OLDEST_FIRST = "Oldest first";
	this.HIGHLIGHTED = "Highlighted";
	this.UNSUBSCRIBE = "Unsubscribe";
	this.REQUIRED = "Required";
	this.OPTIONAL = "Optional";
	this.YOU_ARE_COMMENTING_AS_A = "You are commenting as a";
	this.LOGIN_BELOW = "Login below";
	this.PLEASE_LOGIN_BELOW_TO_COMMENT = "Please login below to comment.";
	this.SUBSCRIBE_TO_ALL_COMMENTS_BY_EMAIL = "Subscribe to all comments by email";
	this.DO_NOT_SUBSCRIBE_TO_COMMENTS = "Do not subscribe to comments";
	this.REALTIME_UPDATING_IS = "Real-time updating is";
	this.ENABLED = "enabled";
	this.PAUSED = "paused";
	this.PAUSE = "Pause";
	this.RESUME = "Resume";
	this.SHOW = "Show";
	this.JUST_NOW = "Just now";
	this.REPLY = "Reply";
	this.EDIT = "Edit";
	this.FLAG = "Flag";
	this.MODERATE = "Moderate";
	this.CANCEL = "Cancel";
	this.REPLYING_TO = "Replying to";
	this.REPORT_MISSING_REACTIONS = "Report missing reactions";
	this.POST_A_COMMENT = "Post a comment";
	this.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT = "Flag inappropriate comment";
	this.FLAGGED = "Flagged";
	this.NO = "No";
	this.YES = "Yes";
	this.NEVER_MIND = "Never mind";
	this.ARE_YOU_SURE_YOU_WOULD_LIKE_TO_REPORT_THIS_COMMENT_TO_A_MODERATOR = "Are you sure you would like to report this comment to a moderator";
	this.THIS_WILL_FLAG_COMMENTS_FOR_MODERATORS_TO_TAKE_ACTION = "This will flag comments for moderators to take action";
	this.TO_RATE_PLEASE_LOG_IN = "To rate, please log in";
	this.JUST_A_MOMENT = "Just a moment...";
	this.GUEST = "Guest";
	this.NAME = "Name";
	this.EMAIL = "Email";
  this.WEBSITE = "Website";
  this.SETTINGS = "Settings";
  this.MODERATOR_OPTIONS = "Moderator options: ";
};
// Dsq.Strings

/**
 * Dsq.FmtStrings: functions that return interpolated UI strings
 */
Dsq.FmtStrings = new function() {
	// Seems we have to use named interpolation for Django to translate. Investigate more.
	this.LOGGED_IN_AS = function(username) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate('Logged in as %(username)s', {username:username});
	};

	this.LOGOUT_FROM = function(disqus) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate('Logout from %(disqus)s', {disqus:disqus});
	};

	this.SHOWING_COMMENTS_FULL = function(total, num) {
		if (num === 1) {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> of <span id='dsq-total-posts'>%(total)s</span> comment", {num:num, total:total});
		} else {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> of <span id='dsq-total-posts'>%(total)s</span> comments", {num:num, total:total});
		}
	};

	this.SHOWING_COMMENTS_WITHOUT_PAGINATION = function(num) {
		if (num === 1) {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> comment", {num:num});
		} else {
			return Dsq.Utils.interpolate("Showing <span id='dsq-num-posts'>%(num)s</span> comments", {num:num});
		}
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_COMMENTS = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s comment'
				: '%(num)s comments'
			), {num:num});
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_LIKES = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s like'
				: '%(num)s likes'
			), {num:num});
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_POINTS = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s point'
				: '%(num)s points'
			), {num:num});
	};
};
// Dsq.FmtStrings





Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN = '3a1994e3330279e78957da82fb64f754';
Dsq.COMMENTS_RE = /(<li.*?id="?dsq-comment-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/li>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_RE = /(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-header-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/div>)\s*(<div.*?class="?dsq-comment-body"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_BODY_RE = /\s*(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-message-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
// HACK: Safari ends with "-->" while other browsers end with "--&gt;" as expected.
Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE = /&lt;!--\[(.*?)\]--(?:>|&gt;)/gim;



var FragmentPacket = function(reader, writer, writer_url, is_child, receiveCallback) {
	var that = this;
	this.reader = reader;
	this.writer = writer;
	this.writer_url = writer_url;

	this.is_child = is_child || false;
	this.receiveCallback = receiveCallback;

	this._lastHash = null;

	this._accumMsg = '';

	this._lastSeqno = 0;

	this.MAX_DATA_LEN	= 1024;

	this.WAIT_TIME		= 10;

	this.READY		= 0x1;
	this.WRITING	= 0x2;
	this.FIN		= 0x4;
	this.ACK		= 0x8;

};

FragmentPacket.prototype.createListener = function() {
	var that = this;
	var listener = function() {
		that.recv();
	};
	return window.setInterval(listener, 10);
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.log = function(msg) {



};

FragmentPacket.prototype.recv = function() {
	var hash;
	if (/MSIE/.test(navigator.userAgent)) {

		hash = this.reader.name;
	} else {

		var hashIndex = this.reader.location.href.indexOf('#');
		if (hashIndex == -1) {
			return;
		}
		hash = this.reader.location.href.substring(hashIndex+1);
	}
	var flags = parseInt(hash.substring(0, 4), 10);
	var seqno = parseInt(hash.substring(4, 24), 10);
	var data  = hash.substring(24);

	if (this._lastHash !== hash) {
		this._lastHash = hash;
		this.log('recv: ' + hash);

		this.log(' flags: ' + flags);
		this.log(' seqno: ' + seqno + ' len: ' + hash.substring(4, 24).length + ' (' + hash.substring(4, 24) + ')');
		this.log(' data: ' + data + ' len: ' + data.length);

		this._lastSeqno = seqno;

		if (flags & this.WRITING) {
			this._accumMsg += data;
			this.sendFlag(this.ACK, seqno);
			if (flags & this.FIN) {
				this.log('recv finished: ' + decodeURIComponent(this._accumMsg));
				this.receiveCallback(decodeURIComponent(this._accumMsg));

				this._accumMsg = '';

				this.sendFlag(this.READY | this.ACK, this._lastSeqno);
			}
		}
	}

	return {
		flags: flags,
		seqno: seqno,
		data: data
	};
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.sendRawPacket = function(packet) {
	if (/MSIE/.test(navigator.userAgent)) {
		this.writer.name = packet;
	} else {

		this.writer.location.href = this.writer_url + '#' + packet;
	}

};

FragmentPacket.prototype.sendFlag = function(flag, seqno) {
	this.sendRawPacket(this._zerofill(flag, 4) + this._zerofill(seqno, 20));
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.send = function(msg) {
	this._send(0, encodeURIComponent(msg));
};

FragmentPacket.prototype._send = function(packetNum, msg) {
	var that = this;
	var recvBuf = this.recv();

	if (packetNum === 0) {

		if (!(recvBuf.flags & this.READY)) {
			this.log('client is not ready, waiting...');
			window.setTimeout(function() { that._send(packetNum, msg); }, this.WAIT_TIME);
			return;
		}
	} else {

		if (!( (recvBuf.flags & this.ACK) && (recvBuf.seqno === this._lastSeqno) )) {
			this.log('waiting for ack from client...');
			window.setTimeout(function() { that._send(packetNum, msg); }, this.WAIT_TIME);
			return;
		} else {
			this.log('received ack: ' + this._lastSeqno + ' ' + recvBuf.seqno);
		}
	}

	var flags = this.WRITING;
	var num_packets = Math.ceil(msg.length / this.MAX_DATA_LEN);
	this.log('num_packets: ' + num_packets);

	if (num_packets === packetNum) {

		this.log('message successfully sent!');
		this.sendFlag(this.READY | this.ACK, this._lastSeqno);
		return true;
	}

	this._lastSeqno++;

	if (packetNum == num_packets-1) {
		flags |= this.FIN;
	}

	var data = msg.substring(packetNum * this.MAX_DATA_LEN, (packetNum+1) * this.MAX_DATA_LEN);
	var packet = this._zerofill(flags, 4) + this._zerofill(this._lastSeqno, 20) + data;

	this.log('sending raw packet: ' + packet);
	this.sendRawPacket(packet);

	return this._send(packetNum + 1, msg);
};

FragmentPacket.prototype._zerofill = function(num, width) {
	var retval = num.toString();
	var retval_len = retval.length;
	for (var i = 0; i < width - retval_len; i++) {
		retval = '0' + retval;
	}
	return retval;
};

var PostMessagePacket = function(receiver, receiveCallback, id, receiverId) {
	var that = this;
	this.receiver = receiver;
	this.receiveCallback = receiveCallback;
	this.id = id;


	this.receiverId = receiverId;
};

PostMessagePacket.prototype.createListener = function() {
	var that = this;

	var listener = function(e) {

		if (!that.id) {
			that.id = e.data;
			return;
		}


		var id = e.data.split(';')[0];
		if (id !== that.id) {
			return;
		}
		var data = e.data.substring(e.data.indexOf(';') + 1);

		that.receiveCallback(data);
	};

	if (typeof window.attachEvent == 'function') {
		window.attachEvent('onmessage', listener);
	} else if (typeof window.addEventListener == 'function') {
		window.addEventListener('message', listener, false);
	} else {
		throw new Error('No method found to create event listener for PostMessagePacket.');
	}
};

PostMessagePacket.prototype.send = function(msg) {



	var needs_reget = false;
	try {
		if (typeof this.receiver.id == 'undefined' || typeof this.receiver.postMessage == 'undefined') {
			needs_reget = true;
		}
	} catch(e) {


	}
	if (needs_reget && typeof this.receiverId != 'undefined') {
		this.receiver = document.getElementById(this.receiverId).contentWindow;
	}

	var packet;
	if (!msg) {

		packet = this.id;
	} else {
		packet = this.id + ';' + msg;
	}
	this.receiver.postMessage(packet, '*');
};

PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id = null;
PostMessagePacket._get_unique_id = function() {
	var id = (new Date()).getTime();
	if (id == PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id) {
		id++;
	}
	PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id = id;
	return id.toString();
};

var JsonRpc = function() {

	this.ids = {};

	this.objectToJSON = function(obj) {
		var json = '';
		var results = [];

		if (obj === undefined || obj === null) {
			return 'null';
		}

		switch (obj.constructor) {
			case Object:
				for (var property in obj) {
					if (obj.hasOwnProperty(property)) {
						results.push(this.objectToJSON(property) + ': ' + this.objectToJSON(obj[property]));
					}
				}
				json = '{' + results.join(', ') + '}';
				break;
			case Array:
				for (var i = 0; i < obj.length; i++) {
					results.push(this.objectToJSON(obj[i]));
				}
				json = '[' + results.join(', ') + ']';
				break;
			case Number:
			case Boolean:
				json = obj.toString();
				break;
			case String:

				var specialChars = {'\b': '\\b', '\t': '\\t', '\n': '\\n', '\f': '\\f', '\r': '\\r', '\\': '\\\\'};

				json = obj.replace(/[\x00-\x1f\\]/g, function(match) {
					var ch = specialChars[match];
					return ch ? ch : '\\u00' + match.charCodeAt().toPaddedString(2, 16);
				});

				json = '"' + json.replace(/"/g, '\\"') + '"';
				break;
			default:

				json = 'null';
				break;
		}

		return json;
	};

	this.createHandler = function(send_func, registered_funcs) {
		var that = this;
		var handler = function(message) {

			try {
				var rpc = eval('(' + message + ')');
			} catch(e) {
				alert('bad JSON: ' + message);
				return;
			}
			if (rpc.method) {

				if (!registered_funcs[rpc.method]) {
					return;
				}

				var retval = registered_funcs[rpc.method].apply(null, rpc.params);
				if (rpc.id) {
					var response = {
						result: retval,
						error: null,	// TODO
						id: rpc.id
					};
					send_func(that.objectToJSON(response));
				}
			} else if(rpc.result) {

				if (!that.ids[rpc.id]) {
					return;
				}

				that.ids[rpc.id](rpc.result);
				delete that.ids[rpc.id];
			}
		};
		return handler;
	};

	this.execute = function(send_func, method, params, response_callback) {
		response_callback = response_callback || null;
		var id = (response_callback) ? (new Date()).getTime() : null;

		var request = {
			method: method,
			params: params,
			id: id
		};

		send_func(this.objectToJSON(request));

		if (id) {
			this.ids[id] = response_callback;
		}
	};
};
JsonRpc = new JsonRpc();

var ParentMessenger = function(childUrl, receiverUrl, container, receiveCallback) {


	if (navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Safari') >= 0 && parseInt(navigator.userAgent.substring(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Version/') + 8), 10) == 3) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	} else if (window.opera) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	}



	if (!receiverUrl &&
		navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Gecko') >= 0 &&
		parseFloat(navigator.userAgent.slice(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('rv:') + 3, navigator.userAgent.indexOf('rv:') + 6)) < 1.9) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	}


	if (/msie/i.test(navigator.userAgent) && !/opera/i.test(navigator.userAgent)) {


		if (document.domain == window.location.hostname) {
			receiverUrl = '';
		}
	}

	var that = this;
	this.childUrl = childUrl;
	this.receiverUrl = receiverUrl;
	this.container = container || document.body;

	this.packetHandler = null;


	this._ready = false;
	this._error = false;


	var _createReceiverForFragmentPacket = function() {

		that.receiver = document.createElement('iframe');
		that.receiver.src = receiverUrl;
		that.receiver.id = 'receiver_' + (new Date()).getTime();
		that.receiver.name = that.receiver.id;

		that.receiver.frameBorder = '0';
		that.receiver.frameSpacing = '0';
		that.receiver.style.borderStyle = 'none';

		var receiver_onload = function() {
			var receiver = document.getElementById(that.receiver.id).contentWindow;

			try {
				receiver.document.body.innerHTML = '';
			} catch(e) {

				that._error = true;
			}
			receiver.document.body.style.padding = '0px';
			receiver.document.body.style.margin = '0px';

			var child = receiver.document.createElement('iframe');
			child.id = 'child';
			child.name = 'child';
			child.src = that.childUrl;

			child.frameBorder = '0';
			child.frameSpacing = '0';
			child.style.borderStyle = 'none';
			child.style.width = '100%';
			child.style.height = '100%';
			receiver.document.body.appendChild(child);

			that.child = receiver.document.getElementById('child').contentWindow;
			that.receiver = receiver;

			that.packetHandler = new FragmentPacket(that.receiver, that.child, that.childUrl, false, receiveCallback);

			that._listener = that.packetHandler.createListener();

			that.packetHandler.sendFlag(that.packetHandler.READY, 0);

			that._ready = true;
		};

		that.receiver.onreadystatechange = function() {
			if (this.readyState == 'complete') {
				receiver_onload();
			}
		};

		that.receiver.onload = receiver_onload;







		if (Dsq.Utils.ie) {
			if (that.container.clientWidth === 0) {

				var _waitForWidth = function() {
					if (that.container.clientWidth > 0) {
						Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(that.container.id);
					} else {
						window.setTimeout(_waitForWidth, 100);
					}
				};
				_waitForWidth();

				that._once = false;
				that.receiver.onresize = function() {
					if (!that._once) {
						Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(that.container.id);
					}
					that._once = true;
				};
			}
		}

		that.container.appendChild(that.receiver);
	};


	var _createReceiverForPostMessage = function() {

		var receiver_onload = function() {

			that.packetHandler.send();
			that._ready = true;
		};

		var id = PostMessagePacket._get_unique_id();
		var receiverId = 'child_' + id;


		ParentMessenger['_receiver_onload_' + receiverId] = receiver_onload;

		that.container.innerHTML += '<iframe ' +
			'src="' + childUrl + '" ' +
			'id="' + receiverId + '" ' +
			'name="' + receiverId + '" ' +
			'onload="ParentMessenger._receiver_onload_' + receiverId +'();" ' +
			'></iframe>';

		that.receiver = document.getElementById(receiverId).contentWindow;
		that.packetHandler = new PostMessagePacket(that.receiver, receiveCallback, id, receiverId);
		that._listener = that.packetHandler.createListener();
	};

	if (typeof window.postMessage == 'function') {
		_createReceiverForPostMessage();
	} else {
		_createReceiverForFragmentPacket();
	}

};

ParentMessenger.prototype.sendMessage = function(message) {
	var that = this;
	if (!this._ready) {

		window.setTimeout(function() { that.sendMessage(message); }, 10);
		return;
	}
	this.packetHandler.send(message);
	return true;
};

Dsq.NewFrames = function(url) {
	this.url = url;
};

Dsq.NewFrames.prototype.init = function(onFailure) {
	var that = this;

	try {
		this.messenger = new ParentMessenger(this.url, Dsq.jsonData.integration.receiver_url, this.container, this.receive_callback);
	} catch(e) {
		if (typeof onFailure == 'function') {
			onFailure();
		}
	}

	if (typeof onFailure == 'function') {
		var iId = window.setInterval(function() {
			if (typeof that.messenger == 'undefined') {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
				return;
			}
			if (that.messenger._ready) {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
			} else if (that.messenger._error) {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
				onFailure();
			}
		}, 10);
	}
};

Dsq.NewFrames.prototype._execute = function(method, args, callback) {
	var that = this;
	if (typeof that.messenger == 'undefined') {
		return false;
	}
	JsonRpc.execute(
		function(msg) { that.messenger.sendMessage(msg); },
		method,
		args || [],
		callback);
	return true;
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame = function(container, parent_post_id) {
	var that = this;
	this.container = container;
	this.parent_post_id = parent_post_id;

	var sendFunc = function(msg) {

		Dsq.Debug.log('Dsq.ReplyFrame.sendFunc');
		that.messenger.sendMessage(msg);
	};


	var postComment_onSuccess = function(response) {
		Dsq.jsonData.posts[response.message.id] = response.message.post_meta;
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[response.message.post_meta.user_key]) {
			Dsq.jsonData.users[response.message.post_meta.user_key] = response.message.user_meta;
		}


		var reply_position = (typeof(disqus_insert_wrt_sort) == 'undefined' 
			? (Dsq.jsonData.forum.reply_position ? -1 : null) 
			: (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 2 ? null : -1));
		
		if (response.message.post_meta.approved) {
			Dsq.Post.insert(response.message.post_meta.parent_post_id || reply_position, response.message.id, response.message.post_meta.message);
		}

		Dsq.Templates.postComment_onSuccess(response, parent_post_id, response.message.id);
	};

	var postComment_onFailure = function(response) {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(response.message, 'Error');
		Dsq.Templates.postComment_onFailure(response, parent_post_id, response.message.id);
	};

	var editComment_onSuccess = function(response) {
		var post_id = parent_post_id;
		var message = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + post_id);
		
		message.innerHTML = response.message;
		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};
	
	var editComment_onFailure = function(response) {
		var post_id = parent_post_id;
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('Sorry, there was an error editing this comment.', 'Edit Error');
		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	var getUserByEmail_onSuccess = function(response) {
		var msg = response.message;
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(parent_post_id);

		if (msg.username) {

			Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(parent_post_id, 'login', {
				'username': msg.username,
				'display_name': msg.display_name,
				'avatar_url': msg.avatar_url,
				'verified': msg.verified,
				'email': fields.email.value
			});
		} else {

			Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(parent_post_id, 'register');
		}
	};

	var validateAuth_onSuccess = function(response, auth_choice) {
		Dsq.Templates.postComment(parent_post_id, null, true, auth_choice);
	};

	var validateAuth_onFailure = function(response, auth_choice) {
		var pid = parent_post_id ? '-' + parent_post_id : '';
		var msg = response.message;

		if (auth_choice == 'register') {
			var fields = ['email', 'username', 'password'];

			for (var i = 0; i < fields.length; i++) {
				var field = fields[i];
				var errorDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-' + field + '-errors' + pid);

				if (msg[field]) {
					errorDiv.innerHTML = msg[field];
				} else {
					errorDiv.innerHTML = '';
				}
			}
		} else if (auth_choice == 'login') {
			Dsq.$('dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid).innerHTML = '<p>We couldn\'t log you in. Please verify your login.</p>';
		}
		
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	this.receive_callback = JsonRpc.createHandler(sendFunc, {
		'postComment.onSuccess': postComment_onSuccess,
		'postComment.onFailure': postComment_onFailure,
		'editComment.onSuccess': editComment_onSuccess,
		'editComment.onFailure': editComment_onFailure,		
		'getUserByEmail.onSuccess': getUserByEmail_onSuccess,
		'validateAuth.onSuccess': validateAuth_onSuccess,
		'validateAuth.onFailure': validateAuth_onFailure,
		'reload': function() { window.location.reload(); }
	});

	this.url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY +
		'?' + (new Date()).getTime() +
		'&f=jackandjillpolitics' +
		'&t=the_obamas_leave_trinity' +
		'&ff=' + Dsq.Thread.ff +
		'&default_text=' + disqus_default_text +
		'&ifrs=' + encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css);
	if (this.parent_post_id) {
		this.url += '&parent_post=' + this.parent_post_id;
	}
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype = new Dsq.NewFrames(Dsq.ReplyFrame.url);

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.post = function(author_name, author_email, author_url, authenticate, sharing_services, subscribe) {
	this._execute('postComment', [author_name, author_email, author_url, authenticate, sharing_services, subscribe]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.edit = function(post_id, message) {
	this._execute('editComment', [post_id, message]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.setState = function(parent_post_id, depth) {
	this._execute('setState', [parent_post_id, depth]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.getUserByEmail = function(email) {
	this._execute('getUserByEmail', [email]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.validateAuth = function(auth_choice, email, username, password) {
	this._execute('validateAuth', [auth_choice, email, username, password]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.authenticateFacebook = function(session, forum_url) {
	this._execute('authenticateFacebook', [session, forum_url]);
};

	Dsq.Facebook = function() {
	var that = this;

	var handleSessionData = function(session) {

		var forum_url = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;




		if (typeof disqus_facebook_forum != 'undefined') {
			forum_url = disqus_facebook_forum;
		}
		Dsq.frames.reply_0.authenticateFacebook(session, forum_url);
	};

	var onLogin = function() {
		FB.Connect.getSignedPublicSessionData(handleSessionData);
	};

	this.login = function() {
		FB.Connect.requireSession(onLogin, true);
	};
};
Dsq.Facebook = new Dsq.Facebook();


	






Dsq.Themes = {};

Dsq.Themes.narcissus = new function() {
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-form-area';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-textarea-wrapper';



	
	this.header = function() {
		var comments_count, total_posts, num_posts;
		var html = '';
		var missing_perm_tmpl;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.missing_perm) {
			missing_perm_tmpl = Dsq.Templates.missingPermissions();
			if (missing_perm_tmpl) {
				html += '<div class="dsq-missing-permissions">' + missing_perm_tmpl + '</div>';
			}
		}

		total_posts = Dsq.jsonData.thread.total_posts;
		num_posts = Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_posts;

		if (total_posts) {
			comments_count = Dsq.FmtStrings.SHOWING_COMMENTS_FULL(total_posts, num_posts);
		} else {
			comments_count = Dsq.FmtStrings.SHOWING_COMMENTS_WITHOUT_PAGINATION(num_posts);
		}

		html += ' \
		<div id="dsq-comments-title"> \
			<h3>' + comments_count + '</h3> \
		</div> \
		';

		html += ' \
		<div class="dsq-options"> \
			<span class="dsq-item-sort">'
				+ Dsq.Strings.SORT_BY + ' \
				<select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);"> \
					<option value="hot" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 4 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.POPULAR_NOW + '</option> \
					<option value="best" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 3 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.BEST_RATING + '</option> \
					<option value="newest" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 2 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.NEWEST_FIRST + '</option> \
					<option value="oldest" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 1 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.OLDEST_FIRST + '</option> \
				</select> \
				&nbsp; \
			</span> \
			<span class="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
				<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle"> \
				<span id="dsq-subscribe">'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.subscribed
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.UNSUBSCRIBE + '</a>'
						: '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_BY_EMAIL + '</a>')
				+ '</span> \
			</span> \
			<span class="dsq-subscribe-rss" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle"> \
				<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/bullet-feed.png" alt="" /> \
				<a href="http://jackandjillpolitics.disqus.com/the_obamas_leave_trinity/latest.rss">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_BY_RSS + '</a> \
			</span> \
		</div> \
		';

		
		

		return html;

	};
	
	this.footer = function() {
		var html = '';

		html += Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		
		
			html += Dsq.Templates.realtime();
			html += Dsq.Templates.showThreadSettings();
			html += Dsq.Templates.postBox();

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.trackbacks();
		


		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator) {
 			html += ' \
				<div class="dsq-global-moderator-extras">'
					+ '<strong>shortname:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url
					+ '<strong>thread id:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.id
					+ '<strong>thread slug:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.slug
				+ '</div> \
			';
		}

		return html;
	};
	
	this.realtime = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			html += '<div id="dsq-realtime-options" class="dsq-options">'
					 + Dsq.Strings.REALTIME_UPDATING_IS + ' <strong id="dsq-realtime-status" style="text-transform: lowercase">' + Dsq.Strings.ENABLED + '</strong>. \
					 <a href="#" id="dsq-realtime-toggle" style="text-transform: capitalize"></a> \
					</div>';
		}

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
			html += ' \
				<div style="display: none" id="dsq-realtime-alert" class="dsq-realtime-alert"><span id="dsq-realtime-queued"></span> <a href="#" id="dsq-realtime-show"></a></div> \
			';
		}
		
		return html;
	};

	this.showThreadSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '<div id="dsq-thread-settings" class="dsq-thread-settings">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATOR_OPTIONS;
		html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.showSettings(); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.SETTINGS + '</a>';
		if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.reactions_enabled && Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.reportMissingReactions(); return false;">'
						+ Dsq.Strings.REPORT_MISSING_REACTIONS
						+ '</a>';
		}
		html +='</div>';

		return html;
	};

	this.postBox = function(post_id, use_fallback_iframe) {


		var html;
		var display_sharing_options = Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated;

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post) {
			return '';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote) {


			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.hasOwnProperty(Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain)) {
				display_sharing_options = false;
			}
		}
		
		if (post_id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];				
		}
		
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';

		var _requestUserInfo = function() {
			var html;



			var user_has_email = false;

			html = '<div class="dsq-request-user-info"> <!-- // If authenticated --> \
				<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT + '?ctkn=' + Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN + '" class="dsq-request-user-logout">' + Dsq.Strings.LOGOUT + '</a> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td rowspan="2">'
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE + '">' : '')
								+ '<img src="' + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR + '" width="48" height="48" class="dsq-request-user-avatar">'
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '</a>' : '')
						+ '</td> \
						<td class="dsq-request-user-name">'
								+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
									 ? '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-' + Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain + '">' + Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain + '</span>'
									 : (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_verified
											? '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span>'
											: '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span>'))
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? ' <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE + '">' : '') 
								+ Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username 
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '</a>' : '')
							+  (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && user_has_email ? ' <small>(<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.remoteAccountSettings(); return false;">change settings</a>)</small>' : '')
							+  (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? ' <small>(<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/info/" target="_blank">change name</a> or <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/avatar/" target="_blank">picture</a>)</small>' : '')
						+ '</td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-request-user-stats"> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.comments_count + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.comments_count == 1 ? 'comment' : 'comments') + '</span> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.likes_count + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.likes_count == 1 ? 'like' : 'likes') + '</span> \
							<span><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.points + '</big> ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.points == 1 ? 'point' : 'points') + '</span> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';
			return html;
		};

		var _loginOptions = function() {
			var html;
			html = ' \
			<div class="dsq-authenticate"> \
				<p class="dsq-autheneticate-copy">'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
					? Dsq.Strings.YOU_ARE_COMMENTING_AS_A + ' <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. ' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL + ': ' + Dsq.Strings.LOGIN_BELOW + '.'
					: Dsq.Strings.REQUIRED + ': ' + Dsq.Strings.PLEASE_LOGIN_BELOW_TO_COMMENT + '.')
				+ '</p> \
				<ul class="dsq-login-buttons">'
					+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-disqus.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Facebook.login(); return false;"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-facebook.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-twitter.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL(); return false" ><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-openid.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_yahoo ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Yahoo.startYahooConnect(); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/login-yahoo.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
				+ '</ul> \
			</div> \
			';
			return html;
		};

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {


			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {



				return '<div id="dsq-form-area" style="display:none"><div id="dsq-textarea-wrapper"></div></div>' + _loginOptions();
			} else {
				return '';
			}
		}

		html = ' \
		<div id="' + (post_id 
			? 'dsq-reply-post-' + post_id
			: 'dsq-new-post')
		 	+ '" class="dsq-post-area"> \
			<div class="dsq-dc-logo"> \
				<a href="http://disqus.com/comments" target="_blank"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/disqus-logo.png"></a> \
			</div>'
			+ (post_id 
				? '<h3>' + Dsq.Strings.REPLYING_TO + ' ' + userData.display_name + '</h3>'
				: '<h3>' + Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT + '</h3>')
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated 
				? _requestUserInfo()
				: _loginOptions() )
			+ '<div id="dsq-form-area' + pid + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-textarea"> \
				<div class="dsq-textarea-wrapper" id="dsq-textarea-wrapper' + pid + '"></div> \
			</div>'
			+ (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated
			? ' \
			<div class="dsq-post-fields"> \
				<form action="." method="GET" onsubmit="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, false); return false;"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-left"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-name' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (disqus_def_name ? disqus_def_name : (Dsq.jsonData.session.name ? Dsq.jsonData.session.name : Dsq.Strings.NAME + '" class="dsq-placeholder')) + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'name\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'name\')" /></div></td> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-right"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-website' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (Dsq.jsonData.session.url ? Dsq.jsonData.session.url : Dsq.Strings.WEBSITE + ' (' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL.toLowerCase() + ')" class="dsq-placeholder') + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'website\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'website\')" /></div></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-left"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-email' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (disqus_def_email ? disqus_def_email : (Dsq.jsonData.session.email ? Dsq.jsonData.session.email : Dsq.Strings.EMAIL + '" class="dsq-placeholder')) + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'email\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'email\')" /></div></td> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-right"> \
							<div class="dsq-subscribe"> \
								<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.chooseSubscribe(' + post_id + '); return false" class="dsq-subscribe-menu"><span id="dsq-subscribe-select' + pid + '">' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.subscribe_on_post ? Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_TO_ALL_COMMENTS_BY_EMAIL : Dsq.Strings.DO_NOT_SUBSCRIBE_TO_COMMENTS) + '</span> <small>&#9660;</small></a> \
								<ul class="dsq-panel" id="dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid + '"> \
									<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.setSubscribe(2, this, ' + post_id + '); return false">Subscribe to all comments by email</a></li> \
									<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.setSubscribe(0, this, ' + post_id + '); return false">Do not subscribe to comments</a></li> \
								</ul> \
								<input id="dsq-subscribe-on-post' + pid + '" type="hidden" value="' + Dsq.jsonData.request.subscribe_on_post + '" /> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
				</form> \
			</div>'
			: '')
			+ '<div class="dsq-post-footer"> \
				<div class="dsq-sharing-options" ' + (!display_sharing_options ? 'style="display:none;"' : '') + '> \
					<button class="dsq-button-small" onfocus="document.getElementById(\'dsq-post-button' + pid + '\').focus();"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.SHARING_OPTIONS + ' <small>&#9660;</small></span></button> \
					<div class="dsq-panel"> '
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-twitter' + pid + '"'
								  + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.twitter.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-twitter' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Twitter</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook
								&& (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook.enabled === true ||
										(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'facebook'))
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-facebook' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.facebook.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-facebook' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Facebook</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-yahoo' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.yahoo.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-yahoo' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Yahoo!</label> \
								</div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-tumblr' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.tumblr.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-tumblr' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Tumblr</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress !== undefined
								&& Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-wordpress' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.wordpress.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-wordpress' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Wordpress</label> \
								 </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype !== undefined
							  && Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-movabletype' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.movabletype.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
									<label for="dsq-sharing-movabletype' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' Movable Type</label> \
							   </div>'
							: '')
						+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad !== undefined
							  && Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad.enabled === true
							? '<div><input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-typepad' + pid + '"'
									+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.typepad.auto === true ? 'checked=true' : '') + '/> \
								  <label for="dsq-sharing-typepad' + pid + '">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' TypePad</label> \
							   </div>'
							: '')
						+ '<div><a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/connections/" target="_blank" class="dsq-configure-options">' + Dsq.Strings.CONFIGURE_OPTIONS + '</a></div>'
					+ '</div> \
				</div>'
				+ '<button class="dsq-button" id="dsq-post-button' + pid + '" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, false)"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.POST_AS + ' '
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username
					? Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username
					: Dsq.Strings.GUEST)
				+ '</span></button>'
				+ (post_id
					? '<button class="dsq-button" id="dsq-cancel-button' + pid + '" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(' + post_id +', this)"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.CANCEL + '</span></button>'
					: '')
			+ '</div>'
			+ '</div>' // end dsq-form-area
		+ '</div> \
		';
		
		return html;
	};




	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-append-post-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var html;
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		
		html = ' \
		<table> \
			<tr> \
				<td id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-avatar" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
					<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
					? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
					: '')
				+ '</a> \
				</td> \
				<td class="dsq-comment-header-meta"> \
		';

		
		return html;
	};
	
	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var html;
		var parent_display_name = '';
		
		if(_meta.parent_post_id) {

			var _parent_meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[_meta.parent_post_id];

			if (_parent_meta) {
				var parentUserData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_parent_meta.user_key];
				parent_display_name = parentUserData.display_name;
			}
		}

		html = ' \
		<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png" class="dsq-moderator-star" title="Moderator" /> \
		<span class="dsq-comment-header-time"><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')" title="Permalink">' + (_meta.is_realtime ? Dsq.Strings.JUST_NOW : _meta.date) + '</a></span> '
		+ (_meta.parent_post_id && parent_display_name
			? '<a href="#comment-' + _meta.parent_post_id + '" title="Jump to comment">in reply to ' + parent_display_name + '</a>'
			: '')
		+ '</td> \
		<td id="dsq-like-pts-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-comment-header-likes">'
		+ (_meta.points
			? _meta.points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(_meta.points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this.'
			: '')
		+ '</td> \
		</tr> \
		</table> \
		';
		return html;
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		var html = '';
		return html;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		var html;
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed || !_meta.approved) { return ''; }
		
		html = ' \
		<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer-left">'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
					? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.moderateOptions(' + post_id+ '); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATE + '</a>'
					: '')
				+ '<a href="#" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG + '</a> \
			</div> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer-right">'
				+ (_meta.votable 
					? '<span id="dsq-like-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-like">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<button class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1)" >Like</button>'
						: 'You liked this.&nbsp;&nbsp;')
					+ '</span>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<button class="dsq-button-small dsq-post-edit" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + ')" >' + Dsq.Strings.EDIT + '</button>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<span class="dsq-comment-footer-reply" id="dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(' + post_id +', this)"> \
						<button class="dsq-button-small">' + Dsq.Strings.REPLY + '</button> \
						<button class="dsq-comment-footer-reply-tab">' + Dsq.Strings.REPLY + '</button><span></span> \
					</span>'
					: '')
			+ '</div> \
		</div> \
		';
		
		return html;
	};



	
	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions" class="dsq-show-more-reactions"><button class="dsq-button-small" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</button></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		var item = '<li class="dsq-comment dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-comment-header"> \
			<table> \
			<tr> \
			<td class="dsq-header-avatar"> \
			';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'" class="dsq-avatar">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {

			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar92.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== ''
				? '</a>'
				: '')
			+ '</td>'
			+ '<td><cite class="dsq-comment-cite">' + reaction.author_name + '</cite> <span class="dsq-comment-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</span></td>'
			+ '<td class="dsq-comment-header-likes"></td>'
			+ '</tr></table></div>' // end dsq-comment-header
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header" \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-reaction-header-left">'
							+ '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png" />'
							+ ' From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
							+ 'via ' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? '<a href="http://backtype.com/">BackType</a>' : '<a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">UberVU</a>')
						+ '</td>'
						+ '<td class="dsq-reaction-header-right">';
			
			if(reaction.retweets) {
				var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
				if (num_retweets > 0) {
					if (num_retweets == 1) {
						item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
					} else {
						item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');
						item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
						var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 3) ? 3 : num_retweets;
						item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);
						if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
							item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
								+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
						}
					}
				}
			}	
			item += '</td></tr> \
			</table> \
			</div>' // end dsq-reaction-header
			+ '<div class="dsq-comment-body"> \
				<div class="dsq-comment-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '</div> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer"> \
				<div class="dsq-comment-footer-left"> \
				</div>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator 
					? ' \
					<div class="dsq-comment-footer-right"> \
						<button class="dsq-button-small dsq-hide-reaction" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + ')">Hide</button> \
					</div>'
					: '')
			+ '</div>'
		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions" class="dsq-show-more-reactions"><button class="dsq-button-small" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</button></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 id="dsq-reactions-title" class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-container"> \
			<table> \
				<tbody> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-tl"></td><td class="dsq-popup-b"></td><td class="dsq-popup-tr"></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-b"></td> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-body"> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
								<div class="dsq-popup-title"> \
									<button class="dsq-button-small" style="float:right" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)">Close</button>' 
									+ content['header'] 
								+ '</div>'
								+ content['body']
							+ '</div> \
							<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
						</td> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-b"></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-bl"></td><td class="dsq-popup-b"></td><td class="dsq-popup-br"></td> \
					</tr> \
				</tbody> \
			</table> \
		</div> \
		';
	};



	
	this.chooseSubscribe = function(post_id) {

		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var menu = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid);
		
		menu.style.display = menu.style.display == 'block' ? 'none' : 'block';
		
	};
	
	this.setSubscribe = function(value, el, post_id) {

		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var input = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-on-post' + pid);
		var select = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-select' + pid);
		var menu = Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-menu' + pid);
		
		select.innerHTML = el.innerHTML;
		input.value = value;
		this.chooseSubscribe(post_id);
	};
	
	this.getFormFields = function(post_id) {

		var fields = {};
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var name = Dsq.$('dsq-field-name' + pid);
		var email = Dsq.$('dsq-field-email' + pid);
		var website = Dsq.$('dsq-field-website' + pid);
		var username = Dsq.$('dsq-field-username' + pid);
		var password = Dsq.$('dsq-field-password' + pid);

		fields = {
			'name': name,
			'email': email,
			'website': website,
			'username': username,
			'password': password
		}
		
		return fields;
	}
	
	this.validateFields = function(post_id) {
		
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) { return true; }
		
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		
		var nameField = fields.name;
		var websiteField = fields.website;
		var emailField = fields.email;
		
		websiteField.value = (websiteField.value == Dsq.Templates.placeholder['website']) ? '' : websiteField.value;
		
		var v = [{

			validator: Dsq.Validators.name,
			value: nameField.value
		}, {

			validator: Dsq.Validators.email,
			value: emailField.value
		}, {

			validator: Dsq.Validators.url,
			value: websiteField.value
		}];
		
		return Dsq.Validators.validate(v, function(e) { Dsq.Popup.popModal(e, 'Oops...') } );
	};
	
	this.checkExistingUser = function(post_id) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);		
		Dsq.Popup.loading(post_id);
		
		if (post_id) {
			Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].getUserByEmail(fields.email.value);
		} else {
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'].getUserByEmail(fields.email.value);
		}
	};

	this.validateAuth = function(el_clicked, post_id, auth_choice) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		var email = fields.email ? fields.email.value : '';
		var username = fields.username ? fields.username.value : '';
		var password = fields.password ? fields.password.value : '';
		
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
		
		if (post_id) {
			Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].validateAuth(auth_choice, email, username, password);
		} else {
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'].validateAuth(auth_choice, email, username, password);
		}
	};

	this.lightboxUpdateEmail = function(post_id, new_email) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		fields.email.value = new_email;
	};

	this.lightboxAuthenticate = function(post_id, auth_choice, auth_data) {
		var title, body;
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';

		if(typeof(auth_data) == 'undefined') {
			var auth_data = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		}

		d = auth_data;

		switch(auth_choice) {
			case 'register':
				var suggestedUsername = d.name.value.replace(/[^a-zA-Z0-9-]/g,'').toLowerCase();
			
				title = Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post ? 'Optional:' : 'Required:';
				title += ' Register a <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-profile.png" alt=Disqus Profile" />';

				body = ' \
				<ul class="dsq-lightbox-register-reasons"> \
				<li>Verify your comments</li> \
				<li>Edit and delete comments</li> \
				<li>Manage comments and replies</li> \
				</ul> \
				';

				body += ' \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-fields"> \
					<table> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Email</td> \
							<td><input type="text" value="' + d.email.value + '" onchange="Dsq.Templates.lightboxUpdateEmail(' + post_id + ', this.value)" /><div id="dsq-email-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Username</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-username' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + suggestedUsername + '"/><div id="dsq-username-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Password</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-password' + pid + '" type="password" /><div id="dsq-password-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
					</table> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-switch-auth"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(' + post_id + ',\'login\'); return false">Login instead</a></div> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid + '" class="dsq-lightbox-errors"></div> \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-submit"> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-post"><button class="dsq-button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.validateAuth(this, ' + post_id + ',\'' + auth_choice + '\')">Register and Post comment</button></div>'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
						? '<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-skip"><button class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, true)">Just post as a Guest</button></div>'
						: '')
				+ '</div> \
				';
				break;
			case 'login':
				title = Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post ? 'Optional:' : 'Required:';
				title += ' Login to your <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-profile.png" alt=Disqus Profile" />';
				body = '';
				
				if(d.avatar_url) {
					body += '<div class="dsq-lightbox-recognized"><table><tr>';
					body += '<td><img src="' + d.avatar_url + '" alt="" /></td>';
					body += '<td><span class="dsq-badge ' + (d.verified ? 'dsq-badge-verified' : 'dsq-badge-registered') + '">' + (d.verified ? 'Verified' : 'Registered') + '</span></td>';
					body += '<td>Hey <strong>' + d.display_name + '</strong>, is that you? Login below to claim this comment.';
					body += '</tr></table></div>';
				}

				body += ' \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-fields"> \
					<table> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Username or Email</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-username' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (d.avatar_url ? d.username : '') + '" /></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Password <a href="http://disqus.com/forgot" target="_blank">(cannot log in?)</a></td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-password' + pid + '" type="password" /></td> \
						</tr> \
					</table> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-switch-auth"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(' + post_id + ',\'register\'); return false">Register instead</a></div> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid + '" class="dsq-lightbox-errors"></div> \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-submit"> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-post"><button class="dsq-button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.validateAuth(this, ' + post_id + ',\'' + auth_choice + '\')">Login and Post comment</button></div>'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
						? '<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-skip"><button class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, true)">Just post as a Guest</button></div>'
						: '')
				+ '</div> \
				';
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
		Dsq.$('dsq-field-username' + pid).focus();
	};
	
	this.buttonsToRestore = [];
	this.setLoadingButton = function(btn, post_id) {
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		if (btn) {

			var loadingBtn = document.createElement('button');
			loadingBtn.id = btn.id + '-loading';
			loadingBtn.innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-lite.gif" alt="" /> Just a moment...';
			loadingBtn.className = btn.className + ' dsq-post-loading';
			btn.parentNode.appendChild(loadingBtn);
			btn.style.display = 'none';
			var cancelBtn = Dsq.$('dsq-cancel-button' + pid);
			if(cancelBtn) { cancelBtn.style.display = 'none'; this.buttonsToRestore.push(cancelBtn); }
			this.buttonsToRestore.push(btn);
		} else {

			var buttons = this.buttonsToRestore;
			for(var i = 0; i < buttons.length; i++) {
				buttons[i].style.display = 'inline';
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$(buttons[i].id + '-loading'));
			}
		}
		
	};

	this.postComment = function(post_id, el_clicked, force, auth_choice) {
		var append_id = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);

		if (Dsq.Templates.validateFields(post_id)) {

			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && !force &&
				((!Dsq.Utils.readCookie('skipped_auth') && !disqus_skip_auth && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled) || !Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post)) {
				Dsq.Templates.checkExistingUser(post_id);
				return false;
			}
			var params = [];
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
				params.push(fields.name.value,
					fields.email.value,
					fields.website.value);

				if (auth_choice == 'login' || auth_choice == 'register') {
					params.push({
						auth_choice: auth_choice,
						username: fields.username.value,
						password: fields.password.value,
						email: fields.email.value
					});
				} else {
					params.push(null);
				}

				params.push(null /* sharing options */, Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-on-post' + append_id).value);
			} else {
				var service_checked = function(name) {
					var el = Dsq.$('dsq-sharing-' + name + append_id);
					return (el !== null && el.checked === true) ? '1' : '0';
				};
				params.push(null, null, null, null, {
					tw: service_checked('twitter'),
					fb: service_checked('facebook'),
					tr: service_checked('tumblr'),
					wp: service_checked('wordpress'),
					mt: service_checked('movabletype'),
					tp: service_checked('typepad'),
					yh: service_checked('yahoo')
				});
			}

			var frame = Dsq.frames['reply_' + (post_id ? post_id : 0)];
			frame.post.apply(frame, params);

			if (el_clicked) {
				Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
			}
			
			if (force) {
				Dsq.Utils.createCookie('skipped_auth', true);	
			}
			
		} else {
			return false;
		}
	};

	this.editComment = function(el_clicked, post_id) {
		var edited_message = Dsq.$('dsq-edit-textarea-' + post_id).value;

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
		Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].edit(post_id, edited_message);
	};

	this.toggleEdit = function(post_id) {
		var body = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-body-' + post_id);
		var message = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + post_id);

		if (!Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id]) {


			message.style.display = 'none';
			if (Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id)) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id).style.display = 'block';
			} else {

				var edit_area = document.createElement('div');
				edit_area.id = 'dsq-edit-' + post_id;
				edit_area.className = 'dsq-edit dsq-textarea';
				edit_area.innerHTML = ' \
				<div class="dsq-textarea-wrapper"> \
					<textarea class="dsq-edit-textarea" id="dsq-edit-textarea-' + post_id + '">' + message.innerHTML + '</textarea> \
				</div> \
				<div class="dsq-save-edit"> \
					<button onclick="Dsq.Templates.editComment(this, ' + post_id + ')" class="dsq-button-small">Save Edit</button> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-edit-iframe-' + post_id + '" style="display: none"></div> \
				';

				body.appendChild(edit_area);

				if (!Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-edit-iframe-' + post_id), post_id);
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].init();
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].setState(post_id, _meta.depth);
				}
			}
		} else {

			message.style.display = 'block';
			Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id).style.display = 'none';
		}
		
		Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id] = !Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id];
	};
	
	this.edit = function(el, post_id) {

		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(post_id, button) {
		
		if(!this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]) {

			if (Dsq.$('dsq-reply-post-' + post_id)) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).style.display = 'block';
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.postBox(post_id);
				var container = Dsq.$('dsq-textarea-wrapper-' + post_id);
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id] && container) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(container, post_id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].init(function() {

						Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.postBox(post_id, true);
						Dsq.$('dsq-form-area-' + post_id).innerHTML = '';

						var theme = (typeof disqus_frame_theme == 'undefined') ? 'default' : disqus_frame_theme;
						Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-form-area-' + post_id), post_id, {theme: theme});

					});
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].setState(post_id, _meta.depth);
				}
			}
			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-append-post';
			Dsq.$('dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-comment-footer-reply-active';
			
		} else {

			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).className = '';
			Dsq.$('dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-comment-footer-reply';
		}
		
		this.stateReplyToggled[post_id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[post_id];

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie && this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]) {

		}

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: post_id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]
		});
	};
	
	this.moderateOptions = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		
		if(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator) { return false; }

		var html;
		
		html = ' \
		<div class="dsq-moderate-options"> \
		<table>'
		+ (_meta.email ? '<tr><td>Email</td><td>' + _meta.email + '</td></tr>' : '')
		+ (_meta.ip ? '<tr><td>IP address</td><td>' + _meta.ip + '</td></tr>' : '')
		+ '<tr> \
			<td>Actions</td> \
			<td><ul>'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
				? '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
				: '')
			+ '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Delete Comment</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li> \
			</ul></td> \
			</table> \
		</div> \
		';
		
		html += '<p>Go to the full <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/moderate/" target="_blank">moderate panel</a> for more options.</p>';
		
		return Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Moderate Options', post_id);
	};
	
	this.placeholder = {
		'class': 'dsq-placeholder',
		'name': Dsq.Strings.NAME,
		'email': Dsq.Strings.EMAIL,
		'website': Dsq.Strings.WEBSITE + ' (' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL.toLowerCase() + ')'
	};
	
	this.handlePlaceholder = function(evt, el, key) {
		var placeholder = Dsq.Templates.placeholder[key];
		var className = Dsq.Templates.placeholder['class'];
		
		switch(evt.type) {
			case 'focus':
				if(el.value == placeholder) {
					el.value = '';
					el.className = '';
				}
				break;

			case 'blur':
				if(el.value == '') {
					el.value = placeholder;
					el.className = className;
				}
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}
	};
	
	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked) {

		var extra_params = '';

		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked);
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'the_obamas_leave_trinity'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};
	
	
	this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {


		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-like-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
			}
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/vote.js'
				+ '?post_id='    + id
				+ '&vote='        + vote);
		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login('To rate, please log in');
		}
	};

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {

		Dsq.$('dsq-like-pts-' + post_id).innerHTML = points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this.';

		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-like-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.&nbsp;&nbsp;';
		}
	};




	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(response, parent_post_id, post_id) {
		var approved = response.message.post_meta.approved;

		if (parent_post_id) {
			Dsq.Post.toggleReply(parent_post_id);
		}

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
		
		if (approved) {
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		} else {			
			var unapproved_msg = 'Thanks for posting!\
	 Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.\
			';
			Dsq.Popup.popModal(unapproved_msg, 'Comment awaiting approval', post_id);
		}

		var sharing_results = response.message.sharing_results;
		var sharing_errors = '';
		for (var service in sharing_results) {
			if (sharing_results.hasOwnProperty(service) === true) {
				if (sharing_results[service].error === true) {
					sharing_errors += service + ', ';
				}
			}
		}

		if (sharing_results.facebook && sharing_results.facebook.callback) {
			FB.ensureInit(function() {
				FB.Connect.streamPublish('', sharing_results.facebook.attachment);
			});
		}

		if (sharing_errors !== '') {
			var message = 'Your comment was posted, but there were errors sharing with the following connections: ';
			message += sharing_errors.replace(/,\s$/, '');
			message += '<p><a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/connections" target="_blank">Configure your connections here</a></p>'
			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, 'Sharing options');
		}

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	this.postComment_onFailure = function(response, parent_post_id, post_id) {

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};
};




// TODO: It might be faster to use string methods to find all <li (...) </li> blocks and pass to Dsq.PostHandler manually.
Dsq.CommentsHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_post = Dsq.Templates.prependPost(post_id);
	var append_post = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(post_id);

	content = content.replace(Dsq.POST_RE, Dsq.PostHandler);
	Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter++;
	head = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContainer(post_id, head);
	return prepend_post + head + content + tail + append_post;
};

Dsq.PostHandler = function(str, h_head, post_id, h_content, h_tail, b_head, b_content, b_tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_header = Dsq.Templates.postPrependHeader(post_id);
	var append_header = Dsq.Templates.postAppendHeader(post_id);
	var prepend_body = Dsq.Templates.preBody(post_id);
	var append_body = Dsq.Templates.postBody(post_id);
	var append_footer = Dsq.Templates.postFooter(post_id);

	b_content = b_content.replace(Dsq.POST_BODY_RE, Dsq.PostBodyHandler);
	return h_head + prepend_header + h_content + append_header + h_tail + b_head + prepend_body + b_content + append_body + b_tail + append_footer;
};

Dsq.PostBodyHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	content = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContent(post_id, content);
	return head + content + tail;
};

Dsq.MediaPostHandler = function(str, args, offset, s) {
	args = args.split(' ');
	if(args[0] == 'seesmic') {
		return '<br />' + Dsq.Templates.mediaSeesmic(args[1], args[2]);
	}
	return '';
};


/**
 * Shorcuts
 */
Dsq.$ = function(element) { return document.getElementById(element); };
Dsq.$b = document.body || document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0];


/**
 * Dsq.Debug: Logging functions.
 */

Dsq.Debug = new function() {this.log=function(s){};this.profile=function(f){if(typeof f == 'function')return f();else return eval(f);};};


/**
 * Dsq.Urls: URL paths
 */
Dsq.Urls = new function() {
	this.LOGIN = '/profile/login/';
	this.LOGOUT = '/logout/';
	this.REPLY = 'http://jackandjillpolitics.disqus.com/the_obamas_leave_trinity/reply.html';
	this.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE = '/AnonymousUser/';
	this.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR = 'http://media.disqus.com/images/noavatar92.png';
};
// Dsq.Urls

/**
 * Dsq.Validators: Validation for form fields
 */
Dsq.Validators = new function() {
	this.VALID_EMAIL_RE = /^[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*\@(([a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*)+\.[a-z]{2,}|([0-9]+\.){3}[0-9]+)$/i;
	this.name = function(name) {
		var error = false;

		if(typeof Dsq.Templates.placeholder !== 'undefined' &&
		   name == Dsq.Templates.placeholder.name) {
			error = true;
		}
		if(name.length <= 1) {
			error = true;
		}

		if(error) {
			return "Please enter a name to comment.";
		} else {
			return true;
		}
	};
	this.email = function(addr) {
		if(Dsq.Validators.VALID_EMAIL_RE.test(addr)) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please enter a valid email to comment.";
		}
	};
	this.url = function(addr) {
		if(!addr || addr.indexOf('.') != -1) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please check your website URL (this field is optional).";
		}
	};

	this.validate = function(bulk_validation, failure_callback) {
		failure_callback = failure_callback || function(e){ alert(e); };

		for(var i = 0; i < bulk_validation.length; i++) {
			v = bulk_validation[i];
			ret = v.validator(v.value);
			if(ret !== true) {
				failure_callback(ret);
				return false;
			}
		}
		return true;
	};
};

/**
 * Dsq.Utils: Generic utility functions.
 */
Dsq.Utils = new function() {
	this.ie = /msie/i.test(navigator.userAgent) && !/opera/i.test(navigator.userAgent);
	this.ie7 = (document.all && !window.opera && window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true : false;
	this.ie6 = (!window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true: false;
	this.webkit = navigator.userAgent.indexOf('AppleWebKit/') >= 0;
	this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache = {};
	this._styleSheet = null;

	this.gebiFromElement = function(el, id, tag) {
		// This only method only helps IE.
		if(!this.ie) {
			return Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var cacheKey = el.id + '-' + tag;
			tag = tag || 'div';
			if(typeof this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] != 'undefined') {
				collection = this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey];
			} else {
				collection = el.getElementsByTagName(tag);
				this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] = collection;
			}

			for(var i = 0; i < collection.length; i++) {
				if(collection[i].id == id) {
					return collection[i];
				}
			}
			return null;
		}
	};

	this.execOnReady = function(func) {
		var node = document.createElement('document:ready');
		try {
			node.doScroll('left');
			func();
			node = null;
		} catch(err) {
			setTimeout(function() { Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(func); }, 10);
		}
	};


	// Courtesy of http://www.quirksmode.org/js/cookies.html
	this.createCookie = function(name,value,days) {
		if (days) {
			var date = new Date();
			date.setTime(date.getTime()+(days*24*60*60*1000));
			var expires = "; expires="+date.toGMTString();
		}
		else var expires = "";
		document.cookie = name+"="+value+expires+"; path=/";
	};

	this.readCookie = function(name) {
		var nameEQ = name + "=";
		var ca = document.cookie.split(';');
		for(var i=0;i < ca.length;i++) {
			var c = ca[i];
			while (c.charAt(0)==' ') c = c.substring(1,c.length);
			if (c.indexOf(nameEQ) == 0) return c.substring(nameEQ.length,c.length);
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.eraseCookie = function(name) {
		Dsq.Utils.createCookie(name,"",-1);
	};

	this.deleteNode = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			this.deleteChildren(node);
			if(typeof node.outerHTML != 'undefined') { node.outerHTML = ''; }
			else if(node.parentNode) { node.parentNode.removeChild(node); }
			delete node;
		}
	};

	this.deleteChildren = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			for(var x = node.childNodes.length-1; x >= 0; x--) {
				var childNode = node.childNodes[x];
				if(childNode.hasChildNodes()) { this.deleteChildren(childNode); }
				if(typeof childNode.outerHTML != 'undefined') { childNode.outerHTML = ''; }
				else node.removeChild(childNode);
				delete childNode;
			}
		}
	};

	this.findPos = function(obj) {
		var curleft = 0;
		var curtop = 0;
		if (obj.offsetParent) {
			do {
				curleft += obj.offsetLeft;
				curtop += obj.offsetTop;
			} while (obj = obj.offsetParent);
		}
		return [curleft,curtop];
	};

	this.getWindowSize = function() {
		var windowWidth = -1;
		var windowHeight = -1;

		if(typeof(window.innerWidth) == 'number') { //Non-IE
			windowWidth = window.innerWidth;
			windowHeight = window.innerHeight;
		} else if(document.documentElement) { // IE 6+ in 'standards compliant mode'
			windowWidth = document.documentElement.clientWidth || document.body.clientWidth;
			windowHeight = document.documentElement.clientHeight || document.body.clientHeight;
		}

		return [windowWidth, windowHeight];
	}

	this.getScrollPos = function() {
		var scrollWidth, scrollTop;

		if(document.documentElement && (document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.documentElement.scrollWidth)) {
			scrollWidth = document.documentElement.scrollWidth;
			// IE is weird here.  If no doctype is provided, document.body.scrollTop is 0,
			// otherwise document.documentElement.scrollTop is 0.
			scrollTop = document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.body.scrollTop;
		} else if(document.body.scrollTop && document.body.scrollWidth) {
			scrollWidth = document.body.scrollWidth;
			scrollTop = document.body.scrollTop;
		}

		return [scrollWidth, scrollTop];
	}

	this.addEventListener = function(instance, eventName, listener) {
		var listenerFn = listener;
		if (instance.addEventListener) {
			instance.addEventListener(eventName, listenerFn, false);
		} else if (instance.attachEvent) {
			listenerFn = function() {
				listener(window.event);
			};
			instance.attachEvent("on" + eventName, listenerFn);
		} else {
			throw new Error("Event registration not supported");
		}
		return {
			instance: instance,
			name: eventName,
			listener: listenerFn
		};
	};

	this.removeEventListener = function(event) {
		var instance = event.instance;
		if (instance.removeEventListener) {
			instance.removeEventListener(event.name, event.listener, false);
		} else if (instance.detachEvent) {
			instance.detachEvent("on" + event.name, event.listener);
		}
	};

	this.fixIframesIE = function(id) {
		var disqusThread = Dsq.$(disqus_container_id);
		var iframes = disqusThread.getElementsByTagName('iframe');

		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-content');
		}

		for(i = 0; i < iframes.length; i++) {
			if (container) {
				iframes[i].style.width = container.offsetWidth;
			}
		}
	};

	this.getElementsByClassName = function(oElm, strTagName, strClassName) {
	/* Credit: Jonathan Snook [http://www.snook.ca/jonathan], Robert Nyman [http://www.robertnyman.com] */
		var arrElements = (strTagName == "*" && oElm.all)? oElm.all : oElm.getElementsByTagName(strTagName);
		var arrReturnElements = new Array();
		strClassName = strClassName.replace(/\-/g, "\\-");
		var oRegExp = new RegExp("(^|\\s)" + strClassName + "(\\s|$)");
		var oElement;
		for(var i = 0; i < arrElements.length; i++) {
			oElement = arrElements[i];
			if(oRegExp.test(oElement.className)) {
				arrReturnElements.push(oElement);
			}
		}
		return (arrReturnElements);
	};

	this.postToUrl = function(url, post_data, opt_redirect) {
		var form = document.createElement('form');
		var iframe_container = document.createElement('div');
		var id = 'dsq-temp-iframe-' + (new Date()).getTime();

		form.method = 'POST';
		form.action = url;
		if (!opt_redirect) {
			form.target = id;
		}
		iframe_container.innerHTML = '<iframe style="display:none" name="' + id + '" id="' + id + '"></iframe>';

		for(var key in post_data) {
			if(post_data.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var input = document.createElement('input');
				input.name = key;
				input.type = 'hidden';
				input.value = post_data[key];

				form.appendChild(input);
			}
		}

		Dsq.$b.appendChild(iframe_container);
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(form);
		form.submit();
	};

	// Strips integer id from id of element in the form ('some-id-###')
	this.extractId = function(e) {
		var chunks = e.id.split('-');
		if(chunks.length <= 1) {
			return 0;
		} else {
			return parseInt(chunks[chunks.length-1]);
		}
	};

	this.getStyle = function(el, styleProp) {
		if(el.currentStyle) {
			var y = el.currentStyle[styleProp];
		} else if(window.getComputedStyle) {
			var y = document.defaultView.getComputedStyle(el, null).getPropertyValue(styleProp);
		}

		if(y == 'transparent' || y == '') {
			this.getStyle(el.parentNode, styleProp);
		} else {
			return y;
		}
	};

	this.execScript = function(url, append_qs, container) {
		var script = document.createElement('script');
		append_qs = typeof append_qs == 'undefined' ? true : append_qs;
		container = container || Dsq.container;

		if(append_qs) {
			var j = (url.indexOf('?') >= 0) ? '&' : '?';
			url += j + (new Date()).getTime();
		}
		script.type = 'text/javascript';
		script.charset = 'UTF-8';
		script.src = url;
		container.appendChild(script);
		return script;
	};

	this.pluralize = function(num, singular, plural) {
		return (num != 1) ? plural || 's' : singular || '';
	};

	this.getRequestParams = function(queryString /* optional */) {
		var pairs, tuple;
		var params = {};

		queryString = queryString || window.location.search.substring(1);
		pairs = queryString.split('&');

		for (var i = 0, pair; pair = pairs[i]; i++) {
			tuple = pair.split('=');
			params[tuple[0]] = (tuple[1] || true);
		}

		return params;
	};

	this.addCssRule = function(selector, styleText, index) {
		var stylesheet;
		index = index || 0;

		if(!this._styleSheet) {
			var styleEl = document.createElement('style');
			document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(styleEl);
			this._styleSheet = styleEl.sheet;
			if(!this._styleSheet) {
				// IE does not like our newly created stylesheet.
				this._styleSheet = document.styleSheets[document.styleSheets.length-1];
			}
		}
		stylesheet = this._styleSheet;

		if(stylesheet.insertRule) {
			var ruleText = selector + ' { ' + styleText + ' }';
			if(index == -1) {
				index = stylesheet.cssRules.length;
			}
			stylesheet.insertRule(ruleText, index);
		} else if(stylesheet.addRule) {
			stylesheet.addRule(selector, styleText, index);
		}
	};

	this.forEachIn = function(obj, callback) {
		for(var key in obj) {
			if(obj.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				callback(key, obj[key]);
			}
		}
	};

	this._interpolateGlobalContext = {
		// values that get used a lot and are global to the request
		'profile_url': Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE,

		'disqus_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url,
		'media_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url,
		'request_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.username,
		'request_display_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username,
		'forum_name': Dsq.jsonData.forum.name
	};

	this.renderFromContextStack = function(key, contexts) {
		// Returns the first instance of `key` in the array of objects `contexts` or else ''
		for (var i=0; i<contexts.length; i++) {
			if (contexts[i][key] !== undefined) {
				return String(contexts[i][key]);
			}
		}
		throw new Error('key ' + key + ' not found in context');
	};

	var that = this;
	this.interpolate = function(fmt, opt_localContext) {
		// Interpolate `fmt` named-format string with an assumed global context.
		// Based on `interpolate` in django.views.i18n
		var contextStack = [opt_localContext || {}, that._interpolateGlobalContext];
		return fmt.replace(/%\(\w+\)s/g, function(match){
			return that.renderFromContextStack(match.slice(2,-2), contextStack);
		});
	};

	this.stripTags = function(s) {
		// Removes HTML tags from `s`
		return s.replace(/(<([^>]+)>)/g,"");

	};

	this.assert = function(b) {
		if (!b) {
			throw new Error('Assertion error.');
		}
	};

};
// Dsq.Utils

/**
 * Dsq.Popup: Popup helper functions.
 */
Dsq.Popup = new function() {
	this.timeHide = new Array();
	this.timeShow = new Array();
	this.activePopup = {};
	this.profileCache = {};
	this.statusCache = {};

	this.showTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the hide timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeHide[post_id]);

		// start the timer
		if(!Dsq.Popup.profileIsOn && !Dsq.Thread.adminIsOn) {
			this.timeShow[post_id] = setTimeout("Dsq.Popup.popProfile(\"" + post_id + "\")", 400);
		}
	};

	this.hideTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the show timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeShow[post_id]);
	};

	this.updateProfile = function(username) {
		// Callback from /embed/profile.js
		if (this.statusCache[username]) {
			var statusEl = Dsq.$('dsq-profile-status-' + username);
			statusEl.innerHTML = this.statusCache[username];
			statusEl.style.display = 'block';
		}

		if (this.profileCache[username]) {
			var _cache = this.profileCache[username];

			var _genhtml = function(text) { return '<span><big>' + text + '</big></span>'; };
			var _no_comments = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_COMMENTS(_cache.comments_count));
			var _no_likes = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_LIKES(_cache.likes_count));
			var _no_points = _genhtml(Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_POINTS(_cache.points));

			var statsEl = Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + username);
			statsEl.innerHTML = '';

			if (Dsq.jsonData.users[username].registered) {
				statsEl.innerHTML = _no_comments + _no_likes;
			}
			statsEl.innerHTML += _no_points;

			var activeSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.active_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.active_sites[i];
				activeSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (activeSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = activeSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = 'This site.';
			}

			var moderatedSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.moderated_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.moderated_sites[i];
				moderatedSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (moderatedSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + username).innerHTML = moderatedSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + username).innerHTML = '';
			}
		}

		// Reposition popup after full HTML is rendered
		if(Dsq.Popup.activePopup && Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el) {
			Dsq.Popup.initPopup(Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.type);
		}

	};

	this.showCookieMsgs = function() {
		var title = '';
		var message = '';
		var numAlerts = 0;

		Dsq.Utils.forEachIn(Dsq.jsonData.cookie_messages, function(k, v) {
			if (!v) return;

			switch(k) {
				// Cookie: Twitter
				case 'post_twitter':
					if (v === 'error') {
						title = 'Twitter Error!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-error">Oops, we couldn\'t tweet this comment. Please check your <a href="http://disqus.com/account/services">account settings</a>.</li>';
					} else {
						var _msg = v.split(':');
						title = 'Tweeted!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-success">Your comment was successfully tweeted. <a href="http://twitter.com/' + _msg[0] + '/status/' + _msg[1] + '">Click here to view the tweet</a>.</li>';
					}
					break;
				// Cookie: Unapproved Post
				case 'post_not_approved':
					title = 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-not-approved">Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.</li>';
					break;
				// Cookie: Profile Found
				case 'post_has_profile':
					title = 'Use your existing commenter profile';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-has-profile">You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a></li>';
					break;
				case 'user_created':
					var _data = v.split(':');
					title = 'Profile created!';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-user-created">You have just created a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, the best way to claim, manage, and track your comments all over the web. \
					<br /><br />A confirmation is being sent to <strong>' + _data[1] + '</strong>. Please check for this email in order to verify your profile. \
					<ul class="dsq-list-tick"> \
						<li>Your username is <strong>' + _data[0] +'</strong>. <a href="http://disqus.com/people/' + _data[0] + '/" target="_blank">Click here to view your public profile</a>.</li> \
						<li>Be sure to set your profile picture, as well as connect your <span class="dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> and <span class="dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> accounts. <a href="http://disqus.com/account/" target="_blank">Click here for account settings</a>.</li> \
					</ul> \
					</li>'
					break;
				default:
					break;
			}
			numAlerts++;
		});

		if(numAlerts > 1) {
			message = '<ul class="dsq-list-bluebullet">' + message;
			message += '</ul>';
			title = 'Thanks for posting!';
		}
		if(numAlerts > 0) {
			if(typeof(disqus_cookie_msgs) == 'function') {
				disqus_cookie_msgs(message, title);
			} else {
				Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
			}
		}
	};

	this.helpBadges = function(post_id) {
		var html = ' \
			<ul class="dsq-popup-help"> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile with a confirmed email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, but has not yet confirmed his or her email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span> is not logged in with any account and has not claimed his or her comments.</li> \
				<li class="dsq-help-otheraccts">Other accounts</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> is using his or her Facebook profile via Facebook Connect.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> is using his or her Twitter profile via Twitter Sign-in.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-openid">OpenID</span> is using his or her OpenID.</li> \
			</ul> \
		';

		this.popModal(html, 'Help: Types of Commenters', post_id);
		return;
	};

	this.permalink = function(post_id) {
		var header = 'Link to this comment';
		var body = '<strong>You are anchored to</strong>:<br />' + document.location.protocol + '//' + document.location.host + document.location.pathname + document.location.search + '#comment-' + post_id;

		this.popModal(body, header, post_id);
	};

	this.login = function(header, body) {
		var h = header || 'Login or Register';
		var b = body || '';
		b += Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: 'dsq-popup-login'});
		b += '</iframe>'; // HACK: Sometimes there is something funky with the IFRAME SRC that causes no end tag
		this.popModal(b, h, null, true, 'dsq-popup-login');
	};

	this.blacklist = function(id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		var title = 'Add to Blacklist';
		var message = ' \
		Adding this person to the blacklist will block him or her from commenting on this site. Check the following types that you would like to add to the blacklist:'
		+ (userData['registered'] ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-username" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-username"><strong>Username</strong>: ' + userData['username'] + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ (_meta.email ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-email" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-email"><strong>Email address</strong>: ' + _meta.email + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ '<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
			<input id="dsq-blacklist-ip" type="checkbox" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-blacklist-ip-warning\').style.display=\'block\'"> \
			<label for="dsq-blacklist-ip"><strong>IP address</strong>: ' + _meta.ip + '</label> \
		</div> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p id="dsq-blacklist-ip-warning" style="display:none">	\
				Note: Blocking this person\'s IP address may also unintentionally prevent others, who share his/her IP address, from commenting on this site. \
				This may include people who are sharing the same computer, living in the same house, or using the same Internet provider. Only block an IP address as a last resort. \
			</p> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p style="text-align:center"><button onclick="Dsq.Post.blockUser(' + id + '); this.disabled=true; this.innerHTML=\'Just one moment...\'">Add to Blacklist</button></p> \
		';

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
	};

	this.remoteAccountSettings = function() {
		var body = '';
		// Set up IFrame.
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/_auth/embed/remote_settings/';
		var attributes = {id: 'dsq-popup-account-settings'};
		if (typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}

		body = Dsq.Templates._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
		this.popModal(body, 'Account Settings', null, true, 'dsq-popup-account-settings');
	};

	this.popModal = function(message, title, post_id, use_listener, extra_classes) {
		var container = document.createElement('div');
		var header, body;

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);

		if(typeof(title) == 'undefined') { title = ''; }
		if(typeof(use_listener) == 'undefined') { use_listener = true; }

		if(post_id) {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message-' + post_id;
		} else {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message';
		}

		header = title;
		body = message;

		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupModal(header, body);
		Dsq.Popup.initPopup(container, post_id, 'message', extra_classes);
		if(use_listener) {
			Dsq.Popup.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', Dsq.Popup._closePopup);
		}
	};

	this.popAlert = this.popModal;

	this.loading = function(post_id) {
		var title = Dsq.Strings.JUST_A_MOMENT;
		var body = '<div style="text-align:center; padding: 5px 0 10px 0"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif" alt="" /></div>'
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
	};

	this.lightbox = function(message, title, post_id) {
		// Wraps Dsq.Popup.popModal

		var overlay = document.createElement('div');
		overlay.id = 'dsq-overlay';
		overlay.className = 'dsq-overlay';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(overlay);
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, post_id, false, 'dsq-lightbox');
	};

	this.popProfile = function(post_id, userKey) {
		var post = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id];
		if (post && post.has_been_anonymized) {
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('This message was anonymized by its previous owner.', 'Anonymized', post_id);
			return;
		}

		if(post_id) {
			userKey = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id].user_key;	
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][userKey];
		var elId = 'dsq-popup-profile-' + userKey;
		var container = document.createElement('div');

		if(this.activePopup.el) {
			this._closePopup(null, true);
			if(this.activePopup.linkClicked) {
				this.activePopup.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		container.id = elId;
		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupProfile(userKey);

		this.initPopup(container, post_id, 'profile');
		this.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._closePopup);

		if(!this.profileCache[userKey]) {
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/embed/profile.js'
				+ '?username=' + userKey
				+ '&anon=' + (userData['registered'] ? 0 : 1)
				+ '&f=' + Dsq.jsonData['request'].forum);
		} else {
			this.updateProfile(userKey);
		}
	};

	this._closePopup = function(e, force) {
		var activePopup = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el;
		var id = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id;
		var link = 'dsq-avatar-' + id; // HACK: Specific to profile toggle target

		// HACK: This event should be gone if there is no active popup.
		if(!activePopup) {
			return;
		}
		if(force || !Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, activePopup.id)) {
			// TODO: This is breaking iE?
			if(Dsq.Popup.popupListener) {
				Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Popup.popupListener);
			}
			
			// Kill overlay
			var overlay = Dsq.$('dsq-overlay');
			if(overlay) { Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(overlay); }
			
			try {
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(activePopup);
			} catch(e) {
				// HACK: IE6 throws an error when using deleteNode() with a node containing a <table> in the html.
				activePopup.parentNode.removeChild(activePopup);
			}
			Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {};
		}

		if(!force && Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Popup.activePopup.linkClicked = true;
		}

	};

	this.initPopup = function(popup, post_id, type, extra_classes) {
		popup.className = 'dsq-popup dsq-popup-' + type + ' ' + (extra_classes ? extra_classes : '');
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6 || Dsq.Utils.ie7) {
			// HACK: We can't modify the body before it's ready, so we need
			//       to use an IE-safe "DOMReady" workaround before loading
			//       our popup.
			Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(function() {Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup); });
		} else {
			Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup);
		}

		popup.style.display = 'block';

		var xPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[0] - popup.offsetWidth) / 2;
		var yPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[1] - popup.offsetHeight) / 2;

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) {
			yPos += Dsq.Utils.getScrollPos()[1];
		}

		popup.style.left = xPos + 'px';
		popup.style.top = yPos + 'px';

		Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {
			'el' : popup,
			'id' : post_id,
			'type': type,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};
	};

	this.isClicked = function(e, id) {
		var t = e.target || e.srcElement;
		while(t && t.parentNode) {
			if(t.id == id) {
				return true;
			}

			t = t.parentNode;
		}
		return false;
	};
};
// Dsq.Popup

/**
 * Dsq.Templates
 */
Dsq.Templates = new function() {
	/*
	 * Counter keeping track of the number of posts iterated over.
	 */
	this.postLoopCounter = 0;
	this.filters = {};
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-post-add';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-post-add';

	this.registerTemplate = function(name, func) {
		this['$$_' + name] = func;

		if(typeof DsqLocal.Filters != 'undefined'
		&& typeof DsqLocal.Filters[name] == 'function') {
			// Push filters to this.filters to unify code.
			this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
			this.filters[name].push(DsqLocal.Filters[name]);
		}

		this[name] = function() {
			var ret;

			if(typeof DsqLocal.Templates != 'undefined'
			&& typeof DsqLocal.Templates[name] == 'function') {
				ret = DsqLocal.Templates[name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(ret === undefined) {
				ret = this['$$_' + name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(this.filters[name]) {
				var args = [ret];

				args.push.apply(args, arguments);
				for(var i = 0; i < this.filters[name].length; i++) {
					ret = this.filters[name][i].apply(this, args);
				}
			}

			return ret;
		};
	};

	this.registerFilter = function(name, func) {
		this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
		this.filters[name].push(func);
	};

	/**
	 * Dsq.Templates.Filters
	 */
	this.Filters = new function() {
		this.commentContainer = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var classes = [];
			if(Dsq.jsonData.request.page > 1) {
				classes.push('dsq-append');
			}

			//
			// Extra classes used for custom themes
			//

			if(_meta.depth) {
				classes.push('dsq-comment-child', 'dsq-depth-' + _meta.depth, 'dsq-parent-is-' + _meta.parent_post_id);
			}


			//

			if(_meta.author_is_creator) {
				// TODO: We need to deprecate the "special" class since it is not properly prefixed.
				classes.push('special', 'dsq-special');
			}
			if(_meta.author_is_moderator) {
				classes.push('dsq-moderator');
			}
			classes.push(['dsq-odd', 'dsq-even'][Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter % 2]);

			s = s.substring(0, s.lastIndexOf('>'));
			return s + ' class="dsq-comment ' + classes.join(' ') + '" style="margin-left:' + _meta.depth*30 + 'px">';
		};

		this.commentContent = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			if (_meta.killed) {
				return '<em>Comment removed.</em>';
			} else if (!_meta.approved) {
				return '<em>This comment was flagged for review.</em>';
			}

			s = s.replace(Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE, Dsq.MediaPostHandler);
			return s;
		};
	};

	//
	// Thread
	//
	// TODO: These need to be stripped of all Django template tags.

	this.authPost = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			return '';
		}
		var result = [];
		result = result.concat([
				'<div id="dsq-auth"',
						Dsq.jsonData.integration.reply_position ? 'class="dsq-auth-bottom"' : '',
						'>',
					'<div class="dsq-by">',
						'<a href="http://disqus.com" target="_blank">',
							(Dsq.jsonData.integration.disqus_logo ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/by-disqus.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">') :
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/dsq-button-120x19.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">')
							),
						'</a>',
					'</div>',
					'<div class="dsq-auth-header">',
						'<h3 id="dsq-add-new-comment" class="dsq-h3-addcomment">',
								Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT,
						'</h3>',
						'<div id="dsq-login">',
						(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
								? '<p class="dsq-login-message" id="dsq-login-message">You are commenting as a <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. You may select one to log into:</p>'
								: '')
		]);
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			result = result.concat([
							Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
								'<a id="dsq-login-toggle" href="%(disqus_url)s%(login_url)s?next=article:%(thread_id)s" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsq-profile-btn.png" title="%(log_into)s" alt="%(log_into)s"/></a>',
								{login_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGIN, thread_id: Dsq.jsonData.thread.id, log_into: Dsq.Strings.LOG_INTO_DISQUS}
								),
							'&nbsp; ',
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ?
								'<div id="dsq-fbc-login" onlogin="DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin()" size="medium" background="light" length="short" style="display:inline; margin-right:7px"></div>' :
								''
							),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-twitter-login" class="dsq-twitter-login" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect();" style="display:inline; cursor: pointer"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/twitter-signin-short.png" style="margin-right:7px" /></div>', {}) : ''),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-openid-login" class="dsq-openid-login" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL();" style="display:inline; cursor:pointer;"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/openid-login-button.png"/></div>', {}
								) : '')
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
						'</div>', // dsq-login
					'</div>', // dsq-auth-header
					'<div id="dsq-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated" ',
						Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated ? 'style="display:block"' : '',
						'>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-pic">',
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">' +
																			'<img class="dsq-post-avatar" src="%(avatar_url)s" alt="" /></a>',
																			{avatar_url: Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR,
																			url: (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
																					 ? Dsq.jsonData.request.url
																					 : Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE) }),
						'</div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>', {url:Dsq.jsonData.request.url})
										  )
										: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(profile_url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>')
											)
									),
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">',
									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsqicon12.png" alt="%(logged_in_as)s"/>&nbsp',
											{logged_in_as: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username)})
										: ''),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="%(logout_from_disqus)s">',
											{logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN, logout_from_disqus: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('DISQUS')})
										: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'twitter')
												? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using Twitter (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
												 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
												: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'openid')
													 ? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using OpenID (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
													 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
													 : ''
													)
											)
									),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote ? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('<span class="logo-disqus">DISQUS</span>') : ''),
									'</a>',
								'</li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
		]);
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect) {
			result = result.concat([
					'<div id="dsq-fbc-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated">',
						'<div id="dsq-fbc-profilepic" class="dsq-authenticated-pic" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.ProfilePic" size="square" facebook-logo="true"></div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									'Logged in as <span id="dsq-fbc-name" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.Name" linked="true" useyou="false"></span>',
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">using Facebook Connect <a href="#" onclick="javascript:DisqusFbcParentController.logout();return false;">(Logout)</a></li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
				'</div>', // dsq-auth
				'<div id="dsq-toolbar-items">',
				'</div>'
		]);
		result = result.concat([
					//
					//
					//
				((!Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) ?
					// Needs to be translated:
					('<p id="dsq-no-anon-msg">Required: Please log into <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> ' +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? 'or connect with Facebook ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? 'or sign in with Twitter ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? 'or sign in using OpenID ' : '') +
					Dsq.Utils.interpolate('to comment on <strong>%(forum_name)s</strong>.</p>')) :
					''
				),
				'<div id="dsq-post-add"></div>',
				'<div style="margin:10px 0">',
				((Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media) ?
						'<a href="#" id="dsq-media-link" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, false, \'media\'); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.USE_MEDIA + ' <small>&#9660;</small></a>' :
						''),
				'</div>'
		]);
		return result.join('');
	};


	this.header = function() {

		var html = '\<h3 id="dsq-comments-count" class="dsq-h3-commentcount">\
	 <span id="dsq-num-posts">160</span> Comments\
	 &nbsp;\
	 <span class="dsq-item-feed">\
	 <a href="http://jackandjillpolitics.disqus.com/the_obamas_leave_trinity/latest.rss"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/bullet-feed.png"></a>\
	 </span>\
	 </h3>\
	 <div id="dsq-options" style="margin:15px 0">\
	 <span class="dsq-item-sort">\
	 Sort by\
	 <select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);">\
	 <option value="hot" selected="selected">Popular now</option>\
	 <option value="best" >Best Rating</option>\
	 <option value="newest" >Newest first</option>\
	 <option value="oldest" >Oldest first</option>\
	 </select>\
	 &nbsp;\
	 </span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-cp"><a href="http://jackandjillpolitics.disqus.com/the_obamas_leave_trinity/">Community Page</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-subscribe">\
	 <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle">\
	 <span id="dsq-subscribe">\
	 <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a>\
	 </span>\
	 </span>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-alerts">\
	 <p><a href="http://disqus.com/profile/login/?next=article:1511150" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false">You must log into your Disqus Profile in order to post comments.</a></p>\
	 </div>\
		';

		

		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) { 
			html = ' \
			<div class="dsq-alert-message dsq-upgrade-message"> \
				<strong>Disqus upgrade available.</strong> Hi ' + Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username + ', this message is being displayed to you because you are a moderator of this site. <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-upgrade-message\').style.display=\'block\';this.style.display=\'none\';return false">Click here for details.</a> \
				<div style="display:none; margin-top:10px;" id="dsq-upgrade-message"> \
					A new theme is available with added features. <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/settings/' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url + '/?p=customize">To change your theme, click here</a> and choose the theme Narcissus. \
					If you do not upgrade, you are missing out on features such as: real-time commenting, new sign-in integrations, and an upgrade interface. \
					<strong>This message will automatically go away in one week.</strong> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			' + html; 
		}
		return html;
	};

	this.footer = function() {
		var html = Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.authPost();
		

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.trackbacks();
		

		return html;
	};

	this.pagination = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) { Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = ''; }
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.thread.paginate) { return ''; }

		//
		// TODO: num_paginator still uses the template tag for pagination, 
		// 		while append_paginator does it all in JavaScript.
		//		This should all be in JavaScript.
		//

		if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages > 1 && Dsq.jsonData.request.page < Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages) {
			html = ' \<a class="dsq-paginate-append-text" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this); return false">Show more comments...</a>\
	 <button class="dsq-button-small dsq-paginate-append-button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this);">Load more comments</button>\
			';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = html;
			return '';
		} else {
			return '<div id="dsq-pagination" class="dsq-pagination">' + html + '</div>';
		}
	};

	this.trackbacks = function() {
		var html = '';

		if(typeof DsqLocal != 'undefined' && DsqLocal.trackback_url && DsqLocal.trackbacks) {
			var trackbacks = DsqLocal.trackbacks;
			var trackback_url = DsqLocal.trackback_url;
		} else {
			var trackbacks = [
			
			
			];
			var trackback_url = 'http://jackandjillpolitics.disqus.com/the_obamas_leave_trinity/trackback/';
		}

		html += '<div class="dsq-item-trackback">Trackback URL&nbsp;&nbsp;<input class="dsq-trackback-url" onclick="this.select()" readonly="true" value="' + trackback_url + '"></div>';

		if(trackbacks.length) {
			html += '<ul id="dsq-references">'
			for(var i = 0; i < trackbacks.length; i++) {
				var trackback = trackbacks[i];
				html += '<li><cite><a href="' + trackback.author_url + '" rel="nofollow">' + trackback.author_name + '</a></cite> \
						<p class="dsq-meta">' + trackback.date + '</p> \
						<p class="dsq-content">' + trackback.excerpt + '</p></li>';
			}
			html += '</ul>';
			html = '<h3 class="dsq-h3-trackbacks">Trackbacks</h3>' + html;
		}

		return html;
	}

	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		/* Reaction HTML begins */
		var item = '<li class="dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-header-avatar">';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'">';
		} else {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="#" onclick="return false;">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {
			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar32.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png"/>'
			+ '</a></div>'
			+ '<cite><span>' + reaction.author_name + '</span></cite>'
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"><a class="dsq-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</a></span>'
			+ '</div><div class="dsq-reaction-body">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-footer">From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
			+ 'via ' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? '<a href="http://backtype.com/">BackType</a>' : '<a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">UberVU</a>')
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator ? '&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;<a class="dsq-hide-reaction" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + '); return false;">Hide</a>' : '') + '</div></div>';

		if(reaction.retweets) {
			var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
			if (num_retweets > 0) {
				item += '<div class="dsq-reaction-retweets">';
				if (num_retweets == 1) {
					item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
				} else {
					item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');

					item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
					var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 15) ? 15 : num_retweets;
					item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);

					if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
						item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
							+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
					}
				}
				item += '</div>';
			}
		}

		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this.missingPermissions = function() {
		return '	<p><a href="http://disqus.com/profile/login/?next=article:1511150" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false">You must log into your Disqus Profile in order to post comments.</a></p> \n';
	};

	//
	// Post
	//

	this.prependPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="comment-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-comment-reply-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-header-avatar" id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
				<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
				? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '</a>'
			+ '</div> \
		';
	};

	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];

		return ''
			+ (_meta.author_is_moderator
				? '<img class="dsq-mod-star" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/bullet-star.png" title="Moderator" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"> \
				<a id="dsq-time-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-time" href="#comment-' + post_id + '" title="Permalink">' + _meta.date + '</a> \
			</span>';
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		return '';
	}

	this.postBody = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Deprecate flagging conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		return ''
			+ (_meta.edited
				? '<p class="dsq-editedtxt">(Edited by a moderator)</p>'
				: '')
			;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Use media should be conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed) { return ''; }

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
				<div id="dsq-points-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-likedtxt">'
				+ (_meta.points
					? _meta.points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(_meta.points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.'
					: '')
				+ '</div>'
				+ '<ul class="dsq-comment-options dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.votable
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first dsq-rate" id="dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id + '">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Like</a>'
						: 'You liked this.') + '</li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-report' + (!_meta.votable ? ' dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '"><a href="#" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">Report</a></li> \
				</ul> \
				<ul class="dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first"><a href="#" id="dsq-reply-link-' + post_id +'" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(this, ' + post_id +'); return false;">Reply</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<li id="dsq-edit-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-edit-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="' + (!_meta.can_reply ? 'dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-more-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-more-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'more\'); return false">More <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media
					? '<li id="dsq-media-el-' + post_id +'" style="display:none"><a id="dsq-media-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'media\'); return false">Use Media <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '</ul>'
				+ '<div id="dsq-reply-bar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar" style="display:none"> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-items-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-items"> \
						</div> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-auth-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-auth"> \
							 \
								 \
									<a href="#" class="dsq-help dsq-reply-req-opt" title="You must log into an account in order to comment on Jack and Jill Politics" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Required:</a> \
								 \
								<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/dsq-favicon-16x16.png" alt="" /> \
								<a id="dsq-reply-login-' + post_id + '" href="http://disqus.com/profile/login/?next=article:1511150" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false">Login</a> \
								 \
									&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img class="fb_login_image" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/images/fbconnect/login-buttons/connect_light_small_short.gif" alt="Facebook Connect"/> \
									<a href="#" onclick="FB.Connect.requireSession(DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin); return false;">Connect</a> \
								 \
								&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/twitter-signin-icon.png" alt="" /> \
									<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect(); return false">Sign-in</a> \
								 \
								 \
							 \
						</div> \
					</div> \
					<div id="dsq-reply-' + post_id + '"></div> \
			</div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Iframes
	//

	this._makeAttributes = function(attributes) {
		// Makes a tag attributes string out of an object.
		// Caller is responsible for making sure nothing needs to be escaped.
		var result = [];
		for (key in attributes) {
			result.push(' ' + key + '="' + attributes[key] + '"');
		}
		result = result.join('');
		return result;
	};

	this._frameGeneric = function(base_url, params, attributes) {
		if(typeof(disqus_callback_params) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_callback_params = '';
		}

		var default_params = {
			// TODO: These should be moved to Dsq.jsonData.
			'f'				: 'jackandjillpolitics',
			't'				: 'the_obamas_leave_trinity',
			// Do we need encodeURIComponent here?
			'ifrs'			: encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css),
			'to_redirect'	: encodeURIComponent(window.location),
			'cbp'			: disqus_callback_params,
			'ff'			: Dsq.Thread.ff,
			'fc'			: Dsq.Thread.fc,
			'ac'			: Dsq.Thread.ac,
			'default_text'	: disqus_default_text
		};

		base_url += '?' + (new Date()).getTime();
		// Add params to default_params.
		if(params) {
			for(var key in params) {
				if(params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					default_params[key] = encodeURIComponent(params[key]);
				}
			}
		}
		// Build querystring.
		for(var key in default_params) {
			if(default_params[key] && default_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				base_url += '&' + key + '=' + default_params[key];
			}
		}

		return [
			'<iframe marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" hspace="0" vspace="0" frameborder="0"',
			(' allowtransparency="true" src="' + base_url + '"'),
			this._makeAttributes(attributes),
			'</iframe>'].join('');
	};

	this.frameLogin = function(opt_attributes) {
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/login.html';
		var attributes = opt_attributes || {};
		attributes['class'] = 'dsq-post-login';

		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameReply = function(post_id, extra_params, attributes) {
		// Returns the HTML for a reply iframe. Called by Dsq.Iframes.setReplyIframeToContainer
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY;
		var params = {
			'def_email'		: disqus_def_email,
			'def_name'		: disqus_def_name
		};
		if(extra_params) {
			for(var key in extra_params) {
				if(extra_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					params[key] = extra_params[key];
				}
			}
		}
		if(_meta) {
			params['parent_post'] = post_id;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			params['per_page'] = disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			attributes['class'] += '-authenticated';
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameEdit = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/edit.html';
		var params = {
			'p' : post_id
		};
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, {'class': 'dsq-post-edit', 'name': 'dsq-edit_' + post_id + '-frame'});
	};

	//
	// Menus
	//

	this.menuMore = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: "Remove post" button should hide menu.
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')">Link</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Profile</a></li>'
	+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
		? '	<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>' + (_meta.email ? '<li class="dsq-admin-email">' + _meta.email + '</li>' : '')
		+ '	<li class="dsq-admin-ip">' + _meta.ip + '</li> \
			<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>'
		+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
			? ' <li class="dsq-admin-edit"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
			: '')
		+ ' <li class="dsq-remove"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Remove Comment</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-report-spam"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-block-user"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li>'
		: '');
	};

	this.menuMedia = function(post_id) {
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(this, ' + post_id + ', \'seesmic\'); return false;">Record video</a></li> \
		';
	};

	this.dropProfile = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};


		var menu = '<li class="dsq-drop-showlnk"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Expand &#8663;</a></li>';
		var pointsMessage = '';
		if (userData['registered']) {
			pointsMessage = 'with ' + userData['points'] + ' points (more points are better).';
		}

		if (userData['is_remote']) {
			var domain = userData['remote_domain_name'];
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' is a ' + domain + ' user ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
			menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-' + domain.toLowerCase() + '">' + domain + '</span></li>';
		} else if (userData['registered']) {
			if (userData['verified']) {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a verified commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span></li>';
			} else {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a registered, but unverified, commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span></li>';
			}
		} else {
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has not claimed this commenter profile." onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()"><span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span></li>';
		}

		menu += _includeServices();
		return menu;
	};

	//
	// Popups
	//

	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-top"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-body" class="clearfix"> \
				<div class="dsq-popup-body-padding"> \
					<div class="dsq-popup-header"> \
						<a class="dsq-close-link" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false"><img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/modal-close.png" alt="" /></a>'
						+ content['header']
					+ '</div>'
					+ content['body']
					+ '<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
				</div> <!-- padding --> \
			</div> <!-- body --> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-bottom"></div> \
		</div> \
		';
	};

	this.popupProfile = function(user_key) {
		var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(user_key, null);
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var html = '';
			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == 0
					? '<h4>Connections</h4><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li> \
					<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" title="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" /> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>'
				+ (i+1 == userServices.length ? '</ul>' : '');
			}
			return html;
		};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<table> \
				<tr> \
					<td> \
						<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><img class="dsq-popup-profile-avatar" src="' + userData['avatar'] + '" alt="" /></a> \
					</td> \
					<td> \
						<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user"> \
							<h3>' + userData['display_name'] + '</h3> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats" id="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + user_key + '">Loading...</div> \
						</div> \
					</td> \
				</tr> \
			</table> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-state"> \
				This is a&nbsp;<span class="'
					+ (userData['registered']
						? (userData['verified']
							? ' dsq-badge-verified'
							: (userData['is_remote']
								? ' dsq-badge-' + userData['remote_domain_name'].toLowerCase()
								: ' dsq-badge-registered')
							)
							: ' dsq-badge-guest') + '">'
			+ (userData['registered']
				? (userData['verified']
					? 'Verified'
					: (userData['is_remote']
						 ? userData['remote_domain_name']
						 : 'Registered')
					)
				: 'Guest')
			+ '</span>&nbsp;commenter profile.'
			+ '&nbsp;<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><strong>View more comments </strong></a>'
			+ (!userData['points']
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice">If this is you, <a href="http://disqus.com/profile" target="_blank">claim it now</a> to manage your comments.</p>'
				: '')
			+ ((userData['registered'] && !userData['verified'] && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username == userData['username'])) && !userData['is_remote'])
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice"><strong>Alert</strong>: You have not verified this account. <a href="http://disqus.com/verify">Verify it now.</a></p>'
				: '')
			+ '</div> \
			<div id="dsq-profile-status-' + user_key + '" class="dsq-popup-profile-status" style="display:none"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-snapshot"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td> \
							<div id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Most active sites</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
						<td>'
							+ _includeServices()
							+ '<div id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Moderator of</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupReblog = function() {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<cite><span>Reblog this comment</span></cite> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div id="dsq-reblog-form" class="dsq-reblog-form"> \
			</div> \
		';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupModal = function(title, message) {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<h3>' + title + '</h3> \
		';

		bodyHtml = message;

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.alertContent = function(name, post_id) {
		var alert = {
			'post_not_approved': {
				'title': 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator',
				'message': 'Thanks for posting. Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.'
			},
			'post_has_profile': {
				'title': 'Use your existing commenter profile',
				'message': 'You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> commenter profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a>'
			}
		};
		return alert[name] || false;
	};

	//
	// Actions
	//

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {
		// Update number of points
		Dsq.$('dsq-points-' + post_id).innerHTML = points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.';

		// Update link text
		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.';
		}
	};

	this.subscribed = function(status) {
		var title, message;

		if(status) {
			title = 'Subscribed!';
			message = 'You have subscribed to this comment thread. New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox, where you may read and respond by email.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">Unsubscribe</a> \
			';
		} else {
			title = 'Unsubscribed';
			message = 'You have unsubscribed to this comment thread. New comments will no longer be sent to your email inbox.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a> \
			';
		}

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);

	};
	
	this.highlighted = function() {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('This comment has been highlighted.', 'Highlighted comment');
	};

	//
	// Media
	//

	this.mediaSeesmic = function(id, thumb) {
		return ' \
			<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_preview" class="dsq-seesmic-preview"><a href="http://www.seesmic.com/video/' + id + '" target="_blank" class="see_link">&nbsp;</a> \
				<div style="display:block;width:160px; height:120px; border:none; background-image:url(http://t.seesmic.com/thumbnail/' + thumb + ')"> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_hide" class="seePlayOverlay" style="display:none;"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',false)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/stopOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_show" class="seePlayOverlay"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',true)" src="http://media.disqus.com/images/seesmic/playOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; border:none; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			<div id="' + id + '_content" style="display:block; width:100%; padding-top:5px"></div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Callbacks
	//

	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(parent_post_id) {
		// Increment post count
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');
		
		if (num_posts) { 
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) { 
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
	};
};
// Dsq.Templates


/**
 * Dsq.Post
 */
Dsq.Post = new function() {
	this.openedMenu = {};
	this.menuEventListener = null;
	this.stateReplyToggled = {};
	this.stateEditToggled = {};
	this.stateRecordLink = {};

	/**
	 * Inserts a new post into the document.
	 *
	 * @param after_id {Number}	Insert a post before specified id.  If after_id
	 *							evaluates to false, then post in the front.  If
	 *							after_id is -1, post at the end.
	 */
	this.insert = function(after_id, id, message, author) {
		// Skeleton template from thread_posts.html.
		var skeleton = ' \
			<li id="dsq-comment-%(id)s"> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-header-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-header"> \
					<cite id="dsq-cite-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-cite"> \
						<a id="dsq-author-user-%(id)s" href="%(author_url)s" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">%(author_name)s</a> \
					</cite> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-body-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-body"> \
					<div id="dsq-comment-message-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-message">%(message)s</div> \
				</div> \
			</li> \
		';
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var _user_meta = Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key];
		var markup = Dsq.Utils.interpolate(skeleton, {
			id: id,
			message: message,
			author_url: _user_meta.blog,
			author_name: _user_meta.display_name
		});
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		markup = markup.replace(Dsq.COMMENTS_RE, Dsq.CommentsHandler);
		div.innerHTML = markup;

		if (after_id === -1) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').appendChild(div);
		} else if (!after_id) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').insertBefore(div, Dsq.$('dsq-comments').firstChild);
		} else if (Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + after_id)) {
			// Get next node after "after_id", so we can insert before it.
			// If "after_id" is the last comment, the target node is the
			// last node.
			
			// var append_post_id = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(after_id).replace('<div id="','').replace('"></div>', '');
			var append_post_id = 'dsq-append-post-' + after_id;
			var node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			while (node = node.nextSibling) {
				if (!node || node.nodeType == 1) { // 1 == Node.ELEMENT_NODE
					break;
				}
			}
			if (!node) {
				node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			}
			node.parentNode.insertBefore(div, node);
		}
	};

	this.incrementPostCount = function() {
		
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');

		if (num_posts) {
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) {
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
	}
	
	this.outlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className += ' dsq-comment-outline';
		setTimeout("(function () { Dsq.Post.clearOutlineComment(" + post_id + ") })()", 3000);
	};
	
	this.clearOutlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className.replace('dsq-comment-outline', '');
	};

	this.showMenu = function(el, id, name) {
		var anchorPos = Dsq.Utils.findPos(el);
		var menu = document.createElement('ul');

		if(this.openedMenu) {
			if(this.openedMenu.linkClicked) {
				this.openedMenu.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		switch(name) {
			case 'more':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMore(id);
				break;
			case 'media':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMedia(id);
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}

		// Add menu to document body
		menu.id = 'dsq-menu-' + id;
		menu.className = 'dsq-menu';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(menu);

		// Position and show
		anchorPos[1] += 15;
		menu.style.left = anchorPos[0] + 'px';
		menu.style.top = anchorPos[1] + 'px';
		menu.style.display = 'block';

		// Set global reference
		this.openedMenu = {
			'el' : menu,
			'id' : id,
			'name' : name,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};

		// Set listener
		this.menuEventListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._hideMenu);
	};

	this._hideMenu = function(e) {
		var el = e.target || e.srcElement;
		var openedMenu = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el;
		var id = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.id;

		if(!id) {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link';
		} else {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link-' + id;
		}

		if(!openedMenu) {
			return;
		}

		if(!Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, openedMenu.id)) {
			openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Post.menuEventListener);
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(openedMenu);

		} else {
			// Hide the menu if a link was clicked inside the menu.  We can't
			// completely remove the menu until the onclick event on the link
			// fires, but the menuEventListener will prevent multiple menus
			// from polluting the DOM.
			if(el && typeof el.href != 'undefined') {
				openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el = null;
			}
		}

		if(Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Post.openedMenu.linkClicked = true;
		}
	};


	this.getUserServices = function(user_key, id) {
		if(!user_key && id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
			user_key = _meta.user_key;
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var userServices = [];

		// Keep a full list of supported services. This is the order they will display in the drop-profile.
		// Each service must have a corresponding case in _buildServiceUrl()
		var supportedServices = ['blog', 'twitter', 'facebook', 'tumblr'];

		function _buildServiceUrl(serviceName) {
			var data = userData[serviceName];
			var services = {
				blog:		function(d) { return d; },
				twitter:	function(d) { return d; },
				facebook:	function(d) { return d; },
				tumblr:		function(d) { return 'http://' + d + '.tumblr.com'; }
			};
			return services[serviceName](data);
		}

		for(var i = 0; i < supportedServices.length; i++) {
			if(userData[supportedServices[i]]) {
				var serviceUrl = _buildServiceUrl(supportedServices[i]);
				userServices.push({'name' : supportedServices[i], 'url' : serviceUrl});
			}
		}
		return userServices;
	}

	this.dropProfile = function(id) {
		var dp = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-profile-' + id);

		// IE6 needs JS to display/hide. All other browsers use CSS.
		if(dp) {
			if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) dp.style.display = (dp.style.display == 'inline') ? 'none' : 'inline';
			return false;
		} else {
			dp = document.createElement('ul');
		}

		dp.id = 'dsq-drop-profile-' + id;
		dp.className = 'dsq-drop-profile';

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) { dp.style.display = 'inline'; }

		var container = Dsq.$('dsq-header-avatar-' + id);
		dp.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.dropProfile(id);
		container.appendChild(dp);
	};

	this.dropProfileMore = function(el, id) {
		var hiddenItems = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-hidden-' + id);

		hiddenItems.style.display = 'inline';
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
	};

	this._updateReplyLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "reply / cancel" links based on state.
		var displayDict = {};

		if(id) {
			if(this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				el.innerHTML = 'Cancel';
				displayDict['media'] = 'inline';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'none';
			} else {
				el.innerHTML = 'Reply';
				displayDict['media'] = 'none';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'inline';
			}
		}

		for(var key in displayDict) {
			if(displayDict.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var	linkEl = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-el-' + id),
					spacer = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-spacer-' + id);

				if(linkEl) {
					linkEl.style.display = displayDict[key];
					if(spacer) spacer.style.display = displayDict[key];
				}
			}
		}
	};

	this._updateMediaLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "use media / cancel" links based on state.
		var appendId = (id) ? ('-' + id) : '';
		var link = Dsq.$('dsq-media-link' + appendId);

		if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			link.innerHTML = 'Cancel Media';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(link, id); return false; };
		} else {
			link.innerHTML = 'Use Media <small>&#9660;</small>';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.showMenu(link, id, 'media'); return false; };
		}
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(el, id) {
		// Create reply IFrame
		if (window.disqus_use_postmessage) {
			if (!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				// Create IFrame if it doesn't exist.
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-frame-' + id), id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].init();
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].setState(id, _meta.depth);
				}
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
			}
		} else {
			// DEPRECATED
			if(!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				// Reply toolbar
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id), id);
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Iframes.hideAllInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id));
				if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
					// HACK: Cancel media before canceling self.
					this.toggleMediaReply(Dsq.$('dsq-media-link-' + id), id);
				}
			}
		}

		this.stateReplyToggled[id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[id];
		this._updateReplyLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-reply-' + id); }

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[id]
		});
	};

	this.toggleMediaReply = function(el, id, xtype) {
		id = id || 0;
		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(!this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id, {xtype:xtype}, 'dsq-post-video');
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id);
		}
		this.stateRecordLink[id] = !this.stateRecordLink[id];
		this._updateMediaLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};

	this.edit = function(el, id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.frameEdit(id);
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-comment-message-' + id); }
	};

    this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
                Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
            }

            Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/vote.js'
                + '?post_id='    + id
                + '&vote='        + vote);

		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login(Dsq.Strings.TO_RATE_PLEASE_LOG_IN);
		}
    };

	this.report = function(id, confirmed) {
		if(confirmed) {
			Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/the_obamas_leave_trinity/post_report/', {'post_id': id});
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('Thank you. This comment has been flagged for moderator attention.', 'Successfully flagged');
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$('dsq-post-report-' + id));
		} else {
			var title = Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT;
			var message = Dsq.Strings.ARE_YOU_SURE_YOU_WOULD_LIKE_TO_REPORT_THIS_COMMENT_TO_A_MODERATOR + '? \
			<br /><br /> \
			<button onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.NO + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.NEVER_MIND + '</button>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<button onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + id + ', true);"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.YES + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT + '</button><br /><br />'
			+ Dsq.Strings.THIS_WILL_FLAG_COMMENTS_FOR_MODERATORS_TO_TAKE_ACTION + '. \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, id);
		}
	};



	this.showAlert = function(id, msg) {
		var msgEl = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id);
		var alert = '<div class="dsq-comment-alert">' + msg + '</div>';

		msgEl.innerHTML = alert + msgEl.innerHTML;
	};

};
// Dsq.Post


/**
 * Dsq.Thread
 */
Dsq.Thread = new function() {
	this.fc = null;
	this.ff = null;
	this.ac = null;

	
	this.adminIsOn = false;

	
	
	

	this.hlComment = null;
	this.hlCommentClass = null;

	this.getNextComment = function(el) {
		var start_id = el.id;
		while(el = el.nextSibling) {
			if(el.id && el.id.indexOf('dsq-comment-') != -1 && el.id != start_id) {
				return el;
			}
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.getActiveCommentId = function() {
		if (document.URL.indexOf('#comment-') >= 0) {
			var anchor = document.URL.slice(document.URL.indexOf('#') + 1);
			return anchor.replace('comment-', '');
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.highlightAnchor = function() {
		var i = this.getActiveCommentId();
		if (i == null) return false;
		var id = 'dsq-comment-' + i;
		var hash = window.location.hash;

		// Toggle the hash incase the comment isn't available when the page loads
		// for WebKit-based browsers.
		if (Dsq.Utils.webkit) {
			window.location.hash = '';
			window.location.hash = hash;
		}

		this.hlComment = Dsq.$(id);
		// Adding this conditional guard pending #289
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlCommentClass = this.hlComment.className;
		this.hlComment.className += ' dsq-hl-anchor';

		setTimeout("Dsq.Thread.highlightClear()", 3000);
	};

	this.highlightClear = function() {
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlComment.className = this.hlCommentClass;
	};

	this.login = function(toggle) {
		// toggle id is #dsq-reply-login-[id]
		var postId;
		if(toggle.id.indexOf('dsq-reply-login') != -1) {
			postId = toggle.id.slice(16);
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + postId);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(toggle) {
			if(toggle.className == 'dsq-login-active') {
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(container, postId);
				toggle.className = '';
			} else {
				Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
				toggle.className = 'dsq-login-active';
			}
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
		}

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};


	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked, per_page) {
		// Use extra_params to pass any override parameters that we need to persist.
		var extra_params = '';

		// "Per page" can either be overriden by providing it as an argument
		// (per-call) or setting the disqus_per_page override variable (global).
		if(typeof per_page == 'undefined') {
			per_page = null;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined' && per_page === null) {
			per_page = disqus_per_page;
		}

		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}
		if(per_page !== null) {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + per_page;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			el_clicked.style.display = 'none';
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'the_obamas_leave_trinity'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};

	this.sortBy = function(sort) {
		var disqus_script = document.createElement('script');
		var disqus_date = new Date();

		if (location.hash != '') {
			location.hash = '#disqus_thread';
		}

		if(typeof(disqus_url) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_url = disqus_href;
		}
		disqus_script.type = 'text/javascript';
		disqus_script.src = 'http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'the_obamas_leave_trinity'
			+ '&sort='	+ sort
			+ '&title='
			+ '&'		+ disqus_date.getTime();

		Dsq.$('dsq-comments').innerHTML = '<img src="http://media.disqus.com/images/loading.gif">';
		Dsq.container.appendChild(disqus_script);
	};

	this.subscribe = function(status, email) {
		// `status` is an int -- 1 to subscribe, 0 to unsubscribe
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || email) {
			// If authenticated user OR anonymous email provided

			if(email) {
				Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
			}

			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/subscribe.js'
				+'?status=' 	+ status
				+ '&slug='		+ 'the_obamas_leave_trinity'
				+ '&email=' 	+ encodeURIComponent(email));

		} else if(!email) {
			// If anonymous user and no email has been provided yet, prompt for email

			var title = 'Subscribe to this comment thread';
			var message = ' \
				New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox! \
				<div class="dsq-subscribe-submit"> \
					<p><strong>Enter your email address below.</strong></p> \
					<input type="text" id="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
					<button onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1, Dsq.$(\'dsq-subscribe-email\').value)">Subscribe</button> \
				</div> \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
		}
	};

	this.showSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return;
		}

		/* The form has to be re-designed when more options will come out. */
		var html = 'Automatically close comments after <input size="3" id="dsq-thread-days-alive" value="' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.days_alive + '" type="text" /> days. Existing comments will still be displayed.<br /><br />(Using 0 days will disable this feature)<br /><br />'
								 + '<button onclick="Dsq.Thread.updateDaysAlive();" class="dsq-button-small"><span>Save</span></button>'
								 + '<span id="dsq-thread-settings-status" class="dsq-options-status"></span>';
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Settings');
	};

	this.updateDaysAlive = function() {
		var days = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-days-alive').value;
		var status = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-settings-status');
		Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/jackandjillpolitics/update_days_alive.js', {days:days,thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
		status.innerHTML = 'Saved!';
		window.setTimeout(function() { status.innerHTML = ''; }, 1000);
	};
};
// Dsq.Thread

Dsq.Events = function() {
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var handlers = {};
	var getHandlers = function(event) {
		if (handlers[event] === undefined) {
			handlers[event] = [];
		}
		return handlers[event];
	};

	// Public
	// Value keys : postId, node, xtype
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED = 1;
	// Value keys : postId, opened
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED = 2;
	obj.fire = function(event, opt_value) {
		if (!event) {
			throw new Error('Unknown event');
		}
		var value = opt_value || {};
		for (var i=0; i<getHandlers(event).length; i++) {
			getHandlers(event)[i](value);
		}
	};
	obj.addHandler = function(event, callback) {
		getHandlers(event).push(callback);
	};

	return obj;
}();

/**
 * Dsq.Realtime
 */
Dsq.Realtime = new function() {
	var initialized = false;
	var interval = null;
	var last_checked = Dsq.jsonData.request.timestamp;
	var new_posts = [];
	var ongoing_request = false;
	var prev_script = null;

	function updateNewPostCount() {
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-alert').style.display = new_posts.length ? 'block' : 'none';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-queued').innerHTML = new_posts.length
		+ ' new '
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, 'comment', 'comments')
		+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, ' was', ' were')
		+ ' just posted.';

		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.SHOW + ')';
	}

	function insertNewPosts() {
		var post_id = null;
		var after_id = Dsq.$('dsq-sort-select').value === 'oldest' ? -1 : null;

		for (var i=0; i<new_posts.length; i++) {
			post_id = new_posts[i];
			Dsq.Post.insert(after_id, post_id, Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id].message);
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		}
		new_posts = [];
	}

	this.enableInterval = function() {
		interval = setInterval(Dsq.Realtime.check, Dsq.jsonData.context.realtime_speed);
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.ENABLED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.PAUSE + ')';
	}

	this.disableInterval = function() {
		if (interval) {
			clearInterval(interval);
			interval = null;
		}
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.PAUSED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.RESUME + ')';
	}

	this.toggleInterval = function() {
		if (!interval) {
			Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
		} else {
			Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
		}
		return false;
	}

	this.initialize = function() {
		if (!initialized) {
			initialized = true;
			Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').onclick = this.toggleInterval;
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-show').onclick = this.show;
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
			if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.realtime_paused) {
				Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
			} else {
				Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
			}
		}
	}

	this.show = function() {
		insertNewPosts();
		updateNewPostCount();
		return false;
	}

	this.check = function() {
		if (!ongoing_request && Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			if (prev_script) {
				prev_script.parentNode.removeChild(prev_script);
			}
			ongoing_request = true;
			prev_script = Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/1511150/realtime.js?timestamp=' + last_checked);
		}
	};

	this.update = function(timestamp, posts, users) {
		ongoing_request = false;
		last_checked = timestamp;

		if (users) {
			for (var user_id in users) {
				if (users.hasOwnProperty(user_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id] = users[user_id];
					}
				}
			}
		}

		if (posts) {
			for (var post_id in posts) {
				if (posts.hasOwnProperty(post_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] = posts[post_id];
						new_posts.push(post_id);
					}
				}
			}

			if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				insertNewPosts();
			} else {
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
		}
	};

}();

// DEPRECATED
Dsq.Iframes = function() {
	// Different style of object from the above. Hoping to switch to this for some reason.
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var showIframeInContainer = function(container, id, markup) {
		// Look through container for iframes, hiding them, except show one that matches id
		// If none of them matched id, create a new iframe using markup and insert it.
		// Returns the iframe node if and only if it was newly created.
		var found = false;
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				if (child.id == id) {
					child.style.display = 'block';
					found = true;
				} else {
					child.style.display = 'none';
				}
			}
		}
		if (found) {
			return;
		}
		// The iframe wasn't found, so construct it and add it to the container.
		// Don't use innerHTML because it might reload iframes
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		div.innerHTML = markup;
		var iframe = div.childNodes[0];
		div.removeChild(iframe);
		container.appendChild(iframe);
		return iframe;
	};

	// Public
	obj.makeReplyIframeId = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var id = 'dsq-post-add-iframe';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			id += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			id += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return id;
	};
	obj.makeLoginIframeId = function(opt_postId) {
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Dsq.container.innerHTML = ' \
<ul id="dsq-comments">\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-1967666">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1967666" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967666" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967666">RhondaCoca</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1967666" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967666" class="dsq-comment-message">Yea of course, we all knew the job of Cointelpro which I am sure is still with us.<br></br><br>The job of the media is to manipulate the stories that are received by the American public and influence the thinking of the American public.</br><br></br><br>The coverage has been unfair and biased and just proves that America will never change.</br><br></br><br>I am really mad at Obama nor at the church, I am mad at the media for their distortion. </br><br></br><br>As I said, Obama should have left from when he knew he was running for president. he would have saved UCC the heartache. He allowed the media to create the narrative which should have never happened!! At that point, he was put on the defense. No other narrative could be told.</br></div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-1967667">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1967667" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967667" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967667">RhondaCoca</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1967667" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967667" class="dsq-comment-message">Correction:<br></br><br></br><br>I meant to say that, I am not really mad at Obama nor the church.</br></div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-1967668">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1967668" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967668" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967668">Dermar 2.0</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1967668" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967668" class="dsq-comment-message">First I would like to state that CNN is disgusting. They are so proud of their BREAKING NEWS STORZY that Barack is choosing to leave his church. I understand that EVERYTHING a person running for public office does is NEWS but dang CNN yall acting as if you found out the man has admitted to stealing the race!<br></br><br>Its his personal choice to leave the church. And this last scandal by the white pastor? I dont get it. Did Barack ever seek this guys endorsement?</br><br></br><br>PS: Barack is only 60 delegates away!!!!!!!</br></div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-1967669">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1967669" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967669" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967669">Non Delusional</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1967669" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967669" class="dsq-comment-message">Please lets not sugar coat this. Obama threw Negroes under the bus AGAIN. One question, "What good is a Black President if he will throw his race to the wayside to secure his position? The Black Agenda Report\'s critique of Barack Obama is sounding more and more valid. That\'s all I have to say. And yes, I\'m still voting for this dude. Because I know what a McCain presidency means. But I ain\'t no Di#%ck Rider like the rest of the folk at Jack and Jill politics.<br></br><br>http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task;=view&id;=636&Itemid;=1</br></div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-1967670">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1967670" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967670" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967670">Nquest</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1967670" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967670" class="dsq-comment-message">F-ck the APOLOGETICS:<br></br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yonww0ayhis" rel="nofollow"><b>Divine Love Does Not Ask Family To Choose Between Family Members</b></a></br><br></br><br></br><br>And a FAMILY MEMBER who makes that choice...</br><br></br><br></br><br>What\'s the word, again?   </br><br></br><br><b>&gt;&gt;&gt;  UNACCEPTABLE !!!  &lt;&lt;&lt;</b></br><br></br><br>So stop excusing that bs!!!</br></div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-1967671">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1967671" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967671" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967671">dnA</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1967671" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967671" class="dsq-comment-message">non delusional,<br></br><br>If folks cared half as much about results as they did about throwing they fist up, we wouldn\'t even be here.</br></div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-1967672">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1967672" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967672" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967672">Nquest</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1967672" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967672" class="dsq-comment-message">No, we wouldn\'t be here if Obama didn\'t have too much NEGRO in him.<br></br><br>White folks say JUMP!  Obama is in the air, "is this high enough?"</br><br></br><br></br><br>UNACCEPTABLE!!!</br><br></br><br></br><br>Stop that Clinton-like blaming OTHER people besides Barack himself.</br></div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-1967673">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1967673" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967673" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967673">Shazza Nakim</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1967673" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967673" class="dsq-comment-message">Oh come on ... LIKE WE REALLY DIDN\'T SEE THIS ONE COMING.<br></br><br>Just knowing Trinity\'s Mission Statement (2) years ago,  Obama would have had to have addressed it or divest from it. I predicted he would leave his CHURCH Hook or by Crook and he pretty much was chased to (Capitol) Hill because of it.</br><br></br><br>I won\'t lie, I watched the Rev. Pfleger and found it funny, almost MAD TV/Livin\' Color funny but I will also be honest and say what Rev. Michael Pfleger preached is what and how BLACK FOLK think and talk behind closed doors everyday about this election so for Black people to be up in arms and pointing fingers at the MEDIA, we all need to OWN UP and Keep It Real. The way Black folk talked, voted, turned on Black politicians, Super Delegates, Tavis Smiley, Julian Bond and many others we need to watch out for all those stones we are dropping in the Glass House.</br></div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-1967674">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1967674" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967674" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967674">SquarePeg</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1967674" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967674" class="dsq-comment-message">Well he finally cried Toby.<br></br><br>Now what will they want him to give up next week?  His black wife and children?  Denounce his black side?  What will it be?  It want stop at this.</br><br></br><br>Giving in to white guilt because a white man told the truth about a white woman.  Damn.</br><br></br><br>Maybe this is that surprise that Hillary was waiting for, not the one that everyone was expecting, but the one where black folks were told by a half-black man to kiss his ass, but vote for me anyway.</br><br></br><br>Obama just cried Toby.</br><br></br><br>Oh by the way, when was the last time anyone saw Obama at a majority Black town hall meeting?  Somebody help me out.</br><br></br><br>Toby, Toby!</br></div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-1967675">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1967675" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967675" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967675">RhondaCoca</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1967675" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967675" class="dsq-comment-message">HaHa in here is packed with all the field negroes!!!<br></br><br>"His black wife and children?"</br><br></br><br>Michelle is next....they have been on her for a while.</br><br></br><br>It is a big fault of the media who distorted the situation and I cannot get over that.</br><br></br><br>Obama should have had forsight and been on this....he knew!</br><br></br><br>Black people are sitting around and allowing a lot to go on. I hope that they dont have to regret it.</br></div>\
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	 <li id="dsq-comment-1967676">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1967676" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967676" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967676">Town</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1967676" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967676" class="dsq-comment-message">Actually, Obama should have left the church when he started running for the US Senate.  I guess he figured because he was running against Alan Keyes that the black church wouldn\'t be an issue.<br></br><br>Two problems I have with Obama are this:</br><br></br><br>1)  He is too REACTIVE instead of PROACTIVE</br><br></br><br>2) He\'s a shape shifter; he becomes whatever the situation calls for</br><br></br><br></br><br>A) Too many times, stuff has broken out and Obama sits back and reacts and lets other people dictate the story.  In my opinion with this Trinity Church situation he shouldn\'t have run to Fox News and said he wasn\'t sitting there when Rev. Wright said those things.  That\'s going to come back to bite him.  One of those church members if not Rev. Wright himself is going to pop up in October and say that Obama is lying and he WAS sitting there.  Even if Obama truly WASN\'T sitting there people have their minds made up and they will believe the church member or Rev. Wright before they believe Obama.</br><br></br><br>B), he should have said he does not agree with everything his pastor says and he stayed in the church because of the wonderful community outreach and positive impact they have on the youth or something like that.  IMO he did throw Rev. Wright under the bus FIRST with the race speech by describing him as a "crazy uncle."</br><br></br><br>C)  With the flag pin issue, he should have said "Hey, we are sending our troops over there with bad equipment, crappy living conditions, no relief for their mental health and when they come back we pretty much dismiss them and don\'t reward them for putting their lives on the line for us.  Treating the troops like crap is not patriotic.  Wearing a flag pin made in China has nothing to do with patriotism.</br><br></br><br>D) With the Michelle "proud" statements, they should have said, Hey with the rising price of gas, the deficit skyrocketing, crumbling infastructure, treating the troops like crap, sending jobs overseas, and letting our own American citizens drown while racing around the world to save everyone else, there hasn\'t been much to be proud of in the past 10 years.</br><br></br><br>But they sit back and react to stuff and let other people tell the story instead of telling their own story.  Then when they tell their own story, it\'s pretty much too late.</br><br></br><br></br><br>And what I mean by the shape shifter comment, he has a tendency to recreate himself to fit whatever the situation is at the time.    And I understand why he does that, but it goes hand in hand with criticism #1.</br><br></br><br></br><br>Having said all that, Trinity Church is now getting some air time and exposure at the expense of Barack Obama, so he needs to cut them loose.  I have often wondered what Michelle\'s original denomination is and wonder if they could check out some churches within that denomination because I really don\'t think the United Church of Christ is right for them.</br></div>\
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	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-1967677">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1967677" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967677" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967677">RhondaCoca</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1967677" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967677" class="dsq-comment-message">Obama is scared of dealing with race. He just is. His blackness is a liability. That is why he stalled with the TUCC thing. It bite him hard. <br></br><br>Obama will be losing respect from many blacks for this move. I am getting calls right now.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1967678" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967678" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967678">Webb</span>\
	 </cite>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967678" class="dsq-comment-message">Hey JJP Family,<br></br><br>I\'ve been missin ya\'ll, but the massa on my plantation(day job) has really kept me in the fields lately...if I can\'t escape to the north (or Cali), i\'ll be looking for a better plantation/massa/mistress in the very near future...</br><br></br><br>I know what it\'s like to leave your church after you\'ve been a member for decades.  I left the church that I was literally born into after 30 years.  </br><br></br><br>It isn\'t easy.  It\'s heart-wrenching and if you\'ve never done it, you can\'t begin to appreciate the uprooting...but once it\'s done, you ultimately realize that YOU HAD TO DO IT.</br><br></br><br>No doubt, UCC helped shape who Barack is...like my church helped shape me, but after a certain point, the Lord requires that we continue to grow/evolve and sometimes that growth requires a drastic CHANGE...We have to LEAVE to grow.</br><br></br><br>The Obamas are on their way to Washington, DC.  Their lives will be changed forever...and so will the lives of millions of Americans.</br><br></br><br>I\'m sure that they will find an empowering church/congregation in the VA/MD suburbs when they are not "officially" worshipping at the National Cathedral.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967679" class="dsq-comment-message">Not sure how I feel about this.  This is slightly different from the Wright situation.  Wright is a man, but he\'s not the church.  This is an entire community that we\'re talking about.<br></br><br>I\'m gonna wait to see his statement.  I\'m cool with him leaving, but I hope he doesn\'t try to use this as his sister souljah moment.  He should just keep it short and simple. . .be respectful, state that they\'ve gone separate ways and call it a day.  </br><br></br><br>Obama holds that church\'s reputation in the palm of his hands.  He should treat this with kid gloves.</br><br></br><br>Obama should have prepared for this waaay before he decided to run.  He brought the national spotlight to that church, not the other way around.  </br><br></br><br>At the same time, TUCC wasn\'t doing much to help out the situation.  But, then again, the church doesn\'t revolve around Obama\'s campaign.</br><br></br><br>The whole situation is really disappointing.  But there\'s a separation of church and state for a reason.  This is an example, and the racial double-standard only highlights the matter.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967680" class="dsq-comment-message"><b>As I said, Obama should have left from when he knew he was running for president. he would have saved UCC the heartache.</b><br></br><br></br><br>And that\'s the very thing Obama APOLOGIST have no regard for.  It\'s rather ironic that dNA posted this because I got a standing challenge in response to his co-blogger\'s question:</br><br></br><br><b>Does Trinity United Church of Christ Want Obama to Win?</b></br><br></br><br>Not only does this ignores what Trinity has been subjected to from more than a year but it assumes that an Obama win actually means something worth shutting up for.</br><br></br><br>And, no, talking about what you HOPE he will do while in office like this "jump Toby" game will stop once he\'s in office... Well, that\'s stuff just isn\'t happening.</br><br></br><br></br><br><a href="http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/q109800.html" rel="nofollow"><b>A man can\'t ride your back unless it\'s bent.</b></a></br><br></br><br></br><br>Negro logic, "these are the rules we play by in America" NOT ACCEPTED and Obama\'s behavior is UNACCEPTABLE!</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967681" class="dsq-comment-message">"Having said all that, Trinity Church is now getting some air time and exposure at the expense of Barack Obama, so he needs to cut them loose."<br></br><br>They are not asking for it. There careers were destroyed due to Obama\'s candidacy. They cannot even have freedom in their own church. Who wants that? Exposure...air time...please. Wright was prominent and respected. Now he is Obama\'s ex-"crazy uncle" pastor. </br><br></br><br>If the media was to get hold of what people on this blog and other black blogs like to say then Obama would have to denounce us too. </br><br></br><br>Another press conference...</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967682" class="dsq-comment-message">The only coverage this is on Fox and Sean Hannity is giving his commentary and I\'ve gotta say he is such an ass.  And Julie "I\'d rather be in Playboy" Banderous is saying that it\'s "all coming apart for Obama now".  Whatever.  Major Garret just checked her though.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967683" class="dsq-comment-message">Nquest-<br></br><br>I was saying that Obama should have left the church to save Trinity, Moss, Wright, Pfleger and the congregants from the character assassinations. I am with the church on this...not Obama. Wright career has been destroyed. The church has a bad name now. </br><br></br><br>I left the "T" of off "UCC". He should have saved them the heartache of having their church destroyed. </br><br></br><br>I know what they had to go through because of Obama\'s campaign. </br><br></br><br>I think you misunderstood my statement.</br><br></br><br>I am agreeing with you.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967684" class="dsq-comment-message">He knew it was going to continually be used as an issue but put it off until the last possible minute. If Black people were more strategic in their voting and demanded better media representation then he would not have had to. One can argue it was \'wrong\' of him to leave but what is the alternative? He appeals to a lot of evangelicals and there was an effort to demonize him - literally. That doesn\'t mean he won\'t go back after he\'s elected.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967685" class="dsq-comment-message">Obama did a press conference on this a few moments ago, it was live on CNN streaming. He addresses many of the concerns raised above in a thoughtful, direct, intelligent way and at NO POINT and by NO MEANS threw the church (or Black people) under any bus.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967686" class="dsq-comment-message">"That doesn\'t mean he won\'t go back after he\'s elected."<br></br><br></br><br>He\'s not invited. He better not walk back in. Not in my church.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967687">Jim Dandy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967687" class="dsq-comment-message">You ain\'t seen nothin\' yet. As soon as Hillary is out of the way, Obama must start appeasing the centrists and the independents, the people who will actually decide the presidential election. <br></br><br>If he wins, soon thereafter he will earn the appellation, the white\'s NITWH-it. Tokenism will reach an all-time high, and if he screws up as president, the blame will be placed not on the Democrats, but squarely on the shoulders of all blacks.</br><br></br><br>Further, if Obama wins, racism will be declared dead and insignificant in this country because he will have proved that even a black can become president.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967688" class="dsq-comment-message">I can\'t believe people are arguing the merits of<br></br><br>Obama staying "black enough"</br><br></br><br>vs.</br><br></br><br>A McCain presidency</br><br></br><br>This is really absurd. From a moral standpoint, what\'s the difference between white folks making Obama jump through these loyalty hoops and us doing it?</br><br></br><br>Is Obama proposing policies that will put more black men in prison? Is he offering a health care plan no one can afford? Is he trying to troops in Iraq for a hundred years? Is he ordering torture, extraordinary rendition, or holding people without due process?</br><br></br><br>No, he left his church because it\'ll be easier for him to get elected that way. </br><br></br><br>People need to get over this black enough shit. Obama is a politician, not the second coming of Malcolm X. You elect politicians to enact responsible policies, not to be the moral vanguard. </br><br></br><br>I agree that he should have left Trinity at the beginning, but I doubt that would have quelled the firestorm, which was probably inevitable. He\'s probably leaving because of Father Pfleger, but the fact is this is better for Trinity in the long run. The way it stands there will still be people in the pews with recording devices until november. </br><br></br><br>The idea that Obama is "scared of dealing with race" though is absurd. You do realize he\'s running for president right?</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967689" class="dsq-comment-message">Non-delusional,<br></br><br>Your name is so appropro to this discussion and on point.</br><br></br><br>Yeah, we are all "disappointed", I\'m not, I am just waiting for the next thing Obama will have to disavow.</br><br></br><br></br><br>Town,</br><br></br><br>You are so correct.  I thought it was just my imagination, but I have often wondered what his handlers are thinking by requiring that he submit himself to people who don\'t have his best interest at heart.  Is it to prove that he is not afraid to address them, but when he gets in front of these people he almost goes into shuffle mode.  When he is confronted with the fact that one focus group is not too keen on him he addresses them with his ideas in an attempt to get them on his side.</br><br></br><br>As I stated, I think he assumes wrongly that he has the Black vote all wrapped up and doesn\'t have to address our concerns, an assumption I think will come back to bite him in his ass.</br><br></br><br>If he has any thinking Black handlers they better speak up quickly and tell him he is showing his ass or he might be end for a rude awakening.  </br><br></br><br>Black folks don\'t like Toms, especially shuffling ones.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967690" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>It\'s part of how race works that white people are seen as individuals, and black people are seen as representing one another as a whole. </i><br></br><br>I heard Eugene Robinson (the Washington Post columnist) say something like this a couple weeks back, and I was intrigued. I instantly knew I was guilty of that kind of thinking -- and even if, for me, it\'s mostly benign in outcome (or so I imagine), it\'s there. In the case of Rev. Wright and Barack Obama (whose candidacy I support), I imagined that Sen. Obama understood Rev. Wright, felt compassion for some of the things he\'d been through, etc. etc. -- IOW, I imagined all kinds of complexity and nuance in their relationship, but I did not question for a second that they were close (or had been close) and were bound together in some way.</br><br></br><br>When Eugene Robinson said what he did, I flashed on John McCain and Pastor Hagee and realized that, even if McCain had been a member of Hagee\'s church, I would have started at a place where, if nothing else, I understood that McCain and Hagee were separate people, and my thinking about what the Hagee endorsement meant would have proceeded from that given. That was not the case with Obama and Wright. I started from a different place.</br><br></br><br>But as for him quitting the church now... doesn\'t it just seem like he could no longer really attend, given all the media attention that would have been focused on his doing so, and that that wouldn\'t be fair either to him and his family or to the church? I don\'t know. That\'s how it seems to me (without having given it a lot of thought). I hope it\'s not a big deal. Doesn\'t seem like it should be.</br><br></br><br>Meanwhile, to end on an up note: Chuck Todd said this afternoon on MSNBC, after the Rules & Bylaws Committee meeting was over: "It\'s Barack Obama\'s party now." It was an amazing thing to hear.</br><br></br><br>And one more thing: There\'s been a lot of talk these days about how the Clintons know how to fight, if it\'d been a Clinton instead of Gore in the Florida 2000 recount situation, they would\'ve won, etc. etc. But you know what else I think we\'ve seen over the last couple months? Barack Obama knows how to fight too. And I think we\'re in for a treat.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967691" class="dsq-comment-message">Rhonda, I wasn\'t disagreeing with you, just building off of your point which was a very fine and important point to make:  that Obama would have saved Trinity and, by extension, himself the heartache.<br></br><br>Now, in this sad saga (sad because both Wright and Obama played their roles), there are hard feelings all the way around and then you have Obama APOLOGISTS who apparently care nothing about the people of Trinity.  Apparently, they were supposed to "shut up" and be nice little sacrifices for the greater good that nobody can guarantee insomuch as what a president Obama would do especially in terms of things important to Black people.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967692" class="dsq-comment-message">They are not asking for it. There careers were destroyed due to Obama\'s candidacy. They cannot even have freedom in their own church. Who wants that? Exposure...air time...please. Wright was prominent and respected. Now he is Obama\'s ex-"crazy uncle" pastor. <br>---------------</br><br></br><br>Trinity Church would have been all too glad to soak up exposure and publicity had the Rev. Wright tapes not been so damaging to themselves.  They would have been all too glad to bill themselves as the church of the next president of the US.</br><br></br><br>But now that the publicity is bad, they say "We didn\'t want the exposure."</br><br></br><br>Of course they didn\'t want the exposure, because it shows them in a bad light.  People are questioning what they are doing and saying in that church.</br><br></br><br>So, knowing that they are being seen in a bad light, why in the world would they tape Father Pfleger mocking Hillary Clinton (even though it was damn funny and true, lol) and release the tape, knowing that it would be picked apart and discussed and denounced?  Why discuss Hillary Clinton?  There ain\'t no book of Hillary in the Bible!</br><br></br><br>See, this right now has nothing to do with Barack Obama.  You don\'t paint a target on your ass then complain when somebody shoots you in the ass.  Nobody was even thinking about Trinity Church for the past couple of weeks, everything had died down and they themselves mucked up the waters again for themselves.</br><br></br><br>Barack Obama\'s problem is he wants to please people and be liked, and that\'s going to be his downfall because you cannot please everyone.  He\'s trying to be liked by white people instead of nipping ish in the bud.  </br><br></br><br>Obama tried to have it both ways but you can\'t have it both ways.  He should have kept it real with himself back in \'04 and quit Trinity Church when he ran for the US Senate or once he decided to run for President.  Running for an office where mostly white people will put you in requires that you make yourself as acceptable and palatable to TEHM as possible.  We know this, Obama knew this, but Obama tried to have it both ways.</br><br></br><br>Being a politician requires that you corrupt yourself to get that power.  We complain about Stephanie Tubbs Jones but is there really any difference between Tubbs Jones and Obama?  Or Obama and Clinton?  Or Obama and McCain?  All of them are lying, corrupting themselves, kissing ass so they can git that power!</br><br></br><br>Now Obama\'s quest for power isn\'t and shouldn\'t be Trinity\'s concern.  BUT  not drawing negative attention to themselves should be their concern, not because of Obama\'s candidacy, but because they need to protect and heal themselves from the onslaught they\'ve been through this year, and mocking Hillary Clinton knowing the media is going to pick it up and discuss it is doing themselves a disservice.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967693" class="dsq-comment-message">DNA<br></br><br>I hear you but we can be critical and disappointed if we like. I am still a supporter. If I was his advisor, it wouldnt have gotten this bad. If he was going to leave, he should have left from last year because he had to have known that it was coming. The church had to go through all of this. His move looks expedient to everyone. </br><br></br><br>Also, people have a right to agree and disagree. I am more mad at the media than anyone else.</br><br></br><br>I know what he has to do but that does not mean that I have to be happy about it. </br><br></br><br>I love how ppl like the bring up Malcolm X. Bring up MLK because he warned blacks aboiut the "negro political leaders". Duh...Obama is a politican. Why was everybody upset when Wright said it? Yet black use it to explain every move he makes in order to get elected.</br><br></br><br>I am support of Barack for everything else. However when it comes to certain things for example this...I do get upset. I also cannot stand the fact that his campaign in reactionary rather than proactive. I have been saying that for a while now.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967694" class="dsq-comment-message">Obama is running for the President of the whole United States not just the black interests of the United States though I think when he is in the position his policies will support the issues of the black community more then any other President before and way more then John McCain.  He will make compromises  and work with many different groups but this should not be a shock because he is running on a theme of change and inclusion.  And his past work in Chicago with underprivileged people in Chicago should not be forgotten.  It was not part of a grand plan to get him to this point and then disown everything he has stood for.  He is not an Uncle Tom.  He is not throwing anyone under the bus, and, specific to this thread, he is not disparaging TUCC who he praised during his press conference right now.<br></br><br></br><br></br><br>I</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967695" class="dsq-comment-message">Town,<br></br><br>I didn\'t even bother to read the rest of the post.</br><br></br><br>There have been so many strangers in that church since the whole thing happened. Half the tapes that were originally played on the networks back in march were from a moblie phone. Which means that someone was in the church taping them. </br><br></br><br>Also Wright had a no-interview policy for a year until they dragged him in. Explain that.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967696" class="dsq-comment-message">Rhonda,<br></br><br>Fair enough, but I defended Wright plenty on this blog. It wasn\'t what he said but that he kept saying it when he knew what the results would be. </br><br></br><br>It\'s really not just the "leaders" we need to be concerned about. We need to be concerned about the very concept of black leadership, both how it\'s pursued and how we view its role in the community.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967697" class="dsq-comment-message">dNA,<br></br><br>I can\'t believe you aren\'t intelligent enough to deal with the issue as a question of Obama\'s blackness.  But then you really don\'t have much to stand on so you might as well take the dummy route and set up a convenient straw-man.</br><br></br><br>Obama is getting and has gotten Black people\'s support.  WE ARE A WHOLE PEOPLE and any politician we support, Black, White or Polkadot must respect us FISTS and all.  But that\'s not the case here.</br><br></br><br>Asking Obama to stand on something and stand with people who have given him the strongest support he\'s gotten isn\'t and can\'t be reduced to nonsense of being "black" enough.  </br><br></br><br>Neither will a false choice of a f-cked up Obama and the specter of McSame help your APOLOGETICS.  It wasn\'t John Kerry\'s whiteness that was called into question when the FLIP FLOP issue was raised.</br><br></br><br>But I understand... labeling criticisms against Obama\'s lack of a position he\'ll stand on as questioning whether he\'s "black enough" must be the best that you can do.</br><br></br><br>And this has nothing to do with McCain.  What happens when he wins?  What?  He becomes McCain himself... blowing in the wind, doing anything to APPEASE enemies of his campaign/administration.</br><br></br><br>Again, the issue that just won\'t move is this assumption that an Obama win, especially one that goes down like this, would be worth "shutting up" for and viewing McCain as the "accept Obama\'s bs" boogeyman.</br><br></br><br></br><br>Surely you can come better than that.</br><br></br><br></br><br>Obama staying "black enough"</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967698">KarmiCommunist</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967698" class="dsq-comment-message">Walking away isn\'t going to clear up or wash away his spending 20-years with a <i>\'Group\'</i> like that.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967699">Melissa</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967699" class="dsq-comment-message">Pamela-<br></br><br>Duh...people please stop with that. Black people have never had their interests represented yet when we ask...we are being selfish. People can speak on a blog if they want!! We dont all have to shut up and be muzzled. Nobody is asking whites to compromise. We are on a blog expressing our frustrations. You will have to not be of this world to not know that Barack is running for President of the U.S. </br><br></br><br>My church\'s reputation is destroyed due to the way in which the media represented it. Whatever Barack has to say does not matter at this point. He is not a member anymore. </br><br></br><br>I have known Barack before anyone in here. I have known him since 1997. He is not the progressive he used to be. He is much different now. While I support him. I am careful and critical as I am with any politican. Why should we not be critical...because he is black? We should just nod.</br><br></br><br>Sorry not here.</br><br></br><br>People are sitting on the internet discussing my church. A church that they have never, ever been to in their lives!!! </br><br></br><br>Obama should have been in front of the story rather than behind it. Please put the blame where it belongs. Don\'t get mad at those who don\'t feel that they should just sit and nod. You are yet to know that black politicans have rarely properly represented their people. Look at the CBC. I have all right to agree and disagree with Barack. He better not turn into Harolf Ford Jr.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967700">Nquest</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967700" class="dsq-comment-message"><b>From a moral standpoint, what\'s the difference between white folks making Obama jump through these loyalty hoops and us doing it?</b><br></br><br>Show the actual equivalence instead of assume it like the unfounded assumption that an Obama win is something worth "shutting up" for.</br><br></br><br>Simply, make your actual argument because I have no idea what "loyalty hoops" you\'re talking about.  Don\'t presume such a FALSE CONSENSUS.  Maybe you jump through loyalty hoops you consider comparable to those Obama is triple jumping through but I have no idea what mine are.</br><br></br><br>Obama could very well have distanced himself without demonizing Rev. Wright, rattling off rhetoric that\'s riddled with contradictions, if not lies, and now doing what he accused Rev. Wright of doing:</br><br></br><br><b>"giving comfort to those who prey on hate."</b></br><br></br><br>But Sean Hannity ain\'t that pleased even though he got just what he wanted out of Obama.  The contradictions are too obvious.  </br><br></br><br>But I guess Town\'s critique about Obama being too REACTIVE vs. PROACTIVE is a question of whether he\'s "black enough."</br><br></br><br>LMBAO!!</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967701">rikyrah</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967701" class="dsq-comment-message">Can\'t say that I\'m happy about this, but after the Father Pfleger incident, I\'m not surprised. Just went through all of this yesterday listening to the radio, and still didn\'t know how I felt about it. I\'m just sad about it, but I\'m not sure when it would have been the \' right\' time to leave the church.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967702">B-Serious</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967702" class="dsq-comment-message">The politics behind this is weird as well.<br></br><br>His public resignation makes this a big deal for the next news cycle.  People were already shifting they\'re attention away from Pfleger towards the RBC meeting.  This was already well on its way to being old news.</br><br></br><br>But now this is going to be a topic of discussion on all of the talk shows tomorrow morning.</br><br></br><br>I guess it helps in the long run.  There is absolutely nothing more that he can do to avoid further issues.</br><br></br><br>The only problem is this. . . his critics won\'t stop asking for more.  Just now, Fox News made sure to stress that he didn\'t specifically denounce the church.</br><br></br><br>He can\'t be all things to all people.  McCain and Hillary could care less what they\'re critics think about them.  But they work hard to motivate their base of support to get them where they need to be.</br><br></br><br>Obama needs to realize this really fast.  He can\'t continue this type of reactionary behavior in the general election.</br><br></br><br>He also needs to find some balance.  I love the fact that he strives to rise above division.  But you gotta fight sometimes.  Sometimes you gotta shove Hillary out of the race.  Sometimes you gotta flip off your critics and say you\'re done trying to explain yourself for things that other people say.</br><br></br><br>Otherwise you get distracted.</br><br></br><br>He should lock up the nomination this week.  After that he should be focusing on two things:  voter registration and GOTV.  Those are the two most important things he\'s got going at this point.  But I agree with those of you who say he needs to stop reacting to everything Hillary, Fox News and McCain throw his way.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967703">D.</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967703" class="dsq-comment-message">When the Wright/Hagee foolishness was squashed, I actually expected Obama to stick with Trinity.<br></br><br>Enter Pflager.</br><br></br><br>I don\'t blame him for leaving, but now it becomes a question of judgement: did he exercise good judgement by leaving, or is it evidence of bad judgement by staying as long as he did?</br><br></br><br>Each side will spin it their own way. </br><br></br><br>I say neither: yeah, it was a political move-but some things just don\'t need questioning. It was a personal move as well, and one that probably came at great difficulty.</br><br></br><br>God help me, but he might get a pass from me on this.</br><br> </br><br>My understanding is the rest of UCC isn\'t like this.</br></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967704" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967704">Nquest</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967704" class="dsq-comment-message"><b>Why was everybody upset when Wright said it?</b><br></br><br></br><br>Because Black folks still get their news and have their views shaped by the White instigating media.</br><br></br><br>Wright\'s "politician" statement was innocuous by any objective reading of it and the statement originated in the Moyer\'s interview everybody claimed was okay.  It was the NPC question that brought it back up, hoping something spin-able would come out of it and Black folk (some of ya\'ll) bought it hook, line and sinker right along with Obama\'s lyin\' azz.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967705">The Christian Progressive Libe</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967705" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>The Black Agenda Report\'s critique of Barack Obama is sounding more and more valid. That\'s all I have to say. And yes, I\'m still voting for this dude.</i><br></br><br>Yes, I am in the same boat with Non Delusional.  Y\'all know how I feel when you put your ambition above God and the leaders that nurtured you.  I am, and always will be ambivalent about Obama and his distancing from his pastor and UCC, because he\'s running for President.</br><br></br><br>While he may have to compromise in some areas, one\'s faith should never been one of those areas.</br><br></br><br>And that\'s where I stand on this issue.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967706">window124</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967706" class="dsq-comment-message">b-serious:<br></br><br>The only reason he had a press conference about this was because he had given a letter to the TUCC congregation that CNN obtained and was about to do a story on.  He had talked it over with Rev. Moss and came to the decision after the lastest dust-up that it would be better for everybody if he just left.  He even admitted that he wasn\'t sure he was even going to bring it up to the press but since they had already seen the letter he felt he had to say something.</br><br></br><br>The whole thing makes me just sad as hell.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967707">Pamela</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967707" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>Duh...people please stop with that. Black people have never had their interests represented yet when we ask...we are being selfish. People can speak on a blog if they want!! We dont all have to shut up and be muzzled. </i><br></br><br>Melissa- </br><br></br><br>Never told anyone not to speak, never tried to muzzle anyone.  I was just expressing my opinion which as you point out in your post I have ever right to do.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967708">Nquest</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967708" class="dsq-comment-message">Quotes for truth:<br></br><br><b>"Wright had a no-interview policy for a year until they dragged him in..."</b></br><br></br><br><b>"...put your ambition above God and the leaders that nurtured you..."</b></br><br></br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yonww0ayhis" rel="nofollow">Divine Love Does Not Ask Family To Choose Between Family Members</a></br></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967709" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967709">Elephants&amp;amp;Flowers</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967709" class="dsq-comment-message">Obama TRIED to stay with the church that had been a central part of his family life.  But...<br></br><br>His continued affiliation with Trinity was detrimental to everyone.</br><br></br><br>And, unless the man has been frontin\' the whole time, the messages sent by Wright and Pfleger did not seem to align with his core beliefs.  Yeah, he might have giggled at bit like the rest of us.  But, he seems to be promoting inclusiveness and moving beyond our typical divisive b*s*.</br><br></br><br>The questions we have to ask ourselves are:</br><br></br><br>Are WE ready to move beyond the divisiveness?</br><br></br><br>What are WE ready to give up in order to do so?</br><br></br><br>Do we REALLY want him to be our next president?</br><br></br><br></br><br>Barack Obama (still a black Christian man) as President in \'08!</br></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967710" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967710">Webb</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967710" class="dsq-comment-message">There is no virtue in remaining with a denomination/faith that no longer represents your "evolved" values.  In fact, it\'s cowardice to stay.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967711">dnA</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967711" class="dsq-comment-message">I never said anyone should shut up, and I\'m as entitled to my opinion as anyone else.  <br></br><br>I said Obama leaving Trinity is not towelhead behavior, and that he shouldn\'t have stayed at the expense of his campaign. I also don\'t see how Obama leaving Trinity = Obama betraying black folks, and I think that kind of symbolic politics is pointless. It would have been one thing if he talked about how their "extremism" was too much for them, but he didn\'t. He didn\'t badmouth the Church when he left, he just left. </br><br></br><br>More importantly, Trinity has a right to worship without Fox news sending in reporters to record sermons every weekend.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967712">Nquest</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967712" class="dsq-comment-message"><b>You look at Pat Robertson and company and you realize white radicalism is utterly mainstream in a way that black radical politics never could be, whether they\'re even close to as extreme.</b><br></br><br>We are a whole people.  Whatever is mainstream to them should never have to be mainstream to us.</br><br></br><br>That\'s the reason to be upset not with this decision, per se, but with the fact that Obama treated the "black radical politics" he should be well acquainted with and even embraced to whatever extent by being a member of Trinity as if it had no place in America even Black America (see his post-NPC press conference).  </br><br></br><br>After all, he was told Trinity was just "radical" before he ever joined.</br></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967713" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967713">dnA</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967713" class="dsq-comment-message">I also love that the only thing anyone has absorbed from BAR is the racialized critiques, the not so subtle jabs at his biraciality, the insistence that despite being the most left leaning candidate to get the nomination in decades, he\'s a house negro, rather than critiques of policy. <br></br><br></br><br>Obama "betrayed the people who nurtured him." Please. Can someone explain to me how he would have honored them by staying?</br></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967714" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967714">Nquest</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967714" class="dsq-comment-message"><b>It would have been one thing if he talked about how their "extremism" was too much for them, but he didn\'t. </b><br></br><br>Oh but <a href="http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/29/transcript-obama-press-conference-on-jeremiah-wright/" rel="nofollow">yes he did</a>.</br></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967715" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967715">Nquest</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967715" class="dsq-comment-message">DNA,<br></br><br>Stop personalizing the "jabs at his bi-racialness" or using that as a straw man.  You have no standing when all you "absorbed" from what was being said here was whether Obama was "black enough."</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967716">isonprize</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967716" class="dsq-comment-message">As soon as this  primary is over with, I predict Donna Brazile is gonna be on the Obama campaign like white on rice.<br></br><br>Obama is trying to win the presidency, ya\'ll.  of THESE (supposedly) United States.</br><br></br><br>He ain\'t Rev. Al, he ain\'t Malcolm X.  And he damn sure ain\'t Martin Luther King.   </br><br></br><br>He\'s a black man, raised by his white momma and grandparents. He joined Michelle\'s church when he married her. </br><br></br><br>If you listened to his press conference, HE DID NOT THROW TRINITY UNDER THE BUS!!!</br><br></br><br>He is going to be in DC anyway in 6 months.  What is the big deal???</br><br></br><br>And to the folks that say he shouldn\'t walk back into Trinity...</br><br></br><br>How Christian is that?</br></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967717" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967717">RhondaCoca</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967717" class="dsq-comment-message">Isonprize-<br></br><br>"He\'s a black man, raised by his white momma and grandparents. He joined Michelle\'s church when he married her. "</br><br></br><br>I love how you come with your half ass facts. Obama met Wright in 1985. He met Michelle in 1988 or 1989.</br><br>Can people stop repeating this nonsense.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967718">Nquest</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967718" class="dsq-comment-message"><b>Can someone explain to me how he would have honored them by staying?</b><br></br><br>I can definitely do that once you own up to how your "we wouldn\'t even be here" rhetoric about placing "results" (what results?) above "throwing fists up" is the functional equivalent to OneDrop\'s "shut up" mandate. </br><br></br><br>I will definitely do that when you tell me "what results" and, yes, what an Obama win (you invoked McCain) is worth without assuming it\'s worth is self-evident.</br><br></br><br></br><br>What the hell...</br><br></br><br>Obama would have honored them by NOT JUMPING every time White folks said jump.  Obama would have honored them if he came out with equal fervor and said HANDS OFF MY CHURCH instead of mumbling "the people there... the ministries... do good things."</br><br></br><br></br><br>He could have honored them by holding a press conference or some speech not to respond to what many wanted to hear him say about Wright but to level of disrespect to Trinity even minus Wright since Wright didn\'t measure up as representative of the Black church.</br><br></br><br>He could have honored them by is a friend of his just like Hillary Clinton and, of course, he can\'t be held accountable for all the stuff she says or does.</br></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967719" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967719">RhondaCoca</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967719" class="dsq-comment-message">And...<br></br><br>"He ain\'t Rev. Al, he ain\'t Malcolm X. And he damn sure ain\'t Martin Luther King."</br><br></br><br>Duh...he\'s a politican. Ooops...I shouldnt have said that. </br><br></br><br></br><br>DNA-</br><br></br><br>I have been reading the BAR for a while. I stopped reading but recently, I have agreed with some of their conclusions. Don\'t take it personal.</br></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967720" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967720">Nquest</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967720" class="dsq-comment-message"><b>If you listened to his press conference, HE DID NOT THROW TRINITY UNDER THE BUS!!!</b><br></br><br>The press conference today is one thing.  What has happen to this point is another.  He has, indeed, allowed for the distorted view of Trinity to exists because THE ENEMIES OF HIS CAMPAIGN called for him to leave his church based on their view of what goes on there.</br><br></br><br>On some news show, somebody asked if another member of Trinity decided to run for president how would they be viewed.</br><br></br><br>Case closed.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967721">Ms.Martin</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967721" class="dsq-comment-message">My question to all of you <br></br><br>If you are at work in a boardroom with all white folks and Pfleger walks in and gives that speech/sermon he gave at Trinity, even though you believe it\'s true and talk about it in like company, tell me you don\'t cringe and shy away in non-response and embarrasment.</br><br></br><br>Obama didn\'t throw them under the bus, he had to cut them loose before another game-changing sermon is made.  Each time they give a sermon about what is wrong in the world and inject Obama\'s name and a reference to the campaig  n it becomes political.  </br><br>These people are in essenced throwing him under the bus.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967722">Nquest</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967722" class="dsq-comment-message"><b>Do we REALLY want him to be our next president?</b><br></br><br></br><br>Do we really want to discuss what\'s supposed to be inherently positive about him being our next president?</br><br></br><br>Apparently not.  We\'re just supposed to assume that it is and a Obama presidency is, somehow, worth whatever even when it guarantees nothing.</br><br></br><br>Do we really want to discuss what expectations and DEMANDS we would place on president Obama?  or is just having his Black fact there enough?</br><br></br><br>Those are the questions worth asking Black people who really place 90% of their primary votes behind him.  If that\'s not an indication that we really want him (and not someone he is not, as far as what supporters have perceived of him) to be president, I don\'t know what is.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967723">Nquest</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967723" class="dsq-comment-message"><b>cringe and shy away in non-response and embarrasment</b><br></br><br>That\'s the problem, Ms. Martin.  Obama didn\'t give a "non-response."</br><br></br><br>And why would Pfleger make that speech in a boardroom.  Pfleger didn\'t make that speech in Barack\'s -- i.e. on his campaign trail.</br><br></br><br>I\'d rather here those comparable anecdotes vs. analogies.  dNA??</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967724">Anonymous</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967724" class="dsq-comment-message">With all due respect, but from where I stand BO leaving Trinity makes him look suspect. I can understand if it was a church that the brother just joined a few months ago, but that isnt the case here. Trinity\'s where this man found faith, was baptized, got married.  Shit, even his daughters were christened and baptized in this church! This is a big freaking deal. And if the brother isnt willing to stand side by side with his community of faith because of politics, then everything about this man must be put into a different perspective.  <br></br><br>What\'s going to happen when he gets criticized for trying to end the war? is he going to throw people like me who are only supporting him because he\'s the only candidate who wasnt for the war? </br><br></br><br>I\'m sorry to say it, but this guy isnt special at all, he\'s just another opportunitic politician. I wont be suprised if he joins a white church...or a TD Jakes type of church. Wont be surprised at all.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967725">Ms.Martin</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967725" class="dsq-comment-message">Nquest<br></br><br>You\'re missing my point.  There\'s a double standard here.  I asked the question because I know the answer.  I know that people agree with a lot of things that have been said, but they aren\'t outraged enough to take it to the mainstream in their reality, yet they expect Obama to take it to his mainstream reality.  Get real.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967726">N. Mahana</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967726" class="dsq-comment-message">You all are insane.<br></br><br>I mean that in the most loving way.</br><br></br><br>*winks*</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967727">Michelle</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967727" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'m standing all the way on the outside on this -- I\'m not Black and not Christian. So I don\'t know if I should say anything at all since there is a lot I don\'t and can\'t understand. But this has my attention pretty hard right now and so I am going to post. <br></br><br>The thing I am seeing is that Trinity UCC seems to have become a two-dimensional symbol of authentic Blackness somehow, maybe not everywhere but at least some views of it. It\'s like it has undergone a translation from its own complex reality into being a symbol in the political alphabet. People are talking about the media, maybe that\'s most/all of what did it. I don\'t know.</br><br></br><br>This translation into two-dimensional symbolism would be weird to me no matter what, probably. But there are specific things about this situation that make it really strange IMO.</br><br></br><br>*Reverend Wright: </br><br></br><br>-On one hand he has become the symbol of hard-edged on-the-edge truth-telling about racism/white supremacy ... or the scary radical bad Black man, depending on where you stand. </br><br></br><br>-On the other hand, he has been linked into the white establishment enough that he had insider access to not one but two white Democratic presidents (he had enough access/clearance to get into LBJ\'s surgery and he was at the White House with the Clintons during the Lewinsky thing). Most people go their whole lives with no close access to even one president. But two, these two in particular (and then connection with Obama who may be the third?) </br><br></br><br>I\'m okay with paradox and complexity, but there is something about this particular one that has felt jarring to me but I can\'t explain why. I mean what\'s the big deal? But it keeps bubbling up as a thought/discomfort. I don\'t really understand what it it means or why.</br><br></br><br>*White radical priest:</br><br></br><br>Why was the final instrument of this split a white man? How did that happen? And how did a white man with radical rhetoric referencing the presidential campaign symbolically get onto the "authentically Black" side of the symbolic conflict, while Senator Obama is on the opposing side of that same symbolism?</br><br></br><br>*Trinity and Black authenticity:</br><br></br><br>My gf pointed out to me that there is an interesting part in <i>Dreams From My Father</i> -- page 285-286 -- about how Trinity membership and participation provided Black professionals an opportunity to connect with more "authentically" Black church members ("claims of greater deprivation and hence authenticity" is the phrase he uses) and this connection was an exchange in both directions. From this perspective one function of Trinity was to ...not manufacture Black authenticity, but at least to broker (?) it somehow. </br><br></br><br>-------------------------------------------</br><br></br><br>I don\'t entirely understand what it is I may be seeing or feel here. I do think the crux of what is nagging at me is about Trinity being translated into a two-dimensional symbol in a way that isn\'t entirely grounded or real. These other pieces feel possibly related to me but I have no idea if that\'s true, and if so how.</br><br></br><br>And again, since I am an entire outsider on this, I may not be seeing anything useful at all.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967728">RhondaCoca</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967728" class="dsq-comment-message">Ms.Martin-<br></br><br>"If you are at work in a boardroom with all white folks and Pfleger walks in and gives that speech/sermon he gave at Trinity, even though you believe it\'s true and talk about it in like company, tell me you don\'t cringe and shy away in non-response and embarrasment."</br><br></br><br>I talk like Pfleger everyday. I could care less about "white folks". I figure that you do not know me well?</br><br></br><br>I am the only black person at my job. They know that about me. They think that I am joking. They dont know that I am serious. If I was a black man then they may run but I\'m a short black girl. </br><br></br><br>I know why Obama did what he did. I am not really mad at him as much as I am at the media who keeps trying to make a story out of nothing. However Obama knew that this would become an issue. I dont think that he did a good job at initially handling it. People have been smearing his church, writing articles and trying to dig up stuff for a year. He made the media create the narrative. He cannot do that. I would like Obama to stop being reactive. He needs to be proactive. Its killing me. I like the guy but its killing me.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967729">justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967729" class="dsq-comment-message">There is more than meets the eye with Pfleger. Why did he do this after weeks of the Wright controversy? Trinity let him in that pulpit and had to know the media was watching.<br></br><br>I\'m telling you, I wouldn\'t be a bit surprised if some way, some how, Hillary & Bill is linked to this sh%t! I remember the media reporting that Hillary\'s campaign was going to argue the Rev Wright controversy with the SuperDelegates!</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967730">Anonymous</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967730" class="dsq-comment-message">Nquest,<br>It is one thing to disagree with how Obama handled the UCC issue.  Since I am conflicted about that, I will not weigh in.  But are you seriously asking how an Obama presidency would be better than a McCain presidency?</br><br></br><br>Junglecat</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967731">RhondaCoca</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967731" class="dsq-comment-message">Michelle-<br></br><br>"Authentic" blackness...no.</br><br></br><br>Nobody is questioning Obama\'s blackness can people stop with that.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967732">Town</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967732" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'m sorry to say it, but this guy isnt special at all, he\'s just another opportunitic politician.<br>-----------</br><br></br><br></br><br>Yes, he is.  All politicians are.  Bill Clinton ran on "hope and change" back in 1992.  Black folks loved themselves the Clintons until Obama came along and they started up with the racebaiting.</br><br></br><br>Why are we requiring Obama to jump through all these loyalty hoops and hell bent on "holding him accountable" when we aren\'t holding Stephanie Tubbs Jones or Maxine Waters or James Clyburn or any other black politician accountable?</br><br></br><br>It seems like we only want to hold black politicians "accountable" if they start pandering to white people too much.  Any other time, we look the other way.  Would we have held Hillary "accountable" had Obama not been in the race?  She would have gotten 90% of our votes too.  Kerry got 89% of our votes.  Did we make him jump through hoops to get it?  Gore got 90% of our votes.  Did we make him jump through hoops to get it?</br><br></br><br>Either we as black people start holding ALL politicians regardless of color accountable, or none at all.</br><br></br><br>Seems like the problem is more us than Obama or any other politician.</br><br></br><br>And as far as Rev. Wright not giving interviews, he could have gave his one little interview to Bill Moyers and kept it moving instead of going on the Jeremiah Wright Press Tour talking about black kids climb up over tables and that\'s how they learn.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967733">Ms.Martin</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967733" class="dsq-comment-message">Rhonda<br></br><br>I agree with you totally on the proactive/reactive thing.</br><br></br><br>I seriously doubt you are giving speeches about "whitey" at the level to which Wright and Pfleger did on a daily basis and still remain employed.</br><br></br><br>Now don\'t get me wrong, I know what they are saying about race in America is true, and I agree with a lot of what Wright said, but those accusations stand alone on their on merit without reference to the Obama campaign.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967734">dnA</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967734" class="dsq-comment-message">I think it\'s fine to make policy demands. I think making demands for gesture politics is counterproductive. Who exactly benefits from Obama remaining with Trinity? <br></br><br>No one here is talking about demanding that Obama fulfill promises to raise the minimum wage, deal with mandatory minimum sentencing or improve public schools. We\'re all just talking about his Church and how his leaving is somehow a slight to black people everywhere, even though its the best thing for Trinity and the best thing for his campaign.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967735">Melissa</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967735" class="dsq-comment-message">Yes its Christian like. W<br></br><br>Why would he want to get photographed in the church with all the "racists".</br><br></br><br>Michelle-</br><br></br><br>Sweetie, what are you saying?</br><br></br><br>Anyway.</br><br></br><br>Justice58-</br><br></br><br>Pfleger used her as an example of white privilege in our discussion on race. We are comfortable in our church and its like a family. We are not use to the scrutiny and its difficult for such outspoken people. Fr. Pfleger and Dr. Wright are very outspoken people. They are not trying to sabotage Obama. Like everyone else, they are very emotional about this election. However unlike everybody else, they are not allowed that freedom. This country is unfortunate. People should be free in their church.</br><br></br><br>I don\'t mind that Obama left. I am sick of the scrutiny. There are strangers in my church who look suspicious. We needed security at one point. We have media outside. I mean who wants that.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967736">justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967736" class="dsq-comment-message">"And as far as Rev. Wright not giving interviews, he could have gave his one little interview to Bill Moyers and kept it moving instead of going on the Jeremiah Wright Press Tour talking about black kids climb up over tables and that\'s how they learn.<br>-----------------------------------</br><br>Spoken so true!</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967737">Webb</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967737" class="dsq-comment-message">Wow, some of you are really "stressin-out" over the TUCC departure.  <br></br><br>Maybe you want *O* to be like GWBush and remain "unchanged and unevolved." You want somebody who thinks "changing their mind" is a bad thing.  You want someone who trys to look TOUGH by never changing their mind in spite of evidence and facts that demand CHANGE. </br><br></br><br>Maybe you all subscribe to "intelligent design" and think that Darwin\'s concept of Evolution is satanic.   </br><br></br><br>Please consider waking up and realize that when you vote for Barack Obama, you\'re voting for wise judgment in light of relevant facts.  I admire Barack\'s decision--and I would encourage some of you to explore faiths outside of your "comfort zone," before dumping on the Next President of the United States for being able to "change his mind."</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967738">RhondaCoca</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967738" class="dsq-comment-message">"No one here is talking about demanding that Obama fulfill promises to raise the minimum wage, deal with mandatory minimum sentencing or improve public schools. We\'re all just talking about his Church and how his leaving is somehow a slight to black people everywhere, even though its the best thing for Trinity and the best thing for his campaign."<br></br><br>I talk about that stuff everyday. However let me remind you that YOU created a post about Obama leaving Trinity so we are simply discussing it. I am sorry if we do not all agree. </br><br></br><br>I do not think that Obama is selling out black people. Is that better!</br><br></br><br>Goodness gracious.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967739">dnA</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967739" class="dsq-comment-message">Stop personalizing the "jabs at his bi-racialness" or using that as a straw man. You have no standing when all you "absorbed" from what was being said here was whether Obama was "black enough."<br></br><br>Nquest, </br><br></br><br>When you get your own blog you can tell people what they can and can\'t say on it.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967740">Nquest</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967740" class="dsq-comment-message"><b>But are you seriously asking how an Obama presidency would be better than a McCain presidency?</b><br></br><br></br><br>I\'m seriously asking what Obama\'s presidency would be on it\'s own merits.  "Better than" McCain doesn\'t say much to me AND I was very explicit:</br><br></br><br><b></b><b> this has nothing to do with McCain.</b></br><br></br><br></br><br> What happens when he wins? What? He becomes McCain himself... blowing in the wind, doing anything to APPEASE enemies of his campaign/administration?</br><br></br><br></br><br> tell me "what results" and, yes, what an Obama win is worth without assuming it\'s worth is self-evident</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967741">Melissa</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967741" class="dsq-comment-message">"instead of going on the Jeremiah Wright Press Tour talking about black kids climb up over tables and that\'s how they learn"<br></br><br>Wow...what distortion!!!! You know that that was not his message but yall are trying to be stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! </br><br></br><br>If half of you people knew what they man did for people and the amount of people that he inspired....you would not be talking so much SHIT!!!!</br><br></br><br>Obama uses so many of the man\'s phrases. I sit in the man\'s church...I know this. Yet you people sit here and talk about Wright as if he is so foreign. If Wright was so horrible then Obama should have never joined. He should have left year ago. You are looking for anything, anything...wow.</br><br></br><br>I am so done with you people.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967742">justice58</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967742" class="dsq-comment-message">Melissa,<br></br><br>I understand. I\'m just saying by both being men of God, they should have used wisdom! </br><br></br><br>Just so hurt Barack had to give up his church. That takes a very emotional toll on any believer!</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967743">dnA</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967743" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>I am sorry if we do not all agree.</i><br></br><br>rhonda,</br><br></br><br>when did I say we should all agree? I just have a different opinion on the subject than people who see this as a house negro move. </br><br></br><br>When people start saying things like "we\'re not demanding enough" of Obama because he left Trinity, well that\'s ridiculous. If they weren\'t trying to constantly denigrate black folks through his association with the church I wouldn\'t care WHERE he went. </br><br></br><br>I just don\'t think the stakes are high here, and if you\'re going to get mad at Obama for compromising, get mad at something that will actually affect us, not something that really should have stayed a private matter.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967744">Melissa</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967744" class="dsq-comment-message">Let me remind some of you or inform some of you that Wright has been speaking in front of the NAACP for years!! years!! He was invited months and months ago. He was also at the National Press Club last year. Hmmm... tour my ass.<br></br><br>He is always being asked to speak places nationally. He knows a lot of people and is very respected. He did not get invited places all of a sudden because of Barack. You have it backwards.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967745" class="dsq-comment-message"><b>Nquest, you\'re missing my point. - Ms. Martin </b><br></br><br></br><br>No, I\'m pointing out how your analogy has not point.  I also know that I have no reason to be "embarrassed" because I don\'t subscribe to that internalized racism of RACE REPRESENTATION even that "he talk like Blacks" type of embarrassment Pfleger is suppose to represent or whatever the point of your analogy was.</br><br></br><br>I\'m trying my best to see the parallels in my personal life other folk keep assuming is there.</br><br></br><br></br><br>&lt;&lt;&lt; dNA &gt;&gt;&gt;</br><br></br><br><b>Nquest, When you get your own blog you can tell people what they can and can\'t say on it.</b></br><br></br><br></br><br>LOL!! </br><br>LOL!! </br><br>LOL!! </br><br>LOL!! </br><br></br><br><a href="http://nquest2xl.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">C\'mon, dude.</a></br><br></br><br>Now that that excuse is out the way.  You want to show me where I told you or someone else what they can and can\'t say?</br><br></br><br>You have got to come better than that.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967746" class="dsq-comment-message"><b>people who see this as a house negro move.</b><br></br><br></br><br>C\'mon, dude...  LMAO!!!</br><br></br><br></br><br>You have got to come better than that.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967747" class="dsq-comment-message">this has nothing to do with McCain.<br></br><br></br><br> What happens when he wins? What? He becomes McCain himself... blowing in the wind, doing anything to APPEASE enemies of his campaign/administration?</br><br></br><br></br><br> tell me "what results" and, yes, what an Obama win is worth without assuming it\'s worth is self-evident</br><br></br><br>So have you not been paying attention at all? Do you not realize there are 2.5 million people in prison in this country, and that Obama has a sound corrections policy while McCain doesn\'t have one at ALL?</br><br></br><br>Do you not realize how many millions of uninsured there are? Obama\'s HC policy is flawed, but it would eventually lead to universal coverage if implemented, while McCain\'s would lead to higher prices for everyone. </br><br></br><br>We\'ve been in Iraq for 5 years going nowhere, while more and more people die and yet you act like there\'s no difference between the guy who wants to start more wars and the guy who says he wants to end one of the two we\'ve already started?</br><br></br><br>Bush has ordered torture, suspended due process and is spying on Americans. Obama has said he would rescind those executive orders, and has stated unequivocally that not form or kind of torture would be used. The last time McCain had an opportunity to vote on a bill banning waterboarding, he voted FOR it. </br><br></br><br>I mean Nquest, honestly if you\'re even asking whether the only reason to vote for Obama over McCain is because Obama is black, than I think you should be asking yourself whether that\'s the only reason you liked the dude to begin with. And if that\'s the case, then I can see why Trinity would be a dealbreaker for you. Because you don\'t seem to have any idea what\'s at stake policywise.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967748">Town</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967748" class="dsq-comment-message">Let me remind some of you or inform some of you that Wright has been speaking in front of the NAACP for years!! years!! He was invited months and months ago. He was also at the National Press Club last year. Hmmm... tour my ass.<br></br><br>He is always being asked to speak places nationally. He knows a lot of people and is very respected. He did not get invited places all of a sudden because of Barack. You have it backwards.</br><br>----------</br><br></br><br>I guess we best not say nuthin\' bad \'bout your Pastor!  Dont you say NUTHIN bad \'bout Pastor!</br><br></br><br>Look, if Rev. Wright wants to say that shit in your church, fine.  I don\'t go there, I\'d never go there.  But once he steps out that church and starts giving speeches being aired by CNN that all of America can see, then he opens himself up to criticism by all of America.  And there was no sense in him whatsoever talking about black kids climbing up over tables and that\'s why they learn differently.  If Rev. Wright doesn\'t want to be criticized for saying dumb shit like that then he needs to stay his ass in Trinity Church and off of CNN.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967749">triple m</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967749" class="dsq-comment-message">What price are we willing to pay for a black president?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967750">dnA</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967750" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>C\'mon, dude... LMAO!!!<br></br><br></br><br>You have got to come better than that.</br></i><br></br><br>No I can\'t. I\'m humbled by your creative use of internet acronyms.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967751" class="dsq-comment-message">Melissa<br></br><br>Sweetie, you have this thing all wrong.  Many of the people who are commenting here, including myself, defended Wright.  Right up until he inserted himself in the campaign in a negative light.</br><br></br><br>If you truly believe Wright is everything you\'re telling us he is, then you know that he is held to a different standard than your common man; his understanding is greater than the common man.</br><br></br><br>As a man of God, I believe it is his charge to distinguish not incite riots.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967752">Melissa</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967752" class="dsq-comment-message">"Just so hurt Barack had to give up his church. That takes a very emotional toll on any believer!"<br></br><br>Do you know how hurt Wright has been? He was hurt last year when Obama disinvited him. However he knew why it happened. He was hurt when people were distorting him and his character. He was hurt when he saw quick sound bytes being circulated with people labelling him a "racist", "Anti-American", "seperatist", "wackadoodle", "hatemonger". People were saying things about him when they did not even know him, what he did for his community, what his church meant and stood for....they destroyed a 36 year career. Thats not right. Meanwhile, you have Obama dismissing him as a "crazy uncle" who is lost in time. I could see the weariness in him. I could see that it took a toll. </br><br></br><br>He went to the National Press Club to try and introduce people to who he really was. He tried to use comedy to make light of things. He delivered an interesting speech about the black church tradition so people could have context. It obviously did not go over well. He never had bad intentions. He always says wonderful things about Barack. </br><br></br><br>Lets be serious.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967753">Melissa</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967753" class="dsq-comment-message">You people are talking about a man you dont know. I will correct you when you are inaccurate. Some of you are basising you assertions off of the media. I am correcting you.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967754" class="dsq-comment-message">Nquest <br></br><br>Huh? </br><br></br><br>I wasn\'t referring to Pfleger speaking black, I was actually referring to what he was saying not being acceptable in mixed company.  I was saying the same people who are outraged by Obama saying enough is enough, aren\'t outraged enough to make Pfleger\'s plaform their platform in places where it wouldn\'t be acceptable depending on the audience.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967755">triple m</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967755" class="dsq-comment-message">town,<br></br><br>It might not seem like it a lot of the time but we have freedom of speech.  Rev Wright can say whatever he choses.</br><br></br><br>What Wright said was good enough for the 20 years that Obama attended the church.  If you think that Obama hadn\'t sat through some of those sermons you must be sick in the head.  He couldn\'t have thought Wright was that crazy be he sought out the relationship with him.  No one would deny that the two were close. </br><br></br><br>Now he\'s leaving Trinity-after it is not longer of use to him.</br><br></br><br>I understand that you support Obama, but don\'t let that support blind you.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967756" class="dsq-comment-message">"Obama should have had forsight and been on this....he knew!"<br></br><br>Perhaps it was naive of him to believe that he would be accorded the same hands off approach of his religion and worship as other presidential candidates. </br><br></br><br>Fuck the media and black folks who have been collectively acted like a bunch of damn peepin\' toms in this man\'s personal life with respect to his religion. White folks have no damn business telling him where he shouldn\'t worship and likewise Black folks have no damn business telling him where he should!</br><br></br><br>The rule should be it\'s nobody\'s damn business where you lay your head in "sin" or prayer.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967757">Melissa</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967757" class="dsq-comment-message">Town-<br></br><br>"And there was no sense in him whatsoever talking about black kids climbing up over tables and that\'s why they learn differently. If Rev. Wright doesn\'t want to be criticized for saying dumb shit like that then he needs to stay his ass in Trinity Church and off of CNN."</br><br></br><br>He was refering to a book written by a black sociologist. I remember her last name being Hale. I have read it before. However I forgot the name and her full name. He never said that black kids climb up on desks and that how they learn. I despise that because he was not saying that.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967758">Nquest</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967758" class="dsq-comment-message"><b>I know that people agree with a lot of things that have been said, but they aren\'t outraged enough to take it to the mainstream in their reality, yet they expect Obama to take it to his mainstream reality. Get real.</b><br></br><br>Ms. Martin?  What\'s the "take it to the mainstream" stuff for?  There is a serious disconnect.  The "mainstream" asked Obama to "take it to" Wright and then Pfleger.</br><br></br><br>That\'s a fundamental difference.</br><br></br><br>There are plenty of anecdotes where White people have asked African-Americans what they think about Black leader X, rapper Y, etc.  In those experiences, there is a diversity of responses and plenty of them have been in the manner in which people have required of Obama.</br><br></br><br>But then again, the workplace is hardly anything comparable to Obama\'s campaign.  As a function of my employment or in the interview process, most/all Black folks don\'t get asked to distance themselves from something somebody they know said.  Most employers don\'t give a f-ck and only would raise that concern if your outside life impacts your production and, naturally, their bottom line.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967759">costello7</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967759" class="dsq-comment-message">I know it\'s rude to comment without reading the 88 other comments, but I feel compelled to remark that, yeah, I guess its for the best (and I certainly understand why Obama did this), but its never going to be enough for most of the people who had the problem to begin with.  Fixed Noise was immediately pushing the meme that he didn\'t denounce the church.  No doubt, Hillary\'s people will be out tomorrow saying he needs to reject and denounce the church.  And, whatever he does in this regard, at the end of the day they\'ll still vote against the skin color.<br></br><br>I still believe we\'re just a few months from President Obama.  I have great hopes for the future.  The younger voters make me proud.  But all this (right wing and racist fueled) angst about Trinity really makes me sad.  Were that we lived in a country where there was religious freedom.  Where a man could say, this is my church, what of it?  Perhaps we\'ll get there someday.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967760">Town</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967760" class="dsq-comment-message">It might not seem like it a lot of the time but we have freedom of speech. Rev Wright can say whatever he choses.<br></br><br>----------</br><br></br><br>Anyone can say whatever they want to, whenever they want to.</br><br></br><br>But, let\'s be clear, there are consequences to what you say.  If you don\'t want to accept the consequences, don\'t say it.</br><br></br><br>That\'s part of why Geraldine Ferraro is so angry.  She felt she should be able to say whatever she wanted, without consequence and when she found out otherwise, it enraged her.</br><br></br><br>Rev. Wright and Father Pfleger and Barack Obama can go anywhere they want and say whatever they want, but all three of them need to realize there are consequences to what you say.  Man up and accept it, or shut your mouth.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967761">isonprize</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967761" class="dsq-comment-message">I heard that Rev. Wright suggested to Sen. Obama that they keep a distance very early on.<br></br><br>Now that might be media spin, but it makes sense to me.  Both of these men are many thing, but STUPID is certainly not on that list.</br><br></br><br>Rev. Wright is very well known in Chicago, Phila, and lots of other places where he has been on the radio for more than a few years now.</br><br></br><br>ALL of this has been blown out of proportion, especially by the MSM, who, in my opinion, think some sneaky, shady stuff goes on in black churches.  </br><br></br><br>\'They are in there plotting revenge against whitey...\'  This is more about white folk being scared that black people will take out some long held revengeful feelings, than it is about Buddy and Barack. </br><br></br><br>Rev. Wright has known that he stance on many, many issues was not and will not be "politically correct."</br><br></br><br>Sen. Obama knows that he has got to walk a very tight rope to get the the White House.  </br><br></br><br>I, for one, am rooting for them both,  for Rev. Wright to keep doing his thing  and for Sen. Obama do keep doing his.   </br><br></br><br>Trinity will be fine.  Sen. Obama will also be fine.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967762" class="dsq-comment-message">nquest<br></br><br>There\'s no disconnet at all,you know exactly what I\'m talking about.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967763" class="dsq-comment-message">Were that we lived in a country where there was religious freedom. Where a man could say, this is my church, what of it? Perhaps we\'ll get there someday.<br>--------------</br><br></br><br>It\'s not just Obama, people had questions and concerns about Mitt Romney\'s Mormonism.  What the f*ck does him being Mormon have to do with his policies?  Vote for or against Romney because of his policies, not because he\'s a Mormon.</br><br></br><br>So I guess this election has shown us if you\'re Muslim you BET NOT run for office, and if you\'re Arab you BET NOT run for office.</br><br></br><br>"But he might be a (whisper) Muslim!"  And?  So?  It\'s these so-called Christians who have always made laws to oppress non-whites and women in the name of the Lord.  </br><br></br><br>Religious freedom?  Not any time soon.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967764">Nquest</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967764" class="dsq-comment-message"><b>"Pfleger\'s plaform their platform"</b><br></br><br></br><br>Ms. Martin, your analogy just doesn\'t work on a number of levels and I don\'t know what Pfleger\'s "platform" is and no one is asking Obama to run on Pfleger\'s platform.</br><br></br><br>But go ahead and tell me how many Black people you know as a condition of their employment, hiring, promotion or just being able to keep their jobs... how many Black people you know who are asked by their employers to denounces the "platforms" of people they know.</br><br></br><br>Both you and dNA insist that there are some parallels and that we\'ve all done what Obama has so let\'s see ya\'ll put some paint on that picture because there\'s nothing there but an empty canvass of unfounded assumptions so far.</br><br></br><br>What jobs do everyday Black people have that insist that they stop attending a certain kind of church?</br><br></br><br>Talk about gettin\' real...  Where\'s the real meat to this claim that we all have to do what Obama has to?</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967765">Nquest</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967765" class="dsq-comment-message">No, Ms. Martin, I don\'t know what you\'re talking about and I never will until you can verbalize it and say something that comports with reality not hypothetical, fabricated analogy.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967766" class="dsq-comment-message">RightOn Isonprize, <br></br><br>If i\'m ever in Chicago on a Sunday, i\'ll look forward to attending TUCC and hearing Pastor Emeritus Wright preach. </br><br></br><br>Likewise, I look forward to being in front of the US Capitol on Jan 20, 2009 to see Barack Obama become the 44th President of the United States of America.</br><br></br><br>There\'s nothing wrong with being in either of those places...and I certainly would not be trying to contrive DRAMA over any of this...</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967767">RhondaCoca</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967767" class="dsq-comment-message">Isonprize,<br></br><br>I agree with you. Thats my issue too. Its the media who made a big deal out of this. The very premise behind their coverage is racist. They are going unchecked...I cannot take it.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967768" class="dsq-comment-message">One\'s faith and relationship with God is not exclusively tied to the Church you attend. This is where many people go wrong. Sometimes our greatest hurts come from members of the congregation and many turn away from the Lord because of their disillusion. I\'m not happy to hear about this latest development, however, I know this would continue to go on until November if he had not separated himself. I would not want to be sitting in the pews worried about whether the person next to me has a recording device.  I also call into question those who say he should have left before his run as if that would have made the decision less jarring. Strategically it would have been smarter, but I don\'t think the "true" sistas/brothas in this discussion would have been appeased. Had he left then it would  have been "he\'s getting rid of the evidence...". So Dr. King the philanderer and Malcolm the X-con  had the morality thing on lock too.  I have mad respect for these men as leaders and HUMAN BEINGS. The amount of flack Barack gets is astounding at times. Disagreeing seems to equal grandstanding. "I cannot support because...". So I guess the last 40+ presidents met your standards or did you not vote?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967769" class="dsq-comment-message">"If i\'m ever in Chicago on a Sunday, i\'ll look forward to attending TUCC and hearing Pastor Emeritus Wright preach. <br></br><br>Likewise, I look forward to being in front of the US Capitol on Jan 20, 2009 to see Barack Obama become the 44th President of the United States of America."</br><br></br><br>I agree Webb. The two places are not a contradiction in my book. </br><br></br><br>Its the white mainstream media who cannot get their heads around it. The served it a certain way and everyone ate it up. </br><br></br><br>I didn\'t.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967770" class="dsq-comment-message">"So I guess the last 40+ presidents met your standards or did you not vote?"<br></br><br>I am critical with everyone. However as a black person, It is hard for me to watch what is going on here. People are overlooking the media and their manipulation of the situation.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967771" class="dsq-comment-message">I come here for refuge, safety, comfort and you guys are fighting too.<br></br><br>STOP IT!</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967772" class="dsq-comment-message">Hey rhondacoca,<br></br><br>I didn\'t eat it up either...like Donna Brazile was saying earlier, my mama taught me NOT to eat "everybody\'s cooking."  She especially taught me to avoid "some people\'s" cooking.</br><br></br><br>Be thankful, everyone is not eating it up as evidenced by JJP.  </br><br></br><br>TO anon@8:53 regarding the "true" sistas and brothas...LOVED THAT...they will not be appeased until Barack takes the oath in a dishiki with kente cloth.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967773" class="dsq-comment-message">rhondacoca, I understand where you are coming from. I was not referring to you. Again, I am not happy/am slightly conflicted about this myself. But, my thinking is not entirely linear and it seems that neither is yours. I was directing my comments to nquest, etc. who let the Wright issue be the litmus test--proof to say, "look he really doesn\'t like us!". You can almost picture them jumping up and down at the same time because there is a certain amount of glee in the tone. There are always those who get off on not being a "kool aid drinker" with absolutely no viable alternative plan of action and I have a problem with that. Our community along with the rest of this county needs an opportunity for results, not an "all of nothing" fist raiser where we end up with NOTHING.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967774" class="dsq-comment-message">The double standard is RIDICULOUS!<br></br><br>Folks on JJP might have asked, but has the mainstream asked -- </br><br></br><br>Where does John McCain go to church?    Who married him?  Why was he divorced?  Did he really call his wife a cunt?</br><br></br><br></br><br>The problem is -- here is Barack Obama (this exotic Negro -- he ain\'t even a regular Negro, we might have been able to deal with that... but who is THIS guy? who married a soul sista from Chicago  - damn, she\'s smart AND dark)</br><br></br><br></br><br>Wait, but they go to a Black church.  (What goes on in there, anyway?...)</br><br></br><br>Um,  he\'s running a helluva campaign.  He even got Iowa country boys voting for him. </br><br></br><br>(Whoa,  wait one damn minute here.  WHO IS THIS GUY?  Funny name,  must be a Muslim...) </br><br></br><br></br><br>Damn, that wife of his is kinda hot. </br><br>(But hold it.  She\'s talking, she\'s not SUPPOSED to talk!  Especially not the truth.  She\'s just supposed to stand there and look at him adoringly.</br><br></br><br>(Gotcha!   She\'s unpatriotic,  yeah, yeah, that\'s it!)</br><br></br><br></br><br></br><br>DON\'T GET ME STARTED!!!!</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967775" class="dsq-comment-message">Town I agree with you on your post about holding Black politicians accountable, et al Tubbs-Jones. If she was being held accountable she\'d be preparing herself to be elected out of office. I think in a perfect world Obama would have been more than content to stay at Trinity had he been left in peace to do so. He had to cut the ties. Someone mentioned MLK and Malcolm X. If this was today\'s political environment MLK\'s gay advisor and his extra-marital activities would have on 24 hr loop and what compromises would he have had to make? And he may not have been an elected official but he was definitely engaged in political activity. I seriously wonder if we were in similar situations would we be the subject of discussion and criticizing in the same manner? Would the hard decisions be topic for fodder? I wish Obama would be more proactive in these situations and I do see it as a weakness but I don\'t measure it as equal to say caving to pressure about signing Welfare to Work, or Don\'t Ask Don\'t Tell, or NAFTA, or broadening the Telecommunications Act and allowing one company to own 7 forms of media in one market, or the drug sentencing laws, or a host of other things that cause irreparable harm. I am reminded that though I am very enthusiastic about an Obama presidency he is just a man, not my personal savior and I will be disappointed in him. If we are more strategic and uncompromising in our support and work toward similar goals [cuz everyone isn\'t going to agree] we can bring about some positive changes in this country that meet OUR needs.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967776" class="dsq-comment-message">dNA,<br></br><br>You still can\'t manage to get the McCain out. lol</br><br></br><br></br><br><b>Do you not realize there are 2.5 million people in prison in this country, and that Obama has a sound corrections policy while McCain doesn\'t have one at ALL?</b></br><br></br><br>Do you not realize that a president (and especially a compromised Black president) is not Congress, the policy making branch of gov\'t?</br><br></br><br>Do you not realize that presidents face opposition to whatever agenda they go into office hoping to achieve?</br><br></br><br>I am well aware of Barack\'s platform, record, etc. Stipulate to it on the regular.  This Trinity sh*t, ever last Wright piece of it, doesn\'t bode well for an Obama presidency that won\'t be overly handicapped going in.  Enemies of his campaign know he\'ll bend now and Black folk, IMO, have little reason to believe he will stick to his "sound plans" especially for prisons and urban agendas that he just doesn\'t talk about much.</br><br></br><br>Now why is that?  Do you realize what a mandate is?  Obama is not promoting prisons reform and an urban agenda as key components of his platform.  No, like the video you went gah-gah over he\'s preachin \'to Black and Brown folk about how we have to realize just how tough White folks have it.</br><br></br><br></br><br>And you don\'t even go there on the war.  One of BAR\'s best critiques is on Obama\'s imperialistic impulse.  You seen him do the Israel dance and we know he\'s flexed his cowboy voice muscles about bombing Pakistan.  </br><br></br><br></br><br>What Obama\'s behavior has done is given credence to the BAR critiques that Obama would compromise on issues important to Black people and there is no guarantee that Obama will get us out of Iraq.</br><br></br><br>You do know campaign promises are often broken, don\'t you?  You do know where his votes have fallen regarding the war, don\'t you?</br><br></br><br> </br><br>You do realize that "sound plans" don\'t always get accomplished and that a variety of factors impact whether a president has the political capital to fulfill their agenda.  </br><br></br><br>You do realize the not-so-clever attempt to avoid:</br><br></br><br><b>What happens when he wins? What? He becomes McCain himself... blowing in the wind, doing anything to APPEASE enemies of his campaign/administration?</b></br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967777" class="dsq-comment-message">I guess what I\'m rambling about is this.  In these days and times, Barack Obama is the last best hope we  have of getting our issues looked at with an eye toward solving the many issues that we have.<br></br><br>But as Sen. Obama has said, he is not a perfect man, and he won\'t be a perfect president.</br><br></br><br>But HE\'s GOT TO GET THERE FIRST!</br><br></br><br>So,  between John "let\'s stay in a war, reverse Roe v. Wade, and screw working people" McCain</br><br></br><br>and Barack "get out of Iraq, appoint progressive judges, and give working folk a break" Obama,</br><br></br><br>I\'m going with Obama!</br><br></br><br></br><br>(Hell, I voted for Al Gore and I never knew where he went to church!  AND DIDN\'T CARE!!!)</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967778" class="dsq-comment-message">Everyone - Obama, Hillary, McCain,the MSM, Trinity Church and we the people - is guilty of BS in this particular situation.<br></br><br>We the public fucked up and let the MSM dictate a bullshit narrative that painted everyone in a corner, so now we all lose a little bit of our integrity, Obama loses the church he had for the last 20 years, and the church loses its reputation - and NO that is not Obama\'s fault, it\'s not even Wright\'s fault, or the fault of Fleger (or whatever his name is) since by right they all have freedom of speech, and what went on in the church should, hypothetically, have had NOTHING whatsoever to do without Obama\'s Presidential campaign since it is OBVIOUS that Obama\'s policies are sound (whether you agree with them or not), his mind is sound, and he is capable of making and consistently makes smart, independent judgments, etc. regardless of the beliefs of the church he attended and the religion he practices. Contrast that with McCain and the Republican Party which is in effect demonstrably beholden to Christian fundamentalists/m.   </br><br></br><br>Having said that, Wright COULD have kept a stiller tongue and this other Rev. definitely COULD have chosen a different message, but neither of them HAD to or SHOULD have done that, and when they chose not to do so, WE THE PUBLIC should have dropped the shit and let it go rather than acting as if the story was actually worthy of debate and had merit. We should have shut down and shut up the MSM. </br><br></br><br>Instead, we sat around debating bullshit like, is he Black enough? Is he too Black? Is he loyal enough? Can his judgment be trusted given Rev. Wright? Is his church Christian enough? Is he an Uncle Tom? As if any of that changes the price of gas, ends the war in Iraq, gets us health care or puts food on the table. </br><br></br><br>The rest of the world is shaking its head at the indulgences we engage in during our election process. We take every frickin\' thing personally. </br><br></br><br>Obama leaving his church at this time was a decision made by Obama and his family under the guidance of the church, period point blank. It was not a personal slight to you. He was not saying hey you anonymous blogger and all Black people, fuck off. It was simply an unfortunate decision that HAD to be made one way or another at some point in time for the benefit of everyone involved given the MSM feeding frenzy that took place and that we the public engaged. </br><br></br><br>And you can\'t say Obama SHOULD have left the church sooner, it\'s not your place to make that decision for him. Maybe he was hoping things would blow over and we would start focusing on policies again rather than another stupid nontroversy that does nothing for anybody and leaves us all feeling a little bit dirtier and dumber after it\'s all said and done. </br><br></br><br>You also can\'t say he should NOT have left the church, given that innocent people, who just wanted to worship in peace and have that right, were being harassed and threatened. And, given this new round of MSM BS, there was a good chance of this approaching a potentially dangerous situation, and had it become a dangerous situation, all talk would have been he should have left the church. </br><br></br><br>Clearly, this was not by ANY means an easy decision for anyone involved. </br><br></br><br>I, for one, am SICK of letting the media define people for me, because they NEVER EVER give a full picture of the person or the situation that they\'re focusing on. Right now, I\'m far more concerned with looking at Obama\'s policies and platform. And policies and platforms should be the primary focus of this campaign.</br><br></br><br>I am not going to pass judgment on Obama the man, in this particular situation since I can\'t say what he would have could have or should have done because I am not in his shoes, and I don\'t know what the heck I would have could have or should have done if I were. And I\'m sure that, given the chance, most of you who are so indignant above, would opt not to be in his shoes either because you  wouldn\'t be able to cope with the shit that he deals with on a daily basis and as well as he has.</br><br></br><br>This doesn\'t mean Obama should be free of criticism, but this whole thing is a waste of time. A year from now, will we even remember this crap will it be even remotely important? Somehow, I doubt it.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967779" class="dsq-comment-message">"Someone mentioned MLK and Malcolm X. If this was today\'s political environment MLK\'s gay advisor and his extra-marital activities would have on 24 hr loop and what compromises would he have had to make? And he may not have been an elected official but he was definitely engaged in political activity."<br>______</br><br>Excellent point. I had not even thought that far, but you are absolutely right. The modern climate is hostile and presents new challenges.</br><br></br><br>"If we are more strategic and uncompromising in our support and work toward similar goals [cuz everyone isn\'t going to agree] we can bring about some positive changes in this country that meet OUR needs."</br><br>________</br><br>Again, dead on. We are too busy knit picking on flesh and blood. People are disappointing creatures. However, on the larger scale what are the benefits? In the corporate world (and we all know who runs that) a man could be sleeping with his co-worker\'s wife, shat in his toilet, and slashed his tired YET if the common goal of <b>money</b> is @ stake it will all be pushed aside. We should take note.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967780" class="dsq-comment-message">May I keep it real for a moment...<br></br><br>We live in a world where when "white" people get upset and start cussing, they are called "assertive."</br><br></br><br>Yet when "black" people get upset and start cussing, we are called "angry."</br><br></br><br>The MSM actions do not surprise me.  In some ways, it\'s very good that some of us are agitating for the MSM to evolve...KEEP it UP.  It is a good thing.</br><br></br><br>As for Barack Obama, he needs to remain true to himself and DEFY the MSM by never becoming the ANGRY BLACK MAN that THEY and indeed many other RACIST MOFOs in this country want him to BECOME.  </br><br></br><br>Barack has got to be like Jackie Robinson.  He must continue embracing those peaceful Hawaiian vibes that are embedded within him.  Let Barack be Barack.  </br><br></br><br>In the meantime, you all can be the vicarious VENT for Barack, Michelle, Malia and Sacha.  I hope they come here and read this blog, so that they can find an intellectual release for the never-ending BS they face from the MSM and Billaries of the World...they need to be well rested for the Republican Onslaught.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967781" class="dsq-comment-message">I\'ve read this thread with much sadness.  I thought that we had gotten beyond these artificial measures of what constitutes "black enough".<br></br><br>For those who haven\'t read Barack\'s letter to the church, I implore you to do so.  There is pain and anguish throughout, along with tremendous love and respect for the church he loudly proclaims led him to his faith.</br><br></br><br>My people, I\'m begging you--we have to see the bigger picture here.  We have to shed this tunnel vision we so often have about so many things.  This man is running for the President of the United States of America.  As of Tuesday night, he will "officially" be the Democratic nominee.  I believe in my heart he\'s going to win the general election in November.</br><br></br><br>Does anyone truly believe that he won\'t be better President than John McCain?  That he won\'t do more for "us" than John McCain?  That just the very image of him taking the oath of office in January 2009, which will be transmitted around the globe, won\'t in an instant change things forever?</br><br></br><br>I\'m not saying Barack is the Magic Negro.  He\'s not a god, he\'s not a magician, and he won\'t solve all the country\'s problems in one fell swoop.  But, he has inspired me like none other.  To paraphrase Michelle, for the first time in my adult life I am proud to be able to support such a phenomenally gifted man. </br><br></br><br>I never believed I would see such a day.  I want to celebrate this extraordinary triumph.  Not read a bunch of mean-spirited comments about how Barack is not "black enough" or "down enough", or some such nonsense.  For those who have obsessed about his decision to leave Trinity, I fear that there really is nothing that Barack could do to appease you.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967782" class="dsq-comment-message">The nipple of Barack’s Soul Exposed<br></br><br>Elaine on Seinfeld said it best, could have been about Barack Obama….</br><br></br><br>ELAINE: I did not bare myself deliberately, but I tell you, I wish now that I had! Because it is not me that has been exposed, but you! For I have seen the nipple on your soul!</br><br></br><br>Obama has shown us a glimpse of his soul as he dumps his church…it ain’t very pretty. What a troubled lost man who wants to play president. Barak, go home, find yourself, before it is too late for you to “be a man, and take a stand.”</br><br></br><br>If you saw Barak Obama give the press conference today where he ditched his church membership, then you saw a very weak man indeed. I don’t agree with his church’s rhetoric but I did expect him to have faith in God’s house of worship and to not be influenced by the media. Senator Obama just does not have the core beliefs and soul to lead our nation.</br><br></br><br>He said that he refers to scripture every day. How can Senator Obama refer to the bible everyday and live with his own approval of abortion, the murder of God’s unborn children.</br><br></br><br>Had not Barack Obama read Psalm 23:4 since he said that he referred to the scriptures every day.</br><br></br><br>Psalm 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.</br><br></br><br>Barack was on the ropes, hit with criticism. So what, every man is at least once in his life. Barack have not you read:</br><br></br><br>Matthew 16:8 Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?</br><br></br><br>Didn’t Obama know that God would provide for him in times of trouble? I just don’t believe this poor lost soul of a man one bit.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967783" class="dsq-comment-message">I do not think this was a good political move. I think that the Obama campaign is stuck in a rut. I think that his staff is burnt out, and succumbing to bunker-like thinking. I think he desperately needs very senior staff additions. <br></br><br>I think this comes down to four things which indicate irreconcilable differences with the church: </br><br></br><br>1. Trinity is a mega church, and as such believes in spreading the "word of the Lord" as far as possible through any means possible. So if that\'s the case, then if pastor-obsessions (and what this really is is white people--specifically "journalists" like Ben Smith--who have never been exposed to the black church and its function being <i>shocked</i> because that\'s not the way it\'s done at the bland Episcopalian Church they go to), then there\'s massive temptation on the part of the church to create controversy and spread the word.</br><br></br><br>2. Reverend Wright is bitter. To date, he has remained quiet, but I don\'t expect that to last the election. I would be upset if I was him to, however I would also not want to give the real enemies--the media who twisted and distorted his words--the satisfaction of "bringing down Obama." If Wright popped up again between now and the election the media--which can\'t resist the freak show--would go nuts. And there\'d be nothing left for Obama to do, which makes it a gigantic problem politically.  </br><br></br><br>3. The fact that Trinity records all their sermons gives the media--and these people truly have no lives--a way to keep talking about Wright. Ultimately with $4 a gallon gas this isn\'t really an issue people care about. But the media is full of people who make $100,000 a <i>month</i>, so an extra ten bucks in the gas tank means nothing to them. This is about, as it always is with the media, cocktail party conversation. "Oh my God, did you see Father Pfleger?" No one cares, it\'s minute and irrelevant. But cocktail parties are about the inane. </br><br></br><br>4. What the media does with those video clips--selectively edit them and run them over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again for 13 weeks has very real effects both on Obama personally and on Trinity. I\'d imagine the threats on Obama have increased since Wright; and I know Trinity has received threats. Ultimately this distracts from both party\'s works, so it\'s best to go their separate ways. </br><br></br><br>I can understand that. However, given the Muslim smears, Barack would be wise to find a new church very, very quickly. A Baptist Church which does not allow cameras would be the perfect fit. But that\'s a personal decision. Still, he should have a new church ASAP.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967784" class="dsq-comment-message">Anonymous 10:09, that\'s right, you keep focusing on nipple metaphors and leave the big thinking to other people, after all, someone has to speak for the "proud to be a low information voter" might as well be you as you clearly have the time.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967785" class="dsq-comment-message">Anonymous 10:40, Your boy, Obama, is a real big thinker, says the word, hmmm, yeah "change" alot.  Too bad he got off script today and showed the WORLD what a putz he really is.  Ha ha ha.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967786" class="dsq-comment-message">Trinity was getting bomb and death treats from what I have heard.  They were not running for office, Obama is.  It\'s not fair to them to have their every move watched and being unable to worship as they used to.  It\'s not fair the media has done this while not even bothering to talk about any other candidates religion because they are white.   I hope he can find a new church and I hope Trinity can get back to the business they do so well.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967787" class="dsq-comment-message">Interesting to glance at some of the comments.  <br></br><br>My thoughts and prayers are with the Obama children - I know how important my church family was to me growing up.  The adults shaped me, I made memories with the other kids.  The foundation of my faith was developed.</br><br></br><br>Unlike some I do not have a black limitus test for Obama, just like I never got caught up in the abortion limitus test by republicans sought to impose [despite the fact I agreed with them]. </br><br></br><br>I do not expect Obama to be the best president for blacks - but for Americans.  Aren\'t we Americans too --- do we not deserve a thriving economy that includes well paying jobs for everyone, the honest hope that we can actually afford to send our children to school without mortgaging our homes, retirement and saddling our kids with $50K student loan debt by 22?</br><br></br><br>If you cannot accept the POLITICAL FACT that Obama is not likely to be at too many Black townhall meetings, then sorry we don\'t travel in the same reality.  </br><br></br><br>Why cannot we not disagree, and yet refrain from name calling.  damn if your support of Obama is so fickle that you can\'t walk through a little dust up without jumping off the bandwagon - than God bless ya and wish you well with the next 4 yrs of Bush/Chenay/Rove policies.  </br><br></br><br>Do you really expect to agree with Obama on every issue and decision - I don\'t.  but I try to refrain from letting emotions get teh best of me before reaching a final position on things.</br><br></br><br>Several months ago I heard Obama say that he prays to be an instrument of God.  So, how is drawing all this attention to Trinity being an instrument.</br><br></br><br>christian liberal, you suggest Obama is putting his ambition before God and while there is some merit - looking out the outside becuase we can\'t see his heart - it was reported that he consulted with the Pastor and that he and his wife prayed about it for some time.  I think we are best in leaving the judging of men to God.</br><br></br><br>I cannot see how he could have stepped foot inside of Trinity again. recently he even announced though he was in Chicago he was not going to the church in an effort to avoid being a distraction.  </br><br></br><br>When he was in serving - would God or Obama be the focus?</br><br></br><br>I\'m fine with his choice.  Even if I am wrong - it is God that Obama will answer to on this one.  Not me.  Or you.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967788" class="dsq-comment-message">Ohhh, I get it.  Obama HAD to leave the church, for THEIR protection.  Wow, maybe Obama will take away many of your rights, for YOUR protection.   Gee, Obama is sooooo thoughtful.  Or, is he just a coward who dumped his hate-whitey church cult who the stove starting getting hot.  Okay, folks, lets lay off the kool-aid!</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967789" class="dsq-comment-message">Okay anonymous 10:48, please answer the following questions:<br></br><br>In your own words, what are Obama\'s proposals for dealing with the following as President:</br><br></br><br>1. Poverty</br><br>2. Civil Rights</br><br>3. Iraq</br><br>4. Education</br><br>5. Global warming</br><br></br><br>What are your definitions of the words "strong", "tough",  "fighter" and "experienced"? Please give an example of at least three current politicians that you believe exemplify each of these adjectives, and state why you believe they do and give an example of how they have proven it.</br><br></br><br>What is your definition of "character"?</br><br></br><br>If you are voting/have voted for Hillary, do you believe that she has lied or pandered at all during this campaign? If yes, please give two examples. </br><br></br><br>Please also give two examples (outside of her being a female running for President) that illustrate how Hillary has clearly and intentionally expanded and improved the Democratic Party and the primary process itself during this campaign. </br><br></br><br>If you are voting/voted for McCain, do you believe he has lied or pandered at all during this campaign? If so, please give two examples.</br><br></br><br>Please also give two examples of two McCain proposals for improving the country that are, in your opinion, superior to proposals on the same topics put forth by Obama.</br><br></br><br>Do you believe that McCain has a clear understanding of Iraq, its people, its culture, its history, etc.?</br><br></br><br>Name three major successful initiatives that were spearheaded by Obama while a Senator in Illinois. </br><br></br><br>In your opinion, who were the top three Presidents of the United States during the last fifty years?</br><br></br><br>In your opinion, who were the worst three Presidents of the United States during the last fifty years? </br><br></br><br>On a scale of one to three with three being very important, please rate the following in order of importance to you re: choosing a presidential candidate to support.</br><br></br><br>-- Integrity</br><br>-- Courage</br><br>-- Intelligence</br><br>-- Race</br><br>-- Sex</br><br>-- Age</br><br>-- Party affiliation</br><br>-- Policy proposals</br><br>-- Charisma</br><br>-- Washington experience</br><br>-- Endorsements</br><br>-- Respect given by colleagues</br><br>-- Organizational skills</br><br>-- Past work performance</br><br>-- Voting record (if available)</br><br>-- Fundraising ability</br><br>-- Religion</br><br>-- Honesty</br><br>-- Temperament</br><br>-- Language skills</br><br>-- Proven ability to get things done</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967790" class="dsq-comment-message">Ruthdfw...<br></br><br>Well said. </br><br> </br><br>Let the Church (and the Church-less)say, Amen!!</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967791" class="dsq-comment-message">I know its late in the game but I feel it has to be said.  Wise the hell up BLACK PEOPLE!  Sure Obama has a white mother but the media did a paper bag test and decided it was O.K. to treat Obama like a NEGRO and that\'s why he had to leave his church.<br></br><br>  Its guilt by association by any means and, assuming that you are all raised in the U.S., you should\'ve known that.  Yes he had to leave his church.  He\'s running a national campaign and with the unusually high attention he attracts anything would be used against him to write a narrative that says "he\'s TOO BLACK and therefore you can\'t trust him."</br><br></br><br>  His church didn\'t exactly help on that front either.  They understood that he had a real  shot at winning and went out of their way to show out.  Hell Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, two people who know how to draw a crowd and a camera, had enough sense to stay quiet because they understood that they if raised a hint of full fledged support it would only be used to damage Senator Obama\'s chance to become President Obama.</br><br></br><br>  As usual you can now count on black people to consider going against thier interests and decrease support due to him making a hard decision that helps Obama\'s viability in the fall.  Yet black people normally allow white candidates for office disregard them at every waking moment and how do they pay them back for such disrespect?  With a vote and a smile.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967792" class="dsq-comment-message">Like McDonald\'s, all I can say is that I am loving this. If Black folk would have voted on the issues and not race, many of you would not be in this position of dilemma, anguish, confusion and perplexion. <br></br><br>You attacked Shelia, Maxine, Tavis, Stephanie, Maya and converted John in your efforts to support Barry.</br><br></br><br>I say any of you that voted based on race, made excuse after excuse for Obama and/or did not demand more from Obama as it relates to the black community, deserve what you get. </br><br></br><br>You were warned.</br><br></br><br>By the way, I bet it was Michelle who kept the family at Trinity this long - not Barack Obama. He is an appeasing weasle that would have left a long time ago despite his lies to the contrary.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967793" class="dsq-comment-message">Well Terrence you may be making blanket assumptions. I voted for Obama because of his anti-war policy not for the church he went to. For some people their relationship with church is very important and they may project that onto Obama or posit how they\'d like to see it handled. Clearly this is important to some people and if they use it as a litmus test then it is of value to them. That doesn\'t mean they won\'t support his candidacy. Heck we put Obama in the position of getting the nomination. We would do well to remind him of that, but he has astute advisors and they all know this. I actually have a little more respect for Jessie Jackson now that I know he was responsible for drawing up delegate allocations. I certainly didn\'t see him as a person to hold on a moral pedestal though. He was just part of that Civil Rights Industrial Complex and I really didn\'t see him as being effectual. Now I know I was wrong! Fellowship is an important aspect of our spiritual relationship - whatever our belief system is. I would not place that as the singular means of having and maintaining that relationship however. Perhaps we can lay some groundwork like Jackson did to ensure future Black candidates are not held to such a double standard. Perception holds a lot of sway with people good or bad and we would do well to remember that.<br></br><br>********</br><br>I want to talk about why there was a need for the Rules Committee to have met AT ALL. FL & MI broke the rules and should have gotten nothing. Here we have Hill & Bill trying to give all of us the big F-U and even now they  insult the candidate and the voters. This was from Maggie [Mammy] Williams:</br><br></br><br>"Harold Ickes and Tina Flournoy made the following statement:</br><br></br><br>Today’s results are a victory for the people of Florida who will have a voice in selecting our Party’s nominee and will see its delegates seated at our party’s convention.  The decision by the Rules and Bylaws Committee honors the votes that were cast by the people of Florida and allocates the delegates accordingly. </br><br></br><br>We strongly object to the Committee’s decision to undercut its own rules in seating Michigan’s delegates without reflecting the votes of the people of Michigan. </br><br></br><br>The Committee awarded to Senator Obama not only the delegates won by Uncommitted, but four of the delegates won by Senator Clinton. This decision violates the bedrock principles of our democracy and our Party. </br><br>We reserve the right to challenge this decision before the Credentials Committee and appeal for a fair allocation of Michigan’s delegates that actually reflect the votes as they were cast.  "</br><br></br><br>Does this sound like a concession in the works or enthusiastic support? It just seems like Obama is damned if he does or damned if doesn\'t do something.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967794" class="dsq-comment-message">heartsandflowers,<br></br><br>Obama will cross the "magic number" this week.  Once he does that he\'s the nominee.  At that point, Hillary can appeal to as many committees as she wants. . . it won\'t make a bit of difference.</br><br></br><br>As a matter of fact, I think I heard that she doesn\'t even have the votes she needs on the credentials committee.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967795" class="dsq-comment-message"><i>He\'s not invited. He better not walk back in. Not in my church.</i><br></br><br>::</br><br></br><br>How Christian. How forgiving.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967796" class="dsq-comment-message">Politically speaking, it had to be done.<br></br><br>But culturally speaking, I\'m disappointed that Barack couldn\'t see fit to FIGHT the media in order to bring about a change in their coverage, depiction, and treatment of Black folk.  </br><br></br><br>The media have been rewarded for their mockery of a Black institution--an institution that they never cared to understand or appreciate in the past, and won\'t care a thing about in the future.</br><br></br><br>This was simply an exercise in "flexing" on the media\'s part--to remind us that <i>they</i> control <i>us</i>, not the other way around.  Most Black folks held firm.  I wish Barack had done the same.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967797" class="dsq-comment-message">"What Obama did today may have been politically necessary. It was certainly politically expedient. And it is yet one more blow to Obama’s image as a different kind of politician. In fact, as we’ve learned over the last few months, Obama appears to be a Chicago politician through and through. When he perceived a threat to his<br>self-interest, he cut his ties to first his pastor and then his church, both of which he had expressed familial love and fidelity. This whole episode is deeply unattractive, even as it is deeply revealing.</br><br></br><br>Underneath the attractive veneer of Barack Obama beats the heart of a very, very ambitious man. Time will tell how problematic this may be and what snares this character trait may eventually lead him into."</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967798" class="dsq-comment-message">You can\'t run for president without being a member of a church, so this is a good time to make preliminary bets on what church he will join next. I\'m sure someone on his staff is doing the numbers and running a focus group about whether joining a Reform Synagogue will get him the votes he needs in Florida and a few other states, or, more plausibly, joining a Catholic Church will solve some of his massive problems with the blue collar "ethnic" Democrats, who are, regardless of national background, mostly Catholic. But maybe this is the moment to go after the Evangelicals? Or maybe he could just join a nice, mainline Protestant church in his neighborhood. Do residents of Hyde Park go to church?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967799" class="dsq-comment-message">For the very first time, I agree with s.<br></br><br>Barack has seen fit to allow the Democratic Party to treat him (and the vast majority of its Black constituents) with utter contempt and disgrace.  Many in the media treated him and us just the same.</br><br></br><br>Yet Barack took the opportunity to punish Trinity for <i>its</i> actions rather than the Democratic Party and mainstream media that have mocked and ridiculed him and us for over a year now.</br><br></br><br>I\'ll certainly forgive him this mistake, but he\'d better start showing more courageous examples of CHANGE ... and quickly.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967800" class="dsq-comment-message">In the aftermath of this saga, it should begin to dawn on attentive observers that Barack Obama represents a type that flourishes on many college campuses. The technical term that applies to Obama is b.s. artist. Obama is an overaged example of the phenomenon, but his skills in the art have brought him great success he\'s not giving it up now.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967801" class="dsq-comment-message">Obama left Trinity Church for the same reason he joined it -- political opportunism. The theology was always something he could take or leave. Both facts, the opportunism and the agnosticism about Rev. Wright\'s brand of black liberation theology, reflect very poorly on Obama.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967802" class="dsq-comment-message">Trinity\'s leadership could have taken the time to recognize that the white media would be all over them.  Rather than maintain a Godly and loving image, they fought back and raised the level inflammation.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967803" class="dsq-comment-message">This has been interesting reading and I can\'t say I have read all the posts but most of them. <br></br><br>What I am excited about is black blogs like JJP and the lively discussions. Something is really happening in the black middle class and I am looking forward to how we are going to impact the future of American politics. </br><br></br><br>I get sad when I hear people here being overly harsh on their fellow black people, writing things like "you people" and arguing as if there is one right way to be an independent, successful and happy black person. But I by no means want JJP to be some kind of black haven where we all agree. I say keep up the disagreements because it was white racism that said we all think and look alike. It\'s only through talking and diversity of opinions that liberating change occurs so keep it up!</br><br></br><br>I think I am as close to neutral as you can get on Obama. I will vote for him just because he seems most able to create some stability in the country when compared to McCain or even Clinton (who is finally a non-issue, right?). But as a person or politician, I am not that excited about him. Nor do I think anyone should be "excited" about a politician - that is the road to totalitarianism.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967804" class="dsq-comment-message">This is the same anon commentator from above: just wanted to add that the lack of attention on Obama\'s positions and policies (and he does have them - check out his website) is really worrying. It is self-indulgent to focus on reality show-like scandals and Obama\'s blackness when our country is going down the toilet.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967805" class="dsq-comment-message">Trinity and Rev. Wright did him no favors at all.  Rev. Wright did a great speech after the NAACP and then had to blow it with his attention whoring.  What is that white man getting up and saying those things knowing the chruch is being watched?  Obviously it\'s not all about him helping them, but about his future as well.  There comes a time when you have to leave something.  Now is the time.   I guess it was  mutual. <br></br><br>The fact is nobody is watching Hillary and McCain\'s chruch because they are white.   I don\'t agree with everything Obama does, but I also realize the reason he does it.  The man can\'t change the world and the media in every way, even if that would be nice.  Nobody looked fairly at Trinity because nobody knew a thing about black churches other then Roland Martin on CNN and he\'s barely seen. </br><br></br><br>You know Obama didn\'t want to have to leave.  He could have left and threw Wright under the bus when the original comments came out.  He could have left before he ran for president and he didn\'t.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967806" class="dsq-comment-message">@anon June 1 5:10am<br></br><br>Loved that comment! Thanks for making me smile</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967807" class="dsq-comment-message">Barack Obama is just a human being. he just so happens to be seen as black. I assume the majority of us here are people who get seen as black and treated accordingly. Negotiating white-dominated institutions is exhausting at times and this man is trying to access the most elite of white elite clubs in the US and some people seem to expect him to do it without compromising? White people can even get there without compromising. <br></br><br>I am not making excuses for him because he is choosing that path, but I just want people to be real about what all of us are mired in and I don\'t think any of us are uncompromised black Americans. We are all sold out somewhere in us - that\'s being human! We aren\'t islands.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967808" class="dsq-comment-message">anonymous:<br></br><br>Here, here, ditto.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967809" class="dsq-comment-message">ditto to anon 5:10 that is.<br></br><br>maybe a thread can be started to take bets, assuming the focus group has run it by the msm first.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967810" class="dsq-comment-message">Thanks Ronnie B.,<br></br><br>I agree with your assessment 100%. That is how I feel. </br><br></br><br></br><br>1. Politically, he had to. Some people here are acting as if we don’t know that. We do! However it still makes us sad.</br><br></br><br>2. The hypocrisy, double standard and racism in this were glaring. </br><br></br><br>You said: "But culturally speaking, I\'m disappointed that Barack couldn\'t see fit to FIGHT the media in order to bring about a change in their coverage, depiction, and treatment of Black folk.” </br><br></br><br>You also said:</br><br></br><br>“The media have been rewarded for their mockery of a Black institution--an institution that they never cared to understand or appreciate in the past, and won\'t care a thing about in the future.</br><br></br><br>This was simply an exercise in "flexing" on the media\'s part--to remind us that they control us, not the other way around. Most Black folks held firm. I wish Barack had done the same."</br><br></br><br>That was great. That’s how I feel too. You know, our society has been doing this for decades and centuries. They have always got away with it. As I keep saying, I am infuriated at the media not necessarily Barack and not Trinity. Trinity has been doing what they have been doing for 36 years. </br><br></br><br>"Barack has seen fit to allow the Democratic Party to treat him (and the vast majority of its Black constituents) with utter contempt and disgrace. Many in the media treated him and us just the same.</br><br></br><br>Yet Barack took the opportunity to punish Trinity for its actions rather than the Democratic Party and mainstream media that have mocked and ridiculed him and us for over a year now.</br><br></br><br>I\'ll certainly forgive him this mistake, but he\'d better start showing more courageous examples of CHANGE ... and quickly."</br><br></br><br>That\'s how I feel too.</br><br></br><br></br><br></br><br>Gov. Rendell was praising Farrakhan...on stage!! Its hypocrisy. Where was the media there. There is no footage of Obama doing that yet they continued to hammer him about Farrakhan. The litmus test must go.</br><br></br><br>It\'s hard to believe in CHANGE, have HOPE and UNITY when I feel this way. These people went unchecked. Somebody in the media, somebody black needs to put them in check.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967811" class="dsq-comment-message">Also, I am offended to the heights when people assume that those who dont agree with this decision are shortsighted or are trying to say that Obama is not "black enough". Stop with that rhetoric. <br></br><br>That is not the case. It is far from it.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967812" class="dsq-comment-message">I think Obama is trying to pick his battles.  The point of this is to take McCain on the issues (health care, the economy, Iraq) and Trinity was going to be a distraction to that.<br></br><br>And here\'s the other thing, maybe Obama really does disagree with what Pfleger said.</br><br></br><br>Maybe he really does disagree with some of Wright\'s comments.</br><br></br><br>Maybe he really didn\'t want Trinity to be under the microscope for the next several months.</br><br></br><br>Maybe his decision wasn\'t entirely politically motivated.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967813" class="dsq-comment-message">Obviously this took time! There was some anguish in the decision. And believe it or not it will be the Churches who are held most accountable, and judged first. Frankly, I wonder how much of the Word was getting into some of these sermons as hell bent on politics they seem to have been. This would definitely not be my choice of congregation. However, this was the place Obama called home for two decades and now it is not. People leave churches for various reasons, his are more obvious than most. I challenge anyone to say they actually thought he was still in attendance? And if you knew he was not, then why jump on this as if it is a surprise. What God would have you do for you and His will is almost always going to raise some eyebrows. I worry for my fellow Christians when people are expounding the virtue of being tied until death to a Church without any question of what God would have you or in this case, Obama to do. Spiritual growth at times means CHANGE.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967814" class="dsq-comment-message">Anon 8:37-<br></br><br>You bought the media narrative in regards to the church. Obama is not getting spiritual growth. However he is getting political growth (to an extent). </br><br></br><br></br><br>Terrence-</br><br></br><br>Get a Life!! You black Hillary Clinton supporter!!Not here! Go talk about your desperate candidate! There is nothing more embarassing than supporting Hillary Rodham "And I\'m Telling You I\'m Not Going, Tonya Harding" Nixon. </br><br></br><br>I still am behind Obama 100% however we hold the right to agree and disagree. The fact is that the man was backed into a corner by the white mainstream media whose job it is to look out for the white establishment and social order. </br><br></br><br>Obama is the man for the job not Hilla-monster.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967815" class="dsq-comment-message">Look, would people please watch the ENTIRE press conference before going off and making ASSumptions? <br>Link to part 1 (there are 3 parts) is here: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH4orJm2lWw%3C/br%3E%3Cbr%3Ejust" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH4orJm2lWw</br>...</a> cut and paste.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967816" class="dsq-comment-message">Also, please read the following entry from Daily Kos:<br><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/1/82050/07995/193/526607" rel="nofollow">Shake off the Pixie Dust!</a></br><br></br><br></br><br>And here\'s the direct link to part 1 of the press conference I posted above:</br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH4orJm2lWw" rel="nofollow">Part 1 of press conference re: Church and DNC R&B; decision</a>.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967817" class="dsq-comment-message">Tell you what the fuss is about...<br></br><br>Rev. Wright and Rev. Moss are great leaders of our Black Liberation Theology. Their mistake was that they informed the white man.  Hell, in slave days, the white plantation master wouldn\'t even allow his black uncle tom slaves to learn to read and write.  Do you, my brothers, think that the whitey establishment is going to allow ANY organized teaching thats going to lead our people away from the white economic slavery of today?  Dude, wake up, and stop telling the white man our plans.  Obama aint goings to get elected now that the black cat is out of the bag.  Bolika!!!</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967818" class="dsq-comment-message">First off, to the people who think he\'s just going to sign up to the nearest Catholic Church because he needs the demo: I really hope not.<br> </br><br>The UCC is a mainstream, national denomination. I doubt it\'ll be hard to find another church within the UCC family. AFAIK, not all UCC churches look like Trinity. </br><br></br><br>Secondly, I do believe the split w/ TUCC didn\'t come easy. I mean for goodness sake, he named his book after one of the sermons he heard from Rev. Wright himself. It\'s extremely inconvienient politically yet he still did it. I think that says something.</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967819" class="dsq-comment-message">Ronnie B said...<br></br><br>   " Politically speaking, it had to be done.</br><br></br><br>    But culturally speaking, I\'m disappointed that Barack could not see fit </br><br></br><br>to FIGHT the media in order to bring about a change in their coverage, </br><br></br><br>depiction, and treatment of Black folk."</br><br> </br><br>I agree with Ronnie on this. That said, it has been extraordinarily </br><br></br><br>difficult  for his family and church family, he said the media has </br><br></br><br>disrupted his church in a negative way.That could be the reason he is </br><br></br><br>leaving. This all speaks to the media, the pundits, and Corporate America. </br><br></br><br>So much of the mainstream media is owned by a small group of powerful </br><br></br><br>interest. </br><br>The last candidate they would want in power would be one who is not </br><br></br><br>Huxlian. I found this information after reading a corporate talking head </br><br></br><br>comment that American\'s would not be informed of the following because it </br><br></br><br>would cause them to consider the morality of Corporate America. Well, it </br><br></br><br>has and all I can ask is, Where is your pension money invested in? This </br><br></br><br>could be another Enron in the making.</br><br></br><br>From the Aisan Times</br><br></br><br> Take the oil prices. You will not here any of this in the mainstream:</br><br>Since the advent of oil futures trading and the two major London and New </br><br></br><br>York oil futures contracts, control of oil prices has left the Organization </br><br></br><br>of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) and gone to Wall Street. It is </br><br></br><br>a classic case of the "tail that wags the dog".</br><br></br><br>A June 2006 US Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations report on </br><br></br><br>"The Role of Market Speculation in rising oil and gas prices" noted, "... </br><br></br><br>there is substantial evidence supporting the conclusion that the large </br><br></br><br>amount of speculation in the current market has significantly increased </br><br></br><br>prices".</br><br></br><br>What the senate committee staff documented in the report was a gaping </br><br></br><br>loophole in US government regulation of oil derivatives trading so huge a </br><br></br><br>herd of elephants could walk through it. That seems precisely what they </br><br></br><br>have been doing in ramping oil prices through the roof in recent months.</br><br></br><br>The senate report was ignored in the media and in the Congress. The report </br><br></br><br>pointed out that the Commodity Futures Trading Trading Commission, a </br><br></br><br>financial futures regulator, had been mandated by Congress to ensure that </br><br></br><br>prices on the futures market reflect the laws of supply and demand rather </br><br></br><br>than manipulative practices or excessive speculation. The US Commodity </br><br></br><br>Exchange Act (CEA) states:</br><br></br><br>    Excessive speculation in any commodity under contracts of sale of such </br><br></br><br>commodity for future delivery ... causing sudden or unreasonable </br><br></br><br>fluctuations or unwarranted changes in the price of such commodity, is an </br><br></br><br>undue and unnecessary burden on interstate commerce in such commodity.</br><br></br><br>Further, the CEA directs the CFTC to establish such trading limits "as the </br><br></br><br>commission finds are necessary to diminish, eliminate, or prevent such </br><br></br><br>burden". Where is the CFTC now that we need such limits? It seems to have </br><br></br><br>deliberately walked away from its mandated oversight responsibilities in </br><br></br><br>the world\'s most important traded commodity, oil. As that US Senate report </br><br></br><br>noted:</br><br></br><br>    "Until recently, US energy futures were traded exclusively on regulated </br><br></br><br>exchanges within the United States, like the NYMEX, which are subject to </br><br></br><br>extensive oversight by the CFTC, including ongoing monitoring to detect and </br><br></br><br>prevent price manipulation or fraud. In recent years, however, there has </br><br></br><br>been a tremendous growth in the trading of contracts that look and are </br><br></br><br>structured just like futures contracts, but which are traded on unregulated </br><br></br><br>OTC [over the counter] electronic markets. Because of their similarity to </br><br></br><br>futures contracts they are often called "futures look-alikes"</br><br>To read more go to:</br><br>A glance at the price for Brent and WTI futures prices since January 2006 </br><br></br><br>indicates the remarkable correlation between skyrocketing oil prices and </br><br></br><br>the unregulated trade in ICE oil futures in US markets.... </br><br></br><br>Keep in mind that ICE Futures in London is owned and controlled by a US </br><br></br><br>company based in Atlanta, Georgia.</br><br></br><br>A glance at the price for Brent and WTI futures prices since January 2006 </br><br></br><br>indicates the remarkable correlation between skyrocketing oil prices and </br><br></br><br>the unregulated trade in ICE oil futures in US markets. Keep in mind that </br><br></br><br>ICE Futures in London is owned</br><br></br><br>and controlled by a US company based in Atlanta, Georgia.</br><br></br><br>Over the past couple of years, global crude oil production has increased </br><br></br><br>along with increases in demand; in fact, during this period global supplies </br><br></br><br>have exceeded demand, according to the US Department of Energy</br><br></br><br>Dollar and oil link</br><br>A common speculation strategy amid a declining US economy and a falling US </br><br></br><br>dollar is for speculators and ordinary investment funds desperate for more </br><br></br><br>profitable investments amid the US securitization disaster to take futures </br><br></br><br>positions selling the dollar "short" and oil "long"</br><br></br><br></br><br>For huge US or EU pension funds or banks desperate to get profits following </br><br></br><br>the collapse in earnings since August 2007 and the US real estate crisis, </br><br></br><br>oil is one of the best ways to get huge speculative gains. The backdrop </br><br></br><br>that supports the current oil price bubble is continued unrest in the </br><br></br><br>Middle East, in Sudan, in Venezuela and Pakistan and firm oil demand in </br><br></br><br>China and most of the world outside the US. Speculators trade on rumor, not </br><br></br><br>fact.</br><br></br><br>In turn, once major oil companies and refiners in North America and </br><br></br><br>European Union countries begin to hoard oil, supplies appear even tighter </br><br></br><br>lending background support to present prices.</br><br></br><br>Because the OTC and London ICE Futures energy markets are unregulated, </br><br></br><br>there are no precise or reliable figures as to the total dollar value of </br><br></br><br>recent spending on investments in energy commodities, but the estimates are </br><br></br><br>consistently in the range of tens of billions of dollars.</br><br></br><br>The increased speculative interest in commodities is also seen in the </br><br></br><br>increasing popularity of commodity index funds, which are funds whose price </br><br></br><br>is tied to the price of a basket of various commodity futures. Goldman </br><br></br><br>Sachs estimates that pension funds and mutual funds have invested a total </br><br></br><br>of approximately $85 billion in commodity index funds, and that investments </br><br></br><br>in its own index, the Goldman Sachs Commodity Index, have tripled over the </br><br></br><br>past few years. US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is a former chairman of </br><br></br><br>Goldman Sachs.</br><br></br><br>F William Engdahl is author of A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil </br><br></br><br>Politics and the New World Order. He may be contacted at </br><br></br><br>info@engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net</br></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967820" class="dsq-comment-message">To Anon 10:59<br> </br><br>This is exactly why I support Hillary Clinton.  You, unwittingly, have now exposed the fact which we all knew.  Namely, that Barack Obama is from a radical BLT church and that he really holds the white man accountable for his problems (not discounting that 8 of 9 murders in New Orleans are black on black.) I am horrified that you people in BLT are brainwashing black children to think that honest white Americans want to harm them.  How outlandish and rube-centered thinking!!!!  Obama should be thanking we people for even building Princeton University so that he would have a chance at a good US education.  I mean, really, when was the last time that a white student chose Howard University over George Washington.  I am so desperate right now....to reach out to the millions of black-type people of this country and to hold them and to say  "White people love you."  It was only from my mother, who had lots of black maids, that I would have even been exposed to the black race, but that has all changed since integration.  Not that integration would not have occurred naturally within a few decades anyhow.  Oh, well, go Hillary.</br></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967821">Anonymous</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1967821" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967821" class="dsq-comment-message">anonymous 11:19 - Oh my God!!!! I cannot believe that you said that!! Don\'t you realize that you are spouting racist remarks. Look, I am supporting Senator Clinton, but I would rather you just vote for Obama.  Not in my party.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-1967822">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1967822" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967822" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967822">Anonymous</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1967822" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967822" class="dsq-comment-message">I think that we all need to calm down.  It\'s not the religion, it\'s the person.  Senator Obama, for all his mistakes, will be our nominee. So, just vote Democratic like you always have and we\'ll all come out of this election in one piece. See you in Denver.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-1967823">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1967823" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967823" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967823">Anonymous</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1967823" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967823" class="dsq-comment-message">The Obama - Trinity issue is not dead...Wolfe Blitzer was discussing it today on CNN with a Republican strategist...I never thought Wolfe would see out our party for ratings.  Somebody reel that moron back to reality.  Obama in 08!!! <br></br><br>On another topic, Obama is down 17 pts against McCain on two national security issues, North Korea and East-West relations.  Obama might want to consider visiting North Korea.</br></div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-1967824">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1967824" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967824" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967824">Anonymous</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1967824" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967824" class="dsq-comment-message">You bought the media narrative in regards to the church. Obama is not getting spiritual growth. However he is getting political growth (to an extent).<br>_____</br><br>Correction. I\'m pulling from my own experiences with God when I use the term "spiritual growth". Does that tie into other aspects of life? Absolutely. Spirituality/Career/Family are intertwined based on the Word. I\'m not here to make this a theology debate, however I felt the need to comment since so many where on a religious high horse. I also don\'t think the media is framing this as anything other than a "sensational" story. They could care less about faith outside the demographics talk .</br></div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-1967825">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-1967825" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-1967825" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-1967825">Black American Princess</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-1967825" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-1967825" class="dsq-comment-message"><b><i>"He\'s not invited. He better not walk back in. Not in my church</i></b><br></br><br>Wow melissa, like that?  See that is precisely the kind of "christian" mindset that keeps alot people from going to church.  Is that what Jesus would do?  How ignorant...</br></div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 </ul>\
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	// HACK: We don't know if the callback wraps our container, which may
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