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It's not Obama's side. Hillary wants the full count. As I told you a while back, she shot down a couple attempts for resolutions coming from Obama and from the DNC.
thats what the lawyers of the DNC say.
hillary's side also wants uncommitted, in MI to be just that..Meaning no one gets them..netting her the resulf of mi and 0 of anything for barack in regards to Mi.
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Dean was inspirational.
For those who cry at Dean, remember that he was the one who rebuilt the national party to be competitive everywhere. There were a lot of red states that barely had a Democratic Party before he sent his organizers. He's also resisted attempts to weight the decisions towards Hillary. Can you imagine what would have happened if a Hillarly stooge like Vilsack was running the DNC now? While a lot of people aren't happy about the long primary, at least the results aren't the product of backroom dealing.
Will the presentations be made available online anywhere?
MSNBC has very little commentary. Unlike CNN.
But will see if there is anything else online.
I wonder what Donna Brazil is gonna say!
Michigan Hangs In Balance
Sam Stein
The Huffington Post
May 31, 2008 09:37 AM
Two sources, including a high-ranking official with the Florida delegation, have confirmed that the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee reached an agreement last night and will seat the state's entire delegation but give each delegate half a vote. The result would be a net gain of 19 delegates for Sen. Hillary Clinton, though no word yet on how the superdelegates from the state will be allocated. It is, the official says, a compromise that Sen. Barack Obama will be willing to make. "There will be theater but not much fight."
Circumstances, however, are looking very much different concerning the battle over how to handle Michigan's delegation. As of Saturday morning, no compromise had been reached. The idea of splitting the state's delegation 50-50 has been discussed but Clinton's camp, one source said, was not agreeing to the arrangement. In addition, reports are circulating around the DNC meeting that Sen. Carl Levin, who will be speaking on behalf of Michigan, will press for the seating of the state's full delegation, with full votes for each.
"If he does not get his way," wrote The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder, "he will likely challenge the RBC's ruling when the credentials committee convenes unless the rules and bylaws committee promises to strip Iowa and New Hampshire of their privileged status in 2012."
As it stands now, the Rules and Bylaws Committee could resolve the Florida situation while leaving Michigan hanging in the balance -- a situation that is tenable under party rules but leaves open the possibility, however slim, that the delegation matter would be unresolved until the convention.
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And Donna Brazil is fierce.
Obama is proving to be the bigger person in this.
Its a battle!
He totally pwnt Harold Ickes.
That was funny as hell.
I liked it when they asked Ickes is he wanted to clarify that question and he said and no and looked away. And they said....no, Ickes doesn't want to clarify. Wexler had a smirk on his face.
And what is this black womans deal? Is she a Hillary supporter? Cuz she is getting on my last nerves. No mam!
The sistah with the short blonde hair?
If so, I've been trying to catch her name.
Hartina flournoy...
STUANCH Clinton Supporter
its been pointed out, but i just want to say again, Ickes has no business on this committee. How is this fair ?
And how dare the woman talk about Why cant we seat 100% of the delegates cuz we arent the Republicans we can do what we want. Um why werent you talking this game a year ago when you chose to sanction FL and MI?
Um... Maybe becuz U thought Hillary would have won it! You didnt have the foresight to see Hillary losing a year ago lol! And now and only now do you want to make exceptions for miss white america!
Jack and Jill poltiical blog is gonna have a lot of the blacks supporting Hiillary be opposed in their districts. Cuz they arent representing the will of the black vote or their constituents!
Wouldn't that be like defrauding the people who didn't come out to vote because the DNC told them not to? Wouldn't that be like calling voters and telling them the election was cancelled, then later certifying the results..I dunno, it doesn't feel right to me.
I feel it would come back to haunt the DNC in the future.
Im one of the voters in FL who did not go to the polls. Basically the DNC is saying Fuck YOU it was my own choice to stay at home.. So I guess its ok that the people who didnt vote arent taken into consideration
And how does FAIR REFLECTION of a FLAWED PRIMARY make any sense? Im confused?
And why is Harold Ickees even on this committee?
This is all too much. Somebody tell Ickes to hush up now, grown folks are talking..
"F*uck You" is also what some Clinotonistas are saying to Obama for taking his name of the ballot in MI. They're saying well, you're stupid for honouring the spirit of the rules and following instructions, so too bad, you lose.
Can anyone imagine what it would be like to have the Clinton's and their motley crew in the White House? Non-stop strife and drama!
Are the protesters still out there?
BTW, I loved the story posted yesterday about Clinton & Rich Women. It really illustrated what really happens in power politics that I would never know about otherwise.
There is a tornado watch in DC. Maybe it will pick up hellory's minion and transport them to Oz.
I can't even watch anymore... blood pressure is surging.
Somebody tell me that Obama is still holding the big joker and not a king of spades...
Tina Flournoy
Yes. I'm glad I turned off the mute button just in time to hear him say that.
Classic.
Why aren't the MI party leaders being held accountable for deliberately breaking the rules? Why isn't hellory being held accountable for signing the agreement? How do you know when the rules don't count? Rules not counting is a very slippery slope and dangerous precedent to set.
1. I am just tuning in and reading the comments above. Is there a YouTube clip of Donna Brazile's comments when she got hissed at? I enjoy listening to Ms. Brazile, and want to catch what she said. Is anyone aware of a link on YouTube or somewhere of Ms. Brazile's comments?
2. Has any of these folk at this hearing brought up the fact the Hillary AGREEEEEEEED to discounting Michigan and Florida? I don't understand why the "f**k you" attitude is thrown at Obama for "taking his name off the ballot," but nobody is saying "f**k you" to Hillary b/c she's trying to change the rules AFTER her ass agreed to them b/c she is losing? I don't get the double standard . . .
Someone pls help and answer my 2 questions. Many thanks in advance! Peace!
John Edwards has endorsed Obama, so, if Florida counts, what happens to Edwards votes? Won't they get counted to Obama now?
I just woke up again! And this mess is still going on? I hope everyone has turned to MSNBC becuz CNN has dropped the ball big time on its political coverage. Although I am strongly starting to think about if they ever had fair political coverage. Although everyone should tune in for their "Black In America" special, but booo @ their political coverage.
Now... I understand everyone trying to work out something for FL becuz both candidates names were on the BALLOT. But to go back and forth on Michigan like this? Only ones person name was on the ballot?
They have to options with Michigan. Split it 50/50 or toss the state OUT!
ps: Is Harold Ickees still speaking?
If Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, and Harry Reid are watching this they better OPEN THE FLOOD GATES of SUPERDELEGATES and let it rain. Thats the only thing that can make all of the rules and bylaws stuff irrelevant!
Let me tell you something my mother told me, she said you should always follow the rules. And if you change the rules in the middle of the game, you are cheating! Cheating!
You beat me to it! That was definitely one of the best moments of the day. Donna Brazil is one of the most articulate and in tune women in the Democratic Party and probably on the National Political landscape! I would love for her to be Press Secretary for Barack Obama!
Brazil for President 2016!
That "brotha" is Ralph Dawson, a partner at the law firm of Fulbright & Jaworski.
Jungelcat
But if you notice CNN has been doing the tacky split screen essentially all day and allowing loud and unhappy people voice hteir opinions. MSNBC respects the intelligence of the viewer to let them come to their own conclusions about whats going on. And only brought on the analyst between BREAKS or when the committee rested.
Brazil comment will be all over YOUTUBE so im not fretting about people missing it. I know someone is uploading it AS WE SPEAK!
History in the making!
Rachel is right. Obama is going to have to play hardball if he wants to win. It's time to smack down hellory's arguments and show his fire in the belly to win the nomination. We can't always have everything we want. Things don't always go the way we want them to go. Maybe he is going to have to reconcile himself to the idea that he will have to put on the gloves and punch her out even though he doesn't want to. His campign needs to be MUCH more proactive and less reactionary.
And here is racism. White MSM thinks they have the right to pick hellory as O's VP. I think I need to turn it off now.
My apologies if my allegory offended anyone.
How does the clinton campaign want to count all the votes as cast in both FL and MI? When Clinton was the only name on the Ballot in MI? Thats like giving her a 100% total victory? What sense does that make? The dems dont do winner take all.
I wish there was more decorum in that room. It would have been nice to hear the arguments in a clear sober manner. Perhaps they allowed some of the hollering so that the Hillbots outside wouldn't be tempted to make up for seeming lack of support on the inside by ramping things up.
Wasn't it smart for Obama not to have his supporters enmasse outside? The Hillbots would have escalated things severely if they could have, and got a lot of tv time. But with no Obama people, the tv pays slight attention to them, there's no excitement, and Hillary looks like more of a fool.
:-) You are genuinely "more open" to everything written on this board. Love your conversations man.
Everyone else we are almost at the finish line regarding the primary elections. Keep your heads up.
:-)
Blessings.
Thanks for the apology to teacher. :)
I am speaking as a lesbian here when I say: your allegory was the LAST image I would want in my head about this thing. I do not want to consider that whole area do not want to consider it or think about it. Ugh Ugh Ugh.
Teacher, thanks for bringing it up.
I need to go wash my brain out now. With bleach.
Looking towards the future, a move toward the center is warranted.
Extremists aren't electable.
This whole Commitee meeting shows further why the Democratic party is such Bullshit. Negroes need to become independent and force people to court our vote. The lack o testosterone in the democratic party is evidenced in the purely ass backwards way they run their party. YES I AM AN INDEPENDANT!!
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Don't let what Val said make your head swell! I see you!lol
Ah, the similarities....
And Justice, I know you and the rest of JJP will smack me around when need be. :).
"Lanny Davis Loses His Cool On DNC Member
May 31, 2008 01:28 PM
Sam can be reached at stein@huffingtonpost.com.
A brief but spittle-filled shouting match broke out in the halls of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee hearing on Saturday between a committee member and a surrogate for Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign.
Lanny Davis, the colorful, committed, and sometimes unrestrained Clinton supporter deliberately interrupted a small gathering of press who had come to hear Jon Ausman, a DNC member, explain the basis of his proposed Florida delegation compromise.
"I'll tell you what," Davis chimed in, "the Clinton campaign's position has been misrepresented by this wonderful love-fest, and the lady who testified for us was saying that the Obama campaign and your proposal is not generous. But it is in fact unfair. If you want to hear, now that the love-fest is over, why don't you come over and hear the counterpoint to this completely disingenuous argument."
A befuddled Ausman who had earlier proposed that Florida's 185 pledged delegates be subject to a 50 percent penalty, asked who exactly Lanny Davis was. By then, however, Davis had herded a slew of reporters around Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, another Clinton supporter, who was standing feet away and insisting that Ausman's deal was far from a "generous" token by the Obama campaign. Then, in the midst of the hastily gathered question and answer session, Ausman reemerged to defend himself.
What proceeded was a heated and, at times, unintentionally hilarious exchange, with the two standing inches apart from each other and the occasional finger pointed in the other's face.
Ausman: [My proposal] is very generous, because Obama was initially fighting for a situation where Clinton would net 6 delegates, now it's 19.
Davis: Don't say you're being generous.
Ausman: I can say we're being generous.
Davis: But you're allowed to and I'm allowed to disagree...
Ausman: But I'm the one who's on the petition...
Reporter: Ok ok, why don't we --
Ausman: Are you a representative of Clinton?
Davis: No, I'm actually just a person...
Ausman: Are you a designated representative of Clinton?
Davis: I am not a designated representative.
Ausman: Then why don't we have a designated representative speak for Clinton and you be silent?
After the fracas ended, Tubbs Jones fielded several additional questions. Arguing that the only "fair" outcome in Florida would be for the full seating of the delegation and not for those delegates to be halved, she deflected questions as to whether the Clinton campaign's proposals were, themselves, uncompromising.
"My name is Stephanie Tubbs Jones and I am the congresswoman from the great state of Ohio, and on behalf of the Clinton campaign, we don't expect that the Obama campaign could be so generous to us to give us these 19 delegates. It is in fact more generous, and more appropriate, that all the votes be counted as they were cast. And if the votes are counted as they were cast, Senator Clinton will get much more than the Obama campaign is saying will be generous."
Within minutes the congresswoman and the press had dispersed. But a heated Davis was still strolling the halls of the Marriot Hotel. Talking to a separate reporter, he acknowledged that even if Clinton were to get everything she wanted, the likelihood remained that she would still lose the nomination.
"They can give us the full 38 delegates [the net gain of counting 100 percent of the vote] and still win," he said. "So why won't they."
Asked about the exchange with Ausman, he said: "I'm f-ing angry."
They caught the Donna Brazile remark on YouTube, btw. That was just wonderful to hear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Znob6zUnIM
I truly wish I could have seen Donna Brazile.
PS: If anyone wants to see Lanny Davis (Clinton supporter) acting like a 5 year old heres the video..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCKjAV1NM8k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Znob6zUnIM
Anyone got the clip of Levin bitchslapping Ickes! Is THAT true? I thought they were on the same side.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PewIXrzzazo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peggy-drexler/dont-vote-chromosomes-the_b_104484.html
Trust, but verify.
Democrats Get Nasty At Meeting to Pick Nominee
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3_nlw2I6MoQ
If you want I can dig for that statement but I read it and understood it at the time.
First of all, it's "independent". Secondly, you're just a Republican who is not registered as such, so you can say "YES I AM AN INDEPENDANT". Who you you think you're bullshitting?
MGM, I wrote my 1st protest email to MSNBC because buchanan told Kelli Goff to shut up. And you know what? I haven't seen her on there since.
Angela & all, there have been 2 stories about Lanny Davis on Huffington Post about Lanny being a republican operative & in fact a McCain supporter. What irks me is that the MSM continues to hold him up as a clinton supporter/surrogate, and we continue to go for it. Everything he says should either be filtered thru the lense of of his REAL affiliation or summarily dismissed. I have personally decided to dismiss him.
I'm glad that O left his church. It's about time.
Non-delusional, I think you will get your wish about many folks leaving the Dem party very soon. Insulting Black folks doesn't help as much as stating your case in a clear, concise manner. We are for the thinking hu/man's presidential candidate. You hold the koolaide. I drink from your straw.
ROTFLMAO
STOP IT!!!!!!
And what is this a hockey match? Boxing match? People are like booing, heckling, yelling, screaming!
And why is the MAY vs SHALL arguement so controversial. They really need to be more specific by what they mean!
The vote the Ausman deal
For: 27
Against: ?
Majority!
Harold Ickees is not HAPPY!
Yes, a new kind of politics...uh huh.
Yes we can--" Do whatever we need to save our Black political ass including toss Negroes to the curb."
Change we can believe in....Keep drinking the Kool aid.
Rikyrah:
You from Chi-town, stop frontin'. let folks here know what people are really saying about Obama post Jeremiah Wright in Chicago. Niggas keep drinking the Obama Kool Aid.
Niggas love symbolism and hollow imagery.
PS: Harold Ickes is such a bitter white man. If MI state legislature want this to go through why would he and Hillary oppose it. They decide what to do with their state! So the Clinton campaign needs to shut it up.
See y'all in Dever. Its going to the Conventionm which means the party will be divided and CANNOT WIN.
The people of FL were already disenfranchised once. Not again. And if Dean, Pelosi, Obama and company try it, the entire populace of florida and michigan should go ahead and vote for mccain.
This primary is flawed from the start and to taylor it to benefit hillary is crazy!
BULLSHIT. Her supporters made Hillary come off as ignorant.
All this identity politics and niggas swan songin' on about the Civil Right movement is doing nothing but assuring white people will NEVER vote this party into office.
YES I am a Black Man, and I am NOT a republican. I am an independent.
This shit is pathetic.
Robert Wexler
Donna Brazile
Everret Ward
Assclown of the Day:
Harold Ickes
When the campaign season started this party may have been controlled by the clintons but this is the BARACK OBAMA democratic party now bitches!!!!!!!!!!
The era of clinton is OVER
BARACK OBAMA!!!!!!!!
Lets not forget Alice Hoffman, and that other black lady with the short blonde cut, and tubbs jones, and lanny davidson! They all get honorable mentions!
And how dare that hawiin lady talken about sometimes you need to break the rules lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9V5NU6HuK0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DesyhrRYtB0&feature;=user
Too dumb to realize that McCain would roll back every gain women have made.
They get a special award...... Mammys of the Day.
This is truly a pathetic showing and will be remembered for generations as the most depressing spectical the Democratic Party has ever put on. They don't deserve Senator Obama.
Stupid Mutha fuckas. Hillary has officially shit on the Obama Campaign and set the democratic party up for failure. The televised menagerie was so problematic that people will NEVER vote for Democrats. FAMILIARITY BREADS CONTEMPT!!
And yes I am supporting and voting for this Nigga Obama. But I ain't no mark ass democrat, and I will not drink the Kool Aid.
Let's stop being moved by symbols and be concerned with substance.
The point is Hillary Clinton is not winning this nomination.
Brother, I hear you.
But referring to Obama as "this nigga" isn't acceptable.
You gotta communicate without the raw emotion.
Donna Brazile for president!
My Bad.
@anonymous
I ain't the one fawning over Ebony Magazine snap shots of the Obama's like the rest of y'all Negroes.
Black folk need to stop fiendin' for the saccrine laced symbolism and realize ALL politicians--big eared mulatto smile havin' or not-- need to be treated with suspicion and held to the fire. AM I THE ONE LOOKING FOR A MESSIAH??
Junlecate
The era of clinton is OVER
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And that's the REAL reason why the civil war is about to commence in the Democratic party, NOT because FL & MI were "disenfranchised" even though they were told beforehand if they jumped in line they would be "disenfranchised."
I get to a certain extent your point. I assume your contention is that JJ posters should offer a more critical analysis of Obama. Cool. Your point may well be received better minus the crass language.
In regards to the fawning over "Ebony snapshots". Could it be that so many are happy to see a Black, intact, family? The images we see in the media are of Black men (and people in general) are rarely positive.
Here in the Chi, my local news is dominated by images of R. Kelley, drug dealers, murders, and other non-sense. So you will have to forgive me if I get a little excited when I see a POSITIVE image of a BLACK family.
Now, I need to catch up some of these links ya'll posted (thanks). I was watching the coverage up until about they broke for lunch but I needed to get outside. It's finally summer in the Chi.
get your friends and family to go on line and donate before midnight tonight.
WhyTF are Ickes/Clintons arguing over FOUR delegates...the difference between 73 and 69 in Michigan...actually two when you count them in halves.
We all need to face the reality that the CHICK ain't going to have a GRACEFUL Exit...She's goin down in flames. The remaining superdelegates going to be bringin the matches and gasoline come this TUESDAY and WEDNESDAY morning. I don't need to see her concede, she just needs to go away.
Hillary can whine and complain all she wants. Fact is, we've got a stable "magic number." And Obama is well within reach.
He can pass that number this week--possibly by Tuesday (Chuck Todd was on top of this stuff).
Once he crosses that line the nomination is his. And Hillary can't do anything about that. 2117 means he's the nominee. End of story. . . end of Democratic primary.
The genius behind all of this is, now, Hillary is on the outside looking in. Her whole argument was to count MI and FL so they're represented at the convention. Well, that's a dead issue now. They have representation. And both of the compromises were made with full support of the FL and MI state Democrats. Hillary's all by herself. She's lost whatever moral highground she had. Now, it's just her and her partisans.
Party unity? For now, Obama just needs to focus on registering new voters and GOTV. He can win despite the sour grapes coming from some Clinton supporters.
P.S. Hillary's supporters really made her look bad. I would LOVE to see the media talk about that.
I am so fucken glad I did not watch a minute of today's coverage I might have went postal when I went out to do my errands today.
I will tell you this ... Civil War or not, Hillary seems to care little about helping others and all about helping herself to the Presidency.
I'm beginning to think a HRC Presidency would be Bush lite. Which would only be a small step up from McCain (who is simply a smarter, Braver, angrier Bush).
Funny ... those comments about Hillary wanting to run in 2012 by destroying Obama, doesn't seem too far off the mark now ... does it?
You have a gift for understatement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s
One more thing- The fact that Steve Geller, the thuggish clown of a Florida state Senate Democratic leader, based the lawsuit he just filed on the idea that the DNC violated the Voting Rights Act against Florida blacks is a digusting slap in the face.
I was just about to post that clip. Looks like someone was taking a little sippy sip during the restroom breaks.
My greatest fear is that Hillary will play/spin her defeat in such a way that she thinks she's Nicole Simpson and *O* is...dare I even say this...OJ.
In that case, the Democratic Party will SURELY BE DESTROYED...even if *O* gets the nomination only to lose b/c Hillary didn't step up and campaign for him...thinking she would get another chance in 2012...YES, this party will be a wrap. If *O* is not victorious, AAs need to start exploring our options.
Delusional, I think you are distorting & exaggerating people's support of Obama. No one is worshipping him, at least as far as I can tell. S'matter of fact, AA's didn't really get on his bandwagon until he started winning among White people. I've stated several times on this blog that I was 60-40 in favor of hellory at the beginning. I also liked Richardson & Edwards, & lastly Dodd & Huckabee. I was totally open to being wowed & wooed. Before Obama, I had never donated to a political campaign in my life. I barely even vote! But I have been impressed with O's integrity, intellect & organization. I have also been deepy offended by hellory's lack of same. How could I support her after the race baiting (she & billy insulted my whole race!)? How could I support McCain when he says that he is going to extend a war that I don't agree with? I don't know anything about Barr, but from what I know of Libertarians, I would not be inclined to be one or vote for one. I lean more toward socialism. Everyone has their own story on how they came to prefer O to become president, and this is mine. As others have mentioned, you are obviously angry about something, though I haven't been able to ascertain what Obama has to do with it. I'm not sure why all those white women hate him either, except that they believed hillbilly's spin.
Please don't refer to anyone by the N word. It's just not right to use that word, friend.
Webb, she is not going to quit without taking a stake to the heart. I posted earlier that O might have to slam her, even though he truly doesn't want to. He may have to pick between winning or not winning. Rachel M. has said it several times & I agree, she is looking for all excuses to take it to the convention. pat buchanan has stated that she can be voted onto the ticket as VP against Obama's will!!! All she needs to do is have someone bring it up. I don't want to see O make any concessions to this witch, but if he does, who can blame him? There might be a lot to lose if he doesn't.
This is truly a pathetic showing and will be remembered for generations as the most depressing spectical the Democratic Party has ever put on. They don't deserve Senator Obama.
________
Agreed. A mouthful of the truth. In the end he may have been better off running as an independent because with this party behind you it is hard to recognize the opposition. I am holding my breath for the moment they figure out a way to give the nomination away to the "inevitable" Queen.
it is working.
he knows what he is doing.
Everyone assumes that because I am black I should be a Democrat. I never liked the idea that no one considered what issues actually affect me or which parties values may align better with my personal values. It's always you are black so you must be a Democrat.
But why?
I'm not a big fan of social programs. I believe that people can succeed by working hard, getting the best education possible and believing in themselves, and taking personal responsibilty for their actions.
I am conservative. I am Catholic. I have strong family values. I don't believe in divorce. I believe a child raised in a home with two parents is better then one. I don't believe in abortion (for myself, although I think a woman should be able to do what she wants with her body). I want lower taxes. I want less government intervention. I'm a military brat, have tremendous respect for our men and woman in uniform and think that this country should have big defense organization. However I think we should get the hell out of Iraq and knowing what I know now I don't think we should have ever gone in. But I admit in the beginning I was cheering the war. Yep, I feel stupid for that one.
The Republican party aligns with a lot of my interests and beliefs, although not all of them. And there are many extreme right-wing members of the party that I can't stand, Hannity comes to mind. But people really fit into more then two groups so you are going to run into extremists no matter what party you affliate with.
I have never seen the Democratic party, who has 90% support from our community, really worry about listening to what black people are really saying and really, why should they, they are going to get 90% of the vote no matter what.
Imagine the voting power if people actually thought about why they were Democrats and more found that they are more Independent then they originally thought or even more Conservative. If the Republican party thought they had a chance to win a significant part of the black community then voices would be heard. If the Democrats thought they would lose a significant part of the black community then voices would be heard.
And I always hear, Republicans don't like black people. I don't think Republicans are any more racists then Democrats, we can see that from this election. Hell, the Clinton's are the ones that are suppose to be down with us so imagine what everyone else is thinking. I'm not sure where that argument started but it's pointless. Some people are just idiots and they come in all shapes, sizes and affiliations..
At the end of the day I vote for the best candidate and right now I think that is Obama. I disagree with some of his policies and am dreading my taxes going up but the war is a big issue for me so I'll suck it up. I also think his ability to inspire people of all races young and old is what our country needs right now because it's been a rough couple of years. And on top of it all I do want to see a black President. And I think he is going to be great in the position.