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Blogs also have a vested interest in saying traditional media is a pile of you know what. Truly, overall and generally elections show that this isn't true at all.
Excellent point! I have yet to see one single report to actually get the opinion of rural PA voters.
All I've seen are pictures of Hillary yuckin' it up with the locals, drinking shots and bragging about how she loves God, guns and learned how to hunt when she was a child. . . all blatant pandering of the worst sort.
I'll say it again, this has the potential to backfire on Hillary bigtime!
Her talk is all superficial. Yet, when you press her camp on the fact that:
1. She's made over $109 million to Obama's $3 million,
2. She's yet to explain her campaign's ties to Columbian free trade,
3. She's yet to give a good excuse for her state's loss of 36,000 jobs on her watch,
4. She's lived the past 25 years of her life in the insolated bubble that automatically comes with being the first lady flanked by full security detail and chauffeured around in motorcades . . .
(just to name a few!)
When you ask all of those questions they can't think of an answer.
You take any objective look at Obama and Hillary's backgrounds and you'll see just how stupid this whole "elitist" crap is. Let me see . . . Obama, raised in a single parent home, just recently finished paying off his student loans; with a net worth that's no more than a fraction of Hillary's $109 million. . . and he's the elitist? Whatever.
This story lasts until one of two things happens: 1.) news coverage switches to the upcoming debate; or 2.) the press sees that this "gaffe" had little to no effect on the national and/or PA polls - whichever comes first.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/13/bill-clinton-flashback-al_n_96433.html
Another thing. This really gets at the heart of the Democrats needing to grow a backbone!
I'll say it again. Like clockwork, we're seeing the same old smear that Republicans (and now Hillary) have used against Democrats for the longest: 1. Democrats are unpatriotic; 2. Democrats are elitists.
I really hope Obama FIGHTS on this issue. I don't need Republican-lite. You know you're in trouble when you see the Democrats sucking up to conservative NRA-type crowds. You NEVER see Republicans suck up to liberal groups like . . . let's see . . . the ACLU! No way. A Republican will tell the ACLU to "F" off in a hot second and watch his poll numbers jump by 3 or 4%.
You stand on principals. Grow a spine. Embrace your strengths and stop trying to play by Republican standards on national security, God, gays, religion and other cultural issues! Stop apologizing for everything!
Listen, if I wanted a Republican in the White House, I'd vote for one. Why settle for Republican-lite when you can have the real thing?
This statement is laughable!
You just spoke my mind. The nerve of a multimillionaire to call someone an elitist. And LOL at her supporting the Olympic protest when China's been in her pocket for a minute.
And good point about the Obama's just paying off their student debt. It's awfully tiring to hear people criticize Michelle Obama about suggesting that people work in the public sector/social services when she was making $250K/yr at her previous hospital gig.
Little do they consider how much the Obamas could've made had they not gone that route and little do they consider how much they'd accumulated in student loans from attending Ivy League colleges. Michelle said that it was Barack's book sales that paid off their student loans.
I posted this in the "BitterVoters.org" thread originally, but here is a video of a McCain supporter on Fox News. The reporter is asking him if he thinks Pennsylvanians are bitter and she doesn't quite get the answer she was expecting:)
Do you thinks Pennsylvanians are bitter?.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
As far as how this effects rural voters and PA voters, hard to say. My feeling is that people who support Obama either agree with him, or at least are willing to search out more info on what he said and why. For people who don't, its one more way of piling on.
I will say that Hillary's behavior is once again astounding. She is really trying to woo two constituencies, the voters and the superdelegates. I think her "church and gun" schtick looks fake to the voters, and does not endear her to the superdelegates.
For me personally, I get the news first and fuller on blogs than I ever have from traditional print/tv media.
Traditional media is a pile of poo.
Part of that is not their fault, they just will not have the resources those with access to the internet have. The internet is 24/7. Print and TV have deadlines and space restrictions. Journalists can say things on the internet they can't say in print or on tv -- at least, not fully. And those with internet access do not have to exist within an echo chamber (though many are content to).
Regular citizens can be the journalists and watchdogs Journalists (tm) may be told not to be in order not to dissatisfy advertisers.
For me, I pick up the local paper for the Letters to the Editors, the puzzles, classified scoping, and the comics. The last time I watched the news on tv 'as it happened' was in a dentist's office. It's a little easy to tell who has internet access and who is dependent upon print and tv journalism, from what's in those Letters to the Editor.
I don't pick up the local paper specifically for national news (unless there's a cover I want to save for posterity).
@BSerious, yeah, ain't that a trip? What are they going to say about it, though? What torturous twist are they going to apply to Bill's statements to differentiate Bill from Obama?
@ Nichelle and B-Serious, triple word, on where Pennsylvanians themselves are in all this.
For what it's worth, one is not going to get the 'real thing' in McCain, either, this year -- if one is so inclined to 'hold one's nose' and vote Republican in the same way that people are going to 'hold one's nose' and vote for Hillary on the Democrat side. That's what so screwed up, for everybody.
I saw a freeper post that Evan Bayh was more conservative than McCain. Given the state of Indiana, I'm inclined to believe that without further information.
@Kat, I want to put my head in my hands. It doesn't have to be that way, so why does Hillary choose this path of prickly defensiveness?
@pinksun, it's offensive because Hillary didn't think of it first ;) maybe.
I agree. First, let me repeat that I will in no way "hold my nose" to vote for Hillary. I'm not voting for McCain either. But I would vote third party or simply write in Obama's name if I had to.
But this is key. I'm one of those people who really thinks that this is a golden opportunity with Obama. And it's not because I think he's the messiah.
I think we're on the cusp of a paradigmatic shift in American politics. Much like Reagan was seen as a result of supposed liberal excesses in the 60s and 70s, Obama could be the answer to conservative excesses in the 80s, 90s and early 21st century.
The influx of new voters (mostly left-leaning, Democratic) has the power to shift this country from a center-right disposition to a center or even center-left disposition.
A Hillary nomination (especially if handed to her by the super delegates) will depress that fragile new voting base and squash this opportunity that we have.
I look at it this way, it's about influence. Which of the three candidates has the best possibility to influence American politics?
In a Clinton/McCain matchup, I can easily see McCain and the RNC influencing Hillary rather than the other way around. I can see her trying to "out-Republican" John McCain. She's gotten way too cozy with the right-wing press and the Clinton's history with centrist (right-leaning) policies worries me.
But Obama's different. His candidacy offers a glimpse into the future. Few have talked about the fact that Obama threatens to undermine that famed "Reagan Democrat" vote with a whole new constituency composed of African Americans, the youth vote, socially moderate Republicans and the ideological (liberal) wing of the Democratic Party.
This would be huge. And the perfect time to test this new constituency is this year when the base is energized, registration is astronomical and fundraising is through the roof.
The Republican Party is weak right now. I can't see McCain being able to match Obama's fundraising, enthusiasm, energy and message.
At least, that's my definition of the "fierce urgency of now!"
I Agree.
http://blogs.theroot.com/blogs/downfromthetower/archive/2008/04/13/there-goes-pennsatucky-call.aspx
The call is about her working on the ground in Pennsylvania to register voters and voter reaction to the comments
Lou Dobbs is on CNN being a pompous blowhard as usual...I've never seen a man so completely in love with himself. I always feel embarassed when I catch his show. I feel like I've walked in and caught someone masturbating. Then there's the Faith Forum. I bet they're going to hammer Obama about bitter gate. Sending him positive energy.
You got it. Right out the box, they gave Hillary the chance to hammer Obama.
However, she didn't land any applause lines from the audience during that segment (at least not from what I saw - I clicked it on about 3 minutes into the program).
Can't wait to see how Obama's received by the crowd.
Shows like "Good Morning America" and "Today" are going to have their first crack at this. Will they be fair? Or will they take the Lou Dobbs approach.
One things for sure. I'm already bracing for the spin that's sure to come from "Morning Joe" and "Fox and Friends." They'll try their best to make this look like the biggest gaffe in American political history. Joe Scarborough is so unapologetically in the tank for the Clintons, I'm not even sure if he believes what he's saying half the time.
I maintain . . . this will be a story until either the polls prove it's not a big deal or the media moves to cover this week's debate.
-21 elected officials and community leaders write an open letter to set aside the recent attempts at political-scoring
-the open letter has received over a thousand responses of Pennsylvanian's who are angry and "bitter" and thanked Obama for his courage. (the letter and some of the responses ar at his website)
-Pennsylvania Times-Tribune and the Pennsylvania Morning call endorses Obama
Add to that the fact that Obama gets a very warm reception and much applause at tonight's compassion forum on CNN. This included a standing ovation at the end of Obama's segment.
Another important part from tonight's forum . . . Obama got loud applause when he said that Jeremiah Wright was unfairly portrayed by the media. And all of this in PA where they're supposed to be waiting for Obama with fired torches and pitch forks.
Will this get ANY coverage in the media????
Sadly, I'll be shocked if it does.
Of all the wonderful things said, CNN is now focusing on the "bitter" comment. Campbell says she doesn't think he's adequately explained it for some people..I wish someone would ask her to name those people!
Go Obama!
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Fox also interviewed a Brotha, asking him about Obama's comments. I thought his was a good response too.
(Hillary)
Addressing the United Steelworkers in Steelton, PA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NIxmi3e2Vmo
Dang!
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/13/211132/586/146/495127
I saw his response. I loved it!
He wasn't angry, but he made light of the situation to reveal just how stupid it really is.
Annie Oakley! LOL! In a world of soundbites, that's gonna stick.
Good job Obama!
I liked it when is said he expected it from McCain, but he was disappointed to hear the same talking points coming from another democrat.
Then he talks about Annie Oakley and even he couldn't stop laughing...pure comedy!
Hey, "Annie Get Your Gun!" ;)
LOL!
People don't end up focusing on issues like the right to bear arms, gay marriage, faith-based and family-based issues, and the like, because of bitterness against Washington or a sense that they can't effect change there. People focus on these issues because modern American political culture is about subcultures, variety, pursuing parochial aims, and shaping one's identity and personal agendas independently of the state.
Exceptions to this, of course, are anti-immigration sentiment and bigoted protectionism, both of which Obama conveniently dropped in his Indiana comments.
His remarks are most condescending and offensive to those of us who do not view the state as the definitive solution to our lives.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4s0nzsU1Wg
It may help to make my point above.
I'd be interested to know what you think.
I don't think anyone would call Warren Buffet an elitist.
The implication of Obama's comments that less educated, less informed, rural Americans need to be made to see that he and the Democrat party are the 'cure for what ails them' is what is truly condescending and offensive.
'We know what's best for you.'
If only we would put our trust in him, and his party, instead of God and freedom, all will be well!
His statements can be interpreted to further imply, if you reject or express skepticism in our
message of the 'government as your salvation' then it must be because you are bigoted and xenophobic.
The "less informed" part of your comment is key. The idea is, if they had been voting their best interest, wouldn't their lives reflect that. You are taking offense where none is intended. That knee-jerk emotional response is what political predators use to control your voting wisdom.
"Less-informed" as determined by others, not oneself.
I contend that both political parties are equally guilty of predatory politics. Hence, my healthy skepticism.
Isn't that exactly what the uneducated folks in Philly are being told by Hillary?
Aren't the uneducated beer-drinking lunch pail pack supposed to be her voting block?
I keep saying it folks: if we want change in politics, we HAVE to change TV media. More Black and Brown people in TV management instead of personalities in front of the cameras.
Bill Clinton to Joe Klein in the Los Angeles Times in 1991
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/13/bill-clinton-flashback-al_n_96433.html