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Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

vv — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:10:00 -0000

"You know, he [Bush] wants to divide us over race. I'm from the South. I understand this. This quota deal they're gonna pull in the next election is the same old scam they've been pulling on us for decade after decade after decade. When their economic policies fail, when the country's coming apart rather than coming together, what do they do? They find the most economically insecure white men and scare the living daylights out of them. They know if they can keep us looking at each other across a racial divide, if I can look at Bobby Rush and think, Bobby wants my job, my promotion, then neither of us can look at George Bush and say, 'What happened to everybody's job? What happened to everybody's income? What ... have ... you ... done ... to ... our ... country?'"

Bill Clinton to Joe Klein in the Los Angeles Times in 1991

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/13/bill-clinton-flashback-al_n_96433.html

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

Ronnie B — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:00:00 -0000

There have been, at least, two instances where Barack has been criticized by Hillary and then by the MSM; only to learn that whatever Barack has said that was oh-so-offensive, was also said similarly by Bill Clinton. I'm also noticing a pattern whereby the MSM waits until the end of the week--when the damage is done--to make the connection.

I keep saying it folks: if we want change in politics, we HAVE to change TV media. More Black and Brown people in TV management instead of personalities in front of the cameras.

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

Ms.Martin — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:57:00 -0000

S said

Isn't that exactly what the uneducated folks in Philly are being told by Hillary?

Aren't the uneducated beer-drinking lunch pail pack supposed to be her voting block?

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Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:14:00 -0000

truthseeker,

"Less-informed" as determined by others, not oneself.

I contend that both political parties are equally guilty of predatory politics. Hence, my healthy skepticism.

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

TruthSeeker — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:48:00 -0000

@ s

The "less informed" part of your comment is key. The idea is, if they had been voting their best interest, wouldn't their lives reflect that. You are taking offense where none is intended. That knee-jerk emotional response is what political predators use to control your voting wisdom.

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:50:00 -0000

Obama is elitist, as it applies, in the academic, ideological sense.

The implication of Obama's comments that less educated, less informed, rural Americans need to be made to see that he and the Democrat party are the 'cure for what ails them' is what is truly condescending and offensive.

'We know what's best for you.'

If only we would put our trust in him, and his party, instead of God and freedom, all will be well!

His statements can be interpreted to further imply, if you reject or express skepticism in our

message of the 'government as your salvation' then it must be because you are bigoted and xenophobic.

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the only choice — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:31:00 -0000

To me, elitism doesn't have anything to do with money. In fact some of the most of the worst offenders are people without.

I don't think anyone would call Warren Buffet an elitist.

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:20:00 -0000

This Hank Williams jr. video is titled "A Country Boy Can Survive"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4s0nzsU1Wg

It may help to make my point above.

I'd be interested to know what you think.

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:12:00 -0000

Obama and the media are spinning to focus the attention on the 'bitter' portion of his comments. Undeniably, bitterness exists. But what is truly disturbing in his comments is idea that the government is the be-all and end-all of political-cultural behavior. Without the state there is no salvation, only resentment. This is nonsense.

People don't end up focusing on issues like the right to bear arms, gay marriage, faith-based and family-based issues, and the like, because of bitterness against Washington or a sense that they can't effect change there. People focus on these issues because modern American political culture is about subcultures, variety, pursuing parochial aims, and shaping one's identity and personal agendas independently of the state.

Exceptions to this, of course, are anti-immigration sentiment and bigoted protectionism, both of which Obama conveniently dropped in his Indiana comments.

His remarks are most condescending and offensive to those of us who do not view the state as the definitive solution to our lives.

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

B-Serious — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:15:00 -0000

@ texasgirl,

Hey, "Annie Get Your Gun!" ;)

LOL!

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

Texas Girl in L.A. — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:58:00 -0000

b-serious,

I liked it when is said he expected it from McCain, but he was disappointed to hear the same talking points coming from another democrat.

Then he talks about Annie Oakley and even he couldn't stop laughing...pure comedy!

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

B-Serious — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:34:00 -0000

@texas girl,

I saw his response. I loved it!

He wasn't angry, but he made light of the situation to reveal just how stupid it really is.

Annie Oakley! LOL! In a world of soundbites, that's gonna stick.

Good job Obama!

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

Texas Girl in L.A. — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:26:00 -0000

Go here is if you have problems....

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/13/211132/586/146/495127

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

Texas Girl in L.A. — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:22:00 -0000

Obama: Annie Oakley
(Hillary)

Addressing the United Steelworkers in Steelton, PA

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NIxmi3e2Vmo

Dang!

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

rikyrah — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:14:00 -0000

Jack,

Fox also interviewed a Brotha, asking him about Obama's comments. I thought his was a good response too.

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

TruthSeeker — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:59:00 -0000

YouTube video where Barack gets a little angry at the elitist accusation....

link

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

TruthSeeker — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:53:00 -0000

Obama was amazing! He really did a great job. I keep thinking this man is so reasonable, It's a feeling in your bones that he is being forthright. Her nasty opening comments made her look really bad in contrast to Obama's reasonable, thoughtful responses.

Of all the wonderful things said, CNN is now focusing on the "bitter" comment. Campbell says she doesn't think he's adequately explained it for some people..I wish someone would ask her to name those people!

Go Obama!

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

B-Serious — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:45:00 -0000

@texas girl,

Add to that the fact that Obama gets a very warm reception and much applause at tonight's compassion forum on CNN. This included a standing ovation at the end of Obama's segment.

Another important part from tonight's forum . . . Obama got loud applause when he said that Jeremiah Wright was unfairly portrayed by the media. And all of this in PA where they're supposed to be waiting for Obama with fired torches and pitch forks.

Will this get ANY coverage in the media????

Sadly, I'll be shocked if it does.

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

Texas Girl in L.A. — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:22:00 -0000

-Another SD endorsement today. Nancy Larson of MN

-21 elected officials and community leaders write an open letter to set aside the recent attempts at political-scoring

-the open letter has received over a thousand responses of Pennsylvanian's who are angry and "bitter" and thanked Obama for his courage. (the letter and some of the responses ar at his website)

-Pennsylvania Times-Tribune and the Pennsylvania Morning call endorses Obama

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

B-Serious — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:53:00 -0000

One thing I'm waiting to see is the treatment this story gets from the morning mainstream media.

Shows like "Good Morning America" and "Today" are going to have their first crack at this. Will they be fair? Or will they take the Lou Dobbs approach.

One things for sure. I'm already bracing for the spin that's sure to come from "Morning Joe" and "Fox and Friends." They'll try their best to make this look like the biggest gaffe in American political history. Joe Scarborough is so unapologetically in the tank for the Clintons, I'm not even sure if he believes what he's saying half the time.

I maintain . . . this will be a story until either the polls prove it's not a big deal or the media moves to cover this week's debate.

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

B-Serious — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:42:00 -0000

@truthseeker,

You got it. Right out the box, they gave Hillary the chance to hammer Obama.

However, she didn't land any applause lines from the audience during that segment (at least not from what I saw - I clicked it on about 3 minutes into the program).

Can't wait to see how Obama's received by the crowd.

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

TruthSeeker — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:04:00 -0000

Hillary's wearing a canary jacket, but on her, it just looks like pus mixed with phlegm. Right out of the gate the first question is about the bitter comment....this is a supposed compassion forum and it's being used to pander politically, I'm bitter about that!

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

TruthSeeker — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:59:00 -0000

ms.martin, thanks for the info re RSS.

Lou Dobbs is on CNN being a pompous blowhard as usual...I've never seen a man so completely in love with himself. I always feel embarassed when I catch his show. I feel like I've walked in and caught someone masturbating. Then there's the Faith Forum. I bet they're going to hammer Obama about bitter gate. Sending him positive energy.

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

Ms.Martin — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:52:00 -0000

I just read a call by Melissa Harris-Lacewell over at the Root

http://blogs.theroot.com/blogs/downfromthetower/archive/2008/04/13/there-goes-pennsatucky-call.aspx

The call is about her working on the ground in Pennsylvania to register voters and voter reaction to the comments

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

Ms.Martin — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:50:00 -0000

B-Serious-

I Agree.