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Jack and Jill Politics: Evening Open Thread

  • RobM · 1 month ago
    Gardeners alert
    Garlic Garlic Garlic
  • blksista · 1 month ago
    Yum Yum Yum

    A kitchen without garlic is a kitchen with no soul.
  • CraigHickman · 1 month ago
    I'm planting 200 bulbs this weekend.
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    you can see my experience with gardening with my next questions.....

    the bulbs are planted NOW, for harvest in the spring? winter won't kill them?
  • JeffL · 1 month ago
    Followup for cooks:
    AIGO BOUIDO (GARLIC SOUP)
    http://www.recipesource.com/soups/soups/06/rec0...

    Garlic is as Good as Ten Mothers (for keeping the girls away):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDHbDqBcNak
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    now, I use a lot of garlic, but have never had garlic soup.
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    Supermodel Stephanie Seymour, who is embroiled in a bitter divorce with estranged husband Peter Brant, has taken her clothes off for Vanity Fair.

    Brant is a multimillionaire businessman and polo pony breeder who is seeking sole custody of the couple's three children because, he claims, Seymour is hooked on drugs and booze and has repeatedly cheated on pee tests to hide it. He also claims his estranged wife's shopping habit costs $257,000 a month.

    Seymour, 41, accuses Brant of trying to turn their children against her and ordering the domestic staff to keep her away from them. Also, there is a dispute over a Maurizio Cattelan bust of Seymour said to resemble either a hunting trophy or the figurehead on a ship's bow.


    Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/stepha...
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    ..





    Elizabeth Warren: We Rescued The Top Of The System, Left The Bottom To Fend For Itself (VIDEO)
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    The Huffington Post | Lila Shapiro

    Elizabeth Warren, the chair of the Congressional Oversight Panel charged with monitoring the bank bailout, was on Morning Joe Friday morning to dig in to the newly released unemployment report. The numbers are bleak -- unemployment has surpassed 10 percent for the first time since 1983 -- and Warren is not surprised.

    "Let's face it," Warren said, "This is sort of how we went about the rescue -- we rescued at the top and we left the bottom to kind of fend for itself -- and that's showing up in the unemployment numbers."

    Warren went on to explain that the report is really about the guarantees the Government made to protect banks' assets while leaving the public out to dry.

    "Look, it saved the top of the system," Warren acknowledged. "It helped stabilize it, but not so much for families who are hard hit down on the ground, the real economy." There's always the question, Warren explains, about how you save the top -- in this case, the public pays for the banks' guarantees and the top executives benefit. "We said, in effect, at the top, there's really not any pain in return for taxpayer support. Not so much so when it comes to folks at the bottom. We said wait a year, we'll get there, we'll do what we can."

    Morning Joe host Joe Scarborough suggested that it was the old "socialize the profits, privatize the gains" scenario, but Warren took it one step further.

    "The way I think of it is: they say something like 'Give me your money, investors and I'm going to Las Vegas and put it all on red 22. And if red 22 comes in -- woo! we are RICH. If red 22 doesn't come in, don't worry because the tax payers will pay you back the money you invested."





    Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/elizab...
  • Alexander2 · 1 month ago
    You got me here. So, the TARP was supposed to improve the unemployment numbers? The TARP had nothing to do with output or employment in the short run. No one said that the benefits of TARP were to be measured in terms of output and unemployment. The sole purpose of TARP was to stabilize the financial system, which it has done. (I have tons of criticism of TARP, but this isn't one).

    That would be the stimulus, job creation and bringing down the unemployment rate. The administration is currently considering a variety of creative ways to deal with unemployment. Why don't you post that?

    Warren is piling on to the narrative that Morning Joke has established. I love Elizabeth Warren, but I hate to see her used by people like Morning Joke.

    Christine Romer gives a good and balance take on today's unemployment figures. But that doesn't fit into this steady drum beat of weakness, corruption, and incompetence that you want to create here at Firedoglake/JJP.





  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    Bar Funds for China-Backed Wind Farm, Senator Says

    Kim Chipman and John Duce Kim Chipman And John Duce – Fri Nov 6, 12:06 am ET

    Nov. 6 (Bloomberg) -- The Obama administration should bar a $1.5 billion wind-farm project in Texas from receiving U.S. government stimulus funds because most of the power turbines would be made in China, Senator Charles Schumer said.

    “The idea that stimulus funds would be used to create jobs overseas is quite troubling,” Schumer, a New York Democrat, wrote in a draft of a letter he said yesterday he would send to U.S. Energy Secretary Steven Chu. “I urge you to reject any request for stimulus money unless the high-value components, including the wind turbines, are manufactured in the United States.”

    U.S. Renewable Energy Group, a private-equity firm based in Washington, and Cielo Wind Power LP, a closely held company in Austin, Texas, said last week they formed a joint venture with China’s Shenyang Power Group to build the 600-megawatt wind farm. The 36,000 acre-project marks the largest Chinese-American investment in U.S. renewable energy, the companies said.

    A-Power Energy Generation Systems Ltd. of China, Shenyang’s largest shareholder, is set to supply turbines for the farm, the companies said. Calls made to A-Power’s offices in Beijing and Shenyang went unanswered today.

    “The complaints about Chinese renewable energy equipment being used in the United States are a little odd,” said Dennis Lam, an analyst at DBS Vickers Hong Kong Ltd. “Many of the solar panels used in the States are already made by Chinese companies like Suntech Power.”

    Chinese companies are also supplying parts for wind turbines to companies like General Electric Co, Lam said. “These kinds of distinctions about the origin of equipment are increasingly irrelevant.”

    ‘Furious’ About Aid

    Democratic senator Schumer said he was “furious” when he learned that $450 million in U.S. economic recovery aid may be used to help build the wind farm and create as many as 3,000 jobs, mostly in China.

    “I don’t care if the Chinese invest here and create jobs here: It’s where the jobs are that I care about,” Schumer told reporters yesterday in Washington. “I think if you told the other 99 senators about this the vast majority would agree with me.”

    “China and the U.S. enhancing cooperation on clean energy serves the common interests of the two countries and welfare of their peoples, which is also significant for commonly tackling the challenges posed by climate change,” said Wang Baodong, a spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington. “We hope that people in question will do more to help facilitate the joint effort instead of complicating the situation.”

    Renewable Energy

    Cielo President Walt Hornaday said the project will boost hiring in the energy industry and benefit people in Texas. He also said international joint ventures are “essential to the development of low-cost renewable energy” in the U.S. and that the project can’t happen without help from the U.S. economic stimulus package.

    “Without this incentive, wind projects will wait in the sidelines for energy prices to come back to the levels we saw a few years ago,” Hornaday said in a statement. “This could be next year or this could be next decade.”

    The Texas venture will be funded by Chinese banks as well as take advantage of financing through the U.S.’s $787 billion economic stimulus law, Cappy McGarr, managing partner of U.S. Renewable Energy Group, said at a news conference in Washington last week.

    Spokesmen for U.S. Renewable Energy Group weren’t available to comment.

    Tax Credit

    An Energy Department spokeswoman, Stephanie Mueller, said any application for the Texas project to benefit from a tax credit program under the stimulus would have to be “evaluated by the Energy and Treasury departments to determine eligibility.”

    “But no application has been received to date,” she said in a statement.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20091106/pl_b...
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    Chickenhawk Tancredo storms off set after Markos confronts him on veterans health care Hotlist
    by Jed Lewison
    Fri Nov 06, 2009 at 03:27:02 PM PST

    A few minutes ago on The Ed Show, Tom Tancredo tried to make the case against government health care by claiming that the Veterans Administration is unpopular with U.S. military veterans. The only problem for him was that he was up against Markos...who is one of those veterans, unlike Tancredo, a pro-Vietnam War chickenhawk who got a 1-Y deferment.

    When Markos pointed out that Tancredo was (a) wrong about the Veterans Administration and (b) not qualified to speak for veterans, Tancredo exploded in anger, demanding an apology. Markos did not oblige, and Tancredo stormed off the set.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/11/6/801495/...
  • RobM · 1 month ago
    Is there tape yet?
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    Go to Daily Kos. You will LYAO
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    yep...at the link.

    and, you can go to msnbc.com, click on The Ed Show, and it's the first segment from today.
  • RobM · 1 month ago
    Thank you rikyrah and djchefron

    We liberals, leftists, progressives and whatever else we call ourselves but the Democrats as a matter of fact need more slap downs like that. This idea of we can't respond like the right is ludicrous. The media wants a story they can sell. The Republicans always come prepared w/ talking points and people. They let the Ron Christie's and Sheena the she-devil speak for them so as to claim we're pure(any one see Rep Cantor talking about Limbaugh being off base today?). We need to embarass them off the air. We need people to check there ego's so spokesmen can speak. It really comes down to the idea of whether or not the Democratic Party is an organized party or not.

  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    that's why Grayson is such a breath of fresh air. he takes it to them and doesn't back down.
  • CraigHickman · 1 month ago
    Isn't he the one who said that the quickest way to get a school yard bully to back down is to stand up?

    Democrats need to stand up.
  • JeffL · 1 month ago
    Tancredo is on my short list for people I most enjoy seeing roasted. Markos mostly hits a fair target in this clip.
    However,
    I'm married to a forensic psychologist and have a family member who is bipolar. I have a tough time admiring Markos' personal comments relating to Tancredo's deferment.

    I don't know enough about Tancredo's deferment history and maybe he lied his way through it. But IF he had a legitmate mental disability, that needs to be respected.
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    I have love ones with bipolar and I understand what you are saying but Markos was on point.Tancredo supported and some might say had a hard on for the Vietnam war.He was in college and wasn't subject to the draft.When he graduated he no longer had those deferments so all of a sudden he had depression and WOULD NOT! serve in a war he was so gung ho about?GTFOH. His cowardly ass needed to be called out,I am a veteran my family has single payer health care thru the VA Administration and what he says is bullshit.My family have the best health care other than if we was buku rich in America.So not only he is a coward he is a LIAR!!!!!
  • JeffL · 1 month ago
    Tancredo = liar. No problem. And I'm not discounting the possibility that Tancredo feigned some of his "outrage" about Kos mocking his "depression". Facing Markos, a person of any wit would be looking at the first opportunity to bail of out the discussion at that point.

    I wince whenever I perceive someone making mental illness some kind of joke, or of conflating clinical depression with "feeling sad for a couple of months".

    It seems to me that someone who has been diagnosed and medicated for years for things like panic disorders and depression is not a good person to have on the front lines. He would be endangering himself and others. I know college could be a challenge for such an individual but a final exam might not be as stressful as getting shot at.

    By all means let's call Tancredo out for his hypocracy, his lies and lack of empathy for others. But if he truly had a serious mental disorder, let's not applaud when people mock that. Markos erred with those 6-7 words and could have made a similar point much more effectively.
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    Weiner Withdraws Single Payer Amendment Hotlist
    by mcjoan
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    Fri Nov 06, 2009 at 05:11:12 PM PST

    Taking one for the team, Rep. Anthony Weiner has, in agreement with Speaker Pelosi, withdrawn his single payer amendment:

    "I have decided not to offer a single payer alternative to the health reform bill at this time," says Weiner in a statement. "Given how fluid the negotiations are on the final push to get comprehensive health care reform that covers millions of Americans and contains costs through a public option, I became concerned that my amendment might undermine that important goal."

    His decision is a tactical one, but it may nonetheless disappoint progressive activists and elected officials who, at the very least, want to put members on the record, and see single-payer given its day in the sun.

    The "fluidity" of the negotiations is in large part due to the continuing push by Stupak and his abortion-foe colleagues to make the legislation even more hostile to women and reproductive rights. In the horse-trading world of rules, this can make it easier for leadership not allow any. The abortion fight is still apparently the main issue to resolve. Nice that these men are willing to hold up legislation that could benefit millions of Americans to make the political point that they want to control women's lives.

    In terms of Weiner's move, the biggest tactical mistake made by Dems in this debate was not using single payer as the starting point for negotiations from the left. It made no sense in terms of politics. It made no sense in terms of policy. But there you have it. The sort of silver lining for singel payer proponents is that, while the current bill will do a lot to provide coverage to a lot more people, healthcare reform will be far from finished in this country. There will be more chances in the near future to enact more sweeping reforms. Once we get past the hurdle of doing it once, we'll just have to keep pushing for more.


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/11/6/801482/...
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 month ago
    rikyrah: THANK U!! :>) JUST LOVE HER!!

    "While I'm waiting for the policy decisions to be made, I can make things happen in my family in SMALL STEPS!!"

    YES! U! CAN!! - - -FIRST LADY!!

    God Bless U! :>)

    LOVED the DRESS, COLOR!! :>)
  • Myth · 1 month ago
    Hey GL, ain't she first class!!
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 month ago
    HEEEEEY Myth: ***BIG HUG*** :>)

    U AIN'T NEVA LIED!! :>)

    F-I-R-S-T!! CLASS - - -FIRST LADY! :>)

    Good 2 HEAR from U!! :>) LUV YA!! :>)
  • Myth · 1 month ago
    Ready for Rihanna!!
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    Moving right might cost Kirk election
    Comments

    November 6, 2009

    Rep. Mark Kirk has long been a voice of reason in Illinois. A moderate Republican with an independent streak, Kirk isn't known for pandering.

    In our endorsement of Kirk for re-election last fall, we noted the North Shore congressman's efforts at bipartisanship, his knack for doing his homework and his penchant for speaking his mind.

    Take, for example, his blunt answer last fall to our question about then-presidential candidate John McCain's choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate: Palin, he told us, would not have been his choice. Few other Republicans at the time dared say that out loud.

    Fast-forward one year later.

    Whose endorsement is Kirk seeking in his bid to win a U.S. Senate seat? None other than Sarah Palin.

    The same Sarah Palin he dismissed.

    The same Sarah Palin who is so fiercely partisan it's hard to imagine her uttering the phrase bipartisan.

    The same Sarah Palin whose history of failing to do her homework has earned her well-deserved ridicule.

    Since announcing his bid to win President Obama's former U.S. Senate seat, Kirk has tacked right to woo more conservative voters.

    In June, he disavowed his crucial vote in favor of a climate bill. Then it came out this week that Kirk wants Palin's support. She is coming to town later this month to appear on the Oprah Winfrey show.

    We appreciate the political realities Kirk faces. To win, he must appeal to a broad spectrum of voters, including the most conservative.

    Those pressures forced another moderate Republican out of a special election for a New York congressional seat just last weekend.

    Leading national conservatives went after the moderate, with many, including Palin, rallying behind one opponent, Conservative Party candidate Douglas Hoffman.

    Knocking off the moderate initially looked like a win for conservative Republicans.

    But the final outcome offers a cautionary tale for Kirk. In Tuesday's election between a Democrat and conservative Hoffman, the Democrat prevailed in a district that has been a Republican stronghold.

    For Kirk, courting conservatives may help him solidify a primary win; he is the presumed front-runner. But it also could easily cost him a general election win in Democrat-leaning Illinois.

    Kirk built a successful political career by staying true to his values and beliefs.

    Now is not the time to abandon them.

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/commentary/1868099...
  • CraigHickman · 1 month ago
    Good luck with that.
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    Craig,

    we haven't elected - statewide- any right wing GOPers. our GOPers have been middle of the road folks. some milquetoast, other crooks, but none right wingers.
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 month ago
    rikyrah: November 2009: Photo of the Day- - -SEE #1 SLIDESHOW

    Here HE is - - AGAIN! - - - STROLLIN' on HIS FRONT LAWN- - -past HIS HOUSE!! :>)

    ***OXYGEN MASK!!*** :>)
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    Updated 6:39 PM CST, Fri, Nov 6, 2009


    Oprah Winfrey threw more wood on the fire Friday afternoon when she confirmed that she is moving forward with her OWN network.

    She declined, however, to comment on whether that would mean that her megawatt show would relocate to Los Angeles.

    "I am going to make that decision and make the announcement soon," Winfrey told CBS2.

    Thursday TV gossip guru Nikki Finke dished on rumors that Oprah was planning to uproot her show from Chicago and move to L.A. so that her the daytime talkshow could be the centerpiece of the new joint venture between Harpo Studios and Discovery network.





    The OWN network has been marred by delays and setbacks since it was announce two years ago.

    Finke said Oprah was handed an ultimatum by Discovery Chief David Zaslav. He reportedly told her to “move it or lose it.” She subsequently decided not to renew her contract with ABC when it runs out in Fall 2011, Finke reported

    Harpo Studios reps said no decision has been made.

    But there are troubling signs that the news could be true. Harpo's Lisa Erspamer, a key player on the Oprah show, was recently named chief creative officer for the OWN network, according to Crains.

    http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/Oprah...
  • mon_dieu_ishmael · 1 month ago
    "He also claims his estranged wife's shopping habit costs $257,000 a month."

    mother of god - what the heck does she buy - i mean thats a lot of shoes.
    (if its true, of course)
    (edit)
    LOL - this is a reply to the first post below - all this disqus(t) logging in and out it getting me confunded.


  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    unreal, isn't it
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    Martian landscapes
    Since 2006, NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) has been orbiting Mars, currently circling approximately 300 km (187 mi) above the Martian surface. On board the MRO is HiRISE, the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment camera, which has been photographing the planet for several years now at resolutions as fine as mere inches per pixel. Collected here is a group of images from HiRISE over the past few years, in either false color or grayscale, showing intricate details of landscapes both familiar and alien, from the surface of our neighboring planet, Mars. I invite you to take your time looking through these, imagining the settings - very cold, dry and distant, yet real. (35 photos total)
    http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/11/martia...
  • Karmi · 1 month ago
    Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - A bad week for Democrats compounded by an awful moment for Barack Obama.
    Obama Gives Shout Out to 'Congressional Medal of Honor Winner' Who Isn't - Obama, often described as "cerebral" by the mainstream media, should know the difference between the Medal of Honor and the Medal of Freedom, especially since he personally awarded the latter to Crow.
  • miss_opinion · 1 month ago
    what
  • texascowgirl · 1 month ago
    Ignore it. It's crazy.
  • mon_dieu_ishmael · 1 month ago
    Obama Gives Shout Out to 'Congressional Medal of Honor Winner' Who Isn't

    Some of the comments at the link are kind of funny, especially the picture of Mr Obama putting the Medal of Freedom on Mr Crow. It looks like Mr Obama is trying to avoid getting a feather stuck up his nose.

  • Micheline · 1 month ago
    Your point
  • mon_dieu_ishmael · 1 month ago
    Did you look at the picture of Mr Obama trying to put the Medal of Freedom on Mr Crow? Mr Crow is wearing what appears to my untrained eye to be a feathered head bonnet that is all up in Mr Obama's face as he tries to put the medal on Mr Crow. Look at Mr Obama's facial expression. My point is that it is funny.
  • Town · 1 month ago
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    LOL....

    sometimes, you gotta laugh

    that was cr-azy.

    lol

    this guy should be Obama on SNL.