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Anonymous — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:50:00 -0000

Actually Clinton’s defeat was greater than 26%, she had been up in the polls by 20%. So, she actually dropped by 46%! She was routed!

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Ronnie B — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:09:00 -0000

BTW, where the f*** is Al Shopton?

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Ronnie B — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:05:00 -0000

rik:

You got damm right. You were in my head on that one.

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Rachel — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:27:00 -0000

Rikyrah, your point is thoughtful and probably true.

But I think it goes far beyond that - white progressives feel that kinship with Obama too. And traditional "values voters", the churchgoers who have gone with the Republicans for decades but realize the Sermon on the Mount wasn't actually pro-business, anti-gay, etc. And immigrants who came here because they believed what we say about America, but haven't yet lived up to. And flag-waving patriots who love this country but know something is terribly wrong.

He is a man (the first public figure I've ever seen in my life) who "appeals to the better angels of our nature."

And I fucking love it.

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rikyrah — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:12:00 -0000

Barack Obama, IMO, gained the lock on the Black vote this past month. Why?

I've been making this point elsewhere and I'll make it here too:

A number of White So-called Progressives are choosing to ignore this canary in the mine called their fellow Black posters. They simply do not choose to understand why Obama, though not changing any of his campaigning, is being held close to the busom, especially by the Black Middle & Professional Classes.

They don't even want to confront why, but I'll say it anyway.

It's because they see themselves in Obama.

Not just because Obama is Black; they try and simple simon it down to stooge level like that.

IMO, these Black Middle and Upper Class folks see THEMSELVES in Obama. They completely identify with him, and his 'struggle' in White Corporate America. The Arena is Politics, but it's just the same to them as the Corporate America in which they travel everyday.

They see in Obama, someone who is playing by a set of rules NOT for him, doing pretty well, and just as he's about to truly succeed, THE RULES CHANGE.

The script is flipped and rules that never were there suddenly are.

Someone pointed out this week, on a board that, in addition to the attempts by the media to go along with the Three-Fifthsization of the South Carolina Primary, there was also other caveats that come out of nowehre, like, Obama just couldn't win, but he had to win BIG in order for it to begin to ' actually count'. I was like WTF? Hillary Clinton can win NH by 3 points, and it's the second coming, but Obama had to win HUGE in South Carolina, because, somehow, Black votes are less than others.

See - rules change out of nowhere.

The Black Middle and Professional Classes know this; that's why this Dogwhistle Politics is ringing in their ears LOUDLY. They see themselves in Obama, and they understand TO THEIR SOULS how wrong he's being done.

Another part of this is that, since Obama began this campaign, he has been criticized by some, for not 'changing message' for Black folks. I had always argued that he couldn't. In order for him to win, he had to stay pretty consistent with his message.

Black folks are also mad at the Clintons because, though it took them nearly a year, for the most part, I believe our community had made peace with the fact that Obama had to be The Candidate Running for President Who Happens to Be Black instead of The Black Candidate. And, just when 'WE' accept that, here come THE CLINTONS....NOT Republicans, but THE CLINTONS, trying to turn Obama into The Black Candidate. It burns.

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Adam — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:09:00 -0000

In terms of political strategy, I think we may be underestimating how important SC is to Obama.

For months, the question was if Barack would win the black vote and the assumption was the Clintons would control a significant share of it.

Now if this trend continues Barack has the black vote on lock and he will not have to work as hard as his campaign may have anticipated to keep it. This allows him the time and resources to reach out to young votes, white male voters and try to carve into the Latino vote.

Blacks, youth, white males and just enough of the Latino vote. Obama can get those votes. He can win this thing.

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ikl — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 04:48:00 -0000

Hey, don't knock Edwards. If he wants to be the identity politics candidate for white Southerners (based on regional voting patterns in SC, I'm guessing that a substantial number of Clinton's white voters were retirees from out of state), that is fine with me. Though if he starts campaigning in the north or west where he might take votes from Obama, that will make me more nervous.

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dnA — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 03:34:00 -0000

I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught Taylor Marsh trying to quote page six of the new york post like it was a real source

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plez... — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 02:02:00 -0000

Clinton keeps a well-worn copy of Lee Atwater's playbook in his back pocket for occasions such as this... i suspect this will get nastier as we lead up to Super Tuesday... there are just too many delegates for the Clintonistas to pass on!

and the only two states on February 5th with the numbers of Black voters that even comes close to south carolina are georgia & alabama... i assure you that the Clintons will continue to work their "southern strategy" until they've alienated even the most trustworthy "house negroes" on their payroll (john lewis, andrew young, pastor butts, bob johnson, magic johnson, etc.)!

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Anonymous — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:23:00 -0000

The Clintons' racial strategy will rival those of David Duke and his cronies. Don't let Obama carry away some of the Super Tuesday states, Massa and Missus Clinton will act the fool.

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JenJen — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:16:00 -0000

ROFL nonny mouse! Has anyone checked Taylor Marsh's blood pressure lately?

I was thinking her next entry will be "ZOMG Barack + Michelle walked in to some 2 Live Crew crankin'! Who let the dogs out?" :-)

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Anonymous — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:13:00 -0000

Has anyone actually watched HRC's post-SC event? She goes on for over an hour. It is torture. It is pathetic and sad. And the audience is falling asleep. And I guess Bill went on for 75 minutes wherever he was tonight.

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faboo — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:04:00 -0000

Taylor Marsh...man, that girl just makes stuff up, don't she? I wonder how much the Clinton campaign pays her per story.

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A Nonny Mouse — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:59:00 -0000

I can't wait to see Taylor Marsh say Obama walked into his victory party to the tune of "Smack My B*tch Up." Good times, y'all!

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tryexcellence — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:53:00 -0000

It's called SOUR GRAPES!

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plum — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:38:00 -0000

mj - absolutely right. And the reporter obviously noticed it too, and juxtaposed it well.

I continue to really be amazed at the thought Obama puts into his speeches. One of my fav bits from his victory speech:

"And what we've seen in these last weeks is that we're also up against forces that are not the fault of any one campaign, but feed the habits that prevent us from being who we want to be as a nation."

He's saying that the Clintons are like drug dealers, and the drug is racism. Like any effective dealer, they're not racists (they don't use the drug themselves), but they feed it (by playing the race card and keeping race issues at the forefront).

And need I remind everyone of what Bob Johnson said? Here Obama is taking the drug dealer imagery and skilfully turning it against the Clintons!

I really think this is clever and should be pushed out there.

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Michelle — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:09:00 -0000

What's up with John Edwards? Maybe it's good he is in the race because it he gets some white votes that might have pushed Hillary closer. We will see how that works in other states. He's deluded. He really wants a cabinent position after he sells his soul (oh, I mean delegates) for a position in the administration.

We the people can't let the MSM or the Clintons wield their power around. No more!

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mj — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:05:00 -0000

Q: How low will they go?
A: Much lower than we ever thought. Bill Clinton reaction to Barack's win in S.C.: "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice". I'm also going to post this to the racism tracker wiki.

I got this from Andrew Sullivan's blog:

Bill's Advance Spin

26 Jan 2008 08:44 pm

In a simple phrase: "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice". Listen to it yourself. I'm not making that up.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I don't think there can be any doubt about the Clintons' racial strategy now. The people of South Carolina just rejected that logic by voting for Obama - white and black, male and female - in a diverse coalition in the face of a deliberate attempt at racial polarization. They threw the Clintons' logic back in their faces. Kudos to Josh for noticing this. It's revealing, and depressing.

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