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  BigAssBelle

  1 year ago

  i predict this will not be a popular thread ;-)
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  The Christian Progressive Libe

  1 year ago

  I say we use this to get another progressive into that seat. His district borders Elijah Cummings - surely there's some progressive money-maker that can take on Hoyer and scare Cummings at the same time?
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  Ms.Martin

  1 year ago

  I would have liked to see more about the Hoover story (his power and involvement with presidents), the FBI and the fact that remenants of that time remain in Washington for those who know nothing about it.
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  KarmiCommunist

  1 year ago

  Yes, America should allow groups like the "Black Panther Party and Republic of New Africa", the "Ku Klux Klan and National States' Rights Party", the SDS, the Weathermen, etc. to roam and plan freely.
  
  
  Hey, why not include more rights for Iran, North Korea, Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, Egyptian Islamic Jihad, etc. while we are at it.
  
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  D.

  1 year ago

  Someone clarify: are we really trying to compare someone's attempt to quell dissent (COINTELPRO) with the government's attempt to gather intelligence on those who wish our country's destruction?
  
  
  Life under liberalism is so gonna suck. Wonder how many more of our citizens will have to die before we start taking the threats of terrorism to our country seriously.
  
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  denise

  1 year ago

  Imagine if J.Edgar Hoover had search engine records, email, text messaging technology in his personal blackmail and dissent squashing arsenal.
  
  
  Deep.
  
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  The Christian Progressive Libe

  1 year ago

  Denise, Hoover did enough damage with COINTELPRO and not to mention he had blackmail files on just about every member of both Houses of Congress as well as the Executive and Judiciary branches.
  
  
  The Mob, OTOH, had him dead to rights as an in-the-closet homosexual who blackmailed other closeted homosexuals to gain all the power he had. Any other FBI director wouldn't have been working for a powerless Attorney General because the AG would have had his own file on Hoover and kept his closeted behind in check.
  
  
  
  D., enjoy your life being in Orwell's "1984" when they can actually televise what you do and when you do it, just like Winston Smith got told when to get up and do his morning exercises before going to work.
  
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  D.

  1 year ago

  CPL,
  Big Brother's been watching me forever.
  
  
  
  I have nothing to hide, so I go about life normally.
  
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  BigAssBelle

  1 year ago

  d. . . . your naivete is breathtaking and kind of sweet, even if utterly misguided.
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  Ms.Martin

  1 year ago

  D
  
  
  Obviously, your life is of no signifigance to the government, but imagine if it were; perhaps you desired to effect some positive change or right some monumental wrong - let's say - like ending Jim Crow or maybe force adherence to human rights and someone who had a lot to lose (usually monetarily, but sometimes for ideological reason like sustaining a superior race) and could use the powers that you would grant them all because you believe if you're living right then everyone else must too and wouldn't abuse those powers in any way to hurt any innocent person, would you be okay with that?
  
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  Anonymous

  1 year ago

  d.,
  More Americans have died at the hands of terrorist under your boy Bush than under two years of Bill Clinton. But that's OK, I'm sure President Obama is going to just love the FISA Bill.
  
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  D.

  1 year ago

  Ms. Martin,
  
  
  Of course not.
  
  
  
  But that's not what we're talking about, is it? Or are you suggesting that FISA is being used the same way COINTELPRO was?
  
  
  
  If our country's enemies were somewher where we can point and say, "there they are!" FISA in its current form might not be necessary.
  
  
  
  They're not, so it is.
  
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  D.

  1 year ago

  Anon,
  And Bush did something about it.
  
  
  
  What did Clinton do? Throw missiles into empty caves? Sic law enforcement on an enemy with no discernable territory?
  
  
  
  Only one of those approaches seems to have kept those terrorists on the run. And I'll let history speak for which one.
  
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  heartsandflowers

  1 year ago

  I guess part of the reason I am not as engaged in this is I have always believed the gov't was spying on people because of COINTELPRO and the McCarthy witch hunts and having a father who was a Black Panther and some relatives that work for the Federal Gov't. There have always been inroads for gov't officials to get around things when they want to do something. The difference now is that it's more obvious. I still see it as a natural progression in response to what has been happening in this country the past 30 years. Historically every world power implodes on itself and the time for the USA is coming.
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  Ms.Martin

  1 year ago

  D
  
  
  "But that's not what we're talking about, is it? "
  
  
  
  That's exactly what we're talking. We are talking about you saying that you have nothing to hide and me trying to explain to you how FISA can be used against you in spite of the fact that you have nothing to hide.
  
  
  
  It could be used in that way and for that reason, it is unacceptable.
  
  
  
  Try to stay with me.
  
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  D.

  1 year ago

  Ms. Martin,
  But yet no one can show evidence that FISA is being used in that manner.
  
  
  
  When I see that, I'll cry foul.
  
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  Anonymous

  1 year ago

  You folks trying to have this debate with D are delightfully optimistic. D, like most people in this country do not understand the reason why the constitution was created nor the concept of checks and balances. I do not really blame D or people like him. I blame the educational system. I blame a society that seems to take so much for granted. I blame the corruption of our political leaders who have sold us out for pennies on the dollars. Remember, the Roman empire fell because of corruption within, not because of the "barbarians" without.
  
  
  Junglecat,
  
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  BigAssBelle

  1 year ago

  junglecat, you're correct. D is being deliberately obtuse, likely a bored government employee feeding at the public trough, while decrying liberal political values.
  
  
  that last comment does it for me: "when you show me some evidence . . . "
  
  
  
  so utterly absurd and, as i said, deliberately obtuse. that is what the whole fucking fight is about. they will NEVER have to show evidence if this bill passes. that is the point.
  
  
  
  goodbye y'all. it's been real. take care of yourselves.
  
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  D.

  1 year ago

  So when there's no more real points to be made, we question my education, employer, and suggest that I take my freedom for granted.
  
  
  Belle, stay. I'll concede the point.
  
  
  
  Yes, FISA could be used to monitor the communications of ordinary citizens. Because the FISA court's proceedings are held in secret, we will never know if that's how it was used or not.
  
  
  
  You all are well within your rights to be upset.
  
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  1 year ago

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