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Friday Open Thread- Happy 4th of July!

Started by baratunde aka jack turner · 1 year ago

American Gothic by Gordon Parks

Good Morning!

Well, enjoy this day, whatever it means to you and your family. At the core, it’s about spending time with family.

So, in between the BBQ, Spades, Trash Talking and Bid Whist, stop by here at JJP and give us some links, have a little debate, though I believe you’ll [...]SHARETHIS.addEntry({ ... Continue reading »

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  • Just finished the hot dogs, preparing the hamburgers. Whoever invented the Charcoal Chimney should get a kiss everytime you fire up the grill.
  • Bid Whist, Pinochle, Spades, spareribs, burgers, macaroni and cheese, potato salad, collards, cheesecake, fruit salad, bonfires and mosquitoes.

    Enjoy, y'all.
  • Have a safe and happy 4th of July and I leave you with this from Fredrick Douglas
    Fellow citizens, pardon me, allow me to ask, why am I called upon to speak here today? What have I, or those I represent, to do with your national independence? Are the great principles of political freedom and of natural justice, embodied in that Declaration of Independence, extended to us? and am I, therefore, called upon to bring our humble offering to the national altar, and to confess the benefits and express devout gratitude for the blessings resulting from your independence to us?

    Would to God, both for your sakes and ours, that an affirmative answer could be truthfully returned to these questions! Then would my task be light, and my burden easy and delightful. For who is there so cold that a nation's sympathy could not warm him? Who so obdurate and dead to the claims of gratitude that would not thankfully acknowledge such priceless benefits? Who so stolid and selfish that would not give his voice to swell the hallelujahs of a nation's jubilee, when the chains of servitude had been torn from his limbs? I am not that man. In a case like that the dumb might eloquently speak and the "lame man leap as an hart."

    But such is not the state of the case. I say it with a sad sense of the disparity between us. am not included within the pale of this glorious anniversary! Your high independence only reveals the immeasurable distance between us. The blessings in which you, this day, rejoice are not enjoyed in common. The rich inheritance of justice, liberty, prosperity, and independence bequeathed by your fathers is shared by you, not by me. The sunlight that brought light and healing to you has brought stripes and death to me. This Fourth of July is yours, not mine. You may rejoice, I must mourn. To drag a man in fetters into the grand illuminated temple of liberty, and call upon him to join you in joyous anthems, were inhuman mockery and sacrilegious irony. Do you mean, citizens, to mock me by asking me to speak today? If so, there is a parallel to your conduct. And let me warn that it is dangerous to copy the example of nation whose crimes, towering up to heaven, were thrown down by the breath of the Almighty, burying that nation in irrevocable ruin! I can today take up the plaintive lament of a peeled and woe-smitten people.

    "By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down. Yea! We wept when we remembered Zion. We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof. For there, they that carried us away captive, required of us a song; and they who wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion. How can we sing the Lord's song in a strange land? If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning. If do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth."

    Fellow citizens, above your national, tumultuous joy, I hear the mournful wail of millions! Whose chains, heavy and grievous yesterday, are, today, rendered more intolerable by the jubilee shouts that reach them. If I do forget, if I do not faithfully remember those bleeding children of sorry this day, "may my right hand cleave to the roof of my mouth"! To forget them, to pass lightly over their wrongs, and to chime in with the popular theme would be treason most scandalous and shocking, and would make me a reproach before God and the world. My subject, then, fellow citizens, is American slavery. I shall see this day and its popular characteristics from the slave's point of view. Standing there identified with the American bondman, making his wrongs mine. I do not hesitate to declare with all my soul that the character and conduct of this nation never looked blacker to me than on this Fourth of July! Whether we turn to the declarations of the past or to the professions of the present, the conduct of the nation seems equally hideous and revolting. America is false to the past, false to the present, and solemnly binds herself to be false to the future. Standing with God and the crushed and bleeding slave on this occasion, I will, in the name of humanity which is outraged, in the name of liberty which is fettered, in the name of the Constitution and the Bible which are disregarded and trampled upon, dare to call in question and to denounce, with all the emphasis I can command, everything that serves to perpetuate slavery-the great sin and shame of America! "I will not equivocate, I will not excuse"; I will use the severest language I can command; and yet not one word shall escape me that any man, whose judgment is not blinded by prejudice, shall not confess to be right and just....

    For the present, it is enough to affirm the equal manhood of the Negro race. Is it not as astonishing that, while we are plowing, planting, and reaping, using all kinds of mechanical tools, erecting houses, constructing bridges, building ships, working in metals of brass, iron, copper, and secretaries, having among us lawyers doctors, ministers, poets, authors, editors, orators, and teachers; and that, while we are engaged in all manner of enterprises common to other men, digging gold in California, capturing the whale in the Pacific, feeding sheep and cattle on the hillside, living, moving, acting, thinking, planning, living in families as husbands, wives, and children, and above all, confessing and worshiping the Christian's God, and looking hopefully for life and immortality beyond the grave, we are called upon to prove that we are men!...

    What, am I to argue that it is wrong to make men brutes, to rob them of their liberty, to work them without wages, to keep them ignorant of their relations to their fellow men, to beat them with sticks, to flay their flesh with the lash, to load their limbs with irons, to hunt them with dogs, to sell them at auction, to sunder their families, to knock out their teeth, to burn their flesh, to starve them into obedience and submission to their masters? Must I argue that a system thus marked with blood, and stained with pollution, is wrong? No! I will not. I have better employment for my time and strength than such arguments would imply....

    What, to the American slave, is your Fourth of July? I answer: a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciation of tyrants, brass-fronted impudence; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are, to Him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy-a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation of savages. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of the United States at this very hour.

    Go where you may, search where you will, roam through all the monarchies and despotisms- of the Old World, travel through South America, search out every abuse, and when you have found the last, lay your facts by the side of the everyday practices of this nation, and you will say with me that, for revolting barbarity and shameless hypocrisy, America reigns without a rival
  • How approrpriate.
  • I am about to get off this internet, light my first cigar of the day, and do some leisurely yard work (unlike my real job, I can suck on a cold one when I need a break) while my honey-basted baby back ribs slow roast for the next four or five hours.

    There is NOTHING like a holiday backed up by a weekend.

    Brother got so much free time he almost feels rich.

    My Fourth of July two cents - Where Is A Flag Pin When You Need One? - grew out of wanting to avoid posting a flag picture, and ended up teaching me something I didn't know in the process.

    Enjoy yourselves today!!!! LIFE IS TOO DAMN SHORT to do otherwise!!!!
  • Jesse Helms died. Hmm.
  • What a shame...he will not live to see Barack Obama carry his state (North Carolina) this fall. Guess he'll be watching from one of two places.
  • Independence day.
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  • LoL...looks like Baratunde turned his auto-reply/response on...we'll be seeing this all weekend if he doesn't turn it off.
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  • Again: LOL!

    So far this continues to be really funny to me.
  • I have to remember that somebody loved him too, but I'll never believe that he and Mama went to the same place.
  • I was just about to mention that. And at times like this, I always quote the great Mom Mabley:

    Yikes! I forgot the quote: "They say you shouldn't say nothin' about the dead unless it's good. He's dead. Good!"
  • For those who are interested, here is Al Giordano's take on the 'Colombian Rescue' over at The Field:

    http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/so-th...
  • I knew it! I just knew the whole "rescue" was a sham!
  • RALEIGH, N.C. -- Former Sen. Jesse Helms, who served 30 years in Congress, died on the Fourth of July, the Jesse Helms research center said. He was 86.

    The center, based at Wingate University in North Carolina, said Friday that he died at 1:15 a.m.

    Jimmy Broughton, Helms' former chief of staff, said the former senator died of natural causes in Raleigh.

    Helms built a career along the fault lines of racial politics and battled liberals, Communists and the occasional fellow Republican during his decades in Congress. He was slowed in later age by a variety of illnesses, including a bone disorder, prostate cancer and heart problems.

    Good!
  • I didn't always agree with Sen. Helms politics, but to describe someone's death as "good" is completely offensive.

    Rest in peace, Senator. Politics aside, this nation is lesser without you.
  • Like I said, Good! The world is a better place without that racist. D, I know you're white now.
  • Like I said Good. The world is better off without that racist in it. D, I'm convinced you're white now.
  • Would you want the same said about you when you die?

    Disagree with the man all you want, but damn, show some respect in death.
  • I try to live my life without affecting others lives in a negative way to ensure these types of things aren't said about me. Helms was proud of who he was.

    I don't respect him, not even in death.
  • Fair enough. Some things just aren't worth arguing about.

    I hope that nothing like that is ever said about you, even by your detractors.
  • Jesse Helms was a supremacist, racist and homophobe and proud of it. He once sang Dixie to Carol Moseley Braun in a Senate elevator and told Hatch that he would sang it until she cried.

    What is there to respect about a devil like that singing a song about how good times were when slavery existed? And that was I believe in the early 90s - talk about a die-hard racist! Well he's finally dead - Good!!!!
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  • I would like to sincerely congratulate Ms. Martin and D for having this argument/conversation despite the persistent input of Jack's machine!

    (okay I'll stop with my amusement. It's just for some reason so funny to me, this is my third comment to that effect so now will STFU about it )

    :)
  • I'll show Jesse Helms in death the same amount of respect that he showed to black people in life.














    Hmm.
  • If you say so.
  • Happy Fourth of Jully, all. Please take a minute to reflect on the real reason for this holiday: the union of 13 colonies into the strong, united nation we live in today.

    May God continue to bless our country, and those abroad and at home who have pledged their "lives, fortunes, and sacred honor" to defend our freedom from those who wish us ill.
  • from www.newser.com

    "Obama and family spend 4th of July in Montana, also celebrates daughter's 10th birthday

    Associated Press | 1 hour, 54 minutes ago in Politics


    Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama celebrated the Fourth of July with his family in Montana.
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    Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama, second from right, and his wife Michelle, left, watch a Fourth of July parade with their two daughters, Malia, right, and Sasha in Butte, Mont., Friday,... (Associated Press)

    Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama, right, and his wife Michelle, center, arrive with their two daughters, Malia, left, and Sasha to watch a Fourth of July parade in Butte, Mont., Friday,... (Associated Press)

    Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama and his wife Michelle, left, watch a Fourth of July parade with their two daughters, Malia, right, and Sasha, in Butte, Mont., Friday, July 4, 2008.... (Associated Press)

    Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama hugs his daughter Malia as they watch a Fourth of July parade in Butte, Mont., Friday, July 4, 2008. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong) (Associated Press) prev next 1 of 4play


    Cheers greeted Obama, his wife, Michelle, and their two daughters as they arrived to watch the town parade. The crowd also broke into song, singing a rendition of "Happy Birthday" for Obama's oldest daughter, Malia, who turned 10 on Friday.

    Obama joked that he told the birthday girl not to get caught up in all the fuss.

    "All the fireworks and stuff are not just for her," he said to laughs.

    After the parade, the Obamas were hosting a "family picnic" for hundreds of people _ part campaign rally, part birthday party for Malia..............
  • some lovely family pix at this dailykos diary:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/4/16157/95...
  • Thanks!
  • I loved seeing Malia in cornrows---such a beautiful little girl, like her mommy and her sister. Just normal kids, a normal family. A lovely thing in this day and age. I know Barack isn't perfect, but he is waaaaaaaaaaay ahead of anyone else.

    Four months til the election!
  • Yes indeed!
  • Seems to be a glitch in the comments section.

    Hi rikyrah, I hope you're finding some comfort and peace with family and friends today.

    And a huge Happy Birthday! to Malia Obama.
  • Obama moving to the RIGHT!!! I LOVE IT!!! THROWING YOU LIBERALS UNDER THE BUS BY THE DAY!!!! I LOVE IT!!! Change you can believe in MY ASS!!! I love his new found pragmatism and cynicism!!! I can't wait until he comes back from Iraq and tells you people that things have changed and we're not pulling out in 16 months!!! OH YEAH!! THAT IS GONNA BE HILARIOUS!! All you Obama d#$ck riders at Jack and Jill Politics have a happy 4th of July. Now your freakin' hero is showing you that he's nothing but BILL CLINTON WITH A TAN MINUS THE SEX SCANDALS!!! Barack Obama as a president would be more conservative than any Democrat in modern history!! And YES he will throw negroes under the bus at his EARLIEST CONVENIENCE!!!!

    Funny!!
    Chump Change you can believe in!!!! HA HA HA!!! Another High yellow Ivy league triangulating DLC type Negro!! I told y'all they were all the same!!! Yeah Rikyrah...DEFEND YA BOY NOW!!!
  • Wow y'all, OBAMA MAY ACCEPT NOMINATION AT MILE HIGH STADIUM.

    Mile High can hold 75,000 vs. Pepsi Center's 21,000.

    That's pure HOTness Folks...He's bringing it back to the People. That's how a Brotha will do it...He will do it Big!

    Can I get a ticket? Can a brotha get a ticket?
  • Webb, that would be so...so...unreal.....I love the concept.
  • non dellusional comes across as one of those who are jealous of Obama and wants him to lose.

    non dellusinal is very delussional
  • Hey I'm a conservative independant. I have no problem with Obama's shift to the right. In fact, I embrace it. I just love to see all the Kool Aid drinkers who bought all this Bullshyt about this negro bringing new politics seeing the light. He is a DLC corporatist type just like Corey Booker, Harold Ford, Jr., and Adrienne Fenty. All these Ivy League negroes are cut from the same cloth. You never heard the old saying, "Harvard has ruined more Negroes than bad wiskey."

    Maybe because Baratunde comes from that jackshyt institution its hard for him to realize exactly what Obama is. But I've always known. All I wanted him to do was be honest. Now that he is doing so, I'm happy. He's go my support. Maybe the rest of you negroes will stop thinking this fool walks on water. And please stop with the ebony magazine Obama pics on this blog. Can we get at least some decent critique of this guy. Black Agenda Report has put y'all to shame and has been right on the money about Obama all the time.

    Is our righteous Black anger worth being tempered in order to get this corporatist mulatto into the white house? Ask yourself that question. I know most black folk have not.
  • "I'll show Jesse Helms in death the same amount of respect that he showed to black people in life."

    -Maybe some black hands will give him a note that says, "You're going to HELL"
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