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It's smart.
She can't win even with the delegates from FL and Michigan.
But, the devil's in the details, my friend. Floating that out there, makes those fake ass protests, like she arranged this week, look even more assinine.
CPL,
I'm feeling you. If it was left to me....girl, I have all sorts of revenge fantasies ready for this group.
And, if we were being honest, we'd know, if the situations were reversed, people would be telling FL and MI to go #*$& themselves...such is life..LOL
I do believe the Obama campaign is giving her the rope with which to hang herself finally.
FINALLY.
It's taken awhile to get the rope in her hands,but I believe it's FINALLY THERE.
At the very least, it will STFU her flunkies who have been trying this lame ass argument. If this is on record, then that takes that away from them.
If Mrs. Nixon has a soul, she will listen to her daughter.
I agree, if he negotiates there is nothing else for her to charge on with.
There will be no other talking points for the Clinton campaign and it says he is the more grown up of the two.
It also stops the march to the convention.
DO NOT GIVE HER ONE INCH! Because if the situation was reversed we would not even be having this conversation and Obama would have been forced out 2 months ago. There's only so much room for 'reconciliation' here. Clinton's wins in NH, NM and IN are questionable at best since we're talking about 2% or less.
I could care less about what it means or doesn't mean to Hillary. She loses regardless. And I agree with Obama that running a campaign that merely reacts to her, rather than acts for all of us, diminishes him and us together.
What this move does do is add instant clarity to both the political math and the muddled perception that Clinton has any chance -- she doesn't and that would be obvious if her best-case scenario came true and she was still 100+ delegates behind.
More importantly it will give the SDs all the reason in the world to get off the sidelines and cast a damn vote.
1) takes the "depriving voters of having a chance to vote" off the table; and
2) can't hurt, nor change the outcome....
All super delegates are wild cards - remove that part of the equation, and it is simple math --the election is over, even WITH Florida and Michigan counting.. FINALLY!
And yea, Obama would be crazy to give the Clintons an inch. Somebody needs to remind his campaign about what happened to the frog who gave the scorpion a ride on his back.
Give it to her, take the high road (per usual,) and tell her to kiss ur beige ass when u win anyway.
And, NO PUTTING HER ON THE DAMNED TICKET.
I was watching MSNBC last night and apparently that's the new meme that the pundits are trying to push. I'm assuming BO has way more sense than to do that, but I still hope his people will remind him it would be a huge mistake to put Vampira on the ticket.
Love all the Clay Davis references. He was brilliant in spite of being such a smarmy bastard.
On the one hand, Barack calls her bluff and "offers" her a portion of the FL and MI delegates. He appears to be the bigger man; the better man. And by doing so, he offers evidence that she has no legitimate chance at catching him in delegates.
On the other hand, she would spin Barack's offer as a victory for her. She'd spin it as Barack yielding to the pressure of the voters to do what's right. And, worse, she'd use it as one more argument for the superdelegates: had those states been counted as they should have, the momentum and tone of the campaign would have been different.
I don't know ...
HBO runs commercial clips with him saying "sheeeit", and that's what triggered it. LOL
But all of you make good points, and although I'm not warm on Obama, the thought of the Borg Queen being hoisted on her own petard gives me goose pimples in a good way. She deserves nothing for Staying with Wild Bill, especially not the Presidency.
And whomever is suggesting she "deserves" a place on Obama's ticket should probably ask Michelle about that. I agree with Chris Rock - now you're going to insult the brotha by telling him to put her on the ticket, when he's already beaten her decisively.
Only the white Media would continue to insult African-Americans in this manner. When in the hell will we ever catch a break?
I think that quote got lifted when Obama actually saw how his Campaign manager was shooting off at the mouth, and as some have said, giving away his strategy before he could unload it on her before Denver.
Harold Ford Says Obama Should Consider a Obama/Clinton Ticket
He still blames Obama for not helping him win that Senate seat in Tennessee, even though Obama campaigned for his ungrateful arse.
And he only left Fox because he knows he won't have an entree into the inner circle that knowing Obama will provide.
Obama/Webb much more appealing. If he tools up with her or Rendell, Forget it. I will vote republican.