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Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

rikyrah — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:05:00 -0000

craig,

I've been thinking about all those folks who bought that expensive coastal land in Florida....

Are they willing to risk their pristine beaches and housing values depending upon the honesty of the oil companies to keep it safe and clean?

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Craig Hickman — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:39:00 -0000

When did McCain "get religion" on off-shore drilling? And does he honestly believe this is a winning issue for him in places like, say, Florida, California, New Jersey, Oregon, and Washington?

Or am I unaware of his prescient plan to win 270 electoral votes without Florida on his balance sheet?

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

D. — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:27:00 -0000

Wrong, Ronnie.

Better we argue on the issues instead of the spouses.

However, it doesn't look like that's gonna happen.

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Sandra77 — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:35:00 -0000

Anonymous who doesn't have the courage to use a name: at least get your facts straight - Michelle said Barack Obama was her "babies' daddy". You can't even get that straight. F'ing laughable republican.

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

The Christian Progressive Libe — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:07:00 -0000

If that smarmy bastard did his homework, he would know that both Maxine Waters and Cynthia McKinney's sons are productive members of society, college grads and holding down gainful employment.

He sees one Black Woman crying about her son getting shot in a drive-by and assumes all Black Women with sons are in the same predicament.

What's troubling is that the NAACP is dead SILENT about these attacks, especially since I wrote about how useless they are, and Julian Bond took exception to it.

Here's another opportunity for the NAACP to call out Fox News and they're too busy attacking Black Bloggers to pay attention when Black Women of high esteem and respect are being labeled as "Angry Black Women" without challenging them on the context of the label.

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Ronnie B — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:22:00 -0000

Better dead white people in the White House, than live Black people ...

right, D?

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Town — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:20:00 -0000

Yeah?
How about a presidential candidate who's a "baby daddy"?

Michelle's own words.

Oh, sorry. Probably more play-to-the-base material, suitable during the primary, that's now been declared "off limits" for the general. All as the libs fret and fart over an identical CNN caption being - drum roll - "racist".

F'ing laughable.

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Apples and oranges.

Michelle can do that to her own husband.

Fox News cannot do that to Michelle Obama. Period.

But, if it's ok to label Michelle Obama a "baby mama" because she called her own husband her "baby's daddy," then it's ok to call Cindy McCain a cunt. Hey, John called her a cunt so it's ok, right?

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

TruthSeeker — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:16:00 -0000

..and Cindy, who knows what it's like to be in a tough spot, was so eager to vilify Michelle for her innocent "proud America" statement. Cindy looks like a woman just going through the motions, doing what is expected of an heiress. Except when it comes to narcotics and recipes.

That day on the stump, She seemed to ask McCain if she should say it now, and he gave her the signal to speak, which she did, insisting she was proud of her country.

This is what's unsettling about Cindy, there is no sign of life with her. A lack of empathy for Michelle, the rival. Empathy, that even Laura Bush could find in her heart.

And John McCain, who flirts with death...glorifying war...recklessly crashing many of the planes he flew.

Do you guys really want the dead and the dying back in the White House?

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Anonymous — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:53:00 -0000

"When a presidential candidate and his baby mama come along, then I'll say you have a point."
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Yeah?

How about a presidential candidate who's a "baby daddy"?

Michelle's own words.

Oh, sorry. Probably more play-to-the-base material, suitable during the primary, that's now been declared "off limits" for the general. All as the libs fret and fart over an identical CNN caption being - drum roll - "racist".

F'ing laughable.

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Ronnie B — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:33:00 -0000

Meanwhile, the media continues to critique Barack Obama for not reaching out more to Angry White Women.

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Admiral Komack — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:28:00 -0000

In 1988, inspired by a vacation visit to substandard medical facilities on Truk Lagoon,[11] Cindy McCain founded the American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT).[1] It was a non-profit organization that organized trips for doctors, nurses, and other medical personnel to provide MASH-like emergency medical care to disaster-struck or war-torn third-world areas such as Micronesia, Vietnam (before relations were normalized between them and the U.S.[11]), Kuwait (arriving five days after the conclusion of the Gulf War[11]), Iraq, Nicaragua, India, Bangladesh and El Salvador.[7][26][27][28][29] She led 55 of these missions over the next seven years,[10] with each being of at least two weeks' duration.[29] AVMT also supplied treatment to poor sick children around the world.[30]

While at Mother Teresa's orphanage in Dhaka, Bangladesh, in 1991 — as part of AVMT's assistance team following the 1991 Bangladesh cyclone[27] — she met two infant girls she decided needed to be brought to the United States for medical treatment.[16] She decided to adopt one of the girls (her husband readily agreeing), later named Bridget[7] (who became the McCains' fourth child together), and helped coordinate the adoption of the other little girl, named Mickey, for Wes Gullett, a family friend.[7] In 1993, Cindy McCain and the AVMT were honored with an award from Food for the Hungry.[7]

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Admiral Komack — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:23:00 -0000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_Hensley
<... 1989, Cindy McCain became addicted to opioid painkillers such as Percocet and Vicodin,[31] which she initially took to alleviate pain following two spinal surgeries for ruptured discs[32][33] and to ease emotional stress during the Keating Five scandal,[31] which involved her as a bookkeeper who had difficulty finding receipts.[14] The addiction progressed to where she resorted to stealing drugs from her own AVMT.[32] During 1992, Tom Gosinski, the director of government and international affairs for AVMT, discovered her drug theft.[34] Subsequently in 1992, her parents staged an intervention to force her to get help;[14] she told her husband about her problem, attended a drug treatment facility, began outpatient sessions, and ended her three years of active addiction.[31] A hysterectomy in 1993 resolved her back pain.[31][33]"

"In January 1993, McCain terminated Gosinski's employment on grounds of budgetary reasons.[34] In spring 1993, Gosinski tipped off the Drug Enforcement Administration to investigate McCain's drug theft,[34] and a federal investigation ensued. McCain's defense team, led by Washington lawyer John Dowd,[34] secured an agreement with the U.S. Attorney's office that limited her punishment to financial restitution and enrollment in a diversion program, [7][34] without any public disclosure."

"Meanwhile, in early 1994 Gosinski filed a wrongful termination lawsuit against McCain, which he told her he would settle for $250,000.[34] In April 1994, Dowd requested that Maricopa County officials investigate Gosinski for extortion.[34] The Phoenix New Times was about to publish a negatively-cast article about the whole affair.[34][31] Cindy McCain pre-empted this[31] by publicly revealing her past addiction, stating she hoped it would give fellow drug addicts courage in their struggles: "Although my conduct did not result in compromising any missions of AVMT, my actions were wrong, and I regret them."[7] A flurry of press attention followed, including charges by Gosinski that she had asked him to lie concerning her drug use when the McCains were applying to adopt their baby from Bangladesh[31] and statements by past AVMT employees that Gosinski had once threatened to blackmail her. The Arizona Republic published an editorial cartoon ridiculing the motivations for her AVMT work[35] and an award dinner in her honor was canceled citing poor ticket sales.[7] In the end, both Gosinski's lawsuit and the extortion investigation against him were dropped.[31]"

"AVMT concluded its activities in 1995.[26] That year, McCain founded a new organization, the Hensley Family Foundation, which donates monies towards children's programs in Arizona and nationally,[7] and she was largely a stay-at-home mom during the balance of the 1990s.[14] She also held positions as vice president, director, and vice chair of Hensley & Co.[23][22]"

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Brotha Sundiata — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:17:00 -0000

Black Orchid in the White House Garden
Assailing Michelle Obama by T. S. Aschenge

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Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Town — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:42:00 -0000

and we're supposed to embrace a Baby Mama Version 2.0 that's more appealing to independents and less angry than Miss "America is Mean / Never Been Proud".

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When a presidential candidate and his baby mama come along, then I'll say you have a point. But neither Michelle Obama nor Cindy McCain are "baby mamas", therefore your point is invalid, null and void.

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Town — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:38:00 -0000

Many people hate Michelle Obama because she is not a subservient, grinning, simple minded mammy. Period.

There's basically 3 ways to be a black women in this society:

You can be a sexpot (Beyonce, Rihanna, Halle, etc);

You can be a Mammy (Oprah);

or you can be an angry black bitch (Michelle Obama).

There are two ways to be the "angry black bitch:"

You can be the ghetto black bitch

You can be the uppity black bitch.

Michelle Obama is the "angry uppity black bitch." And 99% of the time if you're a college educated, demure black woman who isn't shuffling and grinning all the time, you will be described as an angry black bitch, too.

From my own personal experiences, I have had the most troubles dealing with white women who are the "Roseanne" types. I notice those are the ones who are the most hateful towards Michelle Obama.

I also think they are going after Michelle because she is Barack's Achilles' heel. Attack her savagely, make Barack loose his cool and reveal him to be the Angry Black Bogeyman they all know him to be. SMH.

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Admiral Komack — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:32:00 -0000

"Tough shit. If Michelle is going to run around the country campaigning for hubby for months on end, her words are fair game. Period."

-And talking about Cindy McCain as a pill-popping, thieving junkie (not to mention that her husband called her a "trollop" and a "cunt"-oops, I did mention it) is also fair game, wouldn't you agree?

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Jonzee — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:14:00 -0000

My point was, only, that many MSM visuals work to portray black women as "angry." I did not say it was right, nor do I think it is. My comment was purely about the pictoral display. The soundbites, the pictures in the paper often seem to portray many strong sisters as scowling. While we may not see it that way, the purportment of the visual stereotype plays into the psyche of many "uncolored" folks.

I will say that the media has tried on a number of occasions to portray Donna Brazille as angry...the image is perpetuated often. And of course it is perpetuated to scare folks.

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Anonymous — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:11:00 -0000

Tough shit. If Michelle is going to run around the country campaigning for hubby for months on end, her words are fair game. Period. And she said a lot of vile crap playing to the professional victim base of the Dem party when she was working to get Barack the nomination.

Now that the primary is over, oh - we're being told that criticism of her and what she said earlier is "unfair - off limits" - and we're supposed to embrace a Baby Mama Version 2.0 that's more appealing to independents and less angry than Miss "America is Mean / Never Been Proud".

LOL. Good luck with that. Video - readily available on youtube - of spouses shooting their mouths off are a bitch, aren't they? :-)

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Admiral Komack — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:10:00 -0000

...and what about Bill O'Reilly...

"We'll do it live!"

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Ronnie B — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:08:00 -0000

And Craig,

Beyond all the stellar examples of Black women who destroy that stereotype, I still have to marvel at how one can *accept* that stereotype in any way.

It's an insult to my mother; my grandmother; my sister; your mother; your grandmother, etc., etc.

D,

I find it appauling that you can accept a racial stereotype of Black people, simply because it serves your political point of view.

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

TruthSeeker — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:00:00 -0000

"If black women weren't angry before, they will be after seeing this along with black men and anyone with common sense.

And then they'll say.."See, they are angry!"

How about that Heidi on CNN, she looks pretty pissed to me. What the hell's her problem?

What about Katie Couric with that constant smile/scowl? And that snarky expression in tough interviews.

Lou Dobbs looks like he's about to explode in rage any second..why's he always bullying his guests? Is he pissed off his wife got caught in airport security with a loaded gun? Why's he always picking on Mexicans? Mellow out Lou!

What about poker faced Wolf? He's going to go postal any day now.

Jack Cafferty's rants have me shaking in my shoes every day.

Angry white people are expressing the normal range of emotion. Angry black people are pathological and need to be psychoanalyzed by pundit...and approached with caution.

There's a stunning insensitivity to Mothers whose children have been murdered...by drive-by. Can you imagine him saying the same about Mothers who'd lost their kids to drunk drivers or serial killers?

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Craig Hickman — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:49:00 -0000

Gwen Ifill isn't portrayed as an angry Black woman when she appears on Meet the Press.

One would think these "journalists" would have at least referenced her, given the wall-to-wall Russert coverage.

Michelle Bernard isn't portrayed as an angry Black woman but maybe they don't watch MSNBC so they don't know who she is.

Donna Brazille isn't portrayed as an angry Black woman. Surely they know who she is.

How about that Raheema Ellis?

I could go on, but you get my point.

Thomas was talking outta his ass.

He was not right.

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Jonzee — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:25:00 -0000

Well, to defend Mr. Thomas (Hold your rotten tomatos until I am finished please), I watched the thing and what I took from it was that he was saying there are no images via the media that do not show us angry black women. He is right about that. Other than Oprah, every time you see a black woman on the news, or in some political light, the image is of black woman "to fit to be tied".

Everytime they show Congresswoman Waters, she is waiving a piece of paper in one hand and powerfully making a point. Is she always angry? No. But the visuals always make it seem so.

He is right about that.

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Craig Hickman — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:04:00 -0000

I respect d., but on this, he's simply not worth responding to.

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I actually think they other side is severely overplaying its hand.

There are plenty non-Black women who will watch this and also be outraged, I have no doubt.

That last thing McCain supporters can afford is to have women rally around Barack. Bush won women by 4 points against Kerry and still almost lost Ohio and the election. Imagine the landslide potentional if Barack holds on to his 13-19 leads. Hillary's campaign mobilized women across all ages, but especially older women. All of those women will not vote for McCain nor will they stay home.

Cynthia McKinney will be too unknown and Bob Barr and Ralph Nader won't inspire them in any impactful way.

They will vote for Barack.

The most recent polls show Barack is leading McCain in FLORIDA, Michigan, OHIO, and Pennsylvania by statistically significant margins. (The lead in Pennsylvania is 12 points.) He's tied in North Carolina and Virginia and barely ahead in Missouri. He's cut his deficit in Kentucky from 36 points to TWELVE. Kentucky. He's within striking distance if ARKANSAS, and Arizona isn't exactly looking like a lock for McCain.

Polls don't mean much this far out from November, except that they alert campaigns to trends in public opinion.

When Barack trends ahead of McCain, his opponents panic.

No, we haven't seen anything yet, but I'm going to remain hopeful that all of the other-side nonsense will backfire.

And I mean all of it.

Re: Group Of White Folks On Fox Define Michelle As "Angry Black Woman?"

Nquest — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:03:00 -0000

I need to put together a YouTube contrasting the coverage of Angry White Women and this bit on Angry Black Women.

I'd do that then Foxworthy it and say, "if you legitimate the anger of one group while viewing the anger of the other in negative terms, you might be a racist."

I mean, the sh*t is so blatant. So blatant Barack himself was privileging Whites, coloring White anger in more favorable terms, while casting Black anger is some type of pathology.

Internalized racism is a mf!