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I'd be more worried about Obama's poor performance at a press conference last night re: the NAFTA controversy and Rezko.
Crying wolf?...soon no one will listen.
You can't be that naive. Advertising is subliminal. It is not what people will notice consciously...it is what people who are latently uncomfortable with race will subconsciously respond to.
...as is the assertion that Obama supporters are "delusional", crazy, paranoid etc.
Even if she wins she will lose. If she claws her way to the White House, it will end in disaster and disgrace for her and she will carry America down with her as it is characteristic of her to do. If McCain wins, there almost surely will be continued war and a draft...America still loses.
Her new enemy is America, she hates it for rejecting her sordid aspirations.
A smiling guy walking toward you with a noose isn't a "big deal" ...
even with the noose is slipped comfortably around your neck.
These are the people you should be afraid of...your fellow Americans who don't want you to know the truth. They lie, twist the truth, create division between racial groups, use fear and subliminal messaging to control your choices. This is the true terrorism and it's done by your countrymen. It's not the Communists or militant Muslims doing this..it's Americans doing this to Americans.
These enemies of America do not appeal to the best within you, they appeal to your worst fears and prejudices. If they are allowed to continue unchecked, they will destroy America.
...and they're the remaining 10%. My personal is that this does border on paranoia.
(and this may get me in trouble, but....)Hell, it's not like they darkened the photo to make him extremely dark. Your average individual is not going to notice the difference when this shows up on TV.
This woman is destructive, self destructive, enabling, damaging, and quite possibly, insane. If the passive Democrats do not act decisively to deal with her, there will be hell to pay.
I already explained it's not what you notice consciously. The will not notice consciously unless they have the original footage side by side. What may happen, is that people who have racist tendencies MAY find themselves increasingly uncomfortable with Obama.
The dimwitted Clinton camp is using everything it can think of to disparage him.
Anonymous makes a point above that I'm sure will soon get dropped from this discussion: at what point does the constant "crying foul" become detrimental? When does making noise over every percieved slight start putting people off?
My personal: if you really want to squash stuff like this, don't dignify it with a response. Some things you just laugh at and move on from.
I think Obama's taken some hits recently, I'd be surprised if he pulls through and I say that as a BHO supporter. I think for a lot of people they're done playing fair (giving the black guy a chance), and they want to get down to business. I mean, as much as people hate Hillary Clinton, I'm seeing that at least a quarter of that hatred manifests in their hatred of Obama, especially the willingness to believe just about anything negative about him.
Did you guys see this? People are reading this before they go to the polls this morning and the guy is accused of being *gasp* a politician http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/bar.... It's enough to make you forget that Hillary Clinton probably should have been charged with perjury.
I wonder what we will do once we realize we have no party.
Who is crying foul? The Obama campaign is not whining. It is Hillary herself who constantly complains...her people complain too. Has that put people off? I would say yes, it has.
If anything, it throws Obama under the bus for the general election. Whether or not it affects in him the primaries....we'll see, but my personal is that more minds are made up than not, as far as tonight goes.
now. but i am more disturbed by this nafta crap.
Did I miss that somewhere?
I will vote for him if he is the nominee. But this is what has bothered me about him from the beginning: he comes in talking conciliation and working across the aisles and all of that mess, which naturally means sucking up to the big business interests of the republican party. That's what they're about, if he's working WITH them, he's working FOR their corporate puppetmasters. So he's telling the American people that he's going to revisit NAFTA and telling Canada that that promise is just political posturing?
Fuck that.
I must say, though, that the entire situation and the way the Clinton campaign has capitalized on it by repeating a lie that isn't true and the way that Obama has responded to it will cost him Ohio for sure, if not Texas. He was riding his momentum and then his economic adviser did something really stupid that the Canadian government, for its own self-serving reasons, leaked falsely to the media.
That's the momentum stopper. How he and his campaign respond moving forward will tell the tale of how Obama can handle being attacked with lies and whether or not he can hold serve till Clinton does something stupid again.
I'm also writing with Wonderful News!
Today on MSNBC, Tom Brokaw said that 50 extra superdelegates are ready to declare for Barack!!!
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html
This thing IS going to end. Barack WILL be the nominee. The Democratic Party is NOT going to let that woman steal the nomination.
Please call all your friends in primary states & get them fired up & ready to go!
CeCe
The article seems very National Enquirer, but what I don't know about Texas could fill, well... Texas.
ok. we get it. u guys hate hillary and want obama to win. but this posting is ridiculous.
"My personal: if you really want to squash stuff like this, don't dignify it with a response. Some things you just laugh at and move on from."
-John Kerry used the above strategy.
HE LOST.
BTW, Rita....Did you know that CTV report that first reported about Obama and Canada also said Clinton's campaign people met with the Canadian govn't to calm them down?
"The CTV exclusive also reported that sources said the Clinton campaign has made indirect contact with the Canadian government, trying to reassure Ottawa of their support despite Clinton's words. The Clinton camp denied the claim. The story caught the attention of Republican front-runner John McCain on Thursday."
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080228/turkey_Gates_080228/20080229
-Kerry allowed himself to be Swiftboated.
He didn't take it seriously...until it rose up and bit him in the ass.
"My personal: if you really want to squash stuff like this, don't dignify it with a response. Some things you just laugh at and move on from."
-John Kerry used the above strategy.
HE LOST.
I think she's staying in to help McCain. After the Democrat convention - especially with the delegate fighting - the Billary will do everything to make Obama lose.
Becoming President is a fight from day one. The attacks wont stop (until he leaves office), so they have to be instantly refuted.
I just wrote about that subject:
http://reachblack.blogspot.com/2008/03/remember-what-about-math.html
My question is how does she suppose she will get blacks to vote for her if she takes the nomination?
I know her campaign isn't good at crafting strategies for the future but this is ridiculous.
-Answer: She doesn't.
She'll go "Republican-lite"...and lose.
She'll ask Obama to be her VP...and he'll accept.
"She'll ask Obama to be her VP...and he'll accept."
-I don't think so.
If he does, he's a fool.
Great post on Clinton vs Obama's record:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/20/201332/807
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No he won't!
Remember when both were asked about being on a dream ticket during one of the debates? Well, the next day, Obama stated that if Hillary was to be the nominee---she may not get his voters but he may get hers if he was to become the nominee! Doesn't sound like a VP candidate to me!!
"I'm watching her speech right now and she is slick."
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Yes. She is.
My problem with tonight is that voters in Ohio (especially) and Texas told us that fear and negativity still trump hope and positivity.
Hillary will take that, run with it, and turn this into the nastiest campaign in my lifetime.
I can already feel the balloon deflating.
This isn't going to turn out good for the country.
Many of us will crawl back under our rocks of apathy and disillusionment our country will suffer another stretch of dread and divisiveness and the world will continue to hate us.
If Obama is going to hold on, he will have to continue to drive home his new message "The world is watching" and restoring pride in being American.
I anticipated this on my blog:
http://reachblack.blogspot.com/2008/03/remember-what-about-math.html
If you find yourself in a debate with a Clinton supporter. If you find yourself disoriented because of all of the Clinton spin. Just stop . . . take a deep breath . . . and ask . . .
WHAT ABOUT THE MATH?
It's as simple as that folks. Ask that question and DEMAND that they give you a plausible game plan wherein Hillary can comeback and take the delegate lead without:
1. Seating the MI and FL delegates after the DNC specifically said that they would not count; and
2. Using super delegates to reverse the will of the people.
If they can't do that, then DEMAND that they tell you EXACTLY why Hillary Clinton should stay in the race knowing that every attack she makes from here forward will do no more than add ammunition for the Republican party.
Beware! You will be called a "hater." You will be called arrogant. Don't be swayed. At the end of the theatrics and philosophical talk about "swing states," and "big states," just ask, "WHAT ABOUT THE MATH?"
And if someone should create some outlandish (although mathematically possible) scenario. Get it in writing. Send it to every news outlet you know. And DEMAND that the media hold her to that standard!
Stop moving the goal posts!
Wake the hell up! He is winning.
If she finishes within 100 pledged delegates, she will win the nomination.
The math simply won't matter.
Just watch.
Question for everyone....should he fight back hard? Throw the plasma tv at her? Or should he try to continue to follow his "no politics as usual" method. This woman is fighting hard and is playing dirty by any means necessary. The very reason why I didn't get involved in politics.
He'd have no chance of beating McCain in the general election. No chance at all.
Let's face it people, it's going to take a miracle for him to take the Oath of Office next year.
A miracle. I believe in mircales. Know we have to do our part to make them happen.
Clinton is fighting for herself and herself only. But she's slick enough to make voters believe she's in it for them. That's her talent. Like it or lump it, that's her talent.
You want empty rhetoric? Listen to the Clintons.
And they have the party machine. That cannot be underestimated.
She will never concede. Her strategy has changed. Her intention is to damage Obama and the democratic party - If that favours the Republicans, then so be it.
I agree with you.
Now my question is, what is her supporters excuse?
Hmmm. Many a black men have been lynched for lesser aggression towards white women...aggression of a look in the eye was historically a death sentence for black men in America. We are not that far removed from the drag lynching of James Byrd more recently to the traditional lynching of my uncle in the mid 80's. She he get aggressive with the white damsel in distress... let me know how that works out because that is the exact bait she has been tossing day one.
Classic American Renaissance meme, and a softer form of what the blogger The Unapologic Mexican call the "Carom Scarem". "soon no one will listen" means "soon there will be a race war".