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Jack and Jill Politics: Hillary Clinton’s Star-Crossed Weekend: Dead Horse, Fake Gun and "Elite" Facts

  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Laughing my head off! Thoroughly enjoyed this post!


    Pretty good article on Gary Indiana AA residents. From Canadian magazine Macleans.

    Residents of black steel town say they've got Obama's back in Indiana vote
  • Ms.Martin · 1 year ago
    Excellent post!


    I don't think there are enough ignorant people in the world let alone in IN and NC to fall for the latest round of madness.



    I saw an interview this evening of Jewish students who either agreed with Obama or McCain's foreign policy neither said Clinton and the student who backed Obama really layed it out. He said that he thought McCain's stance would galvanize extremists and support an anti-American attitude. Not one of those students made an argument for Hillary and her obliterate Iran position.



    I really think the only people she will find to support her positions are the people who weren't going to vote for Obama anyway.



    What's up with the New Jersey Clinton buyer's remorse?
  • Ms.Martin · 1 year ago
    Check out this story:


    A quick sale for Obama in Indiana By ANN SANNER, Associated Press Writer

    Sun May 4, 2:58 PM ET





    There's one working-class, older white voter who is voting for Obama and has known it since the beginning; he agreed with Obama on the war and feels he can bring people together to get things done.
  • faith · 1 year ago
    Some people just WANT to be willfully ignorant!
  • babyming · 1 year ago
    There is no good to come from Hillary. I wish Obama would stop saying the occassional nice thing about her. All she has to offer is more negativity, more insanity. Obama should never offer her the VP slot. Did Al Gore get some kind of "loser's consolation prize"? If Hillary loses the nomination, Democrats should tell her and her legal-husband "thank you and goodbye".
  • babyming · 1 year ago
    One more thing: if Clinton loses the nomination, she will have millions of dollars in campaign debt. She will need help from prominent Democrats (especially President Obama!) if any of her massive debt will be paid off. She is in no position to threaten anyone or demand anything. Don't be fooled by her! The Democratic Party is bigger than the Clintons, and it will survive her.
  • andyfrombrooklyn · 1 year ago
    will paul krugman show some intellectual honesty now that he too has been slimed? doubt it. what would it take?
  • B-Serious · 1 year ago
    I am shocked that the supers haven't stepped forward to end this thing.


    This goes beyond Obama and Clinton. At this point, it's become a matter of basic Democratic principles.



    We have two parties for a reason.



    But Hillary's candidacy seeks to shift the Democratic Party completely right of center.



    She is one step shy of Joe Lieberman and five steps shy of Zell Miller. Her shameless pandering to CONSERVATIVE rural America is NOT Democratic (capital "D") politics.



    Why is the Democratic Party allowing her to do this?



    How can you burn bridges with half of the Party; piss off key constituencies; alienate the activist base; bully Democratic colleagues; pander to conservatives and still have a shot at being the Democratic nominee?



    Hillary Clinton is NOT a Democrat. Her "you're with us or against us" stance on the gas tax reminds me of Bush. Her "obliterate" Iran, stance is to the RIGHT of most conservatives.



    She is NOT a Democrat. So why are the supers letting her stay in this race for the DEMOCRATIC nomination?
  • Ronnie B · 1 year ago
    Clinton's pandering begs a fishing analogy.


    Barack is fishing for as many voters as he can. He knows that some voters bite hard on lures; some voters go crazy on worms; still other voters will go for nothing but minnows. And Barack uses each lure or bait where appropriate.



    Clinton, on the other hand, is desparate. She's resorted to baiting her hooks with cigarette butts. And at this point, she'll be happy with whatever kind of fish will take that bait.



    Would you want to feast on the fish that eats cigarette butts?
  • B-Serious · 1 year ago
    ronnie b,


    I sure wouldn't, but the DNC doesn't seem to mind.



    Anyone who pays attention can see where this thing is headed:



    Obama (the candidate who EARNED the nomination) vs. Hillary (the candidate with the late surge of momentum).



    Hillary can't catch Obama. But she sure can hurt him. Hillary's "momentum" is due, in large part, to the fact that she gets to smear Obama left and right with no fear of consequence. None whatsoever. She can say whatever she wants. She can make her own rules. She can move the goalposts. She can create her own reality. No one ever calls her on it.



    And the Democratic Party is doing absolutely silent when it comes to stepping in and stopping this thing.



    The bar is soooo low for Hillary at this point. All she has to do in win Indiana and she lives to fight for the ENTIRE month of May.



    That means more smears, more gutter politics, more division, new goalposts.



    And the headached won't stop there. She's got a big win lined up for next week in West Virginia; followed by a probable split with Obama between Kentucky and Oregon.



    THE MATH IS THE MATH. THE NUMBERS are not going to change. All signs say Obama is the nominee. So why is the Democratic Party giving Hillary the green light to try and destroy Obama's chances in the Fall?
  • golden star · 1 year ago
    b-serious,


    "She is one step shy of Joe Lieberman and five steps shy of Zell Miller. Her shameless pandering to CONSERVATIVE rural America is NOT Democratic (capital "D") politics."



    Actually, I think you give her too much credit. It appears that she's just 1.5 steps shy of Zell Miller. It's been a loooooong time since we have had a national election with such a racist sub-text.



    ronnie b, I'm feelin' it. It's such an ecological unsafe environment. Ewwwww.



    Jack, I'm not an equestrian but would have to depend upon some horse handlers to figure out how to put this horse down. It really really needs to be done soon.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    Out of what is only strict curiosity...who-besides Obama-wouldn't be considered "a third term of the Bush Administration?"
  • Ronnie B · 1 year ago
    b-serious,


    I feel you. The DNC is watching all of this happen, and *seems* to be taking no action.



    On the one hand, they can plausibly say that there are no rules that require good taste in the bloody sport of politics. And they probably don't want to be seen as coming to Barack's rescue.



    On the other hand, I believe that if Barack was doing his best to poison the electorate; to superficially attack Klinton's gender; to question her sexuality; to attack her at every opportunity, the DNC would have stepped in and demanded civility.



    Finally, if it were *white people* who were threatening to leave the party, Howard Dean would have kneecapped Hillary Clinton already.
  • Ronnie B · 1 year ago
    Out of what is only strict curiosity...who-besides Obama-wouldn't be considered "a third term of the Bush Administration?"


    Republican, Democrat or independent?
  • Khalil Thomas · 1 year ago
    I got this post from ABC. Someone mentioned it while discussing the irony of The Kentucky Derby and The Democratic Race... Enjoy.




    "The correlation to the Clintons is just plain stupid."



    I agree.



    However, let it be known that the correlation is made because Hillary Clinton, FIRST made the connection. She urged her supporters to go out and support Eight Belles, the only female philly in the KD. Who, happened to be, by the way, on paper most likely to beat BIG BROWN, only to, tragically, come up short.



    Like it or not, the symbolism cannot be lost. A shameless ELITIST plug by a presidential candidate who asked her supporters to place a bet, no less, on the lone female philly in the race. It's a irony that cannot be lost.





    "Don't you love it when God reminds us all who is in charge."
  • D. · 1 year ago
    Ronnie,
    Doesn't matter.....I'm just getting the "our guy or no one" vibe again.
  • Ronnie B · 1 year ago
    Ronnie,
    Doesn't matter.....I'm just getting the "our guy or no one" vibe again.



    Repubs



    Jack Kemp

    Michael Steele

    Mike Huckabee



    Dems (other than Obama)



    Harold Ford, Jr.

    John Edwards

    Jim Webb

    Kathleen Sebellius



    Indies



    Ralph Nader

    Jim Jeffords

    Bernie Saunders

    Ron Paul
  • D. · 1 year ago
    Fair enough....I'll reserve my thoughts on Webb for another forum.
  • Ronnie B · 1 year ago
    Clinton Camp Considering Nuclear Option


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/



    These people will stop at nothing. Word has it, that the Klintons may try to get the DNC rules committee (comprised of their supporters) to change the rules so that Florida and Michigan delegates can be seated AND counted.



    Why would anyone--ANYONE--remain a member of this Democratic Party?
  • Val · 1 year ago
    Hey Jack - you forgot one. Senator Clinton says in addition to her short term fix for the gas issue she will provide a credit of $10,000 to go toward citizens purchasing hybrid cars. MSNBC was running parts of her interview done sometime this morning. I don't recall which show she was on but it was done at the same place that Obama also did his interview.
  • Khalil Thomas · 1 year ago
    Here is something I'd like to share... I read this in the N.Y. Times... I don't like posting alot of rhetoric, but this was too good to pass up. Some of you guys may have read this already, but others might have not... Enjoy.


    Op-Ed Columnist

    The All-White Elephant in the Room

    BuzzPermalinkBy FRANK RICH

    Published: May 4, 2008

    BORED by those endless replays of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright? If so, go directly to YouTube, search for “John Hagee Roman Church Hitler,” and be recharged by a fresh jolt of clerical jive.



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    Read All Comments (650) »What you’ll find is a white televangelist, the Rev. John Hagee, lecturing in front of an enormous diorama. Wielding a pointer, he pokes at the image of a woman with Pamela Anderson-sized breasts, her hand raising a golden chalice. The woman is “the Great Whore,” Mr. Hagee explains, and she is drinking “the blood of the Jewish people.” That’s because the Great Whore represents “the Roman Church,” which, in his view, has thirsted for Jewish blood throughout history, from the Crusades to the Holocaust.



    Mr. Hagee is not a fringe kook but the pastor of a Texas megachurch. On Feb. 27, he stood with John McCain and endorsed him over the religious conservatives’ favorite, Mike Huckabee, who was then still in the race.



    Are we really to believe that neither Mr. McCain nor his camp knew anything then about Mr. Hagee’s views? This particular YouTube video — far from the only one — was posted on Jan. 1, nearly two months before the Hagee-McCain press conference. Mr. Hagee appears on multiple religious networks, including twice daily on the largest, Trinity Broadcasting, which reaches 75 million homes. Any 12-year-old with a laptop could have vetted this preacher in 30 seconds, tops.



    Since then, Mr. McCain has been shocked to learn that his clerical ally has made many other outrageous statements. Mr. Hagee, it’s true, did not blame the American government for concocting AIDS. But he did say that God created Hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans for its sins, particularly a scheduled “homosexual parade there on the Monday that Katrina came.”



    Mr. Hagee didn’t make that claim in obscure circumstances, either. He broadcast it on one of America’s most widely heard radio programs, “Fresh Air” on NPR, back in September 2006. He reaffirmed it in a radio interview less than two weeks ago. Only after a reporter asked Mr. McCain about this Katrina homily on April 24 did the candidate brand it as “nonsense” and the preacher retract it.



    Mr. McCain says he does not endorse any of Mr. Hagee’s calumnies, any more than Barack Obama endorses Mr. Wright’s. But those who try to give Mr. McCain a pass for his embrace of a problematic preacher have a thin case. It boils down to this: Mr. McCain was not a parishioner for 20 years at Mr. Hagee’s church.



    That defense implies, incorrectly, that Mr. McCain was a passive recipient of this bigot’s endorsement. In fact, by his own account, Mr. McCain sought out Mr. Hagee, who is perhaps best known for trying to drum up a pre-emptive “holy war” with Iran. (This preacher’s rantings may tell us more about Mr. McCain’s policy views than Mr. Wright’s tell us about Mr. Obama’s.) Even after Mr. Hagee’s Catholic bashing bubbled up in the mainstream media, Mr. McCain still did not reject and denounce him, as Mr. Obama did an unsolicited endorser, Louis Farrakhan, at the urging of Tim Russert and Hillary Clinton. Mr. McCain instead told George Stephanopoulos two Sundays ago that while he condemns any “anti-anything” remarks by Mr. Hagee, he is still “glad to have his endorsement.”



    I wonder if Mr. McCain would have given the same answer had Mr. Stephanopoulos confronted him with the graphic video of the pastor in full “Great Whore” glory. But Mr. McCain didn’t have to fear so rude a transgression. Mr. Hagee’s videos have never had the same circulation on television as Mr. Wright’s. A sonorous white preacher spouting venom just doesn’t have the telegenic zing of a theatrical black man.



    Perhaps that’s why virtually no one has rebroadcast the highly relevant prototype for Mr. Wright’s fiery claim that 9/11 was America’s chickens “coming home to roost.” That would be the Sept. 13, 2001, televised exchange between Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, who blamed the attacks on America’s abortionists, feminists, gays and A.C.L.U. lawyers. (Mr. Wright blamed the attacks on America’s foreign policy.) Had that video re-emerged in the frenzied cable-news rotation, Mr. McCain might have been asked to explain why he no longer calls these preachers “agents of intolerance” and chose to cozy up to Mr. Falwell by speaking at his Liberty University in 2006.



    None of this is to say that two wacky white preachers make a Wright right. It is entirely fair for any voter to weigh Mr. Obama’s long relationship with his pastor in assessing his fitness for office. It is also fair to weigh Mr. Obama’s judgment in handling this personal and political crisis as it has repeatedly boiled over. But whatever that verdict, it is disingenuous to pretend that there isn’t a double standard operating here. If we’re to judge black candidates on their most controversial associates — and how quickly, sternly and completely they disown them — we must judge white politicians by the same yardstick.



    When Rudy Giuliani, still a viable candidate, successfully courted Pat Robertson for an endorsement last year, few replayed Mr. Robertson’s greatest past insanities. Among them is his best-selling 1991 tome, “The New World Order,” which peddled some of the same old dark conspiracy theories about “European bankers” (who just happened to be named Warburg, Schiff and Rothschild) that Mr. Farrakhan has trafficked in. Nor was Mr. Giuliani ever seriously pressed to explain why his cronies on the payroll at Giuliani Partners included a priest barred from the ministry by his Long Island diocese in 2002 following allegations of sexual abuse. Much as Mr. Wright officiated at the Obamas’ wedding, so this priest officiated at (one of) Mr. Giuliani’s. Did you even hear about it?



    There is not just a double standard for black and white politicians at play in too much of the news media and political establishment, but there is also a glaring double standard for our political parties. The Clintons and Mr. Obama are always held accountable for their racial stands, as they should be, but the elephant in the room of our politics is rarely acknowledged: In the 21st century, the so-called party of Lincoln does not have a single African-American among its collective 247 senators and representatives in Washington. Yes, there are appointees like Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice, but, as we learned during the Mark Foley scandal, even gay men may hold more G.O.P. positions of power than blacks.



    A near half-century after the civil rights acts of the 1960s, this is quite an achievement. Yet the holier-than-thou politicians and pundits on the right passing shrill moral judgment over every Democratic racial skirmish are almost never asked to confront or even acknowledge the racial dysfunction in their own house. In our mainstream political culture, this de facto apartheid is simply accepted as an intractable given, unworthy of notice, and just too embarrassing to mention aloud in polite Beltway company. Those who dare are instantly accused of “political correctness” or “reverse racism.”



    An all-white Congressional delegation doesn’t happen by accident. It’s the legacy of race cards that have been dealt since the birth of the Southern strategy in the Nixon era. No one knows this better than Mr. McCain, whose own adopted daughter of color was the subject of a vicious smear in his party’s South Carolina primary of 2000.



    This year Mr. McCain has called for a respectful (i.e., non-race-baiting) campaign and has gone so far as to criticize (ineffectually) North Carolina’s Republican Party for running a Wright-demonizing ad in that state’s current primary. Mr. McCain has been posing (awkwardly) with black people in his tour of “forgotten” America. Speaking of Katrina in New Orleans, he promised that “never again” would a federal recovery effort be botched on so grand a scale.



    This is all surely sincere, and a big improvement over Mitt Romney’s dreams of his father marching with the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Up to a point. Here, too, there’s a double standard. Mr. McCain is graded on a curve because the G.O.P. bar is set so low. But at a time when the latest Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll shows that President Bush is an even greater drag on his popularity than Mr. Wright is on Mr. Obama’s, Mr. McCain’s New Orleans visit is more about the self-interested politics of distancing himself from Mr. Bush than the recalibration of policy.



    Mr. McCain took his party’s stingier line on Katrina aid and twice opposed an independent commission to investigate the failed government response. Asked on his tour what should happen to the Ninth Ward now, he called for “a conversation” about whether anyone should “rebuild it, tear it down, you know, whatever it is.” Whatever, whenever, never mind.



    For all this primary season’s obsession with the single (and declining) demographic of white working-class men in Rust Belt states, America is changing rapidly across all racial, generational and ethnic lines. The Census Bureau announced last week that half the country’s population growth since 2000 is due to Hispanics, another group understandably alienated from the G.O.P.



    Anyone who does the math knows that America is on track to become a white-minority nation in three to four decades. Yet if there’s any coherent message to be gleaned from the hypocrisy whipped up by Hurricane Jeremiah, it’s that this nation’s perennially promised candid conversation on race has yet to begin.
  • Val · 1 year ago
    Morning Joe. She was on the Morning Joe interview. They are replaying the interview again on MSNBC. She said -- In my plan I have a $10,000 credit to help people afford hybrid cars.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Great, alienate the environmental groups with the gas tax holiday, then pander to them to fix it. Clinton policy schizophrenia.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    Ms. Martin,


    Did you see the interview with the group of Muslim-Americans and how they spoke about Obama.
  • kloche · 1 year ago
    This all reminds me of Lupe Fiasco's song- "Dumb it Down"


    This woman really scares me she has adopted Karl Roves campaign playbook and GWB's political line. I think the Clintons have been handing out with the Bushs too much over the last 7 years