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Isn't that what she's counting on with these tactics? As mad as you get now, she knows you're going to be there for her come November.
Despicable.
I have the luxury to live in California but I, for one, would not cast my vote for Clinton. Hopefully, I won't cast my vote for her because Barack will be the one on the ballot but in any case, I am digusted.
I'm sorry, Jill, but Magic Johnson can no longer wear that label, either, seeing as he was the first brotha to turn Handkerchief Head and be rented by the Borg Queen.
I wrote about it here: http://www.getridofthedlc.blogspot.com</br>
"The Rev. Al Sharpton of New York, who has been on the front line of many of the black-Latino battles in New York politics, said the tension would be a problem for Mr. Obama across the country and in New York, which also votes on Feb. 5. He said Mr. Obama would be at a disadvantage because of his choice to be a “race-neutral candidate.”
“It’s going to be a challenge that he has got to deal with,” Mr. Sharpton said. “There’s a natural history, and we’ve made some progress. But he has not been part of those efforts to make progress.”
If Obama gets the nomination, Uncle Al is out of a job. If Hillary wins, Latinos will be her 'new best friend' and where will that leave us?
The story played out for a day or two. The media banged Hillary over the head with the King comment, the Bob Johnson comment, the fairy tale comment, the boos in New York City and the like. Yesterday's today show where Michael Eric Dyson essentially said this was happening "because the Clintons feel entitled for to the presidency and don't want to have to work for votes," is an example.
Then Obama gets to come in and take the high road. He ends the debate. The issue was raised, but never by him. He gets to oppose some of the more traditional members of the black establishment--something he must do if he is to win. He returns to his "transformative" character, while people are left remembering that there's nothing new about the Clintons.
I understand people are pissed. I am pissed. Everyone should be pissed. But I believe the crass politics of this one played out in Obama's favor. I also believe Hillary backed off because she knew this backfired, and didn't want to do any more damage to her campaign.
And that's what the Clintons are banking on. That they could racially rough-ride over Obama right in front of us -- over and over and using sneering, paternalistic barbs -- and that African-Americans would come crawling back anyway in the general election.
I have voted for Hillary Clinton before, but it won't happen again. And I think she can bank on a lot of black folks like me either considering an independent candidate, John McCain (the only remotely palatable Republican) or just sitting this one out. It's not okay with me (the race-baiting) and I will not be rewarding her with my vote.
Are you insane? You'd still vote for this woman after what she did to a black candidate and black voters?
Do you understand what that does? All that does is make it even more impossible for black candidates to reach the highest office in the land. Because white politicians will then know that they can use race to slaughter their black opponent with zero consequences. Black people, like you, will take it and still go vote for their racist asses. So what if you're holding your nose. When you vote for Hillary if she wins the primary, you give the stamp of approval to racist campaigning. And that hurts candidates of color in the long haul.
How you can sit there and say you'll still vote for Hillary is just sad to me.
Black people, yes, as someone said, we are the battered wives of the world. We'll sit and take anything. Talk a lot of shit like Jill, and still take a smack upside the head. And Jill is an informed person. Just think of all the black folks that don't pay attention to this stuff!
SMDH
Unlike Bob, Magic has chosen to invest in underserved communities and has been a consistent spokesperson for HIV and AIDS prevention and treatment. I have a lot of respect for him.
And that's what the Clintons are banking on. That they could racially rough-ride over Obama right in front of us -- over and over and using sneering, paternalistic barbs -- and that African-Americans would come crawling back anyway in the general election."
But if we know that's what they're doing, why concede and vote for her anyway? We do have another option: Cynthia McKinney on the Green Party ticket. Voting for her may not help her (McKinney) win but it'll send a clear message to Clinton and other Dems that they can't play us cheap.
And Imma need for ol' Charlie to have a cup of hush with his adulterous ass. We wrote about his cheating on Alma last year:
http://spilledtea.com/spilledteablog/?p=170
A good question for us all would be (in light of the events up to now):
If Hillary wins the nom and offers Obama the Vice-Presidency, should he accept it?
Would the vice-presidency be enough to compensate for all of these racist tactics? I don't know about you all, but I don't come THAT CHEAP. I am done voting for Clintons...will never vote for another Clinton again...even if Obama is on the ticket.
It needs to be telegraphed to the Clinton Campaign and the Democratic Party Establishment...your "most loyal base" of support--the African-American Community--will dismiss you in this next election.
It's really sad...the way this story is playing out must be Karl Rove's wet dream...
But at stake is something greater than the Karl Roves, the Republicans or their policies that decimate the African-American community...it is OUR OWN SENSE of SELF-RESPECT at stake.
The Democratic Party be damned if it tolerates these tactics. The Clinton commentary on MLK, LBJ and Fairytale candidacies is not only disrepectful to Barack Obama. IT IS DISREPECTFUL TO ALL AFRICAN AMERICANS (PAST, PRESENT, & FUTURE).
And any African American (Robert Johnson, Rangel, Stephanie Tubb-Jones, Sheila Jackson Lee, and even John Lewis, etc.) who defends the Clinton commentary, deserve the infamy which they will receive. IT IS NOTHING LESS THAN UNCLE TOM DEFENDING MASSA....AT ITS BEST.
Voting for Hillary would just embolden this kind of campaigning in the future. If blacks vote for her in our regular numbers, this thing continues for all eternity and there won't ever be a black president, period. Or a latino president or an Asian president,etc. You don't have to vote for Hillary or Republican.Claiming that is the only option is simply a lie and you know that. You can write in a candidate. You can vote Green. You can vote Independent, Libertarian, etc. It's not either/or.
You say yourself that you know the Clintons are counting on their pickininnies to come running back, yet you turn around and say you will be coming back. What kind of sense does that make.
Black people really need to get over this downtrodden defeatist attitude that you display. Are you really down or just pretending? Sounds to me like you're a pretender. A phony version of an informed black progressive who'll vote for a race baiter cause you're worrying about "winning" over your own dignity.
And that is what this comes down to. What exactly is Hillary going to do that will benefit black folk, or hell, the country. She's not going to do shit for us, she's going to stay the course in Iraq, and she'll be so hated that nothing will get done. For more years of same old same old politics. You're willing to vote for that over black dignity. Girl, please. You sound like everything that's wrong with black folks. Talk a good game and don't do shit about it.
Despicable.
And that's exactly what's happening in the minds of white and other non-Black prospective voters. The race card has been played; the would-never voters now have their plausible excuse; the white and non-Black swing voters will be turned off; and Obama inexplicably (but by design) catches the blame.
(BTW, found this Blog through POLITICO, and have enjoyed reading the input here; however, it does have a tad too much focus on - Black...White...Black...White...Black...White, IMO. Still, in the context of the Clinton attacks on Obama, and in general, the Modus Operandi of the Democrat Party, such should be expected. With that said, it's still an A+ Blog, and I have it placed right next to my other favorite Blogs.)
Jill wrote:
"But if she wins the nomination, I would absolutely vote for her over whichever fascist fumbling jackass the Republicans select in their primaries."
Actually, since the Democrat Party promotes Socialism (which is "One Step from Communism"), it is much closer to being a Fascist Party than the Republican Party is. Socialism, Communism, and Fascism are 'Three-Peas-in-the-same-Pod', i.e. they want to abolish individualism and replace it with a "folk community" (the State)...so to speak.
INDIVIDUALISM
For all of the ranting and railing I’ve heard against the Iraq war from minorities and women, how can anyone support the war mongering Hillary with a clear conscious? The Democrats so reflexively believe that any Democrat is better than anything from the other side that we will fall in line no matter which constituency has to be thrown under the bus to restore the Clintons to the White House.
Doesn't matter to me who the GOP candidate is.
Jill, someone on FN pointed this out:
This isn't just an attack on Obama. This is an attack on ANY Black candidate that dares to aspire to higher office in the future. And, if we, the Black community, turns around and gives THAT WOMAN our votes, after she has participated and orchestrated this race-baiting, then WE will be complicit in setting in cement a CEILING for Black political candidates.
Because, they will have the playbook from the Clintons.
No. There comes a time when you must stand up. There comes a time when you must do what's right for not only now, but future possibilities.
Letting Hillary Clinton get away with this bullshit is not an option. EVER voting for her is NOT an option.
So what if the GOP wins..it's not like Black folk don't already know hard times. But, to let that race-baiting heifer get away with this?
HELL NO.
I shall not go sit in the corner and KNOW MY PLACE. Fuck that, and all her Handkerchief Heads.
Great election coverage, BTW. I look forward to reading more!
I was disagreeing with Jill. I was not attacking her personally, and I won't sit around while any of the Bloggers are attacked here.
So let the Clintons flail and grope for a white backlash. I don't know where it's going to come from, in either the primaries or the general. The cracker vote has long since decamped to the Republican side. And the longer the Clintons smear Obama, the more white liberals and independents they offend.
I hope I don't have to take this all back when we're deep into the administration of a fascist fumbling jackass.
That said, he would be in the position to make a deal, but one that benefits him: one-term and I run with you. That would be one worth considering, but it's also risky. If Clinton screws things up and is unpopular in 4 years, he'll have a hard time winning. That's why I think he should say no to the VP nomination.
Please go back to the Ron Paul web page. You asked why the focus on Black, White, Black White. Hellooo.
That is what the discussion is about, and if you didn't know it. This is a black blog with a black perspective.
Too many people died for us to be able to vote so IF Hillary were THE candidate, I would vote for her, otherwise we play into the hands of many of these people try to persuade us to stay home.
One way or the other we have to make the decision for our future and our children's futures. Its not all about us but them and I mean ALL of our children. Whether we like it or not, we do have a choice and for me it could never be the selfish, mean-spirited, racist Republicans.
Barak Obama represents a change from the status quo. The status quo is Hillary and...you.
If -- if -- Obama does not get the nomination, I think he may be hard pressed to accept a VP offer from Clinton; he would be effectively endorsing the very politics that he's campaigning against.
But with each passing day, and with more and more people discovering what the Clintons are all about, he'll win the nomination.
But then, this is the campaign that hired Mark Penn, CEO of Burson-Marsteller.
I wasn't ever going to vote for Clinton. It's just getting too much like royalty to have it all in the family all of the time. She sure is making it easier not to vote for her.
I'll vote green or take a hard look at Bloomberg. My bet is he jumps in if Clinton gets the nomination. Way out here on the left coast I don't know much about the mayor of New York City.
1. Change my party affiliation
2. Get a new URL for my website
3. Join this effort
Having house negroes like Stephanie Tubbs Jones and Charlie Rangel go after Obama is making the situation worse. The Clintons both pandered for the black vote and taken it for granted as well. Not even "black brotha" Bill's K-Fed impersonation will bring me over to their side.
I wouldn't vote for Hillary if she were the last Democrat on earth.
In fact I would go on to say all fair-minded people, regardless of their race or religion should refuse to vote for Hillary after the kind of campaign she's run.
Beyond that, while I'm not a Republican, what would be so horrible about either McCain or Huckabee. I'm not a fan of Huckabee's politics or the his talk about changing the Constitution to fit God's standards(my parents came to the US to get away from that kind of thinking) but in his last election to Governor, he got 40% of the black vote, so clearly a lot of black people are familiar with him and don't have a problem with him.
I certainly find him preferable to either Giuliani or Romney both of whom seem to support torture and expanding the curtailment of our civil liberties.
My objection before was political. She and her husband have always been too quick to adopt GOP strategies and ideas when it suited them politically.
And as an African-American, between Ricky Ray Rector, Sister Soulja, welfare reform and all the other bullshit they've pulled on our community there was no way in good conscience I could vote for her.
She's essentially a Republican. A moderate Republican perhaps but a typical Republican who is perfectly happy running over any black or brown person to get more votes.
(Wait till the western states open up you know she's going to try to stir up a fight between blacks and Latinos)
This new shit has just made me angrier. I don't care who the Republicans are running in the general election, I'll vote for the Dems in the local and state elections and for president if that two-faced liar is the nominee I'm writing in Shirley Chisolm's name a real feminist and a real fighter for change.
Fuck Hillary and Bill.
Good boy, you've done the required Party Reading for the day, Mr. Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism." A loyal Comrade like you will rise HIGH in the Party.
You successfully painted the traitorous Democratic Party with a sufficiently broad brush to connect it to both Stalin and Hitler, two mortal enemies from the Last Great War. Truly a rhetorical and logical feat. Thank you Comrade.
-Herr Rove
This is why I'm against football and other collectivist sports. These sports diminish the individual and brainwash people into supporting collectives, universal health care, and the obvious next step: Nazi death camps for minorities and liberals. Oh, wait, the minorities and liberals are Nazis...or something... Anyways, I only play golf. Football, baseball, and basketball (tennis is iffy) promote socialism, which as we all know, is fascism. Black is also white. And up is down.
Latinos are nostalgic for the 90s and would love to go back to the future rather than go forward.
So, the Clintons and their pollsters have made the calculation to basically throw african americans under the bus to get the latinos in their camp.
So, start a racebaiting thing and not only do they paint Obama as a stereotype that plays into the very tensions between latinos and african amnericans, but, keeps them away and therefore unable to be moved by Obama and his appeal.
My question is if this is indeed what the Clintons are doing, then it's obviously not a secret. So, why are so many black pols standing by them and willing to destroy their credibility and self respect to go out and lie and attack Sen. Obama? People like Tubbs Jones, Rangel, Jackson Lee, ect.
Mostly whites - especially indies and democrats, called in.
I'd say about 90%+ said this was Hillary and her surrogates doing it to take down Obama.
So, it seems alot of whites have already figured out the game and know what Hillary is up to and they are not buying it.
Seems the only people who are are the people already supporting Hillary. And even among supporters, she's lost a few judging from comments on other sites.
Most say they will not vote for her if she is the nominee.
Thought you might like to know that Hillary's plan to drive away white indies backfired and stuck to her and not Obama
Love the blog, BTW.
More people need to vote for what they believe and not what the media or lame surrogates tell them what to believe. If more people threw off their votes to parties like the Greens (say 5%-15% of voters), the Democratic party would definitely take notice, especially since elections have been so close lately. Until then, some in the Democratic Party will continue to take your vote for granted while they insult you to your face. You never saw George W. Bush insult the evangelicals, even though he may have taken them for granted.
The Clinton campaign over the last month has been, at best, disgraceful. There are plenty of other reasons not to vote for Hillary Clinton, in addition to the lastest round of racebaiting. They do not deserve anyone's vote (African-Americans, Latinos, Labor et al) for that matter.
I was prepared to vote for the any of the Democratic candidates until a month ago. If HRC wins the primary, she will definitely not get my vote. It is time to throw her entitled butt under the bus and let her see what it feels like. Let her kiss the "restoration" goodbye. If they lose over this, I guarantee the Democratic party will see to it that this nonsense does not happen again.
as for Magic Johnson, he has already stuck his foot in his mouth regarding Barack Obama...
http://inkognegro.wordpress.com/2007/12/19/magic-johnson-and-a-live-microphone-a-match-made-in-heaven/
None of the Above 40
None of the Above WINS Detroit and Flint, the major urban areas of Michigan. Hillary wins on suburban white women.
From Exit Polling. Among African Americans
None of the Above 73
Hillary 25
Tell me how you can win Michigan when 40% of voters went out on a snowy day just to vote AGAINST you. Hillary has major problems. She is unelectable. People are starting to realize that. Obama needs to win Nevada--a tough thing for him to do. If he can, then the wheels start to fall off of Hillary's bus again.
One thing, though; the Americans with Disabilities Act was passed in 1991, during the first Bush Administration, and the Family and Medical Leave Act was passed the same year. The Clinton administration was competent, barely, and I was proud to have voted for him twice, but without a Democratic Congress, he spent 6 years playing defense. And since he was responsible for losing congress...
Barack Obama can get us a landslide, a landslide that can move the country beyond whatever micro-proposals either Obama or Clinton feel obliged to put out during the campaign. Clinton will just piss people off, and we'll spend the next 8 years trying to get a $23 tax credit for new shoelaces passed and she'll try to tell us that its the second coming of the new deal. No thanks.
What's interesting is that not only is it a comparison based on perceived leadership, but also race. She did diminish King's leadership and his contributions to civil rights through her comment. Her comments afterwards were pure damage control.