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she just HAD to wait a few days, she HAD to make it her moment. as if the whole world was spinning around her. as if the losing candidate mattered more than the winner.
i'm through with that woman. for ever.
She wants the spotlight because it's all about her and the Media is feeding right into it!
She is still acting as if she is the winner! Crazy b%t%h!
I feel the same way about Richardson, (in the southwest) Rendell (in Pa) Webb and co. (in Va) and Strickland (in Oh)
I think by doing this, Barack shows the media and his supporters that he's not being pressured to PICK a VP and it shows to the untrained eye that he's got them all on an equal playing field.
Bottom line, I wouldnt treat Hillary and different then I would treat any other top dems.
Watch in her "concession" speech for her to mention how she got "18 million votes." How she won the "big" or "key" states. Keeping this lie alive that somehow the nomination was "stolen" from her.
Keep this viper FAR away from you campaign, Barack.
Very insightful. It's as if she believes "if I never quit, I never lose". Except there's a scoreboard and a clock...
feeding right into it.
none-journalism, again. cnn. wolf blitzer! what did i expect.
and cnn's not alone, i guess. man, i wanna puke.
DO you REALLY believe the story that Charlie Rangel gave Hillpatine 'The Smackdown'?
Just want JJP's thoughts on that.
i have a suggestion: SHUT THE FUCK UP AND CRAWL UNDER A ROCK.
he's done such a disservice to hillary's campaign, imagine how bad he could be for obama.
back to it: why should it matter? if rangel did so, he was just being sane.
shall we now spin out awards for that?
Choosing Mrs. Clinton would make Mr. Obama look weak. No one would believe he picked her because he respected or liked her. They'd think he was appeasing her. This is not something he can afford! And in any case some people cannot be appeased. Voters would assume she and her people did their voodoo—I have 18 million voters!—and he fell for it. She doesn't have 18 million voters, she got 18 million votes. It is telling the way she thinks of them, as if they are working-class automatons awaiting her command.
I really believe this narcissist thought the Superdelegates were going to switch from Obama to her! Also heard she didn't have any idea of how little support she had with colleagues! It was her own top strategists that called the Senate in order to get her out!
(very clear allusion, i think.)
"She has a lot of explaining to do as to why she thinks Obama has more qualifications to be commander-in-chief other than “a speech he gave in 2002″, and where he acquired those credentials in the few short months since she made that accusation. Hillary has to also explain how Obama stopped “dangerously oversimplifying” foreign policy in a time of war."
The problem for Hillary is that these statements stick because they have a great deal of truth in them. The RNC has a library of these comments ready for ads in the fall. Every time she hits the road for Obama, the Republicans will remind voters of Hillary’s real opinions of Barack Obama.
Republicans will see to it that while she may be gone, her words will not be forgotten.
Off topic but...
Michael Jordan?!!
Being from Chicago, I take issue with that.
if it's true that her strategists helped pull the plug, then it was an act of love..or self preservation which is the same thing. I marvel that neither Bill nor Chelsea stepped in to save her from herself.
As for Rangel, I think he had a great deal to do with her about face. That entire NY delegation seemed troubled at the press conference. I imagine him on the phone telling her that their political futures were in jeopardy and not getting a good reply. I think if anything, he was the one who convinced his colleagues to pledge to her...perhaps her felt a certain responsibility for their futures.
He was on telly smoothing things over, but he looked anxious.
From what i understand, Rangel was the one who told her that her NY peeps were getting pressured to make that move FIRST b/c it would send a message.
Evidently Pelosi and Ried may have gotten to his ear..This was from an unknown source i head on NPR.
I can see how this was the case b/c following the timeline of people to endorse since he captured the nomination, they came out first, followed by Florida Delegation (who backed her) and then the rest came suit.
For Hearts and Flowers et al who like us have CBC issues..
Most have swtiched over since. There are still 2 who havent, Stephanie Tubbs Jones, and Sheila Jackson Lee, i'd watck them. they are the closest to HRC, there failures to step in line not withstanding, there could be something into it..
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Liar! You & Hillary both are the ultimate liars. Even members of your own Republican Party told Barack to not trust her! Hillary was saying anything to win because with the Clintons the means justifies the end! She wanted President---f%%% her!
BWA HA HA HA HAA
I wish we could just discretely tell all us black folk to shut up for the next 5 months. We're doing victory laps like we won something and Spike Lee is out there "sticking it to whitey" or whatever the hell he is doing. This only hurts Obama. We cannot act crazy right now. We can act crazy on November 5th though.
So please, I implore all black people, keep your heads down for the next 5 months, that does not mean be subservient, but don't get all Spike Lee and act crazy and try to stick it to all the white people you can. Lets get through this. Then we can party.
Tubbs-Jones was the one who commented that she didn't have a problem with Obama wearing the "clothing of his nation" regarding the pics of him in Somali native dress. I think there's no redemption here.
Jackson Lee has a reputation for being a terror to her staff and has a 180% turnover rate. I can't see her being humble and endorsing. Oh well..
We all know how we feel about Hillary, but we need those folks to vote for Obama. We need this win.
So lets chill out. We people are getting too crazy. I feel like we just passed the job interview, got the job offer and instead of staying in the night before the first day, we are going out to party. There is more work to do.
So lets lay off Hillary now, unless she doesn't keep her word. And let's focus on November. And by focus, I mean not getting all full of ourselves yet.
Let's face it, anything and everything any black person does or says gets put on Obama. Let's make sure that we chill out and we let our friends know that they need to chill out too.
We don't need to be angry right now, we won. But we don't need to act crazy either.
Friends of Bill Warn Obama: Do not trust the Clintons
I remember that April reporter on Hardball that day..she cracked me up, because that was her memo for the day and she did NOT deviate from it - the Clintons could NOT be trusted under ANY circumstances.
Of course she has zero credibility with Obama supporters but just know that no matter what Hillary says or does, the RNC is ready to pounce.
Ultimately the voters will decide if Obama has the experience and judgment to be President.
A SAMPLING OF CLINTON ATTACKS ON OBAMA
Sen. Clinton Attacked Obama’s Character And Judgment:
Sen. Clinton Attacked Obama For Working For “Rezko, In His Slum Landlord Business.”
Sen. Clinton Called Obama’s “Bitter” Comments “Elitist,” “Out Of Touch” And “Not Reflective Of The Values And Beliefs Of Americans.”
Sen. Clinton Attacked Obama’s Readiness To Serve As Commander In Chief:
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) Said That While She And Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) Had Crossed “The Commander In Chief Threshold … You Will Have To Ask Senator Obama With Respect To His Candidacy.”
Sen. Clinton Mocked Obama For Arguing That “Living In A Foreign Country At The Age Of 10 Prepares One To Face The Big, Complex International Challenges The Next President Will Face."
Sen. Clinton Attacked Obama’s Policies:
Sen. Clinton Attacked Obama’s “Continuing To Say That He Would Meet With Some Of The Worst Dictators In The World Without Preconditions.”
Sen. Clinton Accused Obama Of Wanting “A $1 Trillion Tax Increase.”
Sen. Clinton Said Obama’s Health Care Plan “Simply Flunks The Test.”
Thank You! What has Spike/Eastwood brawl got to do with eggs in China?
Jackson-Lee is more vulnerable than Tubbs Jones. Tubbs Jones has a committee chairmanship and Obama did well in her district, but not like anywhere else. I hate that woman, she is (and I hate to say it) ghetto. Her two sons are ghetto too. None of them know how to behave and dignify themselves.
Jackson-Lee on the other hand has some troubles. Her district went Obama like 95%. When she showed up her county delegate convention, her own constituents basically turned on her and she was left muttering some crap about how she gave her "word" or something stupid. Just watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwfAOVAIXog
And then she doubled down and kept going on TV being the Clintons attack dog on Obama. She's in trouble.
Anyone notice that Maxime Waters didn't get herself involved in this crap? And Waters came out and endorsed Obama, switching from Clinton, before the polls closed in Montana.
I think Jackson-Lee's days are numbered. I understand that there is a lot of interest in getting Tubbs Jones out, but I think she is too entrenched.
The problem is , there are raw nerves on both sides. She, got about as republican in her campaign as one could get.
That phrase:
I think Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to bring to the White House, I think I have a life time of experience to bring to the White House, and Senator Obama has a speech that he gave in 2002
is blaring on the RNC's homepage as we speak, and SHE gave it. It will take awhile to get past her, but I know we can. I dont speak for everybody here, only myself, but i know those 18million votes she got we need back..Even if its just a third of them, a fourth or maybe a fifth. Those are votes period.
With that said, It must also be acknowledged that her people need to calm down a bit to. Ive been on her supporters page and some are for Obama , some are talking about not voitng, and theres a FEW who talk of voting republican.
they need to be put in check just as much if not more then blackfolk. I dont think there democrats, but in blog world, you really cant tell..
Actually it does. They have both been out in Cannes and while there, Eastwood made some comments about Hillary and how he wants her to win. And in response, Spike Lee I think decided to go after Eastwood and his films. I think it has more to do with this campaign than you think.
After this, I'm going to have to cut my dose od MSM to 3 days a week. I just can't take any more coverage about hillary and him (him being Obama). Somebody gag Candy Crowley.
SJL is safe this yr. She had no comp in dem primary, and the repub she faces may get blew out by a very large margin as most people in houston click the dem box in general.
the focus is for 2010..thats when she's vulnerable.
i cant speak on Tubbs Jones but it sounds like she's in the same boat
I agree that her folks are way out of control too. Way out of control and beyond the pale. And so was she.
But we know how this stuff works. I have read on her websites that her supporters are mad that Obama has not given a speech on gender. None of them every asks the question why didn't Hillary ever give a speech about gender if it was that much of an issue for her, like race is for Obama.
So we all know how this stuff works. Let's not delude ourselves. I am as angry as anyone. But I don't think now is the time to express that anger. We need to put it past us for the next 5 months. Remember, pride comes before the fall.
She's not saying enough about Barack Obama!
Of course I meant for 2010 for SJL, the Dem primary has long since passed. But I have heard that her days are as numbered like Al Wynn. There seems to be a lot of motivation in getting her out, the only issue is how it will happen. The biggest obstacle will be to ensure that the anti SJL crowd get united, because if the primary field is crowded, the vote will get diluted and it won't be possible. Obviously there are a lot of people in her district who would be rising stars and qualified to run against her. There is a huge talent pool there.
STJ is in trouble, but because of her committee chairmanship, it will be really difficult to raise funds to oppose her.
One of the reasons that Donna Edwards was so successful was that they cleared the field for her and she was able to raise money from and get a lot of support from SEIU.
Somehow, I don't think this is over with...
John Edwards campaign's "suspended" too. It means little. It just means that she keeps her accounts open to raise money to pay off her debts.
The real issue is whether she will release her delegates or not.
She can't resist to pat herself on the back!
Could you imagine if Obama gave a consession speech like that? I did this for the Black people... this is for everyone who was enslaved, made to feel less than.... Racism is a MF... PLEASE. White privilege is so real right now.
Thanks for the info. I find it fascinating how so many black public servants lacked a fundamental respect for Barack's abilities...did they really think so little of him to jeopardize their careers? Whatever..
Interesting how she had the stage to herself to suspend without interference for Obama. Her mention of Barack lacked emotion, though the words were in place.
She kept saying we "must work hard" to do this and that let's elect Barack Obama. It sounded like she was trying to say it's going to be hard to elect Barack Obama.
now i can only say to her.
thanks. bye.
Oh, I know.
But this is Hillary.
I just have this vision of one of her last diehard staffers pouring over delegate numbers, results, etc.
And if said staffer finds a way...
Donna Brazile is lying. She is clearly disappointed.
most of the women were ONLY voting on that basis. She actually did better than I expected. I did not care for the phrasing she used in asking everyone to support Obama. It could have been stronger. I liked the way she warned against voting Republican.
It was a very decent start!
John Edwards when on stage with Barack, spent more time talking about Hillary. Her role in the party is in jepoardy, and she knows it. This is her TRYING to restore the Clinton name in the Dem. Party. I dont think her line about unremarkable will sell well with other women and may give a hint as to who Barack is thinking about picking as VP.
I think Hillary is finally awake and conscious of reality. Charlie "And I never had a Bad Day Since" Rangel and Chuck Schumer gave her the the wake up call... "Hillary you're screwing this up for everyone! WTF?!?!?!?"
This is not say she is secretly hoping some racist nut comes out of bag on Obama... But I KNOW Obama wouldn't help her with the debt if there was ANY chance she wasn't fully out of the race.
By the way, when she said "Yes we can..." I got mad. lol
BERLIN (Reuters) - The leader of Germany's Social Democrats (SPD) and the centre-left party's putative chancellor candidate broke with German political custom on Saturday and said he hoped the United States elects Barack Obama in November.
the irony in that is , if im not mistaken, Germany's primeminister is a woman..thats just to funny..in fact it is Angela Markel
At least until 2016ish.
"Hopefully, we just saw the end of the Clintonovs
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I hope you're right, given you've been wrong on so many things! ;)
Just playing d!:)
You'd think she gave the Gettysburg Address according to some folks.
Oh well. She's gone and if Obama is smart he'll send her off to those hinterlands she says she loves so much to fake her way to winning votes for Obama.
I don't like Peggy Noonan but she's right.
Thank God Hillary and Bill are gone.
Rikyrah, yes, I think Rangel gave her the smack down, and I don't think he was the only one.
As for Sheila Jackson Lee, she is largly funded by white people. Who is the talent out there to replace her? I'm not so mad @ Sheila. I think she would support Obama whole heartedly. I would only agree with her being replaced by another AA.
If Hillary had 18 million voters, why didn't they each send her $1 effectively wiping out her debt?
:)
And she delivered it well.
Sounds like Barack's speech writers wrote some of that speech.
She didn't need to mention McCain. It wasn't about him.
Now, let's see what she actually does to try to get Barack elected.
I haven't forgiven her for her campaign, but I can admit that it's time to look forward and she did that with her speech.
I'll get around to forgiveness when I get around to it.
But this was the first step toward unity and I'll always give the devil his due.
I could be picky about a few things (didn't release her delegates, could have said more to legitimize Obama's nomination in the eyes of her supporters). . .
BUT. . .
She said what she had to. The speech was 2/3s Hillary and 1/3 Obama. But the time she spent on Obama was forceful and I appreciate that.
I agree with Olbermann's assessment. The middle of her speech was very powerful on Obama's behalf.
This doesn't erase the things she's done or what she's said. She can't take some of those things back. She's already done a lot of damage to Obama (as proven by the latest Republican ad listing all of Hillary's talking points).
But her speech was a solid first step in a new direction (whatever that direction may be).
It should also be noted that her speech means nothing if she doesn't vigorously campaign on Obama's behalf. But this was a nice first step.
I like how she adopted some of Obama's rhetoric. . . that "Yes We Can" was a nice touch.
So, in the end, I give her speech a thumbs up. My praise is strictly limited to today's speech.
I hope Hillary doesn't take this good press to keep campaigning for v.p. I still think it would be the biggest mistake Obama ever makes if he chooses Hillary as his running mate.
This should be the last we hear from the Clintons. Politically speaking, the appropriate message to the Clintons should go something like this. . .
To quote Lil John: "Don't start no sh*t, won't be no sh*t!"
As long as that's the case, I have no desire to continue any discussions of the Clintons beyond this point. IT'S OVER.
Obama won.
Let's rejoice and focus our attention on the general election.
I'm ready to move on.
OBAMA '08. . . YES WE CAN!
and to go a little deeper, If she can get up off the couch and actually make a serious effort to campaign for BO, then it would be considered a start
Good point. It was important for her to recognize that the process was fair, but she didn't. And she also keeps mentioned 18 million, when her vote was not even close to that. Every time they say 18 million, what they are saying is that they won the popular vote, which is only true if you give her 300k votes in MI and Obama 0 and then don't count IA, WA, NV and ME. But do count Puerto Rico, which is bizarre, because they are a territory.
The sun has come out and I'm feeling kinda optimistic.
Now for phase 2 :)
They will replay the entire speech at 4 pm EST on MSNBC
l clue what "true power" is and how that translates politically. So cute and immature. The bottom line is that "Obama won't win without Hillary"!!! If there is one thing I've learned in the 46 years of being a black woman is that strategy is more important than charisma. Grow up and smell your dismal futures!!P
For the record, I will turn 44 on election day.
The bottom line is that "Obama won't win without Hillary"!!!
I guess me and my fellow Independents, new voters, and crossover Republicans are just a mere drop in the bucket compared to Hillary's loyalists, eh?
Whatever. I'm just glad all this unecessary drama is over and we can put our full energies into the GE.
If that's the case, then the "true power" lies with her..or at least, he doesn't have it yet.
I don't fully understand why she is merely "suspending" her campaign, but if it has to do with helping her get those huge debts paid off then that's ok; if it turns out she tries to use it as a way to get on the ticket....well, that would be unacceptable. I will hold out hope that she just needs to keep going, technically, so she can put donations toward the debt.
I feel a pretty strong sense of closure, though, and that is nice. Obama is our nominee. No doubt about that. Long road, etc. between now and November---but we get to pour our hearts into it and do all we can to get out the vote.
Can you even imagine inauguration day if it's Obama's voice making that solemn pledge?? This is our time. This is our chance. Amazing.
I am a mediator by profession, and know that the opponent is disarmed by inclusion; when the opponents can buy in to a common goal, the conflict can be diminished. What we saw today is the beginning of the process. BATNA is the "best alternative to a negotiated agreement" ... and is the foundation of successful resolution... it also means we won't get what we want (i.e., hilary groveling as we all wish and "know" she should!), but what we do get is the chance at some of those (inflated) 18 million votes. And face it, grovel is not in hilary's repertoire...
I'm sure all of you anti-Clinton bloggers are under 30 and have no rea
l clue what "true power" is and how that translates politically.
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Yawn. Hillary Clinton obviously had no clue what "real power" was either and she didn't have it. Because if she did have "real power", all those superdelegates wouldn't have been running over to the Obama side, thus helping him to be the Democratic nominee.
Nope, the plastic has been taken off the sofa, and the Clintons got shellshocked when they found out how little "juice and power" they really have.
You really don't have very much "real power" if people who have known you for years and years are running over to the newbie's side.
If anyone has "real power" in this situation, it's Charlie Rangel who told Hillary to sit that ass down and she said "Ofay." Everybody else, Pelosi, Dean, Reid, her own top insiders told her to sit down and she said "whatever" and kept going. Rangel told her "Sit Hillary Sit" and Hillary sat that ass right on down.
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That's a wrap.
That's what *I* saw on MSNBC (as an OWW4O), and that's what the MSNBC pundits saw, as well. Didn't look to me like she had any conditions attached; even sounded like she was gonna go back to the Senate and let the historians take it from here. She redeemed herself today with ME; might take others a little more time, just as it might take her supporters a little more time to fall in behind Obama.
Absorb your enemies, give them a taste of the spoils and march on. Hell, if we could ally with Josef Stalin in WW2 to beat Hitler, then appropriating Hillary's disciples and casual voters is possible.
I'm not equating McCain with Hilter. Rather...the folks now behind him, reluctantly allied with him.
Now the word should go out for every preacher and activist, from Rev Wright to Spike Lee, to keep their damn mouths shut till Nov. 10, 2008...and that includes shutting Bill Clinton in a room that long!
With that said, it is indeed time for change..Change the topic, and lets focus on that guy who confuses Sunni and Shia, and who spent his 70 something or another birthday eating cake while millions in the Gulf Coast lost everything..
Obama/Sebelius 08
Over @ the Field, they loved her speech. It's not that I want her to grovel, it's that I want her to show more honesty & humility. Given her particular disorder, I guess it's not possible. As far as being punched in the gut,she insulted my WHOLE race, which to me was harsh. She & bill said things that cannot be unsaid, & as smoothie pointed out, they are being replayed in an endless loop on the republican website. They were advertising the website on CNN yesterday. It's no secret that she wants to run in 2012, which is why she was willing to sacrifice her standing in the AA community, & whty she was willing to say that which can't be unsaid.
I am also furious/frustrated over what I perceive to be the coddling of her by the MSM inspite of her low down, dirty campaign. I perceive it to be false & unfair & it reeks of entitlement & white privilege. To hear all day, every day how great she is and how much she has done for women (ain't I a woman?) or whats next for hillary? or the perpetuation of the lie that she won the popular vote (wtf!!!!), that she "deserved her day" on the night Obama won the nomination, she needs time to heal because this was so hard on her....I need time to heal too. You all are going to have to cut me some slack, because having the covert racism become overt has been psychically injurious to me. I know I'm not the only one, but gosh, I'm just a black woman. We need to offer the healing balm to hillary's followers because they are upset & traumatized. I guess I'm feeling more Malcolm than Martin right now. Sorry if I discourage anyone here.
How Hillary Clinton's power play failed
By Tim Shipman
Last Updated: 11:01am BST 07/06/2008
On Tuesday night, as his wife Hillary's hopes of winning the Democratic presidential nomination were going the way of the Titanic, Bill Clinton was on his mobile telephone.
He was not discussing how Mrs Clinton could leave the race with dignity and congratulate Barack Obama on his historic victory in the primary elections.
Instead, the former president was shouting at his wife's aides urging them to pressure superdelegates to stand by her and cajole others to defect from Mr Obama. It was the political equivalent of rearranging the deckchairs on that doomed ship.
Hillary Clinton's attention was on finalising a concession speech in which she conceded nothing, save her belief that she is still a stronger candidate than Mr Obama.
Many close to the Clintons believe that the events of that night were the inevitable culmination of both Mrs Clinton's dysfunctional campaign and her personality, that the manner of her exit explains all you need to know about the reasons for her demise.
It was all on display: the seemingly boundless quest for power, a self-belief that one pundit dismissed as "deranged narcissism", the disorganised campaign staff and the husband rampaging around like a rogue elephant projecting his own rage on to his wife's bid for the White House.
A Democrat strategist who has close friends at senior levels of the Clinton camp, explained: "Hillary wasn't interested in Obama. She was only interested in her voters. She thought that they were hers to trade for the vice presidency. There was never any discussion of her conceding.
"President Clinton wanted to put the heat on superdelegates. He was full of ideas about how she could fight on. There was shouting and chaos."
Within 24 hours Mrs Clinton was drummed out of the contest, abandoned by her friends who openly voiced exasperation at her refusal to bend her ambition to the good of her party.
The reasons why her historic bid for power failed are still being argued over. She allowed her aides to paint her as an inevitable establishment candidate in a change election. She spent too much money early and unwisely, failed to compete properly in the Iowa caucuses, the first electoral test in January, and then ignored the other caucus states, where Barack Obama ran up the vote. By the time she found her voice, as a defender of the rights of the working class, it was too late.
When you're looking for the moment it went wrong, aides point to the moment in October when Mrs Clinton's chief strategist Mark Penn betrayed a total misunderstanding of the rules that would apportion delegates on a proportional basis in each state.
Peter Fenn, a spokesman for both Al Gore and John Kerry, said: "That's the one meeting I've been hearing about for months. Folks were expressing nervousness about Iowa and the early states. Mark Penn said: 'Don't worry about it because there's Super Tuesday and we'll win 370 delegates out of California.'
"Somebody in the meeting looked across the table and said: 'Hey Mark, it's not winner take all. We don't do it that way.' If that is right, it's devastating. I believe she was ill-served by her campaign operation. There was drama and craziness. They made a whole host of mistakes."
On January 3, Mrs Clinton came third in Iowa. Mark Mellman, a Democratic pollster, said: "They had the money to compete and they allowed themselves to be outspent there by Obama. If Hillary Clinton had won in Iowa the election would have been over the next day."
Mr Fenn blames that loss on message and money mismanagement. "There was the inevitability nonsense. And the fact that they had to go to the Clintons for (an injection of) $5m before Super Tuesday is just unconscionable."
So too was Mr Clinton's contribution. His wife's comeback, begun in New Hampshire, stopped dead in the South Carolina primary, where the former president's clumsy interventions sparked claims of race baiting and drove African American voters into Mr Obama's arms for good.
Peter Fenn said: "Every time he made the slightest statement someone blew it up and discussed it 24/7 on cable news shows for three or four days. That's not the kind of campaign he's used to." Neither Clinton appeared able to grasp the appeal of Mr Obama, stuffily dismissing the hordes of young people who were drawn to the polls as naïve kids who had swallowed the kool aid.
There were attempts to modify that image of Mrs Clinton, but not early enough. The Democrat strategist said: "There was a meeting when everyone said that they had to play up her human side and Mark Penn said that being human was overrated. That's the whole campaign there in that moment, if you ask me."
But it was not just Mrs Clinton's personality that rang false. Before the crucial North Carolina primary, which she had billed as a "game changer" she got caught falsely claiming that she had braved sniper fire on a trip to Bosnia.
The result was indeed a game changer, but not of the kind she had wished for. She lost by more than 20 points and commentators proclaimed her campaign dead. That was on May 6.
But still she did not quit. The final throw of the dice last week saw Mrs Clinton over play her hand again, wielding her votes like weapons, while sanctioning her supporters to press for her to be vice president.
Even her backers were incredulous.
Ed Rendell, the governor of Pennsylvania, and Charlie Rangel, the New York congressman, went public with their dismay. "You don't bargain with the Presidential nominee," Mr Rendell said. "Even if you're Hillary Clinton and you have 18 million votes, you don't bargain."
"It showed a total lack of class," the Democrat strategist said. "They read her the riot act."
In the words of Daniel Koffler of the Huffington Post blog: "The Clintons' power play failed because, like Gorbachev, Honecker, and Ceausescu before them, they grossly miscalculated both the breadth and depth of their power."
That might stand as the perfect epitaph for Hillary Clinton's campaign, were it not for this. For her despairing admirers, it denies the Clintons the genuine credit they are owed for making Mr Obama's victory possible, after years of campaigning for racial equality in the US.
Hilary Rosen, a leading Democrat activist, said: "The life's work of Bill and Hillary Clinton is as responsible for Barack Obama's success as our first African American nominee as anyone. And yet, that joy is being denied for them by themselves. It is so sad."
Oh, and to answer your question, I mediate for the Court.
I haven't seen Hill's speech, but I noticed that all the pictures are of her. She tried to steal the moment if you ask me.
One thing that people might be forgetting about is that Obama has support from a lot of people who might normally vote Republican or Independant. Hillary's implication that Obama can't win without her doesn't take into account all the people from the other two parties that voted for Obama.
-Hillary certainly didn't: Obama won.
AND SHE LOST.
Hell, with all all this going for her, I'm not surprised she'd whine about sexism; better that than focus on her incompetence.
but please, lefties, liberals, democrats, socialists, ALL OF US: please let's not quote the right wing tools to make our case?
clinton did it when she was quoting Fox, when she threw out Karl Rove's analysis of her chances. i've seen peggy "i licked reagan's boots and loved it" noonan quoted on virtually every leftie blog out there.
why?? screw peggy noonan. she never met a democrat she liked, ever. if she's saying seemingly appropriate things now, just wait.
we need to shut these people out, all of these right wing mouthpieces, all of these liars who carry water for the people who don't care if their policies destroy the rest of us.
peggy noonan is scrambling. in her pathetic little mind, she has been on the side of the winners since 1980 and before. for us to have come to the state we're in politically (and in every other way) in this country means that she and her right wing gasbag pals will be LEFT OUT.
let's start now. LEAVE THEM OUT. they have nothing of value to contribute to ANY discussion of what needs to happen in this country. people like her and the politicians she kowtows to have nearly destroyed us. we can't lock them all up, but we certainly don't need to validate them as they now seek to curry favor with the democratic party they have reviled for decades.
before anyone says forgive and forget, get over it: no. no thank you. these people have worked hard to destroy the nation i love and they have nearly wrecked the world. they have blood on their hands and if they had any conscience at all they'd be volunteering to stand before a war crimes tribunal. please don't legitimize their twisted world view by quoting them.
okay. thanks for letting me rant.
Town,
You have been cracking me up.
No Lisa, he should NOT deploy her among Latino's, white working class and women voters! I can't see how obama could utilize her to any great degree without undermining his own run.
"The Democratic Party is divided because the people in charge played fast and loose with the rules, disenfranchising voters in 2 states, discounting the desires of whole segments of the population in favor of the AA and youth vote, and allowing the sexism Hillary encountered to go unchecked.
I will not be voting for Democrats in November except for my Congresswoman, Stephanie Tubbs Jones, who stood with Hillary throughout the campaign.
Thank you, Ms. Tubbs Jones."
And this:
"Take Obama for instance: With everything that has gone on in this campaign, the cheating, manipulation, deception, intimidation, data mining and backroom dealings, is there any thinking person who thinks Obama will be changing the Bush administration? The only change is that this anointed candidate is black which to many is the extent of “CHANGE”. For those who really are not racist enough to look at a person as a human being, Obama is not the answer to our country’s problems.
Then my next question is, how can so-called leaders force him down our throats? Is it because Hillary is Real Change and she has promised to examine/review all govt. contracts, no-bid contracts and everything financial connected with the Iraq war? Is this what really scared the invisible powers running our country? The same ones who control the banks, the insurance companies, the oil consortiums, AND the media?
And so they create this cultist personality and keep people from really thinking, so that they would applaud someone with their votes ala choosing a winner in “Dancing with the Stars” or American Idol?
Not only is the democratic party divided; the whole country has been divided into factions. Hillary has been backed into a corner and pressured into throwing her support behind Obama. But if others like me have sent letters to her campaign, she also knows that our support is non-transferable."
These are some crazy, racist MFers. They defected from DailyKos-thank goodness. Cause if they didn't I wouldn't be able to read their stuff. It's weird.
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/06/07/why-is-the-party-divided/#comments
RE: anti-unity rants. . .
Talk about an alternate reality. Those arguments aren't based in any sense of logic or truth. They're just saying whatever helps them sleep at night.
You can't save some people. Sometimes you gotta let go and let God.
Just take comfort in the fact that we won and they lost. They can lie all they want, but we can't waste time on the Harriet Christians of the world. Although I keep a watchful eye, I refuse to let them waste my time.
I don't doubt that some are truly disappointed and just need time to vent before they come back to their senses. I'm cool with that.
But, at the same time, don't be fooled. You got a lot of haters out there. Don't feed the trolls.
At this point, their only hope is to do everything they can to try and steal your joy. That's all they got left. Don't let them do it. This is history in the making. The victory is sweet and well-earned. Savor the moment and get ready for the general election.
As for the haters???
Go and brush yo' shoulders off!
It's not like they can never do anything good, it's just that it's time for new people to have their turn.
Craig, I noticed that too!
No Lisa, he should NOT deploy her among Latino's, white working class and women voters! I can't see how obama could utilize her to any great degree without undermining his own run.
Caputo probably wasn't offered a job at Camp Obama.....
Clinton Bloc Becomes the Prize for Election Day
Even the Democratic National Committee chairman is avidly trying to make up for accusations that he allowed sexism in the race to pass unchallenged.
“The wounds of sexism need to be the subject of a national discussion,” the chairman, Howard Dean, said in an interview. “Many of the most prominent people on TV behaved like middle schoolers” toward Mrs. Clinton.
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The 350,000 e-mail messages that Mrs. Clinton received after soliciting supporters on Tuesday include “an overwhelming chorus of ‘We want you to continue to be our leader,’ ” said Ann Lewis, a Clinton adviser.
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A classic stage of grief is bargaining, and just as Mrs. Clinton has surely been thinking about what she wants to extract from her run, her supporters have been making their own wish lists. The most popular item, with many online petition signatures behind it, is a spot on Mr. Obama’s ticket.
If he does not offer the vice-presidential position to Mrs. Clinton, “I’m going to be really angry,” said Alida Black, another longtime Clinton supporter.
“Hillary is not interchangeable,” Ms. Black added, warning Mr. Obama not to select, say, Gov. Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas as a gesture to please women.
Former Gov. Madeleine M. Kunin of Vermont suggested in an interview that Mr. Obama promise to appoint women to half his cabinet positions.
Ms. Steinem advised that Mr. Obama deliver the same sort of ambitious speech about sex that he did on race. An aide said the campaign was considering such an address.
Jenny Backus, a Democratic consultant unaffiliated with either campaign, wondered whether Mr. Obama might give Chelsea Clinton a prominent role in his efforts.
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He has belatedly recognized the cries of sexism, Mr. Dean said, particularly when a friend showed him a video compilation of broadcasters’ comments about Mrs. Clinton.
“We all get over it when our candidates don’t win,” he said. “What you don’t get over is feeling like you’ve been insulted by some of the leading institutions in America and no one said anything about it.
what makes you think we are NOT focused on winning in November? I assure you, it is entirely possible to think along two lines at the same time.
The 350,000 e-mail messages that Mrs. Clinton received after soliciting supporters on Tuesday include “an overwhelming chorus of ‘We want you to continue to be our leader,’ ” said Ann Lewis, a Clinton adviser.
Well, that "overwhelming chorus" there just might be based on the fact that the emails were from a form on her site that itself forced anyone signing to say they stand by Ms. Hillary.
After seeing a comment somewhere that that was just a way to try to get more money, I signed on with a bogus email stating my real perspective, even if the form didn't allow me to actually speak it. I did this bc wanted to see if it was true that the form led right to the give money page. It did.
Another thing about that form. It only required email address and zip code. It had fields for names but these were not required.
It didn't care if people gave names. Didn't require it. All it required was email addresses and zip codes to mine for future $ asks.
IMO that whole thing was a big scam and the numbers don't mean s*** as far as I'm concerned. I would take this with a grain of salt. Someone needs to VET this claim.
Also: this? The key, Ms. McCaskill said, is approaching Mrs. Clinton’s supporters with utmost humility.
IMO, they want deference. That is what Black people are supposed to give. Maybe they will prove me wrong on this.
PS No seriously this new DSL thing we have here in my house is fast!
Obama needs to make it clear that he will not be forced to do anything against his will. He's calling the shots now.
He will pick whomever he chooses to be his veep. And, yes, that includes the possibility of picking someone like Gov. Sebelius if he wants. This idea that Hillary's the ONLY woman he can choose is rediculous. Gender has nothing to do with why Obama probably won't pick Hillary. It has everything to do with chemistry and TRUST. . . two traits that he could surely find in another woman who is qualified for the job.
Rachel Maddow had a really good point the other day. She actually thinks that these "angry Clinton supporters" are a lot smaller in number than people think. She thinks that number will shrink dramatically in the coming months. Let's not forget that Obama got over 18 million votes as well. And I'm willing to bet that at least 60% of all Clinton supporter will have no problem backing Obama in the fall. That 60% will increase dramatically over the next few months. The world is bigger than the Harriet Christians of the world. Obama shouldn't waste much time on people like her. . . extend the olive branch; cut your losses and move forward.
Again, this is OBAMA's party now. Think about it. All of those surrogates and Democratic pundits will have no choice but to pivot to the general election to attack McCain and DEFEND Obama. To the victor go the spoils.
This is not about Hillary anymore. And her former surrogates will have a VERY difficult time justifying anything less than the utmost respect and support for their party's nominee, Senator Obama.
Likewise, Hillary will have a lot of explaining to do once the Republicans start using her words against Obama (in fact they've already started). So when the Republicans use the "Commander in Chief" test or 3:00AM ad, guess where all eyes are gonna turn??? That's right. . . they're gonna turn right towards Senator Clinton. She's gonna have to eat a lot of crow this summer. Her political future depends on it.
Finally, I think it'd be a big mistake if Obama made a major speech on gender/sexism. Hillary started talking about sexism in late May when it was clear that she was gonna lose. It was one of her many attempts to deligitimize Obama's victory. A major speech on sexism would basically concede the point . . . "Hillary lost because of sexism" which is the same as saying, "I only won because of sexism" which is the same as saying, "My victory is not legitimate."
I hate to give the following guy credit, but he's right on this one point: Dick Morris always says that the one thing a president has is the ability to set the news cycle. As far as I see it, that same privilege extends to the party nominees. From here on out, Obama (not Clinton) sets the news cycle. . .he sets the direction for the party.
This is on Obama now. He needs to send the talking point that this was a fair process. He needs to make sure that his surrogates (including former Clinton surrogates) exonerate him from any anger her supporters had against the media.
That's ALL surrogates, whether they're long time Obama supporters like Claire McCaskill or former Clinton supporters like Ed Rendell. As of yesterday, they ALL became Obama surrogates. He needs to use them accordingly.
Is there room for moderates in the Daily Kos/moveon/code pink party?
Not if you listen to the far-left wing of the party who think they own the party lock, stock and barrel, and who will kick out members of their own party who do not tow their line.
Joe Leiberman was handed his hat and kicked out the door by anti-war activists. Do you think he is alone in his thinking and positions on the war and foreign policy? Now he has announced the creation of "Citizens for McCain," hoping bring moderates to McCain.
Women who voted for Hillary primarily to advance the feminist cause, will vote Obama.
But what about moderate Democrats?
When compared to Obama, is McCain such an unacceptable choice?