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Jack and Jill Politics: Hillary, The Susan B. Anthony, John Brown And Fannie Lou Hamer Of The Florida Primary?

  • Town · 1 year ago
    I thought the road to the White House ran through West Virginia? Is this new road to the White House like 495 or something?
  • Against Race Politics · 1 year ago
    From Freedom4um. If you have already read this last month then I apologize for the duplicate in advance. If this doesn't prove that all this Clinton BS is for political expediency then what does?!?!?!


    Title: Clinton Campaign Chair Threatened to Strip Michigan of Delegates in 2004

    Source: ABC News

    URL Source: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04... Apr 26, 2008

    Author: Jake Tapper

    Post Date: 2008-04-27 14:44:22 by nolu_chan

    Keywords: None

    Views: 25

    Comments: 2





    blogs.abcnews.com/politic...8/04/clinton-campa-1.html



    Clinton Campaign Chair Threatened to Strip Michigan of Delegates in 2004



    Jake Tapper

    ABC News Senior National Correspondent

    April 26, 2008 5:33 PM



    Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., has staked her path to the Democratic nomination on the officially illegitimate contests held in Michigan and Florida somehow being recognized, in opposition to Democratic National Committee rules.



    What's so remarkable about this is that two of the Clinton campaign's most important strategists have in the past taken the stand that these states should abide by the DNC's instructions -- even if that meant stripping them of their delegates.



    In direct contrast to the positions they hold now.



    Senior strategist Harold Ickes as a DNC Rules Committee member in 2007 voted -- along with the other 11 Clinton supporters on the 30-member committee -- to strip Michigan and Florida of their delegates as punishment for disobeying the DNC primary calendar schedule.



    Ickes now is a leader of the "count Michigan and Florida" rhetoric coming from the Clinton campaign, despite his previous position.



    Now comes this curious find, on Daily Kos.



    It turns out that irrepressible Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe once -- when he was DNC chairman -- threatened to strip Michigan of delegates if that state's Democrats carried out their long-time goal of disobeying the DNC calendar.



    In his lively book, "What A Party!: My Life Among Democrats: Presidents, Candidates, Donors, Activists, Alligators and Other Wild Animals," McAuliffe tells the tale. If you're an Amazon.com member, you can read the passage for yourself on pages 324 and 325.



    McAuliffe at the time had been pushing for early contests for South Carolina and a Western state with a large Latino population, perhaps Arizona or New Mexico.



    "Our plan became very controversial," McAuliffe writes. "Some people thought any change was bad. Others thought we were not shaking things up enough. Leading the charge for more radical alterations in the primary calendar was Michigan Senator Carl Levin, who thought Iowa and New Hampshire should not have exclusive rights on voting first and that it was time for other states to have a turn. He had pushed unsuccessfully for change before the 2000 elections and was back in full force this election cycle. He made it very clear on the telephone that if I allowed Iowa and New Hampshire to go first, then Michigan was going to act on its own and put its primary first."



    McAuliffe invited Levin to make his argument before the full DNC meeting on Jan. 19, 2002. Levin did, and his motion was defeated by a unanimous vote.



    "After the vote, the issue was settled in my mind -- however, not in Carl's," McAuliffe writes.



    On Feb. 1, 2003, Levin, Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., and Dingell's wife Debbie (a DNC member and power broker unto herself) called McAuliffe.



    "They told me they were going to hold the Michigan primary before New Hampshire's," McAuliffe writes, "which would have led to complete chaos since New Hampshire has a law stating that it must hold the first primary and the DNC had already voted on this issue and settled it.



    "'If you do that, I will take away 50 percent of your delegates,' I told him.



    "They thought I was bluffing. But it was my responsibility as chairman to take action for the good of the party, and taking away half their delegates was well within my authority...The whole primary calendar was in danger of spinning out of control. The candidates kept calling me and asking what was happening with the schedule, and I made it clear that I was not going to let Michigan throw the entire process out of whack. Finally I'd had enough and scheduled a meeting in Carl's Senate office for April 2 to settle this once and for all...



    "Soon Carl and I were going at it.



    "'I'm going outside the primary window,' he told me definitively.



    "'If I allow you to do that, the whole system collapses,' I said. 'We will have chaos. I let you make your case to the DNC, and we voted unanimously and you lost.'



    "He kept insisting that they were going to move up Michigan on their own, even though if they did that, they would lose half their delegates. By that point Carl and I were leaning toward each other over a table in the middle of the room, shouting and dropping the occasional expletive.



    "'You won't deny us seats at the convention,' he said.



    "'Carl, take it to the bank,' I said. 'They will not get a credential. The closest they'll get to Boston will be watching it on television. I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules. If you want to call my bluff, Carl, you go ahead and do it.'



    "We glared at each other some more, but there was nothing much left to say. I was holding all the cards and Levin knew it."



    Clinton herself said, in October 2007, "It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything." She said she was keeping her name on the ballot (unlike her competitors) just so when it came time for the general election she could argue she had not ignored the state.



    It wasn't until Clinton lost the Iowa caucuses in January that she acted as if the Florida and Michigan contests had any meaning at all. As Tallahassee political journalist S.V. Dáte recently wrote in Slate, "Last summer and fall, when the DNC made these decisions, she had a lot more clout. She exercised none of it."



    As for Ickes and McAuliffe -- they have exercised a great deal of clout. But it has been in the name of preserving order, even if that meant stripping recalcitrant state Democrats of their delegates.



    As McAuliffe said then -- "the rules are the rules."



    Why? "For the good of the party," he wrote (then).



    - jpt
  • Ms.Martin · 1 year ago
    I no longer blame Hillary - it would be tantamount to holding a insane person legally responsible for a crime they didn't know they were committing.


    I turn my attention to, blame and disgust towards the DNC. I will forever hold them responsible for this horrific mess they have allowed to culminate.



    They wanted to give the crazy one space and all they have done is give a clearly delusional and irresponsible person a platform to display schizophrenic tendicies. The voices in her head propel her on and we watch in horror!
  • bpm · 1 year ago
    Ms.Martin, do you mean the elected superdelegates (senate, house members, and governors) instead of the DNC? They are not equivalent. Howard dean asked superdelegates to come out and declare their choice about six weeks ago, which showed how powerless the DNC is for this particular crisis.
  • tvanel · 1 year ago
    Only the superdelegates can put a stop to this madness, but they are unwilling to step in and provide Mrs. Clinton the ammunition she needs to fuel the speculation that the primaries were shut down by the “good ole boys network”. The DNC is being held hostage for the next two weeks and Clinton is free to do her dirty work. The Rules and Bylaws Committee meets on May 31st and the MI and FLA delegates will be seated. What happens between now and May 31st is anyone's guest but she will continue to make the case to fully seat Michigan and Florida to create the sense that the nomination was not lost but stolen by Obama and the superdelegates.


    Shortly after June 3rd she will concede and make a perfunctory attempt at party unity by throwing her arms around Obama while secretly hoping for disaster allowing her triumphant return in 2012. The key is wishing for an implosion at the convention or a mass desertion by her supporters in November without appearing to be culprit of this sinister plan
  • NMP · 1 year ago
    "I can neither scream any louder nor spew profanities more vile than those I've already uttered aloud and to myself."


    I've cussed her name in so many ways I'm now simply saying "that bitch!" at the mention of her name.



    She reduced the greatest genocide and injustice in world history to a political quest for individual power!



    How can any negro that continues to support her looks themselves in the mirror?!
  • Pamela · 1 year ago
    Yep, it's official. Hillary is bat shit crazy.
  • Bronze Trinity · 1 year ago
    If Hillary is the nominee only then will it be like Zimbabwe. Because then the person who followed all the rules and got the most votes would have lost. Hillary would have won by using dirty politics including counting delegates from a state where the other candidate wasn't even running. That would be cheating the voters. This person is definitely unfit to lead the US.
  • Kat · 1 year ago
    I look at Hillary the way I look at two year olds throwing tantrums in the mall. I feel very sorry for the people having to deal with her, and keep walking.


    I think that Obama is going to release a few superdels between now and June 3rd, and then let the pledged delegates set him over the top.
  • Ms.Martin · 1 year ago
    Bpm


    Yes, I meant the superdelegates.
  • RhondaCoca · 1 year ago
    Oh boy! Did you guys here about those Florida Democrats who are suing because they refuse to count their votes and seat the delegates.


    Hillary is embarassing.



    Can someone slap Jonathan Capehart.
  • Trula · 1 year ago
    @nmp: did you see Stepahine Tubbs-Jones' last speech for Hillary? It was sad to watch, you could almost see the mental contortions she was going though to make Hillary's actions all ok in her mind.
  • Ronnie B · 1 year ago
    DEMOCRATS (MEANING BILLARY) FILE SUIT TO SEAT FLORIDA DELEGATES


    She's trying to hold the nomination hostage, y'all.
  • justice58 · 1 year ago
    "Can someone slap Jonathan Capehart
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    I've wanted to for sooooo long!
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    There's more to that Zimbabwe reference than meets the eye. Obama had a black African father. Hillary is using the dog whistle again. He's "alien", not one of us, if we open this door to THOSE people, the USA will become like an African dictatorship.
    She is calling to that tiny fear deep inside some white Americans.



    There is no hell for Hillary to go to, except the one she's created for others.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    What did Capehart do now?
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    truthseeker,


    what does that horn-rimmed pansy usually do?



    be a handkerchief head.



    PS- Jack, great post!
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    I've been too embarrassed to ask, what exactly is a handkerchief head?


    @ ronnie b,



    Geller is the one on the YouTube video mocking the DNC over moving up the primary date I think:



    http://youtube.com/watch?v=r25wUeMAwdE
  • tvanel · 1 year ago
    Truth here ya go:


    Handkerchief-head: sycophant type of Negro; also an Uncle Tom





    http://aalbc.com/authors/harlemslang.htm
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Thanks tvanel...


    syc·o·phant:



    a self-seeking, servile flatterer; fawning parasite.



    —Synonyms toady, yes man, flunky, fawner, flatterer.



    My personal favourite is "fawning parasite". I pray I shall never become this.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    I'm kinda disappointed in the definition of "handkerchiefhead". I was hoping for something more exotic.
  • Jill Tubman · 1 year ago
    Great post Jack. Really -- it's way past time for the remaining super-delegates to end this and give Obama the few remaining votes he needs to clinch the nomination. Clinton -- exit stage right.
  • PTCruiser · 1 year ago
    I thought I was the only one who thought that Jonathan Capeheart was a sycophantic dullard too afraid of losing his job with Fred Hiatt and the Washington Post to say something real. If this so-called brother had an original thought it would die of loneliness.
  • justice58 · 1 year ago
    " If this so-called brother had an original thought it would die of loneliness.
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    ahahahahahahahahahaha



    Too funny!
  • Ms.Martin · 1 year ago
    PTcrusier


    I knew it was something besides Capehart's momma's boyish demeanor that bothered me.



    That's it he doesn't have an original thought (I've never really listened to him consistently enough to arrive at that conclusion on my own), I realized that today, while I listend to him report the news that was handed to him by Clinton and Quinnipac as opposed to digging deeper and offering varying sides.
  • SquarePeg · 1 year ago
    The Democratic nominee was never going to win Kentucky or West Virginia in the first place, so to keep claiming that they are essential to the Democratic party in order to win the presidency is delusional. Those people will vote against their own self-interest and continue to live in the squalor, their children not receiving the health care they need, their schools not fully funded or receiving adequate supplies or equipment in order for them to enter the 21 first century, let alone track environmentally acceptable jobs to an area that sorely needs them in light of corporations outsourcing their jobs, will not vote for a Black man no matter what. Now that's what I call insanity.


    They will vote for John McCain as he looks them squarely in the face and tells them to f@$# themselves, and they will happily do it as long as they keep that Black man out of the White House. Yes, we will keep living these desperate lives and blame everybody else for our predictaments, but damn it, we kept that Black man out of the office.



    That's the vote Hillary is counting on, even as she dishonors every person all over this world especially the ones in this country who have been killed advocating for their right to vote. She is past disgraceful and for any of US to continue to support her shows a lack of self-interest, self-worth, and deep, deep denial of what you see before you.



    You Black Hillary Clinton backers, do you still think she deserves to win?
  • NMP · 1 year ago
    Rhondacoca,


    I can't STAND Johanthan Capehart!!! Listening to him co-sign criticism of Senator Obama as coming off as elitist and out of touch with 'working class' whites was excrutiating! Come the fuck on, a black gay man with a fake Madonna like English accent sporting a $200 silk tie with a windsor knot calling another black man out of touch with white folks!
  • NMP · 1 year ago
    The Clinton Campaign is proposing that nearly 100,000 African Americans who voted "uncommitted" in Michigan for Senator Obama should not count. Where the fuck is John Conyers and other MI African American supporters to protest this?!
  • Ms.Martin · 1 year ago
    squarepeg


    I'm with you, it's f***ing mind boggling how blacks could support her.



    Really it's mind boggling that anyone would support her after the way this thing has played out.
  • Ms.Martin · 1 year ago
    MSNBC is broadcasting live coverage of SBO's speech in Boca Raton
  • heartsandflowers · 1 year ago
    I think this is a good idea because I feel we're all being whipped into a frenzy over this latest Operation Chaos.
  • ListenToLeon · 1 year ago
    Excellent, well-written entry! It's about time for the rest of America to wake up and realize that Hillary Clinton will say ANYTHING in order to win.
  • Jada · 1 year ago
    On HRC I have run out of words and patience. 'Despicable and disgusting' is all that I can choke up.


    In short, a monster with several heads!