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Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

Miss Profe — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:37:00 -0000

I think you said it best re: Christopher Hitchens: Arrogant *and* ignorant. Another one who is impressed with his own entertainment value.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

Rich — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:06:00 -0000

comiskey,

The boy's name was Lenard Clark. He made the mistake of riding his bike near Comiskey Park. He was 13 years old when it happened. Two of the white boys who beat Clark were not sentenced to prison.

Frank Caruso Jr. was sentenced to eight years. His family has ties to The Outift, what people in the rest of the country call the mafia. The judge who sentenced Caruso had a contract put out on his life by the Outfit.

Chicago is still a VERY segregated city. And Bridgeport is still a provincial, insulated neighborhood.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

comiskey — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:05:00 -0000

rikyrah, you wrote:

"Remember that sweet little Black boy who got his brains bashed in with the baseball bat, what, only FIVE years ago...and the only crime he did was that he was Black in Bridgeport."

Can you provide a source for this? A news item perhaps.

There's always more to the story than what you've suggested here.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

TruthSeeker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:31:00 -0000

@ anonymous 7:07,

The bible supports war. In addition to being about oil, the Iraqi occupation is also about religion. It was an easy target in the sense that it's army was virtually non-existent and it's Muslim population cowed by a dictator and economic sanctions. What better Muslim country to occupy than Iraq?

Evangelicals support the war based on Judeo-Christian, anti-Muslim beliefs. They are trying to bring about so-called end time events.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

rikyrah — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:16:00 -0000

Kim,

I know it was a long post, but I had been holding in a lot...I'll do better in the future.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

Anonymous — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:07:00 -0000

Martin Luther King said that the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil in this world is for good men to do nothing.

Where were all the white pastors who did not speak out against the Iraq war? Who did not speak out against Abu Ghraib?

I realize that some white pastors did speak out against these evils, but many conservative evangelical pastors said nothing. They should have been shouting from the top of their lungs.

These pastors have more to answer for than Rev Wright ever will.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

Kim — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:48:00 -0000

At some point I hope you become more succinct in your presentation of issues and arguments. You need to learn how to get to the point in 250 words or less. Your long-drawn out tirade reads like the rantings of an irrational person with nothing better to with her time than write verbose letters.

Do you really think anyone is going to read that with an open mind?

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

Anonymous — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:29:00 -0000

Damn.... you said everything I was thing and then some.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

rikyrah — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:23:00 -0000

J said...
There's a reason Bridgeport is still 1% black after all these years and no matter how rich white people like Hitchen's want to wish away the problems which create the need for people like Meeks, Wright, & Pfleger their wishes aren't coming true any time soon.

If only Hitchen's would put on some Blackface and ride his bike through Bridgeport. Then he'd see.

J,

who you telling?

Remember that sweet little Black boy who got his brains bashed in with the baseball bat, what, only FIVE years ago...and the only crime he did was that he was Black in Bridgeport.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

rikyrah — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:20:00 -0000

Anonymous 1:31,

They are hardly ' radical'. That's my point. They have to don the 'outsider' role to be effective. They are very mainstream in Chicago. Don't you get the theme yet: Meeks runs probably the LARGEST church...Wright runs a MEGACHURCH....Pfleger runs the LARGEST Black Catholic Church not only in the city, but one of the largest in the COUNTRY....How are these folks ' radical'. By the very nature of their success - they are mainstream.

They get things done.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

andy — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:45:00 -0000

dear jack and jill, i am still waiting for the always condescending and pompous and sometimes inebriated christopher hichens to acknowledge that he might have been a wee bit wrong about the iraq war and those of us anti war hippies might have been on to something back in 2002....oh well!

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

comiskey — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:19:00 -0000

I learned something from that letter. I learned how dangerous it once was for blacks during those dates when the White Sox played home games. Till reading the letter I did not know the risk black residents faced when white fans swarmed through the neighborhood going to and from games.

It never occurred to me that those white fans had the audacity to go to the South Side to commit crimes against the black residents living near the ballpark. It's as though the whites used baseball games as an excuse to exercise their brutal racist urges. Horrible.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

Kat — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:55:00 -0000

Truthseeker,

Anon has been posting these "concerns" for the past few days now.

By the way, anon, if you click on the "name" choice under "choose an identity" you can stop posting as anon.

But I don't think you will.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

TruthSeeker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:37:00 -0000

@ Anonymous,

while white America ponders the danger of so-called black radicals...China is quietly pwning your asses. If black radicals had the desire to harm white America, you would have been toast long ago. Yes, Barack will face those silly questions when they present themselves...but really, what a waste and a distraction!

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

Craig Hickman — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:24:00 -0000

Anonymous, he'll cross the bridge when he gets to it.

And he will get to it. And he will cross it.

Just watch.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

Anonymous — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:10:00 -0000

This will be the line of attack.

Like it or not, white moderates and independents will decide this election.

What will be the defense of Obama's judgment regarding his radical and or corrupt personal, religious and political associations?

How does shooting the messenger help Obama?

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

Ms.Martin — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:08:00 -0000

J-

Hitchens doesn't need to go blackface to understand. He knows - it's a conversation that's had freely in unmixed company.

That's what kills me about people who claim that racism doesn't exist, they know better than blacks that it does!

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

Ms.Martin — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:04:00 -0000

Anon:

Slavery and Colonialism were very radical.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:03:00 -0000

There's a reason Bridgeport is still 1% black after all these years and no matter how rich white people like Hitchen's want to wish away the problems which create the need for people like Meeks, Wright, & Pfleger their wishes aren't coming true any time soon.

If only Hitchen's would put on some Blackface and ride his bike through Bridgeport. Then he'd see.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

TruthSeeker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:45:00 -0000

@ anonymous

I see you've been feeding at the Fox News trough. Why do you ask if he's trying to bamboozle white voters rather than just all voters?

I have news for you, America IS radical:

Preachers who rail against homosexuals and abortion and great whores of Babylon. Polygamist cults. Mormonism. Fox News. Republican ideology, tax cuts for all. Vilifying of Universal Health care. Struggles over whether to elect a woman or black man while the rest of the world has moved on..long ago. Rejection of science and evolution.

It is impossible to exist in America without crossing paths with nutjobs. It is whether you believe you own mythology instead of the reality.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

Anonymous — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:31:00 -0000

The main theme not being discussed is that all of these preachers and south side politicians are not just liberal, they are radical. They will be used, along with home grown terrorist bomber turned professor, William Ayers to shown a pattern of association with RADICALS. Combine this with the corrupt Chicago politic of Tony Rezko, et al and Obama has a lot of explaining to do.

Are these assocition simply 'boneheaded' mistakes? Does he really share in part, or on the whole their ideology? Is he really a new type of politican or is he trying to bamboozle white voters?

These connections, if isolated incidents, could perhaps be brushed aside. But Obama will be hammered for a pattern of maintaining Radical associations.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

Baldwin Park Democrat — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:42:00 -0000

I hope they all read it.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

justice58 — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:28:00 -0000

Rikyrah always bring it!

I love it!

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

NMP — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:24:00 -0000

Thanks, Rikyrah!

As pissed as I get when I read such racist venom from Hitchens, Pat Buchanan, and Cohen of WaPo, it pales in comparison to the anger I feel at so-called race men who invest more time in tearing down Obama because he's not sufficiently committed to Black folks--in their estimation--but say nothing about these type of columns that would make George Wallace say, "damn!"

Pat Buchanan's column was the most overtly racist piece of opinion "journalism" that has been pubished since opposition to the end of segregation, and the Black political and social pulpits have been completely silent!

He was back on the air yesterday goofing it up with Joe Scarborough then Dan Abrams later in the day.

It's astounding!

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

Tami — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:55:00 -0000

(Tami standing up and applauding loudly for rikyrah)

Well done!

As a black woman who grew up in the Chicagoland area (well, NW Indiana actually), lived in Chicago for nearly a decade, and was a active member of Trinity United Church of Christ, I say BRAVO!

I've really had enough of the recent glut of white talking heads analyzing black people and black culture, based on little or no knowledge.