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  Anonymous

  1 year ago

  HELL NO!
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  NMP

  1 year ago

  I'm with you! I've had enough! And I'm damned sure not going to cave to this new argument that Obama would risk the Latino vote. Fuck them! We've given too much to this country and Party to now be told that our time is past because the new majority minority won't vote for a Black man. Fuck them and the Democratic Party! Let Pat Buchanan and the Lou Dobbs ship their asses back across the border for all I care at this point.
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  Ronnie B

  1 year ago

  The next time Hillary's White Kids roll up on you talking about "party unity", ask them this:
  
  
  If, according to you, I shouldn't support Barack Obama just because he's Black, then why should I support Hillary Clinton just because she's a Democrat?
  
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  Nadra

  1 year ago

  Jesse Jackson argues that we should vote for Hillary (if she is the nominee) because civil rights would be in danger if we let a Republican win the presidency. That may be true, but we have to make a statement that race-baiting will not be tolerated, nor will religion-baiting, for that matter. I wrote an article during the 2004 presidential election analyzing the number of youth who turned out to vote. I received an angry letter-to-the-editor saying that people have the right not to vote, also. Now, I know this to be true. While black children, men and women were viciously attacked and even killed as they fought for the right to vote in the 1950s and '60s, I believe that it is now time for us to exerise the right not to vote. McCain grows more and more like Bush everyday, even changing his position on what constitutes torture. A vote for him would eat away with me, as would a vote for Hillary, who in addition to being corrupt, in my opinion, has engaged in the politics of destruction and division.
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  Big Man

  1 year ago

  Don't bust a blood vessel girl.
  
  
  But, I feel your pain for real.
  
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  michelle

  1 year ago

  I agree. The Republicans at least have the decency to say "We hate you all" out loud and clear.
  
  
  The Democratic party can sit and spin on this one.
  
  
  
  Black people have never (and some would argue will never) have it good in this system no matter what party is in charge.
  
  
  
  This government has laws on the books to disenfranchise us and the Democratic party has done little to nothing to change those laws.
  
  
  
  All we are to them are political pawns.
  
  
  
  So I totally agree. If I do deign to vote-it will be for Nader.
  
  
  
  I was a registered Independent and will go back to being one after this shambles of an election is over.
  
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  Anonymous

  1 year ago

  Heck, I'm white and Hillary's blatantly racist campaign has insured that I will NEVER vote for her. If the Democrats don't have the spine to use the cover that Obama's pledged delegates will give them to shut her down, then they deserve McCain as President.
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  B-Serious

  1 year ago

  Sans the name calling, I feel what you're saying.
  
  
  But beware. Don't get painted as "angry black" folk. You know that's why they do it. I have no problem with passion, but don't fall for the trap. The point of race-baiting is to get inside your head. Don't let them do it. It can be counterproductive.
  
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  Anonymous

  1 year ago

  Hillary has shown her utter disdain and disregard for the black community...again, and again, and again.
  
  
  How many passes does she get?
  
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  B-Serious

  1 year ago

  @nmp
  
  
  Respectfully, I know both groups have their differences. And I'm not advocating that we put on blinders and ignore the issues that we have. But, at the end of the day, the black/brown coalition is something that we should work towards. If they're voting, then they're just as American as you or I. Shippin them back accross the boarder is like having them say that we should go back to Africa.
  
  
  
  I understand that Hillary has done some messed up things. But let's keep the focus . . .channel that energy to beat Hillary in this primary season and do your best to take back the Democratic party.
  
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  Anonymous

  1 year ago

  When George Allen was running for Senate from VA against Jim Webb, and made that "macaca" comment to a young Indian-American, most Indian-Americans (myself included) set aside our party differences. IA's tend to be about a 55-45 split between Democrats and Republicans, but we were 100% pissed at Allen. Money and volunteers started to flow to Jim Webb, who later when on to beat Allen, the man Republicans thought would be their nominee in 2008. Were we the tipping point, I can't say for sure. But we sure as hell would not let the issue fade from memory. After Allen lost, I paraphrased a line from the film Munich - "Don't fuck with the Indians."
  
  
  Don't buy that "Good for the party" crap.
  
  
  
  - KXB
  
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  Anonymous

  1 year ago

  I'm one angry white guy. I can't bear the race-baiting.
  
  
  I posted this on Kos. I cannot bring myself to vote for her. I will vote for every other Democrat on the ticket and even fork over a few bones to a few of the candidates.
  
  
  
  Hillary Clinton can go straight to Hell for her racism.
  
  
  
  Fortunately, I don't think it will be an issue as Senator Obama will be the nominee in all likelihood.
  
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  Ibn Warraq

  1 year ago

  I'm not black, but I'm Iranian and I can understand how you feel. Just keep this in mind. HILLARY CAN'T WIN. Let me repeat that, HILLARY CAN'T WIN. Jon Alter did a piece on in using Slate's delegate counter before yesterday. He pointed out even if she won all four states on Tuesday by blow out margins and then won EVERY SINGLE STATE before the convention by blowout margins(which would include states like Mississippi and North Carolina which she has zero chance of winning) AND have Florida and Michigan seated she would still have fewer pledged delegates than him.
  
  
  Now, does that mean that the Superdelegates can't go for her. Obviously they still can in theory but the Democratic Party leadership has made it clear they won't allow this to happen.
  
  
  
  Honestly, at this point I think what no one has reallized is that Hillary knows she's lost. What she's doing is trying to put Obama in a position where he has two choices, either make her VP or endure a bloody floor battle on the floor of the convention which he will win, but will leave him damaged.
  
  
  
  Hopefully, Obama won't go this route.
  
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  bryllynt

  1 year ago

  I'm new to posting here at jjpolitics, but I've been reading for a few weeks now. So happy to have found this blog!
  
  
  I feel perfectly comfortable with my decision not to vote for the Democratic nominee should that person turn out to be HRC. I have followed this race very closely, and watched with anger and disbelief as HRC says that she would not want to inject race or gender into this campaign, then proceeds to play both her gender and Obama's race like a f***ing fiddle. I know it's not over, and that Obama has a good delegate lead, but so much that has passed in recent days makes me so disappointed in my fellow Americans--their willingness to fall for Hillary's fear tactics and outright LIES, the media's bias TOWARD HRC, their negative treatment of Michelle Obama (can't handle a sista!), the unwillingness of so many Latinos to vote for a Black man--I could go on and on. I fear this election is bringing out years of surpressed black rage in me. Does this count as group therapy?
  
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  Anonymous

  1 year ago

  Barack doesn't have to make her VP at all. He could pick Sebelius to placate the angry women. She has no leverage.
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  IdeaSharer

  1 year ago

  Don't lose hope. Obama is still winning and will probably have an even greater delegate lead by the convention. Keep focused. Keep up the fight.
  
  
  Also, don't write off the Latino vote to racism. I don't understand why, but I think Latinos are genuinely fired up by Clinton. It doesn't make sense that people would come out in much higher levels than normal just to vote against somebody out of racism. In any rate, we are going to need them to vote for Obama come November.
  
  
  
  Obama has built a great ground campaign - now that campaign needs to figure out how to communicate to the less educated, poorer sections of the party. So much of his support has come from the educated and we simply run in different circles. We need to expand our circles.
  
  
  
  It seems like a lot of people these days think that cynicism is a sign of intelligence. It is not. It is intelligent to be skeptical, to question, but not to be cynical. Cynicism shows lack of creativity and imagination - key components in intelligence.
  
  
  
  Obama's campaign believed that a bottom up campaign featuring a new comer could take down one of the strongest political families in history. The cynics said this wasn't possible. And you know what? They are wrong. He is still ahead in votes and will be by the time the convention arrives. More than 1 million people have contributed to his campaign and he has a generation of young people ready to work for him in the fall. How did he do that - by being positive and offering hope. Stay positive folks. This is just a minor setback.
  
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  Anonymous

  1 year ago

  For crying out loud the Supreme Court is so far to the right already, that it does not matter who is elected, its going to be "conservative and right wing' for the next 50 years.
  
  
  Jesse Jackson? Since when has he had any credibility, other than getting money in his pockets?
  
  
  
  party unity? Voting for HRC would akin to voting for Trent Lott, George Wallace or Strom Thurman. So,no sorry, if she is the nominee, life goes on as it has the past 8 years, with a useless GOP led government which has made it clear, black Americans aren't welcomed, or just about anyone not white, so, I won't vote for her. She has made Obama come off as if he were Willie Horton in states where she knew it would work, and, sorry, that is lame, unethical, and shows just who she is as a person.
  
  
  
  At this point, anybody but Hillary Clinton!
  
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  Anonymous

  1 year ago

  I feel you. I'm one of those that used to be more like your mother and your sister, a "good democrat", but no more. My 20, 21, and 22 year old children feel the same way you do, so it must be generational. I am Black and I'm Proud, I'm reminded of the late great James Brown's lyrics:
  I don't want nobody to give me nothing. Open up the door and I'll get it myself".
  
  We need to get off our knees and walk proudly. If black folks can survive Nixon, Reagan, Bush I and Dubya, we can survive McCain. I just hate that our sons and daughters serving in Iraq will probably be there for 100 years, trillions of tax dollars will be spent in Iraq and the Katrina survivors will never get home again, not to mention Scooter Libby/Jena justice.
  
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  Anonymous

  1 year ago

  I'm only speaking for a small contingency of white voters in Oregon, but there is real solidarity on this one. We will not vote for a race-baiting, fear-mongering candidate that uses filth and smear. We certainly cannot vote for McCain, but if HRC is the Dem nominee (which I doubt she will be -- but trickery is always afoot with that family) we will either only vote in local elections and skip the presidential vote or vote third party.
  
  
  Oh, and by the way, Obama cannot get dirty with his attacks. But the internet can. Marc Rich. Google him. Pardon for sale. Donated huge $$ to Clinton Library. His lawyer? Scooter Libby. We can be the attack dogs.
  
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  Kellybelle

  1 year ago

  I feel you on this one. There is no voting for her.
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  Tami

  1 year ago

  You know, I have said over the last several months that I would support the Dem candidate, whoever it was. In fact, I said it on my blog today. But it doesn't feel right. I have lost all respect for the Clintons. Their behavior ought not be rewarded. But I also worry about having a Republican, even an allegedly liberal one, in the White House. I worry about the war. I worry about my reproductive rights. This election has me so torn, i really don't know what to do.
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  Anonymous

  1 year ago

  A couple of weeks ago I watched Tina Fey blatantly solicit Texas and Ohio Democrats to vote for Hillary Clinton on “Saturday Night Live’s” first episode after the writers’ strike. I thought, that does not seem fair without some sort of equal time given to soliciting votes for Barack Obama. Days later, Clinton incorporates in her campaign what SNL had implied about reporters being soft on questioning Obama. The following week and a couple of days before the primaries, she makes a surprise appearance on SNL. Again, that seemed unfair – Clinton using a comedic venue to suck away youthful support for Obama, at least, without giving him equal opportunity. Ironically, she had in the past vowed never to appear on SNL due to some slight she apparently suffered. But the worst of it came when I recently revisited the Tina Fey plea on YouTube and realized what she actually had said at the close of the skit: It’s not too late Texas and Ohio, “B*tch is the new Black!” What an outrage! I just can’t expressed how disgusted I feel about that one statement from this pea-brained twit that so trivialized what Black people have suffered throughout the history of this country. “B*tch is the new Black??” Clearly, this clown Tina Fey has never viewed the outrageous fotos of lynching of black people and other atrocities that have taken place, or she would not be so quick to make such an equation. Unfortunately, the phrase is being picked up all over the net. And the results of the Texas, Ohio voting speaks for itself. Clinton’s “Spin to Win” campaign is now in full swing.
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  Anonymous

  1 year ago

  At nmp:
  
  
  I feel your frustration. As an African immigrant, I strongly believe that latinos, Asians and "newer" immigrants from Africa owe so much to African-Americans. Most of the civil-rights and other rights we now take for granted were obtained because African-Americans were willing to make hard sacrifices and be vilified by the rest of the country to obtain these rights. It would be nice if other ethnic minorites in this country acknowledged this fact.
  
  
  
  Junglecat
  
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  TruthSeeker

  1 year ago

  @ Ibn Warraq
  
  
  I agree. That look on her face and in her eyes the day after Dodd had what he called an "uncomfortable" phonecall with her.(when he endorsed Obama)....I just had a feeling something ugly went down. That's when she took on a robotic monotone and said she was just getting warmed up with the attacks. She is fighting for her life but trying to make everyone think she has him on the ropes to eke out every last vote she can get to improve her position.
  
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  Anonymous

  1 year ago

  I found this blog a few weeks ago and I can definitely say that it's the first one that is in sync with where I am politically.
  
  
  I have always been mystified by the black community's embrace of the Clintons when they have thrown us under the bus at every opportunity (Sister Souljah, Lani Guinier, Haitian refugees, Joycelyn Elders, the list goes on). I guess it's better late than never that folks are starting to open their eyes.
  
  
  
  As far as Miss Hillary, voting for her in 08 was never an option for me. She's an opportunist who wouldn't know a principle if it jumped up and bit her in the a**. Seeing her actions in the last few weeks has only reinforced that.
  
  
  
  I haven't voted for a Democratic presidential candidate since Dukakis, but if Obama is able to survive this I will gladly pull the lever for him. Otherwise it's Nader or McKinney for me.
  
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  Craig Hickman

  1 year ago

  "I worry about my reproductive rights. This election has me so torn, i really don't know what to do."
  
  
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  Pray.
  
  
  
  Campaign for Obama in the remaining states in person, over the phone or both.
  
  
  
  Pray.
  
  
  
  Whatever will be will be.
  
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  Anonymous

  1 year ago

  I wonder if she and her staff realizes that she has created a huge disconnect with black voters after all her insults and race baiting, that the Democrats usually take for granted? And, I mean to the point that many won't bother voting for her. I would love to ask her and her staffers and find out that. If, McCain had a clue, which he is too old to have, he would be trying to make inroads with the black voters, but, then again, he like Bush and the rest of the GOP does not need or want black voters, so, we get stuck getting insulted by the ilk of tag team Clinton.
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  Baltogeek

  1 year ago

  If she manages to steal the nomination the black exodus from the Democratic party will be THE story of the election.
  
  
  And no I don't think Hillary gives a rat's ass about us.
  
  
  
  She's proven that to many times in the last few months.
  
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  Craig Hickman

  1 year ago

  Susan Rice for Obama's runningmate!!!
  
  
  Now that woman is fierce.
  
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  marc

  1 year ago

  what a pride, rikyrah!
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  Anonymous

  1 year ago

  HRC is running for her own ego, I don't buy the crap about caring so much about the country. Is this how someone acts who actually cares what happens in 08? She is the woman scorned and hell hath no fury etc.
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  Mona

  1 year ago

  Rikyrah, it's like you took my thoughts out of my head and put them on a blog. I am so through with HRC's campaign tactics. This woman CANNOT get the nomination. I will seriously reconsider my party affiliation if this happens.
  
  
  "I found this blog a few weeks ago and I can definitely say that it's the first one that is in sync with where I am politically." ***DITTO!!
  
  
  
  Oh by the way, SC Democratic Party leader Carol Fowler (one of our state's 8 superdelegates) endorsed Obama yesterday.
  
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  Anonymous

  1 year ago

  This post is ahistorical. I don't know how old you are but have you ever read David Walker or Maria Stewart from the 1820s-30s?! You should read them. They were braver and stronger than you are I could ever dream of being.
  
  
  This is not necessarily generational. There are radicals in their 80s who find Obama to be too corporate. They are to your left. Perhaps your mother and aunt have made a political calculation that 8 years of Hillary might be better than 8 years more of a 12 billion dollar a month war. Or a war with Iran. Maybe they care about all of the black children too poor to have a computer in the home (or good health care) more than the treatment that Harvard educated Sen. Obama has received. Obama will be fine--will they?
  
  
  
  You need to check your tone. Here you are attacking the terrible treatment Obama is receiving yet look at your lack of respect for John Lewis, a man who risked his life--his very life--to further your advancement, our advancement. I agree that we need a smart way of dealing with Hillary. But dissing your "Negro" mother completely undermines your supposed desire for garnering respect for Obama. Why don't you start by respecting your "black" mother.
  
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  faboomama.com

  1 year ago

  Most of you already know that I and many of my friends, family and acquaintances also won't vote for Clinton if she gets the nomination.
  
  
  @NMP, I don't think your comment is helpful. There are a lot of Latinos who do support Obama and lumping them all in as one, or even assuming they're not all Americans is pretty shameless. We're not Republicans and don't think in stark terms like that. b-serious is right regarding the black/brown coalition. As these dinosaurs who've kept us separate for so long are finally retiring, this group is strenghtening it's ties. It's tentative, but even here in LA where there's always been some tension, you can see that falling away.
  
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  Ronnie B

  1 year ago

  Just a thought about the Democratic Party.
  
  
  In Barack Obama, the Democratic Party finally has the opportunity to offer up to the country and the world, the epitome of what the Party holds itself out to be. A man with brilliance, astounding vision, superior intellect, family values, and a grasp on political policy that is matched by few. And he happens to be Black.
  
  
  
  Yet here we are at the precipice of making that a reality, and the Democratic Party is content to watch this man be thrown under the proverbial bus in exchange for a lesser candidate and poor leader. A Democratic Party that apparently doesn't believe in doing what's best for the country.
  
  
  
  The way that the Party is treating Mr. Obama, they can no longer speak with credibility when asking for the wealthy to sacrifice for the good of the country.
  
  
  
  They won't even sacrifice for the good of their own party.
  
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  mj

  1 year ago

  Why don't we move from thoughts to action? I am thinking that we can begin to use this platform to: (1) organize a PAC that will allow us to put our money where our mouths are and support Obama as a bloc; (2) organize a letter writing campaign to MSM and blogs voicing our collective outrage; and (3) forming an online rapid response team to counter the crap load of lies and assaults that will soon be coming Obama's way.
  
  
  I am an attorney and have a friend who started a Latina PAC a while ago. I'd be willing to put some time into researching the logistics of putting something like this together in a legitimate way. And I'd certainly be willing to donate some of my own money.
  
  
  
  So, what do you all think? Are there any finance/ accounting/ business folks/ active retirees and supporters of JJ politics out there who are willing to throw down and make something happen?
  
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  JJ

  1 year ago

  1 Hell NO HRC will NPT get my vote
  
  
  2. Obama supporters need to double down and work harder
  
  
  
  I will be singing, "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" at some point this summer.
  
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  danielle

  1 year ago

  Great. So lets all trade racism for misogyny. This will get us 4 more years of the same. Way to go JandJ
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  michelle

  1 year ago

  Calling Clinton a "heifer" and "witch" is pretty minor. No one here is attacking her for being a woman. These are pretty mild epithets, not even approaching the same level of racist fear-mongering and voter shenanigans that HRC tried to get away with. Blogs like J&J; are a huge reason why she hasn't been completely successful in this line of attack.
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  Nita

  1 year ago

  Rikyrah, the troll police didn't try to autoban your past comments for that comment, did they? I saw it last night. gbc2 or whomever trollrated you. if I weren't already autobanned myself i would have said something in that thread.
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  Craig Hickman

  1 year ago

  mj, Obama's campaign isn't trying to accept money from PACs, as far as I'm aware. But that doesn't mean we can't donate individually and try to initiate ideas 2 and 3 on your list.
  
  
  I like to act as well. My voice is almost gone from all the phone calls I made to Texas and Ohio.
  
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  Ms.Martin

  1 year ago

  @ Bryllynt:
  
  
  My sentiments exactly. I too have watched closely and see it all for what it is. I can't believe he truths that this election has exposed-both good and bad, very bad.
  
  
  
  I have experienced anger and frustration as I never have before.
  
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  Ms.Martin

  1 year ago

  Hickman:
  
  
  I agree with you-not only is she fierce, but she is intelligent and strong on foreign policy.
  
  
  
  She can hold her own in a discussion and defend her candidate without pause.
  
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  Ms.Martin

  1 year ago

  I just saw a CNN political team dicussing the black vote. They were discussing the responses on the blogs and figuring the numbers and how it would work if the black vote sat out for the general.
  
  
  I hope the DNC can hear that.
  
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  Ronnie B

  1 year ago

  mj~
  
  
  I like the idea. The PACs might be a little tough for this particular election, but might will be a necessity going forward. The rapid response team is also a great idea. In short, organization is going to be the key. For better or worse, the Democratic Party offered some infrastructure, but we'll just have to build our own foundation. We'll get more respect that way.
  
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