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She won't get my vote, period.
In a Cabinet-style setting, surrounded by retired military leaders, Sen. Hillary Clinton said the public should ask whether Democratic presidential rival Barack Obama has met the criteria needed to become the nation’s commander in chief.
“I think that since we now know Sen. (John) McCain will be the nominee for the Republican Party, national security will be front and center in this election. We all know that. And I think it’s imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold,” the New York senator told reporters crowded into an infant’s bedroom-sized hotel conference room in Washington.
“I believe that I’ve done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you’ll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy,” she said.
This is the last straw for me . I was willing to vote for her (holding my nose) should she eventually win the nomination but after to days statement I will sit out the Presidential election rather then vote for someone willing to torpedo the Dems to further her personal ambition. Screw her.
“There will be some hurt feelings initially,” Ickes said. “But in a very tight election, Barack Obama will swing in behind Hillary Clinton and black people will vote for her and she will be able to bring in Hispanic voters also.”
Looks like she is taking us for granted.
One way or another, we must put an end to the poison in our politics...the poison so exemplified by the Bush/Clinton years.
The only way that ends is if we have the courage to make it so.
Ideally, we have Obama as the nominee, and we end it the positive way.
But if Hillary manages to steal the nomination, then she must be punished, or else the cycle continues. If she would lose in a general election then sure it would be tough under McCain. But then the Democratic party would really get change, and that would mean in 2012 we'd have a great nominee, most likely Obama. Then the nation would really get change. Sometimes you have to allow things to get worse to make them better in the long run.
But again, I still think Obama will win the nomination and the presidency.
I stand by that position and can explain why.
Publicly I've encouraged black folk to vote Nader if Billary's snatch 'n grab strategy works.
However, to those still employing the lesser of two evil voting strategy, here's my question. What will it take for black folk to stop being the Democratic Party's bottom bitch!?!
As a strategy that is a position of weakness. Always has been. Have we ever heard of "strategic non-voting"? Look up Norman Kelly's book, The Head Negro in Charge Syndrom for more.
No other ethnic, religious, financial or political group would take this.
I'm a progressive and proud leftist. My political philosophy is for sale. You are not guaranteed my vote because your party signed the Voting Rights act of 1965 (they were pressured by the Black Freedom Struggle). I have dignity. I have pride. I have a mind.
So Billary, if you want to spit in the face of Dr. King. If you want to be the Omar Little of politics. If you want to race-bait.
Fine. I have at least one ballot.
"I'm a progressive and proud leftist. My political philosophy is for NOT sale."
Doooh!
F%%% her!
McCain is a fool, so I'm not suggesting I'll be voting for him.
Hillary Clinton is a Republican passing herself off as a Democrat. Her husband said that he ran the nation as an Eisenhower Republican. He did. He was a fiscal conservative, a free trade champion and his welfare reform wasn't exactly a "boon" for poor people. He handed Hillary Clinton health care reform. A huge chunk of the economy he put in the hands of a non-elected official. And she messed it up because she tried to hammer out a plan in secret and she failed so badly, she's now taking money from insurance companies. And that's why there's a mandate in her plan because the insurance companies will benefit from having every American buy into a plan whether they can afford it or not. She's slick, but I have eyes. With the Clintons in power, the Democratic party suffers. They're simply not interested in growing it.
Oh yeah, and Hillary Clinton is a hawk. She's not withdrawing any troops from Iraq. All those military men who've endorsed her? Check their positions on the Iraq War before casting your vote.
And no president can do anything of major import with the economy. It's time we stop asking them to.
A third Clinton administration will be no better than a fourth Bush administration.
I know that as clear as I'm typing this.
One blogger described her as a "Hostage taker". She knows there's no way she can win but is holding Obama hostage to force the Dem's to give her what she wants...I tend to agree.
Here are some articles that talk about the math:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/convention-math-remember-the-u.php
http://www.newsweek.com/id/119010/page/4
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/hillary-takes-hostages-film-at.php
She does not represent the Democratic Party.
Voting for her is not a vote for the Democratic Party; it's just a vote for her and a vote for her nasty, destructive tactics.
My conscience will be clean. I'm not voting Hillary. I'm not voting McCain either, though... you're right, Jill, his stances are fucked up even though Republicans can't stand him and think he's fucked up too because they think he's a RINO and might as well be a Democrat with his stances.
My conscience will be clean this November, should Hillary win the nomination. This is where downticket comes in.
Don't lose focus that quickly. Stop talking about voting for evil.
Four years of McCain could have repercussions that could go on for decades. I can't contribute to that.
I respect that. For me, though, rewarding Hillary Clinton's antics this year will have WORSE repercussions. What Hillary is doing to Obama is deeper than the Supreme Court.
This is some psychological shit that will permeate a hell of a lot more than just politics, if she's allowed to succeed in what she's doing, how she's doing it -- and blacks support her anyway.
Once your dignity is lost, why should anyone who's on the Supreme Court or in a position to nominate people for the Supreme Court care about issues that pertain specifically to blacks? We obviously don't respect ourselves, so why should they!
No one cares for the abused who defends their abuser.
Besides, no one gets on the Supreme Court without being vetted by all sides. Harriet Mier isn't on the Supreme Court in spite of Bush wanting her there. McCain (or rather, his vice president since he appears to be sick) can make strong suggestions, but his word will not be law.
My man!
Cosigned,
OOO
PS, Texas is still straggling with caucus results.
I heard where some people waited until 2'oclock in the morning & were told if they left, their vote would not count! Just pathetic!
African-American women are now the fastest growing segment of the US population afflicted with HIV/AIDS There's more than one way to get rid of African-Americans in this country.
The modern day Tuskeegee Experiment: Lock up black men at disproportional rates and sentencing (especially the innocent ones who always look like the suspect du jour) + refuse to provide condoms to prisoners + release black men after 10-30 years (AmeriKKKa locks up negros at age 13 now...the sooner the better) to have sex with black women who are contracting HIV (which is spreading like wildfire in the prison population)+ re-imprison black men because they can't get jobs with records (those whose family's can sustain them and keep them free too often operate on the "down low") + unknowlingly HIV positive black women have babies that are infected + the Blacks who the man can always count on to kneel for fear of Supreme Court appointments that might reverse RoeVWade (black folk, as a whole, don't do the abortion thing but we needsta make sure the missus can have hurs on demand) or afraid the SC might end affirmative action (that has mostly benefited the missus and model minorities with a few tokens thrown in for good measure), which has already been effectively rolled back at the federal level with an expiration date without a majority conservative court (Kennedy and O'Connor were moderate jurists) and it was so beneficial to blacks that we haven't even missed it but, more importantly, is being dismantled on the state level but we are too uninformed to realize it)+ a general lack of community self-love that will always allow a few sellouts to go against the better interests of the race ensuring the many remain sitting and spinning = a decreasing and dying off (always unwanted here anyway) segment of the population that has always been the most willing participants in its own demise, otherwise known as African-Americans.
John McCain nor the Supreme Court are our worst enemies; that position is held by the okie doke, yes massa negros amongst us. Flame away.
Clinton is making it hard for me to want to even hold my nose and vote her way. She thinks McCain is a better candidate than a fellow Dem? She believes you have to scare the people into voting for you? She believes in tearing everyone else down so she can be lifted up?
Her administration would be bad news; she'd have critical press all the time, and the only way she'd be able to pass critical programs is by smearing, slandering and destroying the careers of all those in her way. That's only going to make the next generation of politics more nasty, but even more importantly, much more unproductive and illogical. If her proposals weren't at least better on the whole than anything McBush can come up with, I'd think about voting McBush over Clinton. For now, I'm wavering between voting McKinney, Clinton or just staying home is Hillary is nominated.
NOTE: I sincerely think that the most effective way for a constituency taken for granted to show displeasure with a party is to not vote at all. The significant loss of voters nationwide is much easier to identify and history tells me encourages the parties to start engaging that group on their playing field (see: current Dem. wooing of evangelicals, budget hawks) instead of taking those voters for granted again.
Uh no, she's straight saying they will vote for me; who else will they vote for.
I don't believe the trickle we will get from Hillary is any different than the trickle we will get from McCain-she wants to be his running mate!
I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON OR ANOTHER DEMOCRAT IF SHE IS GIVEN THE NOMINATION!!!!!!!!
THIS IS NOT A TEMPER TANTRUM, THIS IS A FACT!!!!
All this, we need to make them listen to us stuff...um, sorry, this isn't a new idea. We've been TALKING all this time.
Agreed with the person who said Hillary is a hawk. She most definitely is.
Who hurts us more? Republicans for implementing their agenda or the Democrats for not getting the job done?
I am tired of the Democrats always on the defense. Even when they have the numbers, they still manage to lose their set and not do anything.
One thing about the Republicans--they will do what they feel they need to and say, "And? Don't like it too bad." Democrats are wimps.
With Clinton, I don't care what you promise me, if you're not trust-worthy it really doesn't matter does it? Because you'll Sista Souljah me the first time it serves your self-interest.
Keep in mind, McCain is hated by the right wing of the Republicans. Like Obama, McCain often reaches across party lines.
I have a better feeling about McCain than I do about Clinton. I noticed when I listened to Barack's speech in San Antonio last Tuesday, when he mentioned McCain, there was genuine affection in his voice. When he mentioned Clinton... his voice wasn't so nice.
Just my opinion, McCain is nothing to get excited about, but he would be an improvement over Bush.
2. What McCain meant by the "100 years in Iraq" comment was a military presence similar to that in Korea. Remember (or in case you missed it), Iraq is a sovereign nation; we are not there as an occupying force.
3. I'll admit that I am out of step with McCain on abortion.
4. Marriage is ordained in the Bible as a union between one man and one woman (Mark 10:7-8). As a country that proclaims to be "one nation, under God," our laws should reflect that sentiment.
-Oh, yes we are.
Then let that sovereign nation, the one that the US invaded, handle their own problems.
Let the US leave...NOW.
D -
1. Not everyone believes in the God of the Bible - even if they believe in a God. So proclaiming "one nation, under God" does not have to mean - one idea or ideal of what God is.
2. This is also a country founded under the ideal of a separation between church and state.
In a country that supposedly provides its citizens with the inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for the government to inflict the ideals of one religion or one group of religions on all its citizens is ludicrous and best and dangerous at worst.
Please show me one piece of terrority-outside of a base or one of our government facilities there-that we have raised our flag over in conquest.
Please show me one piece of terrority-outside of a base or one of our government facilities there-that we have raised our flag over in conquest."
-That's a mighty purty strawman.
We invaded Iraq, pure and simple.
We are there as an occupying force.
Yes, we did invade Iraq. However, the country now has a democratically elected government. No one from the US hold positions of significance (and I dare say no positions at all) within their government. We do not lay claim to any of their territory, short of where we have established bases (some of which are joint US-Iraqi security stations).
Long, short: invasion does not translate into occupation.
Lady,
Fair enough. However, the original signers of the founding documents of this country (the Declaration and the Constitution) did. Besides-and I am not an expert on religion-do any of the world's major religions (Judiasm, Christianity, and Islam) endorse a union between a man and another (or a woman and another)?
They think they have us figured out, let's prove to them that they don't.