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ac — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:51:00 -0000

Jill, I respect your position but cannot go that way myself for all of the reasons posted above by other commentators. In the event Obama is not the nominee I will leave the Democractic party permanently and register as Independent and encourage all others who cry foul to do the same.I'm voting for Obama. Period. I don't care if I have to write his name in. That's where my vote goes.

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Anonymous — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:50:00 -0000

Great point Philip, but the Nader camp needs a contingency plan that has a massive black voter recruitment in the event that Hillary is given the nomination. There is an option. That option is Ralph Nader. It may put McCain in office, but it would definitely send a resounding message.
They think they have us figured out, let's prove to them that they don't.

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D. — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:23:00 -0000

Komack,
Yes, we did invade Iraq. However, the country now has a democratically elected government. No one from the US hold positions of significance (and I dare say no positions at all) within their government. We do not lay claim to any of their territory, short of where we have established bases (some of which are joint US-Iraqi security stations).

Long, short: invasion does not translate into occupation.

Lady,

Fair enough. However, the original signers of the founding documents of this country (the Declaration and the Constitution) did. Besides-and I am not an expert on religion-do any of the world's major religions (Judiasm, Christianity, and Islam) endorse a union between a man and another (or a woman and another)?

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Admiral Komack — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:09:00 -0000

"Komack,
Please show me one piece of terrority-outside of a base or one of our government facilities there-that we have raised our flag over in conquest."

-That's a mighty purty strawman.

We invaded Iraq, pure and simple.

We are there as an occupying force.

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Tami — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:46:00 -0000

I will not vote for Hillary Clinton if she is the Democratic nominee. It has taken me a long time to get to this point. But I cannot, in good conscience, reward what she has done to black people, the Democratic Party and the progressive agenda. I have never not voted for the Democratic presidential candidate, so this has been hard for me. I am liberal in my values. I do not want to see John McCain win and will not vote for him either. I will; however, look very closely at Ralph Nader or write in a presidential candidate. Hillary Clinton is a candidate who will lie, distort, play dirty and race bait to win. If I want treatment like that I might as well be a Republican.

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D. — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:17:00 -0000

Komack,
Please show me one piece of terrority-outside of a base or one of our government facilities there-that we have raised our flag over in conquest.

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Fat Lady — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:14:00 -0000

"4. Marriage is ordained in the Bible as a union between one man and one woman (Mark 10:7-8). As a country that proclaims to be "one nation, under God," our laws should reflect that sentiment."

D -

1. Not everyone believes in the God of the Bible - even if they believe in a God. So proclaiming "one nation, under God" does not have to mean - one idea or ideal of what God is.

2. This is also a country founded under the ideal of a separation between church and state.

In a country that supposedly provides its citizens with the inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for the government to inflict the ideals of one religion or one group of religions on all its citizens is ludicrous and best and dangerous at worst.

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Admiral Komack — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:47:00 -0000

"Iraq is a sovereign nation; we are not there as an occupying force."

-Oh, yes we are.

Then let that sovereign nation, the one that the US invaded, handle their own problems.

Let the US leave...NOW.

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D. — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:58:00 -0000

1. The Iran comment was meant as a joke. However, if that's what it takes to keep nuclear weapons from a jihadist society, so be it. Above everything else-the economy, gay marriage, what have you-this country MUST be protected against those who seek our destruction.

2. What McCain meant by the "100 years in Iraq" comment was a military presence similar to that in Korea. Remember (or in case you missed it), Iraq is a sovereign nation; we are not there as an occupying force.

3. I'll admit that I am out of step with McCain on abortion.

4. Marriage is ordained in the Bible as a union between one man and one woman (Mark 10:7-8). As a country that proclaims to be "one nation, under God," our laws should reflect that sentiment.

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babyming — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:25:00 -0000

I was going to post the same comment that craig hickman did: "McCain isn't for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. He's for allowing states to decide that for themselves." I do believe this is the case.

Keep in mind, McCain is hated by the right wing of the Republicans. Like Obama, McCain often reaches across party lines.

I have a better feeling about McCain than I do about Clinton. I noticed when I listened to Barack's speech in San Antonio last Tuesday, when he mentioned McCain, there was genuine affection in his voice. When he mentioned Clinton... his voice wasn't so nice.

Just my opinion, McCain is nothing to get excited about, but he would be an improvement over Bush.

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Symphony — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:33:00 -0000

Black folks' power is not in voting for Democrats in a bloc vote. We do that already, no groups supports the Dems like Blacks. Blacks should be running the party, when we say jump they should say how high.

All this, we need to make them listen to us stuff...um, sorry, this isn't a new idea. We've been TALKING all this time.

Agreed with the person who said Hillary is a hawk. She most definitely is.

Who hurts us more? Republicans for implementing their agenda or the Democrats for not getting the job done?

I am tired of the Democrats always on the defense. Even when they have the numbers, they still manage to lose their set and not do anything.

One thing about the Republicans--they will do what they feel they need to and say, "And? Don't like it too bad." Democrats are wimps.

With Clinton, I don't care what you promise me, if you're not trust-worthy it really doesn't matter does it? Because you'll Sista Souljah me the first time it serves your self-interest.

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Ms.Martin — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:33:00 -0000

"Looks like she is taking us for granted."

Uh no, she's straight saying they will vote for me; who else will they vote for.

I don't believe the trickle we will get from Hillary is any different than the trickle we will get from McCain-she wants to be his running mate!

I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON OR ANOTHER DEMOCRAT IF SHE IS GIVEN THE NOMINATION!!!!!!!!

THIS IS NOT A TEMPER TANTRUM, THIS IS A FACT!!!!

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CAB — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:39:00 -0000

I can't vote McCain. Although she hasn't always been good to my people, I still love this country way too much to vote for John W. McBush. No damn way.

Clinton is making it hard for me to want to even hold my nose and vote her way. She thinks McCain is a better candidate than a fellow Dem? She believes you have to scare the people into voting for you? She believes in tearing everyone else down so she can be lifted up?

Her administration would be bad news; she'd have critical press all the time, and the only way she'd be able to pass critical programs is by smearing, slandering and destroying the careers of all those in her way. That's only going to make the next generation of politics more nasty, but even more importantly, much more unproductive and illogical. If her proposals weren't at least better on the whole than anything McBush can come up with, I'd think about voting McBush over Clinton. For now, I'm wavering between voting McKinney, Clinton or just staying home is Hillary is nominated.

NOTE: I sincerely think that the most effective way for a constituency taken for granted to show displeasure with a party is to not vote at all. The significant loss of voters nationwide is much easier to identify and history tells me encourages the parties to start engaging that group on their playing field (see: current Dem. wooing of evangelicals, budget hawks) instead of taking those voters for granted again.

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Anonymous — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:34:00 -0000

More Blacks were imprisoned under Bill Clinton than ever in the history of the country---both absolutely and %. Hillary supports discrepancies in sentencing between powder cocaine (white users) and crack cocaine(black users) and she refuses even minimal moves toward equitable justice on this front. Most newly imprisoned blacks are non-violent offenders (drug users that being locked up will necessarily learn violence) and people are thinking McCain is the worst enemy of Black people?!

African-American women are now the fastest growing segment of the US population afflicted with HIV/AIDS There's more than one way to get rid of African-Americans in this country.

The modern day Tuskeegee Experiment: Lock up black men at disproportional rates and sentencing (especially the innocent ones who always look like the suspect du jour) + refuse to provide condoms to prisoners + release black men after 10-30 years (AmeriKKKa locks up negros at age 13 now...the sooner the better) to have sex with black women who are contracting HIV (which is spreading like wildfire in the prison population)+ re-imprison black men because they can't get jobs with records (those whose family's can sustain them and keep them free too often operate on the "down low") + unknowlingly HIV positive black women have babies that are infected + the Blacks who the man can always count on to kneel for fear of Supreme Court appointments that might reverse RoeVWade (black folk, as a whole, don't do the abortion thing but we needsta make sure the missus can have hurs on demand) or afraid the SC might end affirmative action (that has mostly benefited the missus and model minorities with a few tokens thrown in for good measure), which has already been effectively rolled back at the federal level with an expiration date without a majority conservative court (Kennedy and O'Connor were moderate jurists) and it was so beneficial to blacks that we haven't even missed it but, more importantly, is being dismantled on the state level but we are too uninformed to realize it)+ a general lack of community self-love that will always allow a few sellouts to go against the better interests of the race ensuring the many remain sitting and spinning = a decreasing and dying off (always unwanted here anyway) segment of the population that has always been the most willing participants in its own demise, otherwise known as African-Americans.

John McCain nor the Supreme Court are our worst enemies; that position is held by the okie doke, yes massa negros amongst us. Flame away.

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justice58 — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:00:00 -0000

Texas Caucus:

I heard where some people waited until 2'oclock in the morning & were told if they left, their vote would not count! Just pathetic!

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Anonymous — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:43:00 -0000

Phillip.m.Bailey:

My man!

Cosigned,

OOO

PS, Texas is still straggling with caucus results.

Re: I Know I am Going to Catch Hell for This, But…

Nita — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:40:00 -0000

@ Fat Lady said...
Four years of McCain could have repercussions that could go on for decades. I can't contribute to that.

I respect that. For me, though, rewarding Hillary Clinton's antics this year will have WORSE repercussions. What Hillary is doing to Obama is deeper than the Supreme Court.

This is some psychological shit that will permeate a hell of a lot more than just politics, if she's allowed to succeed in what she's doing, how she's doing it -- and blacks support her anyway.

Once your dignity is lost, why should anyone who's on the Supreme Court or in a position to nominate people for the Supreme Court care about issues that pertain specifically to blacks? We obviously don't respect ourselves, so why should they!

No one cares for the abused who defends their abuser.

Besides, no one gets on the Supreme Court without being vetted by all sides. Harriet Mier isn't on the Supreme Court in spite of Bush wanting her there. McCain (or rather, his vice president since he appears to be sick) can make strong suggestions, but his word will not be law.

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Anonymous — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:34:00 -0000

Don't worry, it is not that existential. It doesn't matter if you vote for her or if I vote no by leaving the top of the ticket blank, she will lose a general election. How can you run on experience when you have none? How can you run on the war you voted for? How can you win when 50% of Americans already know and hate you. Half those white male voters in Ohio and Texas will vote for McCain. We half to win with Obama, because he is our only chance to make a real argument for change. YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!
Don't lose focus that quickly. Stop talking about voting for evil.

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Nita — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:32:00 -0000

I cannot and will not support a person who engages in the tactics Hillary Clinton has. Absolutely not.

She does not represent the Democratic Party.

Voting for her is not a vote for the Democratic Party; it's just a vote for her and a vote for her nasty, destructive tactics.

My conscience will be clean. I'm not voting Hillary. I'm not voting McCain either, though... you're right, Jill, his stances are fucked up even though Republicans can't stand him and think he's fucked up too because they think he's a RINO and might as well be a Democrat with his stances.

My conscience will be clean this November, should Hillary win the nomination. This is where downticket comes in.

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Faith — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:00:00 -0000

We need to send a clear message that our votes are not to be taken for granted. I will not vote for HRC. If Obama doesn't get the nomination through her lying, voter suppression, cheating and negativity that's it. Nader or McCain but I want to have my needs addressed no matter who is in office.

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Felicia — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:53:00 -0000

I was a democrat, but I can't be affiliated with this party anymore. Therefore, I have no problem voting for McCain. He at least criticized Bill Cunningham for abusing the "Barack Hussein Obama" thing. Clinton won't do that much. Will I like voting for McCain? Hell no! But if it comes down to Clinton and McCain, then yes, I will cut off my nose to spite my face.

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Anonymous — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:30:00 -0000

Susan Rice tells Clinton and McCain to cut the crap: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-rice/cmon-s...

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TruthSeeker — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:26:00 -0000

More arrogance from the Clinton camp...they think they know what everybody's going to do. Her campaign was wrong about her inevitability, wrong about super Tuesday and wrong about the effects of race baiting. They are wrong about the math also ..LOL.

One blogger described her as a "Hostage taker". She knows there's no way she can win but is holding Obama hostage to force the Dem's to give her what she wants...I tend to agree.

Here are some articles that talk about the math:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/convention-math-remember-the-u.php

http://www.newsweek.com/id/119010/page/4

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/hillary-takes-hostages-film-at.php

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Craig Hickman — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:20:00 -0000

McCain isn't for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. He's for allowing states to decide that for themselves.

McCain is a fool, so I'm not suggesting I'll be voting for him.

Hillary Clinton is a Republican passing herself off as a Democrat. Her husband said that he ran the nation as an Eisenhower Republican. He did. He was a fiscal conservative, a free trade champion and his welfare reform wasn't exactly a "boon" for poor people. He handed Hillary Clinton health care reform. A huge chunk of the economy he put in the hands of a non-elected official. And she messed it up because she tried to hammer out a plan in secret and she failed so badly, she's now taking money from insurance companies. And that's why there's a mandate in her plan because the insurance companies will benefit from having every American buy into a plan whether they can afford it or not. She's slick, but I have eyes. With the Clintons in power, the Democratic party suffers. They're simply not interested in growing it.

Oh yeah, and Hillary Clinton is a hawk. She's not withdrawing any troops from Iraq. All those military men who've endorsed her? Check their positions on the Iraq War before casting your vote.

And no president can do anything of major import with the economy. It's time we stop asking them to.

A third Clinton administration will be no better than a fourth Bush administration.

I know that as clear as I'm typing this.

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Fat Lady — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:17:00 -0000

It would be a very, very bitter pill to swallow, voting for Clinton. But, like you, I'll take that medicine if I have to because the thought of McCain appointing Supreme Court Justices makes me feel even sicker than the crap Hillary has pulled. Four years of McCain could have repercussions that could go on for decades. I can't contribute to that.