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Miss Marmelstein — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:50:00 -0000

i'm with you. where do i sign up?

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Anonymous — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:36:00 -0000

I have no idea if this is possible, but I read this backin Feb.
about an Obama/Bloomberg ticket.

http://www.armstrongwilliams.com/248066.ihtml

I also heard he would go for Gov of Illinois

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Anonymous — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:15:00 -0000

Barack needs to call a press conference and get everything out
there instead of these daily little snippets. He need not be nasty;

he just needs to be FORCEFUL! He could say he is tired of Hillary

attacking his character and experience. He needs to set the agenda

before the next primaries and stop letting her create the benchmarks;

challenge her for a change! In the press conference he can address NAFTA,

her 35 year lack of experience, her tax returns from previous years which

are already completed, her campaign starting the Muslim emails,etc.....

There is NO way to win when Hillary fights dirty and he remains nice!

It's like playing scrabble with someone who keeps going to the bathroom to

look in the dictionary and you continue to allow them to do that. He really

needs to CRUSH her once and for all!

I posted this previously and I certainly hope he has a PLAN!

Taking the High Road most certainly did not work for Al Gore

or John Kerry. It is great that he appeals to intelligent

people but he also must appeal to those of lesser intelligence.

If he is not willing to be more forceful in this campaign,

there are those who wonder how is he going to fight for this

country! I am behind him 100% but someone(even a surrogate)

needs to take the media back.

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Anonymous — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:50:00 -0000

Unless I'm mistaken, Dennis Kucinich was also on the Michigan ballot.

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Tom Legrady — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:52:00 -0000

If Michigan and Ohio get a second chance to Vote, can Ohio have one, too?

After all, now that we know it was Hillary who phoned the Canadians to say all that talk about NAFTA was just campaigning ...

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abraham — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:09:00 -0000

Righteous!

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Anonymous — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:30:00 -0000

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The MASSIVE campaign to turn every American into a brainwashed, credit card, pharmaceutical, love-sick, couch potatoe, celebrity junkie. Their idea. All of the above shrink the middle class, concentrate the world’s wealth and resources, and wreak havok on society. All of which have been CREATED AND ENDORSED by celebrities, athletes, executives, entrepreneurs, attorneys, and politicians. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. So don’t fall for any of their ‘good will’ ‘humanitarian’ BS. ITS A SHAM. NOTHING BUT TAX DEDUCTABLE PR CRAP. Bottom line: The richest 1% will soon tank the largest economy in the world. It will be like nothing we’ve ever seen before. and thats just the beginning. Greed will eventually tank every major economy in the world. Causing millions to suffer and die. Oprah, Angelina, Brad, Bono, and Bill are not part of the solution. They are part of the problem. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MULTI-MILLIONAIRE HUMANITARIAN. EXTREME WEALTH HAS MADE WORLD PROSPERITY ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. WITHOUT WORLD PROSPERITY, THERE WILL NEVER BE WORLD PEACE OR ANYTHING EVEN CLOSE. GREED KILLS. IT WILL BE OUR DOWNFALL. Of course, the rich will throw a fit and call me a madman. Of course, their ignorant fans will do the same. You have to expect that. But I speak the truth. If you don’t believe me, then copy this entry and run it by any professor of economics or socio-economics. Then tell a friend. Call the local radio station. Re-post this entry or put it in your own words. Be one of the first to predict the worst economic and cultural crisis of all time and explain its cause. WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE.

Re: If Hillary Gets To Claim Michigan And Florida, Denver Will Burn

rikyrah — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:50:00 -0000

nita,

McCain/Bloomberg

just one of those floated items, and IMO, if the race-baiting fear monger steals it, it would be the coup-de-grace by McCain, almost insuring him The Presidency.

Because, he wouldn't need to worry about the conservative base coming out for him - Hillpatine would do that for him.

And, between him and Bloomberg- who would substantially fortify his lack of economic policy forte,

they would drive a truck through the suburbs up and down the East Coast. ....and CALIFORNIA.

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Admiral Komack — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:50:00 -0000

I've read the post.
I suspect those who are complaining about the post simply don't want to deal with what you have said and would rather act like Bevis & Butthead:

-Hee ,hee, hee, he said Denver burn.

Hee, hee, hee, that's not cool.

If Hillary gets the Democratic nomination, get used to saying "President McCain."

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Nita — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:23:00 -0000

@Nonie, I'd love to, but I got banned in December.

I'd push for blacks designating themselves as Independent instead of Democrat (or Republican) as the symbolic 'riot in denver'. I completely agree with Ronnie B and Jonzee and AC's posts.

THAT is a riot that cannot be used against Obama supporters and blacks negatively. It would be a riot against what the Clintons represent and what they are willing to do to the party.

Independent.

If I had the skills (and weren't banned) I'd do a political parody of Webbie's hit song on this matter and put it up on Daily Kos and DU on the thread.

Re: If Hillary Gets To Claim Michigan And Florida, Denver Will Burn

Nita — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:17:00 -0000

@no blood for hubris, DNC made a rule. Obama followed the rules.

If following the rules is a sucker move in your world... if having respect for the rules is a sucker move in your world... if putting the PARTY before one's own personal AMBITIONS is a sucker move in your world....

hold up, i gotta stop, my blood pressure is going up again.

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No Blood for Hubris — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:25:00 -0000

Oh, and which candidate decided he did not wish to be on the ballot?

Uh . . . welcome to karma = cause and effect.

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Seth Pearce — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:12:00 -0000

Yes!

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Mama Hearts Obama — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:03:00 -0000

The most powerful (and most truthful) blog post I have read this campaign season.

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Tiffany — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:41:00 -0000

Hey, this post has made Raw Story.

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Anonymous — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:26:00 -0000

@ - Anon Thu Mar 06, 01:20:00 PM 2008 who wrote There is NO way to win when Hillary fights dirty and he remains nice! It's like playing scrabble with someone who keeps going to the bathroom to look in the dictionary and you continue to allow them to do that. He really needs to CRUSH her once and for all!

I am heartbroken and furious at the game the Clintons are playing and the system they are playing it to support:

The real energy and potential power Senator Obama has raised will not serve him if (when) he begins to play by her rules and mode of engagement. At that point he is essentially getting publicly remade in the image of the monster that his focus on change was opposed to.

At that point he relinquishes the true power and edge he had, the thing that scares the powers that be. The thing that moved so many people despite the similarity of many of their policy positions.

Clinton is winning by setting the terms in this ugly mode, and he will not truly win on the terms she sets. If he does succeed on those terms in winning the presidency, he will not be serving the energy he raised in the first place that has had such power.

I feel like the fight is over, doors swinging closed. I hear it in the ... word? strain? ... in his voice (started hearing it either Monday or Tuesday actually) -- the move into her terms, the place where he cannot persist as he began, where he becomes another candidate who has been processed through and made acceptable to the powers that be.

Seeing how it is has been unfolding -- I now have a sense of this whole thing as a sort of ritual of showing people how intrinsically wrong US electoral politics really is -- raising hopes and collective spirit only to show that this Black man who does this must be visibly and publicly broken, and HARD. The final insult in such a scenario will be getting his supporters to vote for him after he has been broken and remade.

And the thing is, I would still vote for him under those circumstances but it would hurt me to do it and it would be an act of deep despair.

And also, I would set myself on fire before voting for Hillary Clinton under ANY circumstances. She is a walking horror, made more horrible by the fact that she is not deviant but is playing her role for the system to perfection.

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Nonie — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:55:00 -0000

It's over there at DailyKos right now. Y'all go over and give him some love - he's getting slammed!

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justice58 — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:55:00 -0000

AC,

Yup! And There you have it!

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ac — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:41:00 -0000

@anon at 1:05pm. "Stick to the plan" is a reference to an earlier comment in another thread where Ronnie B suggested that instead of allowing ourselves to be taken for granted that, if the worst comes to pass, we all go independent.

That's independent, not Republican. In fact, immediately aligning ourselves with any party defeats the beauty and simplicity of Ronnie B's plan. As is, we are the base of the Democratic party, they need us to carry the day. But what if we held ourselves as a block of independent voters - whichever party wanted to prevail would have to "court" us. I guarantee you, if they had to court us we would see a change in attitude and tatics right quick.

But that's Plan B - Plan A is to win this bad boy. To that end we need to make sure we spend as much time doing whatever the campaign needs: donating, recruiting, etc., to make sure we stay in this to win this. It ain't over yet and nothing good can come of allowing all HRC's negativity to sap the positive energy and momentum (yes I said MOMENTUM) that Obama has as the front runner in this primary. He's on top and we need to keep him on top - open up that lead and leave her behind.

GO OBAMA!!

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Nita — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:34:00 -0000

@Rikyrah, what's this about McCain/Bloomberg??!

@submariner, i'm not into rock music, but that dude in the video is amazing, he doesn't have an ounce of fat on him! i still think Obama has to be more like David Carradine, though. Patience. i have trust in Obama, he knows what he's doing, and it's working well. There's a reason why Obama supporters were willing to caucus into the night, in spite of some issues of voter disenfranchisment in black neighborhoods, while Hillary voters said 'f*ck it'.

@bandbabe, yes that way we are easier to control... which goes for everybody. the opposition is being misled, too.

but more about this McCain/Bloomberg rumor!

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Submariner — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:12:00 -0000

For all the persons who think that Obama should remain above the nastiness, that time is over.

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Ms.Martin — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:12:00 -0000

Okay! Enough said.

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Nita — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:05:00 -0000

I agree with Admiral Komack. Besides, folks were asking John Edwards to get down and dirty -- and all it got him was an 'Angry White Male' designation and third place, and he wasn't even whipped up.

No, Admiral Komack is right. Obama has to be JACKIE ROBINSON. No matter what is thrown his way, no matter how vile or nasty or disgusting or false or evil, Obama (like Jackie) wins by holding himself up with dignity and not dropping into the pig pit his enemies want him to fall into.

I think Michelle may have to think up a new strategy herself, actually, because it's becoming too easy for folks who hate to designate her as the 'Evil Black Woman'. She doesn't have to change herself, because those folks would take her saying the sun rises in the east as her being combative and anti-American.... but a little more lawyerly neutrality might help stem some damage.

Let Hillary and Bill continue to trash their legacy over bullsh*t personal ambitions and bribery access.

Obama wins by floating above it, and slapping their evilness away as so much water off a duck's back... while putting the truth out there instead.

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Admiral Komack — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:58:00 -0000

Anonymous said...

I am a new visitor to this site. I am an independent leaning towards Obama. I DESPISE THE CLINTONS.

The Clinton's are so corrupt and dirty that it should be easy for Obama to attack her, yet he seems uneasy.

My question...what does Hillary have on Obama? I fear she has something...

If he's so clean, why doesn't he throw the kitchen sink AND the bathtub at her!

No one will hold it against him! The Clintons are nothing but a cancer.

-NO!

Obama has to continue to take the high road.

If he tries to match Hillary he loses.

The media will frame it as THE ANGRY BLACK MAN WHIPPING UP ON the poor widdle woman...gee, she just wanted to talk about the issues; why is he so darn angry all the time?

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Bandbabe — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:43:00 -0000

This reminds me of the Irish push for Sovereignty.

The Irish fault the British for independence in the early 1900s. The revolution had widescale support. Though there was many deaths, the people have been pushed to far by British cruelty.

To remedy this, the British offered them "The Republic of Ireland" and withdrawal of most of their troops to be replaced with Irish officers. Yet, they would still serve under the dominion of the British and many of their demands weren't met.

The people were split. Many were tired of the fighting and decided to take the British offer. Yet many more felt they were being offered crumbs and if they kept going they would have something they never had before. An independent country of their own.

The resistence split, Irish troops replaced the British and now were oppessors of the land. Under orders to squash the rebellion, as former rebels they knew their "opponent" intimately. So brother vs. brother, the bloodiest period in their history began.

And the british?

The "Irish problem" was contained and they could focus on other matters. Once again, divide and conquer wins.

Lesson from history, this game as been played before. Let's go out and get ours. No more settling for crumbs, when we can have the whole loaf.

Hillary is the tool of the establishment to keep us in line and complacent. The powerful do not like when people are organizing and having an active discourse. They want us ignorant. They want us apathetic. They want us divided.

Why?

Because this way we are easier to control.