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sableverity — Sun, 18 May 2008 23:36:00 -0000

I don't think the satire defence will work...the Curious George shirt is the new ghettopoly...

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Constructive Feedback — Fri, 16 May 2008 10:50:00 -0000

Wow!!!
5.1 MILLION HITS and no one has said a word with their leftist ideological soulmates make use of the same reference.

http://www.bushorchimp.com/

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Anonymous — Thu, 15 May 2008 18:52:00 -0000

Attention!!! Attention!!!

If you are tempted to cry racism over this stupid ass T-shirt as you use a Hillary Clinton nut-cracker, please be aware of your hypocrisy.

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Bronze Trinity — Thu, 15 May 2008 14:42:00 -0000

I hope he gets sued and loses his tavern.

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jgr4 — Thu, 15 May 2008 13:31:00 -0000

I just looked up the definition of satire - "Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity."

Anyone who attempts to defend this as satire would have to contend that they are attacking his perceived folly and/or stupidity by associating him with the monkey, thus wittily implying that his appearance is the reason for said folly/stupidity.

Which is to say that the tshirt is satire because of, or to the extent that you agree with, its racist premise.

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Bob — Thu, 15 May 2008 13:15:00 -0000

I don't know how feasible a legal challenge to those shirts would be, given that Obama is a public figure and the shirt, while racist and in poor taste, counts as "satire".

I haven't seen the shirts, but the potential infringement is of Curious George, not of Obama.

A t-shirt portraying Obama as some monkey might not be legally challengable, but a t-shirt portraying him as this monkey is.

Postscript: surely a better metaphor would be Bush as Curious George, and Obama as the Man in the Yellow Hat, who has to clean up the disaster that silly George has caused?

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Ronnie B — Thu, 15 May 2008 12:20:00 -0000

s~

If you think that the regular posters at JJP can't make the nuanced distinction between bigoted white voters who wouldn't vote for a Black person, and ordinary white people who would ...

Then why waste your time visiting a space where people are so irretrievably ignorant?

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N. Mahana — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:16:00 -0000

Kudos to them for standing up for what's right.

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DWS — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:16:00 -0000

Ahhh, nothing like a good old threat of a lawsuit to stop the foolishness. Money talks, BS walks.

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Thu, 15 May 2008 10:27:00 -0000

Obama as Curious George. Condi Rice as a big lipped mammy.

On the left and right many cross the line...

There are VALID reasons as to why a voter may not support Barak Obama.

Is a double standard being applied?

The t-shirt is racist and in poor taste just as the editorial cartoon depicting Condi Rice as an as an ebonics speaking, big-lipped, black mammy who just loves her ‘massa’ was equally so.

Calling a white person racist is a serious charge and should not be tossed about lightly, yet sweeping, insulting generalizations about white, working class voters are the media feeding frenzy fare of the day.

Does Obama run the risk of creating a back lash from white voters who may have reservations about voting for him that are based on issues other than race and are offended by the insinuation that they are really just racist?

Is it the intention of JJP to feed this meme? Will Obama's candidacy become a national referendum on racism? Should it be?

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Ronnie B — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:24:00 -0000

I think the owner of the IP rights might send the t-shirt-sellin' 'neck a little cease and decist letter.

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Ms.Martin — Thu, 15 May 2008 09:45:00 -0000

Daughter: Mulligan's owner not a 'dumb redneck'

But Marietta mayor says bar owner Mike Norman gives Marietta a 'black eye' by selling controversial Obama T-shirts

By BO EMERSON

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 05/15/08

Mike Norman looks like a Harley-riding curmudgeon and juggles telephones like a seasoned political consultant. But even Norman couldn't keep up with the interview requests this week.

A truck from WGCL was in his tavern's driveway; WXIA and Fox News were on the phone; radio host Clark Howard wanted to speak later.

Frank Niemeir/Staff

(ENLARGE)

Mike Norman is being criticized for selling T-shirts depicting a monkey and a Barack Obama slogan.

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"It's CBS in Los Angeles," one of his employees whispered, holding a hand over the mouthpiece.

Norman, 63, handed out the soundbites, but in his estimation tornadoes deserve news reports, not T-shirts: "This is a lot of hullabaloo about nothing."

Norman grabbed the spotlight Tuesday after selling T-shirts at his establishment, Mulligan's Bar and Grill, depicting the cartoon monkey Curious George and the slogan "Obama in '08." Critics called the shirt racist and an embarassment.

Norman's daughter Brandi Nabors stopped in to check on him, worried that his opinions might spark more than criticism. In her demure green plaid dress, she looked out of place among the tank tops, T-shirts and tattoos.

"I don't like people picking on my daddy, cause he's my daddy," she said. "He might come across as a dumb redneck to a lot of people, but the man is brilliant."

"This is a black eye," Marietta Mayor Bill Dunaway said Wednesday. "I abhor the sale of these T-shirts. I am proud of this city, I am proud of the race relations that the city has had."

Notorious in Marietta as a provocateur, Norman has sparked protests before with the intemperate slogans he displays on signs in front of Mulligan's. "No habla Espanol — and never will," was one. "I wish Hillary had married O.J." was another.

The statements reflect Norman's political leanings and serve to annoy people that he takes delight in annoying. He called the T-shirt "cute."

On Tuesday, chanting protesters gathered in front of his Roswell Street tavern, charging that the image was a throwback to the days when African-Americans were referred to as monkeys.

Norman acknowledged the charged history of the "monkey" association, but said, "this is 2008. This is not 1941 in Alabama, so get over it."

His reception was warmer inside the bar. "I love you, Mike," said bartender Bonnie Reilly, throwing an arm around his shoulders.

Mulligan's has an interior design that is one part obnoxious bumper stickers, one part farm implements, and two parts weaponry. (Among the firearms on the walls is a vintage Thompson submachine gun.)

Norman fits the role of owner. His white beard is trimmed square just below his chin; a pair of wraparound shades sit atop his John Deere cap, a silver wristwatch adorns his massive sunburned forearm.

His clientele are the same type of folks that Norman grew up with in Clinton, Tenn. Norman came to Marietta in 1963 "to keep from going in a coal mine."

Norman sold tires and batteries at the Sears in Marietta, then bought Mulligan's in 1992 because "I'd always wanted to."

The publishing company that owns the rights to the Curious George image is not amused. It says it is considering legal action to stop the sale of the T-shirts.

"We find it offensive and obviously utterly out of keeping with the values Curious George represents," said Rick Blake, a spokesman for Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.

But Norman said the caricature on the shirts, which were a gift from a customer he won't name, has been altered to avoid license infringement.

Also, he's sold out. Will he order more? "I don't know if I want to mess with it," he said. "I'm not in the T-shirt business."

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Ms.Martin — Thu, 15 May 2008 09:13:00 -0000

I think the company will ask him to stop producing the shirt with their image and he will comply.