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The speed with which she shot down a ' Dream Ticket' was so funny I had to rewind it several times.
Loved that The Democrats Have a Nominee story - it really kinds of sums it up.
Though the part about former nominees worries me a bit.
OT: What do think about Rev. Wright agreeing to be interviewed? I think it's a bad idea and I'm kinda pissed off with Wright. He knows the media will have a field day splicing and dicing his comments. And given that the media is on their "Is Race A Factor" kick, this interview comes at a bad time.
This isn't petty reflexiveness. We have a long list of reasons (for starters, check out the wiki).
When will black pride ever be a legitimate political issue? If blue collars can base their votes on beer and bowling, I sure as hell can withold my vote from politicians who throw my people under the bus for political gain.
It's an electability argument. The black electorate is REJECTING Hillary Clinton. The progressive community as well. We're those pesky "activists" Clinton complains about all the time.
It's gonna take more than Clyburn to get the message accross. See, this would actually be a good time for the black intelligencia. Dr. Cornel West, Michael E. Dyson. . . all of those people who make a living off of explaining black folk. Well, here's your chance to earn your pay check.
Unfortunately, however, I've been very disappointed with people like West and Dyson and their inability to speak truth to power when that "power" goes by the name of "Clinton" or has a (D) at the end of his or her name.
This is not a civil debate. It stopped being that a long time ago. And I'm tired of seeing Mr. and Mrs. Dyson go from talk show to talk show portraying a lie that blacks are somehow torn between Obama and Clinton. We're NOT! Marcia Dyson is an apologist. Just like Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Bob Johnson, Tavis Smiley and a list of others who put personal loyalty before cultural pride. Dyson's silence is damning, and makes him no better.
You don't have to support Obama just because you're black. I'm not saying that. But I certainly do expect high profile blacks in media and politics to defend the black community when racial politics is at play.
If you'd march against against Trent Lott, you'd BETTER be just as willing to battle the Clintons (or any other Democrat) when they pull the same type of stunts.
Until then. I place all of Hillary's black apologists in the SAME category as Larry Elders and Armstrong Williams. There is no difference. Larry Elders is a mouthpiece for the RNC. . . Tubbs-Jones is a mouthpiece for the DNC. NEITHER speaks for the black community. Cut from the same dependent mentality. They speak for Massa Bush and Massa Clinton. They don't want respect. They want a pat on the head.
Hillary's famed blue collar vote has come at the expense of the Democratic base. Her blue collar vote is fickle. It elected George W. Bush and Reagan.
Yet she puts her faith in them while turning her back on the people that got her there. That blue collar vote is just as likely to vote Republican in the Fall anyways. They're not a given.
Indeed, a Hillary nomination would shift the Democratic Party to the right (forget the center). Her leadership would place Democrats more in line with Joe Lieberman, where politicians boast their "real American" bona fides by trying their best to be Republican-lite. Open your eyes, people. Hillary's biggest defenders are Joe Scarborough, Pat Buchanan and Fox News! She is NOT a Democrat.
The media talks about Obama's trouble with the blue collar white vote? Well, Hillary has LOST the black vote.
Clyburn's a good start. But it can't stop there. And it can't be seen as just a "black" thing.
I agree. Rev. Wright's timing is highly suspect.
I've said it in other threads on this subject. I acknowledge that he is his own man. He has every right to defend himself. That's not Obama's right, that's Wright's right.
Still, if you're Rev. Wright, why even trust the media to begin with. OF COURSE shows like Morning Joe are continuing to twist his words. What did people expect?
You can take on the battle. But at least be prepared for the fight.
And there are OTHER people who can take on this fight for Wright. A couple weeks ago, I saw a stage full of churches (black and WHITE) hold a news conference to say that they were prepared to defend Wright and his church.
Let's here from them (especially the white clergy).
Remember when Bill planted that seed in NC weeks ago when he said if his wife and McCain are the nominees we wouldn't have to worry about "all this other stuff that intrudes on our politics."
Clyburn said he would keep his mouth closed till this was over, but he didn't. I don't trust him. He's also putting race front and center in the campaign.
It's like a perfect storm.
Wright, Clyburn, uppity negroes, Obama can't win white ethnics, North Carolina with its Jesse Helms legacy.
I don't like it.
However, it might all backfire and Obama will emerge even stronger.
I honestly believe a big part of the electorate gets it this time. They see what's happening and it may make turnout even bigger in the remaining states, Obama's margins of victory even bigger.
We'll see.
The Obama camp and its mindless, racist followers in black community are the ones who had deliberately and overtly injected race into the campaign LONGGGG before SC, starting with Iowa, when everybody surrounding Obama and his/her uncle was, ironically, accusing Bill Clinton of "playing the race card" because he DARED to call The Holy One....hold your breath...this is truly shocking... a "kid" and his voting record on Iraq a "fairy tale". Oh my!!! What terrible and horribly RACIST comments. Let me guess. Those are code words that only blacks (or would it be racist whites?) know about. He was using racist code words!!!!
LOL
Tell us again what those comments have to do with "race"? Right. Absolutely nothing. Yet, there it was. Obama and company playing the race card....A card that was ready and waiting to be played at the very first criticism of Obama...and, as we now know, a card used quickly and often as the campaign unfolded any time anyone so much as looked sideways at Obama.
Clyburn denounces Clinton. Too f_ing funny.
BTW, the laughable excuse that blacks are voting nearly 100% for the black guy because of Clinton's remarks is hysterical. Blacks were voting 85% to 95% in favor of Obama in state after state long before big, bad Bill made his oh-so-egregious "Jesse Jackson" comment - A remark made, incidentally, the day AFTER 90% of blacks had voted for Obama in SC.
And I wonder how many people in the media will obsess over whether Hillary could win the black vote in the general election, a vote without which no Democrat can win.
That's the main question they should be asking. Analysis by outlets such as the NYTimes shows that Obama will do quite well in a general election with working class whites.
More and more I realize how the media lets us all down time and time again, and fails in its basic mission. No wonder why as a business they are failing.
I agree about Wright allowing others in the religious community to defend him. He can't defend himself effectively now, things are too volatile. I also agree re Clyburn. None of this feels good to me. Obama has already won - based on the numbers - yet there is delay in declaring him the winner, fanning the flames of racial tension.
I'm gonna play devil's advocate and say that the media obsession with Wright is such that even if he kept a low profile between now and November, they would still keep him front and center and twist his words and what he's about. At least he gets to tell his side of the story and Bill Moyers is not like these other knuckleheads, I'm sure his questions were fair and objective.
Completely OT: If any of you were following the Sean Bell shooting case in NYC, the cops were just acquitted. Sigh.
Larry King Pelosi interview video p2
B-Serious: I agree. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Roland Martin got into hot water with a caller on Al Sharpton's show because Martin said that Rev. Wright should've given his first interview to the black press.
The assumption of Black people voting for Obama "just because of his race is stupid." They didn't do it for Jesse Jackson, why do it now? Oh yes, Obama has a leadership style and VISION that other candidates (including Jesse J) haven't ever shown.
Black folks voted en masse for Bill Clinton TWICE and no one thought it was a bad thing. The idea that Black people are voting for Obama is killing the supposed "color blind" racists. You hate it so much you are inspired to post stupid comments like the ones above ANON. Get over yourself. This Puerto Rican is voting for Obama because of the content of his character and not for the color of his skin. If you can find no value in his character indicates your racism has blinded your sensibilities.
Of course, Wright better not say anything damning, pun intended.
The one thing that hopefully will come out of this is blacks will now stop taking the DNC and people like Hill/Billy as allies, when they are nothing but the problem.
While the media is dissecting the demographics, for some reason they keep leaving one verrrrry important statistic out of their breakdown. The Major Fact Is.....BILLARY HAS ALIENATED AND LOST THE ENTIRE BLACK VOTE ! Where's THAT fact ? And they have the gall to think that they can claim her to be more electable to superdelegates.......with close to zero black support !!! Hillary Clinton is the first democratic presidential nominee in modern day history to lose the entire black vote ! That, too, is a fact !
It is time for EVERYONE to contact the DNC and every superdelegate and remind them that due to her own actions HILLARY HAS LOST THE ENTIRE BLACK VOTE ! SPEAK OUT !!!!
Call The DNC TODAY at 202-863-8000 or contact them at Democrats.org.
This is in no way meant to be racial. We are all in this together....blacks, whites, young, old, rich and poor......working together for a better America. But the fact that Hillary Clinton (wife of 'The First Black President', who started this campaign with 82% of the black support) has lost the support of an entire race of people....is not only pitiful.....but should be made....a very well known FACT !
Visit: Blacks4Barack.org
(A Multi-Racial Organization...Dedicated To Truth !)
SHARE THIS EVERYWHERE !
I'm very curious as to what percent of blacks would vote for Clinton if she is the nominee. Why are there no polls on this?
They are doing this for all the above
mentioned reasons. The other 35% said NOT under any circumstance. Hillary understands this that is why she feels comfortable with her racial politics.
As long as they take this vote for granted, the Clintons and their kind will do whatever they want.
Today Hillary told an audience that they can vote for or against anyone based on any reason they choose. That was code language that it's OK to vote racist.
The Democratic party must be purged of the Clintons. Only then will there be progress. Otherwise we really have 2 Republican parties.
She is still a Goldwater girl, and, since he in old age found a way to accept everyone except blacks, I guess she is still deep down a Republican.
And, she does not have two black votes from this address, if she steals the nomimation, I'll vote for McCain, at least his party is upfront about thier disdain for the black voter.
I don't know what Clyburn is doing. He told Olbermann that blacks were upset and believed Hillary was trying to damage him - which is true, but he also said that he didn't believe that was the case.
I don't trust this at all. Seems like an attempt as with Bob Johnson, to bring race up again.
I think Clyburn believes it also, but just can't say so b/c he wants to appear neutral. Remember, he said this thing was happening back in January & still is! I don't think he would have come out about it unless he believed it himself! He looked disturbed about it to me!
Just saying!
I said it before and I mean it again: if you can fatigue the nation with race, there will be a backlash among the white electorate to take the issue completely off the table.
That's what this perfect storm is all about.
Wright does a press conference in D.C. on Monday. Let's see what happens after that.
I watched it again last night after the Wright interview and remain stunned by both its insight and its uselessness.
You're absolutely right, Craig. I've said the same thing.
When the white electorate's discomfort with the whole "race thing" reaches a point of resentment, they're going to want to blame *somebody*.
Based on conditioning alone, most of them will blame Barack for their discomfort.