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Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

Ronnie B — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:35:00 -0000

I said it before and I mean it again: if you can fatigue the nation with race, there will be a backlash among the white electorate to take the issue completely off the table.

You're absolutely right, Craig. I've said the same thing.

When the white electorate's discomfort with the whole "race thing" reaches a point of resentment, they're going to want to blame *somebody*.

Based on conditioning alone, most of them will blame Barack for their discomfort.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

Craig Hickman — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:22:00 -0000

It seems that A More Perfect Union was delivered in another year.

I watched it again last night after the Wright interview and remain stunned by both its insight and its uselessness.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

Craig Hickman — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:20:00 -0000

ms.martin, I agree with you.

I said it before and I mean it again: if you can fatigue the nation with race, there will be a backlash among the white electorate to take the issue completely off the table.

That's what this perfect storm is all about.

Wright does a press conference in D.C. on Monday. Let's see what happens after that.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

Anonymous — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:34:00 -0000

As a white American, I have felt that the Black community has been taken advantage of for a LONG LONG time by a lot of politicians...But, Bill Clinton's statement were not by accident or "mis-understood"... he was counting on stoking the flames of whites to get Obama pigeoned holed as "just another black candidate".. his point was to turn up the white vote and ASSUMED he/she wouldn't lose TOO many blacks.... He probably polled the comments..... But remember, he is a smart guy and he knows exactly what he is saying and how it will be taken.... Basically, he thought he could say anything and get away with it... that the Black Community would never tire of him.... Welcome to the 21st Century Mr Clinton...

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

justice58 — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:16:00 -0000

MS.Martin,

I think Clyburn believes it also, but just can't say so b/c he wants to appear neutral. Remember, he said this thing was happening back in January & still is! I don't think he would have come out about it unless he believed it himself! He looked disturbed about it to me!

Just saying!

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

Ms.Martin — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:32:00 -0000

Hickman

I don't know what Clyburn is doing. He told Olbermann that blacks were upset and believed Hillary was trying to damage him - which is true, but he also said that he didn't believe that was the case.

I don't trust this at all. Seems like an attempt as with Bob Johnson, to bring race up again.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:08:00 -0000

She just keeps on keeping the race baiting for votes alive, and, any black person who votes for her is a fool, sorry to be so blunt, but, she has made it clear, she like Bush don't like black people, all she wants is what she feels is hers, her sense of total entitlement is a disgrace, but, after hearing her and her man with that huge deck of fear the black man cards, it isn't big a surprise.

She is still a Goldwater girl, and, since he in old age found a way to accept everyone except blacks, I guess she is still deep down a Republican.

And, she does not have two black votes from this address, if she steals the nomimation, I'll vote for McCain, at least his party is upfront about thier disdain for the black voter.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:23:00 -0000

I think only be sending a message that the black community will not vote for Hillary under any circumstances will we be heard.

As long as they take this vote for granted, the Clintons and their kind will do whatever they want.

Today Hillary told an audience that they can vote for or against anyone based on any reason they choose. That was code language that it's OK to vote racist.

The Democratic party must be purged of the Clintons. Only then will there be progress. Otherwise we really have 2 Republican parties.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

jelana — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:48:00 -0000

Tom Joyner on blackamericaweb.com took a poll and 65% said they would hold their noses and vote for her.
They are doing this for all the above

mentioned reasons. The other 35% said NOT under any circumstance. Hillary understands this that is why she feels comfortable with her racial politics.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:22:00 -0000

to the above poster, I don't think the party elites, or rank-and-file white Democrats really believe that blacks will not vote for Clinton in the general. They probably think that Clinton would garner about 70, maybe 80 percent of black voters. Without a precedent for sitting elections out, they think that dislike for Republicans and Katrina, Supreme Court, etc., will be enough for black people to be convinced to vote for Mrs. Clinton.
I'm very curious as to what percent of blacks would vote for Clinton if she is the nominee. Why are there no polls on this?

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:06:00 -0000

From Blacks4Barack...CALL DNC TODAY !!! Stress THE FACT !! Clinton Has Lost ENTIRE BLACK VOTE !

While the media is dissecting the demographics, for some reason they keep leaving one verrrrry important statistic out of their breakdown. The Major Fact Is.....BILLARY HAS ALIENATED AND LOST THE ENTIRE BLACK VOTE ! Where's THAT fact ? And they have the gall to think that they can claim her to be more electable to superdelegates.......with close to zero black support !!! Hillary Clinton is the first democratic presidential nominee in modern day history to lose the entire black vote ! That, too, is a fact !

It is time for EVERYONE to contact the DNC and every superdelegate and remind them that due to her own actions HILLARY HAS LOST THE ENTIRE BLACK VOTE ! SPEAK OUT !!!!

Call The DNC TODAY at 202-863-8000 or contact them at Democrats.org.

This is in no way meant to be racial. We are all in this together....blacks, whites, young, old, rich and poor......working together for a better America. But the fact that Hillary Clinton (wife of 'The First Black President', who started this campaign with 82% of the black support) has lost the support of an entire race of people....is not only pitiful.....but should be made....a very well known FACT !

Visit: Blacks4Barack.org

(A Multi-Racial Organization...Dedicated To Truth !)

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Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:29:00 -0000

Rev Wright just keeps on putting his hoof in his mouth, why can't he just SHUT up. Is he really that clueless as to not realize he has done mroe damage to Obama than anyone elese, inculding Hill/Billy and the race deck they keep playing from? And, why is it that no one is calling out all the "whitre" voters who are voting on race and not issues, oh yeah, they can do that.

The one thing that hopefully will come out of this is blacks will now stop taking the DNC and people like Hill/Billy as allies, when they are nothing but the problem.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

renee — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:45:00 -0000

I abosutely agree with Evita regarding asking whites if their voting for McCain/Clinton because their white. It infuriates me when whites assume blacks will vote for Obama because he is! They are basically saying we are too stupid to know the issues, cant see past our infinity for one another to make an intelligent decision. They have always had that choice! They only had to choose which party.They act as though their race is the purveyor of all that is right(white),the very same people who conquered, enslaved and damned near oblirated a race of people and spread racism across this globe.They are a bunch of hypocrites, especially democrats,yeah it was all good when Obama launched his campaign."Oh, isnt that cute?" they said, until it started getting hot in "herre",now you're seeing their true colors. And it aint pretty...if it wasnt so damn sad, it'd be funny. If she wins the nomination, there is no way in hell I would vote for her.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

heartsandflowers — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:59:00 -0000

Can we stop calling it MSM? It's not main stream media it is and has always been white supremacist marketing tool. There were alternatives and the 'free' press, but they are controlled by 4-5 conglomerates and offer a very controlled and limited view. Why isn't there a cable news show with a truly balanced host who's not white and male? We are the real media. And we need to start seriously strategizing about taking this up a notch. I look at gossip blogger Perez Hilton who in 3 years has moved into television and now is getting a radio show. Yes it's about fluff and he's annoying at times but I am impressed with his hustling skills. We could pool our resources, buy a small tv station or radio station or SOMETHING. And we need to stop funding companies that put out negative images of Black people, particularly Black women and girls because it is ridiculous. If the minds of our children are poisoned we will have lost an entire generation. It won't matter who's POTUS.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

Craig Hickman — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:45:00 -0000

Wright gets to show another side of himself. That can't be a bad thing. The MSM is going to do what the MSM is going to do. But for the electorate that can see past all its noise, seeing Wright in a friendly interview can actually help.

Of course, Wright better not say anything damning, pun intended.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

evita — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:52:00 -0000

I think it would be "refreshing" to ask white people if they voted for Hillary because she is white...

The assumption of Black people voting for Obama "just because of his race is stupid." They didn't do it for Jesse Jackson, why do it now? Oh yes, Obama has a leadership style and VISION that other candidates (including Jesse J) haven't ever shown.

Black folks voted en masse for Bill Clinton TWICE and no one thought it was a bad thing. The idea that Black people are voting for Obama is killing the supposed "color blind" racists. You hate it so much you are inspired to post stupid comments like the ones above ANON. Get over yourself. This Puerto Rican is voting for Obama because of the content of his character and not for the color of his skin. If you can find no value in his character indicates your racism has blinded your sensibilities.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

The Bag of Health and Politics — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:57:00 -0000

He shouldn't endorse Obama. His words have more power coming from an undeclared position. I think we all know he voted for Obama though, and will vote for Obama in Denver.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

Sepia — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:13:00 -0000

Kitty: I hear you. But it's not Bill Moyers I don't trust. The PBS political pundits are covering this race the way it should be covered. What I don't trust is what the MSM will do with this interview. In fact, they've already started with the excerpts that were released, saying that Wright was subliminally saying Obama really shares his beliefs but is only saying what he has to say because he's a politician.

B-Serious: I agree. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

Roland Martin got into hot water with a caller on Al Sharpton's show because Martin said that Rev. Wright should've given his first interview to the black press.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

TruthSeeker — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:52:00 -0000

Larry King Pelosi interview video p1

Larry King Pelosi interview video p2

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

Kitty — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:50:00 -0000

OT: What do think about Rev. Wright agreeing to be interviewed? I think it's a bad idea and I'm kinda pissed off with Wright. He knows the media will have a field day splicing and dicing his comments. And given that the media is on their "Is Race A Factor" kick, this interview comes at a bad time.

I'm gonna play devil's advocate and say that the media obsession with Wright is such that even if he kept a low profile between now and November, they would still keep him front and center and twist his words and what he's about. At least he gets to tell his side of the story and Bill Moyers is not like these other knuckleheads, I'm sure his questions were fair and objective.

Completely OT: If any of you were following the Sean Bell shooting case in NYC, the cops were just acquitted. Sigh.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

TruthSeeker — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:47:00 -0000

b-serious,

I agree about Wright allowing others in the religious community to defend him. He can't defend himself effectively now, things are too volatile. I also agree re Clyburn. None of this feels good to me. Obama has already won - based on the numbers - yet there is delay in declaring him the winner, fanning the flames of racial tension.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:11:00 -0000

Of course Clyburn is right; I wonder how many people in the media will report this with any degree of fairness.

And I wonder how many people in the media will obsess over whether Hillary could win the black vote in the general election, a vote without which no Democrat can win.

That's the main question they should be asking. Analysis by outlets such as the NYTimes shows that Obama will do quite well in a general election with working class whites.

More and more I realize how the media lets us all down time and time again, and fails in its basic mission. No wonder why as a business they are failing.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:57:00 -0000

What a joke.
The Obama camp and its mindless, racist followers in black community are the ones who had deliberately and overtly injected race into the campaign LONGGGG before SC, starting with Iowa, when everybody surrounding Obama and his/her uncle was, ironically, accusing Bill Clinton of "playing the race card" because he DARED to call The Holy One....hold your breath...this is truly shocking... a "kid" and his voting record on Iraq a "fairy tale". Oh my!!! What terrible and horribly RACIST comments. Let me guess. Those are code words that only blacks (or would it be racist whites?) know about. He was using racist code words!!!!

LOL

Tell us again what those comments have to do with "race"? Right. Absolutely nothing. Yet, there it was. Obama and company playing the race card....A card that was ready and waiting to be played at the very first criticism of Obama...and, as we now know, a card used quickly and often as the campaign unfolded any time anyone so much as looked sideways at Obama.

Clyburn denounces Clinton. Too f_ing funny.

BTW, the laughable excuse that blacks are voting nearly 100% for the black guy because of Clinton's remarks is hysterical. Blacks were voting 85% to 95% in favor of Obama in state after state long before big, bad Bill made his oh-so-egregious "Jesse Jackson" comment - A remark made, incidentally, the day AFTER 90% of blacks had voted for Obama in SC.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

Craig Hickman — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:57:00 -0000

The intent is to fatigue the nation with the issue of race and then the electorate will reject Obama.

Remember when Bill planted that seed in NC weeks ago when he said if his wife and McCain are the nominees we wouldn't have to worry about "all this other stuff that intrudes on our politics."

Clyburn said he would keep his mouth closed till this was over, but he didn't. I don't trust him. He's also putting race front and center in the campaign.

It's like a perfect storm.

Wright, Clyburn, uppity negroes, Obama can't win white ethnics, North Carolina with its Jesse Helms legacy.

I don't like it.

However, it might all backfire and Obama will emerge even stronger.

I honestly believe a big part of the electorate gets it this time. They see what's happening and it may make turnout even bigger in the remaining states, Obama's margins of victory even bigger.

We'll see.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

B-Serious — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:21:00 -0000

@ sepia,

I agree. Rev. Wright's timing is highly suspect.

I've said it in other threads on this subject. I acknowledge that he is his own man. He has every right to defend himself. That's not Obama's right, that's Wright's right.

Still, if you're Rev. Wright, why even trust the media to begin with. OF COURSE shows like Morning Joe are continuing to twist his words. What did people expect?

You can take on the battle. But at least be prepared for the fight.

And there are OTHER people who can take on this fight for Wright. A couple weeks ago, I saw a stage full of churches (black and WHITE) hold a news conference to say that they were prepared to defend Wright and his church.

Let's here from them (especially the white clergy).