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Until Clyburn and Brazile move towards the nominee who is winning this thing in every possible category, I have to lump them with Tubbs-Joneses and Lee-jacksons!
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I have to disagree with you. There is no way that I put Clyburn in with Tubbs-Jones.
I don't thank you often enough, but I do appreciate you trying to spread the word and inform..I see you everywhere..LOL
Okay, maybe not Tubbs-Jones, but his neutrality in spite of his warnings about race, is sort of an endorsement for Clinton in my opinion
I don't doubt for a minute that Clyburn is going to cast his lot with Obama. From the moment he opened his mouth in South Carolina, I've felt that.
Clyburn is NO Willie Brown or Dark Sith Ford.
I hope you're right.
Clyburn is the elder of the CBC so I'm sure the big whigs definitely didn't want him to actively campaign for OBAMA, 'cause I'm sure he could have kept other CBC members in line and that of course would have made it difficult for Clinton's surrogates to do their shilling.
But Clyburn is the most un-neutral (is that a word?) neutral superdelegate I've seen. Where he stands is clear. He's just not actively campaigning.
Noone in the party can in any way say that they put their personal preference or some sort of political chicanery above their duties to both the Democratic Party or to their own stated principles.
To see them now be able to fully confirm what they have plainly wished for and to do so with no reservation or pandering whatsoever, bless them both and I just wish that there were fifty more like them.
I don't buy it.
My husband and I see this as an added investment toward the future of our country.
what's the lay of the land in KY with regard to the Obama Hillary split?
We know Carter, Clyburn and Brazille are not-so-secret Obama supporters. We're going to need them to reel in the wayward children and make them play nice. Or kick the behinds of the ones who won't!
thanks again for volunteering that way. As someone who stayed with a volunteer, I appreciate anyone opening up their home like this.
"getting worried about the whites , the hard working whites of w.va. and ky. wolf blitzer was starting to get warmed up to their potential to cause trouble last night. just how bad is it going to be? i am worried."
I here ya. That latest poll said Hillary's up by 40% with about 10 or 11% undecided (keep in mind, undecideds tend to break for Clinton).
That's why all this "give her space" talk is crazy.
Look, WV and KY won't have much impact on the math. But Hillary's not looking for a win. . . she's looking to run up the score as high as she can. She's counting on a switch in media narratives once they see her win by an absurd amount (a crazy amount if we are to believe the polls) in WV and KY.
So. . . while Obama plays nice and gives Hillary her "space," she and Bill go around WV playing the race card, trashing Obama's health and economic plans and doing everything in their power to embarass Obama on Tuesday night.
That's what they want. They want 2 straight hours of election coverage where Pat Buchanan, Karl Rove, Joe Scarborough and the like gleefully assess the wreckage.
You can see it now,
Pat Buchanan: "A presumptive nominee for the presidency shouldn't get beat by 35%. Obama's got major problems."
Joe Scarborough: "We're getting a glimpse of Obama's rift with blue collar Americans. I don't know how you sell this to the super delegates. This is Hillary's best hope (points to 5 cherry-picked polls that show Hillary winning in several swing states like OH, PA, and FL)."
News headlines the next morning: "Why Can't He Close the Deal."
Terry McCauliffe and Howard Wolfson: "This is proof that Hillary is the stronger candidate. She has a larger base." (Adding any other talking point that hints: "White people won't vote for the black guy and WV is further proof of that.")
Now, there's nothing new about those WV polls. And Kentucky is going to be bad as well. Obama has known this for some time.
So Obama had BETTER have a plan going into those two states.
Because Hillary is getting ready to pimp slap him on national television. And it's going to be the media's decision as to whether or not they change narratives and give Hillary new life.
I don't trust the media. . . they'll go with the "Hillary as 'comeback kid,' narrative in a heartbeat.
Now, here's my question: What if Obama's numbers start slipping in Oregon as a result? Suddenly Obama's May 20th victory speech gets put on hold. And Hillary gains momentum. That means more spin, more division and a bigger headache for Obama.
That's why Obama needs to end this thing as soon as possible! Forget all this "give her space" talk!
Doesn't Oregon vote by mail? From what I've read, possibly most people in Oregon have already sent in their ballots...and probably voted based on the influence of the current narrative: Obama's visit to the Hill, the media saying it's over etc. They might not wait for WV or KY to vote before they cast their votes.
Maybe Obama's got something stealthy planned for WV & KY. I hope so, Lanny was looking way too smug on Larry King last night.
Hell, the best we could hope for at this point is that Obama keeps a "name" super in his pocket until Tuesday or Wed to regain any momentum lost.
I haven't bothered to look it up, but I don't believe the Dems have actually won WV in the last 3 Presidential cycles, have they?
I predict that we won't hear another SuperDelegate announcement from Obama on Monday or Tuesday.
I do believe we'll hear about fundraising and dropping of more SuperDelegates on Wednesday.
You're correct. Oregon is a mail-in ballot. But Hillary was in Oregon yesterday urging people to wait a little longer before they mail it in. Some will listen, some won't.
I understand what you're saying.
Trust. I know this thing is over. She's not going to catch him. I don't care how well she does in WV and/or KY. The math just isn't there for her.
But I'm not sure if Obama's even campaigning in WV. Why make it so easy for Clinton in the first place?
For me, the bottom line is this: The media has just as much control over this nomination as any primary or caucus.
I know he's a rock star again. But trust. . . the media is NOT his friend. And neither are those spineless uncommitted super delegates. All of them are bandwagon jumpers, devoid of principle and integrity -- consumed by self-promotion and self-preservation.
The fact that super delegates continue to allow Obama to flail in the wind as Hillary, McCain and the RNC take turns smearing him is highly disturbing. In the past, the party has rallied quicker and stronger behind lesser men. What's with the delay?
The media is fickle. Again, despite the resurgent rock star treatment, the media is NOT Obama's friend. . . he's just the popular story for the moment.
The media doesn't care about process, rules, fairness or the Democratic Party. No, the media will focus on whatever gets high ratings.
Clinton knows this. And she knows that a 40+ loss for Obama is EMBARASSING. It threatens to undermine Obama's credibility as a viable candidate.
You and I both know that WV is one of 50 states. We know that WV only has 28 delegates. That's an honest, objective assessment.
But the media doesn't care about honesty. They care about ratings.
And Hillary's drama. . . her "comeback kid" narrative is good for ratings, despite how disingenous it might be.
This is not the time for Obama to let his guard down. This is the time for Obama to watch his back.
here is latest Rasmussen poll for Kentucky.
Rasmussen Reports
5/5/2008
N=800
w/o Gore
Hillary Clinton 56%
Barack Obama 31%
Unsure 13%
Source
Our Congressman, Ben Chandler, was criticized for endorsing Obama recently. Locals were calling the talk shows to say they will never support Chandler again!
Ms. Martin,
I have to disagree with you. There is no way that I put Clyburn in with Tubbs-Jones."
The only fair comparison to Stephanie Tubbs-Jones is Mammie from Gone with the Wind, and Kendrick Meeks is the slave we saw marching off to war for the confederacy.
They both signed that fuckin' 'George Wallace' inspired letter to super delegates contending that Hillary Clinton can take the Party back to its dixicrat roots.
On another note, my mother was from KY, she used to tell me there were way more Black folks in the small towns of KY than there were in OH where we were living at the time. I gather that is no longer true either.
Absolutely Obama needs to watch his back and I can't say it with any certainty but I think he will at least do a day in WV (maybe Monday) to see what he can do to close the gap.
But I also think he understand that there isn't much he can do about the news cycle post WV. He's going to lose it by a bunch either way. I still think his best move is to announce another 8 or 9 super post WV and remind folks that no matter what it is game, set and match March 20
as for coal, obama should make some environmental speech focusing on coal's global warming role. then he can blame the inevitable defeat on a principled stand. screw west virginia. i know kos doesn't like to talk that way but...clinton has dissed thirty states, we can diss one or two, no?
particularly if they deserve it.
Mr. Clyburn is acting as he should as one of the highest ranking African-Americans in the House Leadership, a position no other African-American has held. It gives him a unique and important role as power broker and elder statesman.
My respect for him has grown exponentially during the course of this election season. He has been a constant voice of reason, clarity and great judgement.
To lump in with with the likes of Stephanie Tubbs Jones and Sheila Jackson-Lee is a travesty. He has more honor and integrity in his little finger than those two have combined.
Obama demonstrates real-world analysis and action. He is actively campaigning for every vote possible. But, he WILL NOT WIN either state. That is the reality of it all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhuLhkyGdD0
Notice the kabuki being played out here? They both act as if Clinton only talked about white working class voters, and never used the phrase "hard working".
I'm an Obama supporter but I recognize that not ALL Black people are going to support him. Some might support Hillary and some might even support McCain. I'm open to discussing and debating the issues with other African Americans, but I'm concerned that we want "Blacks" to be of one mind only when it is convienant for us.
I can't speak for the others here and I don't dare try.
I don't expect others to be of my mindset and have expereienced ridicule at times, for being of a different mindset, however, in this case, the race-baiting and a clear disregard and disrespect for the African American race by Hillary Clinton's campaign should be enough to turn off any person regardless of their race.
As far as McCain, I can't respect or align with a party that does not acknowledge the problems facing the African American community.
I couldn't survive in that environment, and don't know how they do it. We are appalled at the race-baiting, yet they remain placid and tell us this is politics. This is something foul, really politics has to change.
Shortly after Obama loses West VA by 30 points (or more), John Edwards, Mr. Blue Collar White Male Populist, endorses the Black man, throwing a huge wrench into the empty MSM spin.
Y'all need to relax.
You're right. That would be the perfect time to make that Edwards endorsement.
And I still think Obama's got Al Gore waiting in the wings if he needs him. Although, at this point, poetry might see Obama use Gore's endorsement to symbolize the end of the Clinton era.
I'm keeping my cool. The math is the math (and that won't change after WV and KY). But I'd just like to see the supers move a little faster than they are.
Democrats rally behind the frontrunner all of the time. It just frustrates me that some want to see Obama jump through just one more hoop before they endorse. They can end this thing right now. It's time to move on.
"Under Clinton rules, Obama still wins"
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10247.html
DailyKos has Obama leading by 3.5 SuperDelegates. I just went to check.
If you're going to be for Hillpatine, then BE for Hillpatine. Don't pretend to be neutral, and then dog out Obama at every chance.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/primaries/2008_superdelegates.html
I hope I can find the time and courage to call WVA tomorow. I love it and miss it so much and get very emotional when I think about it. I dont want to be on the phone crying about how much I miss my grandparents, though I miss them everyday. I had such a positive and probably unusual experience there in (totally) rural W. Virginia. Lets not forget that WVA has it's share of AA dignitaries just like everywhere else; Tony Brown, TD Jakes, Booker T. Washington, Henry Louis Gates Jr, and many more....
I love the ad Obama is running there and I think it should be run nationally. I'm not sure what people's objections might be to it. I've heard some of my white co-workers say that he is trying to keep his white ancestry in the closet, and that he only promotes his Black ancestry when his daddy didn't even raise him. They don't know why, and think he is ashamed of his whiteness. America pretty much demands that a person pick which camp they're in, which is very much based on looks. You can be white if you look white, which is the case of some of my relatives. But if you look like you have any black in you, as in 1 drop, then you are treated accordingly. I guess it is easier for us to accept him in his ethnic/racial totality since we have a similar experience. I've never heard of a person being dead to their Black family for marrying outside of the race, but I've known quite a few biracial people who had no contact with their white or Asian relatives. I'm not sure why so many white people are in deep denial about this and other issues.
I read @ dailykos that the "Obama might pay off Hillbilly's debts" story might be a story circulated to kill his financial momentum. Its against the campaign finance laws. I understand that he wants to appear as a good guy and appease her more militant white female following, but I won't personally be contributing to that specific kitty. Let her pay for it. She is trying to RUIN his chances at winning so she can try again in 2012. There are many female politicians who are so much better than her in so many different ways. I hope she is finished for LIFE.
Craig, I agree that Obama is a brilliant strategist and that we all need to relax. But I'm not sure Edwards is going to commit for Obama at this time, if ever. I think I would also prefer that he not commit if it means that Liz (his wife) is going to commit to Hillbilly at the same time. At this writing, I think the most dangerous thing she (Hillbilly) can do is to announce her continuing campaign running as an independent. To me, that would be the only way Obama would lose the GE.
As far as the supers are concerned, I think it's easy for us to criticize and be dismissive about their unique, individual situations. Let's face it, they all want to keep their jobs, and their situations are very sensitive. My congressperson is flagrantly campaigning for clinton and I have to admit that I'm a little mad at her. I'm not prepared to write her any hate letters at this time. I have never donated to her campaign, but I'm considering donating to her opponent in the future, especially if I don't see her campaigning her ass off for Obama in the GE. I'm saying all this to say it isn't as cut and dried as we want it to be.
I wish there was a way to punish the MSM for their clear bias and discrimination. I swear that Pat Buchanan is MSNBC's resident klansman. I just can't take any more of his viagra induced racist invective. He was on this morning with Keith Boykin, who I love and miss as an MSNBC comentator. I have emailed them so many letters requesting his termination (Pat's), but I guess it's not going to happen. This past Friday's Morning Joe was the best I've ever seen (since joe's dumb self wasn't there). I wonder why Tiki Barber is willing to be their token Black? They treat him like the spook who sat by the door or something.
I don't know what your problem is, but I asked a serious question and was looking for an answer. I never said I was neutral. If I supported Hillary, I would have no prolem making my point known. If you really don't have anything to add to the discussion, why speak.
It's none of your business, but for record, I have been a financial contributer and supporter of Senator Obama since Feb 2007.