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Re: Jeremiah Wright On BIll Moyers

Craig Hickman — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:04:00 -0000

I encourage you to be more than a "fairweather" supporter and consider adopting the philosophy of Obama's campaign: BE HOPEFUL.

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webb, now you're making assumptions. If you think for a nanosecond that I wouldn't vote for Obama based upon what his pastor said and what the media is doing with the whole manufactured drama, then you are mistaken.

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rikyrah — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:32:00 -0000

anonymous,

it wasn't the speech. it was the Q&A; afterwards.

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Anonymous — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:00:00 -0000

Did you actually see the different speeches? I'm not even an Obama supporter and I didn't think Wright's speeches were that damaging.

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Big M — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:15:00 -0000

Can someone explain to me WHY Wright would do this to Obama? There are so many reasons that I just can't grasp.

1) He has a history with Obama. Baptized his kids. Married Barack and his wife. And Obama placed him on his spiritual committee.

2) For a pastor that seems to want to discuss race and the upwards mobility of black people, how is clowning around and popping up at different locations and, thus, hurting Barack's chances at the White House a positive for the upward mobility of black people?

3) While I have no doubt that his many members are committed to Jesus, I'd have to believe that many of his black followers are also Obama supporters (afterall, he does carry 90+ percent of the black vote.)

So again, even if Wright enjoys the spotlight and wants to promote his upcoming book, how does he figure this is GOOD for him, Barack, and the black race/church at large?

Re: Jeremiah Wright On BIll Moyers

TruthSeeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:09:00 -0000

Ha! I just figured it out...it has something to do with "handkerchief head"?

Roland and Eric looked really troubled; though, they still didn't want to throw away the Rev. they just looked really sad.

If indeed Wright's colleagues begged him not to go through with this to no avail; then Wright is on a search and destroy mission and cannot be reasoned with. It strikes me that Wright is not only angry at Obama but at the whole black community. He knows how much this nomination means to us.

There's a kind of mad dog quality to this that is similar to the Tavis episode. Tavis was on the radio ranting uncontrollably about Barack. These men can't seem to help themselves.

At first I was really angry, now I'm kinda sad.

Re: Jeremiah Wright On BIll Moyers

rikyrah — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:02:00 -0000

HHH=Handkerchief Head for Hillary

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Ms.Martin — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:46:00 -0000

Teacher

I don't know what HHH means either, that's rikyrah's comment.

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Teacher — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:39:00 -0000

Rikyrah, please cheer up. I think Obama is going to use this as an opportunity to show us, once again, what he is made of. He seems to really excell in times of adversity. David Gerkin suggested that Obama needs to get angry and show some fire, because americans like fighters. I agree. I hope he will show fire in the belly. I hope he will show that he wants the presidency as much as we want it for him.

I saw Roland, Faye, David & Ed on anderson Cooper, who at 1st fooled me into thinking he was liberated.

Ms. Martin, I don't know what an hhh is, but I'm going to surmise that it's unfavorable.

I'm looking at Larry King now. Lanny whatshisname sucks.

Roland kept talking about people who were close to Wright begging him not to do what he did, but Wright wouldn't listen. If I was his wife I'd be icing him like syberia. I like Eric M. Dyson, but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade. I don't get why his lovely wife, Marcia, supports Hillbilly. Weird. Good night.

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Angela — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:28:00 -0000

Sorry...I am just very frustrated.

I truly believe, that complaining about the way the media treats the Rev.Wright issue doesn't accomplish anything.

A book about Hillary's chosen religious affiliation is supposed to come out in May. I hope it comes out in early May so alot of us can read it.

In the meantime...educate yourselves on what is available via the Nation article and a Mother Jones article of 2007.

Please, don't just complain, activate and communicate with msm that you are aware of Hillary's questionable religious affiliations.

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Angela — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:22:00 -0000

I can't believe it.. you all are giving too much energy to the wrong things. Rev. Wright is a problem, yes, BUT, research Hillary's pastor and she has problems too!!!!

You have material to point out the hypocrisy of Hillary's bizarre prayer group which believes in praying for the "elites" of the world which she is considered one of (they believe they are more important than us everyday joe and janes). Talk about the ultimate irony of being an elitist!!!!!!!!!!! How sick is that and shouldn't Hillary's so called blue collar class voters know that she doesn't consider them as important as she is right from the get go...that they are only an instrument to her reaching her personal goals.

She will say or do anything!!

Re: Jeremiah Wright On BIll Moyers

Ms.Martin — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:00:00 -0000

Teacher

I couldn't believe Waddleton said that.

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rikyrah — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:54:00 -0000

Teacher,

Faye Wattleton is a HHH - period.

Hell, even Carol Simpson said it was Crabs-in-a-barrell tonight in the little I saw of Larry King.

Re: Jeremiah Wright On BIll Moyers

rikyrah — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:52:00 -0000

teacher,

which CNN program were they on? I missed Campbell Brown, but I am recording Larry King and Anderson Cooper.

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Ms.Martin — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:47:00 -0000

rikyrah

I know that was hard for you. I've been waiting to hear what you had to say all day.

Don't feel like the lone ranger. I've been fighting for Wright and thought he was doing okay until I heard the statements and saw the demeanor today.

He wanted to hurt Barack and what's really sad about it is that when white folks wanted him to turn on Wright he refused to it hurt him so he had to speak to the nation.

It was hard for me to admit to. I felt like he betrayed me too!

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Teacher — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:37:00 -0000

David Gergin played to "crabs in the barrel card," and Faye Waddleton stabbed him in the back suggesting that Wright is filling in the blanks of what "we" don't know about Obama. It looks like she's fallen for Hillbilly's Jedi mind tricks. Poor Roland is trying to let everyone save as little face, but his face is clearly as upset as it was this morning.

Truthseeker, thank you for your astute and insightful analysis on why the DNC wouldn't just hand the nomination to Hillbilly. Your ideas are totally logical and infused with HOPE.

Re: Jeremiah Wright On BIll Moyers

Anonymous — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:36:00 -0000

Implosion.
Unraveling.

Ugghhhhh...

Those are the words that come to mind.

Fear is that this gets worse before it gets (if it gets) better. I don't see anyone or anything stopping The Rev. Wright Tour Across America. It's all about him at this point. How many more national conferences on this or that is he going to be invited to speak at? He should be selling concert t-shirts.

Re: Jeremiah Wright On BIll Moyers

rikyrah — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:35:00 -0000

Wright broke my heart today at the National Press Club. He was 'clowning'. I could literally hear my heart tear into pieces with every question, because he did it on purpose. He's an old Black Man - he knew how White folk would spin it. He had gone 2 days without providing soundbites; so today he clowned, stabbed Obama in the heart, and everyone else who had defended him, and threw Obama under the bus. I'm so mad STILL.

I wrote passionately about why Obama couldn't disown Wright, when this first went down.

As my Mama said tonight, ' He clowned for them White people on purpose - to hurt Barack'. Indeed he did, Mama, which is why Obama needs to divorce himself from Wright IMMEDIATELY.

After Wright's performance today, Black folk shouldn't come down on Obama anymore. They would have when this first shook out because those were soundbite snippets.

Today was a full-on 'shock' performance of the highest order. And since we saw that he can do better (Moyers and the NAACP Dinner), what conclusion could one come to, other than this was done ON PURPOSE TO HURT OBAMA. He displayed Crab-in-a-barrell to the nth degree, and I am hurt as hell.

Re: Jeremiah Wright On BIll Moyers

Ms.Martin — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:31:00 -0000

Admiral Komack

Please elaborate - your thoughts on how this is a bigger problem?

Re: Jeremiah Wright On BIll Moyers

Admiral Komack — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:25:00 -0000

-Obama may have bigger problems than Wright.

The Austin American-Statesman:

NOOSE ALLEGEDLY FOUND AT SECRET SERVICE TRAINING CENTER

By Rebecca Carr | Monday, April 28, 2008, 03:03 PM

The U.S. Secret Service has placed a white agent on leave after an African American employee reported finding a noose hanging at the service’s main training facility outside the nation’s capital.

The service has acknowledged “an allegation of misconduct” at its J.J. Rowley Training Center in Beltsville, Md., and that an employee last week was placed on administrative leave pending the outcome of an investigation. The employee is a veteran agent with the service, according to fellow agents.

The noose was found by an African American officer in the uniform division of the service during the week of April 14, according to those familiar with the alleged incident. That division protects the White House and surrounding grounds. He reported the incident to his supervisor and it was sent up the chain of command. He declined to comment for this story.

After learning about the alleged incident, Cox Newspapers asked the Secret Service whether a noose had been discovered at the training center.

“In response to your question, there has been an allegation of misconduct at our training center,” said Edwin M. Donovan, assistant special agent in charge of government and public affairs.

“The employee involved has been placed on administrative leave pending an investigation by our Office of Professional Responsibility, which serves as the agency’s internal affairs office,” Donovan wrote in an e-mail response. “At the conclusion of the investigation, additional information may be available.”

The alleged incident happened as U.S. Magistrate Judge Deborah A. Robinson is expected to decide next month whether to sanction the service for failing to turn over evidence in a long-running lawsuit alleging that the service created a racially hostile atmosphere that tolerated discrimination.

The lawsuit, filed on behalf of Atlanta native Reginald G. Moore, alleges that the Secret Service routinely discriminates against black agents seeking promotion in favor of white agents who scored lower on promotional exams.

Nearly 60 black agents have submitted sworn statements to the court in support of the lawsuit’s allegations.

Robinson has already sanctioned the service three times since the discovery process of the lawsuit began 3 1/2 years ago.

The service denies the allegations and is now appealing all of the sanctions.

The Office of Professional Responsibility, previously called the inspection division, figured prominently during the discovery process of the lawsuit.

Carrie Hunnicutt, an inspector in charge of searching for documents sought in the lawsuit, testified in February that she destroyed original evidence sought by the plaintiffs by placing documents in a “burn bag” just two days before she was scheduled to testify in the case.

Justice Department lawyers defending the service have said that the destroyed documents should not be considered lost evidence because Hunnicutt transferred information from the documents to a computer database.

But lawyers at Hogan & Hartson and Relman & Dane, two Washington law firms representing the plaintiffs for free, contested that assertion, arguing that no one will ever know if the database is complete because the original evidence was destroyed by Hunnicutt.

The allegation that a noose was discovered supports the essence of the discrimination alleged in the lawsuit, said Jennifer Klar, a lawyer at Relman & Dane.

“We are appalled but unfortunately not surprised that a noose was prominently displayed recently in a secret service training center,” Klar said in an interview.

“This incident of racial hatred is troubling in an agency that has the important duty of protecting world leaders of all races, including our own leaders such as (presidential candidate) Barack Obama and (Secretary of State) Condoleezza Rice,” Klar said.

“This racist incident is a reminder that long time discrimination in the secret service has created an atmosphere where such hateful acts occur all too regularly,” Klar said.

“It is time for the Secret Service to put a stop to acts of racism by addressing and healing the racially charged environment that has been created over the years,” Klar said.

The Secret Service has fought the lawsuit each step since it was filed eight years ago.

“The Secret Service is extremely proud of the accomplishments of our diverse work force and our record on diversity,” said Eric Zahren, a spokesman for the service in an e-mail document defending the service from the accusations in the lawsuit.

“The Secret Service has not and will not tolerate discrimination of any kind,” Zahern said. “We are extremely proud of the contributions of our diverse work force and we will continue to promote the most qualified people.”

Moore, the lead plaintiff in the case who grew up in civil rights movement in Atlanta, was promoted after filing his lawsuit in 2000.

Moore is now in the service’s senior executive service. He has said that he will keep fighting until the service’s promotional system is permanently changed so that all agents of all colors have an equal chance at promotion.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/washington/secrecy/entries/2008/04/28/noose_allegedly_found_at_secre.html#comments

Re: Jeremiah Wright On BIll Moyers

Anonymous — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:21:00 -0000

I don't think Obama should address Wright's comments aboit being a politician. The MSM is looking for a Wright vs. Obama fight, and that would play directly into the their hands.

The best thing Obama could do is stay on message about what the voters want to hear. Challenge the media to cover issues that really matter instead of these sideshows. Truth be told, people don't care about Wright-gate. When O has town hall meetings with voters, people ask him questions about the economy, not Wright!

~ Sepia

Re: Jeremiah Wright On BIll Moyers

Steve LaBonne — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:16:00 -0000

bigassbelle: Exactly correct, one of the big takeaway MSM messages from all this hooha is going to be precisely to separate Obama much more clearly from Wright. That's why all the anguish over this is misplaced.

Meanwhile I will continue both to agree with about 90% of what Wright says and to be glad he's saying it. It's way past time for progressives to stand up and stop being intimidated. When we allow ourselves to be silenced, we've become part of the problem.

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Ms.Martin — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:09:00 -0000

Poor Soledad O'Brien, she's trying her hardest to keep this thing in perspective.

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Teacher — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:06:00 -0000

Steve Labonne, Wright was speaking bull to shit. I hope he has someone in his life who can/will be honest with him and tell him he is in the wrong.The whole nation is mystified as to what happened. We all smell a huge, egomaniacle rat. I wish Obama would do what Hucabee suggested and go join a new church and introduce his new pastor. What about that Father Fleger?...I'm not sure about the spelling of his name, but he layed it down last week in a faux news interview.I would attend his church, and he really seemed like a sincere, godly man.

There is nothing wrong with a Black liberation theology per se, depending on if it leads one to love or hate or....To me, all paths need to lead to love. Doruba bin Wahad used to say, "Power to the people. Black power to black people, white power to white people, red power to red people, brown power to brown people, yellow power to yellow people." I believe this with every cell in my body, and I think Obama thinks like I think. Thats why I really want him to be our president.I believe he is going to be President, and I'm going to keep hope alive!!!!

Andyfrombrooklyn, I also have a head cold, so I hope you get well soon.They are trying to destroy him, but I believe in his rightousness and I believe he will prevail. He might not want to, because I'm sure the state of the nation is faaaaaarrr worse than any of us can fanthom.Bush has raided the treasury and we probably can't afford anything.

McCain's wife is such a Stepford person. Lord, please don't let anymore crazy people win the presidency.

I'm watching Anderson Cooper, but I'm going to have to turn him off. I can tell.

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Ms.Martin — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:06:00 -0000

Truthseeker

I hope you're right. I don't want to think about how that would make me and millions feel.

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TruthSeeker — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:03:00 -0000

jj & ms.martin,

That would be pretty ugly. For party leadership to drag the primary through 50 states while Obama supporters do the heavy lifting of registration and phonebanking - let them build a strong grassroots framework for the party. At the same time, Hillary divides and tears down any goodwill between races. She skips states, saying they're not important. Doesn't focus on registering or building the party. Insults the activist base. To give the nomination to Hillary who then benefits from the hard work of The O campaign and it's supporters....that would be madness!

I think there would be a dramatic reversal within the Dem party.